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Sarouan wrote:

 sukura636 wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
...But I feel mantic couldn’t really spend big bucks on this range, as they are realistic enough to know 90% of players do, and will continue to use GW shaven for this army...

I feel like I'm in some kind of weird information vacuum here. This launch is objectively larger than any from this edition, even discounting the sci-fi ports, yet people keep saying Mantic isn't doing much.

Certainly because the whole list isn't released yet, just a part of it. It's like seeing the whole picture of full releases of Northern Alliance before they were all out and saying it's the biggest release yet. At that game, I can also say the elves releases are the biggest as well.

Also, the brute enforcer comes from League of Infamy, it's not a new miniature.

That looks like two different models to me. A repose, sure, but it's still putting two different miniatures into production.

EDIT: also, in terms of the 'game'. There's only one confirmed elf release we've seen. Feel free to post your list of more releases than this current ratkin one to prove me wrong.

 sukura636 wrote:


EDIT: also, in terms of the 'game'. There's only one confirmed elf release we've seen. Feel free to post your list of more releases than this current ratkin one to prove me wrong.

Not one :



Those come also from League of Infamy. There are good chances that Mantic Games will release a version for KoW later, once they can. I would sure be happy to have these new elves replacing the old ones.

Besides, since time is irrelevant for you to determine what are truly new releases, then I choose the whole elf range from KoW. It was "new" at some time in the former years, after all.

No point to put a list when all the units from the said list aren't available yet.

Sarouan wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Any news on the release of the new drakon elf riders?

They're still working on delivering the League of Infamy pledges ATM, I don't expect we're getting early news before they sort it out.

Ok, thanks! I just figured I'd ask.

Sarouan wrote:

 sukura636 wrote:


EDIT: also, in terms of the 'game'. There's only one confirmed elf release we've seen. Feel free to post your list of more releases than this current ratkin one to prove me wrong.

Not one :



Those come also from League of Infamy. There are good chances that Mantic Games will release a version for KoW later, once they can. I would sure be happy to have these new elves replacing the old ones.

Besides, since time is irrelevant for you to determine what are truly new releases, then I choose the whole elf range from KoW. It was "new" at some time in the former years, after all.

No point to put a list when all the units from the said list aren't available yet.

Firstly, do you have images or some confirmation from Mantic that they will be releasing different versions from these elves to replace the existing ones. Anything at all? Because everything I've posted has been shown publicly. I do not believe Mantic has confirmed replacement elevs or shown anything outside of the LofI plastics or new Drakons, but feel free to prove me wrong.

So that's some sketchy logic on timing, but I'll remove the units that aren't on pre-order right now, or haven't just been released.

Clawshots Troop
Demonspawn
Vermintide
Warchief
Brute Enforcer
Scurriers Upgrade
Shock Troops Upgrade
Swarm Crier
Warlock
Hackpaws
Birthing Daughter

Sarouan wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
I feel like they really missed a trick here by not launching with really cool looking rat ogres. The sci fi ports are a let down.

Better to keep your expectations low with Mantic Games. It fits their budget for making new stuff, and sometimes you have a good surprise that way.

That's probably the best advice I've read so far. I think I let my expectations go up a bit higher than I should have.

Still disappointing that you have to look close and make sure you're not buying half-donkeyed ports of sci-fi sculpts (don't buy based off cell phone pics...), but it is true that there are gems to be had if you buy selectively.

Bit late, but for Armada, solo play rules https://www.dropbox.com/s/wabofozp0e197by/Armada-solo-rules.pdf?dl=0

Basicly for when the shutdowns prevents you from trying your new toys against humans, or to get get the core rules nailed down

Well I like the new Ratkin models.
The big beastie is cool.
And the Hackpaw riders suit those Fleabags

Pics:

The mawbeast is still so ugly that I can't consider any unit that is riding it. What a shame!

Those artillery are nice and GUO-rat looks cool. Though those spine-cone things on it look like derpy play dough bits stuck on.

I like the tanks and the artillery, depending on price, I might end up with a few. The maw-beasts are terrible.

 Da Boss wrote:
The mawbeast is still so ugly that I can't consider any unit that is riding it. What a shame!

On the other hand, it's thematic if it's ugly, since it's basically a goblin hound.

Yet, it's coherent with the rest of KoW's whole cartoonish design. And even I can say it's still an improvement from the old Mawbeast with their dislocated jaws.


The war machines have a very "first world war" vybe, to me. I'm not a fan, but it still passes to me.

The monster is nice...I mean, fearsome. Which means it does its job.

The mawbeast design just doesn't land for me. If it wants to be a wolf, it should look more wolfy, if it wants to be a squig, it should look more squiggy. Squigwolf is not something I can get behind.

That's a pretty cool tank thing

Squifwolf is the squiggiest Squig they could to without getting into trouble

for me it is neither ugly nor good, it is was it is and I am not a fan of Squigs either
both are beasts suited for Goblins that are cartoonish anyway thats it (and a wolf would be already to serious to be a real Goblin mount here)

not a friend of the WW1 theme as well but Mantic said very early on that the new Ratkin will follow that to give a Steampunk, Trenchwarfare vibe that is not there in the other ranges but fits how they see the Ratkin working in battle

but the tank still looks cool and one of the better bigger warmachines I have seen latley for fantasy rats

Smaller warmachines I like, the tank thing I can't get behind. The threads are too far for me. Put it on normal wheels and I could accept it maybe.

The Rat Unclean One is pretty cool. I like the Warmachines except the tank.

I really hate seeing the Maxim guns, I think they go beyond a Trench warfare vibe and take things into trench warfare.

I just find it weird that the only civilization on Mantica with the ability to machine steel into guns has to resort to ramshackle, kludgy versions of technology they themselves apparently invented.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I just find it weird that the only civilization on Mantica with the ability to machine steel into guns has to resort to ramshackle, kludgy versions of technology they themselves apparently invented.

Dwarfs have mecha and plenty of guns?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I just find it weird that the only civilization on Mantica with the ability to machine steel into guns has to resort to ramshackle, kludgy versions of technology they themselves apparently invented.

Dwarfs have mecha and plenty of guns?

Machine guns are a big step up in terms of technology though. Any faction having weapons that advanced would dominate Pannithor "The Last Samurai" style.
I assume they're not actually machine guns, but it does not sit well TBH.

Japan didn't have casual access to dragons, lightning spam or arks of the covenant tho.

You can argue immersion, but power level? Eh.

Well, there are flame thrower and rocket launchers in the game, and this thing looks like a machine gun but it does not mean it works like a modern one (same like an original Galting is different from a modern Mini-Gun as well as from a multi barrel flintlock)

And rats having machine guns in fantasy is nothing new
GW's Skaven have Gatling Guns for a very long time now, and no one really ever cared that with this guns they should dominate the world that was, as well as Age of Sigmar

Cant say Im a fan of Mantic stuff, but that Rat Unclean One looks like a sweet model.
If fact, if I met a living one in the models actual size I would be terrified, so it stands to reason, as a giant monster "in game"... pretty gruesome oponent.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Japan didn't have casual access to dragons, lightning spam or arks of the covenant tho.

You can argue immersion, but power level? Eh.

Fair point.

Bit jarring I suppose, but there are also armies still using chariots that haven't been wiped out on the other end of the spectrum.

 kodos wrote:
Well, there are flame thrower and rocket launchers in the game, and this thing looks like a machine gun but it does not mean it works like a modern one (same like an original Galting is different from a modern Mini-Gun as well as from a multi barrel flintlock)

And rats having machine guns in fantasy is nothing new
GW's Skaven have Gatling Guns for a very long time now, and no one really ever cared that with this guns they should dominate the world that was, as well as Age of Sigmar

I like the new models

Worth noting that the Skaven often use their best weapons on each other - not sure about their mantic equivalents?

There was a good discussion on real fantasy warfare in a D&D massed combat splatbook of all places, that claimed ranked combat would never have even evolved in a world where a dragon can roast 200 dudes in one go but trivial low level magic communication could allow modern military squad based formations easily. You know, if you wanted another level of realism that needs to be dismissed in orde to enjoy the setting Kinda like how cell phone use lagged like 10 years behind in detective movies because they coulnd't figure out how to write a story that wouldn't be ruined by instant communication and we just had to not think about it.

 kodos wrote:
Well, there are flame thrower and rocket launchers in the game, and this thing looks like a machine gun but it does not mean it works like a modern one (same like an original Galting is different from a modern Mini-Gun as well as from a multi barrel flintlock)

And rats having machine guns in fantasy is nothing new
GW's Skaven have Gatling Guns for a very long time now, and no one really ever cared that with this guns they should dominate the world that was, as well as Age of Sigmar

Skaven Gatling guns have a hand crank and are seriously unreliable. Plus you have the idea that Skaven would dominate the world if they stopped fighting among themselves.

I have been mulling over the question of 'whats the difference' in my head between a Fantasy Maxim gun and Fantasy Gatling gun and why I seriously dislike one, but not the other.

The Maxim gun (Gatling gun as well) were used against native populations as well as against other industrial powers. So in a Fantasy setting, it should not too much of a stretch imagining Rat Machine guns against populations armed with bows and heavy armour?

I think it comes down to how iconic the weapon is and how much of a game changer it was historically, and that slapping one into a setting should have implications for the entire setting.

I think it's stupid that Skaven had machine guns, and I think it's stupid here. But it's fine. I'll just ignore those in my own games.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There was a good discussion on real fantasy warfare in a D&D massed combat splatbook of all places, that claimed ranked combat would never have even evolved in a world where a dragon can roast 200 dudes in one go but trivial low level magic communication could allow modern military squad based formations easily. You know, if you wanted another level of realism that needs to be dismissed in orde to enjoy the setting Kinda like how cell phone use lagged like 10 years behind in detective movies because they coulnd't figure out how to write a story that wouldn't be ruined by instant communication and we just had to not think about it.

Its a really interesting topic - alots going to depend on how common the magic and dragons are I think - same with steampunk tech - which is also a major part of Warhammer.

Also the Skaven had small scale Nukes (Doom Spheres), Energy weapons - both artillery, vehicle and Rat Ogre based and even Man (rat) portable warp lightning, warpfire throwers, poison gas throwers, Long range instant commnication, underground rail networks... These new models would fit lovely in the lore and likely be used on......other Skaven - cos Skaven

Chaos Dwarfs had huge rockets and mechanised weapon platforms.

And then there's Warhammer Man o War that ramps it all up to 11 with artillery that would one-shot a whole army, or a city.