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Post by: H.B.M.C.
That would make him 5th Company. 10th doesn't have a rim, and they already have the Master of Recruits.  n0t_u wrote:Well there's this.  We had this yet? And yes they tease. 
It's a terrible photo but yes it is new. Shows off that there's a lot more crap going on behind the torso. Can't tell if that's a different head though.
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Post by: -Loki-
It is. I'm looking at the other photo now on my phone. The Khorne 'horns' on the other were more ornate, and it had a white, fleshy face.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well that's good (potentially even great!) news.
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Post by: -Loki-
Im mostly wondering what the hell that gun is going to be. More like a Hades cannon? Maybe also have alternate weapons for the magnetisers amongst us?
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Post by: Moopy
$30 PER BLISTER for EACH of the marines? What the feth? Does that come with someone to assemble it and paint it for me? Last apoc had 4 to a set for about $30. Brutally stupid.
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Post by: Barzam
And nobody noticed the price for the Khorne Guts Dozer? $160 US ! Holy crap GW. I know it's Apocalypse and all, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING needs to cost as much as a FW model.
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Post by: catharsix
 Barzam wrote:And nobody noticed the price for the Khorne Guts Dozer? $160 US ! Holy crap GW. I know it's Apocalypse and all, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING needs to cost as much as a FW model.
I noticed. RIDICULOUS. I guess some bean counters at GW figured out that you could increase prices exponentially rather than just linearly...
And such a price tag for a model that's only maybe 50% cool and the other half laughably ridiculous (rather than enjoyably ridiculous, like the actual old-SKOOL GW stuff)
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Post by: SagesStone
He still needs a second gun arm though to be even more like a daemonic Guntank-Ironman baby.
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Post by: Herzlos
 Billagio wrote: The Shadow wrote: Billagio wrote:Anyone have any theories on if the Stompa will get reboxed? Im thinking about buying one, but im not sure if I should grab one now while its cheaper or wait for the rebox which will hopefully have some more bits and options.
The current Stompa is a fantastic kit, and you get tons of bitz left over as it is. I've used mine to build an Aegis, help convert up a Biker Boss and convert a Trukk into a Battlewagon. And I've still got this massive Bossplate I need to use somewhere!
Alright good to know, I was just thinking that they might add in bitz for like, a belly gun or deff arsenal or something and it would suck to miss out on that!
Buy the current one, then if a repackaged new one comes out with the bits and a price hike, sell the old one and buy a new one. Or take the old one back into GW and return it for a new one, on the basis that no-one warned you there was a new one coming out. Automatically Appended Next Post: Wasn't that last apoc book only about $30? So it's at least doubled in price?
Even from a discounter that's going to be painful
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Post by: Enigwolf
Might as well just buy more FW at this point... Oh wait, I've already been doing that.
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Post by: Redemption
The new terrain:
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Post by: IceRapture
Feth me, I need someone to sell me that eagle from the strongpoint in bits.
I don't need to tell you how awesome that thing will be for converting the Fortress of Arrogance.
Glad I traded for a Baneblade a couple days ago, now I can survive these prices and reap the benefits of more people playing Apoc.
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Post by: SagesStone
Some Xeno terrain would have been much better than Fort of Redemption II, but yeah...
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Why not a full £100 for the lord of battles? Three figures to much of a hurdle?
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
The terrain pieces where not what I was expecting, but they aren't too bad. Still not rushing to buy them, maybe next year if I finally get around to picking up a wall of martyrs.
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Post by: bit81
The scenary is ok not great but must be a fair size to warrent the price tag.
The choas super heave looks like its based on the death dealer from epic and that big box on the back will be the troop compartment I suspect around 30 troops unless its a flame type weapon in the center of the model and that big box is its coldren of molten metal
All that aside still feel like there should have been more super heavys some eldar, tau, nids, orks after all thats what this book is all about massive warfare so could have done with out the buildings for more tanks walkers
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Post by: prowla
Looks like the Aquila Strongpoint is half of the size of Fortress of Redemption, for the same price.. ?
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Post by: Redemption
 prowla wrote:
Looks like the Aquila Strongpoint is half of the size of Fortress of Redemption, for the same price.. ?
Judging from the size of the door on the right side, it's actually seems quite big. It's not going to be as high as the Fortress of Redemption, but I think it'll have somewhere around the same footprint (bigger width, smaller length).
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Post by: Kroothawk
prowla wrote:Looks like the Aquila Strongpoint is half of the size of Fortress of Redemption, for the same price.. ?
That 100% price hike is what GW needs to keep revenue flat and pay the lawyers. 
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Post by: brassangel
n0t_u wrote:Some Xeno terrain would have been much better than Fort of Redemption II, but yeah...
Xenos terrain is in the pipeline... Automatically Appended Next Post:  Kroothawk wrote: prowla wrote:Looks like the Aquila Strongpoint is half of the size of Fortress of Redemption, for the same price.. ?
That 100% price hike is what GW needs to keep revenue flat and pay the lawyers.
A price hike wouldn't matter if the models didn't sell, but sell they will.
Plus, it's still $120+ for those laughably annoying to assemble, single-pose PP Colossals. Dinky legs and all, and those are smaller than these kits.
Miniatures are expensive. Good ones anyway. They never won't be, no matter who's in charge.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
Ok, that Aquila is just brutal 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Holy feth balls!
Yes. I want that terrain. I want it all!!!
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
... this must be the first time I saw you want something made by GW this bad
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Yeah, that is pretty cool. You know what would be better? If they made a terrain piece for xenos for once.
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Post by: Wise Guy Sam
n0t_u wrote:His shoulder is black so I'd guess 10th company?
He is captain of the 5th company. Black is 5th 
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Post by: MetalOxide
Minis and terrain look pretty lackluster, oh well, at least I'll have more money to spend on Dust.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
Wait a minute... are those Servitors attached to the walls under the turrets of the Firestorm Redoubt?! If that's so, this is just spectacular. (and stupid, too, why would you leave the brain of the weapon that exposed, but whatever, RULE OF COOL!)
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Post by: JeffVimes
I suppose we have no idea of what the actual content of the book will be. Only rules for actual models? Updates on all the previous rules done so you can still play your nice converted model?
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Post by: Krinsath
Gotta watch him more. He has a soft spot for terrain, even if it is by GW.
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Post by: Crimson
Terrain pieces look cool. I hope we get rules them this time.
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Post by: Redemption
 TheDraconicLord wrote:Wait a minute... are those Servitors attached to the walls under the turrets of the Firestorm Redoubt?! If that's so, this is just spectacular. (and stupid, too, why would you leave the brain of the weapon that exposed, but whatever, RULE OF COOL!)
Seem like the usual 'skull clenching a scroll in its jaw' to me.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Nah. Total terrain junkie. Overrides every instinct I have.
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Post by: SagesStone
Who are you and what have you done with H.B.M.C.?
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Post by: Lansirill
So, anyone making odds on the Imperator/Emperor Titan being removed from the book since they don't sell a model for it? I'm also wondering if things like the Fortress of Arrogance and Plaguehammer will go out because, while they're conversions of existing models, they don't actually have kits.
As far as the price list goes... eh. Every release comes with a price hike now, I'm getting too damn apathetic about them to complain much. $160 for Chaos Lord Bellybutton-Cannon? Sure, why not. It'll probably sell almost as well as it would at $100. I'll probably buy the book as long as it's better than the last edition (awkward size and poor binding) since I'm a fan of big games. The rest? Fug it up the rear.
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Post by: SickSix
I am wondering if the imperial strong point set is going to go up in price. As of now it is actually a good deal.
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Post by: Mythal
Holy Emperor, I want that Aquila Strongpoint...
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Post by: kronk
That's kind of cool.
I guess.
*hunts frantically for wallet*
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Post by: Eggs
Those prices are pretty eye watering. It does seem that there are now monthly hikes. Not sure where the bar is regarding when does it become too much? I know I won't be buying much more if these prices are here to stay. I'd probably have bought the chapter masters if they were £20ish for the set, but a hundred bucks for four marines is beyond what I can justify paying.
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Post by: Sidstyler
 brassangel wrote:Miniatures are expensive. Good ones anyway. They never won't be, no matter who's in charge.
I don't see any good miniatures here, though.
Seriously, all GW are really good at anymore are packing bits on a sprue and achieving a decent casting quality (for their plastic kits anyway, Finecast is a failure all around). If you want gak that actually looks cool then you need to find another game.
Khorne guy's not worth $160. Laughed at the model when it was first spoiled, laughed harder at the price... never buying one. Jesus Christ, and I thought they were overreaching when they sold the plastic baneblade for just under $100, things are just getting downright insane anymore.
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
The two smaller terrain sets look decent with what appears to be a reasonable price tag. On the large terrain piece I'm not totally sold on the design and pricing really depends on how big it turns out to be. As for £95 über kits, the megalith I like the look of but may be a lil rich, the skulldozer is just bleugh even at a lower price. Masters of chapter are just very poor, dull, uninspired and overpriced.
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Post by: Snrub
Wow GeeDubs have really restrained themselves... I only counted 19 skulls on the Aquila strongpoint and 4 of them i'm assuming were skulls since its quite blurry.
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Post by: JohnnyHell
Angry Penis Bird Bunker is angry.
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Post by: Crimson
 Snrub wrote:Wow GeeDubs have really restrained themselves... I only counted 19 skulls on the Aquila strongpoint and 4 of them i'm assuming were skulls since its quite blurry.
You're implying that there could be such thing as too many skulls. I do not believe in such a heresy.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Snrub wrote:Wow GeeDubs have really restrained themselves... I only counted 19 skulls on the Aquila strongpoint and 4 of them i'm assuming were skulls since its quite blurry.
Sadly the inside walls are covered in skulls, you just can't see them.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
On the plus side, anyone who wants to build a (smallish) Imperial Navy Ship now can, using almost exclusively these kits.
I ain't saying it's gonna be cheap... but if I had the funds, I'd try.
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Post by: CaptKaruthors
The necrons have harnessed Dr. Manhattan! LOL.
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Post by: Snrub
Crimson wrote:You're implying that there could be such thing as too many skulls. I do not believe in such a heresy.
Hey i have no problem with skulls or even a lot of skulls. Skulls are kinda like the Imperiums sigil (if you completely ignore the Aquila) and i don't mind seeing lots on terrain or vehicles. I just don't need 4 or 5 on a single guardsmen is all. 
H.B.M.C. wrote:Sadly the inside walls are covered in skulls, you just can't see them.
Oh good. I'm going to reverse the walls and have the skulls on the outside then. They can be my "Aquila Skullpoint", "Fireskull Redoubt" and "Vengeance Weapons... Batt...skull...ery......".
Ugh, i need to go to bed.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Vengeance weapons skullery. The imperials are very proud of their dish-washing prowess. Automatically Appended Next Post:
404, awesome not found :(
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Can't see the photos here or on that website. The host location is blocked by my work filter.
Ah, well.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
1) The Lord of Battle looks a lot better with the alternate head. The skull gun is a little silly though...it should be bigger. It would be more in proportion then.
2) Seriously, what's with giving the LoB such stubby guns?
3 and 4) I'm a tad disappointed in the shard. It looks too...human. The old C'tans were better. I like the vault, but I think I might have to do something to the shard to make it more alien looking.
5) Is it me, or is that cannon a little droopy?
6) The side shot is better than the front shots.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Should I just post the pictures here? I've already saved them to my computer, just in case.
Nevermind, SRM beat me to it.
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Post by: MajorTom11
I dunno that Khorne Lord of Battle dude is starting to grow on me a bit...
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
 MajorTom11 wrote:I dunno that Khorne Lord of Battle dude is starting to grow on me a bit...
Same here, it looks pretty damn menacing in that last picture
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Don't host them here, it angers the Mods.
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Post by: Shandara
He better not drop the axe.. he can't pick it up then!
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
That giant C'tan monolith thingy is damned cool.
Lord of Battle is better with this other head.
Prices are daft.
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I wonder if some 3rd person parts types want to build legs for the khorne thing, so you can have a walking khorne thing and make a giant chaos tank from the tank bits.
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Post by: Brother SRM
I only host my own stuff here. I used imgur for hosting these.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:That giant C'tan monolith thingy is damned cool. Lord of Battle is better with this other head.
Yep, but his guns are still too tiny 
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Post by: Gordy2000
Is that Kharn I spy in the bottom right corner of that last photo?
If so, then the Khornemower certainly is big at least.....
Also, he has elbow skulls!
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Post by: shamikebab
Chaos thing still looks stupid imo. Necron thing looks pretty cool.
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Post by: prowla
..and there's not much 'daemon' in the 'engine'...
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Post by: pretre
Holy crud ball. I hope those new forts have 40k rules as well.
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Post by: ceorron
MajorTom11 wrote:I dunno that Khorne Lord of Battle dude is starting to grow on me a bit...
Noooooooo....
Actually great change of head tbh, better angle, more details, but I think it is still a bit meh
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Post by: Kanluwen
That gun has an eagle on it.
Glorious.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
... I don't know when, but one day I WILL have that Vault.
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Post by: ceorron
The lord of battle has a skull cannon as his second armament.
lol
For once it isn't the terrains that is covered in skulls.
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Post by: Lansirill
Okay, I would just like to point out that people seem to be liking the head with more skulls.
Lord Skellington Bellybutton-Cannon indeed.
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Post by: shade1313
Hooray! "Wall of Martyrs" terrain additions that aren't covered in dead Cadians!
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
The gun is also slightly droopy. I think the eagle needs to see his local tech-priest for a prescription
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Post by: Oaka
The terrain is nice looking, but at that price I would hate for it to have such amazing rules for regular 40K games that it becomes a must-have choice for every army (except Tyranids, I suppose).
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Post by: Maelstrom808
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The gun is also slightly droopy. I think the eagle needs to see his local tech-priest for a prescription
I think that's more of an issue with the curve of the page.
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Post by: pretre
CthuluIsSpy wrote:The gun is also slightly droopy. I think the eagle needs to see his local tech-priest for a prescription
It's a curved magazine page.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
 pretre wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:The gun is also slightly droopy. I think the eagle needs to see his local tech-priest for a prescription
It's a curved magazine page.
So it is. Still funny to at.
What do you think it is? Looks like a battle cannon to me.
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Post by: Lyell
Now,
with another head, alternative weapon options for the belly cannon and better pic quality,
the Khornemower doesn't look soooo bad after all.
But i am still more interested in the monolith.
Especially if there are optional pieces for the C'tan (i guess it is one) as well.
Sadly, in the only other picture of the inside, the entity is facing away from the viewer. (also the pic is blurry as hell)
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Post by: shade1313
Terrain pieces look nice, but small for the prices.
Shouldn't be long, then, before the similarly priced but bigger terrain pieces get a "price adjustment" to compensate.
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Post by: kronk
The Necron thingy is still glorious!
The Khorne thingy is still dumber than a bag of hammers.
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Post by: shade1313
CthuluIsSpy wrote: pretre wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:The gun is also slightly droopy. I think the eagle needs to see his local tech-priest for a prescription
It's a curved magazine page.
So it is. Still funny to at.
What do you think it is? Looks like a battle cannon to me.
That's a good deal bigger than a battle cannon.
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Post by: JeneralJoe117
It's really obnoxious how the MotC are all separate clampacks this Apocalypse release, but last one they were all packed together. Now when I want the MotC it's about £45, but I can get the old ones from the GW site for £20. It's really urinated on my cornflakes and no mistake.
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Post by: pretre
I'm guessing some kind of much bigger cannon with Interceptor and Skyfire. Possibly Apoc Stats, you know Strength D or whatever.
Of much more interest to me is the Firestorm... If I can buy two quad guns and a bunker for any reasonable amount of points in a regular 40k, I'll need some new pants.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
shade1313 wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote: pretre wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:The gun is also slightly droopy. I think the eagle needs to see his local tech-priest for a prescription
It's a curved magazine page.
So it is. Still funny to at.
What do you think it is? Looks like a battle cannon to me.
That's a good deal bigger than a battle cannon.
Looks about the same to me but then again, I have a horrible sense of scale.
Maybe a macrocannon? That was something that was mentioned in the 6th ed rule book.
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Post by: pretre
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Maybe a macrocannon? That was something that was mentioned in the 6th ed rule book.
Macro Cannon is 72" S7 AP4, Heavy 2 Large Blast. Meh.
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Post by: BrookM
It will probably be more along the lines of the Hell Hammer cannon or something like that, you need to promote those big-ass templates after all.
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Post by: Krinsath
Looking it over the terrain isn't an automatic pass for me, so that's improvement on new releases from GW (sadly).
I'll need to see better pics before I can really decide if I want to expand my Wall o' Dead Cadians, but those quad guns do look tempting...
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Post by: ceorron
pretre wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:Maybe a macrocannon? That was something that was mentioned in the 6th ed rule book.
Macro Cannon is 72" S7 AP4, Heavy 2 Large Blast. Meh.
Actually can't be that, can't fire at flyer with blast weapons. Probably something new maybe. Looks possible from the angle but could be anti spacecraft this is apoc after all.
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Post by: Redemption
Who says it can fire at flyers? Looks like a large barrage weapon to me, probably with the apocalypse templates.
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Post by: clively
I have to admit that I like that the new terrain pieces have fewer skulls. Spray paint and dry brushing was all I had the patience for on the big wall of martyrs kit.
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Post by: Snrub
Kanluwen wrote:That gun has an eagle on it.
Glorious.
I might sig that if you don't mind.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Go for it, Snrub.
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Post by: JOHIRA
So what's the deal with the Khornedozer's left hand? Please tell me that it's a weapon that allows him to ROCKET SKULL PUNCH! his enemies.
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Post by: BrotherVord
Ehhh I am usually one to need the next cool thing...but these terrain pieces leave me wanting something more, and for $20.00 less...same thing with the khorne engine...just, blah.
The necron monolith is the only thing that wows me.
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Post by: oni
AHHH! DAMN IT!
I was hoping I wouldn't want to buy the new terrain kits as they're most likely geared to Apoc and I'm not an Apoc player, but feth me if they aren't absolutely incredible... [sigh] Looks like I'll be loosening the wallet strings a bit to buy all three.
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Post by: DarthSpader
that green thing in the middile of the necron model looks sort of like Carnage.... but green. or is that just me?
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
 DarthSpader wrote:that green thing in the middile of the necron model looks sort of like Carnage.... but green. or is that just me?
Yeah, that's what I thought. Way too humanoid for a C'tan imo.
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
CthuluIsSpy wrote: DarthSpader wrote:that green thing in the middile of the necron model looks sort of like Carnage.... but green. or is that just me?
Yeah, that's what I thought. Way too humanoid for a C'tan imo.
I don't see what you mean by 'too humaniod' when has there ever been a C'Tan model released that wasn't humanoid?
Frankly this model actually looks more like an alien energy being which is much better imo than the old models which are simply big floating guys in cloaks.
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Post by: Davespil
Holy crap that monolith looks amazing. GW will be getting my money for 1. That C'tan in the middle looks fething awesome. AND it can leave the monolith and wreck gak on its own? I insist GW. Take my hard earned money.
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Wow, didn't know they censored us on this site... I wondered why people would use the word fething. Now I know. Is fething really a word or made up like fracking from that stupid show? Also, would I be kicked for bypassing the censorship and using vulgar language?
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Post by: Bloodhorror
feth is the word they use in Gaunts Ghosts.
Along with Gak which is "crap"
That's all afaik
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
 Ctan_Overlord wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote: DarthSpader wrote:that green thing in the middile of the necron model looks sort of like Carnage.... but green. or is that just me?
Yeah, that's what I thought. Way too humanoid for a C'tan imo.
I don't see what you mean by 'too humaniod' when has there ever been a C'Tan model released that wasn't humanoid? Frankly this model actually looks more like an alien energy being which is much better imo than the old models which are simply big floating guys in cloaks.
The old C'tan were certainly humanoid, but there was something about them that was unnatural. The nightbringer had that emancipated frame and those long distended fingers, and the Deceiver had that weird head and those tendrils. The new C'tan is just some naked green guy. Don't get me wrong, I like the vault and the C'tan looks ok, I was just expecting a little something more than green Doctor Manhatten.
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Post by: Harriticus
The hell is this thing? Some kind of C'tan?
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Yeah, it's a C'tan shard.
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Post by: BrotherGecko
Has anyone else noticed that the pod things on the side of the Tesseract have some sort of Canoptek looking thing? They clearly have heads and little grasping talons. I wonder if those will be some form of attack?
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Post by: Sasori
They really outdid themselves with the Tesseract Vault. My god, that thing is awesome!
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Post by: pretre
Wow. That thing looks great!
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Post by: kronk
If it was a woman, I'd suck in my gut and lie to it about how much money I make.
It's a thing of beauty.
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Post by: shade1313
Time to start looking through bits, to find stuff to spiffy Dr. Manhattenkhamen up a bit.
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Post by: Lansirill
The Vault does look pretty awesome, and it might even be worth the money if (IF) it's designed well. If it's relatively easy to convert it between open and closed configurations, and those little things that are hanging onto the sides are detachable, I think it might be worth my money. That's some hefty wish-listing on my part though.
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
 BrotherGecko wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the pod things on the side of the Tesseract have some sort of Canoptek looking thing? They clearly have heads and little grasping talons. I wonder if those will be some form of attack?
Yeah I see what you mean, they seem to be posed differently on different sides too.
I doubt they are for attacking but maybe the Vault has some more advanced repair systems or something like that
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Barzam wrote:And nobody noticed the price for the Khorne Guts Dozer? $160 US ! Holy crap GW. I know it's Apocalypse and all, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING needs to cost as much as a FW model.
The Necron Money Vault is also $160!?!
Masters of the Chapter was $35 for 4 models in 2007, the new Masters models cost $89 for all 4 just six years later. It's outrageous and blatant gouging trying to boost the profit margin so high on those models when they could have done a box set of all 4 new models for a reasonable price. The Baneblade was $95 when first released in Oct. 2007, even with the additional turret sprue added to the new packaging it's going to be tough on customers at $140. I think if they would have raised the price $10 for the additional turret sprue no one would have balked, but $140 means they are basically charging what they charge for single Baneblade sprues on their website to include it in the boxed set. I have multiple Baneblades thanks to the original pricing, flea markets and some other lucky opportunities, there's no way I'd even think of having so many at $140.
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Post by: reds8n
I believe the leeches are what help control the C'tan and repair the prison itself.
.. judging by what one can read of the text.
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Post by: Ma55ter_fett
I might be inclined to buy a small necron force just so I can field that vault.
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Post by: dragqueeninspace
Some one at GW has been watching old episodes of andromeda I'll bet.
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Post by: Hulksmash
Is the terrain plastic? If yes then I'm unfortunately sold on it. If no then it'll be easier to say no two. Except that I love the smaller pieces.......
Khorne lord looks pretty cool to me but it's to skull heavy since I'd want to make it an Iron Warrior seige engine. Picked up an extra stormlord/whatever superheavy since I'm not really interested in the baneblade and I'm not down with paying $25 more for the one tank I want. I'm not like a certain someone and need a super heavy detachment
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Post by: pretre
 Hulksmash wrote:Is the terrain plastic? If yes then I'm unfortunately sold on it. If no then it'll be easier to say no two. Except that I love the smaller pieces.......
Has GW released non-plastic terrain in the last 10-15 years?
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Post by: VermGho5t
Damn, both of those look great. I suppose I should start o warm up my airbrush.
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Post by: Hulksmash
pretre wrote: Hulksmash wrote:Is the terrain plastic? If yes then I'm unfortunately sold on it. If no then it'll be easier to say no two. Except that I love the smaller pieces.......
Has GW released non-plastic terrain in the last 10-15 years?
Thought the wall of matyrs stuff wasn't plastic. Is it? Cause then I'm doubly boned.....Man, I need to stop reading dakka while I'm away for work and making almost twice my normal rate.....
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Hulksmash wrote: pretre wrote: Hulksmash wrote:Is the terrain plastic? If yes then I'm unfortunately sold on it. If no then it'll be easier to say no two. Except that I love the smaller pieces.......
Has GW released non-plastic terrain in the last 10-15 years?
Thought the wall of matyrs stuff wasn't plastic. Is it? Cause then I'm doubly boned.....Man, I need to stop reading dakka while I'm away for work and making almost twice my normal rate.....
Wall of Martyrs - Imperial Defence Line
Key to any fortification, the Imperial Defence Line allows troops protection against the oncoming hordes.
The Imperial Defence Line can be combined with the Wall of Martyrs scenery range including the Imperial Bunker, and the Imperial Defence Emplacement. The only limit to how big your Wall of Martyrs set can be is your imagination (and probably the size of your gaming table).
This plastic kit contains 14 components and comes supplied unpainted and requires assembly - we recommend using Citadel Plastic Glue and Citadel Paints.
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Post by: mattyrm
The necron gak is quality, I'm not as keen on the LOB though, he proper looks like a kids toy to me, like an Autobot if it was broken and welded back together by a team of drug addled gothic fabricators.
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Post by: catharsix
 Sasori wrote:They really outdid themselves with the Tesseract Vault. My god, that thing is awesome!
They had to, to make up for the ridiculousness of the Khornemower. And, Flayed ones aside, there are really no bad models in the Necron range, (if you ask me). Good to see that they kept that up.
-C6
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Post by: mattyrm
 catharsix wrote: Sasori wrote:They really outdid themselves with the Tesseract Vault. My god, that thing is awesome!
They had to, to make up for the ridiculousness of the Khornemower. And, Flayed ones aside, there are really no bad models in the Necron range, (if you ask me). Good to see that they kept that up.
-C6
I agree entirely on all points. The mower sucks, the flayed ones are awful, and the necrons have gone right up to being one of the best looking armies you can get.
I might even break my one army rule......
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Post by: Hulksmash
Well I'll be darned....That's going to end poorly for me
Reading is good!
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Post by: Enigwolf
Looking closely at the Tess Vault, it looks like it had split down the middle and opened up to reveal the C'tan (are we even sure that it's a C'tan? Could it be a pre-Necronification Necron?
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Post by: pretre
 Enigwolf wrote:Looking closely at the Tess Vault, it looks like it had split down the middle and opened up to reveal the C'tan (are we even sure that it's a C'tan? Could it be a pre-Necronification Necron?
Read the text on the side of the pic, it's a C'tan.
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Post by: Sasori
Enigwolf wrote:Looking closely at the Tess Vault, it looks like it had split down the middle and opened up to reveal the C'tan (are we even sure that it's a C'tan? Could it be a pre-Necronification Necron?
it's a C'tan for sure. I think it's a "Transcendent Shard"
Hard to make out though.
It looks like it can be used as part of the vehicle, then perhaps it can be unleashed on it's own?
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Post by: Obsidorox
I wonder if the necron vault closes with the C'tan inside. If so, I'd love to motorize that model so it opens and closes at the push of a button.
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Post by: JOHIRA
I love the concept of the Tesseract Vault, love the C'tan shard in the middle, but I think the walls on the outside just don't work. At all.
I expect they're there to make it a dual kit (as in, the closed form is a different super-heavy), but the way it ends up looking to me is that it looks even more like a kid's toy than the Lord of Battle. The more I look at the tiny wall profiles and the spindly struts that hold them up, the more I think this kit should be mounted on a pistol grip with a spring-loaded trigger that when pulled, makes the walls pop open and spins them around. WHEEEEEE!!!!!!!
It's not bad, it's just so much less than it could have been. Once again, I think GW's models have been undermined by the corporate pressure to make them more profitable.
I think what would have looked better would have been keeping the inner core as is, but then setting around it rings like the arcing struts on the Necron Sentry pylon. Perhaps have Canoptec Spyders clinging to the arcs engaged in repair and maintenance.
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Post by: mattyrm
Obsidorox wrote:I wonder if the necron vault closes with the C'tan inside. If so, I'd love to motorize that model so it opens and closes at the push of a button.
Far beyond my thuggish and crude modelling skills, but a fething mint idea!
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Post by: timd
 BrassScorpion wrote:
Masters of the Chapter was $35 for 4 models in 2007, the new Masters models cost $89 for all 4 just six years later. It's outrageous and blatant gouging trying to boost the profit margin so high on those models when they could have done a box set of all 4 new models for a reasonable price.
The older Masters of the Chapter set is STILL $33 for four.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1600048a
Very glad I bought them in metal when the Finecast scare started...
T
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Post by: Rayvon
 mattyrm wrote:Obsidorox wrote:I wonder if the necron vault closes with the C'tan inside. If so, I'd love to motorize that model so it opens and closes at the push of a button.
Far beyond my thuggish and crude modelling skills, but a fething mint idea!
you gotta love it, some people are moaning about stuff being too much like a toy and there are some of us trying to make it even more like a toy with moving parts !!
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Post by: mattyrm
By the way.. those of you wishing for more xeno terrain may have just had your prayers answered....
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1877613212/28mm-wargaming-sci-fi-trenches-and-emplacements-te
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Post by: Seneca
All hail to the green tentacle lord!!!!
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Post by: haroon
That ctan has been hitting the gym, check out those abs.
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Post by: shade1313
Sasori wrote: Enigwolf wrote:Looking closely at the Tess Vault, it looks like it had split down the middle and opened up to reveal the C'tan (are we even sure that it's a C'tan? Could it be a pre-Necronification Necron?
it's a C'tan for sure. I think it's a "Transcendent Shard"
Hard to make out though.
It looks like it can be used as part of the vehicle, then perhaps it can be unleashed on it's own?
Or, they just gave us a third model of a C'Tan shard, usable by those who build the Vault in its closed configuration.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
shade1313 wrote: Sasori wrote: Enigwolf wrote:Looking closely at the Tess Vault, it looks like it had split down the middle and opened up to reveal the C'tan (are we even sure that it's a C'tan? Could it be a pre-Necronification Necron?
it's a C'tan for sure. I think it's a "Transcendent Shard"
Hard to make out though.
It looks like it can be used as part of the vehicle, then perhaps it can be unleashed on it's own?
Or, they just gave us a third model of a C'Tan shard, usable by those who build the Vault in its closed configuration.
Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. I might go for the opened variant; I already have the nightbringer.
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Post by: Enigwolf
I'm wondering if the original sculptor meant them to be tentacles, or energy flares...
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Post by: Obsidorox
 Rayvon wrote: mattyrm wrote:Obsidorox wrote:I wonder if the necron vault closes with the C'tan inside. If so, I'd love to motorize that model so it opens and closes at the push of a button.
Far beyond my thuggish and crude modelling skills, but a fething mint idea!
you gotta love it, some people are moaning about stuff being too much like a toy and there are some of us trying to make it even more like a toy with moving parts !!
Well, In that case I need to add spring loaded cannons that shoot scarab projectiles and a poor quality speaker that makes the transformer metallic transform sound while the led's turn on
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Post by: happygolucky
To be fair though it does look like a Engineer or space Jockey from Aliens
To be fair if its a C'tan and not and original Necrntyr then I prefer this to the finecost versions although that would be so awesome if that was the original form of a Necron IMHO..
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Post by: shade1313
Enigwolf wrote:
I'm wondering if the original sculptor meant them to be tentacles, or energy flares...
I'm thinking energy flares. I'm also thinking that it might look better if the central body portion were painted either a couple shades lighter, or darker, than the flares. Get some thing to differentiate between the body and the flares/arcing.
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Post by: Sir Samuel Buca
Didn't see anyone post this link (I may have missed it though) full release list with US$ prices.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/06/40k-news-apocalypse-product-list.html
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Post by: Breotan
 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:Didn't see anyone post this link (I may have missed it though) full release list with US$ prices.
Days and pages late, my friend.
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Post by: -DE-
"How about a nice chianti?"
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Post by: Kroothawk
I still find the Khornedozer stupid, he still can't reach the floor with his cc weapon.
Not sure about Dr. Manhattan and the open and almost empty monolith box, that doesn't make sense to me. Good thing that it costs more than I am willing to pay for such a model. For that price I can get better things from Forge World.
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Post by: shade1313
The open Vault has a crapton of detailing on the inside walls, and the C'Tan containment bits for Dr. Manhattankhamen look pretty good, too.
Gonna be a pup's mother to transport the open configuration, though.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Pins of War posted the Apocalypse price list today and nicely credited Dakkadakka for it at: http://pinsofwar.com/rumoured-apocalypse-price-list/?fb_source=pubv1 The Necron Money Vault is cool, but I'm not too sure if I like it enough to drop the $160 for it. I was hoping these models would be at or below $150 at the most. The Khorne Lord Of Profits appears to have at least two options for both arms, the head and the belly gun, so I'm probably going to get one of those in spite of the cost, Chaos being my favorite collection. I'll also likely be looking for a discount on that one. How long before we get our first $200-$250 model from GW? They are rapidly approaching their Forge World prices and in some cases in the past couple years FW models have already proven to be as or more economical.
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Post by: oni
I'm curious to know how the new terrain kits link up / fit with the Wall of Martyrs? They look a lot bigger, like they may dwarf the other pieces by a good bit.
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Post by: shade1313
 oni wrote:I'm curious to know how the new terrain kits link up / fit with the Wall of Martyrs? They look a lot bigger, like they may dwarf the other pieces by a good bit.
It'd be nice if we got some of the other pics from the battle report and the product splash pages. There's probably pictures of them linked to the end of a WoM.
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Post by: Lansirill
pretre wrote: Hulksmash wrote:Is the terrain plastic? If yes then I'm unfortunately sold on it. If no then it'll be easier to say no two. Except that I love the smaller pieces.......
Has GW released non-plastic terrain in the last 10-15 years?
They made some resin urban rubble barricades for Imperial and Orks back when Cities of Death was released I believe.
Or you could go the ' FW is GW' route that people like to do for talking about using Forge World rules in regular 40k games... that'd be a bit more snarky than sincere though.
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Post by: pretre
Aha, forgot about the ork barricades. Those things are wicked cool.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
Those prices sure make FW more attractive. I already have my one baneblade, was considering the stormlord, or whichever variant it was with the vulcan mega-bolter and transport capacity, but if it's going to cost me $160 ($190 if my store didn't match US prices), I'll just go with a Macharius variant, or a Valdor Tank Hunter.
The rulebook and SM characters are also impressively expensive. Actually makes me want to grab the old master of the chapter before they rebox them, as they're, in my opinion, better looking models.
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Post by: Enigwolf
 Lansirill wrote:pretre wrote: Hulksmash wrote:Is the terrain plastic? If yes then I'm unfortunately sold on it. If no then it'll be easier to say no two. Except that I love the smaller pieces.......
Has GW released non-plastic terrain in the last 10-15 years?
They made some resin urban rubble barricades for Imperial and Orks back when Cities of Death was released I believe.
Or you could go the ' FW is GW' route that people like to do for talking about using Forge World rules in regular 40k games... that'd be a bit more snarky than sincere though.
FW no longer produces "terrain" as a line persay, only the Zone Mortalis boards, the other big boards, and some small things like the tank entrenchment. A lot of the things like the Hydra Flak Emplacement (one of which Peregrine has beautifully painted up) are gone.
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Post by: shade1313
Interesting looking guns on the Vengeance Weapons Battery. Wonder what they are?
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Post by: Breotan
 MajorStoffer wrote:Those prices sure make FW more attractive. I already have my one baneblade, was considering the stormlord, or whichever variant it was with the vulcan mega-bolter and transport capacity, but if it's going to cost me $160 ($190 if my store didn't match US prices), I'll just go with a Macharius variant, or a Valdor Tank Hunter.
Or you could just buy it now at $138.50 Can/$115 US and save yourself a few bucks.
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Post by: Lost&Found
Its one of the lost Primarchs!
It was more than just Chaos that stole them away.
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Post by: lukanwhitehouse
I'm not really a Khorne fan (even though I collect CSM and Daemons and I have Khorne forces with some Bloodcrushers on the way) but I kinda like the Khorne-mobile. It's funky, different and certainly makes an impression. Plus you non-Chaos players will go right for it just because of how it looks so there's a tactical advantage too. As for the new Necron machine... I'm glad that my nephew wants to start a Necron Army :p
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
That eagle cannon seems like the right size and shape to make for an excellent defense laser on scratch build Emperor Titans.
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Post by: pretre
Imperial GW assassins are currently attempting to locate the leaker by his fingernails, as seen in the Aquila Strongpoint pic.
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Post by: Enigwolf
lukanwhitehouse wrote:I'm not really a Khorne fan (even though I collect CSM and Daemons and I have Khorne forces with some Bloodcrushers on the way) but I kinda like the Khorne-mobile. It's funky, different and certainly makes an impression. Plus you non-Chaos players will go right for it just because of how it looks so there's a tactical advantage too. As for the new Necron machine... I'm glad that my nephew wants to start a Necron Army :p
If that happens I'll just scratchbuild or kitbash something better looking than that pathetic excuse of an enlarged Chaos Space Marine with a multi-barrelled gun for a belly button fused to a bulldozer.
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Post by: polskadude
any stats for the Necron tesseract vault? Did white dwarf publish them, or will they only be in the new Apoc Book?
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Post by: pretre
polskadude wrote:any stats for the Necron tesseract vault? Did white dwarf publish them, or will they only be in the new Apoc Book?
Unknown at this time.
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Post by: Mythal
Y'know, up to now, I'd never considered the fact that the Can't Ally marker on the Allies table is called Come the Apocalypse...
The Necron Vault looks fantastic - and, to be fair, the Khornemower doesn't look much stupider than an Imperator (and that ambulatory anachronism remains one of my favourite model designs). And dat Eaglegun...
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Post by: Enigwolf
Mythal wrote:Y'know, up to now, I'd never considered the fact that the Can't Ally marker on the Allies table is called Come the Apocalypse...
Are you implying that... that... GW might actually allow us to bypass the allies table in Apocalypse? *gasp*
Mythal wrote:The Necron Vault looks fantastic - and, to be fair, the Khornemower doesn't look much stupider than an Imperator (and that ambulatory anachronism remains one of my favourite model designs). And dat Eaglegun...
Like, an Imperator Titan? I actually like the design of the Imperator. It looks decently imposing and hefty, I'd be pretty scared watching one come at me. I'd laugh at the Khornedozer.
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Post by: Mythal
Enigwolf wrote:Mythal wrote:Y'know, up to now, I'd never considered the fact that the Can't Ally marker on the Allies table is called Come the Apocalypse...
Are you implying that... that... GW might actually allow us to bypass the allies table in Apocalypse? *gasp*
Well, I pretty much assumed they wouldn't use the allies table, given the purpose of Apocalypse, but given that folks have been quoting the allies table when declaiming that their army can't even access super-heavy models through allies, I figured I'd missed something. It was more that I was surprised GW were pithy enough to include the reference in the BRB, and surprised at myself for not noticing it sooner.
Mythal wrote:The Necron Vault looks fantastic - and, to be fair, the Khornemower doesn't look much stupider than an Imperator (and that ambulatory anachronism remains one of my favourite model designs). And dat Eaglegun...
Like, an Imperator Titan? I actually like the design of the Imperator. It looks decently imposing and hefty, I'd be pretty scared watching one come at me. I'd laugh at the Khornedozer.
See, I'm not particularly enamoured of the Khornate Titan, but it's design, to me, is no more anachronistic than some designs I do like. So my dislike for it is aesthetic, and not a function of the fact its CCWs can't reach the ground, etc.
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Post by: pretre
Mythal wrote:Y'know, up to now, I'd never considered the fact that the Can't Ally marker on the Allies table is called Come the Apocalypse...
I always thought this was pretty clever.
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Post by: BaconUprising
GW, stop wasting your time on apocalypse! Leave that to Forge World who do it far better. Just get on and do me some goddam plastic greater daemon sculpts!!!
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Post by: Jackmojo
My only issue with the Khorne machine is it not being called a Deathdealer when that is so clearly what it is...
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Post by: Enigwolf
 Jackmojo wrote:My only issue with the Khorne machine is it not being called a Deathdealer when that is so clearly what it is...
Doesn't have the dozerblade.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Jackmojo wrote:My only issue with the Khorne machine is it not being called a Deathdealer when that is so clearly what it is...
Because...it's a Lord of Battle, not a deathdealer? 
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Post by: shade1313
Yep, gun moved from mouth to belly, other than that, it clearly is more LoB than DD.
Should be easy as pie to convert to a DD, for those that must have that instead, though.
I'm just going to let it sit on the shelves and worry more about converting Helturkeys into Doomwings.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
The eagle howitzer mount would have been a perfect frame for my 75mm scale Golden Throne scratchbuilt, but too late... Damn. Also, I would have balked at spending a 90 euro kit for that diorama.
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Post by: brassangel
BrassScorpion wrote: Barzam wrote:And nobody noticed the price for the Khorne Guts Dozer? $160 US ! Holy crap GW. I know it's Apocalypse and all, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING needs to cost as much as a FW model.
The Necron Money Vault is also $160!?!
Masters of the Chapter was $35 for 4 models in 2007, the new Masters models cost $89 for all 4 just six years later. It's outrageous and blatant gouging trying to boost the profit margin so high on those models when they could have done a box set of all 4 new models for a reasonable price. The Baneblade was $95 when first released in Oct. 2007, even with the additional turret sprue added to the new packaging it's going to be tough on customers at $140. I think if they would have raised the price $10 for the additional turret sprue no one would have balked, but $140 means they are basically charging what they charge for single Baneblade sprues on their website to include it in the boxed set. I have multiple Baneblades thanks to the original pricing, flea markets and some other lucky opportunities, there's no way I'd even think of having so many at $140.
So don't buy it.
Enigwolf wrote:lukanwhitehouse wrote:I'm not really a Khorne fan (even though I collect CSM and Daemons and I have Khorne forces with some Bloodcrushers on the way) but I kinda like the Khorne-mobile. It's funky, different and certainly makes an impression. Plus you non-Chaos players will go right for it just because of how it looks so there's a tactical advantage too. As for the new Necron machine... I'm glad that my nephew wants to start a Necron Army :p
I am now rather sad I had to part with my Necrons. :(
If that happens I'll just scratchbuild or kitbash something better looking than that pathetic excuse of an enlarged Chaos Space Marine with a multi-barrelled gun for a belly button fused to a bulldozer.
Yeah! Because getting the raw materials, the sculpting tools and/or machine shop, spending months building something that will look random-interwebs-dude wonky and players will have to ask what it is or does as opposed to spending infinitely less time (and not a lot less money) to have the real thing is a way better idea.
Enigwolf wrote:Mythal wrote:Y'know, up to now, I'd never considered the fact that the Can't Ally marker on the Allies table is called Come the Apocalypse...
Are you implying that... that... GW might actually allow us to bypass the allies table in Apocalypse? *gasp*
Mythal wrote:The Necron Vault looks fantastic - and, to be fair, the Khornemower doesn't look much stupider than an Imperator (and that ambulatory anachronism remains one of my favourite model designs). And dat Eaglegun...
Like, an Imperator Titan? I actually like the design of the Imperator. It looks decently imposing and hefty, I'd be pretty scared watching one come at me. I'd laugh at the Khornedozer.
Why are people assuming GW tried to make something amazing and just failed? They made it look campy because it's an homage to a throwback from the days of Epic. It's a 40k scale epic model, made highly detailed and slightly less goofy, but with the same overall feel.
The four people calling it a Khornemower are in the minority. It will sell like crazy.
The Tesseract Vault is simply amazing. For those who don't like the green: paint it something else. /problem
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
What a difference a second head makes. Such a significant improvement over the horrid first one. The Money Vault is fantastic. And damn the Eagle Cannon bunker is huge! Sasori wrote:They really outdid themselves with the Tesseract Vault. My god, that thing is awesome!
Easily the most creative thing they've done in months. What the hell took 'em so long? catharsix wrote:And, Flayed ones aside, there are really no bad models in the Necron range
Yeah there are some.
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Post by: Breotan
 happygolucky wrote:
To be fair though it does look like a Engineer or space Jockey from Aliens.
No it doesn't. It looks, as others have pointed out, like Captain Manhattan from Watchmen.
Actually had to search for a pic that wasn't photo bombed by a pipe (if you know what I mean).
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Post by: Enigwolf
Anyone given thoughts as to the Bombardment Cube?
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Post by: Compel
I'm assuming it'll be some fancy dice cube with symbols on it, due to the objective marker dice not sellling as well as I imagine GW thought. So, GW blamed the tin, rather than everything else about them...
I imagine.
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Post by: shade1313
It'll be a gimicky cube of dice.
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Post by: rigeld2
Transparent scatter die with 2d6 of different colors inside.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
You know what I noticed first with the terrain? no dead cadians. they won't fit the aesthetic of of the wall o' dead cadians very well, and look that much better for it.
If they're useable in normal games, I might get the redoubt for my Krieg, as I can't stand the dead cadians of the normal line.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
shade1313 wrote:
Yep, gun moved from mouth to belly, other than that, it clearly is more LoB than DD.
Should be easy as pie to convert to a DD, for those that must have that instead, though.
I'm just going to let it sit on the shelves and worry more about converting Helturkeys into Doomwings.
From th sound of it, the two designs have merged, with the Lord of Battles and Deathdealer being different weapon loadouts.
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Post by: Enigwolf
MajorWesJanson wrote:shade1313 wrote:
Yep, gun moved from mouth to belly, other than that, it clearly is more LoB than DD.
Should be easy as pie to convert to a DD, for those that must have that instead, though.
I'm just going to let it sit on the shelves and worry more about converting Helturkeys into Doomwings.
From th sound of it, the two designs have merged, with the Lord of Battles and Deathdealer being different weapon loadouts.
Could we possibly be having... *gasp* two kits in one box?!
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Post by: Breotan
You mean like the Necron kit? Don't be daft.
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Post by: Spartan089
Am I missing something? Why is the baneblade $140, we already have kit that's good enough. Those other prices are ridiculous. Automatically Appended Next Post: Enigwolf wrote:MajorWesJanson wrote:shade1313 wrote:
Yep, gun moved from mouth to belly, other than that, it clearly is more LoB than DD.
Should be easy as pie to convert to a DD, for those that must have that instead, though.
I'm just going to let it sit on the shelves and worry more about converting Helturkeys into Doomwings.
From th sound of it, the two designs have merged, with the Lord of Battles and Deathdealer being different weapon loadouts.
Could we possibly be having... *gasp* two kits in one box?!
I shudder to think that GW would give us more bang for our buck.
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Post by: Enigwolf
Breotan wrote:You mean like the Necron kit? Don't be daft.
It's called sarcasm.
Spartan089 wrote:Am I missing something? Why is the baneblade $140, we already have kit that's good enough. Those other prices are ridiculous.
Because GW wants more monies, so they repackage the Baneblade and release it at a higher price?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
So don't buy it.
That's the easy response, isn't it? My question would then be at what price point would even the most dedicated fan have some sort of criticism of the more rapid than ever now monthly increasing price points? GW fans don't get more dedicated than I am, I have thousands of models accumulated over more than 2 decades. I have multiple Baneblades and other larger models and some Forge World stuff too. I would like to see GW remain healthy and in business a long time. I see what the higher price points are doing to volume of sales at my local GW shop and it's alarming. I have friends who are ex- GW employees and huge fans who are buying less GW stuff (or none at all) due to the turn they've taken the past couple years. GW price increases did not used to take such huge leaps all at once. Every customer at some point will become concerned because even if they can still afford the prices if many other customers no longer can the hobby and GW will die.
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Post by: 40kFSU
As expensive as GW kits are, I usually think they are worth the money. However, $140 for a Baneblade, regardless the options, is a bit steep. Ditto the $160 Khorne thing. Terrain is really cool not sure about the shiny paint job. I am glad it's not littered with Cadian corpses. I don't get that. Why would IG pile dead IG around there own lines? Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
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Post by: Moopy
The terrain looks awesome but they're very determined on waging an apocalypse on your wallet.
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Post by: JAO249
Im not to discouraged by the pricing. We are talking about apocalypse units at still cheaper then forge world prices. Most players will look to add just one to their army, while a few add two to three.
Baneblade and Shadowsword in one kit is a good deal. We play a lot of apoc in houston and i rarely see any other variant. I did suspect a few months ago before i left the company, annual price rises would disappear and would be added sneakingly with each new release. Kirby is set to retire real soon, gotta drive the shares up so he can cash in 4.3 million shares
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Post by: Moopy
JAO249 wrote:Im not to discouraged by the pricing. We are talking about apocalypse units at still cheaper then forge world prices.
And still not worth over inflated plastic/resin prices. Bumping up the cost of Baneblade by over $50 for an extra sprue is crazy- at the end of it you still only make one tank.
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Post by: -Loki-
 Moopy wrote:JAO249 wrote:Im not to discouraged by the pricing. We are talking about apocalypse units at still cheaper then forge world prices.
And still not worth over inflated plastic/resin prices. Bumping up the cost of Baneblade by over $50 for an extra sprue is crazy- at the end of it you still only make one tank.
I'm sure clever builders will figure out how to make the top hull replaceable so you can make all 3.
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Post by: warboss
Moopy wrote:JAO249 wrote:Im not to discouraged by the pricing. We are talking about apocalypse units at still cheaper then forge world prices.
And still not worth over inflated plastic/resin prices. Bumping up the cost of Baneblade by over $50 for an extra sprue is crazy- at the end of it you still only make one tank.
It's going up $25, not $50.... and you're actually getting something useful extra for that unlike the last time it went up $15. I'm all for ripping GW a new one for meritless out of scale price inflation (see my sig) but that isn't the case this time with the baneblade.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
Moopy wrote:JAO249 wrote:Im not to discouraged by the pricing. We are talking about apocalypse units at still cheaper then forge world prices.
And still not worth over inflated plastic/resin prices. Bumping up the cost of Baneblade by over $50 for an extra sprue is crazy- at the end of it you still only make one tank.
Well, with the Baneblade the way it is, if you don't glue in the superstructure, you should theoretically be able to swap out between a baneblade/shadowsword variant at will. I can't see them re-tooling the molds to prevent that, wouldn't be worth the expense. That being said, the considerable price increase they justify by saying the kit can make multiple units is indeed hollow; you still only get one of the thing, and additional plastic costs hardly anything.
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Post by: Barzam
You know, if Bandai can release a 1/48 scale Gundam ( that puts it at around 15" tall!) that is snap fit, fully articulated, pre-colored, and comes with a full armament AND they can get it to me for under $70, then why can't GW release a tank that's the size of a 1/35 tank for under $100?
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Post by: NecronLord3
Because people will pay it. And they know that discount retailers can afford to take a 20-30% discount.
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Post by: insaniak
Barzam wrote:You know, if Bandai can release a 1/48 scale Gundam ( that puts it at around 15" tall!) that is snap fit, fully articulated, pre-colored, and comes with a full armament AND they can get it to me for under $70, then why can't GW release a tank that's the size of a 1/35 tank for under $100?
It's not really a matter of whether they can. They could set their prices lower. They choose not to.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Barzam wrote:You know, if Bandai can release a 1/48 scale Gundam ( that puts it at around 15" tall!) that is snap fit, fully articulated, pre-colored, and comes with a full armament AND they can get it to me for under $70, then why can't GW release a tank that's the size of a 1/35 tank for under $100?
Not EVEN 70!
I can get a 1/48 Gundam AGE-1 for under 3000 yen, including shipping. Maybe I will at that price.
Amazon JP's got the other models for about 5000 each, give or take a few yen.
Those bastards are BIG too. Box is MASSIVE. Hell, even the 1/60 kits were big as it was back in the day.
My guess is market penetration? I can go to just about any store with a decent hobby supply section, and I'll find one of those Mega Models. Two stores I was at today had the Zakus for sure. Didn't check the price there. Point is, Gundam is a big money maker for Bandai, and you know it's EVERYWHERE over here. Not the same can be said for 40k stuff, either here, in the UK, or in the States. It's way more niche than Gundam, which is why you don't see cheaper injection molded plastic kits.
That's neither here nor there really, but I just wanted to post that. Don't get to talk much Gundam on Dakka.
I'm actually kind of surprised that nobody in Japan has really tried doing there hand at sci fi tanks. Other model companies will dabble with spaceships/ fightercraft, but never really tanks. I can remember some old Aoshima ones from when I was a kid, but that's about it.
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Post by: somewheresomehow
Totally off topic, but there used to be a few GITS tanks as models way WAY back when it was first released and the hype for it was at its peek.
Back on topic
I am a bit saddened to see no 'Nids.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Different businesses operating on different business models. Bandai has a wider reach and multiple sources of revenue in the various toy lines it has. GW is a small time game company in comparison whose business model revolves around keeping their brick and mortar stores open no matter how much it seems to cost them.
Additionally considering that Bandai is selling across a lot wider range of big name stores than GW, which in turn generates a constant stream of steady income for the company, versus GW who works on moving a much lower volume of product this is a lot like comparing apples and bananas. Sure they're both fruit (toy companies), but they start losing similarities there.
For GW to lower price they need a way to increase their number of sales to compensate so they don't tank. This would also require more production than they are capable of (less so since Memphis' casting department was shut down, something that's likely hurting GW right now because one casting group is trying to handle all the demand). GW just can't handle that kind of change without a massive overhaul of how they operate, something that would likely take them a few years (or a massive crowdfunding campaign, but let's be honest, the internet seems to despise GW's every move these days so it's safe to say it'd likely fail if they tried) to pull off without putting them into the red now.
It's frankly not reasonable to insist that GW do an immediate 180* and just stop charging so much for their products right now. That said, it's not unreasonable to say that they prices on products really need to stop creeping up so much. They make (at least in my opinion) some cool and interesting stuff (even if it's not all a hit), and as much as I dislike the executive side of the company who keeps putting their pants on the heads all the time, the creative side seems to work very hard (especially with the current release schedule. I know someone who works in Finecast casting who was worked to the bone trying to play catch up after the Tau incident occurred) and loves what their doing, even if we don't always agree with their visions of what 40k is.
Will the prices stop rising? When GW finds they can't counter the drop in sales from the price increases by raising prices it'll have to stop going that way or GW will find itself pretty well screwed. When will that be? Well if they keep sticking to only raising prices when they do updates/reboxes of things probably 2020 or later. If they bring back the big price hike and keep doing that, probably sooner.
EDIT: More related to the topic I rather dig some of the new Apoc stuff. I rather hope the new C'Tan model is available outside the apoc kit just so we have a 3rd C'Tan variant on the table (though I'm sure many Necron players may end up getting the Tessaract Vault anyways).
My only hope is that my Sisters army gets access to some actual army specific strategems and formations in the book this time. It was rather lame to just go only get to pick the generic Imperium ones instead.
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Post by: Puscifer
The Khorne Guy has grown on me. It looks like a real bruiser.
The Necron stuff to me looks really weird. Not sure if I like it or not.
The terrain to me I'm not fussed with. I prefer to make my own.
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Post by: Barzam
Hm, I suppose the comparison to Bandai doesn't quite work. Volks would've been better. They're a garage kit company that mostly specializes in high-end resin kits. Like GW, their products are very niche, expensive, and like GW, the have limited production capability and run small brick and mortar stores. I would say Volks probably hits a much smaller audience than GW does and their product is pretty much not sold outside of their stores or website. However, Volks produces a line of roughly 1/100 scale Five Star Stories kits that again, are fully articulated, insanely intricate, and are produced in fully pre-colored plastic. These kits are actually cheaper than GW's Apoc models. Here, I'll link to one and you can see for yourself.
http://www.volks.co.jp/fss/ims003/
Again, this company probably has about the same size audience as GW if not smaller and their products are just as hard to find, if not harder. They have low production runs and limited production capabilities, yet they're able to produce a far superior quality product at a much cheaper price. The Baneblade is literally double the price of the kit I just linked. And yet the model I linked to is more complex, more detailed, I don't need to paint it, and it's fully poseable to boot. So the argument that GW has to continually raise their prices really doesn't fly.
You know what? I want Volks to make me some tanks for wargaming. I bet they'd be gorgeous.
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Post by: Breotan
 -Loki- wrote: Moopy wrote:JAO249 wrote:Im not to discouraged by the pricing. We are talking about apocalypse units at still cheaper then forge world prices.
And still not worth over inflated plastic/resin prices. Bumping up the cost of Baneblade by over $50 for an extra sprue is crazy- at the end of it you still only make one tank.
I'm sure clever builders will figure out how to make the top hull replaceable so you can make all 3.
I vaguely remember this already being done.
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Post by: Enigwolf
Barzam wrote:Hm, I suppose the comparison to Bandai doesn't quite work. Volks would've been better. They're a garage kit company that mostly specializes in high-end resin kits. Like GW, their products are very niche, expensive, and like GW, the have limited production capability and run small brick and mortar stores. I would say Volks probably hits a much smaller audience than GW does and their product is pretty much not sold outside of their stores or website. However, Volks produces a line of roughly 1/100 scale Five Star Stories kits that again, are fully articulated, insanely intricate, and are produced in fully pre-colored plastic. These kits are actually cheaper than GW's Apoc models. Here, I'll link to one and you can see for yourself.
http://www.volks.co.jp/fss/ims003/
Again, this company probably has about the same size audience as GW if not smaller and their products are just as hard to find, if not harder. They have low production runs and limited production capabilities, yet they're able to produce a far superior quality product at a much cheaper price. The Baneblade is literally double the price of the kit I just linked. And yet the model I linked to is more complex, more detailed, I don't need to paint it, and it's fully poseable to boot. So the argument that GW has to continually raise their prices really doesn't fly.
You know what? I want Volks to make me some tanks for wargaming. I bet they'd be gorgeous.
Still a poor comparison. GW crams a crapton of detail into those models at the 28mm level. The amount of plastic isn't just what drives the cost, but also the cost to design the models, and then test (e.g. heat tolerances, stress tolerances, etc.) of the mould shape/pattern. GW also produces their models in the UK, which has a base higher cost of production, and this gets translated back to us. Having something fully pre-colored plastic isn't a big deal either. Again, size doesn't matter when you're comparing models.
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Post by: JohnnyHell
They charge what people will pay.
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Post by: Bonde
I'll most likely buy the rulebook, since I have been longing for an updated apoc book for over a year, but I definately won
t buy any of the new kits. Terrain doesn't interest me at all, since I don't have room for it and therefore would have to donate it for my gaming club anyway.
The crazy thing about this release, is that GW are beginning to make FW's prices look downright reasonable in comparison. The only model sales they are making me interested in is buying a Baneblade for my IG or a Stompa for my Orks before the price go up (if it goes up on the Stompa). Otherwise I'll probably just stick to buying FW super heavies, as many of their tanks will be downright cheaper.
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Post by: Temujin
Enigwolf wrote:Still a poor comparison. GW crams a crapton of detail into those models at the 28mm level. The amount of plastic isn't just what drives the cost, but also the cost to design the models, and then test (e.g. heat tolerances, stress tolerances, etc.) of the mould shape/pattern. GW also produces their models in the UK, which has a base higher cost of production, and this gets translated back to us.
I fail to see how any of what you wrote doesn't apply to the example posted. Do you think the Volks models design themselves? Are you sure production costs are cheaper in Japan?
Regardless of any comparison, you'd have to be insane to suggest that the price of GW kits is driven by production costs. Were they selling below cost before they ramped up prices on the likes of baneblades or dire avengers? No. They charge what a dwindling amount of people will pay.
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Post by: Enigwolf
 Temujin wrote: Enigwolf wrote:Still a poor comparison. GW crams a crapton of detail into those models at the 28mm level. The amount of plastic isn't just what drives the cost, but also the cost to design the models, and then test (e.g. heat tolerances, stress tolerances, etc.) of the mould shape/pattern. GW also produces their models in the UK, which has a base higher cost of production, and this gets translated back to us.
I fail to see how any of what you wrote doesn't apply to the example posted. Do you think the Volks models design themselves? Are you sure production costs are cheaper in Japan?
Regardless of any comparison, you'd have to be insane to suggest that the price of GW kits is driven by production costs. Were they selling below cost before they ramped up prices on the likes of baneblades or dire avengers? No. They charge what a dwindling amount of people will pay.
Look at the Volk models. They lack a lot of the finer, small details that GW's 28mm miniatures have. The casting of these small details are subject to thermal tolerances that requires the technology (and subsequent ability to spend) that GW has. This in part drives the reason why GW products are of a higher price to you. Look at their financials for costs - it's not as if GW is turning trillions of dollars of profit off of their models, their own costs are pretty steep. Not to mention that as a large listed company, there are other services and departments within that do not generate revenue in of themselves (Accounting, Operations, to say the least) which have to have their costs covered by their revenues. As the company grows larger, these auxiliary services' costs increase, and so while your costs increase with revenues, your back end services' costs increase and as a result, you have a higher increase in costs than revenue. This translates to the need to increase prices in order to draw in more revenues to cover support departments' costs.
A short way of putting it is this: You cannot compare a small boutique company that probably casts on-demand to a large MNC like GW.
That being said, I don't disagree that GW does, to an extent, charge what their customers are willing to pay. This is the nature of the elasticity of the market combined with the indifference curve of the point it'll take for GW's customers to switch to their competitors. How many times have people whined about price hikes, and then still go out to buy a new army when a 'dex gets released? And hey, guess what? Every company does this to make the most money that they can. The point it will come to is when GW's marginal profits will start dropping.
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Post by: jullevi
MajorStoffer wrote:You know what I noticed first with the terrain? no dead cadians. they won't fit the aesthetic of of the wall o' dead cadians very well, and look that much better for it.
If they're useable in normal games, I might get the redoubt for my Krieg, as I can't stand the dead cadians of the normal line.
There seems to be a dead cadian or two on Firestorm Redoubt, piled below the parchments hanging from giant skulls.
I don't like the Necron Vault thingy, but the Skulldozer is seriously tempting. I have always enjoyed painting skulls, and this seems to have set the new record. For now.
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Post by: jonolikespie
Correction, they charge what they THINK people will pay, I have no doubt some people will pay it but the consistent falling sales says not enough.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
"We can charge whatever we want. 1000 a day. 10000 a day. And people will pay it." - Donald Genarro, Jurassic Park.
And he got eaten by a T-Rex. What's going to eat GW?
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Post by: JeffVimes
Damn, I'll pay to see Kirby being eaten by a T-Rex.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
With lascannons in it's nostrils. This is Warhammer 40,000, after all.
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Post by: SagesStone
 H.B.M.C. wrote:"We can charge whatever we want. 1000 a day. 10000 a day. And people will pay it." - Donald Genarro, Jurassic Park.
And he got eaten by a T-Rex. What's going to eat GW?
Lego T-Rex?
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Post by: Nerobellum
H.B.M.C. wrote:"We can charge whatever we want. 1000 a day. 10000 a day. And people will pay it." - Donald Genarro, Jurassic Park.
And he got eaten by a T-Rex. What's going to eat GW?
Nids
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Post by: oni
No one thing will bring down the GW juggernaut, it'll be a slow painful death by 1000 cuts.
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Post by: prowla
Enigwolf wrote:
Look at the Volk models. They lack a lot of the finer, small details that GW's 28mm miniatures have.
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That being said, I don't disagree that GW does, to an extent, charge what their customers are willing to pay. This is the nature of the elasticity of the market combined with the indifference curve of the point it'll take for GW's customers to switch to their competitors. How many times have people whined about price hikes, and then still go out to buy a new army when a 'dex gets released? And hey, guess what? Every company does this to make the most money that they can. The point it will come to is when GW's marginal profits will start dropping.
I would say that the Khornedozer is missing the finer, small details that their infantry models have, as well.. Hence the less-textured "toy robot" appearance.
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When talking about prices, there's multiple things and effects you have to consider. There's optimal balance point of sales numbers vs. profit per model that's one thing, but in GW's case the prices also affect things like army sizes, having multiple armies, beginner costs etc. The latter things affect their gaming presence and word-of-mouth advertisement, and I think one big mistake what they are making is underestimating this effect. I'd say cheaper models would bring more hobbyists and larger armies, that would further stabilize their position as the leading system and benefit them more than current high prices.
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Post by: REDEATH
Well I think that time is coming real soon when they will have to wake up and smell the coffee....the ridiculous price hikes and the outrageous prices of all the new stuff have driven the 20+ WH40K/WHF players away they all switched to Warmahordes nowadays its damn hard to get anyone to drag out their big box of 40K army compared to their little box of 50 pts of Warmahordes. The price hurdle is crippling WH40k look at the crowds playing at games day they are getting older and older there is less new blood b/c its all way to damn expensive. Look at the new Khorne Lord of Battle $160 USD !!! Damn I could get a decent LCD Monitor or even a TV for that price and its a hell of a lot more complex to manufacture and made of more plastic that that damn thing. I will not be surprised when they jack up the Land Raider cost to $100 before the end of the year. (even at the $75 where its at now for that price the damn box should have came with ALL the different variant sprues..Crusader ect..)
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Post by: notprop
The Khorne Kildozer looks like the start of a nice Robot/Knight and the hull looks like a pretty cool tank, but they do not belong together but could make two very interesting models.
It carries too hefty a price tag to test that theory though.
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Post by: Enigwolf
prowla wrote: Enigwolf wrote:
Look at the Volk models. They lack a lot of the finer, small details that GW's 28mm miniatures have.
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That being said, I don't disagree that GW does, to an extent, charge what their customers are willing to pay. This is the nature of the elasticity of the market combined with the indifference curve of the point it'll take for GW's customers to switch to their competitors. How many times have people whined about price hikes, and then still go out to buy a new army when a 'dex gets released? And hey, guess what? Every company does this to make the most money that they can. The point it will come to is when GW's marginal profits will start dropping.
I would say that the Khornedozer is missing the finer, small details that their infantry models have, as well.. Hence the less-textured "toy robot" appearance.
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When talking about prices, there's multiple things and effects you have to consider. There's optimal balance point of sales numbers vs. profit per model that's one thing, but in GW's case the prices also affect things like army sizes, having multiple armies, beginner costs etc. The latter things affect their gaming presence and word-of-mouth advertisement, and I think one big mistake what they are making is underestimating this effect. I'd say cheaper models would bring more hobbyists and larger armies, that would further stabilize their position as the leading system and benefit them more than current high prices.
Frankly, I don't agree with the Khornedozer's aesthetic either. And neither do I agree with that of the DV models. However, to produce the amount of detail on the DV models was likely no small feat - this insofar of itself was covered by another more technically-minded individual than myself. Again, if I ever need to field a Khornedozer, I'm scratchbuilding or kitbashing one.
Yes, I agree with that too. I disagree with GW's business strategy, and intend to question them on it at Enter the Citadel next month, but from a corporate business standpoint (from the people at the top *coughkirbycough* who have no interest in sustaining the hobby) it's a good money-making decision to have taken. However, what I disapprove of are the blithering masses just spewing the GW haterade onto the whole company from the top corporate execs right down to the hapless game developers at the bottom without a rudimentary understanding of why GW operates the way it does and ultimately deciding that the reason is because GW is evil. Just because.
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Post by: Alpharius
Hard to believe it, but the new Baneblade pricing makes the Forgeworld Stormblade seem... more reasonable now?
I've always wanted one, and I already have a Stormhammer, so...
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Post by: Enigwolf
 Alpharius wrote:Hard to believe it, but the new Baneblade pricing makes the Forgeworld Stormblade seem... more reasonable now?
I've always wanted one, and I already have a Stormhammer, so...
Do it. DO IT
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Post by: Hulksmash
People do realize they are screaming about "massive" price increases on Apoc stuff right? The price for the Wraithknight is inline with a model of similar size and outside of the repackaged DA's the prices on all other eldar stuff was reasonable. They even discounted full units of walkers, artillery, and 3-man's of bikes for various armies.
But yeah, rage, sneaky price hikes!
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Post by: JOHIRA
Enigwolf wrote: Temujin wrote: Enigwolf wrote:Still a poor comparison. GW crams a crapton of detail into those models at the 28mm level. The amount of plastic isn't just what drives the cost, but also the cost to design the models, and then test (e.g. heat tolerances, stress tolerances, etc.) of the mould shape/pattern. GW also produces their models in the UK, which has a base higher cost of production, and this gets translated back to us.
I fail to see how any of what you wrote doesn't apply to the example posted. Do you think the Volks models design themselves? Are you sure production costs are cheaper in Japan? Regardless of any comparison, you'd have to be insane to suggest that the price of GW kits is driven by production costs. Were they selling below cost before they ramped up prices on the likes of baneblades or dire avengers? No. They charge what a dwindling amount of people will pay.
Look at the Volk models. They lack a lot of the finer, small details that GW's 28mm miniatures have.
What are you talking about, son? Look at those chain/tendril/tails hanging off the back. These kits have every bit as much detail as GW kits. What they don't have, is over-wrought texture. It doesn't take loads of testing or design skills to cover everything with skullz and rivets. it's not as if GW is turning trillions of dollars of profit off of their models, their own costs are pretty steep.
I'm not going to believe this without some numbers. While I'm sure they don't make " trillions" of dollars, exactly what GW's per model profit margin is has to my knowledge never been published and is subject to speculation. However, given that on more than one occasion existing models have doubled in price without one jot of change in quality, I feel totally comfortable speculating that GW's per model profit margin is not small. Not to mention that as a large listed company, there are other services and departments within that do not generate revenue in of themselves (Accounting, Operations, to say the least) which have to have their costs covered by their revenues
You think Japanese model companies don't have these departments? Every company does this to make the most money that they can.
Make the most money they can today, or make the most money they can long term?
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Post by: Satan
The "companies do this to make money"-argument is getting old.
If we raised our prices annually in the same manner GW does I have no doubt most of our existing clients would be finished with us rather quickly.
If your only goal is to make money then you're probably doing a bad job of providing for your employees and your own personal brand in the long run.
I don't know about the rest of you folks, but the reason I put so much effort into the small business I work in is because I LOVE it, and I want it to be able to provide for me, my colleagues and community for a good while going forward.
If you're not profitable enough then raising prices alone is probably not going to fix that. And it's a fool-proof way of alienating customers who, it's pretty clear by now, are looking at your prices rather than other factors when making their purchasing decisions.
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Post by: Enigwolf
 JOHIRA wrote: Enigwolf wrote: Temujin wrote: Enigwolf wrote:Still a poor comparison. GW crams a crapton of detail into those models at the 28mm level. The amount of plastic isn't just what drives the cost, but also the cost to design the models, and then test (e.g. heat tolerances, stress tolerances, etc.) of the mould shape/pattern. GW also produces their models in the UK, which has a base higher cost of production, and this gets translated back to us.
I fail to see how any of what you wrote doesn't apply to the example posted. Do you think the Volks models design themselves? Are you sure production costs are cheaper in Japan?
Regardless of any comparison, you'd have to be insane to suggest that the price of GW kits is driven by production costs. Were they selling below cost before they ramped up prices on the likes of baneblades or dire avengers? No. They charge what a dwindling amount of people will pay.
Look at the Volk models. They lack a lot of the finer, small details that GW's 28mm miniatures have.
What are you talking about, son? Look at those chain/tendril/tails hanging off the back. These kits have every bit as much detail as GW kits. What they don't have, is over-wrought texture. It doesn't take loads of testing or design skills to cover everything with skullz and rivets.
First of all. "Son"? Really? Are you going to proceed to lecture me now and then spank me afterwards? Great way of treating people with respect.
I don't know Japanese, but I've browsed through the pages of that site. None of their models come close to achieving the detail fidelity that GW 28mm models have. That "over-wrought texture" that you are referring to, and again, the DV models are a good example here with their small spikes and details, actually require technical skill and equipment to be able to cast with so little brittleness and defects.
it's not as if GW is turning trillions of dollars of profit off of their models, their own costs are pretty steep.
I'm not going to believe this without some numbers. While I'm sure they don't make " trillions" of dollars, exactly what GW's per model profit margin is has to my knowledge never been published and is subject to speculation. However, given that on more than one occasion existing models have doubled in price without one jot of change in quality, I feel totally comfortable speculating that GW's per model profit margin is not small.
Again, you cannot simply look at profit margin-per-model. That doesn't take into account so many overhead costs as I have mentioned before. Here is a copy of the GW financials from fiscal year 2011-2012. You are welcome to peruse it at your leisure which clearly details that their profit margin is in the figure of 10% or less before dividends are paid. For the industry, it's not a very high profit margin, and this is already significantly inflated by the some 4 million GBP of royalties received.
http://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Final-group-accounts-3-June-2012.pdf
Not to mention that as a large listed company, there are other services and departments within that do not generate revenue in of themselves (Accounting, Operations, to say the least) which have to have their costs covered by their revenues
You think Japanese model companies don't have these departments?
Please find me a listed Japanese model company operating at the same scale of GW producing a similar range of 28mm miniatures.
Every company does this to make the most money that they can.
Make the most money they can today, or make the most money they can long term?
Seeing as how I don't run the company, I can't comment on which of the two GW is working towards. Suffice to say, they're making their investors and shareholders happy. In this world, there are companies that seek to achieve both goals, the latter isn't rare either, since that's a great way to inflate the valuation of your company before a buyout or for senior managers to sell their stocks and quit.
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Post by: Therion
Satan wrote:The "companies do this to make money"-argument is getting old.
If we raised our prices annually in the same manner GW does I have no doubt most of our existing clients would be finished with us rather quickly.
If your only goal is to make money then you're probably doing a bad job of providing for your employees and your own personal brand in the long run.
I don't know about the rest of you folks, but the reason I put so much effort into the small business I work in is because I LOVE it, and I want it to be able to provide for me, my colleagues and community for a good while going forward.
If you're not profitable enough then raising prices alone is probably not going to fix that. And it's a fool-proof way of alienating customers who, it's pretty clear by now, are looking at your prices rather than other factors when making their purchasing decisions.
It's because you're a liberal social democrat happiness orientated model society scandinavian. This is big business. The owners will rip their customers off as long as they can, then start firing their employees due to being cost ineffective, trimming all the fat from the company and setting it into shape to be sold for the highest bidder so they can cash out and retire.
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Post by: CaptKaruthors
The Book, the strategic asset cards, and vortex template is all I'm buying. I don't really need the vortex template as I already have one...but having multiples will be cool.
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Post by: Lansirill
Well, if you need to be as big as GW, in the same market GW competes in, in order to be compared to GW... I guess nobody can be compared to GW.
Satan wrote:The "companies do this to make money"-argument is getting old.
If we raised our prices annually in the same manner GW does I have no doubt most of our existing clients would be finished with us rather quickly.
If your only goal is to make money then you're probably doing a bad job of providing for your employees and your own personal brand in the long run.
I don't know about the rest of you folks, but the reason I put so much effort into the small business I work in is because I LOVE it, and I want it to be able to provide for me, my colleagues and community for a good while going forward.
If you're not profitable enough then raising prices alone is probably not going to fix that. And it's a fool-proof way of alienating customers who, it's pretty clear by now, are looking at your prices rather than other factors when making their purchasing decisions.
To be fair, you usually can only sell your soul once. Unless Hell's accounting department has been getting shoddy, in which case I think we're about to see a bubble in the Soul Futures market.
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Post by: Enigwolf
Lansirill wrote:Well, if you need to be as big as GW, in the same market GW competes in, in order to be compared to GW... I guess nobody can be compared to GW.
Anything else would be comparing apples to oranges.
In any case, we're getting off-topic here.
Anyone else got updates as to the dice cube? I'm still kinda curious as to whether it's a re-release of the old Apocalypse Dice (which were atrocious to roll, I might add, but still cool to look at!)
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Post by: Lansirill
Enigwolf wrote: Lansirill wrote:Well, if you need to be as big as GW, in the same market GW competes in, in order to be compared to GW... I guess nobody can be compared to GW.
Anything else would be comparing apples to oranges.
You know, I really would love to bang this around a bit, but I'm pretty sure we're getting way off topic here. Blargle. Dang not getting to have the last word. I call do-overs!
Edit: Heh, well, at least we both noticed it.
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Post by: reds8n
Indeed, kudos for the spot and I appreciate that $/£s are always going to be a concern with regards to the latest releases, but I think it better if further discussion is done elsewhere & when.
Thanks 
 CaptKaruthors wrote:The Book, the strategic asset cards, and vortex template is all I'm buying. I don't really need the vortex template as I already have one...but having multiples will be cool.
damn straight !
... might be tempted by the dice as .. well...err .. . they're new .... I mean because the game ...
..  cause I'm weak.
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Post by: Bonde
Alpharius wrote:Hard to believe it, but the new Baneblade pricing makes the Forgeworld Stormblade seem... more reasonable now?
I've always wanted one, and I already have a Stormhammer, so...
You really should. I have assembled one and it's a great kit. It's a bit easier to assemble than the chimera sized FW conversion kits because the main components are bigger. Now I just need to pull myself together and get mine painted for the coming apocalypse.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
That big Lord of Battles is growing on me, I must admit. Not likely to spend the £95 on one when it could buy so much other stuff, but it is growing on me.
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Post by: fable_dd
Ok this may be my weirdest reply ever but the only thing wich comes to mind is...
Hold you're breath...
"Pretty Woman"
In this movie it is explained. People buy/sell companies just to make profit out of them as quick and as much as possible. They drain companies to the buttom. Then they show their profit to any who is interested, sell the company under false information, leave the company on its final breath with a whole lot of money in their pocket.
Company destroyed, the common folk devestated.
I don't think it's fair, but somehow I think they do a better job on nursing their healthy (rich) life. So who are the fools?
I am sorry to say but it might be us!
I hope someone will take over this company soon and sets it back fairly to everyone, both to the staff as the customer.
BTW The larger the company the more efficient it get and so less costly a company gets. (Including more advance machinery, better artists and so on) (i.e. creating 1 model which is sold 10 000 times with a automated machine and 3d software is easierer and in the end less costly then to create one which is sold 100 times crafted by hand with trial and error in wearing molds)
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Post by: notprop
By the way Pretty Woman is about Julia Roberts' legs not so much business.
You shouldn't be looking for business tips there.
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Post by: Alpharius
On Topic here please.
Thanks.
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Post by: Enigwolf
fable_dd wrote:
BTW The larger the company the more efficient it get and so less costly a company gets. (Including more advance machinery, better artists and so on) (i.e. creating 1 model which is sold 10 000 times with a automated machine and 3d software is easierer and in the end less costly then to create one which is sold 100 times crafted by hand with trial and error in wearing molds)
Wrong. Economies of scale reduce costs, but scale increases administrative complexity.
Back on topic please.
Do the Stormhammer and Baneblade hull tanks on FW use the plastic Baneblade chassis or the old FW one?
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Post by: pretre
Enigwolf wrote:Do the Stormhammer and Baneblade hull tanks on FW use the plastic Baneblade chassis or the old FW one?
Forgeworld wrote:Complete resin and plastic kit, includes Tank Commander.
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Post by: Enigwolf
pretre wrote: Enigwolf wrote:Do the Stormhammer and Baneblade hull tanks on FW use the plastic Baneblade chassis or the old FW one?
Forgeworld wrote:Complete resin and plastic kit, includes Tank Commander.
I saw that, but is the "plastic" the same as the plastic GW Baneblade chassis?
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
I think the dimensions are slightly different.
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Post by: pretre
Enigwolf wrote: pretre wrote: Enigwolf wrote:Do the Stormhammer and Baneblade hull tanks on FW use the plastic Baneblade chassis or the old FW one?
Forgeworld wrote:Complete resin and plastic kit, includes Tank Commander.
I saw that, but is the "plastic" the same as the plastic GW Baneblade chassis?
Well, FW doesn't make plastic kits, right? So it would have to be the GW baneblade chassis with Resin parts added. Automatically Appended Next Post: Probably should start a new thread for C: SM but...
via The Emperor Himself on Warseer
Some info regarding the upcoming Space Marine Codex. Rhino variants to include a command Rhino, a medic Rhino and an armoured recovery Rhino. Each of these can be purchased as upgrades for the basic Rhino and provide enhancements to their Space Marine squad. Dreadnoughts to provide bonuses to nearby units owing to their 'Inspiring Presence'. These developments are inline with the design philosophy behind the new Codex to promote synergies between units to increase the tactical depth of Space Marines.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Enigwolf wrote:Please find me a listed Japanese model company operating at the same scale of GW producing a similar range of 28mm miniatures.
Yeah, find any Japanese model company with headquarters in Nottingham that produces the same quantity of Space Marines for 40k in 28mm heroic scale! See? Not comparable at all!
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Post by: Mythal
Has anyone turned up any reliable information as to what the massive Eagle Cannon of Doom actually is? I guess it's probably something Skyfire-ish, though I can hope it turns out to be an ordnance barrage.
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Post by: pretre
Mythal wrote:Has anyone turned up any reliable information as to what the massive Eagle Cannon of Doom actually is? I guess it's probably something Skyfire-ish, though I can hope it turns out to be an ordnance barrage.
Nothing beyond what is in that picture.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Small update:
Apocalypse templates are in transparent blue, big sphere, big flamer and connected 5 spheres barrage template.
Dice are similar to current ones, but 125 box, red on black, with mechanicum skull on the 1.
Warp Grenade template with a nice altered design.
Set of 63 strategic option cards for Apocalypse.
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Post by: Desubot
Kroothawk wrote:
Dice are similar to current ones, but 125 box, red on black, with mechanicum skull on the 1.
As dice goes, that's not that bad. 125 dice for 30$ with mechanicum skulls no less.
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Post by: Gertjan
Soooo, basically the same as we have now only in a different color then? I can live with that, only the book for me then. The scenery looks good, but scenery takes up space that should be occupied by tanks
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Post by: iheartlargeblasttemplates
I love the khorne thing
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Post by: Nevelon
Kroothawk wrote:Small update:
Apocalypse templates are in transparent blue, big sphere, big flamer and connected 5 spheres barrage template.
Dice are similar to current ones, but 125 box, red on black, with mechanicum skull on the 1.
Warp Grenade template with a nice altered design.
Set of 63 strategic option cards for Apocalypse.
OK, good to know the dice are just normal ones, thus optional. I assume the same with the strategic option cards? Like the psychic decks, nice to have to keep you from flipping around the book, but not required for play?
Just trying to get an idea what I need to pick up to play in apoc games. I suspect I'm going to have to pick up stuff to fill out formations (assuming they are the same kind as the last edition) and the budget is not infinite. Rulebook, templates, and special warp grenade template all required?
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Post by: bobrunnicles
H.B.M.C. wrote: Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Heck jump forward to now and I have a Baneblade, Stormlord and my Orks have two stompas. Gotta love big 40K models.
Pfft! You lightweight! I've got 1 Stormblade, 2 Shadowswords, 1 Hellhammer and 3 Baneblades! 
Then again I am crazy. 
I guess I fall in between this, I have two Baneblades, a Stormlord and a Shadowsword. However I do also have a FW Praetor, along with seven Russes, two Basilisks, two Hellhounds, two Manticores, a Deathstrike, a Griffon, five Chimeras, three Valkyries, one Vendetta (w/ FW conversion pack), two Vultures, six Sentinels, two Hydras, a Hydra platform, a Destroyer tank hunter, and a Cyclops. Plus a crapload of infantry (Catachans). Plus about the same amount still unpainted/unassembled which I was saving for possible desert colors and my large collection of unpainted Tallarns...
Oh, and a Stompa cos I love the model. Which probably means somewhere down the line I'm going to end up with both of these models too, but the first post of call will be the Tesseract Vault I think.
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Post by: 1hadhq
pretre wrote:
Probably should start a new thread for C: SM but...
via The Emperor Himself on Warseer
Some info regarding the upcoming Space Marine Codex. Rhino variants to include a command Rhino, a medic Rhino and an armoured recovery Rhino. Each of these can be purchased as upgrades for the basic Rhino and provide enhancements to their Space Marine squad. Dreadnoughts to provide bonuses to nearby units owing to their 'Inspiring Presence'. These developments are inline with the design philosophy behind the new Codex to promote synergies between units to increase the tactical depth of Space Marines.
Yes you should. 
Special rhinos.... synergy... so who wrote that dex ( if it is coming ) ?
And now, back to: who got more SHV than you.
Proud owner of 11 of those baneblade based vehicles.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
I don't have any SHV
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Post by: Enigwolf
Does the dice block include scatter dice, anyone know?
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Post by: battlematt
Ok so the khonre mower needs to be looted and ork-a-fyed!! That is the only thing to do with a model that FUGGLEY.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well get some. They're fun. I have 10 of 'em.
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Post by: ceorron
Yep I plumped for the shadowsword to avoid the price hike, good move I think.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Begone double post...
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Post by: pretre
via Morathi's Darkest Sin on Warseer wrote:
For some odd reason the White Dwarf mags turned up today, the first time we have had White Dwarf before its release date in months. However it would seem to indicate there will be a lot of 'one-click' deals based on the formations appearing online this friday. Of course going on previous one click deals I assume that will mean at zero discount. Tbh its what I expected and it will certainly save me some money, in the sense I won't be buying any of them.
They have a page advertising a few which match the old book... Dread Mob, Leman Russ Tank Company, Carnifex brood, Phoeniix Court of Khaine, Lord of the Black Crusade, plus one I don't recognise as the army is newer than the last Apocalypse update.. Carnival of Pain. (Dark Eldar, Urien Rakarth, Haemonculus, 3x Grotesques, wracks and 3x Talos.)
On a side note the Bombardment dice thingy, is 125 Dice in a clear cube, like their £4 ones. The dice are cool mind, black with red pips, and the one replaced by an Ad-mech symbol. The gamers case is nice mind, half tempted to get one.
They have a few pages show from the book, but the Necron craft isn't one of them. The Khorne Lord of Battles has tzeentch prefered number of Hull Points, as do Baneblade class tanks by the looks of it (both the Stormlord and Stormsword pages are shown.) Also the Khorne Lord of Battles is triple blessed by Khorne, as if you put three of his unholy number alongside one another, that would be his starting points.
like a normal 40K release, the bit on it at the start hints at what it can do fluff wise, they use two in the battle report, so there might be hint of what it can do there, but no defined rules. I could only reference the Lord of Battles stuff, because it is one of nine double page spreads they show when talking about the Apocalypse rulebook near the start. Each pic is two inches by three inches but you can just about make out the text, even at that size.
Skimming the battle report the Vault's main attack is called 'Sky of falling stars' and seems to hint at meteors pounding the battlefield. One of the new templates is five large sized looking blast markers attached to one another so you can string them out, curl them around to represent a line of explosions. I'm guessing it uses that one. (edit - it does)
Also the Aquila fortification gun is noted as a Macro cannon.
one of the double page spreads is about Superheavy walkers, there is also a Heldrake squadron that can do a 60" move at the end of the deployment phase, which seems pretty brutal.
Collectors Edition
Oh and for the first time (well in my mind at least) the Collectors edition is actually worth considering. Not only does it come in a very nice box, with the strategic cards, and a couple extra bits and pieces. It also has every formation in the book printed on card stock, looks like A4 ish size. So you don't need to flick all over the book for Baneblade rules etc and comes with a three panel quick rules screen.
Gamer's Edition
The gamer edition case is lovely by the way, huge double headed eagle on the side and bits of text/warning signs as if its a Vortex Grenade case. Big enough for four Baneblades as well. Although at the moment I am getting really tempted by the collectors, going to have to be quick If I go for one as they are going to fly. Having all the formations as individual card sheets is so blinkin useful, as is the quick reference rules screen with art on the back (like a DM screen) as well as a warzone book that is noted as not being out for several months as an extra, oh and a excellent looking travelling case.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
888 points? It damnwell better be worth that much. Super-Heavies are glass hammers as it is right now, and having one worth twice that of a Baneblade is not a good start.
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
pretre wrote:via Darkest Sin on Warseer wrote:
For some odd reason the White Dwarf mags turned up today, the first time we have had White Dwarf before its release date in months. However it would seem to indicate there will be a lot of 'one-click' deals based on the formations appearing online this friday. Of course going on previous one click deals I assume that will mean at zero discount. Tbh its what I expected and it will certainly save me some money, in the sense I won't be buying any of them.
They have a page advertising a few which match the old book... Dread Mob, Leman Russ Tank Company, Carnifex brood, Phoeniix Court of Khaine, Lord of the Black Crusade, plus one I don't recognise as the army is newer than the last Apocalypse update.. Carnival of Pain. (Dark Eldar, Urien Rakarth, Haemonculus, 3x Grotesques, wracks and 3x Talos.)
On a side note the Bombardment dice thingy, is 125 Dice in a clear cube, like their £4 ones. The dice are cool mind, black with red pips, and the one replaced by an Ad-mech symbol. The gamers case is nice mind, half tempted to get one.
They have a few pages show from the book, but the Necron craft isn't one of them. The Khorne Lord of Battles has tzeentch prefered number of Hull Points, as do Baneblade class tanks by the looks of it (both the Stormlord and Stormsword pages are shown.) Also the Khorne Lord of Battles is triple blessed by Khorne, as if you put three of his unholy number alongside one another, that would be his starting points.
like a normal 40K release, the bit on it at the start hints at what it can do fluff wise, they use two in the battle report, so there might be hint of what it can do there, but no defined rules. I could only reference the Lord of Battles stuff, because it is one of nine double page spreads they show when talking about the Apocalypse rulebook near the start. Each pic is two inches by three inches but you can just about make out the text, even at that size.
Skimming the battle report the Vault's main attack is called 'Sky of falling stars' and seems to hint at meteors pounding the battlefield. One of the new templates is five large sized looking blast markers attached to one another so you can string them out, curl them around to represent a line of explosions. I'm guessing it uses that one. (edit - it does)
Also the Aquila fortification gun is noted as a Macro cannon.
one of the double page spreads is about Superheavy walkers, there is also a Heldrake squadron that can do a 60" move at the end of the deployment phase, which seems pretty brutal.
Collectors Edition
Oh and for the first time (well in my mind at least) the Collectors edition is actually worth considering. Not only does it come in a very nice box, with the strategic cards, and a couple extra bits and pieces. It also has every formation in the book printed on card stock, looks like A4 ish size. So you don't need to flick all over the book for Baneblade rules etc and comes with a three panel quick rules screen.
Gamer's Edition
The gamer edition case is lovely by the way, huge double headed eagle on the side and bits of text/warning signs as if its a Vortex Grenade case. Big enough for four Baneblades as well. Although at the moment I am getting really tempted by the collectors, going to have to be quick If I go for one as they are going to fly. Having all the formations as individual card sheets is so blinkin useful, as is the quick reference rules screen with art on the back (like a DM screen) as well as a warzone book that is noted as not being out for several months as an extra, oh and a excellent looking travelling case.
All of that actually sounds pretty interesting, I like the sound of the Collectors and Gamers editions; they may actually be worth the money for once.
I am interested in seeing those new blast markers too, they sound pretty unique based on the Vaults attack.
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Post by: Enigwolf
Don't superheavies use Structure Points? The rumor seems to indicate that they have done away with those... Hm. This is interesting, given that the latest IA releases for 6th Ed have included Structure Points.
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Post by: pretre
H.B.M.C. wrote:888 points? It damnwell better be worth that much. Super-Heavies are glass hammers as it is right now, and having one worth twice that of a Baneblade is not a good start.
Yeah, same # of hull points as a baneblade too.
Maybe it has the Daemon and It Will Not Die special rules. That would be nasty with a superheavy.
Also, I thought we were done with the obfuscation of points values. Silly Warseer.
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Post by: Ouze
The rule about dreadnoughts having an "inspiring presence" is pleasing to me and fits very nicely with the fluff.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
pretre wrote:Also, I thought we were done with the obfuscation of points values. Silly Warseer.
Apparently not. 
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Post by: pretre
Maybe we can get them to use a better shorthand. Like 'The Deathdealer costs 888 SOB searchlights'
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Post by: Goliath
Hmm. Depending on how much of a discount the Dread Mob comes with I may get one, as I'm hoping of running an army based on one from the FW book
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
pretre wrote:Maybe we can get them to use a better shorthand. Like 'The Deathdealer costs 888 SOB searchlights'
Yes, that's perfect.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Aye, tbh It might have been all right to just list the points, but as a Dakka mod not sure getting banned on Seer for breaking rules that may or not be in effect would be a good idea.
Oh and for those wondering, I posted it over there as Dakka is sadly work blocked, and if I forget to take my laptop (as I did today) I cannot get on here till after I get home between 10-10.30pm. Do'h.
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Post by: pretre
Argh, ninja'd! I was about to get indignant about them getting the scoop. TRAITOR!
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Something I have spotted since I posted on Seer as well, is during the battle report the Macro cannon seems to one hit kill a Lord of Battle.
So not sure if that's an indicator of how hard it is, or if the critical damage stuff is still in place.
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Post by: pretre
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Something I have spotted since I posted on Seer as well, is during the battle report the Macro cannon seems to one hit kill a Lord of Battle.
So not sure if that's an indicator of how hard it is, or if the critical damage stuff is still in place.
That must be an upgrade from the one in the rulebook, since that one is no where near impressive enough to pull that off. (Like S8 AP4, Heavy 2 Blast or something).
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Post by: Sasori
How did the vault do in the Battle report?
Can the C'tan detach from it?
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
It seemed to cause some damage... reading the battle report a little while ago, I noted in the pre battle army list, it mentions it has six powers it can pick from , you take two, and they gave an example of one. Which caused 6D6 S8 Ap3 shots a turn. That's a scary lot of damage.
It mentions the figure can be used separately, and mentions in times of dire need they unleash the C'tan from its prison, but its not clear if that's fluff or not, or an actual rule.
Also its variant option, the Obelisk has a gravity pulse attack that auto hits enemy flyers in both shooting phases.
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Post by: Enigwolf
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Also its variant option, the Obelisk has a gravity pulse attack that auto hits enemy flyers in both shooting phases.
Ouch.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:It seemed to cause some damage... reading the battle report a little while ago, I noted in the pre battle army list, it mentions it has six powers it can pick from , you take two, and they gave an example of one. Which caused 6D6 S8 Ap3 shots a turn. That's a scary lot of damage.
It mentions the figure can be used separately, and mentions in times of dire need they unleash the C'tan from its prison, but its not clear if that's fluff or not, or an actual rule.
Also its variant option, the Obelisk has a gravity pulse attack that auto hits enemy flyers in both shooting phases.
Wait what, we get an obelisk now?
It's about fething time. I've been waiting for one for ages.
It's a big bigger than I'd thought it would be though.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Aye, its basically the closed option, with some very minor changes. Automatically Appended Next Post: pretre wrote:
That must be an upgrade from the one in the rulebook, since that one is no where near impressive enough to pull that off. (Like S8 AP4, Heavy 2 Blast or something).
Yeah, I'm guessing so, it was putting down a huge blue template, that looked bigger than the old green one from the old Apocalypse set, it fully covered the Lord of Battle. I suppose from GW's point of view making the templates different from the old ones forces our hands somewhat.
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Post by: BaconUprising
That lord of battle mini looks truly tragic! GW you have once again managed to amaze me with how terrible you can make your models! Their theory is that if they stick enough skulls on it, people will buy it. Seriously it looks like it belongs with the action man toys...
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Post by: Sasori
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:It seemed to cause some damage... reading the battle report a little while ago, I noted in the pre battle army list, it mentions it has six powers it can pick from , you take two, and they gave an example of one. Which caused 6D6 S8 Ap3 shots a turn. That's a scary lot of damage.
It mentions the figure can be used separately, and mentions in times of dire need they unleash the C'tan from its prison, but its not clear if that's fluff or not, or an actual rule.
Also its variant option, the Obelisk has a gravity pulse attack that auto hits enemy flyers in both shooting phases.
Thanks a lot! sounds pretty amazing!
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Aye, its basically the closed option, with some very minor changes.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
pretre wrote:
That must be an upgrade from the one in the rulebook, since that one is no where near impressive enough to pull that off. (Like S8 AP4, Heavy 2 Blast or something).
Yeah, I'm guessing so, it was putting down a huge blue template, that looked bigger than the old green one from the old Apocalypse set, it fully covered the Lord of Battle. I suppose from GW's point of view making the templates different from the old ones forces our hands somewhat.
Well, crap. I guess that means I might have to get both sets
I wonder if I can just get a pillar and call that an obelisk.
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Post by: Desubot
Cant wait to see pictures of the collectors and gamers editions
need a see if i should save up money or not.
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I wonder if some 3rd person parts types want to build legs for the khorne thing, so you can have a walking khorne thing and make a giant chaos tank from the tank bits.
mmmh...Find a pair of legs from a Crusader Leviathan?...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
So the templates are different?
Damn.
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Post by: shade1313
Yeah, I just recently replaced mine, since the barrage template broke when I moved here a couple years ago.
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Post by: insaniak
Meh, I'm only likely to be playing Apocalypse games at home. So long as they're the same basic shape, the old templates will do just fine.
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Post by: Enigwolf
 insaniak wrote:Meh, I'm only likely to be playing Apocalypse games at home. So long as they're the same basic shape, the old templates will do just fine.
From what it sounds like, the new template allows you to configure it into different shapes, including a line of blasts... That sounds pretty cool to me.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I just hope "Strength D" is a thing of the past.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
But I liked Strength D
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Post by: Breotan
Well, since the Obelisk is apparently just the closed up version of the Tesseract Ark, I'm guessing... no.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
 Breotan wrote:Well, since the Obelisk is apparently just the closed up version of the Tesseract Ark, I'm guessing... no.
It doesn't look anything like an obelisk though  Maybe the pointy part of one.
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Post by: Enigwolf
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Breotan wrote:Well, since the Obelisk is apparently just the closed up version of the Tesseract Ark, I'm guessing... no.
It doesn't look anything like an obelisk though
Maybe the pointy part of one.
Or this obelisk?
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Enigwolf wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote: Breotan wrote:Well, since the Obelisk is apparently just the closed up version of the Tesseract Ark, I'm guessing... no.
It doesn't look anything like an obelisk though Maybe the pointy part of one.
Or this obelisk?
Yep, that would do. Or perhaps...this obelisk  By now I think we've gone OT...or is it on topic, since we are still talking about obelisks? Oh dear I've gone cross eyed.
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Post by: martin74
WOW!
I know GW prices are always increasing, but this $£!t is just too much.
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Post by: G. Whitenbeard
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:It seemed to cause some damage... reading the battle report a little while ago, I noted in the pre battle army list, it mentions it has six powers it can pick from , you take two, and they gave an example of one. Which caused 6D6 S8 Ap3 shots a turn. That's a scary lot of damage.
It mentions the figure can be used separately, and mentions in times of dire need they unleash the C'tan from its prison, but its not clear if that's fluff or not, or an actual rule.
Also its variant option, the Obelisk has a gravity pulse attack that auto hits enemy flyers in both shooting phases.
Oh dear god. My wallet took one look at the Tesseract Vault and ran to the corner crying.
I want to look at the rules for it before taking the deep plunge, but dammit, I already feel my willpower fading
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Post by: jose kantor
New additions to the wall of marters, several new SM company commanders such as 9th and 10th company are confirmed.
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Post by: Azreal13
 jose kantor wrote:New additions to the wall of marters, several new SM company commanders such as 9th and 10th company are confirmed.
Didn't fancy having a look around the thread first huh?
There's pics and everything!!
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Post by: jose kantor
I was just confirming that I had seen it from an addition source than dakkadakka is all.
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