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That kid being a Jango Clone offshoot wouldn't work under ye-olde Legends, because the Kaminoans were extremely careful about deviations and stuff
I'm not following this- the Clone Wars cartoon had story arcs about clones 'deviating' from the baseline. That isn't a new or recent thing that's been part of the show from season...3, with 'defective' clone '99' helping out the cadet clones in the season premiere. (the 'Bad Batch' in the last season (and this new show) is referencing this guy- its why they are 'Clone Force 99'). Iirc, they reference other clones that aren't fit as troopers as well. It just seems to be a normal part of the process.
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We don't actually know for sure that Omega is based on the Jango template (in fact, I don't think it's been made explicitly clear yet that she's a clone, technically) and she could just as easily be a part of the Palpatine's immortality project.
And in either case, her gender having been tampered with by the Kaminoans isn't all that outrageous if they're tampering with her template to achieve a goal we don't yet know. If she's part of a long line of experiments its entirely possible she deviates a great deal from her original template in order to refine the end result down to whatever it is they want.
Its also entirely possible that they've leaked Omega this early precisely because they know people would assume she's a modified Jango clone or, on the outside bet, a Palpatine of some kind - whereas she could just as easily turn out to be a clone of Mari San Tekka or something - maybe that bit where she looks out into hyperspace and smiles is literally a link to that?
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Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
Still contains the most organic and powerfully done "Vader" moment. This series left me really hopeful for Episode 3.
Hopeful for a Star Wars movie? That's some dangerous stuff right there.
It's not a movie. It's a series of animated shorts. There's definitely other contenders, but in terms of presenting a natural evolution of Anakin to Vader, for my money, nothing is quite as well done as the phantom limb scene when Anakin has his hand ripped off by a monster that has him pinned and in a panic, tries to push it off with his missing limb and succeeds.
Still contains the most organic and powerfully done "Vader" moment. This series left me really hopeful for Episode 3.
Hopeful for a Star Wars movie? That's some dangerous stuff right there.
It's not a movie. It's a series of animated shorts. There's definitely other contenders, but in terms of presenting a natural evolution of Anakin to Vader, for my money, nothing is quite as well done as the phantom limb scene when Anakin has his hand ripped off by a monster that has him pinned and in a panic, tries to push it off with his missing limb and succeeds.
The 'Episode 3' in this case would be Revenge of the Sith.
The Faithful Wookiee (crap), Clone Wars (great) down. Now onto the Ewok movies.
I’ve seen both before, and they’re pretty good for TV movies. Certainly a fondly remembered part of my childhood. I specifically remember finding Caravan in the video shop, as I previously had no idea they even existed. My mind was no less or more than when I’d previously discovered An New Hope had sequels!
Main downside to them is the Ewok costumes look crap compared to those seen in Return of the Jedi.
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Tried to watch it on my lunch break today. didn't realize it was an hour and a half. Finishing it tomorrow. Love what I have seen so far. Super cool seeing padawan Kanan show up. Even if it slightly retconned his backstory.
That was.. interesting. Parts of it were pretty uneven though.
The Squad is treated by other clones with both absolute awe and utter contempt. And that doesn't really work. Neither (imo) do their tactics and several tiers of supremacy above their normal brethren. The droid force at the beginning went from super effective to comically inept by the Squad just showing up.
They really pushed hard to match up with movie events and other background pieces, which made a few elements seem really rushed. Including the general evaluation of the clone army, and the Squad in particular. It doesn't feel like it needs to happen at this stage, especially given how absurdly loyal the 'regular' clones are.
The main philosophical thread kind of distracted me (and was reinforced hardcore in the prison cell interaction between Omega and Crosshair). Moral responsibility and culpability is basically just jettisoned, and that feels really weird. Even when the Squad makes decisions that turn out to be moral, are they just doing it because their mutations code them to disobey? They don't focus on that, but its implied several times, just like Wrecker's desire to blow things up.
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I'm curious to see where it goes (which I can't say about 'the Final Season,' which I got bored with and stopped watching because I didn't gel with the characters), but its more out of curiosity in how they deal with the background and the world building than investment in the show itself (or the characters). I also can't tell if they're going to go for a 'rocks fall, everyone dies' ending. And I'm not sure if I'd prefer it if they did.
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I'm kind of disappointed the behavior chips apparently make all the clones utterly unthinking slaves. It would have been interesting to see the clones tackle the ramifications of Order 66 more and the transition of the Republic into the Empire. As it is, all that opportunity for character development and world building was basically killed in its sleep.
I totally see what Voss is talking about on this front. There was a big opportunity here and they squandered it.
Yep. They spent so much of the Clone Wars series developing the clones as people (or at least what we're supposed to take as a representative sample of the clones) and this just brings down the thumb on the big red button marked 'nope.'
I'm now really confused how the post-war clone survivors, farmers, etc that they've shown off in Rebels and other places managed to be independent and functional, let alone active rebels.
I wasn't expecting much, given that The Bad Batch was a pretty dull arc in The Clone Wars, but this was great. Far and above what I thought was coming.
Voss wrote: Even when the Squad makes decisions that turn out to be moral, are they just doing it because their mutations code them to disobey?
I think you've got it backwards.
Their mutations don't make them disobey. Their mutations make the chip in their head less or even completely ineffective.
All Clones were chipped to obey Order 66 without question, and, outside of Order 66, to follow the orders given to them. This is why they all turned instantly, and referred to Palpatine as "My Lord" despite, up until that point, always referring to him as the Chancellor or the Supreme Chancellor. In the case of Crosshair, his mutation meant that the chip was only partially effective. In the case of the others, completely ineffective.
It would appear that both the electrical intrusions (ie. the chip) and the generic loyalty bred into the Clones goes out the window when you are dealing with a group that are said to be genetically defective. I'd probably argue that Clone Trooper 99 had the same or similar issues.
As for post-war Clones, they've had their chips removed. We saw Rex have his removed at the end of Clone Wars Season 7, and we can assume that Gregor and Wolffe had similar operations before they met up with the Ghost crew in Rebels.
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So, I really enjoyed this more than i was expecting.
Even if its gonna be The A team in SPAAACCCCEE.
Its been a while since i saw the clone wars arc with these guys in so i may have to go and have a refresher.
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Also, Those Caminoans are definitely up to something with Omega. I've a feeling she is not a genetic defect, but some sort of deliberately altered prototype. Interesting to see where that goes.
My guess at Omega. - I broadly think you're right.
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An attempt by the Kaminoans to below-the-table artificially create a a force sensitive, quite possibly based on the non-Shaak-Ti Jedi that was seen being carted away under the sheet. She's not a clone based of Jango Fett (Because that would upset the loud portion of the internet), but some other jedi.
First and foremost, a New Zealand accent like the rest of the Clones. However, that could be because she’s lived her life around them, so could’ve picked it up.
Then there’s her hair, which I find reminiscent of Palpatine’s design from the rear.
And of course her name...
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Using Freddie Prinze Jr. to try and voice a little girl is... weird, TBH. I don't think that it works for me.
I had a lot of fun, for the rest, but I kind of would have preferred to see some new characters instead of reusing once again Kanan, Guerrera and Tarkin. It makes the galaxy look much smaller, IMHO.
I know what you mean, but they are movers and shakers, personalities which help give us an idea how involved in whatever comes the Bad Batch will be.
I think it’s just a problem inherent to the media. Any story of any intended ‘historical’ weight is going to have to tie into already established characters, otherwise you risk a disconnect.
And so far, Dave Filoni has proven a dab hand at not making the established characters the core of each tale. Instead, they’re supporting roles, use to fold new stories into the existing narratives.
Kanan felt a wee bit forced, as it didn’t need to be him specifically. Tarkin? Well, we’re likely to see his climb to power, from Admiral to Grand Moff via the Tarkin Doctrine. Saw? Well he’s got a fair amount of ground to cover, and limbs to lose.
So both those characters have stories to be told, rather than just being “do you remember this character? Pepperidge Farms remembers this character” type stuff.
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