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Oh hey, look what I found on /tg/

Looks like somebody was amused enough by our silly discussion about what "exotic skills" could have meant to request it in a draw thread over there, and a kindly drawfriend did a rough drawing of it.

But anyway, OT, Kyrinov getting his own model would be useful. Or the generic Confessor getting his own. They're just using the same model, at the moment, which is awkward.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
Hot drops are the Space Marines' thing. The Sisters should be like the Guard

So, like Elysians?

Not unless you want the Sisters to lose their heavy armour and their tanks. Elysian air drop capability just isn't good enough for anyone else.

We... we have heavy armor? Where!?

Hahah, that image is golden.

Also props for your clever alternative re.: "drawfriend".

Psienesis wrote:I imagine they use Valkyries, the Dominica-pattern drop-pod, and those bulk-lifter/transports that I can't remember the name of that were mentioned in the Faith & Fire novels.
ETA: Bah to your ninja-edit.... well, we might see the Dominica moved into the Codex as a Deep Strike option. Might also see a Valkyrie (or some variant thereof) make an appearance.

The Valkyrie is almost a must-have. It should be there already, given that our Seraphim must deep-strike from somewhere above the battlefield.

I'm kinda split on the pods, though. They were said to be kept back for special occasions and are definitely a non-standard thing, so ... perhaps rather as an Apoc formation?
Or an Unlock from the Canoness HQ - with the added condition that the entire army must deploy via deep strike, similar to the old OH Strike Force.

Hrmm... I can see deploying the entire army via pod as a requirement for certain scenarios, but I dunno that it'd necessarily be required for any appearance of it.

I mean, sure, it's rare... but, then, so are melta and plasma weapons, but that doesn't stop people from giving one to every Tom, Dick and Harry in the IG or SM that can carry one. Table-top games often represent those "rare events" where the Imperium's resources are on full display.

I mean, you could narrate a battle as having this group of Sisters from such-and-such Order having been fighting this enemy for three months solid now, and this is the final push that will either break the Sisters' line and leave the (Hive, Temple, Relic, whatever) free for the taking by the enemy.... but in a bold move to dispute the enemy's claim, reinforcements arrive (in turn 3) from an unexpected quarter... quite literally from "on high".

 Troike wrote:
Oh hey, look what I found on /tg/

Spoiler:

Looks like somebody was amused enough by our silly discussion about what "exotic skills" could have meant to request it in a draw thread over there, and a kindly drawfriend did a rough drawing of it.

But anyway, OT, Kyrinov getting his own model would be useful. Or the generic Confessor getting his own. They're just using the same model, at the moment, which is awkward.

Kyrinov has his own model, it's just missing from the site right now.



Priest models make fine Confessors, but yes a plastic kit would be nice.

Psienesis wrote:I mean, you could narrate a battle as having this group of Sisters from such-and-such Order having been fighting this enemy for three months solid now, and this is the final push that will either break the Sisters' line and leave the (Hive, Temple, Relic, whatever) free for the taking by the enemy.... but in a bold move to dispute the enemy's claim, reinforcements arrive (in turn 3) from an unexpected quarter... quite literally from "on high".

Yep, that's why I'd also consider it as an Apoc formation.

Sorry, I should have been more clear in my previous post - I'd think the pods could perhaps be used both in Apocalypse (as a special formation similar to the Repentant Host or the Purge Squadron) as well as "unlocked" in normal games if the army meets certain requirements. Basically limiting usage of drop pods to either rapid strike "assassinations" (deploying the entire army this way in a normal game), or as reinforcements in a huge and important battle (Apoc formation). This would also serve to make it appear a little less spacemariney and more fitting to their own battle doctrines.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Kyrinov has his own model, it's just missing from the site right now.

I know, I meant one distinct from the generic Confessor. I gues it stems from him being a 2e model, where some special characters did just use generic models.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Priest models make fine Confessors

Madness. They lack the proper hat.

I want an all girl power army. Kyrinov can go hang out with the Grey Knights. Give us some female heroes besides Celestine! And while we're updating kits give Celestine wings!


While I'm wishing, better jump packs for Seraphim with built in angel wings to save me painful conversion time!

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I want an all girl power army. Kyrinov can go hang out with the Grey Knights. Give us some female heroes besides Celestine! And while we're updating kits give Celestine wings!


While I'm wishing, better jump packs for Seraphim with built in angel wings to save me painful conversion time!

Exactly. I want a Sisters army, not an old men and Sisters army. More Sisters characters please.

 Troike wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Kyrinov has his own model, it's just missing from the site right now.

I know, I meant one distinct from the generic Confessor. I gues it stems from him being a 2e model, where some special characters did just use generic models.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Priest models make fine Confessors

Madness. They lack the proper hat.

Kryrinov via magazine in 1997:


Yeah, he was just Kyrinov from the start.


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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I want an all girl power army. Kyrinov can go hang out with the Grey Knights. Give us some female heroes besides Celestine! And while we're updating kits give Celestine wings!


While I'm wishing, better jump packs for Seraphim with built in angel wings to save me painful conversion time!

Sisters serve the Ecclesiarchy. Are you saying they're suddenly too good to do their actual job now?

Like it or not Kyrinov and Jacobus are characters that SHOULD be in the codex. Helfire too, but he's MIA probably due to having no model.

I like how that images suggests a sort of transformation with the Mace of Valaan.

"At day, he is only Redemptor Kyrinov, but in the night ..."
<Mace of Valaan floats into Kyrinov's hand>
"... he becomes the ARCH CONFESSOR"

ClockworkZion wrote:Sisters serve the Ecclesiarchy. Are you saying they're suddenly too good to do their actual job now?
Like it or not Kyrinov and Jacobus are characters that SHOULD be in the codex. Helfire too, but he's MIA probably due to having no model.

There's no good reason not to ask for more female heroines, though. Like, a female priest.

Or maybe Saint Helena and Canoness Praxedes which we had before and who were taken from us!

Ecclesiarchy clergy surely isn't a "must have" for a Sisters army, though. They deploy alone often enough in the fluff as well.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I want an all girl power army. Kyrinov can go hang out with the Grey Knights. Give us some female heroes besides Celestine! And while we're updating kits give Celestine wings!


While I'm wishing, better jump packs for Seraphim with built in angel wings to save me painful conversion time!

Sisters serve the Ecclesiarchy. Are you saying they're suddenly too good to do their actual job now?

Like it or not Kyrinov and Jacobus are characters that SHOULD be in the codex. Helfire too, but he's MIA probably due to having no model.

Yes I am.

Not really. I'd be all for like ONE male ordo hereticus inquisitor who happened to be male and the two priests (if one is renamed to Judas just for the puns) but just because you're on the staff planning team does not make you a battle field leader. More girl power. If we want useless old men we can back the new kickstarter that will produce a wargame based on the U.S. Congress.

Exalted. Feth Congress.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I want an all girl power army. Kyrinov can go hang out with the Grey Knights. Give us some female heroes besides Celestine! And while we're updating kits give Celestine wings!

While I'm wishing, better jump packs for Seraphim with built in angel wings to save me painful conversion time!

Sisters serve the Ecclesiarchy. Are you saying they're suddenly too good to do their actual job now?

Like it or not Kyrinov and Jacobus are characters that SHOULD be in the codex. Helfire too, but he's MIA probably due to having no model.

Yes I am.

Not really. I'd be all for like ONE male ordo hereticus inquisitor who happened to be male and the two priests (if one is renamed to Judas just for the puns) but just because you're on the staff planning team does not make you a battle field leader. More girl power. If we want useless old men we can back the new kickstarter that will produce a wargame based on the U.S. Congress.

Unlike Congress the Ecclesiarchy actually does things.

Seriously, there should be a rule that if there is a Canoness on the table that the Confessor can't be the Warlord because they lead all tactical stuff to the Sisters. On the flipside their the ones who "lead" Wars of Faith, at least in the rabble-rousing and motivation side of things.

Lynata wrote:I like how that images suggests a sort of transformation with the Mace of Valaan.

"At day, he is only Redemptor Kyrinov, but in the night ..."
<Mace of Valaan floats into Kyrinov's hand>
"... he becomes the ARCH CONFESSOR"

ClockworkZion wrote:Sisters serve the Ecclesiarchy. Are you saying they're suddenly too good to do their actual job now?
Like it or not Kyrinov and Jacobus are characters that SHOULD be in the codex. Helfire too, but he's MIA probably due to having no model.

There's no good reason not to ask for more female heroines, though. Like, a female priest.

Or maybe Saint Helena and Canoness Praxedes which we had before and who were taken from us!

Ecclesiarchy clergy surely isn't a "must have" for a Sisters army, though. They deploy alone often enough in the fluff as well.

I'm all for adding back in our female characters, just don't cut out the male characters who SHOULD be there.

AlexHolker wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
Hot drops are the Space Marines' thing. The Sisters should be like the Guard

So, like Elysians?

Not unless you want the Sisters to lose their heavy armour and their tanks. Elysian air drop capability just isn't good enough for anyone else.

Fine, then... like the Harakoni Warhawks, who are also an airborne army but don't have the same limitation on drop gear because they use gliders instead of chutes.

SisterSydney wrote:7 feet tall? Ok, maybe in fluff, but not in any pictures I've seen -- except maybe Blanches' once you count the heels....

I'm pretty sure they meant the Marines, although they wear heels too...

Troike wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Kyrinov has his own model, it's just missing from the site right now.

I know, I meant one distinct from the generic Confessor. I gues it stems from him being a 2e model, where some special characters did just use generic models.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Priest models make fine Confessors

Madness. They lack the proper hat.

There is no generic Confessor model, more to the problem, they keep using Kyrinov's. :p

KalashnikovMarine wrote:I want an all girl power army. Kyrinov can go hang out with the Grey Knights. Give us some female heroes besides Celestine! And while we're updating kits give Celestine wings!


While I'm wishing, better jump packs for Seraphim with built in angel wings to save me painful conversion time!

No! Seraphim jump packs are awesome, they already look like wings while still looking like jump packs instead of something to decorate a pin-up wallscroll.

Seriously, Seraphim jump packs are the best jump packs in the game, why does everyone hate them? :(

I dig Seraphim jump packs too, but apparently some people want them MORE like wings.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
Not unless you want the Sisters to lose their heavy armour and their tanks. Elysian air drop capability just isn't good enough for anyone else.

We... we have heavy armor? Where!?

They wear 3+ power armour, unlike those poor Elysian bastards.

Furyou Miko wrote:No! Seraphim jump packs are awesome, they already look like wings while still looking like jump packs instead of something to decorate a pin-up wallscroll.
Seriously, Seraphim jump packs are the best jump packs in the game, why does everyone hate them? :(

There, there, Sister Furyou - I love them as well!

In fact, that is exactly the kind of "gothic abstraction" that I like so much about the whole army. I do not want contemporary sci-fi with "practical" designs NOR do I want all-out crazy space circus with flying faeries and wizards shooting lightings out of their eyes ... I want fanatical crusaders who use technology that looks artificial yet influenced by and imitating the religion they are following! Seraphim Jump Packs are the perfect example of this design philosophy.
In addition, this is also an excellent example for how facts become twisted into myth and legend. You look at it close and are like "okay, cool jump packs" - but anyone who sees them from afar will only see the rough shapes and be like OMG ANGELS! And this is exactly how I think a lot of stuff we read in Imperial propaganda or various hearsay-tales have come into being. 40k is made of this stuff!

So if it's a case of the generic Confessor needing a model, then give him one instead. It just feels kinda awkward to have a generic and a special sharing.

As for the Seraphim jump packs, I agree that the current ones are good. What I like about them is their slight resemblance to pipe organs, which ties in very neatly with the rest of the army's aesthetic.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I want an all girl power army. Kyrinov can go hang out with the Grey Knights.

Nah, the Ecclesiarchy has been in with us since the beginning, they're where they belong.

If you want an all-girl army, just don't take any dudes. It's viable enough, shouldn't cripple you or anything.

I'm one of those mad bastards who converted his Seraphim with the wings and jump packs from the Blood Angels Sanguinary guard kit. I really hate the normal jump packs for whatever reason.

 Lynata wrote:
I like how that images suggests a sort of transformation with the Mace of Valaan.

"At day, he is only Redemptor Kyrinov, but in the night ..."
<Mace of Valaan floats into Kyrinov's hand>
"... he becomes the ARCH CONFESSOR"

ClockworkZion wrote:Sisters serve the Ecclesiarchy. Are you saying they're suddenly too good to do their actual job now?
Like it or not Kyrinov and Jacobus are characters that SHOULD be in the codex. Helfire too, but he's MIA probably due to having no model.

There's no good reason not to ask for more female heroines, though. Like, a female priest.

Or maybe Saint Helena and Canoness Praxedes which we had before and who were taken from us!

Ecclesiarchy clergy surely isn't a "must have" for a Sisters army, though. They deploy alone often enough in the fluff as well.

He isn't the priest the Imperium deserves, but the one it needs right now.

At a minimum I think we need an all plastic Exorcist kit. It shouldn't even be that hard. Just redo the terrible mold they are using now for the organ. As it is now, the organ doesn't fit without a lot of filing work and even then it quite top heavy.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I'm one of those mad bastards who converted his Seraphim with the wings and jump packs from the Blood Angels Sanguinary guard kit. I really hate the normal jump packs for whatever reason.

You're not alone friend, I love my Seraphim wings.

 Psienesis wrote:
....if they provided one or two heavier tanks, something akin to a Leman Russ or a Predator... You could, for example, have a Minor Order that, for whatever reason, has access to several armored vehicles, which of course means (due to points limits) you have fewer infantry models on the table....

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
We... we have heavy armor? Where!?

Now we do: Tank Heaven For Little Girls in Proposed Rules includes a souped-up Predator Infernus, an all-new Oriflamme Scout Tank, alternative Exorcist ammo load-outs, and Sororitas-specific vehicle upgrades (Laud Hailers are back!). I'd welcome any and all comments and critique.

Oh. Oh my~

Syd, if you plugged your homebrew threads any more they'd power a pride float. :p

Anyway, we have a Predator grade tank: The Exorcist.

 Lynata wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Inclusion of a Techpriest or Enginseer or even an SoB gone Mechanicum will always be in the shadow of Marines as it's just another unit that is a pale imitation of a marine unit.

Guess that means we'll have to scrap the whole army now - given that everything but the Repentia could be called the same if one were dead-set on applying this mindset to them.

I do not see the Sisters "suffer" from this perspective at all, and I think it is both naive and harmful to deny the stylistic links between them and the Space Marines.

I think it is because they already share such stylistic (and structural) links that it would be important to emphasize their differences in a new/revised codex. This is something the studio itself knows, but, unfortunately, in the past, has used a strategy of exclusion to do that differentiation. There has been a lot more: "They are like Marines, but don't have this, and this, and that." rather than "They are like marines, but have this instead of that.". Were it me, I'd be focusing on trying to expand the army with new and different things, rather than purely direct ports or carbon copies of units and equipment from other armies.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Syd, if you plugged your homebrew threads any more they'd power a pride float. :p

Anyway, we have a Predator grade tank: The Exorcist.

Indirect artillery support is not armored support Furyou!

Pendix wrote:I think it is because they already share such stylistic (and structural) links that it would be important to emphasize their differences in a new/revised codex. This is something the studio itself knows, but, unfortunately, in the past, has used a strategy of exclusion to do that differentiation. There has been a lot more: "They are like Marines, but don't have this, and this, and that." rather than "They are like marines, but have this instead of that.". Were it me, I'd be focusing on trying to expand the army with new and different things, rather than purely direct ports or carbon copies of units and equipment from other armies.

Which is why I'm argueing for a robed, carapace-armoured female engineer with basic tools, who would thus be different from a power-armoured male abhuman with giant claws strapped to their backs.

I find this idea superior to either a carbon-copy of the IG/SM Engineseer/Techmarine or leaving out such a unit entirely.

It also fits to how the Hospitaller behaves to the Apothecary.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Syd, if you plugged your homebrew threads any more they'd power a pride float. :p

Anyway, we have a Predator grade tank: The Exorcist.

Indirect artillery support is not armored support Furyou!

Yes, but the Exorcist is not indirect artillery support. It's a rapid-firing direct fire multiple launch rocket system.

Otherwise it would have the "indirect fire" rule, rather than the "turret" rule. :p