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 PLC wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 PLC wrote:
Is it possible to have any of the following:

1. Bikers with Noise Weapons
2. Terminators with Noise Weapons
3. Noise Marine Havoks

Thanks

PLC

1. No, they don't make a model for that
2. No, they don't make a model for that
3. While they'd be overjoyed at you buying that many blastmasters, probably not.

Damn. I have 13 year old conversions for all of them....and yep, I have that many blastmasters

I know your pain, in part, at least. I have a lovely converted Predator with turret blastmaster and sponson sonic blasters, as well as having far more blastmaster armed marines than I can currently make use of, since we lost sonic weapon havoks.

And a few of the FW sonic dreadnoughts, as well.

 Quarterdime wrote:
...Did someone really assemble & paint that Magnus in under 24 hours??

Probably not. Most FLGS have had their WoM stock since Friday, some Thursday, so the painter's had at least 2 days.

Guyver 3 wrote:
If I've got it right ( maybe not) a khorne lord and his unit could have a possible 51" threat range turn 1!! Is that right?
Formation relic and army bonuses allow them to

Setup 12"
2d6 before turn 1 with the "not scout" scout move
9" move
2d6+6" charge
All with fleet

Minimum 31" range!

Well I wouldn't count the 12 inch from deployment. That's where your move starts from.
The 2d6 scout move is a move as far we know. So the talisman counts there too.
Then you move 6 and again 3
and you get to charge 6 plus 2d6 but those are rerollable.
So you're you can reach up to 42 inch from where you deployed. With a footslogging infantry unit.
Adding jump to that allows them to charge an extra 6 inch for 48, OR you can use it to add hammer of wrath attacks.
Considering you can reasonably expect to reach a unit within 32 inch, you don't really need the jump for that unit. But if you do, I'd save it for the extra attack.

So, my Crimson Slaughter army and the Supplement becomes pretty much redundant with 'Traitor's Legions'? Well, thanks GW, i guess -.-

 EverlastingNewb wrote:
So, my Crimson Slaughter army and the Supplement becomes pretty much redundant with 'Traitor's Legions'? Well, thanks GW, i guess -.-

I don't think so. Don't they have ghosts or something that attacks the enemy in battle, among other things that the TL don't have?

 EverlastingNewb wrote:
So, my Crimson Slaughter army and the Supplement becomes pretty much redundant with 'Traitor's Legions'? Well, thanks GW, i guess -.-

That's much less of an issue than not being able to make kranon anymore thanks to the faq. Which I cling to in the vain hope that it means csm are somehow exempt lol.

 Quarterdime wrote:

 EverlastingNewb wrote:
So, my Crimson Slaughter army and the Supplement becomes pretty much redundant with 'Traitor's Legions'? Well, thanks GW, i guess -.-

I don't think so. Don't they have ghosts or something that attacks the enemy in battle, among other things that the TL don't have?

They have Fear, cannot take VotLW (except Cult Marines) & have different Possessed mutations. And, as already mentioned, since the FAQ all the fun stuff (i.e. multiple Relics on 1 Character) was nerf'd,
Crimson Slaughter is basically Word Bearers with better possessed but without DP's

 EverlastingNewb wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:

 EverlastingNewb wrote:
So, my Crimson Slaughter army and the Supplement becomes pretty much redundant with 'Traitor's Legions'? Well, thanks GW, i guess -.-

I don't think so. Don't they have ghosts or something that attacks the enemy in battle, among other things that the TL don't have?

They have Fear, cannot take VotLW (except Cult Marines) & have different Possessed mutations. And, as already mentioned, since the FAQ all the fun stuff (i.e. multiple Relics on 1 Character) was nerf'd,
Crimson Slaughter is basically Word Bearers with better possessed but without DP's

Where was multiple relics changed ?

If you can't take multiple relics you can't even field Krannon the relentless since to make him you need to take 3 specific artifacts on a single crimson slaughter lord.

 Veriamp wrote:
Thanks for everything VeternNoob, just a quick question from me. In the Alpha legion army special rule cultist insurrection' is there anything that makes it different from the ability for cultist to come back like in the lost and damned formation? Unless I'm missing something using the lost and the damned is the only way to get cultists into the detachment with the warband.

That's what it looks like to me for that primary detachment bonus. Lost & damned 4-9 units cultists.

 Rydria wrote:

 EverlastingNewb wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:

 EverlastingNewb wrote:
So, my Crimson Slaughter army and the Supplement becomes pretty much redundant with 'Traitor's Legions'? Well, thanks GW, i guess -.-

I don't think so. Don't they have ghosts or something that attacks the enemy in battle, among other things that the TL don't have?

They have Fear, cannot take VotLW (except Cult Marines) & have different Possessed mutations. And, as already mentioned, since the FAQ all the fun stuff (i.e. multiple Relics on 1 Character) was nerf'd,
Crimson Slaughter is basically Word Bearers with better possessed but without DP's

Where was multiple relics changed ?

If you can't take multiple relics you can't even field Krannon the relentless since to make him you need to take 3 specific artifacts on a single crimson slaughter lord.

Well, to quote the Rulebook FAQ;

A model can only be given a single relic or artefact unless specifically noted otherwise.

 PLC wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 PLC wrote:
Is it possible to have any of the following:

1. Bikers with Noise Weapons
2. Terminators with Noise Weapons
3. Noise Marine Havoks

Thanks

PLC

1. No, they don't make a model for that
2. No, they don't make a model for that
3. While they'd be overjoyed at you buying that many blastmasters, probably not.

Damn. I have 13 year old conversions for all of them....and yep, I have that many blastmasters

Tbh with the finecast guns a lot of those conversations are easier to do now to boot. Sadly no model no rules. =(

Yeah, this is the post-Chapterhouse world we live in, or the "be careful what you wish for" timeline.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, this is the post-Chapterhouse world we live in, or the "be careful what you wish for" timeline.

The rubric termies show that gw hasn't forgotten the idea of cult termies. but they will be given rules only as they make kits for them.

I don't think gw will even give a unit rules for a gun unless it's I the kit now.

 Quarterdime wrote:
...Did someone really assemble & paint that Magnus in under 24 hours??

yeh you can do it in a day that poorly. looks like single coats maybe some washes and 0 gap filling. prob has mold lines too. cannot stand speed modeling ugh just pay someone it looks awful

Do we have any word on legions within legions? For example an army could follow the requirements for both a Black legion detachmemt and a Thousand sons detachment, I assume there is a rule only allowing a detachment to be dedicated to one legion or if there isn't they should FAQ that.

shade1313 wrote:

 PLC wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 PLC wrote:
Is it possible to have any of the following:

1. Bikers with Noise Weapons
2. Terminators with Noise Weapons
3. Noise Marine Havoks

Thanks

PLC

1. No, they don't make a model for that
2. No, they don't make a model for that
3. While they'd be overjoyed at you buying that many blastmasters, probably not.

Damn. I have 13 year old conversions for all of them....and yep, I have that many blastmasters

I know your pain, in part, at least. I have a lovely converted Predator with turret blastmaster and sponson sonic blasters, as well as having far more blastmaster armed marines than I can currently make use of, since we lost sonic weapon havoks.

And a few of the FW sonic dreadnoughts, as well.

Yeah, its a shame. But in the expanded history FW's created to the EC in 30K, the Kakophoni's were only a small part of the legion as a whole. So having noise weapon everywhere is no longer fits the background. If GW follows FW example we're not likely to see Sonic Terminators, Havoc, Predator or Bikes again. I wouldn't even hold out much hope for the Sonic Dreadnought being available for long, now that it no longer has a model. Unless FW releases a new model it'll be gone, or at the very least never updated again.

I'd be okay with something like the Palatine Blades or Phoenix Guard in 40K instead. Even just having some AP2 or at least Rending at initiative melee weapons for Characters, Chosen, and Terminators. Havocs could just be give them rending or blast.

For now though were left with "counts as". Since our chaos terminators still suck I'll just keep proxying my Sonic Terminators for Obliterators. Their different weapons are just different sonic frequencies. For Havocs and predators you just need to notify you opponent what you taking. Then you can keep the old Sonic Death flavor without ever needing to magnetized or modify you weapons, even if GW someday adds new ones.

 Lockark wrote:
I don't think gw will even give a unit rules for a gun unless it's I the kit now.

Or even if it's something that was in a previous version of a kit but not the new version. *glares at the updated Rubric entry with its lack of Aspriring Sorceror ability to swap stave for sword*

 nudibranch wrote:
Man, Magnus is swole ...


*ahem* I think I personally prefer him without the armour. Gives him that half-naked demigod look that screams "I'm so powerful, I don't need armour."

I for one can't wait to see how fabulous Fulgrim will be.

eosgreen wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
...Did someone really assemble & paint that Magnus in under 24 hours??

yeh you can do it in a day that poorly. looks like single coats maybe some washes and 0 gap filling. prob has mold lines too. cannot stand speed modeling ugh just pay someone it looks awful

Since when is a day a speed paint? A single model like Magnus shouldn't take multiple days to paint more like a multiple hours. Without multiple coats and limited detailing I could probably get him out in under an hour, with multiple coats and full details it should take just under a day.

Is it different in other places because I have only ever seen people take multiple days on painting models if they are either only doing one bit per day or if they have lots of models to get out.

V-noob, can you list the Aux formations the World Eaters have access to?

Does the formation Maelstrom of Gore allow you to take the HQ from that formation and put them in another unit outside of that formation and grant that formation +3 inch charge? I'm thinking about 20 Bloodletters with a banner of blood and the HQ with Talisman of Burning Blood. You use the banner + your 6 inch charge, suddenly you have a 12 inch + D6 inch rerollable charge one time. Absolutely nuts if it's possible.

For the World Eater relics, are any usable by a Deamon Prince? Gorefather + Deamon Prince = Knight Hunter.

 andysonic1 wrote:
V-noob, can you list the Aux formations the World Eaters have access to?

Does the formation Maelstrom of Gore allow you to take the HQ from that formation and put them in another unit outside of that formation and grant that formation +3 inch charge? I'm thinking about 20 Bloodletters with a banner of blood and the HQ with Talisman of Burning Blood. You use the banner + your 6 inch charge, suddenly you have a 12 inch + D6 inch rerollable charge one time. Absolutely nuts if it's possible.

For the World Eater relics, are any usable by a Deamon Prince? Gorefather + Deamon Prince = Knight Hunter.

You can't share formation benefits with any unit. It's also part of the updated faq. So no.
They can join to benefit from the banner though.

 Sersi wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 PLC wrote:


Yeah, its a shame. But in the expanded history FW's created to the EC in 30K, the Kakophoni's were only a small part of the legion as a whole. So having noise weapon everywhere is no longer fits the background. If GW follows FW example we're not likely to see Sonic Terminators, Havoc, Predator or Bikes again. I wouldn't even hold out much hope for the Sonic Dreadnought being available for long, now that it no longer has a model. Unless FW releases a new model it'll be gone, or at the very least never updated again.

I'd be okay with something like the Palatine Blades or Phoenix Guard in 40K instead. Even just having some AP2 or at least Rending at initiative melee weapons for Characters, Chosen, and Terminators. Havocs could just be give them rending or blast.

For now though were left with "counts as". Since our chaos terminators still suck I'll just keep proxying my Sonic Terminators for Obliterators. Their different weapons are just different sonic frequencies. For Havocs and predators you just need to notify you opponent what you taking. Then you can keep the old Sonic Death flavor without ever needing to magnetized or modify you weapons, even if GW someday adds new ones.

Well, there's still a lot of room for EC to change from the point at which the 30k timeline is at. One thing you could definitely say that the Thousand Sons kind of exemplify is being in a static condition after the Rubric was cast. Apart from sorcerers getting more and more powerful, the bulk troops of the Thousand Sons simply couldn't change in any appreciable way in 10,000 years (apart from their sorcerers upgrading their infantry small arms a bit). As you said, though, I don't expect to see any noise units beyond the regular NM unless and until there's new kits being released, which could be quite a while. As it stands, I have too many blastmasters, but I can just count the BMs and SBs on tanks and dreads as autocannons or heavy bolters.

And I built a trio of "Combat Sorcerers in Terminator armor" a while ago, with staves in their right hands and PFs on the left, to stand in as Obliterators. Ushabti as Mutilators, when I feel like using them for a change of pace.

Anyone else here think that Alpha Legion could make for a good Iron Warriors count as army with dead units of cultists going into ongoing reserve?

 mrhappyface wrote:

eosgreen wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
...Did someone really assemble & paint that Magnus in under 24 hours??

yeh you can do it in a day that poorly. looks like single coats maybe some washes and 0 gap filling. prob has mold lines too. cannot stand speed modeling ugh just pay someone it looks awful

Since when is a day a speed paint? A single model like Magnus shouldn't take multiple days to paint more like a multiple hours. Without multiple coats and limited detailing I could probably get him out in under an hour, with multiple coats and full details it should take just under a day.

Is it different in other places because I have only ever seen people take multiple days on painting models if they are either only doing one bit per day or if they have lots of models to get out.

I think that model looks pretty great and is finished to a nice tabletop standard.

Well the only source of cultists is the lost and the damned formation, which IW also have so you don't really gain anything on that front.

 EverlastingNewb wrote:

Well, to quote the Rulebook FAQ;

A model can only be given a single relic or artefact unless specifically noted otherwise.

But the codex Chaos Lord entry states

May take items from the Melee Weapons, Ranged Weapons, Chaos Rewards, Special Issue Wargear and/or Chaos Artefacts sections of the wargear list

That gives a chaos lord permission to take multiple chaos artefacts as it uses "items", plural. The sorcerer is the same.

So Chaos characters can each take multiple cihaos artefacts and the new special items are also under the heading "Chaos Artefacts" so you can take multiple of them as well.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
I think that model looks pretty great and is finished to a nice tabletop standard.

It isn't a bad model is it? People are being far too picky about things like the model's seam and shunning it for being completed quickly.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 EverlastingNewb wrote:

Well, to quote the Rulebook FAQ;

A model can only be given a single relic or artefact unless specifically noted otherwise.

But the codex Chaos Lord entry states

May take items from the Melee Weapons, Ranged Weapons, Chaos Rewards, Special Issue Wargear and/or Chaos Artefacts sections of the wargear list

That gives a chaos lord permission to take multiple chaos artefacts as it uses "items", plural. The sorcerer is the same.

So Chaos characters can each take multiple cihaos artefacts and the new special items are also under the heading "Chaos Artefacts" so you can take multiple of them as well.

No. It allows him to take more than one item from all the lists he's granted access to as a whole, as in he's not limited to a single item from all five lists. He's still bound by the restrictions presented in each list.

EDIT: This all depends on how you interpret the "Replace one weapon with one of the following:" line.

GW, in its usual dumb fashion, doesn't use consistent wording to describe its wargear. So it is entirely possible that "Relics" only apply to Space Marines as their are the only army which has "Relics".

Chaos has Artefacts, Tau have Signature Wargear, Orks have Gifts of Gork and Mork (with a clearly written rule saying they can only take one), Dark Eldar have Artefacts of Cruelty (with a clearly written rule saying they can only take one), Tyranids have Bio-Artefacts (with rule allowing for multiple if you have multiple pairs of scything talons) etc.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
There is nothing in the Chaos Artefacts section that specifies that he can only take one and he has permission, per the wording of the rules for selecting his wargear, to take multiple.

Except its covered by the FAQ. One relic only. Lack of wording in the rules does not change that.