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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... Zug goes up the day I order the two refs... did the addition of Zug remove the refs from the store?

Don't you just love artificial scarcity?

 Dramagod2 wrote:
Has anyone heard anything about fires of cyraxus? I've been on the edge of my seat for what feels like forever waiting for it and it feels like its gone cold.

Delayed until Inferno is sorted and released. Once Inferno has been taken care of, I reckon that we'll see a build up to a release in the second half of 2017...

I thought we already got the build up to fires of cyraxus with all the Tau releases we had for a while, as well as the Titan guard skitarii.

Though, I suppose they have leviathan Culln to release as part of it, and some more red Scorpions upgrades if I remember right, since everyone has cheap access to mark 4 now.

And yes, just checked, the Goblin and Halfling referees are gone. Would'a been nice to get them and Zug at the same time, but I guess FW only wants some of my money rather than all of it.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I thought we already got the build up to fires of cyraxus with all the Tau releases we had for a while, as well as the Titan guard skitarii.

Though, I suppose they have leviathan Culln to release as part of it, and some more red Scorpions upgrades if I remember right, since everyone has cheap access to mark 4 now.

I NEED Leviathan Culln
Maybe Loth will get a 7th ed Rules Update? (I swear to god if they nerf his 2++...)

They will make it something you actually have to cast, even if it only costs one warp charge.

Considering he already gets to pick invisibility and has artificer armour, if they don't nerf him a hurt a straight up better* Tigurius. He even comes with an ap2 weapon!

*Tigurius is better if he gets the powers he wants, since he can reroll for days.

Bloodbowl Refs were only available until 26 January, which is why I picked them up a couple of weeks ago

I've got a feeling they'll be available from WW though. Will keep my eyes out when I next visit.


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Also, just ordered Zug Yay Bloodbowl!

 commander dante wrote:
Oh great John French is gonna be there

Spoiler:

NOW SOMEONE ASK HIM WHY THE HELL HE DECIDED TO GO "YEAH ITS NOT A BODY DOUBLE" WHEN HE KILLED OFF ALPHARIUS!?!? (WHICH IS HIS GOD DAMMED SIGNITUARE MOVE) AND WHY HE DECIDES TO STAY AND FIGHT INSTEAD OF RETREATING LIKE HE WOULD NORMALLY DO (I.E COMPLETELY out of Character)

Rant Over
Please?

How about a fething spoiler!

You know better than that!

So disappointed in you right now.

Can we suspend or ban him?


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Oh wait, I demand a refund.

 BrookM wrote:
You forgot the dice: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/FW-Word-Bearers-Dice

If anyone is interested in these, I recommend that you get them soon. The other day I found out that the WE dice are marked "no longer available." When I asked FW about them (because to my knowledge they weren't supposed to be limited), they explained that they want to get more but were having some issues with the manufacturer. I suspect they'll return eventually, but who knows when that will be. It's possible that these are from a different manufacturer, but if not...might want to move soon so you aren't in limbo like me.

Iron Warrior dice are also absent from the site.

Or they've been event only to date.

 Peregrine wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... Zug goes up the day I order the two refs... did the addition of Zug remove the refs from the store?

Don't you just love artificial scarcity?

GW has a limited supply of bytes and can't reorder the electrons for a while.



Something feels off about those wolf sculpts in their proportions and poses. I can't quite put my finger on it but they just remind me of those 3rd party thunderwolf models people would order from the Philippines back when they were introduced in the Space Wolf 5th edition codex instead of the quality in sculpting that I'd expect to see from the HH FW line.

 warboss wrote:

Something feels off about those wolf sculpts in their proportions and poses. I can't quite put my finger on it but they just remind me of those 3rd party thunderwolf models people would order from the Philippines back when they were introduced in the Space Wolf 5th edition codex instead of the quality in sculpting that I'd expect to see from the HH FW line.

Agreed. They look... chunky. Not sleek enough.

 commander dante wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I thought we already got the build up to fires of cyraxus with all the Tau releases we had for a while, as well as the Titan guard skitarii.

Though, I suppose they have leviathan Culln to release as part of it, and some more red Scorpions upgrades if I remember right, since everyone has cheap access to mark 4 now.

I NEED Leviathan Culln
Maybe Loth will get a 7th ed Rules Update? (I swear to god if they nerf his 2++...)

He's got the 2+ already and can pick powers straight up. That's already worth the price of admission.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 commander dante wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I thought we already got the build up to fires of cyraxus with all the Tau releases we had for a while, as well as the Titan guard skitarii.

Though, I suppose they have leviathan Culln to release as part of it, and some more red Scorpions upgrades if I remember right, since everyone has cheap access to mark 4 now.

I NEED Leviathan Culln
Maybe Loth will get a 7th ed Rules Update? (I swear to god if they nerf his 2++...)

He's got the 2+ already and can pick powers straight up. That's already worth the price of admission.

No its just RAW it says "At the Start of your turn, Discard a Warp Charge blah blah blah" which is impossible, as there is now a Psychic phase and all warp charge is discarded at the end of turn
RAI for 7th is just sacrifice a warp charge point (you roll a 4, pick up 3) for the 2++

Really not liking the wolves.
Great concept, but they don't look right and I feel that £50 of that price is for fancy bases.

The thunderwolf cavs are plastic, 3 per box and half the price.
And by the looks of it, the same size if not slightly bigger, plus the benefit of being plastic, no delivery charge etc.

Hell, for £14 less you get a custodes dreadnought.
For £10 more you get a custodes grav tank.

Pricing just seems insane on them, and that's not something I complain about atall.
I can even buy a Thanatar for my army for £5 more lol.

Will be interesting to see if it's just those 2 as a HQ choice or if you can buy more of them.
Or if it's a unique or generic HQ.
If it has something like a 2-6 unit size you could be paying a small fortune lol.



Bloodbowl looks like a convincing start though.

I actually don't mind these models they look okay to me.

 Gamgee wrote:
I actually don't mind these models they look okay to me.

YMMV but at $88 USD before shipping/taxes I'd expect to more than just not mind some models and hope they'd be more than just okay.

Loopstah wrote:
Just got a reply from FW

Thank you for the email. Unfortunately the dreadnought drop pods you are after are no longer in production.

Due to extensive damage to the moulds the resins team rendered the kits irreparable. whilst we look in to the situation further we have not been given any indications on a new kit being produced or if they are going to try and re sculpt the the current kit that has recently been removed from the range.

What we do know is that It is very rare that once an item has been discontinued that it will be brought back into our range at least in its previous form.

Thank you again and sorry for any inconvenience

Looks like that's it.

Thanks for sharing that, sir. Was just thinking about getting one of these the other day after our game. Oh well.

Are the plastic Thunderwolf models similar sized to the Wolf-Kin? They seem similar from what I can see on the websites, but I've never seen the Thunderwolves in person.

I like the Wolf-Kin but not enough to pay that much when I can use cheaper plastic for them. Plus I really am not a fan of the Thousand Sons on the bases. Doesn't make sense to me as game pieces.

I have been waiting for Freki and Geri for an age and im not dissapointed. I really like them, they are bigger than I expected too!

Might have to sell those bases mind you.

So anyway to get LC outside of FWs bundle or Bop? Or eBay scalpers. Any estimates as to price of them when released?

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
So anyway to get LC outside of FWs bundle or Bop? Or eBay scalpers. Any estimates as to price of them when released?

Likely more than ebay prices, like how the mkiv and contemptor are about £10 more retail.

I imagine custodes will be 60-70 CAD per box when they come out. Like the Cataphractii was.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Something feels off about those wolf sculpts in their proportions and poses. I can't quite put my finger on it but they just remind me of those 3rd party thunderwolf models people would order from the Philippines back when they were introduced in the Space Wolf 5th edition codex instead of the quality in sculpting that I'd expect to see from the HH FW line.

Agreed. They look... chunky. Not sleek enough.

They kind of look like they started with bears, but added a wolf head and tail. I think they've tried to make them look more powerful than a typical wolf (even though they are already giant, Primarch sized wolves), so they've bulked them out, but then that has made them look less wolfy.

 warboss wrote:


Something feels off about those wolf sculpts in their proportions and poses. I can't quite put my finger on it but they just remind me of those 3rd party thunderwolf models people would order from the Philippines back when they were introduced in the Space Wolf 5th edition codex instead of the quality in sculpting that I'd expect to see from the HH FW line.

Seconded. I think I actually prefer Kabuki's take on Russ and his wolves.

Those wolves' paws and heads are too big. The jaws look like they are dislocated rather than simply open.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USFWS_-_How_to_recognise_a_gray_wolf.png
This is a rather poor showing from Forge World, given how good some of thier other monsters are.

Wow, that Kabuki model is indeed a nice alternate take

For the FW wolves, what bothers me most is the very static-looking marines on the bases... particularly the one falling over. Hopefully those are separate bits, but even so, as someone else said it does feel like you're paying for the basing... and I think it's too "specific" of basing, as well (to see every Russ and wolf combo out there have the same marine getting slain in the exact same pose).

Still, I'm a fan of Russ, although I think I'd go for a headswap to make him look a little more hardened / tough

Damn!

Kabuki really upped their game there - wow!

warboss wrote:Something feels off about those wolf sculpts in their proportions and poses. I can't quite put my finger on it...

I can. It's because they bear little relation to actual wolves in their proportions. The limbs might be thicker to look like they carry the weight of huge wolves, but if that's the case it ain't working. There are big animals with legs that don't look anywhere near as clunky - look at moose, or giraffes, or carthorses. The legs on these sculpts are just... flabby sausages, with vague lines along the thighs to say 'there are muscles here, no really' and a slight kink at the hock. There are vague bulges along the shins, which might be there to represent extra superheroish muscularity, but wolf legs don't work like that. I get what Haighus is saying about bear legs, but they're an insult even to bears! Sorry to say, but the legs - especially the forelegs - of the new AoS hippogryph are closer to wolf legs than these things. It's that bad.
The paws are nothing like wolf paws, and not especially convincing as the hands of super-soldiers transformed into wolf monsters, if that's what Freki and Geri were. (I haven't kept up with the details of HH fluff.) I'm looking at the curled-up paw of the grey wolf and I think 'what'. If I'm pushed, I'd say they look more like puffy duck feet with a kink in the toes. But actually, they're the same kind of lazy representation of a paw that's been put on WHFB wolves (and things like the mordheim bear and high elf lions) for decades.

The pose of the legs - and the whole of the bodies - are stiff, and dull. So duuullllll. I almost fell asleep looking at them. It's quite an achievement when your subjects are giant wolves leaping at enemies in battle. The forelegs are supposed to be clawing at the 1k Sons and the hindlegs are stepping forward, maybe even leaping. But there's absolutely no tension or stretching to indicate that. Maybe not entirely surprising since there seems to be no real muscle modelled on these figures; but the forelegs just seem to be pointing at the 1K Sons (no bending or splaying of the toes to indicate the marines are being raked by the claws) and the hindlegs are... just there. Like I say, no flexing or stretching. Both hindpaws solidly planted on the base. No dynamism.

The face. Glossing over the 'angry eyes', the expression of the snarling faces are vacant. Dead. Like grecian masks or something. Part of this is because, while I can see lines in the face of the brown wolf, facial muscles - like leg muscles - are more than just 'lines', and need a bit more attention than that. Especially if you're charging seventy bleedin' quid for it. Do an image search for snarling wolves and see how much the muzzle and lips can (or should) be lifted and bunched. In particular, the corners of the mouths of these sculpts slope and droop way down, more than they should for a tensed, snarling expression. Compare the mouths - and the whole face - to these photos. Might be subtle, in the eyes of some, but it's there.
What's worse is, those photos make it plain that the teeth of the sculpts follow the line of those droopy mouths. The teeth line the lips, not the jaws of the skull!
And the tongues are sticking out. Look at that first wolf photo again. It's another giveaway of something...

The other part is that both wolf faces have that same jaws-open-to-the-uttermost-extent look, despite being in relatively different poses and presumably at different points in the 'jump and savage' cycle. It's like the 'always roaring' trope that gets complained about in dinosaur art. It contributes a lot to the dead mask effect, IMO.

So. Unnatural flabbiness in place of muscle, skin and other anatomy. Dull poses. Decades-old, unrealistic GW tropes. Droopy mouths despite extreme-gape snarls, plus wonky teeth and a waggly tongue. Well, they're not reptiles, but I still smell Carden. Possibly Morrison, but more likely Carden.