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 Vermis wrote:


I guess the dials are involved in the initiative sequence, but I hope they dictate more actions than simple things like moving forward and wheeling.

As for the game dials, there are numerous posts, videos and articles demonstrating an interesting array of game play mechanics.

I personally like that the minis appear fast to paint and less "bling."
With all said, I'd be a bit concerned if I was eager to play. It's an investment to take off, with an immense amount of competition. Enthusiasts may have to create a scene for this one.

ced1106 wrote:

CoreCommander wrote:
The miniatures seem to be nicely casted with plain, ordinary detail - easy to paint and identify by newbs. I see that they turned away from their initial idea of having entirely pre-built models to appeal to a wider audience. You only get one type of model per unit though so all your skeletons, infantry and cavalry look the same. I'd have thought about getting the box for the models only as they're pretty generic and can be used in many games, but the game is still 100 bloody pounds in Europe!

Are Mantic Kings of War miniatures expensive there? The Orcs Army and Undead Army were good prices in the US and paint up fine. Dunno about the specialized models, though.

Mantic are a British company and still within the borders of the EU - their prices are as per the manufacturer. I've a large number of their orc models and have ordered an undead batallion, but this doesn't mean I would mind having FF's ones - I like generic models and well executed stereotypes

I won't be getting into Runewars, but I will definitely be getting a box of a pair of Rune Golems for use in other games. I love those, and better yet they have the two individual poses.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I won't be getting into Runewars, but I will definitely be getting a box of a pair of Rune Golems for use in other games. I love those, and better yet they have the two individual poses.

they had a demo table at the Con we had here in L.A. last month, with both painted and unpainted armies to look at...
i was quite impressed by the size of the Golems, and they are nice sculpts...
the leaders also look good, and come on a nice size "display" base, for those of us that like detailed bases...
i am sure that i will grab a few models just to paint, at some point down the road

cheers
jah

The miniatures have a clean, stylized, almost cartoonish appearance, which is why I feel people keep comparing them to Rackham sculpts. They also remind me of MERCS/Myth or the more vanilla armored units from Warmachine. The market for this particular style of miniature seems pretty saturated to me, but I would definitely pick some up if the prices are good for unit or hero boxes.

 jah-joshua wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I won't be getting into Runewars, but I will definitely be getting a box of a pair of Rune Golems for use in other games. I love those, and better yet they have the two individual poses.

they had a demo table at the Con we had here in L.A. last month, with both painted and unpainted armies to look at...
i was quite impressed by the size of the Golems, and they are nice sculpts...
the leaders also look good, and come on a nice size "display" base, for those of us that like detailed bases...
i am sure that i will grab a few models just to paint, at some point down the road

cheers
jah

What Con was this? I didn't even know there were tabletop gaming conventions in LA.

@Bob: Strategicon, at the LAX Hilton...
Orccon was Presidents Day weekend, Gamex is Memorial Day weekend (May 26-29), and Gateway is Labor Day weekend (Sept. 1-4)...
i go on the Sunday, for the painting contest...

http://www.strategicon.net/index.php?goto=events

i'm sure FFG will be there again...
i believe their reps are called "Flight Crew", or something like that...
it was good to see them running a demo of the starter...
having the minis in hand was much better than judging from photos...
they definitely sold me on switching from "Nope, not interested.", to "I'll have to get a few of these."...

cheers
jah

Yeah, I saw the Golem at last summer's Gencon and loved it.

It's alluring that they are easy to put together. I had to pay a commission painter to assemble my bloody bolt action infantry...

The rules seem very well conceived for this system. Power Limits, options, intuitive mechanics, and interesting effects. I love the casting of runes at the beginning of each round.

For those of you keen on the larger models, the expansion packs will have 2 figures with separate sculpts.

Here's all the featured articles:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/tag/runewars-miniatures-game/?

Over priced
£25 or £22.50 (discount) for 8 skeleton archers no feckin way and its cheap crap plastic watch the beasts of war unboxing and you see all the spear shafts all bend and such no thanxs

http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/fantasy-miniatures-games/runewars/reanimate-archers-expansion-pack-runewars-miniatures-game

10penceman wrote:
Over priced
£25 or £22.50 (discount) for 8 skeleton archers no feckin way and its cheap crap plastic watch the beasts of war unboxing and you see all the spear shafts all bend and such no thanxs

http://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/fantasy-miniatures-games/runewars/reanimate-archers-expansion-pack-runewars-miniatures-game

Bent spears are super common for this type of plastic and can be fixed in about a minute with a little hot water. Hold the spear under hot water from the faucet for about 30-60 seconds to soften it a tiny bit and then hold it straight while running it under cold water. Voila! Straight spear. This is Hobby 101 stuff. I've had to do the same for tons of board game minis.

As to the price... well... the GBP isn't worth what it used to be worth. ~Two years ago, 1 GBP was worth ~1.70 USD. As of this morning, it's closer to ~1.20 USD. A natural side effect of this drop in value is that anything made outside of the UK will become more 'expensive' as it takes more GBP to buy the same value worth of foreign stuff.

Holy gak, and I though Geedub were gouging.

Is this one doing the thing where you need to buy other factions' models to get the upgrade cards for your own?

I think I paid £12 retail for 10 Reaper Bones skeletons at Dragonmeet in December. £22 for 8 does seem excessive -- it's more than twice the price for similar quality. This is particularly the case if you consider Mantic's skeletons, which if anything are better than the Bones ones or the RW ones and significantly cheaper at around £16 for 20, i.e. less than a third of the price of the RuneWars ones.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think I paid £12 retail for 10 Reaper Bones skeletons at Dragonmeet in December. £22 for 8 does seem excessive -- it's more than twice the price for similar quality. This is particularly the case if you consider Mantic's skeletons, which if anything are better than the Bones ones or the RW ones and significantly cheaper at around £16 for 20, i.e. less than a third of the price of the RuneWars ones.

These will beat Bones in quality I'd wager.
You essentially getting rules as well. That's significant compared other companies.
Ive spent $40 just on trays for Kings of War as well.

The discounts are significant in the U.S. on FFG stuff. Very affordable IMO. I do feel pain for our UK and Aussie mates.

GW's Skellingtons, which come with rules - £15.50 for 10

Mantic's Skellingtons - £17.99 for 20, don't know if they come with rules.

That's their RRP as well.

I really think FFG have priced themselves out on this one.


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 AduroT wrote:
Is this one doing the thing where you need to buy other factions' models to get the upgrade cards for your own?

Almost certainly.

 AduroT wrote:
Is this one doing the thing where you need to buy other factions' models to get the upgrade cards for your own?

Right now it has been implied that will not be the case. I hope they hold to it.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think I paid £12 retail for 10 Reaper Bones skeletons at Dragonmeet in December. £22 for 8 does seem excessive -- it's more than twice the price for similar quality. This is particularly the case if you consider Mantic's skeletons, which if anything are better than the Bones ones or the RW ones and significantly cheaper at around £16 for 20, i.e. less than a third of the price of the RuneWars ones.

These will beat Bones in quality I'd wager.
You essentially getting rules as well. That's significant compared other companies.
Ive spent $40 just on trays for Kings of War as well.

The discounts are significant in the U.S. on FFG stuff. Very affordable IMO. I do feel pain for our UK and Aussie mates.

US discounts unless they are doing a firesale is only 15%. Thanks Asmodee. I think that hurt growth of Armada and I think it's going to hurt this.

That's something, but I'm still dubious that the card system won't turn out like X-Wing, where I have a paranoid theory they designed some ships to suck early on, so they could better peddle Aces and Epic Ships later.

But hey - that's a reason to put me off. Not for anyone else

The prices, at least in the US seem fine. $25 for an 8 man unit or 4 cavalry models is pretty cheap compared to most games. Of course, the quality doesn't seem on par with other manufacturers though I suspect it will be similar to the Imperial Assault stuff, which is probably worth about that I suppose (but FFG charges about 3x that...).

My primary issue is the concern that you'll miss upgrades without buying all the factions and just that I find the art direction a little uninspired. The only model in the line that really draws my eye is the Golem. It's also going to be really hard for the game to feel like its got legs until there's a couple more factions, which feels quite a long ways off.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think I paid £12 retail for 10 Reaper Bones skeletons at Dragonmeet in December. £22 for 8 does seem excessive -- it's more than twice the price for similar quality. This is particularly the case if you consider Mantic's skeletons, which if anything are better than the Bones ones or the RW ones and significantly cheaper at around £16 for 20, i.e. less than a third of the price of the RuneWars ones.

These will beat Bones in quality I'd wager.
You essentially getting rules as well. That's significant compared other companies.
Ive spent $40 just on trays for Kings of War as well.

The discounts are significant in the U.S. on FFG stuff. Very affordable IMO. I do feel pain for our UK and Aussie mates.

US discounts unless they are doing a firesale is only 15%. Thanks Asmodee. I think that hurt growth of Armada and I think it's going to hurt this.

I COMPLETELY forgot about this change to 15% max.
Ouch... not fun. I support my local shops as best I can, but some people purchase exclusively online and that will definitely be a factor for them. It was easy to jump into Armada at 25-35% off . I don't see the games growing as much anymore.
Damn... again I completely missed this.

Hmm... this aesthetic really reminds me of something.

Oh...

Wait, who the hell let the irreductible village's gauls out of the siege-perimeter again!?

The Rune Golems don't seem badly priced at 35 bucks when you get two dreadnought-sized models in the box. Same with the big carrion-worm things. Plus the online discount means they will probably be 30 or less, even with the horrible Asmodee discount rules.

And yeah. Spear shaft rebending is basically something every single Forge World buyer has to do with anything that's a melee weapon, so big deal.

 Las wrote:


Hmm... this aesthetic really reminds me of something.

Oh...

Honestly, it looks more like a generic WoW MMO/MOAB aesthetic than anything.

LunarSol wrote:$25 for an 8 man unit or 4 cavalry models is pretty cheap compared to most games.

What the...?

Either the pound hasn't fallen that much vs. the dollar, or you have a limited frame of reference for 'most games'.

AegisGrimm wrote:And yeah. Spear shaft rebending is basically something every single Forge World buyer has to do with anything that's a melee weapon, so big deal.

Forge World stuff doesn't tend to be potential beginner-level starter-set minis (possibly nudged towards the board game lot too) though.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
The Rune Golems don't seem badly priced at 35 bucks when you get two dreadnought-sized models in the box. Same with the big carrion-worm things. Plus the online discount means they will probably be 30 or less, even with the horrible Asmodee discount rules.

And yeah. Spear shaft rebending is basically something every single Forge World buyer has to do with anything that's a melee weapon, so big deal.

...I believe anyone who finds that a fair price is probably already already so invested in Warmahordes he or she won't have space for Runewars.

On the plus side, if this game takes off, Bones 4 will probably offer us better sculpts of similar designs for half the price at most.

 AduroT wrote:
Is this one doing the thing where you need to buy other factions' models to get the upgrade cards for your own?

They have stated that they won't do this. I think that FFG got the message that folks didn't like buying Empire units to upgrade your Rebel ships. That was a ridiculous model

They're going to make it more subtle, this time.

I guess they're taking a GW kind of approach and just aren't going to bother trying to get any sales outside of their home market.