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Plus infantry can simple move though walls. Cavalry has to move around or over them as there are no doors wide enough for their bases, costing a lot of movement

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:
I Appreciate the drop for Thunder cav SS but I think it’s stupid that it’s 5 and not 2 like other non characters. Especially since they can’t use terrain as well like others here have mentioned or go up levels on buildings.

TWC have a lot of wounds though. They will get far more value out of a SS than a 1-wound WG or even a 2-wound WG in TDA. I think Wulfen get almost too much value out of 2-pt SS but I won't complain too loudly.

 Karhedron wrote:

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:
I Appreciate the drop for Thunder cav SS but I think it’s stupid that it’s 5 and not 2 like other non characters. Especially since they can’t use terrain as well like others here have mentioned or go up levels on buildings.

TWC have a lot of wounds though. They will get far more value out of a SS than a 1-wound WG or even a 2-wound WG in TDA. I think Wulfen get almost too much value out of 2-pt SS but I won't complain too loudly.

Especially with the Wulfen drop in points lol.

If they botched the fast attack choises, perhaps they will come in an FAQ? The thunderwolves are there. It would be nice to see a drop in points.

 Niiai wrote:
If they botched the fast attack choises, perhaps they will come in an FAQ? The thunderwolves are there. It would be nice to see a drop in points.

A bunch of us are sending emails (politely) to uk.custserv@gwplc.com to point this out. If enough of us draw attention to it, maybe we will get it fixed.

The Wulfen don’t move fast so while they make a lot of saves they’re a high priority target that don’t often make combat let alone make their points back.

I'm happy about the points drop to WGBL and Wolf lord on thunder wolves! I really do thing the FA section was mistakenly copy and pasted from the index. I cant imagine they would reduce the cost of HQ Thunder wolves and not TWC. I'm also praying for 4~5pt Fenrisian wolves!


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I just saw that Ragnar's two wolves Svangir and Ulfgir are now 4pts! there is hope!

 Karhedron wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
If they botched the fast attack choises, perhaps they will come in an FAQ? The thunderwolves are there. It would be nice to see a drop in points.

A bunch of us are sending emails (politely) to uk.custserv@gwplc.com to point this out. If enough of us draw attention to it, maybe we will get it fixed.

I sent an email there as well. Perhaos we get it in thr faq.

 Niiai wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
If they botched the fast attack choises, perhaps they will come in an FAQ? The thunderwolves are there. It would be nice to see a drop in points.

A bunch of us are sending emails (politely) to uk.custserv@gwplc.com to point this out. If enough of us draw attention to it, maybe we will get it fixed.

I sent an email there as well. Perhaos we get it in thr faq.

Apologies, the correct email address is actually:

40KFAQ@gwplc.com

Jimbobbyish wrote:
I'm happy about the points drop to WGBL and Wolf lord on thunder wolves! I really do thing the FA section was mistakenly copy and pasted from the index. I cant imagine they would reduce the cost of HQ Thunder wolves and not TWC. I'm also praying for 4~5pt Fenrisian wolves!


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I just saw that Ragnar's two wolves Svangir and Ulfgir are now 4pts! there is hope!

Fenrisian wolves dropped to 6pts each.

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:

Jimbobbyish wrote:
I'm happy about the points drop to WGBL and Wolf lord on thunder wolves! I really do thing the FA section was mistakenly copy and pasted from the index. I cant imagine they would reduce the cost of HQ Thunder wolves and not TWC. I'm also praying for 4~5pt Fenrisian wolves!


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I just saw that Ragnar's two wolves Svangir and Ulfgir are now 4pts! there is hope!

Fenrisian wolves dropped to 6pts each.

The FA section is copy pasted from the old index

I wonder if we will get thunder hammers for our Intercessor sgts next month with the next PA book. Seeing the BA sgts get them gives me hope but I understand that may upset some people. Before anyone says it I don’t think it would replace the regular marine squads solely on the fact that you can take termies, a Storm shield, and have 2 special cc weapons in an MSU squads. I just think that it adds more punch to a unit that already has a better gun then basic grey hunters and a decent number of attacks as well as more wounds

Jimbobbyish wrote:

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:

Jimbobbyish wrote:
I'm happy about the points drop to WGBL and Wolf lord on thunder wolves! I really do thing the FA section was mistakenly copy and pasted from the index. I cant imagine they would reduce the cost of HQ Thunder wolves and not TWC. I'm also praying for 4~5pt Fenrisian wolves!


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I just saw that Ragnar's two wolves Svangir and Ulfgir are now 4pts! there is hope!

Fenrisian wolves dropped to 6pts each.

The FA section is copy pasted from the old index

FAQ is now out. Drop in points of landspeeders, skyclaws and swiftclaws, but everything else (including Thunderwolves) stay the same price. I hope as someone who really likes thunderwolves that means they'll get something nice in PA.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/8fa9c5ab.pdf

 darrkespur wrote:

Jimbobbyish wrote:

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:

Jimbobbyish wrote:
I'm happy about the points drop to WGBL and Wolf lord on thunder wolves! I really do thing the FA section was mistakenly copy and pasted from the index. I cant imagine they would reduce the cost of HQ Thunder wolves and not TWC. I'm also praying for 4~5pt Fenrisian wolves!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I just saw that Ragnar's two wolves Svangir and Ulfgir are now 4pts! there is hope!

Fenrisian wolves dropped to 6pts each.

The FA section is copy pasted from the old index

FAQ is now out. Drop in points of landspeeders, skyclaws and swiftclaws, but everything else (including Thunderwolves) stay the same price. I hope as someone who really likes thunderwolves that means they'll get something nice in PA.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/8fa9c5ab.pdf

I was glad to see stuff was fixed. TWC staying the same is disappointing but their shields dropped in 5 points so that's something. I'm looking forward to Saga of the Beast especially after the stuff Dark Angels got, a lot of their stratagems benefit Terminators and Bikes more then primaris marines. We might see stratagems focusing on TWC and Fenris wolves, also Transhuman Physiology would be great of TWC and Wulfen, if we get it!

On the topic of tactics, I'll be running my TWC with SS and PF, IMO they will still be effective in combat and ill save some points on TH in case (when) they are shot off the table. I'll save the TH for Wolf Lords/WGBL on TWC.

Jimbobbyish wrote:

 darrkespur wrote:

Jimbobbyish wrote:

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:

Jimbobbyish wrote:
I'm happy about the points drop to WGBL and Wolf lord on thunder wolves! I really do thing the FA section was mistakenly copy and pasted from the index. I cant imagine they would reduce the cost of HQ Thunder wolves and not TWC. I'm also praying for 4~5pt Fenrisian wolves!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I just saw that Ragnar's two wolves Svangir and Ulfgir are now 4pts! there is hope!

Fenrisian wolves dropped to 6pts each.

The FA section is copy pasted from the old index

FAQ is now out. Drop in points of landspeeders, skyclaws and swiftclaws, but everything else (including Thunderwolves) stay the same price. I hope as someone who really likes thunderwolves that means they'll get something nice in PA.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/8fa9c5ab.pdf

I was glad to see stuff was fixed. TWC staying the same is disappointing but their shields dropped in 5 points so that's something. I'm looking forward to Saga of the Beast especially after the stuff Dark Angels got, a lot of their stratagems benefit Terminators and Bikes more then primaris marines. We might see stratagems focusing on TWC and Fenris wolves, also Transhuman Physiology would be great of TWC and Wulfen, if we get it!

On the topic of tactics, I'll be running my TWC with SS and PF, IMO they will still be effective in combat and ill save some points on TH in case (when) they are shot off the table. I'll save the TH for Wolf Lords/WGBL on TWC.

Isn't TransPhys infantry only? TWC are cavalry.

Anyway, I hope for something good for especially TWC but I'm not expecting much because GW has disappointed me too many times already this edition as far as the Wolves go. It's the only army I own that is shelved for gameplay reasons because I view it as nonfunctional even for casual games. White Scars are just literally Space Wolves 2.0 right now (which is how I run my Wolves collection at the moment).

Pandabeer wrote:

Isn't TransPhys infantry only? TWC are cavalry.

Anyway, I hope for something good for especially TWC but I'm not expecting much because GW has disappointed me too many times already this edition as far as the Wolves go. It's the only army I own that is shelved for gameplay reasons because I view it as nonfunctional even for casual games. White Scars are just literally Space Wolves 2.0 right now (which is how I run my Wolves collection at the moment).

Shoot I didn't know it only works on infantry, at least Wulfen will get a lot out of it.

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:
I wonder if we will get thunder hammers for our Intercessor sgts next month with the next PA book. Seeing the BA sgts get them gives me hope but I understand that may upset some people.

Given that every other Marine army can now take THs on the Intercessor Sergeants, it would be very disappointing if we are not able to. Hopefully we will get the "Veteran Intercessor" stratagem too. That would give give our IPL 5 TH attacks on the first round of combat hitting on 3s. I have 2 packs of Intercessors ready to build and I am just waiting to see what wargear is available post-PA6 before I get the glue out.

Pandabeer wrote:

Jimbobbyish wrote:

 darrkespur wrote:

Jimbobbyish wrote:

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:

Jimbobbyish wrote:
I'm happy about the points drop to WGBL and Wolf lord on thunder wolves! I really do thing the FA section was mistakenly copy and pasted from the index. I cant imagine they would reduce the cost of HQ Thunder wolves and not TWC. I'm also praying for 4~5pt Fenrisian wolves!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I just saw that Ragnar's two wolves Svangir and Ulfgir are now 4pts! there is hope!

Fenrisian wolves dropped to 6pts each.

The FA section is copy pasted from the old index

FAQ is now out. Drop in points of landspeeders, skyclaws and swiftclaws, but everything else (including Thunderwolves) stay the same price. I hope as someone who really likes thunderwolves that means they'll get something nice in PA.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/8fa9c5ab.pdf

I was glad to see stuff was fixed. TWC staying the same is disappointing but their shields dropped in 5 points so that's something. I'm looking forward to Saga of the Beast especially after the stuff Dark Angels got, a lot of their stratagems benefit Terminators and Bikes more then primaris marines. We might see stratagems focusing on TWC and Fenris wolves, also Transhuman Physiology would be great of TWC and Wulfen, if we get it!

On the topic of tactics, I'll be running my TWC with SS and PF, IMO they will still be effective in combat and ill save some points on TH in case (when) they are shot off the table. I'll save the TH for Wolf Lords/WGBL on TWC.

Isn't TransPhys infantry only? TWC are cavalry.

Anyway, I hope for something good for especially TWC but I'm not expecting much because GW has disappointed me too many times already this edition as far as the Wolves go. It's the only army I own that is shelved for gameplay reasons because I view it as nonfunctional even for casual games. White Scars are just literally Space Wolves 2.0 right now (which is how I run my Wolves collection at the moment).

No, it works on all models except vehicles and servitors. So if we get it unchanged we could even use it on the small wolves
I'm hoping for power fists for the primaris characters because the DAs got a model. For sergeants the fist is expensive enough, no hammer needed

I’m hoping for Primaris Wolf Guard.
A Primaris unit with that can be customised by model rather than as a unit with full access to melee weapons and the Storm Shields.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I’m hoping for Primaris Wolf Guard.
A Primaris unit with that can be customised by model rather than as a unit with full access to melee weapons and the Storm Shields.

Not gonna happen until they release a Primaris Veterans box with all the required bits for that.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I’m hoping for Primaris Wolf Guard.
A Primaris unit with that can be customised by model rather than as a unit with full access to melee weapons and the Storm Shields.

We are more likely to get access to the Veteran Intercessor stratagem. It gives us a unit that is technically Wolf Guard but without them having to give us a more flexible kit.

Stinks that we'll probably get Primaris Wulfen first.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Stinks that we'll probably get Primaris Wulfen first.

Don’t remember where I read it but I saw a comment on a rumor site saying that a GW employee had related that wulfen size and stats were meant to be Primaris like as they knew the new edition was years in the making. Don’t know how plausible that is but I did read it. Also I feel the wulfen are totally fine as is and appreciated the points drops recently.

TheunlikelyGamer wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Stinks that we'll probably get Primaris Wulfen first.

Don’t remember where I read it but I saw a comment on a rumor site saying that a GW employee had related that wulfen size and stats were meant to be Primaris like as they knew the new edition was years in the making. Don’t know how plausible that is but I did read it. Also I feel the wulfen are totally fine as is and appreciated the points drops recently.

There was a fair discussion about it on this site and they came to the same conclusion but that was before both Angels got their unique units.

I'm wondering if I'm missing something. I know that around the end of September last year that we received a FAQ allowing us to use some of the newer Primaris stuff (Eliminators, Suppressors, etc), however I went looking today to check and it appears the FAQ is gone. I'm hoping that I'm wrong and that someone can point out what the FAQ is called or link it directly. But otherwise it appears that these units are currently illegal for us to run.

JakeSiren wrote:
I'm wondering if I'm missing something. I know that around the end of September last year that we received a FAQ allowing us to use some of the newer Primaris stuff (Eliminators, Suppressors, etc), however I went looking today to check and it appears the FAQ is gone. I'm hoping that I'm wrong and that someone can point out what the FAQ is called or link it directly. But otherwise it appears that these units are currently illegal for us to run.

I believe it's the shadow spear FAQ

It was in a general SM update together witv BAs and DAs.
We still have the points in CA and the datasheets in the boxes, so they are still legal for us

From News & rumors PA so take it with a pinch of salt.

PiñaColada wrote:
Apparently someone sent Valrak Ragnars stats and he does have the primaris keyword (he wrote as much over on B&C). So no big surprise there but it pretty much confirms what everyone suspected, new & improved Ragnar will be tied into this release.

EDIT: Wildweasel over on B&C transcribed this from a Valrak stream
"W6, A7.
Sword is Str+2 AP-4 D2
Aura that gives a 6" pile-in or consolidate if not in 3" (hard to tell exactly)
Aura: Reroll non-VEHICLE charges
Stanadard Captain/Jarl buff
Berzerk Rage: Shoack Assault is +3A instead of 1
Belt of Russ 4++"

With ten attacks on the charge he can deal some nice damage, I wouldn't send him after anything with toughness 7 or more but everything else is game, also a 6" pile-in or consolidate aura is neat. I might take him if its true, his current stats and abilities have prevented me from taking him.

Jimbobbyish wrote:
With ten attacks on the charge he can deal some nice damage, I wouldn't send him after anything with toughness 7 or more but everything else is game, also a 6" pile-in or consolidate aura is neat. I might take him if its true, his current stats and abilities have prevented me from taking him.[/size]

Pop seeking a saga to reroll wounds and even T7 targets would need to start worrying about him. With that strat, he could do about 10 damage to T7/8 on the charge (assuming no Invulnerable save etc). So he could easily solo a Dread.

No one posted a pic of the new Ragnar yet? Guess I'll have to bite the bullet then:



Huge improvement over his old model, though I'm not as wowed as by the new Ghazzy model. Definitely going to pick it up though.