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 Alpharius wrote:

 scipio.au wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:
If you buy a whole scad of models, without really knowing what they are going to look like, and then get buttsore when they don't look exactly how they do in your mind, maybe Kickstarter isn't the way you should be buying models?

I await the Mantic KoW thread's rebirth with a bucket of popcorn....

Good point - that one might make all the other 'concept sketches are ≠ to actual model" discussions look like minor problems indeed!

I imagine there will be a lot of well-thought, constructive criticism and a measured, civil response.

 Alpharius wrote:

 scipio.au wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:
If you buy a whole scad of models, without really knowing what they are going to look like, and then get buttsore when they don't look exactly how they do in your mind, maybe Kickstarter isn't the way you should be buying models?

I await the Mantic KoW thread's rebirth with a bucket of popcorn....

Good point - that one might make all the other 'concept sketches are ≠ to actual model" discussions look like minor problems indeed!

Mantic wrote:....well shucks! Did we not mention these would be in paper mâché?

yeah,

NAVARRO wrote:... The sculpt is techically freaking awesome sauce! It may not be to your tastes but hell if this is not a superb sculpt.

I concur, the mini is great.

H.B.M.C. wrote:..Seems Kickstarter brings out everyone's inner Hulk...

notprop wrote:.. This is a storm in a tea cup. I look forward to my import duty free Studio McVey goodies. As you were.

I wonder if it's something to do with paying up front makes us behave differently. I lost the plot when CMON started selling copies of Zombicide at gencon before they shipped me my prepaid copy??
A CMON Zombicide KS refund calmed me right down...

Anyway if Jadas face make you feel sick and you can't imagine allowing it in your home Or you think you might loses control over your inner KS rage monster, one email to CMON and they will refund you your pledge in full in double quick time..

I'm holding on to my kickstarter pledge though as this game still looks amazing!

Mantic wrote:....well shucks! Did we not mention these would be in paper mâché?

lolz

Panic...

I think it is more a "the face is not in line with the rest of the model's quality and overall quality of SW, I would rather point it out now that it is still a sculpt and not a mold and benefit everybody" than a 'WHAT RAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH rage quit" situation, there are many shades of gray in this world, not just white and black.

Technically speaking Jadas sculpt is ranking among the really good 28mm minis available right now. She is different from the drawing but since the drawing is more in the pret-a-porter style that was to be expected.

We are talking here about a matter or PERSONAL TASTE. The sculpt is high-quality and if you deny this you better cough up some green-stuff and wire and present us some better sculpt.

Acutally I like the way she turned out, generally I am turned off by spindly looking supermodels...
And she now looks like someone that can lift a wrench without breaking one of her artificial fingernails...

Oh, and there are quite some femals out there that look like her, I wonder what they would do if they heard some of the above comments (more of a male face, distorted face,....)...

 Panic wrote:
I wonder if it's something to do with paying up front makes us behave differently. I lost the plot when CMON started selling copies of Zombicide at gencon before they shipped me my prepaid copy??
Panic...

Absolutely it does. It's because we're not only paying up front, but doing so months and months in advance. On top of that, we're paying for things that are often nothing more than concept art. Very loose concept art in some cases...

Technically, because she overall is a really good sculpt that's why the detail been discussed the jaw is in line of discuss and attention, if it was a bad sculpt overall I would not bother, or say something along the lines that if McVey accepted this I would be severely disappointed by them.

I find your counter argument flawed and childish to a point, "make yourself a better one" is exactly that, I do not need to be a better sculptor to point out a flaw as I do not need to be a better architect to point out a feature in a building was poorly thought, or needing to be a builder to point out a wall with the floor are not a 90 degree angle, please at least for me refrain from doing so bad counter arguments.

Likewise, I know there are females in the world with wide jawline, wide, not square jawline, she at least from this angle looks like she has a square jawline, characteristic of male jaw, not female.

In any case, I do not think people complained about the differences between the concept art, like posture, wrench size, or other minute differences like the caps size, but on two points, that the jaw is square and manlike and the lips are too big/ not well formed.

I honestly do not get what you do not get from people pointing out a flaw in an overall good miniature?

The jaw is not square. The chin is a point and there is no visible corner under the ear. She has a Rebecca Romijn Stamos jaw, not Kurt Russel's.

I just don't understand all the fuss. The face is as good as the Ridley sculpt (which I'm less of a fan of) and the face on the jet bike girl. It's a high quality sculpt that some people like and other don't. For me it is in line with the quality that McVey produces (high) and they've often looked like this (in my opinion) before paint has been applied.

I'm just looking forward to what they produce next. So far I am very impressed and which I'd put in for the Serentiy crew as well.

On the Zombicide/Gencon thing. As long as CMON made good on their September promise, which they did and I got a high quality game to play, which I did. I couldn't care less about some folks at GENCON paying more for less product and getting it a little earlier. I didn't like paying the extra at customs - but that's just because I'm tight.

Cheers Laney

It it just me or has this thread turned into a bunch of argumentative posts that I have to gloss over to find any sort of quality info.

To feel like part of the conversation: Jada was not even shown when I made my pledge, or half the ending special edition models, for that matter. You see, I did this weird thing where i bought into the Kickstarter because I liked the fact that I was getting a ton of models for a game with a play style that can replace my copy of Space Hulk, because neither myself or my friends like playing it.

My god, Jada's not even a model that had to be bought separately, so it has no bearing on my buying a game for an excellent deal versus it's retail price, with loads of extra models- the kicker of which for me was the fact that I get tons of extras of the actual base game models.

Indeed, the last few pages contain nothing but arguments. Time to stop I think!

Aye I hope they release pictures of something new, just to make it stop!

Keep opening this thread to see just that, and instead it is more discussion about if the woman mechanic's face looks too fat..

Pessimistic side of me says that this will roll out into more arguments over the rules once the boxes start turning and people start playing it.

The optimistic side says that people will enjoy the game coming from a legend of the gaming world.

The argument only continues as long as people keep bringing it up. If you want to talk about something else... talk about something else!

 RiTides wrote:
The argument only continues as long as people keep bringing it up. If you want to talk about something else... talk about something else!

Exactly!

Complaining about people complaining only serves to continue and prolong... the complaining!

New topic for discussion...should the upcoming expansions be kickstarted as well or just released like a normal product? Basic Firebrand models already exist (some even in the last KS) but I'd like the opportunity to be involved in a another KS where we might get some new LE models. Think they'll do it again?

 coyotius wrote:
New topic for discussion...should the upcoming expansions be kickstarted as well or just released like a normal product? Basic Firebrand models already exist (some even in the last KS) but I'd like the opportunity to be involved in a another KS where we might get some new LE models. Think they'll do it again?

I don’t think that they will do a Kickstarter for the expansion. A Kickstarter is to test the interest in an idea and achieve funding for the initial product, while they already know that there is a lot of interest in the expansion and will likely not have much trouble releasing since the first game was so successful.

As we've seen, and possibly despite what's written into KS' 'bylaws', Kickstarters can be for... anything.

So, yes, I do expect CMON and Studio McVey to continue the trend.

Seen other companies already doing that, I see no reason why they could not do it, it would definitely speed up the production of molds.

@alpharius: That's what I'm thinking too. Also, Kickstarters seem to generate more of a "buying frenzy" then normal releases.

Mike McVey has said the next Sedition Wars project

(probably the Firebrand/Bounty Hunter expansion, intended to be smaller than SW in scope)

will go down the traditional retail route and NOT come via KS. This is in part to keep traditional retailers on board, and presumably partly as they feel the brand will be strong enough to carry it.

Whether this means all future SW stuff will do the same ? I guess it depends on how well things sell, and how expensive the project after that is to put out

Perhaps if (!) they make it into a real skirmish game at some stage, they'll do another one to finance the cost of making things like that LE jetbike and other big things (there's still the second part of Kara's Last Stand missing ) up front.

But if I had to bet, I'd bet that there won't be any other Kickstarters, as with the franchise established, it would be quite easy to expand it one at a time and then just publish a rulebook for a skirmish system.

I would also think that since they made a boat-load of money via this kickstarter, that they wouldn't need another one to make expansions, particularly as they start to sell Sedition Wars itself.

And last I checked, kickstarter is not a pre-order mechanism. You're putting your money behind a product that you like and want to support. Anything that comes along with it (a game, stretch goals, etc.) are icing on the cake, they're not required.

Companies that put projects up via KS or Indiegogo owe us jack squat. So any concept drawings, test sculpts, product, whatever are totally at their discretion.

And I am a KS supporter of this project.

Again, Kickstarter is whatever the project creator wants it to be.

Since it is Crowd Funded though, well, only the best will survive!

I prefer to see some stuff just go through normal retail channels. Sure, a KS (often) gets us a pile of extras, but at the same time, it is used as a glorified preorder machanism, and paying for too much stuff way before it's released or even produced is becoming tiresome - and taking away from stuff I'd be buying "off the shelf" right now.

Someone over at the SW forum interviewed Mike about the future expansion and any kickstarters. Mike said he did not want to alienate LGS and will not have another KS, at least in the foreseeable future or with the boardgame aspect.

Mike mentioned that if all went well, he would like to have a skirmish set of rules for SW, depending on the size of the book and amount of art, could see that being a potential kickstarter.

Also, you need to carefully time your Kickstarter. For my taste there are too many out there right now and they are cannibalizing each other. Thus I keep my wallet locked.

 scipio.au wrote:
I prefer to see some stuff just go through normal retail channels. Sure, a KS (often) gets us a pile of extras, but at the same time, it is used as a glorified preorder machanism, and paying for too much stuff way before it's released or even produced is becoming tiresome - and taking away from stuff I'd be buying "off the shelf" right now.

I haven't seen a successful Kickstarter yet where we paid too much for the stuff!

Too early? Maybe...

Too much? Nope!

Re-read, Alph. I said paying for too much stuff, not paying too much for stuff.

Ah - sorry.

But still, paying for too much stuff?

Huh? (Insert "Not Sure if Serious." picture here)