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I would hope people followup on this little rules-bit. That's an important rules clarification. This is not to say that the WD people are the final arbiters of the rules - but it's important to consider that they probably are closer to the designers and their intentions than the rest of us.

 Wilson wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think that the Toxicrene is pretty good for it's point cost. Really deadly in assault. Two of them could easilly kill monsters that are worth much more than them.

The maefactor seems like a big pile of uselesness.

but it's a footslogger that doesn't even have access to adrenal glands, has a 4+ save and is WS3.

yeah, but wounds everything on 2 +. and will instant death pretty much every 2 turns.

Bringing it in close combat might be a problem, but at 160 points, it's not that big of a deal if he dies before reaching cc.

As the WD said, against high W and T creatures or characters, he'll be really useful

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think that the Toxicrene is pretty good for it's point cost. Really deadly in assault. Two of them could easilly kill monsters that are worth much more than them.

The maefactor seems like a big pile of uselesness.

but it's a footslogger that doesn't even have access to adrenal glands, has a 4+ save and is WS3.

yeah, but wounds everything on 2 +. and will instant death pretty much every 2 turns.

Bringing it in close combat might be a problem, but at 160 points, it's not that big of a deal if he dies before reaching cc.

As the WD said, against high W and T creatures or characters, he'll be really useful

Just don't shoot with it, least it's gonna instagib itself with a bad scatter !

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Also rules side note:

by the sounds of their recommendations for cover, it looks like intervening model works just by having a model in front of another model from a third party- not covering 25%!

interesting!

I've always suspected this is how the rule is supposed to work... but given I collect Tyranids I always thought I was being biased.

But it does really open up some tactics. Suddenly your venomthrope covered TMC's have a 3+ cover save if you put some small bugs in front of them, makes a huge difference compared to 5+.

I doubt you will find many willing to accept the WD interpretation.

 PhillyT wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Also rules side note:

by the sounds of their recommendations for cover, it looks like intervening model works just by having a model in front of another model from a third party- not covering 25%!

interesting!

I've always suspected this is how the rule is supposed to work... but given I collect Tyranids I always thought I was being biased.

But it does really open up some tactics. Suddenly your venomthrope covered TMC's have a 3+ cover save if you put some small bugs in front of them, makes a huge difference compared to 5+.

I doubt you will find many willing to accept the WD interpretation.

I will use the GW, WD staff interpretation as it is the closest to an FAQ as we'll probably ever get.

 PhillyT wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Also rules side note:

by the sounds of their recommendations for cover, it looks like intervening model works just by having a model in front of another model from a third party- not covering 25%!

interesting!

I've always suspected this is how the rule is supposed to work... but given I collect Tyranids I always thought I was being biased.

But it does really open up some tactics. Suddenly your venomthrope covered TMC's have a 3+ cover save if you put some small bugs in front of them, makes a huge difference compared to 5+.

I doubt you will find many willing to accept the WD interpretation.

Although no where in the Intervening models section does it mention a 25% requirement.

Intervening Models
If a target is partially obscured from the firer by models from a third unit (models not from the firer’s unit, or from the target unit), it receives a 5+ cover save in the same way as if it was behind terrain.

NamelessBard wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Also rules side note:

by the sounds of their recommendations for cover, it looks like intervening model works just by having a model in front of another model from a third party- not covering 25%!

interesting!

I've always suspected this is how the rule is supposed to work... but given I collect Tyranids I always thought I was being biased.

But it does really open up some tactics. Suddenly your venomthrope covered TMC's have a 3+ cover save if you put some small bugs in front of them, makes a huge difference compared to 5+.

I doubt you will find many willing to accept the WD interpretation.

Although no where in the Intervening models section does it mention a 25% requirement.

Intervening Models
If a target is partially obscured from the firer by models from a third unit (models not from the firer’s unit, or from the target unit), it receives a 5+ cover save in the same way as if it was behind terrain.

It is higher up in the "Determining Cover Saves" section.

LOL. The GW staff doesn't know their own rules... What a surprise !

I've been punched right in the Feeling-Glands...

I Don't like these Rules :(


Waaah....

Sooo, THIS just got put up on Faeit:


"Imperial Citizens, take cover!" There's only one thing that comes to mind: Artillery. And if that's in concert with the earlier rumor from Lords of Wargaming (who have a nearly perfect record, am I right Pretre?) then there's only one existing Tyranid that fits that bill: The Dactylis. AND following that train of though of it being a 2-thing kit there's another creature that shares a body type with the Dactylis: The Cerebore (or Malefactor maybe). I guess I'll have to spend the next week and a half doing my best not to get excited at the possibility. Because there are 3 (or 4 if you separate the Cerebore and Malefactor) that they have yet to port over from Epic: Dactylis, Cerebores (and Malefactors), and the Dominatrix.

My god...

I hope you're right sir!

Out of the big bugs from epic, nids have the exocrine, trygon and haruspex.

They do still need the malefactor and dactylis though, which could be interesting.

However, im happy with my old armorcast ones

Didn't LoW indicate that this dual kit we have been talking about will be the only one?

Perhaps plastic Biovores as part of the Stormclaw style Leviathan box?

Mycetic spore?

 pretre wrote:
Eben Fournier Lowy Wait, so another bug in addition to the toxic/brain?
Lords of War Gaming No just the current one you see.

Looks like this is it as far as gribblies go.

 Wilson wrote:
Mycetic spore?

With another company already making one do they own that concept?

Though a better solution would have been letting us buy deep strike to represent them Ie. WWP.

What would the chances of the iPad versions being updated with these units in them?

Has any codex been updated when new units have been released or is this the first time new units have been released after a codex update?

Hmph GW beginning to stray a bit too far from the lore.

A true Imperial Citizen would not "take cover" but stand out in the open, proclaiming his faith in the Emperor and meeting the earth shaking projectiles head on.

Its like they don't even read the stuff they make...

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Hmph GW beginning to stray a bit too far from the lore.

A true Imperial Citizen would not "take cover" but stand out in the open, proclaiming his faith in the Emperor and meeting the earth shaking projectiles head on.

Its like they don't even read the stuff they make...

Sounds like YOU don't read the stuff they make. Otherwise you would know there are no true Imperial citizens, just varying degrees of heresy....

It could be meaning Fantasy rather than 40k though...

I'm surprised the nid's didn't receive a large mini titan sized beast to go against the knight and ork gorkanaut.

While I like the Maleceptor, am I the only one who thinks it looks like a Tyranid version of an Intellect Devourer?

 mjl7atlas wrote:
I'm surprised the n id's didn't receive a large mini titan sized beast to go against the knight and ork gorkanaut.

Ditto.

Although I pretty much expected every race to get something Knight Titan sized.

Fingers still crossed for Necrons....

How about if other Tyranid Psychers being able to use the new Tyranid Psychic power from the Maleceptor?

Wow! 205 points to maybe glance a vehicle. It's good to be a 'Nid player.

 pretre wrote:
2. A Campaign book will be released and if I remember correctly it's called Leviathan.
4. There will be a starter set that contains BA and Tyranids. It will be similar to Storm Claw.

Well that's good. GW should be doing more campaign stuff.

 c0j1r0 wrote:
...there's only one existing Tyranid that fits that bill: The Dactylis.

It would be a find day for the Hive Mind if that were true, but I doubt it.

Could also be plastic biovores. if it's even about 'Nids at all.

 AtoMaki wrote:

It is higher up in the "Determining Cover Saves" section.

LOL. The GW staff doesn't know their own rules... What a surprise !

Except it's not, because the "Intervening Models" section is a special case of cover and only says "partially obscured", something which is never defined... so the natural assumption is that you take the common english meaning of the word "partially obscured" rather than "25% obscured". But we have threads in YMDC discussing it....

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/618057.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/614650.page

I really hope that this thing (and the other thing if there is more than one) have actual good stats. Balance the frickin' game, GW.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I really hope that this thing (and the other thing if there is more than one) have actual good stats. Balance the frickin' game, GW.

The stats pages have already leaked.

We have one that is a Near-hit, being so close being good...


The other is probably the worst TMC in the History of Nids.

NamelessBard wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Also rules side note:

by the sounds of their recommendations for cover, it looks like intervening model works just by having a model in front of another model from a third party- not covering 25%!

interesting!

I've always suspected this is how the rule is supposed to work... but given I collect Tyranids I always thought I was being biased.

But it does really open up some tactics. Suddenly your venomthrope covered TMC's have a 3+ cover save if you put some small bugs in front of them, makes a huge difference compared to 5+.

I doubt you will find many willing to accept the WD interpretation.

Although no where in the Intervening models section does it mention a 25% requirement.

Intervening Models
If a target is partially obscured from the firer by models from a third unit (models not from the firer’s unit, or from the target unit), it receives a 5+ cover save in the same way as if it was behind terrain.

I believe it is in the section regarding cover saves.

 Sasori wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I really hope that this thing (and the other thing if there is more than one) have actual good stats. Balance the frickin' game, GW.

The stats pages have already leaked.

We have one that is a Near-hit, being so close being good...


The other is probably the worst TMC in the History of Nids.

I was more hoping that the leaks were wrong and/or trolling the Tyranid fans. Better the leakers were trolling Tyranid fans than GW.

I don't even have a horse in this race (I don't play Tyranids, don't know anyone that plays Tyranids). But when GW screws over one section of the playerbase, the game, as a whole, suffers greatly.