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I just had a horrible thought. What if He'stan and Lysander aren't getting Primaris models because they died in the process?
I remember there being some fluff stating that some older marines don't make it through. I think even Calgar died in the process, but was revived.

It made sense to create a new Character for IH because they didn't have a named character before. UMs have loads of named characters, so it didn't make sense to give them MORE.
But WS & RG only have their 1 named character and each of those got upgraded.
Sallies and IF also each had 1 named character. So why aren't they following the pattern?

Maybe because He'stan and Lysander are dead now?

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Very cool role with the siege captain thing I think that points towards the rumours being true about the Imperial fist super chapter tactic.

 Galef wrote:
I just had a horrible thought. What if He'stan and Lysander aren't getting Primaris models because they died in the process?
I remember there being some fluff stating that some older marines don't make it through. I think even Calgar died in the process, but was revived.

It made sense to create a new Character for IH because they didn't have a named character before. UMs have loads of named characters, so it didn't make sense to give them MORE.
But WS & RG only have their 1 named character and each of those got upgraded.
Sallies and IF also each had 1 named character. So why aren't they following the pattern?

Maybe because He'stan and Lysander are dead now?

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There was a leak of the character point list along with the profile for the new imp guy and it had lysander listed. Also vulkan has been leaked with the new sallies guy stats. Obviously its a leak and requires salt but I doubt they are killing them off

Hahaha that imperial fist marine is amazing looking. Hes like your fat shlubby dad who's too lazy to hold his gun so he just stuck it on his backpack like "feth aiming Im tired where's the clicker???"

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Wow, that Imperial Fist looks really stupid with the gun just slapped on his backpack. Looks like my earliest attempts to do conversions.

Interesting conclusion to draw from low-res art, that has big chunks of it cut from view and not the actual model kit final version.

 Galef wrote:
I just had a horrible thought. What if He'stan and Lysander aren't getting Primaris models because they died in the process?
I remember there being some fluff stating that some older marines don't make it through. I think even Calgar died in the process, but was revived.

It made sense to create a new Character for IH because they didn't have a named character before. UMs have loads of named characters, so it didn't make sense to give them MORE.
But WS & RG only have their 1 named character and each of those got upgraded.
Sallies and IF also each had 1 named character. So why aren't they following the pattern?

Maybe because He'stan and Lysander are dead now?

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Well, technically speaking all upgraded marines died. Its a necessary part of the process to die and be brought back as a Primaris.

But you might be onto something. Then again, it may just be fluff reasons. As Forgefather, Vulkan's weapons and armour would be passed down to his successor, who could be primaris. Lysander's hammer is likewise to be passed down. But, experience is something that cannot be passed on. Perhaps Vulkan considered his knowledge, resources and contacts too valuable to the hunt of the relics to risk in a procedure with a 61% chance of failure. Likewise, Lysander represents one of the oldest Astartes in existence, second perhaps to Commander Dante. His knowledge of past centuries, of warfare, and as an icon to his fellow Astartes, was probably too much to risk. OR, it could just be in defiance of Guilliman, as his Primarch Dorn did before him.

I think this is just giving in to the PC thought police and believing that the people who play their game need more representation in different body shapes and sizes. How can That One Player In Every Club self-actualize if he can't have models that represent him in the space marine range?

The only other fat pride representation we have in game is Nurgle, which brings up the VERY problematic stereotype of people who don't have thin privilege as "unhealthy" and "bad smelling."

And also Beastclaw Raiders, which plays into the other harmful stereotype that the gravitationally challenged never leave their motorized scooters and that they eat people.

I'm all for new named characters, but it would be nice if there was consistency to upgrade all existing one with new plastic models, Primaris or not

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 Galef wrote:
I'm all for new named characters, but it would be nice if there was consistency to upgrade all existing one with new plastic models, Primaris or not

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Yeah that's my thinking. For Kantor I just have this short guy whose model came out ages ago. At least give me a Primaris character.

So, that IF character seems a bit conflicted. Some useful shooting buffs, but he also wants to be a smash captain, yet lacks any capacity at all to actually get in there.


All these support pieces seem odd for space marines.

Hi - I'm Captain Hufflepants & I've just dropped in from a Disney movie to say 'hi!'

They've been revealed:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/18/fists-and-fire-new-miniatures-revealed/

The Salamander looks cool

+ a Salamander

Imperial Fist Captain, Major Chip Hazard, reporting for duty.

The Salamander's hammer looks like one of those toy inflatable hammers.

Tor looks pretty decent. I still want Signum arrays as a unique upgrade for Imperial Fists since they have them on their upgrade sprue.

I'm very happy with this Salamander. More so the fact I will finally have rules for my converted Primaris Captain, but I'll have to give him a flamer now...

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The Salamander's hammer looks like one of those toy inflatable hammers.

Or it looks like a hammer...

Tor looks pretty decent. I still want Signum arrays as a unique upgrade for Imperial Fists since they have them on their upgrade sprue.

Which upgrade sprue, the one that was there before that needed to be fixed or the new one?

We haven't seen unique upgrades for normal squads, just 'relics' that a Squad Leader can take.

GaroRobe wrote:


Imperial Fist Captain, Major Chip Hazard, reporting for duty.

That's who i was thinking of!!

GaroRobe wrote:


Imperial Fist Captain, Major Chip Hazard, reporting for duty.

Anything else is just a toy.

I don't much care for Tor's model. His face just looks off to me. If I ever get him it will be with a helmet over his mug. I also don't like how his left arm has nothing going on. Why is he not doing something with it?

 Kanluwen wrote:

We haven't seen unique upgrades for normal squads, just 'relics' that a Squad Leader can take.

The one that came out last winter. It has a piece that is straight up the Signum Array like what is on Tor's back. I would love to see it as Special Issue Wargear, at the very least.

I think the fist guy is from Lady in the Water with one massive arm.

Looks like this solves 2 rumor engines. The flaming thing on the salamander's back was from last Dec and the signum array was around page 30 of the rumor engine thread hear on dakka. Can't believe this guy has been around for 9 months...what else is just waiting around in storage at GW?!?

Make that 3 solves...the flamer gun tip from back in January.

The salamander is a slam dunk, and the Imperial Fist is fantastic bar the face (even then it’s mainly the chin).

 ImAGeek wrote:
The salamander is a slam dunk, and the Imperial Fist is fantastic bar the face (even then it’s mainly the chin).

Mine will be getting a different face. Likely one from the Upgrade Sprue or an extra Aggressor helmet.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The salamander is a slam dunk, and the Imperial Fist is fantastic bar the face (even then it’s mainly the chin).

Yeah his chin just looks fat with a lot of neck blubber in there. Looks like the face of a halfway to retirement high school teacher or board member.

He's sporting a Duke nukem level chin for sure. Wish they had given him a weapon or something for the empty hand.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The salamander is a slam dunk, and the Imperial Fist is fantastic bar the face (even then it’s mainly the chin).

Mine will be getting a different face. Likely one from the Upgrade Sprue or an extra Aggressor helmet.

While I do like it, I'm thinking one of the FW upgrade bare heads or a FW MKIII flame helmet. The mask makes you lose out on the expression.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
The salamander is a slam dunk, and the Imperial Fist is fantastic bar the face (even then it’s mainly the chin).

Mine will be getting a different face. Likely one from the Upgrade Sprue or an extra Aggressor helmet.

My primaris guys have a lot of Mk7 helmets, I think he'd loog great with one.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

We haven't seen unique upgrades for normal squads, just 'relics' that a Squad Leader can take.

The one that came out last winter. It has a piece that is straight up the Signum Array like what is on Tor's back. I would love to see it as Special Issue Wargear, at the very least.

You mean the upgrade frame that they never released because of the upside down Fist emblem?