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What a shame with the catalogue of imagery they own. It could even be a fun place to drop new images for us to obsess about potential new minis hidden in the background.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: So the Lore video was a talking head for most of it?
Pretty much
Which is ok, if painting or going to sleep. However, was very short, not really much depth and not long enough to do either (paint or go to sleep), so no good. Moreover, I can't watch it, the few pictures they do put in, instantly cut back to his head (there are some pictures behind his head but... ).
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2021/09/09 06:12:21
Subject: Re:Warhammer+ GW's Video on Demand channel
Question for anyone with the W+ substriction: Does everything (or anything at all) has Subtitles / Captions in some kind?
I'm severely hearing impaired and relying on such things when watching something, knowing that GW tends to ignore accessibility in their videos, it would be interesting if they try better with paid content.
Could have hired Darren Latham for a painting vid, plus Luetin or oculus or whoever for a lore vid, plus 3 random nobodies for a batrep, plus 12 BTS people for the work, all for a grand or two. But apparently they actually couldn't. SeemsGood.
rocksville wrote: Question for anyone with the W+ substriction: Does everything (or anything at all) has Subtitles / Captions in some kind?
I'm severely hearing impaired and relying on such things when watching something, knowing that GW tends to ignore accessibility in their videos, it would be interesting if they try better with paid content.
After having a quick look at some of the shows:
Angels of Death: yes
Hammer and Bolter: yes
Masterclass: no
Loremasters: no
Battle Report: no
Subtitles in English, German, and Spanish (although i only tested English)
Also as a note, when selecting language the selection screen gives no hint you have selected anything, but when you close the screen the subtitles are on
I don't really see how to make lore videos without having a monologue, to be honest. If it's not a stream, obviously.
Loremaster's first video was good, I have nothing to say against Wade. It wasn't a "talking head", though. Lots of official artwork shown to illustrate some key events in Abaddon's life. Which is also the way some youtuber channels do it.
It's just a story I already know, but for newcomers, it's nice to have that character presented that way.
About the future topics for the Loremaster's series, I fully expect they'll be talking about main figures / factions the same way.
It's just AoS content is lacking so far (just one battle report using the Dominion miniatures), and I'll be honest I'm more leaning towards fantasy content these days rather than 40k.
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That is what HMBC is saying, sure they could pay Luetin09 to read it, possibly even research and do all the behind the scenes stuff, but as shown with the animators, they would request he remove his channel.
And that is the part that would make it a no-go for any of the people with decent followings on YouTube. And anyone who doesn't have a decent following on YouTube, why would you be hiring them in that case?
Yeah that's true but I'm not saying they should pay Luetin to do it. I'm saying Luetin has done it, and this means that they can do it too, given that he was just one nerd with a passion, and they're a hundredmillion corporation charging thousands of nerds a monthly tithe for lore. They should be able to do it ten times over, but from the looks of it, they apparently can't.
It's a bit of a flawed argument because GW have shareholders to answer to, yes they could have big budgets but they can't just throw money away on stuff in the manner you're implying, they'd have to answer to shareholders. Youtubers don't, if they're passionate there's nothing stopping them pouring hundreds or thousands of manhours into one video.
I thought the Loremasters video was a bit of a waste of time but I think I'm probably not really the target audience, more geared at new people who might not have heard the story a dozen times already.
I'm not saying they have to funnel big dollars into this (though technically they should, if that's what the masses are paying for). I'm saying that some dudes can apparently to it (and do it very well), almost for free, or near enough, when compared to whatever GW are raking in on a daily basis (ie millions of pounds. Literally several dozens of millions per month, next to which, paying some guy $1k per month is a literal pittance).
JWBS wrote: I'm not saying they have to funnel big dollars into this (though technically they should, if that's what the masses are paying for). I'm saying that some dudes can apparently to it (and do it very well), almost for free, or near enough, when compared to whatever GW are raking in on a daily basis (ie millions of pounds. Literally several dozens of millions per month, next to which, paying some guy $1k per month is a literal pittance).
Well let's say they get 100k subscriber. That's 500,000£. Enough to pay for couple episodes of angels of death per month.
How many subscribers you btw expect W+ get? Since you say millions of pounds guess you are expecting several hundred thousand per month as a bare minimum.
And people can do it for free WHEN THEY AREN'T LOOKING FOR PROFIT.
Funny that. You can pay freely when you don't have to worry is it profitable or not. (also helps if you copy images and text from original source)
Nothing btw is free. That youtuber is paying for it in the end and if his income from product doesn't cover it he pays it from his own pocket. Individual fans can do that out of passion. Company that has obligation to do profit can't just do it for fun of it even if it means they are paying themselves from it.
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rocksville wrote: Question for anyone with the W+ substriction: Does everything (or anything at all) has Subtitles / Captions in some kind?
I'm severely hearing impaired and relying on such things when watching something, knowing that GW tends to ignore accessibility in their videos, it would be interesting if they try better with paid content.
After having a quick look at some of the shows:
Angels of Death: yes
Hammer and Bolter: yes
Masterclass: no
Loremasters: no
Battle Report: no
Subtitles in English, German, and Spanish (although i only tested English)
Also as a note, when selecting language the selection screen gives no hint you have selected anything, but when you close the screen the subtitles are on
If that's true that's genuinely shocking and, possibly, illegal. The UK has pretty strict accessibility legislation now and captioned/subtitled videos are a requirement. There are some types of content that don't need it, but the above wouldn't fall into that category, and there are some exceptions for other reasons, which likely wouldn't apply. It's especially weird that the lore video doesn't have it. Surely they're working from a script for that?
GW are looking for profit. And one guy (looking for profit), can do it better. Without the corporate megalith backing him. You're taking me far too literally here. I'm saying that some guy in a semi-detached in Ipswich, working for free (to start), then for YT ad revenue or Patreon or W/E, is doing it better. Compared to GW industries. Compared to GW corp. Compared to GW conglomerate. Doing it better, With his Blue Yeti mic and his GW sourcebooks. Doing it better. Why are you defending GW doing it worse? I thought you were a GW detractor.
/Edit - Luetin is doing it for 400 Patrons (ie maybe £1K per month), plus YT ad revenue.
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JWBS wrote: Could have hired Darren Latham for a painting vid, plus Luetin or oculus or whoever for a lore vid, plus 3 random nobodies for a batrep, plus 12 BTS people for the work, all for a grand or two. But apparently they actually couldn't. SeemsGood.
Hire 17 people, for 1-4 days work each, for £2,000, right...
JWBS wrote: GW are looking for profit. And one guy (looking for profit), can do it better. Without the corporate megalith backing him. You're taking me far too literally here. I'm saying that some guy in a semi-detached in Ipswich, working for free (to start), then for YT ad revenue or Patreon or W/E, is doing it better. Compared to GW industries. Compared to GW corp. Compared to GW conglomerate. Doing it better, With his Blue Yeti mic and his GW sourcebooks. Doing it better. Why are you defending GW doing it worse? I thought you were a GW detractor.
/Edit - Luetin is doing it for 400 Patrons (ie maybe £1K per month), plus YT ad revenue.
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Though I suspect that is GW's attitude. Instead of going all in, subsidizing the service till it can gain traction, they gave it bare minimum budget to get it's thing done and now it'll sink or swim based on that because to the GW exec that came up with it, streaming/subscription services are just a way to part money from the guillible, nothing more.
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12 editors is obviously very generous. I'm saying it's peanuts in the grand scheme. You don't have to take that (or the $ sum) as a hard number, dotdotdot
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H.B.M.C. wrote: So the Lore video was a talking head for most of it?
Pretty much
Which is ok, if painting or going to sleep. However, was very short, not really much depth and not long enough to do either (paint or go to sleep), so no good. Moreover, I can't watch it, the few pictures they do put in, instantly cut back to his head (there are some pictures behind his head but... ).
Ironically, and in my opinion, alfabusa set up the golden standard for the lore videos with the pilot one.
It has back and forths, it covers the evolution across multiple books and tries to adress any potential issues or holes.
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JWBS wrote: GW are looking for profit. And one guy (looking for profit), can do it better. Without the corporate megalith backing him. You're taking me far too literally here. I'm saying that some guy in a semi-detached in Ipswich, working for free (to start), then for YT ad revenue or Patreon or W/E, is doing it better. Compared to GW industries. Compared to GW corp. Compared to GW conglomerate. Doing it better, With his Blue Yeti mic and his GW sourcebooks. Doing it better. Why are you defending GW doing it worse? I thought you were a GW detractor.
/Edit - Luetin is doing it for 400 Patrons (ie maybe £1K per month), plus YT ad revenue.
Yeah. going by socialblade, Luetin's operating budget is about 2.5k pounds per month... so he has about 500-1000 pounds to dedicate to this whole affair. It only makes the comparison worse.
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The big problem GW faces with lore content is that fans will do a better job, for free. Most podcasters do their thing with the understanding that it is purely labour of love and their energy/passion drives their production.
It is difficult for a business to compete with that energy, and it also has a deflationary effect on pricing. Why would I ever listen to GW's lore videos when there are already 10,000 hours of GW lore done by others that is freely available?
Gregor Samsa wrote: The big problem GW faces with lore content is that fans will do a better job, for free. Most podcasters do their thing with the understanding that it is purely labour of love and their energy/passion drives their production.
It is difficult for a business to compete with that energy, and it also has a deflationary effect on pricing. Why would I ever listen to GW's lore videos when there are already 10,000 hours of GW lore done by others that is freely available?
Because not all fan lore readings are accurate? Or include non-canon sources.
Again, there is currently a whole one episode of Loremasters. You want it crunchier and more in-depth? Tell GW as well as telling us. They’re the ones in the position to change up their offerings.
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Gregor Samsa wrote: The big problem GW faces with lore content is that fans will do a better job, for free. Most podcasters do their thing with the understanding that it is purely labour of love and their energy/passion drives their production.
It is difficult for a business to compete with that energy, and it also has a deflationary effect on pricing. Why would I ever listen to GW's lore videos when there are already 10,000 hours of GW lore done by others that is freely available?
Many times its also not really about quality so much as it is about style.
Get together 5 different people and give them the same information and they can present the same information in 5 totally different ways. It might well be that of those 5 different ways no single one is the "best". However each one might resonate and work "best" for a different segment of the viewing population. This is part of why Youtube channels can "deliver higher quality" because in part its not a higher quality. What it is is a style that they've refined and practiced and built a fanbase around. That fanbase likes that style of presentation over others so they will view that style as "superior" even if it, fundamentally, isn't.
Heck some can be really popular, but actually be really bad sources of information. Being inaccurate, highly opinionated, etc... But still be popular!
And yes we have to remember that sometimes fans can be better. Sometimes they've more passion than a staffer working 9-5; sometimes fans (even if they are earning) can put in more hours because they are self employed; or out of work (other than their channel) and have nothing else to focus upon. Sometimes they have better equipment because they chose to invest more into it. Sometimes they are just more skilled at something than someone employed to do something.
We have this concept as we grow up that's fostered upon us which is that professionals are professional and skilled; when in reality they are simply people who get paid to do a job. Some will be highly skilled, some will know just enough to get by and some are totally underskilled and only get away with it through internal company politics
Gregor Samsa wrote: The big problem GW faces with lore content is that fans will do a better job, for free. Most podcasters do their thing with the understanding that it is purely labour of love and their energy/passion drives their production.
It is difficult for a business to compete with that energy, and it also has a deflationary effect on pricing. Why would I ever listen to GW's lore videos when there are already 10,000 hours of GW lore done by others that is freely available?
Because not all fan lore readings are accurate? Or include non-canon sources.
Again, there is currently a whole one episode of Loremasters. You want it crunchier and more in-depth? Tell GW as well as telling us. They’re the ones in the position to change up their offerings.
I figure they'll do it in a rough order. Starting with more simple ice-breaker lore videos designed to flesh out the basics of the setting and characters. Once they bring fans ot the same rough point, then we'll potentially see things get deeper and deeper. With a basic foundation they'll be able to say "tune into loremasters this week for an in depth look at Tyranids! If you're new to Tyranids check out the other 5 videos we've already got on them to get up up to speed on their lore before we delve into their mysterious origins!"
I also wager we could see them pair latter lore videos to new releases. "Getting the new Eldar boxed set this coming week? Check out the loremasters video that goes into detail telling you all about these new Exodite models and the history of their craftworlds located on the far rims of the Galaxy" Along with articles in White Dwarf and Warhammer Community and the codex, of course.
One competitive advantage GW could do with lore would be to interview codex writers/designers to get an "inside look" at the ideas and themes that go into a history of how a faction/race came about. GW has access to those people more so than the average fan does. So that could be an edge there.
If lore videos are going to be "pure canon" then another option would be to seriously put black library to work. Perhaps a weekly "mystery theatre" type radio program (like the old days?) that is a narrated, ongoing story. However - that's expensive.
And again that relates to pricing. Paying a team of people to script and produce shows costs them $. But I can tune into Vince Vs warhammer wednesday or Tabletop Minions Sunday show and get the same level of "expert" analysis.
Those shows may not be as directly "lore focused" as what GW is offering. But both channels are certainly experts on tabletop wargaming and the various backgrounds and "lore" of the entire hobby ecosystem.
Those are serious rivals to the product GW offers and GW will have to make serious capital investments to earn its place amongst a fairly crowded field of online content creators that are publishing top-notch stuff already.
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