- new Apocalypse rules
- Khorne and Necrons focused (2 new types of Monolith rumoured)
pretre wrote: Not sure if this has been posted previously, but:
via anonymous source (from the Faeit 212 inbox) wrote:
the Apocalypse release will be three books
-The Standard Book Edition will be 60,00€
-There will also be a Collectors edition, but no price as of yet
-A Big Gamers Edition for 200,00€ (Something very big in it)
Actually that thing reminds me a lot of the old Khorne lord of battle from Epic (although minus the cool animal head, and obviously the scale would be somewhat smaller)
Holy death-dealing monstrosity! That looks brutal. I'm actually super pumped for when Apocalypse comes this summer. Now I just hope we get a massive Tyranid bug...
Damn I think I need a new job with apoc coming and all theses great ks I have already blew my hobby budget for the year now I using season ticket money :(
Oh yes oh god yes, apocalypse is basically my favourite thing to play, and they go and put a massive chaos kit out for it, looks like it's time to sell off all the junk I have sitting around doing nothing to prepare for the inevitable wallet destruction this will offer for me. I've been looking forward to this being made official for a long time, was really worried it wouldn't happen.
Holy mother of God, Khorne got dat new shipment of some top grade A swag.
I just need to know if theres gonna be a SM big kit for next month, otherwise I can go ahead and get the wraith knight in prep for a new big apoc game at my local GW.
Edit: "Hey Wraith Knight! Come and pick on someone your own size!"
I'm sorry, but am I the only one that thinks that thing looks ridiculous...I mean it looks like an action figure glued to a tank complete with "projectile shooting action!"
What the feth is that thing even supposed to be... a walker but with treads and a giant codpiece on the front? Also, a giant skull filled with skulls, could they be any more heavy handed about it? Perhaps what we can't see at the bottom of the picture is a giant Hoover there to suck up everyone's money since that thing will probably cost about $150.
Sig - Crons, they still got it, its just easy to kill now so no one uses it
Hey, he needs no driver, its a daemon engine
Also, those jugger heads on the side really do look out of place, and they are a spot on match to the crusher kit ones, so possible photoshop, but i cant place anything else from it.
I looked at it some more and I'm pretty sure it's real. The derpy face, the skulls in a skull, and the weird blend of hard and round is pretty much distinctive of GW's Chaos stuff. I'm pretty sure if someone mocked something up with a conversion they had made, it would look better or worse than this... but this has WTF Chaos written all over it.
On the upside, if all of the new stuff is this bad, I'll have an easy time passing.
If its fake someone went to a lot of effort to make the model, make a front cover and to use the paper that GW use for WD which curls in the middle for no apparent reason.
So instead of new greater daemons, we get this? ...On second thought, if this is the art direction chaos daemons is going, I don't think I want new greater daemons...
Yeah now I've had a chance to look at the kit I'm not the biggest fan, I'm more excited about the fact it's an apoc update confirmation. Not really a big fan of khorne so that kit would've been on the 'maybe' list regardless of its aesthetic. How are people complaining about skulls though, yes they're overused everywhere else but for once they're entirely appropriate to the kit. Definitely an updated deathdealer, I just hope the old sheets remain legal or see updates as I have a plague tower with a fair amount of money sunk into it and I was making a start on a couple of the fluffy datasheets.
FYI, the old Epic LoB has (in game) 2 battle cannons and the model has said gun in its mouth. Also, the Deathdealer has a stomach cannon. It's appropriate as the originals have them.
Lovepug13 wrote: I think the head is silly......but I am stoked for an Apoc update.....
IF it is a LoB, I say give it a dog-like head (as the things are supposed to be avatars of Khorne) and integrate the blade into its wrist and it's passable IMO.
I'll be the voice of dissent here and say I think it looks fantastic. The Lord of Battle was one of the first models I ever bought and I always wished there was a way to field one in 40k, while also being sure that something so odd would never see production. I'm also impressed by the level of detail, especially in things like the front dozer blade o' skulls - I can see saying you don't like the way it looks, but to say it's not a high quality, detailed model is pretty silly.
As for not liking the way it looks - well, this is all a part of a throwback to the aesthetic of the old Realms of Chaos, Lost and the Damned books and early GW Chaos, just like the Bloodletter chariots that were released. Frankly, I think that's a nice change from the increasingly bland models that have made up the Chaos range (I have plenty of Chaos Marines, but I find them pretty boring) and also a much preferable direction to that of the Heldrake and Fiends. But again, it's disingenuous to act like this is crap art direction that just comes out of nowhere; it has a very clear source and is clearly part of a directed effort.
My only complaint is that it will probably be even more expensive than the Wraithknight, and thus out of my price range.
I honestly can't believe someone signed off on that Khorne tank though. And hopefully Eldar have something more to look forward too other than a Knight Squadron :/
Hard to believe they wouldn't follow up the Eldar release with an Eldar apocc model.
AgeOfEgos wrote: Looks like a bad conversion--really missed the mark on that one-retro or not.
You're full of
If that's a conversion then it is the most amazing conversion ever done - even if you don't like the resulting model. The torso alone is making GK players jealous, wishing they could do that to their Knight so it wouldn't look like it belongs in a 40k parody of the Hangover.
Melissia wrote: That bloodknight is so horrible, I just can't stop laughing at how bad it is.
It's not called that.
Whatever it is, I don't think I've ever seen a model that made me burst in to giggles like this before...
I just can't stop laughing whenever I look at it. It's so bad... it's quite possibly the most ridiculous and stupid model that GW has ever made. Bar none...
AgeOfEgos wrote: Looks like a bad conversion--really missed the mark on that one-retro or not.
You're full of
If that's a conversion then it is the most amazing conversion ever done - even if you don't like the resulting model. The torso alone is making GK players jealous, wishing they could do that to their Knight so it wouldn't look like it belongs in a 40k parody of the Hangover.
If it wasn't probably massively out of scale, I'd wait for bitz sellers to get hold of these so I could repurpose that chest section for a DK.
It really is funny to watch crowds of people long for the old days, and when they translate old minis into an up to date form, crowds of people decry its aesthetics and how it "doesn't fit".
Melissia wrote: That bloodknight is so horrible, I just can't stop laughing at how bad it is.
It's not called that.
Whatever it is, I don't think I've ever seen a model that made me burst in to giggles like this before...
I just can't stop laughing whenever I look at it. It's so bad... it's quite possibly the most ridiculous and stupid model that GW has ever made. Bar none...
Just thought I'd put a stop to it before the internet echo chamber thinks it's named that.
It has specific elements that fail; but it's far from unsalvageable.
AgeOfEgos wrote: Looks like a bad conversion--really missed the mark on that one-retro or not.
You're full of
If that's a conversion then it is the most amazing conversion ever done - even if you don't like the resulting model. The torso alone is making GK players jealous, wishing they could do that to their Knight so it wouldn't look like it belongs in a 40k parody of the Hangover.
If it wasn't probably massively out of scale, I'd wait for bitz sellers to get hold of these so I could repurpose that chest section for a DK.
Once it comes out, I'm going to do a test fit to see if it's possible. If it is, the chest will probably be one of the most expensive bits on that kit.
I honestly can't believe someone signed off on that Khorne tank though. And hopefully Eldar have something more to look forward too other than a Knight Squadron :/
An excuse to sell 3 WK to every Apocalypse Eldar player I see.. GW will add a formation, I'm sure.
Melissia wrote: That bloodknight is so horrible, I just can't stop laughing at how bad it is.
It's not called that.
Whatever it is, I don't think I've ever seen a model that made me burst in to giggles like this before...
I just can't stop laughing whenever I look at it. It's so bad... it's quite possibly the most ridiculous and stupid model that GW has ever made. Bar none...
Just thought I'd put a stop to it before the internet echo chamber thinks it's named that.
It has specific elements that fail; but it's far from unsalvageable.
Maybe someone can mod it so I stop laughing every time I look at it, but that as an official model?
Seriously, my lungs hurt from giggling at that thing. It's so stupid, I can't help it.
AgeOfEgos wrote: Looks like a bad conversion--really missed the mark on that one-retro or not.
You're full of
If that's a conversion then it is the most amazing conversion ever done - even if you don't like the resulting model. The torso alone is making GK players jealous, wishing they could do that to their Knight so it wouldn't look like it belongs in a 40k parody of the Hangover.
If it wasn't probably massively out of scale, I'd wait for bitz sellers to get hold of these so I could repurpose that chest section for a DK.
Once it comes out, I'm going to do a test fit to see if it's possible. If it is, the chest will probably be one of the most expensive bits on that kit.
It might be a bit too big. Assuming those Juggernaut heads are the same size as the ones on the Bloodcrushers; then that is one big ass kit.
Shandara wrote: Hmm, that mega-monolith. Interesting that it has two variants in that pic.
I think they're just monolith variants, not a megalith. Too bad for me because I bought a second-hand monolith to do a conversion with and now, knowing it will always be weak-sauce next to these, I no longer want to go through with it. :(
I don't like this freaky thing. Please GW make some good looking small models and not awful big ridiculous crap... Tau Riptide was nice and Wraith knight ok. Both was interesting... Don't know how the Wraith knight will affect the game. Is it too powerful... time will tell...
But this thing is awful. Especially the head. I guess SM will get an other big knight model in the autumn.
The Lead Artist for CSM needs to stop playing Yu Gi Ho. Belly canon, really ? Big monolith ? why not something new, instead of a cheap and quick conversion ?
What's even worse is that he thing's arms are too short to actually make use of that axe-- and he can't bend his waist because the ridiculous... groin... cannon... gets in the way.
eflix29 wrote: The Lead Artist for CSM needs to stop playing Yu Gi Ho. Belly canon, really ? Big monolith ? why not something new, instead of a cheap and quick conversion ?
big disapoinment...
Cheap and quick?
Did you actually look at the model and have you ever seen a Monolith?
That thing looks as much as a Monolith as a Terminator looks like an ASM.
AgeOfEgos wrote: Looks like a bad conversion--really missed the mark on that one-retro or not.
You're full of
If that's a conversion then it is the most amazing conversion ever done - even if you don't like the resulting model. The torso alone is making GK players jealous, wishing they could do that to their Knight so it wouldn't look like it belongs in a 40k parody of the Hangover.
If it wasn't probably massively out of scale, I'd wait for bitz sellers to get hold of these so I could repurpose that chest section for a DK.
Once it comes out, I'm going to do a test fit to see if it's possible. If it is, the chest will probably be one of the most expensive bits on that kit.
I probably won't, in the end. I'll do something else to convert the DreadfulKnight model for use in the local GW store, and for every other game, I'll be using Dreamforge Games mini Leviathans in place of DKs.
Chaos has a Transformer to go with its Dinobots. AWESOME!!!*
Was trying to think about how I would expand my Necrons for the past day. Annnnd now I know. Those two models look amazing.
*I know it is "cool" right now to hate everything about what is released at the moment but I am glad the gritty realism fade is dying in favor of grim dark over the top.
I honestly can't believe someone signed off on that Khorne tank though. And hopefully Eldar have something more to look forward too other than a Knight Squadron :/
An excuse to sell 3 WK to every Apocalypse Eldar player I see.. GW will add a formation, I'm sure.
Of course. The fluff's already in place in the new codex. WKs are the safest way to gather supplies of Spirit Stones and the like, and there's a story of something like a dozen WKs going on an expedition of that sort.
Lovepug13 wrote: I think the head is silly......but I am stoked for an Apoc update.....
IF it is a LoB, I say give it a dog-like head (as the things are supposed to be avatars of Khorne) and integrate the blade into its wrist and it's passable IMO.
eflix29 wrote: The Lead Artist for CSM needs to stop playing Yu Gi Ho. Belly canon, really ? Big monolith ? why not something new, instead of a cheap and quick conversion ?
big disapoinment...
Cheap and quick?
Did you actually look at the model and have you ever seen a Monolith?
That thing looks as much as a Monolith as a Terminator looks like an ASM.
Take a monolith. Cut it in 4 part. Add a bit of plasticard between the four parts to make it bigger. Glue 2 canoptek spiders on each wall.
AgeOfEgos wrote:Looks like a bad conversion--really missed the mark on that one-retro or not.
Agreed. Even if it is a throwback to epic, I think it looks terrible: and it's a pretty good picture of it (from one angle) it seems.
Yeah--the throwbacks are popular in their design/model studio now--no doubt. Some of those throwbacks have quality aesthetics that are simply different than the last 5ish years of design---some are just poor 80s/90s modeling. I think this hold a majority of the latter.
Melissia wrote: What's even worse is that he thing's arms are too short to actually make use of that axe-- and he can't bend his waist because the ridiculous... groin... cannon... gets in the way.
I would've thought the axe was there so it could go toe-to-toe with other towering monstrosities on the battlefield like titans or knights or somesuch, rather than wasting its time sweeping away the chaff round its tracks...cos you know for damn sure it's not going to sit back and shoot, it being a Khorne Deamon engine; but hey, what do I know, I actually like the head, best part of the model imo...
eflix29 wrote: The Lead Artist for CSM needs to stop playing Yu Gi Ho. Belly canon, really ? Big monolith ? why not something new, instead of a cheap and quick conversion ?
big disapoinment...
Cheap and quick?
Did you actually look at the model and have you ever seen a Monolith?
That thing looks as much as a Monolith as a Terminator looks like an ASM.
Take a monolith. Cut it in 4 part. Add a bit of plasticard between the four parts to make it bigger. Glue 2 canoptek spiders on each wall.
ta-daa !
It doesn't look anything like a Monolith other than the fact that it's a rectangular pyramid.
Spartan089 wrote: I'm sorry, but am I the only one that thinks that thing looks ridiculous...I mean it looks like an action figure glued to a tank complete with "projectile shooting action!"
I agree.... Also I read that as "pedophile shooting action" must get sleep before I dakka.
Necron thingies, fairly cool. I'm wondering whether they'll release 2 models like the 'Watchtower' and 'dreadstone blight' or maybe they open and close somehow?
Khorne Lord of Battle thingy? Terrible, terrible model.
Good news is, with no Imperial Knights, more money for Deadzone.
I think that's just one monolith model, it looks like it slides open, I hope that's the case anyway, that model is making me want to get some necrons now.
Is that skulldozer as extreme as the Mantic 's Female Enforcer Pathfinder Sniper on Infiltration Bike? I can't tell which idea contains more committee-designed "all things to all people" attributes.
I think the Lord of Battle/Helknight/Lord Skullington can be fixed with the right head. The head it has right now is what makes it so incredibly herp-a-derp stupid. Those Monoliths though? Wow. I am impressed.
midget_overlord wrote: I don't recognise the top left piece of terrain, I've built most kits (except the recent wall of martyrs) could it be a new one?
You noticed that too, huh? It intrigues me more than the flying Monolith.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I think the Lord of Battle/Helknight/Lord Skullington can be fixed with the right head. The head it has right now is what makes it so incredibly herp-a-derp stupid. Those Monoliths though? Wow. I am impressed.
It's really easy to make a walker (knight or titan or whatever the scale is) as well which makes it a lot less stupid. In fact then it's pretty awesome for a Khorne model (bunny ears and skulls galore).
Therion wrote: It's really easy to make a walker (knight or titan or whatever the scale is) as well which makes it a lot less stupid. In fact then it's pretty awesome for a Khorne model (bunny ears and skulls galore).
I don't mind the "bunny ears" either. That's Khorne's thing. I wish the tops weren't two skulls having a staring competition, but still, there's nothing wrong with a combined head/Rune of Khorne. It's the face that's the problem. Maybe if it had that cool mask from the Defiler, or a Boba Fett style eye-slit rather than a idiotic looking giant possessed face.
Nothing a little green stuff can't fix. Not an excuse for making a silly model, but atleast we can fix it if we want to.
I'm currently really curious what direction GW is taking 40K. Is Apocalypse still a stand alone game or is it just a supplement to 40K? Will Titans, Stompas, superheavy tanks etc. become mainstay for standard 40K games? Business wise there's only one choice. Baneblades and Stompas have to be allowed for standard 40K. It will boost their sales skyhigh.
Well, new lith thing is a single kit atleast.
Both options from the same one.
You can see on the open one it has like a dog tooth type locking system for the panels.
You can also see that on the closed one, im guessing its ment to be a visible join?
Other than that, they are detail for detail the same.
Honestly, the Khorne thing doesnt look that bad. And whats wrong with it (the face...) isnt a hard fix. Just slap a spare Defiler helmet peice on it, or a Jugger head if youre feeling adventurous. The Arm length problem noted also wouldnt be impossible to fix. Overall it has a few easy to fix flaws so should still be worth it.
The mega-monolith are ok. Looks like some kind of super weapon of doom inside. Maybe they will be very tough to kill in the closed mode and more exposed after they open up to fire that weapon inside?
But that ing transformer thing of Khorne. Did the design team get some kind of mental breakdown!
I think there is details that are nice and I understand the idea to make something inspired by the old epic model.
But the result is embarrassing. The placement of the dick canon, the torso, ugly face and the short arms.
The hydraulic things in the waist?... Ahh... please...
unmercifulconker wrote: People complain about the 'toyish' look of new models, GW decides to create something from the past, changing it to look like a badly designed toy, and people complain, internet 101.
There, fixed it for you. They didn't just go to the past, they went to the past and then made it look stupid. It wasn't exactly kingly to begin with, but it looked far better then the abomination on the WD cover.
unmercifulconker wrote: People complain about the 'toyish' look of new models, GW decides to create something from the past, changing it to look like a badly designed toy, and people complain, internet 101.
There, fixed it for you. They didn't just go to the past, they went to the past and then made it look stupid. It wasn't exactly kingly to begin with, but it looked far better then the abomination on the WD cover.
No, it really didn't.
I really don't get the current fad to call everything coming out "toyish"...scratch that, it's only the big stuff that's being called that. If the stuff lately is toyish, then so is the Stompa.
The Skulldozer looks kinda silly, but so did epic Lord of Battle. New one certainly looks way better, it is just that the whole tank-centaur thing looks daft no matter how you do it. Parts look good, I just think they'd look better as a separate walker and a separate giant tank, instead of combining the two.
Honestly, the only part I'm not fond of based on this pic is the actual torso part. I think messing around with an alternative for the torso, or maybe converting it a bit to make it a tad less static, could make it look pretty cool. The tank part looks pretty cool to me, from what we can see. I'm really interested to see the Necron vehicles.
P.S. The paint on that model look sub-par at best, so that could have something to do with it. A lot of the paint jobs on the bigger models are pretty gakky.
unmercifulconker wrote: People complain about the 'toyish' look of new models, GW decides to create something from the past, changing it to look like a badly designed toy, and people complain, internet 101.
There, fixed it for you. They didn't just go to the past, they went to the past and then made it look stupid. It wasn't exactly kingly to begin with, but it looked far better then the abomination on the WD cover.
I don't share the extreme derision for the new Khorn thing. It isn't as silly as the maulerfiend or dreadknight. Although I think the "skulldozer" label is going to stick. On the other hand, those Necron ???oliths look pretty damned sweet.
The combination of the VERY white face, without much visible shading, and slightly blurry pic make it hard to make out any real detail in the face. Looks very washed out to me. I HOPE that there's more detail there to redeem it. Not that it really matters to me as a consumer, though, I don't do Khorne or Nurgle, so wouldn't be buying it anyway.
Games Workshop Fulchester wrote:Yes, the "coming soon" Khorne Lord of Battle / Bloodknight model is meant to look like a midget squatting on a wheelchair. It's a deliberate design choice; midgets are cool.
Ahtman wrote: Toys are a lot cheaper, and GW isn't in the toy business either.
Point of information: Yes they are. The CEO even said it himself - "... selling toys to children...".
I thought they were an 'hobby gaming industry', and were for 'elites'. Of course it seems I hear different things coming out of them all the time that seem contradictory on how they want their company viewed, so who knows. I still contend that actual toys are cheaper. It also will come down to how broadly or narrowly we define 'toy' as well. I tend to see toys as being something for children to play with, whereas I would not let a child play with these things for a myriad of reasons.
Ahtman wrote: I thought they were an 'hobby gaming industry', and were for 'elites'. Of course it seems I hear different things coming out of them all the time that seem contradictory on how they want their company viewed, so who knows. I still contend that actual toys are cheaper. It also will come down to how broadly or narrowly we define 'toy' as well. I tend to see toys as being something for children to play with, whereas I would not let a child play with these things for a myriad of reasons.
I'm really quite surprised that we got this much, right on the heels of the Eldar release. I didn't expect much in the way of substantial rumors for another couple weeks.
Toys are a lot cheaper, and GW isn't in the toy business either.
Not sure what version of English you speak buuuuut models and miniatures are toys. You play with toys, it is okay.
The fact that the daemonic centaur tank from the 41st make believe millennium looks silly seems par for the the course over these past 15 years I have been playing. Might be just me but nothing in 40k isn't silly and ridiculous. Especially if you use the new if GW made it I hate it and here is why point of view. Go ahead try it right now. Look at your current collection and find something that isn't silly and looks like a toy.
I'm really quite surprised that we got this much, right on the heels of the Eldar release. I didn't expect much in the way of substantial rumors for another couple weeks.
Indeed, super grateful for whoever brought us this, but you cant help thinking, where are those other pages?
noun
1. an object, often a small representation of something familiar, as an animal or person, for children or others to play with; plaything. (Ok, they got us here)
2. a thing or matter of little or no value or importance; a trifle. (Missed us here)
3. something that serves for or as if for diversion, rather than for serious practical use. (Ok, they got us here)
4. a small article of little value but prized as a souvenir or for some other special reason; trinket; knickknack; bauble. (Missed us here)
5. something diminutive, especially in comparison with like objects. (Ok, they got us here)
Toys are a lot cheaper, and GW isn't in the toy business either.
Not sure what version of English you speak buuuuut models and miniatures are toys. You play with toys, it is okay.
I have no issue admitting to playing with toys or not, but I don't categorize these things as toys. Again, it will depend on how broadly or narrowly you define toy, or if you want to use it as slang for 'anything you like*' or as a pejorative to try and insult someones maturity level.
*Someone calling a truck, or boat, a 'big boy toy' still wouldn't classify it as a toy, for example.
Personally I prefer the Skulldozer. It is suitably metal and Khorne. Definitely something you could find the cast of Metalocolypse building and making a song to haha.
Personally I prefer the Skulldozer. It is suitably metal and Khorne. Definitely something you could find the cast of Metalocolypse building and making a song to haha.
Toys are a lot cheaper, and GW isn't in the toy business either.
Not sure what version of English you speak buuuuut models and miniatures are toys. You play with toys, it is okay.
I have no issue admitting to playing with toys or not, but I don't categorize these things as toys. Again, it will depend on how broadly or narrowly you define toy, or if you want to use it as slang for 'anything you like*' or as a pejorative to try and insult someones maturity level.
*Someone calling a truck, or boat, a 'big boy toy' still wouldn't classify it as a toy, for example.
Those things can be called toys yes. An if you see them as a toy they would be I suppose. Scale has not much to do with it.
Toy: Something you can play a game with or just play with.
Warhammer 40k: A game.
Warhammer 40k miniatures: Toys used to play a game with.
If you don't like playing the game. Then I suppose they would be just toys you collect. But calling 40k a collection seems to be a big no no right now....despite people collecting 40k miniatures.
Simply ask an impartial observer what they think. Odds are they will call them toys. With out all the emotional attachment placed on them. They are simply toys.
I love this thing, there's plenty of room for gleeful silliness in 40k alongside the relentless grimdark. I do wish it was less Khorne-specific as my Word Bearers have little use for this, but it's a nice homage to the Lord of Battle. The Monoliths are nice too. Here's hoping for a plastic Knight Titan.
Alkasyn wrote: I don't know a lot more, but I added a pic I found to the OP:
Looks like this flying monolith thing opens to reveal the doodads inside. The green one seems to be closed, while the white and blue one is open. I wonder how have GW managed to engineer such a miniature without it falling apart on every game.
As for the Lord of Battles, I'd like it more if it wasn't for the mime face, really.
That Khornate tank thing looks...like something out of WoW. When I see that, I don't think "massive slaughter engine of the dark gods" I think "silly goblin contraption".
The monoliths look interesting, a new take on a decade old model, but a bit more detailed than I'd care to bother painting, like most of the new Necron range
Vaktathi wrote: That Khornate tank thing looks...like something out of WoW. When I see that, I don't think "massive slaughter engine of the dark gods" I think "silly goblin contraption".
Same core of the kit, but with extra sprues added for the 'open' version. 2 different sets of rules, probably something like a 'sealed' and 'unsealed.' Title.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: Looks like this flying monolith thing opens to reveal the doodads inside. The green one seems to be closed, while the white and blue one is open. I wonder how have GW managed to engineer such a miniature without it falling apart on every game.
I too wonder how practical a 'transforming' model is - it would need to be very robust and well-balanced to handle the four outer hull corners swinging in and out. Perhaps instead this is one kit that can be assembled in two different ways, either as open and closed variants or two completely separate units?
Re the Khorneblower, it looks like amazing conversion potential but rather meh as is. A looted Ork version would be particularly amusing. As would a mega-Defiler/SoulGrinder, minus the tracks (which in turn would be a great basis for some other vehicle).
Agent_Tremolo wrote: Looks like this flying monolith thing opens to reveal the doodads inside. The green one seems to be closed, while the white and blue one is open. I wonder how have GW managed to engineer such a miniature without it falling apart on every game.
I too wonder how practical a 'transforming' model is - it would need to be very robust and well-balanced to handle the four outer hull corners swinging in and out. Perhaps instead this is one kit that can be assembled in two different ways, either as open and closed variants or two completely separate units?
It looks like there are support pieces that are glued into place. All these pieces are hard plastic, too. This likely means the super monolith is either assembled open like on the left or closed like on the right but does not do both at the same time.
unmercifulconker wrote:People complain about the 'toyish' look of new models, GW decides to create something from the past, people complain, internet 101.
Games Workshop Fulchester wrote:Yes, the "coming soon" Khorne Lord of Battle / Bloodknight model is meant to look like a midget squatting on a wheelchair. It's a deliberate design choice; midgets are cool.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: Looks like this flying monolith thing opens to reveal the doodads inside. The green one seems to be closed, while the white and blue one is open. I wonder how have GW managed to engineer such a miniature without it falling apart on every game.
I too wonder how practical a 'transforming' model is - it would need to be very robust and well-balanced to handle the four outer hull corners swinging in and out. Perhaps instead this is one kit that can be assembled in two different ways, either as open and closed variants or two completely separate units?
It looks like there are support pieces that are glued into place. All these pieces are hard plastic, too. This likely means the super monolith is either assembled open like on the left or closed like on the right but does not do both at the same time.
Yes, the more I look the more I see there's no way for all that pipework to fold in without using rubber or some other flexible material. That discards the "transforming kit" option.
@Kroothawk - Precisely, I recall that Gormiti toy from an old video (can't remember if it was Miniwargaming or BOW) in which they jokingly tried to pass it off as a new Necron superheavy
Pox Apostle wrote: What the feth is that thing even supposed to be... a walker but with treads and a giant codpiece on the front? Also, a giant skull filled with skulls, could they be any more heavy handed about it? Perhaps what we can't see at the bottom of the picture is a giant Hoover there to suck up everyone's money since that thing will probably cost about $150.
haha! Thanks for this.
Mantic KS just finished, hopefully you disenchanted types got in on it (I did).
Wow...the amount of drivel and useless comments people can posts still amazes me...
This Lord of battle/Deathdealer kit is awesome, just not enough skulls, but its okay i guess...
Now i do hope that its not the only Chaos model for Apoc.
And poeple, for once, go make your own Super Heavy model, and we well see how it turn out...
60% of the poeple who posts that this kit looks stupid, doesn't do/paint better models in their armies, but thats my opinion, as it is yours that its looks stupid.
Kind of surprised they went with the Lord of Battle from epic. In the context of the old epic khorne range, the epic version Lord of Battle is pretty nice, it is just really out dated now.
I would have gone for the Nurgle Plague tower myself, or some vesion of that. Now if they had gone for the slaaneshi hell knights from epic people would just criticize them for "another walker" so I have to credit them for doing something a bit different.
I dont play apocalypse and dont plan to so my wallet will be spared from buying this
The thing looks like an actual toy the more I look at it, like an action figure off a store shelf. That's what's really wrong, it doesn't look like a wargaming miniature but a Toys-R-Us Action Figure.
Now I think that is looking quite like an action toy for young children in that shot, Im not sure on it until i see better photos.
The skulls dont bother me though, in the fluff all the bad ass Khornate stuff is covered in em !
I'd love to hear, from all those crying "toy!" or "action figure!", just how would you redesign it to make it less so? Please describe the features that you would change, and describe what it would look like after said changes.
shade1313 wrote: I'd love to hear, from all those crying "toy!" or "action figure!", just how would you redesign it to make it less so? Please describe the features that you would change, and describe what it would look like after said changes.
Have you even read the thread? People have spoken about the head, the arms, the chest, the unfortunate "belly" gun and how they'd change it. Pay attention.
shade1313 wrote: I'd love to hear, from all those crying "toy!" or "action figure!", just how would you redesign it to make it less so? Please describe the features that you would change, and describe what it would look like after said changes.
Have you even read the thread? People have spoken about the head, the arms, the chest, the unfortunate "belly" gun and how they'd change it. Pay attention.
I do pay attention, thank you so very much. I've read almost NO real description of what they'd rather it look like, just a whole lot of "The head looks terrible", or "how can it hit ground units with that axe", or numerous references to a penile weapon from people who fail basic anatomy.
The Khorne one isn't terrible. It's got some good features. The necron ones just look like fatter, even uglier Monoliths. Seriously. Those things look stupid as hell.
But regardless, I wouldn't buy EITHER of these, nor any other giant fightan robots that GW comes out with. No Riptides, no Wraithknights, none of that crap.
Chaos is really the last faction that could've used a giant walker. Why not give them a new daemon instead, or something like a scaled up 'decimator' engine. Just think what the side view of this thing will look like, my bet is it's ass will be at least 8 inches long.
shade1313 wrote: I'd love to hear, from all those crying "toy!" or "action figure!", just how would you redesign it to make it less so? Please describe the features that you would change, and describe what it would look like after said changes.
Too bulbous/smooth/regular. It looks like a big Space Marine with some arrow icons and an extra packet of skulls tossed onto a Baneblade.
Look at the Forgeworlds chaos walkers. They look much more organic, tortured, scarred, asymetrical. See how the arrows/stars on the Decimator look tortured, they look like scars rising out of the metal itself, not like the clean ornamentation of this thing.
I'm just hoping its the tip of the iceberg, although I can't believe that Marines somewhere are not getting something next month, but my Orks and Guard are hoping as well.
shade1313 wrote: I'd love to hear, from all those crying "toy!" or "action figure!", just how would you redesign it to make it less so? Please describe the features that you would change, and describe what it would look like after said changes.
Too bulbous/smooth/regular. It looks like a big Space Marine with some arrow icons and an extra packet of skulls tossed onto a Baneblade.
Look at the Forgeworlds chaos walkers. They look much more organic, tortured, scarred, asymetrical. See how the arrows/stars on the Decimator look tortured, they look like scars rising out of the metal itself, not like the clean ornamentation of this thing.
Okay, something constructive. Do you think that a decent effort scarring this model up and making it look more battleworn would improve it significantly?
The Decimator is a good example. That thing is huge and intimidating. This thing is not intimidating. The reaction has been laughter, not "OMGWTFBBQ!". That's not a good thing.
We were joking about what sort of "Knight" the Marines were going to get ('cause let's face it, Marine players need their oval base release as well) and someone joked that it'd be called the Stormknight. Weird thing is, that's not a bad name. It fits with Marine nomenclature, and isn’t too on the nose (as much as an out-of-no-where-fluff-retcon massive feth-off walker can be on the nose).
One thing I note about the Decimator's look is that its armor is VERY angular, where a lot of the newer stuff that people are blasting is that the newer stuff in the main Citadel line has more compound curves to its armor plating, such as the 'Fiends and the DV Helbrute. I can understand that aesthetic criticism, although I disagree that it's a design point that invites the label of "toy".
shade1313 wrote: I'd love to hear, from all those crying "toy!" or "action figure!", just how would you redesign it to make it less so? Please describe the features that you would change, and describe what it would look like after said changes.
I assume that you do not mean me, as i just made a comment, hardly crying. Il give you a more in depth opinion though, as you seem so interested lol Id ditch it and make a tower of skulls, a doom blaster or a cauldron of blood instead.
Im not sure how you could improve that look, its the entire concept that i am not keen on, not any particular detail or features it has.
I never really liked the Idea of having an upper torso on wheels/tracks in the first place, the lord of battle and the deathdealer that I had in Epic scale, never got much loving. Seemed to me like the whole idea never really took much thought.
Having said all that though, I cant say I hate it at this stage, there may be more options for some of the parts that make it look better to me I guess.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The Decimator is a good example. That thing is huge and intimidating. This thing is not intimidating. The reaction has been laughter, not "OMGWTFBBQ!". That's not a good thing.
We were joking about what sort of "Knight" the Marines were going to get ('cause let's face it, Marine players need their oval base release as well) and someone joked that it'd be called the Stormknight. Weird thing is, that's not a bad name. It fits with Marine nomenclature, and isn’t too on the nose (as much as an out-of-no-where-fluff-retcon massive feth-off walker can be on the nose).
Really? I was going to go with the Termiknightor.
But honestly the only thing that chaos warmachine is good for it to be used for kitbashing with its relevant parts (much like the warshrine) and never assembled as intended. That said, the necron monoliths are fantastic, especially the open one. The only thing I don't trust are the flight stands on those monoliths, hopefully they're the sturdy ones used for fliers like the valkyrie rather than the ball-socket or the regular flying stands.
Ehsteve wrote: That said, the necron monoliths are fantastic, especially the open one. The only thing I don't trust are the flight stands on those monoliths, hopefully they're the sturdy ones used for fliers like the valkyrie rather than the ball-socket or the regular flying stands.
If you look at the pic again, they're definitely on flier stands. Big oval, cross shaped stem.
The Khorne thingy really is just another toy to go along with the rest of the latest Chaos releases imo. What could be improved about it? Dunno, the entire concept was just plain stupid to begin with so in GW's defence there was really no way they could have made it look good at all! That being said I think if the torso part was less chubby looking it might start to look okay, just okay mind you..
Now the monoliths on the other hand. Damn they look nice, dare I say it, amazing! Also the best thing on a flyer stand since the valkyrie or maybe the DE ship.
Still, Mantic got my money for this summer so unless GW do something absolutely incredible they still aren't getting my money.
I could totally get behind the Khornemower if it was the torso attached to a set of defiler legs, like the Soulgrinder. But as it stands it's just plain..... awkward.
Also, not really liking the flying monoliths. They have too much stuff going on. The whole point of the Monolith's look was the clean, "monolithic" lines of the Necron style.
Maybe it comes with a special sprue that allows you to connect it to two Hellturkeys and two Dinobots to make a true Mega-Zord (the Khornetron 8000!)?
AegisGrimm wrote: Also, not really liking the flying monoliths. They have too much stuff going on. The whole point of the Monolith's look was the clean, "monolithic" lines of the Necron style.
What Necrons were and what Necrons are now are very different things.
I don't like the Khorne thingy, but the monolith thingy with the singularity in the middle is plastic awesome painted in crack and delivered by Scarlett Johanssonon on a hover-board. I want 3 and I don't play Necrons.
I never did like the Epic chaos stuff, it looked too wacky. You can just about get away with it for Epic but blown up top 40K scale the concepts and models are way off. The Lord of Battle was an exception though, it had promise. The main problem being that for all the variety of chaos the range was very poor, each item looked like a unique one off but had to be spammed as the army list contained little else beyond one or two designs per god, so Nurgle had plague towers and nothing else, only certain gods had certain types of titan etc.
I wonder if it will have extra bitz to make a similar engine for a different god?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Maybe it comes with a special sprue that allows you to connect it to two Hellturkeys and two Dinobots to make a true Mega-Zord (the Khornetron 8000!).
I can not wrap my brain around why GW is afraid to make a bazillion dollars/pounds/"x" currency by releasing a plastic warhound and instead keep pumping out dino-bots and angry mega-zoids. I for one would buy at least 2, they are easily usable by loyalists AND traitor units so everyone is snagging them. Well except for the dirty filthy xenos lovers. But GW hates them too, (I kid!)
I like the retro look to the Chaos kit. It will look even better once real painters get ahold of it.
I wonder if Tau will get something along these lines since we just got a "large" kit in the riptide? I think a formation will be a given but might be nice to see a large flyer (perhaps Vespid) or another large suit or Knarloc.
Nice find, MGS. Obviously GWS will now have to travel back and time and sue whoever made those for copyright infringement, obviously, but this is great news, nonetheless.
Seriously that Khorne thing is laugh out loud awful. How does something like that get made? Tell me, for I wish to know. Did a middle schooler doodle it in homeroom, and somehow from there it found it's way to Nottingham?
The Necron stuff is pretty good looks like though, but I have to wait to see what they transform into.
As for the Khorne thing, it almost feels like it harkens back to the old days of silliness and fun, when models like Big-Hatted Chaos Dwarfs and such were acceptable
Honestly back in the, I hate to use the term, good old days
Sure there are still touches of new Warhammer, skulls everywhere, huge plastic kit and silly name, but it has a more classic feel to it.
Things to worry about.
1. Who is writing this update remember it could be the "Spiritual Liege" Matt Ward
2. Chaos is a toy? Yeah that things look ridiculous I mean it looks like they ripped a Bane-blade in half and decided to go Orky on it.
3. Necrons- HOLY Those things look like Flying Monoliths which bring me back to my first point if Matt ward has anything to do with this prepared for Apoc Necrons that can take out EVERYTHING on turn zero
4. Be cautious this could all be fake
5. This is a worse case scenario
Makaleth wrote: I am ashamed at everyone for not thinking of this:
"The Great Khorneholio!!!"
That is all.
Dude, you just won the Internet when it comes to 40K today.
I like the look of these new Apocalypse kits, should be a lot of fun (in spite of the anticipated prices). I'm always in trouble when there's a new Daemon Engine about and an enormous one will be mandatory for my Chaos Marine forces which already have a Tower of Skulls, Baneblade variants, and lots more.
I can't wait for theset o have plastic models, but at the same time I'm really not looking forward to posts complaining on how these are just rip offs from warmachines jacks.
Any addition to apocalypse is great, I don't get to play as much, so when we do manage to set a day,we try to go big.
I feel like forgeworld will need to update all their books again too :(
Didn't you quote some GW store guy on facebook saying this kit is a Lord of Battle / Blood Knight dual box? Was that just a jest? Because that would make sense as I assume the LoB would be this bum on wheels guy and the BK would be the walker that everyone actually wanted. Then this would be a great kit.
Therion wrote: Didn't you quote some GW store guy on facebook saying this kit is a Lord of Battle / Blood Knight dual box? Was that just a jest? Because that would make sense as I assume the LoB would be this bum on wheels guy and the BK would be the walker that everyone actually wanted. Then this would be a great kit.
Therion wrote: Didn't you quote some GW store guy on facebook saying this kit is a Lord of Battle / Blood Knight dual box? Was that just a jest? Because that would make sense as I assume the LoB would be this bum on wheels guy and the BK would be the walker that everyone actually wanted. Then this would be a great kit.
Therion wrote: Didn't you quote some GW store guy on facebook saying this kit is a Lord of Battle / Blood Knight dual box? Was that just a jest? Because that would make sense as I assume the LoB would be this bum on wheels guy and the BK would be the walker that everyone actually wanted. Then this would be a great kit.
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On Topic: This won't really affect me, because I don't tend to play apocalypse. I think it would almost be better if they let FW push apoc and then they (GW) could focus on their other releases. Maybe rereleasing Inquisitor? Let's get that rumour going until it becomes a reality!
I still maintain the Lord of Battle can be salvaged.
I just want more pics of them Monoliths. I get that the earthquakes in the area where these photos are taken prevent them from being the best quality, but there ars usually more of them.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I still maintain the Lord of Battle can be salvaged.
I just want more pics of them Monoliths. I get that the earthquakes in the area where these photos are taken prevent them from being the best quality, but there ars usually more of them.
So what's your guess, will this model be Apocalypse only, or will the next few months be some revolution of 40K where the truly big guys make their appearance in 1500 point games and what not?
Therion wrote: So what's your guess, will this model be Apocalypse only, or will the next few months be some revolution of 40K where the truly big guys make their appearance in 1500 point games and what not?
Unfortunately this is an area where my own personal wishes (that everything – Apoc units, FW units, and so on – be integrated into the main ruleset) are so strong that I can’t make an objective comment.
I don’t think GW will, and I think this Lord of Skullbattlebloodknight will be a super-heavy only useable in big games/Apoc. I think it would be in GW’s greater interest to have less “silo” like gaming experiences and try to merge them, but we all know it goes with GW and silos: they love the mother fethers, so I think we’re out of luck.
I dream for the day when an army with a Baneblade is something no one bats an eyelid at, but that’s a long way off I think. I’d love to be wrong though.
As for the Taco Bell article, well, didn't they also have one saying how FW was going to become a normal thing in 6th Ed? That didn't happen now did it?
I love the new megalith. I don't even play 40k anymore but it shows that GW can still build good kits, with good detail instead of just slapping random skulls on it and calling that detail, as well as actually make models that fit in with the rest of the armies aesthetics.
The Bloodknight thing however is the exact opposite. Once again they are completely ignoring the look of the rest of the army and slapping together something big for the sake of having something big. You can't argue the skulls = GWs idea of detail since it is a Khorne unit but the face looks just terrible and it is in no way intimidating. It looks like it would take a lot to kill, but it also looks like it will park in your opponents backfield and shoot you to death which is very un-Khornite. It should look like it is charging forward, not sitting there.
jonolikespie wrote: It looks like it would take a lot to kill, but it also looks like it will park in your opponents backfield and shoot you to death which is very un-Khornite.
You do know that most Khornate Daemon Engines were or had massive cannons to some degree, right? There's even one called the "Great Cannon of Khorne" which is just a massive gun! Their melee ability mostly consisted of ramming things whilst using a multitude of guns to slaughter anything in range.
jonolikespie wrote: It looks like it would take a lot to kill, but it also looks like it will park in your opponents backfield and shoot you to death which is very un-Khornite.
You do know that most Khornate Daemon Engines were or had massive cannons to some degree, right? There's even one called the "Great Cannon of Khorne" which is just a massive gun! Their melee ability mostly consisted of ramming things whilst using a multitude of guns to slaughter anything in range.
It's not that it is armed with a gun, it's that it looks far too static.
I have no problems with guns on Khornite things, but it also has a giant axe and feels like it should be charging in while shooting instead of sitting there.
Maybe it just holds the axe level and spins its torso around 360 degrees?
But I agree, it is too static. Like it or hate it, the Helbrute did take the standard Marine Dreadnaught archetype and put some movement into it. It's a shame they couldn't do the same thing here. Of course, that said, we haven't seen what the kit is possible of yet. The Wraithknight has a range of movements, as does the Riptide, and while I don't expect the same level of pose-a-bility (it is on tracks after all), we might get something.
jonolikespie wrote: The Bloodknight thing however is the exact opposite. Once again they are completely ignoring the look of the rest of the army and slapping together something big for the sake of having something big.
Actually...
Grimtuff wrote: The chest cannon and the tanks on its back make it look a little like a Deathdealer to me.
Orlanth wrote: I never did like the Epic chaos stuff, it looked too wacky. You can just about get away with it for Epic but blown up top 40K scale the concepts and models are way off. The Lord of Battle was an exception though, it had promise. The main problem being that for all the variety of chaos the range was very poor, each item looked like a unique one off but had to be spammed as the army list contained little else beyond one or two designs per god, so Nurgle had plague towers and nothing else, only certain gods had certain types of titan etc.
I wonder if it will have extra bitz to make a similar engine for a different god?
There were no similar Daemon Engines for the other Gods. Why should there be?
jonolikespie wrote: The Bloodknight thing however is the exact opposite. Once again they are completely ignoring the look of the rest of the army and slapping together something big for the sake of having something big.
Actually...
Grimtuff wrote: The chest cannon and the tanks on its back make it look a little like a Deathdealer to me.
Spoiler:
If nothing else it looks like it wants to be moving forward more than the new thing.. I guess that's an improvement imo?
I don't know how to answer that without breaking a rule, so..."Yes."
If you like "stupid" that's fine, but personally I don't think "stupid" is worth shelling out over $100+ for.
Ahtman wrote: I tend to see toys as being something for children to play with, whereas I would not let a child play with these things for a myriad of reasons.
There's actually a whole market of adult toy collectors. Go look at Hot Toys or Sideshow Collectibles for a good example. Really pricey and amazingly detailed, not the kinda thing you would ever buy for a child to play with if you were still sane.
GW doesn't seem to know what the feth it wants to be, either that or it's desperately trying to be all things to all people because it wants money and doesn't know which market to focus their energy on. Hence "We're a toy company, we sell toys to kids, that's why the models look silly! No, we sell works of art to collectors, that's why they're so expensive! No, we're a game company, that's why we charge out the ass for our rules! No, we're a model company, that's why the rules suck and we have no other games!"
Anyway, I acknowledge that the Khorne tank is a throwback to an old model. That said, not every old design is worth revisiting, some old stuff really is just silly and probably better off left in the past. This I feel is probably one of those designs. Maybe if they could have done a better job "re-imagining" that old unit then it wouldn't be so bad, but as it is, it just retains too much of that old silliness for me. Although I remember when the soul grinder came out that I once expressed interest in seeing something like that with tank treads instead of mechanical legs, so it's not like I'm opposed to the concept of a demonic centauroid with a mechanical lower body, but this isn't very well-executed I feel. I don't like how the body just looks like an up-scaled WHF Chaos warrior glued to a tank, that and he has a really goofy head/face. I think I'd like it better if it looked more like a demon melded to the tank, or maybe more robotic with more hydraulics and cables than literally a giant armored knight holding an axe.
I actually twitched a little when I saw the picture.
The Necron stuff actually looks somewhat interesting, but that Khorne thing...dear god, it looks mind-bogglingly stupid. The Dreadknight may very well be de-throned.
Well if the rules are any good, you can always go the scratch built way. Not to bring up an ancient thread, but here's a Banelord of Khorne I did a few years back based on the old Apocalypse Data Sheet.
I had more time on my hands back then, but I'm sure a smaller version could be done more easily.
Sidstyler wrote: Anyway, I acknowledge that the Khorne tank is a throwback to an old model. That said, not every old design is worth revisiting, some old stuff really is just silly and probably better off left in the past.
Orlanth wrote: I never did like the Epic chaos stuff, it looked too wacky. You can just about get away with it for Epic but blown up top 40K scale the concepts and models are way off. The Lord of Battle was an exception though, it had promise. The main problem being that for all the variety of chaos the range was very poor, each item looked like a unique one off but had to be spammed as the army list contained little else beyond one or two designs per god, so Nurgle had plague towers and nothing else, only certain gods had certain types of titan etc.
I wonder if it will have extra bitz to make a similar engine for a different god?
There were no similar Daemon Engines for the other Gods. Why should there be?
What are you talking about? There were Epic scale Daemon Engines released for all four powers, although the Khorne ones were first. The Nurgle Plague Tower is the most likely candidate for a dual kit, since it was about the same size as the Lord of Battle and is just a big tower with guns on a wheeled platform. The Contagion Engine was a catapult on a wheeled platform, so that would work too. The Slaanesh Engines were all walkers, and the Tzeentch Engines were all flyers, so they obviously wouldn't be a dual kit with this; is that what you meant by "no similar Daemon Engines?"
I don't think this actually will be a dual kit, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to make a Khorne/Nurgle kit out of this, it would certainly help the sales given how many people use Nurgle CSM armies.
shade1313 wrote: I'd love to hear, from all those crying "toy!" or "action figure!", just how would you redesign it to make it less so? Please describe the features that you would change, and describe what it would look like after said changes.
1. The head is terrible. It is ugly and unintimidating. I'd get rid of the headpiece and make the head bigger, give it a proper mouth that doesn't extend all the way up to its nostrils and cast it in two sections so you could have your daemon engine of the god of slaughter rearing its head back and roaring.
2. The pose is terrible. Even if the elbows and shoulders were articulated, the gutcannon probably makes it impossible to give it a proper dynamic pose - chaingun forwards, axe behind, for example.
3. The detailing is poor. Skulls are not a space filler. And I'd make the body more angular than puffy.
That mega monolith is definitely a dual kit. The corner plating is exactly the same. Either these are two different super heavies, or the one on the left is its "Activated form" cus it looks like the rightmost one, but more "Opened"
off khorne guy.
