Juggalo17 wrote: Loving the Khornmower lol, i see that it might require a little work to get it to where we want it, particularly a face lift, here is what i plan to do with it ATM, (excuse the crappy photoshop skills)... face lift and barrel extention... for the face im thinking like this guy (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1710142a) but bigger
It's kinda their "thing", y'know? I mean, when most people release teasers they do give some indication of what the thing is. GW takes the opposite tact - show as little as possible.
Snrub wrote: What was the point of the lines about the blind and madmen??
Not apocalypse related in any way. Way to be cryptic GeeDubs.
Maybe they like taking their cues from Hitchcock: show as little as possible and generate suspense. It explains why no one watches the old thrillers anymore, if you can't see the monster in the first ten minutes of the movie, its a ripoff, right?
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: Maybe they like taking their cues from Hitchcock: show as little as possible and generate suspense. It explains why no one watches the old thrillers anymore, if you can't see the monster in the first ten minutes of the movie, its a ripoff, right?
What...? Who thinks that? Lets not even get into the fact you just compared a GW teaser trailer to a Hitchcock film.
New Apoc rules might be the thing that keeps me playing 40k for the next few years. I'm done with competitive play, and I'm enjoying the hell out of warmachine, and really want to get more into KOW and epic, and that kind of leaves poor 40k without any time left.
I've loved bigass games of 40k since 3rd edition, so a good Apoc ruleset could drag me back in for casual games over a full day. That seems to be how 40k is meant to be enjoyed anyway!
Polonius wrote: New Apoc rules might be the thing that keeps me playing 40k for the next few years. I'm done with competitive play, and I'm enjoying the hell out of warmachine, and really want to get more into KOW and epic, and that kind of leaves poor 40k without any time left.
I've loved bigass games of 40k since 3rd edition, so a good Apoc ruleset could drag me back in for casual games over a full day. That seems to be how 40k is meant to be enjoyed anyway!
Pretty much the same boat as you (just replace Warmachine, KOW and Epic with the various 40KRPGs and things like Zombicide). Of course then there's the flip side of that - what's stopping us from having big battles without Apocalypse?
Seeing that huge of line of the Imperiums finest against the other line of Xenos and Heretics.
Or when that titan half way down the room takes a shot near your table, ka-boom.
Or charging into a multi race fight to really see who comes out on top.
Or in the midst of the chaos, your champion challenges another to single combat and an epic showdown begins.
And of course, nothing beats the endless screaming because everyone is shouting and they're trying to grab the guy's attention who is opposite them because they're about to unload every bullet on him but hes too busy being shot at by another guy.
H.B.M.C. wrote: . Of course then there's the flip side of that - what's stopping us from having big battles without Apocalypse?
Interest level. The reasons to keep playing 40k are:
1) Portabilitiy and ease of finding opponents
2) Standardized and universal rules.
3) Love of background/atmosphere
4) already owning a painted army for it
I could try to write up good big game rules, but that's a lot of effort for a game I've half quit. If GW makes some fun, engaging Apoc rules, I can meet a buddy at the clubhouse and play a nice big apoc game over some beers, which sounds like a fun day.
Polonius wrote: I could try to write up good big game rules...
Hold on, hold on. What's to stop you just playing a big game? Forget about needing "big game rules", and just play a 10,000 point game? Would that not work?
Keep in mind, I like Apoc, and I like the structures it puts in place. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here.
Polonius wrote: I could try to write up good big game rules...
Hold on, hold on. What's to stop you just playing a big game? Forget about needing "big game rules", and just play a 10,000 point game? Would that not work?
Keep in mind, I like Apoc, and I like the structures it puts in place. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here.
I guess a lot of reasons. Lack of motivation is probably key, but I thought about it, and I'm still torn between trying to decide what mission to play, how many FOCs, size of board, and all that. Does anybody really think "First Blood" should matter as much as an objective in 3000 points? While, if anything, Linebreaker should matter more!
Maybe I'll see if I can find a game this weekend, give it a try.
Polonius wrote: I could try to write up good big game rules...
Hold on, hold on. What's to stop you just playing a big game? Forget about needing "big game rules", and just play a 10,000 point game? Would that not work?
Keep in mind, I like Apoc, and I like the structures it puts in place. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here.
It's something I've often said.. Apoc is the biggest case of 'Emperor's new clothes' and chucking everything down on the table and having a royal rumble was I'm sure done by anyone who has ever played 40k, most likely when they were 10 years old and mixed their Space Crusade minis with RTB01 and whatnot
Totally agree with Polonius' point though that it helps with accessibility and plays to 40k's great strength - the availability of players. Although speaking personally the thought of someone plonking one of those massive apoc kits down in a pick up game ("the narrative of this game is a backwater skirmish.. the avatar has turned up, oh yes and here is a titan also") is enough to send me running towards a club and a regular gaming group..
unmercifulconker wrote: Yep that teaser is for apocalypse, its says the dark and mad times because thats what apocalypse is, just pure madness. Also the planet going to should be a huge give away.
To be fair, this could be a teaser for literally any day in the 41st millennium. Planets kerploding and people going absolutely insane sounds apocalyptic to us, but for the Imperium, that's Tuesday.
unmercifulconker wrote: Yep that teaser is for apocalypse, its says the dark and mad times because thats what apocalypse is, just pure madness. Also the planet going to should be a huge give away.
To be fair, this could be a teaser for literally any day in the 41st millennium. Planets kerploding and people going absolutely insane sounds apocalyptic to us, but for the Imperium, that's Tuesday.
And in the weekend they have a real party, err. Black Crusade.
unmercifulconker wrote: Yep that teaser is for apocalypse, its says the dark and mad times because thats what apocalypse is, just pure madness. Also the planet going to should be a huge give away.
To be fair, this could be a teaser for literally any day in the 41st millennium. Planets kerploding and people going absolutely insane sounds apocalyptic to us, but for the Imperium, that's Tuesday.
Aye that is a normal weekday for the Imperium, but an apocalypse is a friday/saturday night.
What... you mean it isn't here already? Then what have we been doing this entire time?
I was thinking something along the lines of....
"War is coming!"
Damn, again? It was here just last Tuesday. Why won't War stop coming?
If there's only war, and it's to stay that way, the only thing that could be coming is war. If something other than war is coming, there'd soon be something else besides war, and no longer only war?
What... you mean it isn't here already? Then what have we been doing this entire time?
I was thinking something along the lines of....
"War is coming!"
Damn, again? It was here just last Tuesday. Why won't War stop coming?
If there's only war, and it's to stay that way, the only thing that could be coming is war. If something other than war is coming, there'd soon be something else besides war, and no longer only war?
If there's only war; is it technically coming?
That would indicate it went away at some point and is planning on returning?
I'm just waiting for the second batch of pics to pop up and everybody will change their mind. Just like with the deamon flies and the Tau fighter/bomber.
So theres 30 some pages to this thread already and thats a bit to read but is anyone able to summarize what any rumors are for apoc? new models?rules? From what Ive heard myself was the chaos looking super heavy circus looking tank, and the necron monolith, also heard apoc fortifications, and possibly tyranids getting a harpy? any of this heard yet?
tankboy145 wrote: So theres 30 some pages to this thread already and thats a bit to read but is anyone able to summarize what any rumors are for apoc? new models?rules? From what Ive heard myself was the chaos looking super heavy circus looking tank, and the necron monolith, also heard apoc fortifications, and possibly tyranids getting a harpy? any of this heard yet?
All that that I've caught from this thread has been the picture of the Khorne-thing on the cover, and the mega-Monoliths. Some people pointed out that the Baneblade and Stormlord kits have been partially pulled from the website (they're still there, but you can't place an order.)
Doubt this'll happen until the next codex. Even then, I wouldn't be surprised if they took the opportunity to scrap what they had and redesign a better flyer for them (and also as a way to say screw you to third parties who have made models for them).
manrogue wrote: Looking forward to seeing if anything else is released with the Khornemower and megalith,
Based on the amount of stuff released each month for the past year, I'd expect that Kornmower with Skulldozer and the Megalith are the only two vehicles. Those along with the book and the terrain will likely be all that GW will release next month. Oh, and it's likely we'll see "package" deals base on Apoc formations where you can get all items at once instead of having to buy them all individually for the exact same price.
tankboy145 wrote: Ahh thank you guys, has anyone heard if they were bringing back the apoc formations?
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Pre-orders go up when? Next Wednesday? The thing did say 26th, right?
29th
Automatically Appended Next Post: Storm trooper squad 1 in troops section for Imperial guard? hmmmm mix up?
Automatically Appended Next Post: A lot of the kasrkin single troopers are gone as well, possibly a plastic set with apoc?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Moridian iron guard moved to troop section? I dont remember them being there except under the collectors.
Rough riders only have their command unit. A lot has been changed around for the IG.
Word on the street is GW is out of the metal model business so all Specialist games and collectors series went OOP this month.
If some metal IG are showing up on the site then it either means they're going Finecast, or GW is not quite out of the metal business (good news for Sisters players) or they still have some stock to run out.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: If some metal IG are showing up on the site then it either means they're going Finecast, or GW is not quite out of the metal business (good news for Sisters players) or they still have some stock to run out.
Well, the interesting thing about it is storm troopers are in the troops section when they're elites in the current codex. Though it's probably just a mistake that has nothing to do with any upcoming releases.
manrogue wrote: Looking forward to seeing if anything else is released with the Khornemower and megalith,
Based on the amount of stuff released each month for the past year, I'd expect that Kornmower with Skulldozer and the Megalith are the only two vehicles. Those along with the book and the terrain will likely be all that GW will release next month. Oh, and it's likely we'll see "package" deals base on Apoc formations where you can get all items at once instead of having to buy them all individually for the exact same price.
Given that the first Apoc release came with a number of models besides the Baneblade, I'd put some stock in the rumors of at least some more Space Marine masters of the Chapter. Maybe a second set to add to the current set?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: If some metal IG are showing up on the site then it either means they're going Finecast, or GW is not quite out of the metal business (good news for Sisters players) or they still have some stock to run out.
Well, the interesting thing about it is storm troopers are in the troops section when they're elites in the current codex. Though it's probably just a mistake that has nothing to do with any upcoming releases.
Kroothawk wrote: Keep in mind that preorders go up next week, but release seems to be 14 days later, not 7 days.
Has there ever been a lead time of 2 weeks before on pre-releases? I'm just curious.
I thought they did it once before, but now I can't remember. Maybe just before 6th was released. As of late though, with the new GW patteren, I would say no. Then again, maybe GW needs the extra time to make sure they can fill out the orders now.
Wise. Overselling for a release or two (or not making enough stock, however you want to see it) might be excusable, but chronically for every release, not a good idea.
Kroothawk wrote: Keep in mind that preorders go up next week, but release seems to be 14 days later, not 7 days.
Has there ever been a lead time of 2 weeks before on pre-releases? I'm just curious.
All major rulebooks (Apocalypse may be considered one) and starter boxes, then several big kits like e.g. Wall of Matryrs plus the new paint range.
Other extreme are some English mail order rulebooks like Death from the Sky and Iyanden, that have no preorder at all.
Savageconvoy wrote: I'm just waiting for the second batch of pics to pop up and everybody will change their mind. Just like with the deamon flies and the Tau fighter/bomber.
People changed their minds about the hellturkey? Oh my.
Anonymous source on faeit212 wrote:Not every race is getting a super-heavy, just access to them via Allies. The focus on apocalypse is new scenery and fortifications, with their own rules, that are legal for games of 40k and planetstrike as centerpieces and objectives. Expect a lot more racially specific fortifications as well as more "imperial/generic" stuff in 2014 Q2.
And seems I forgot to post this:
Old-Four-Arms over at Warseer wrote:on the GW site in the description of the Imperial Bunker :
"The Imperial Bunker can be combined with the Wall of Martyrs scenery range including the Imperial Defence Line,
Aquila Strongpoint, Firestorm Redoubt, Vengeance Weapon Battery, and the Imperial Defence Emplacement. The only
limit to how big your Wall of Martyrs set can be is your imagination (and probably the size of your gaming table)."
Aquila Strongpoint, Firestorm Redoubt and Vengeance Weapon Battery could be the 3 new apoc terrain pieces...
With them being so close to the release I'm surprised GW didn't hold back the riptide and wraithknight models for this release. Only publish the rules for them in the apoc book (legal for regular 40k) and try and leverage people into buying the apoc book even if they didn't want to play apoc. Plus more large units would have made a bigger impact for the release, really make it an of the moment feeling for players to all get onto the big game band wagon. Instead if there is only going to be two large models and some imperial scenery (going off what has been revealed so far) then I think there might well be much less impetuous for the community to support it.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: With them being so close to the release I'm surprised GW didn't hold back the riptide and wraithknight models for this release. Only publish the rules for them in the apoc book (legal for regular 40k) and try and leverage people into buying the apoc book even if they didn't want to play apoc. Plus more large units would have made a bigger impact for the release, really make it an of the moment feeling for players to all get onto the big game band wagon. Instead if there is only going to be two large models and some imperial scenery (going off what has been revealed so far) then I think there might well be much less impetuous for the community to support it.
The models would sell better under standard 40k rules. Look at the ADL and Skyshield.
The point is to make the rules the same as have been published already you just change which book they are available in. Gw have started moving back to the dual book format as seen with the iyanden expansion. This seemed like it would have been a logical progression.
So this new rumor with super-heavies implies that new super-heavies will be released, and all factions will get one or have the ability to ally with a faction that gets one. It also seems to imply that the old Stompa and IGTanks aren't being counted.
Khornemower:
* Chaos Marines
* Daemons
* Dark Eldar
* Imperial Guard
* Necrons
* Orks
* Tau
That leaves Tyranids and Eldar remaining (coincidentally my two armies). Tyranids cannot ally with anyone, so this rumor is stating they'll be getting a model. Eldar remain, so they'll either be getting a model or any other army will be getting a model.
It's amusing to note that the allies matrix states that the 'cannot ally' trait is called "Come The Apocalypse".
IHateNids wrote: the first line of the rulebook will be "armies can ally under Apoc rules"
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand now Im imagining Flyrants and Riptides racing each other towards a Stompa...
That'd be hilariously money-grubbing.
Apoc Rule:
"Tyranids, with their tendency towards large monsters, can be taken as Battle Brothers with any other army so long as you field at least three large-oval-base models (costing >$60). Games Workshop thanks you for your patronage."
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:The point is to make the rules the same as have been published already you just change which book they are available in. Gw have started moving back to the dual book format as seen with the iyanden expansion. This seemed like it would have been a logical progression.
Following your logic, GW would make even more sales by publishing the rules twice and releasing the models earlier. *Shrug*.
Absolutionis wrote:So this new rumor with super-heavies implies that new super-heavies will be released, and all factions will get one or have the ability to ally with a faction that gets one. It also seems to imply that the old Stompa and IGTanks aren't being counted.
Khornemower:
* Chaos Marines
* Daemons
* Dark Eldar
* Imperial Guard
* Necrons
* Orks
* Tau
That leaves Tyranids and Eldar remaining (coincidentally my two armies). Tyranids cannot ally with anyone, so this rumor is stating they'll be getting a model. Eldar remain, so they'll either be getting a model or any other army will be getting a model.
It's amusing to note that the allies matrix states that the 'cannot ally' trait is called "Come The Apocalypse".
Hm. 'Nids have traditionally had a fair amount of Apoc-only releases in the past, although looking at the FW page now a whole bunch of the older sculpts are gone, but things like the Hierophant and Hierodule as well as Harridan are still around. Chances are they'll get a Bio-titan again. I suspect Eldar will either get a new flyer or super-heavy tank, given that they already have two Titans in the Revenant and Phantom (putting them on the same level as the Imperials). That being said, Eldar have almost as many flyers and super-heavy tanks as IG do, so in hindsight I'm wondering if we'll get a larger, Avatar-esque MC instead. Who knows?
Anonymous source on faeit212 wrote:Not every race is getting a super-heavy, just access to them via Allies. The focus on apocalypse is new scenery and fortifications, with their own rules, that are legal for games of 40k and planetstrike as centerpieces and objectives. Expect a lot more racially specific fortifications as well as more "imperial/generic" stuff in 2014 Q2.
This certainly appears to buttress my opinion that the Khornmower with Skulldozer and Pokilith are the only two units likely to be released next month.
Hm. 'Nids have traditionally had a fair amount of Apoc-only releases in the past, although looking at the FW page now a whole bunch of the older sculpts are gone, but things like the Hierophant and Hierodule as well as Harridan are still around. Chances are they'll get a Bio-titan again.
Don't know which models are gone from the Tyranid page, but the Harridan is listed as "Out Of Stock"...
Old-Four-Arms over at Warseer wrote:on the GW site in the description of the Imperial Bunker :
"The Imperial Bunker can be combined with the Wall of Martyrs scenery range including the Imperial Defence Line,
Aquila Strongpoint, Firestorm Redoubt, Vengeance Weapon Battery, and the Imperial Defence Emplacement. The only
limit to how big your Wall of Martyrs set can be is your imagination (and probably the size of your gaming table)."
Aquila Strongpoint, Firestorm Redoubt and Vengeance Weapon Battery could be the 3 new apoc terrain pieces...
I just made a realization about this after reading this on Faeit 212:
via an anonymous source via the Faeit 212 inbox (reliable source) wrote:
Not every race is getting a super-heavy, just access to them via Allies. The focus on apocalypse is new scenery and fortifications, with their own rules, that are legal for games of 40k and planetstrike as centerpieces and objectives. Expect a lot more racially specific fortifications as well as more "imperial/generic" stuff in 2014 Q2.
The Firestorm Redoubt - The Firestorm is an Eldar Anti-Air Falcon variant. Could the Firestorm Redoubt be an Eldar terrain piece with a Firestorm AA emplacement?
Death By Monkeys wrote: The Firestorm Redoubt - The Firestorm is an Eldar Anti-Air Falcon variant. Could the Firestorm Redoubt be an Eldar terrain piece with a Firestorm AA emplacement?
*ahem*
"Wall of Martyrs scenery range"
Distinctly Imperial. Less Eldar. More dead Cadians.
Death By Monkeys wrote: The Firestorm Redoubt - The Firestorm is an Eldar Anti-Air Falcon variant. Could the Firestorm Redoubt be an Eldar terrain piece with a Firestorm AA emplacement?
*ahem*
"Wall of Martyrs scenery range"
Distinctly Imperial. Less Eldar. More dead Cadians.
Ah, damn. You're right.
Although, going to GW's site now, I don't see any mention of those pieces in the text for the Imperial Bunker.
Hm. 'Nids have traditionally had a fair amount of Apoc-only releases in the past, although looking at the FW page now a whole bunch of the older sculpts are gone, but things like the Hierophant and Hierodule as well as Harridan are still around. Chances are they'll get a Bio-titan again.
Don't know which models are gone from the Tyranid page, but the Harridan is listed as "Out Of Stock"...
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The harridan, I'm assuming, is just waiting on a restock. There's no reason to pull it unless GW have decided to do a plastic 40k model (very unlikely, as GW have actually said they're not doing that anymore).
The models that disappeared from the FW catalogue were the Hive Tyrants, because as they said, they were alternate sculpts of the 3rd edition design, and GW have moved away from that look.
Master of the Marches and Master of the Rites: Looking good, not special but ok.
Lord Executioner: Best of the bunch by far IMHO Master of the Relics: Well, he's ok I just don't like how he's holding his weapon.
They're ok. Master of Rites and Master of Relics have a bit too much gak going on (but I like the Relic one). Lord Executioner is a bit static. Master of Marches is my fav, easily.
They don't look that bad. A bit boring in terms of stances and lacking in helmets, but not terrible. But, they are Finecast, so I won't be buying these anyway. At least it's something new though and not just some old figures repacked at double the price.
Also whats with all the loudspeakers..I thought marines had cool com systems built into their helmets....ahh I see, the masters don't wear helmets so they have to yell...makes perfect sense now.
Now that there's White Dwarf pictures leaking, give us better pictures of that Khorne monstrosity, the Necron Megalith and the new terrain pieces! Please.
Barzam wrote: They don't look that bad. A bit boring in terms of stances and lacking in helmets, but not terrible. But, they are Finecast, so I won't be buying these anyway. At least it's something new though and not just some old figures repacked at double the price.
If they are finecast then that's especially bad. There's a lot of large thin self supporting sculpt on there. In plastic they'd have been a maybe but I can't see these doing well at all.
Thachng wrote: How many times did they use the word crisp in the master of marches blurb
Twice?
That last sentence in his blurb is also cringe-worthy. Imply? Why? He should know his role right? Really, the whole bit just feels like some sort of fanfic.
I'm hoping the Iron Halo is a separate piece, because this guy will look awesome as a Vanguard Vet. Sergeant.
The others are Meh.
Looks like an easy snip and file job to remove it and the skull, that I think will look odd without the iron halo.
Shame they are FC. I don't like the models, but I love some of the details on them and I think you could make some brilliant Vet conversions if they were plastic.
Shame they are FC. I don't like the models, but I love some of the details on them and I think you could make some brilliant Vet conversions if they were plastic.
I don't think FC is too bad to work with, in general. Looks like they are good for converting some sergeants/vets/captains, just replace all the sticks with swords
Don't really like the Master of the Marches- kinda stupid having those two great big speakers on the back to relay orders on the battlefield. That's what their helmet vox-comms are for! Idiots.
angelofvengeance wrote: Don't really like the Master of the Marches- kinda stupid having those two great big speakers on the back to relay orders on the battlefield. That's what their helmet vox-comms are for! Idiots.
Not in an army where every CO and NCO has lost his helmet
angelofvengeance wrote: Don't really like the Master of the Marches- kinda stupid having those two great big speakers on the back to relay orders on the battlefield. That's what their helmet vox-comms are for! Idiots.
UltraPrime wrote: I've been wanting a decent Master of the Forge since the 5th ed. Codex hit.
Is the techmarine not blingy enough? I've seen it a million more times as a MotF than as a regular techmarine, that's for sure.
There's no conversion beamer backpack on the GW Techmarine.
A pity at the GK Techmarine shares the same model, because they can take Conversion Beamers and they don't have it in the Techmarine box...
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote: Don't really like the Master of the Marches- kinda stupid having those two great big speakers on the back to relay orders on the battlefield. That's what their helmet vox-comms are for! Idiots.
He totally needs an electric guitar.
He might attract the attention of Slaanesh, who will issue a C&D to him for copying Noise Marines
angelofvengeance wrote: Don't really like the Master of the Marches- kinda stupid having those two great big speakers on the back to relay orders on the battlefield. That's what their helmet vox-comms are for! Idiots.
No reason they can't be transmitters in addition to speakers.
Soo'Vah'Cha wrote: Also whats with all the loudspeakers..I thought marines had cool com systems built into their helmets....ahh I see, the masters don't wear helmets so they have to yell...makes perfect sense now.
This is a legit question. Why in the crap would anyone think this is a good idea?
I like the Executioner. He also fills the role of captain w/ jump pack, which is something lacking from the vanilla SM range. Relics is not bad, but looks like an up-jumped sarge, not a captain.
The other two are a little heavy on the parchment and speakers for my taste. Could be worse.
I would have them all........although some changes would be made!!!!! Helmets not bare heads and no stupid vox casters as space marines have in built vox.
All and all I think a few personal could make them workable. But I have to agree they are a bit Meh! Can't wait to see the Spacemarine bulldozer mini Titan!!!!!! PLEASE GW we can't eat another gak sandwich!!!
Soo'Vah'Cha wrote: Also whats with all the loudspeakers..I thought marines had cool com systems built into their helmets....ahh I see, the masters don't wear helmets so they have to yell...makes perfect sense now.
This is a legit question. Why in the crap would anyone think this is a good idea?
They are actually part of a jump pack's exhaust system. Still looks cartoonish.
They are actually part of a jump pack's exhaust system. Still looks cartoonish.
You probably mean jump pack intake, on the Executioner. However, there's two models who have speakers mounted on top of their regular backpacks..
I like the Marches model - nothing else to do than to read a long list out loud during a battle. I'm not so sure about the whole concept of making models "special" just by adding a bunch of stuff on their shoulders either..
Soo'Vah'Cha wrote: Also whats with all the loudspeakers..I thought marines had cool com systems built into their helmets....ahh I see, the masters don't wear helmets so they have to yell...makes perfect sense now.
This is a legit question. Why in the crap would anyone think this is a good idea?
They are actually part of a jump pack's exhaust system. Still looks cartoonish.
You probably mean jump pack intake, on the Executioner. However, there's two models who have speakers mounted on top of their regular backpacks..
I like the Marches model - nothing else to do than to read a long list out loud during a battle. I'm not so sure about the whole concept of making models "special" just by adding a bunch of stuff on their shoulders either..
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Oh wow, you are right about the backpack speakers. I can't believe I missed that.
Kroothawk wrote: Other extreme are some English mail order rulebooks like Death from the Sky and Iyanden, that have no preorder at all.
I pre-ordered Iyanden.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I like these new SM guys, especially the Master of Relics. Does anyone else think they look a little closer to "truscale" than heroic?
Wow they really messed these up, there's nowhere near enough ugly detail clutter on these things. WTHGW, I thought we were aiming for 98% festooned these days? Look at all the flat spaces you left on these guys. Slightly better than the DA releases a few months back but still not enough pointless ugly crap slapped all over :(
I actually like these at first glance. They're utterly not needed, true, but I think the sculptors have done well. I liked the first four Masters of the Chapter, too.
Shame they could not have given us Asdrubael Vect, Bastogne, Ku'Gath and, say, Zogwort, of course.
The models don’t look bad, but they’re a bit uninspired. For those that get worked up over the vox casters being impractical, just think of them as a ceremonial sign of rank, for example the same way you might see modern military high ranking officers with swords. Nobody actually thinks an Admiral or whatever is going to run around stabbing people these days, it’s just part of the uniform.
Having said that, if I was using the rules I think Forgeworld do some good Horus Heresy models which would proxy nicely for some of these chapter masters.
Barzam wrote: They don't look that bad. A bit boring in terms of stances and lacking in helmets, but not terrible. But, they are Finecast, so I won't be buying these anyway. At least it's something new though and not just some old figures repacked at double the price.
Agreed. Could be much worse.
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The thing with the Assault Company Captain is... He just looks far too similar to Korvydae from Forgeworld, except with a rubbish weapon and an oversized Iron Halo.
Since I've got Korvydae already (and given him a Helmet), that guy basically means this new set is a 'nogo' to me. At GW's finecast prices (We're likely talking £45-£50, like the 'White Council' set), 1/4 being not useful at all, really just is not a viable purchase.
I can't say that I'm really sold on any of those.
The Master of the Marches looks more like an Adeptus Terra scribe in power armour than a Company Master with the scroll and speakers.
The Lord Executioner isn't bad, but I was hoping for a more ornate axe, and a ceremonial helm (or something that obscured his features) like an actual executioner. The pose as well, while suiting the premise of the role, seems at odds with the jump pack.
Master of Ceremonies, again, looks more like a scribe than an Astartes. It's a great concept that looks well for a diorama but looks out of place on a gaming table. It also doesn't know if it wants to be a Chaplain or a Company Master.
Master of Relics looks like a Veteran Sergeant rather than a Company Master. I get that fluff wise plasma weapons are ancient and revered technology, but when plasma weapons are becoming more popular for squads and characters it loses a lot of its effect. Had it been a weapon from the Heresy, or the like, then it would have been much more impressive.
angelofvengeance wrote: Don't really like the Master of the Marches- kinda stupid having those two great big speakers on the back to relay orders on the battlefield. That's what their helmet vox-comms are for! Idiots.
Not in an army where every CO and NCO has lost his helmet
So true! I wondered why they take the helmet off of every SGT and zero. They are so damn difficult to put back on.
Why did they need to release these? Don't they still have the chapter masters set that I have never seen anyone buy? How many masters can be in each chapter? There only are a thousand Marines in the army and it seems like like every 4th guy is master of something. I know what I'd be the master of, Bater. Sorry, its early and I hate work...
Davespil wrote: Why did they need to release these? Don't they still have the chapter masters set that I have never seen anyone buy? How many masters can be in each chapter? There only are a thousand Marines in the army and it seems like like every 4th guy is master of something. I know what I'd be the master of, Bater. Sorry, its early and I hate work...
A space Marine chapter has 10 companies of 100 Space Marines each. Each company is presided over by captain. These captains have official titles and responsibilities associated with them.
The 10th company has your scout squads and is lead by the Master of the Recruits.
The 9th company has the bulk of your Devastator marines, and is lead by the Master of Relics.
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The Master of the Marches looks more like an Adeptus Terra scribe in power armour than a Company Master with the scroll and speakers.
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Master of Ceremonies, again, looks more like a scribe than an Astartes. It's a great concept that looks well for a diorama but looks out of place on a gaming table. It also doesn't know if it wants to be a Chaplain or a Company Master.
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(Cutting parts of your post to focus on those two lines)
The bolded bit got my thinking, how would these guys do with a black paint job and possible weapon swap to something more crozius-like? Maybe a skull-helmet? They may be a little "meh" as captains, but they might make better chaplains...
It looks like the forge world chaos war hound titan
Yeah, we're talking about the tank that shoots at 1:04.
I'm aware that there is a Warhound Titan in there, though. I have assembled and painted one, and after spending 3 months on it, I can spot it fairly easily!
I don't think the sculpts really are that bad- at least no worse than the over-decorated junk GW has been pumping out for SM for years. Lemartes has become the new normal.
Actually, I kinda like the Master of Marches and Master of Relics.
What I dislike is attaching game mechanics to them. I'm of the opinion that models to represent an army's administrators is great- but combat-wise those administrators don't have to be any different from any other soldier on the field. Take the master of marches for example. The guy who administers the chapter fighting strength doesn't need to be any different in battle than any other equivalently-ranked character. And just because he's physically present on the battlefield doesn't mean his soldiers are going to fight any differently than if he's up on an orbiting spacecraft.
EDIT: What I would rather have seen is what I can picture GW of the 3rd edition years doing: Release these models (or even better, a set of conversion bits to turn regular SM characters into these high-ranking administrators) together with a "How to paint Space Marines" that gives the heraldry for each position, as well as information about how different chapters might fill these roles differently. In other words, these sorts of characters should be there to spur modelling creativity, not to build army lists. Now of course, without rules that give bonuses, players wouldn't need to buy these kits, and that flies in the face of everything GW is about. They would have to sell the conversion kits on the basis of how good the models look, and that's a risk it seems GW isn't willing to take any more.
What I dislike is attaching game mechanics to them. I'm of the opinion that models to represent an army's administrators is great- but combat-wise those administrators don't have to be any different from any other soldier on the field. Take the master of marches for example. The guy who administers the chapter fighting strength doesn't need to be any different in battle than any other equivalently-ranked character. And just because he's physically present on the battlefield doesn't mean his soldiers are going to fight any differently than if he's up on an orbiting spacecraft.
Are you familiar with the Master of the Chapter datasheet from the old Apocalypse rules? They'd only be "different in battle than any other equivalently-ranked character" in an apocalypse game. For your standard game, you'd just use him as a chapter captain or chapter master with the wargear shown.
Despite not really showing anything new, who else was excited this wasn't the same piece of crap "teasers" GW has been posting. This video actually gets me excited for the release, those marines do not unfortunately haha.
What I dislike is attaching game mechanics to them. I'm of the opinion that models to represent an army's administrators is great- but combat-wise those administrators don't have to be any different from any other soldier on the field. Take the master of marches for example. The guy who administers the chapter fighting strength doesn't need to be any different in battle than any other equivalently-ranked character. And just because he's physically present on the battlefield doesn't mean his soldiers are going to fight any differently than if he's up on an orbiting spacecraft.
Are you familiar with the Master of the Chapter datasheet from the old Apocalypse rules? They'd only be "different in battle than any other equivalently-ranked character" in an apocalypse game. For your standard game, you'd just use him as a chapter captain or chapter master with the wargear shown.
I understand that. And I've edited my post to make my point more clear. While I won't go so far as to say models like this stifle players' creativity, they don't do as much to inspire as they could.
I like these. They have an old-school charm to them. For those of you complaining about the speakers on the Master of Marches: this is 40k, where noise marines, jokaero, and orks exist
orkybenji wrote: I like these. They have an old-school charm to them. For those of you complaining about the speakers on the Master of Marches: this is 40k, where noise marines, jokaero, and orks exist
With these models combined with the DA DJ-speeder, you soon can have your whole army dropping Emperor's righteous beatz on the enemy.
It looks like the forge world chaos war hound titan
Yeah, we're talking about the tank that shoots at 1:04.
I'm aware that there is a Warhound Titan in there, though. I have assembled and painted one, and after spending 3 months on it, I can spot it fairly easily!
I thought it was a vindicator. The barrel looked a bit like a demolisher's.
orkybenji wrote: I like these. They have an old-school charm to them. For those of you complaining about the speakers on the Master of Marches: this is 40k, where noise marines, jokaero, and orks exist
With these models combined with the DA DJ-speeder, you soon can have your whole army dropping Emperor's righteous beatz on the enemy.
Enigwolf wrote: "Send everything". Yay. Does this mean no staggered release wave?
That's one way of dealing with Third Party sellers like Chapterhouse
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Nevelon wrote: (Cutting parts of your post to focus on those two lines)
The bolded bit got my thinking, how would these guys do with a black paint job and possible weapon swap to something more crozius-like? Maybe a skull-helmet? They may be a little "meh" as captains, but they might make better chaplains...
The Master of Marches might be a decent base for an Inquisitor conversion too. Just change the torso and head to something less typically Astartes and it looks like he is passing judgement on a heretic
wow... you guys have no sense of occaison or suspense, do you? Does GW have to publish everything a month before its due to be pre-sold just to get you to buy it? Does every teaser video have to be as dull and revealing as every movie trailer now?
/rant
I like the new Masters, may even grab one or two. Still a bit apprehensive about a new Apocalypse game.
The Assault master could be an easy stand in for Astroth for those who don't want to use the real model.
The master of the devastators could also be one of the "captains" for a space marine legion. I might pick one up just for that purpose.
I am actually excited for this release. With new Apoc. and GW lowering prices on the digital releases for codex in the non-ibook format, things are looking up.
Liquid Squid wrote: Here's to hoping that the master of the Assault and Devastator companies let you take their companies' specialties as troops.
This would be a great idea. Especially if Apoc goes the way of 'only Troops can hold objectives'. I would love to see this happen, so that more people bring such units to Apoc games....but if this was the case there would have to be a rework of how Destroyer weapons are handled. Right now only troops like Tervigons with EW through Biomancy, Daemons and unlocked Termies via special character can hold objectives past one Destroyer shot.
Is it me or is it strange that they have used a FW model in a GW promo?? I know technically its the same company but don't recall seeing FW models in a teaser before.
So are we seeing a plastic war hound or is GW saying yes you can use all the FW goodies??
Void_walker wrote: Is it me or is it strange that they have used a FW model in a GW promo?? I know technically its the same company but don't recall seeing FW models in a teaser before.
So are we seeing a plastic war hound or is GW saying yes you can use all the FW goodies??
Masters I'm a bit hmm on them
Considering Forgeworld is the main source for apocalypse only units, it makes sense to put them in an apocalypse teaser.
Not to mention the Rule of Cool.
Void_walker wrote: Is it me or is it strange that they have used a FW model in a GW promo?? I know technically its the same company but don't recall seeing FW models in a teaser before.
So are we seeing a plastic war hound or is GW saying yes you can use all the FW goodies??
Masters I'm a bit hmm on them
Considering Forgeworld is the main source for apocalypse only units, it makes sense to put them in an apocalypse teaser.
Not to mention the Rule of Cool.
Wasn't the Thunderhawk in the parting shot a few White Dwarf's back too? It caused an uproar of 'OMG it's a Plastic Thunderhawk' which turned out to be not the case.
Is that a pic of a baneblade with the new generic box art that we saw with the Eldar release and the words Baneblade/Shadowsword underneath it. Has that been repackaged as a dual kit with a 5-15% increas or something?
The Space Marine characters look nice, though they are not particularly needed. But it is always nice to have more choice for character models. The Master of Relics will make an excellent devastor sergeat in the case vanilla devastators will be reasonably priced in the next codex.
This being Apoc release though, I was hoping for something a bit more gargantuan. It would be really odd if there would be no new and huge imperial plastic kit. I understand them not wanting to duplicate FW models, but an imperial knight titan would make perfect sense.
Is that a pic of a baneblade with the new generic box art that we saw with the Eldar release and the words Baneblade/Shadowsword underneath it. Has that been repackaged as a dual kit with a 5-15% increas or something?
Looks like it. So, a price raise, extra bits per box.
That Master of Rites looks far too similar to an Imperial version of the Dark Apostle. The Master of the Marches I like, purely because of the cherub. I agree that the Master of Relics looks too much like a Veteran Sergeant. I think I might use the Lord Executioner as an assault Sergeant though.
These new marines; why are they so static in pose? Surely it can't simply be to make sure that they get through the finecast casting phase with less chance of bubbles?
Slipstream wrote: These new marines; why are they so static in pose? Surely it can't simply be to make sure that they get through the finecast casting phase with less chance of bubbles?
Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying that GW tells that minis to stand still during casting so as not to introduce defects?
Why would a static pose change the level of defects? Detail or any number of other things would but 'looking like you're standing still'... Yikes.
Slipstream wrote: These new marines; why are they so static in pose? Surely it can't simply be to make sure that they get through the finecast casting phase with less chance of bubbles?
They'll look more dynamic once the bubbles twist them into new positions. And battlescaring from trimming off the excess flash.
I actually look the look of the Megalith. It has a terrifying ancient alien engine of war look more then space-egypt look, which is a key problem with Newcrons.
Harriticus wrote: I actually look the look of the Megalith. It has a terrifying ancient alien engine of war look more then space-egypt look, which is a key problem with Newcrons.
I agree. If you painted Thousand Sons and Newcrons in the same color scheme and put them side-by-side, they can look like they fit in with one another.
Is it just me, or does the Executioner look like he is clutching his giant axe while he tiptoes nervously through the dark and scary woods...?
And yeah, why isn't the Master of Rites a Chaplain?
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: wow... you guys have no sense of occaison or suspense, do you? Does GW have to publish everything a month before its due to be pre-sold just to get you to buy it? Does every teaser video have to be as dull and revealing as every movie trailer now?
The point of a teaser is to build excitement about a new product.
This teaser shows us a bunch of models that GW have been selling for a decade.
sockwithaticket wrote: Lord Executioner and Master of Relics look pretty good. If they were in any material other than finecast I might get them.
I like master of the boombox
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NecronLord3 wrote: Maybe they are just teasing us with their long awaited permission to actually play FW models in regular games of 40k?
You need permission for that?
Exactly my point.
Permission is already given within all FW books that they are part of the 40k core system. Any house rules that prevent you from using FW or an FW list are just that - house rules.
Anyone have any theories on if the Stompa will get reboxed? Im thinking about buying one, but im not sure if I should grab one now while its cheaper or wait for the rebox which will hopefully have some more bits and options.
Billagio wrote: Anyone have any theories on if the Stompa will get reboxed? Im thinking about buying one, but im not sure if I should grab one now while its cheaper or wait for the rebox which will hopefully have some more bits and options.
It is still able to be ordered from GW's online store, the BB/SS are not. I don't think it'll get any new bits, but may get jacked up in price to match the others, regardless.
Billagio wrote: Anyone have any theories on if the Stompa will get reboxed? Im thinking about buying one, but im not sure if I should grab one now while its cheaper or wait for the rebox which will hopefully have some more bits and options.
The current Stompa is a fantastic kit, and you get tons of bitz left over as it is. I've used mine to build an Aegis, help convert up a Biker Boss and convert a Trukk into a Battlewagon. And I've still got this massive Bossplate I need to use somewhere!
is there a reason the chaos warhound was in the latest trailer? Could we be getting plastic warhounds?? I know, I know,... "hope is first step on the road to disappointment" But still...?
Billagio wrote: Anyone have any theories on if the Stompa will get reboxed? Im thinking about buying one, but im not sure if I should grab one now while its cheaper or wait for the rebox which will hopefully have some more bits and options.
The current Stompa is a fantastic kit, and you get tons of bitz left over as it is. I've used mine to build an Aegis, help convert up a Biker Boss and convert a Trukk into a Battlewagon. And I've still got this massive Bossplate I need to use somewhere!
Alright good to know, I was just thinking that they might add in bitz for like, a belly gun or deff arsenal or something and it would suck to miss out on that!
mjl7atlas wrote: is there a reason the chaos warhound was in the latest trailer? Could we be getting plastic warhounds?? I know, I know,... "hope is first step on the road to disappointment" But still...?
Yeah... no. It's just in there because it's a teaser for Apocalypse, but showing us new stuff would require revealing what they are releasing more than 3 and a half seconds in advance, which would bring about the utter destruction of the wargaming hobby as we know it.
Riptide 65€, Wraithknight 90€, 125€ for a Monolith variant. So they raise the price for the prime plastic product by 40% PER MONTH! Now that's a stealth price hike. That would mean, December Hobbit starter box will be 672€
Anyone know if this will also include the shadowsword variants? Or is it a repackage that drops those variants!?
since the shadowsword variants are, AFAICR, on the same sprue as the shadowsword bits itself that would be absurd. seems every baneblade now comes with every option - which means that all the shadowsword kit bits I desperately want to buy for damn cheap will soon be available in sufficient amount at long last
since the shadowsword variants are, AFAICR, on the same sprue as the shadowsword bits itself that would be absurd. seems every baneblade now comes with every option - which means that all the shadowsword kit bits I desperately want to buy for damn cheap will soon be available in sufficient amount at long last
Yep, guns of both are all on one sprue. Most likely the box will have all the bits for both tanks in it, and GW is using "huge dual kit with a ton of bits!" as the excuse why the same unit gets a +33% price hike.. Which is why all of their expensive dual kits exist, really.
mjl7atlas wrote: is there a reason the chaos warhound was in the latest trailer? Could we be getting plastic warhounds?? I know, I know,... "hope is first step on the road to disappointment" But still...?
Oh Geez. There is no plastic warhound. No plastic Thunder hawk. The warhound is in the trailer because it is a unit that is used only in apocalypse. No where else. In a trailer for the new edition of Apocalypse, it makes sense that an Apocalypse only unit is there.
Compel wrote: I've never seen a shadowsword kit, isn't a huge chunk of the upper superstructure completely different to a baneblades?
Yep. The tank hull is the same, the difference is the upper structure - basically SS has high turretless superstructure and BB has low superstructure with a separate turret. IIRC there's two different sprues in the kits: the first sprue is the different superstructure for each tank. The second sprue is turret + two gun options for BB, and six gun options + some structure bits for SS.
So, move two sprues to the other kit - bam, a dual kit. Now that I think about it, they could have done it at any point.. Apparently a change in the sales strategy, then.
Compel wrote: I've never seen a shadowsword kit, isn't a huge chunk of the upper superstructure completely different to a baneblades?
Here is a side-by-side. Left = Baneblade, right -= Shadowsword. To answer your question, yes. The hull is on a separate sprue. The sprue for the guns, sides, undercarriage (I think) and tracks are the same.
Does everyone out there calling for a GW Knight titan, know about Dream Forge Games? They sell an AMAZING kit that would fit what you want perfectly. Oh and it retails for only about $120 USD.
I'm just getting a vault because I like the looks of it. I mean, there's a star god chained up to some diabolical contraption, surrounded by pillars of technological eldritch design.
kronk wrote: SPACE MARINE CPTN: MASTER OF THE MARCHES Finecast Clam 29-Jun-13 13-Jul-13 RTD Splash $30.00 $22.25 SPACE MARINE CAPTAIN:MASTER OF THE RITES Finecast Clam 29-Jun-13 13-Jul-13 RTD Splash $30.00 $22.25 SPACE MARINE CAPTAIN: MASTER OF RELICS Finecast Clam 29-Jun-13 13-Jul-13 RTD Splash $30.00 $22.25 SPACE MARINE CAPTAIN: LORD EXECUTIONER Finecast Clam 29-Jun-13 13-Jul-13 RTD Splash $30.00 $22.25
Space Marine Masters of the Chapter Finecast Box of four models. Still $33.00
You guys have fun collecting those Pokismurfs.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I'm just getting a vault because I like the looks of it. I mean, there's a star god chained up to some diabolical contraption, surrounded by pillars of technological eldritch design.
I'm getting two because I play Necrons and want one of each type.
kronk wrote: SPACE MARINE CPTN: MASTER OF THE MARCHES Finecast Clam 29-Jun-13 13-Jul-13 RTD Splash $30.00 $22.25
SPACE MARINE CAPTAIN:MASTER OF THE RITES Finecast Clam 29-Jun-13 13-Jul-13 RTD Splash $30.00 $22.25
SPACE MARINE CAPTAIN: MASTER OF RELICS Finecast Clam 29-Jun-13 13-Jul-13 RTD Splash $30.00 $22.25
SPACE MARINE CAPTAIN: LORD EXECUTIONER Finecast Clam 29-Jun-13 13-Jul-13 RTD Splash $30.00 $22.25
Space Marine Masters of the Chapter Finecast Box of four models. Still $33.00
You guys have fun collecting those Pokismurfs.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I'm just getting a vault because I like the looks of it. I mean, there's a star god chained up to some diabolical contraption, surrounded by pillars of technological eldritch design.
I'm getting two because I play Necrons and want one of each type.
Yep, same boat. Probably going to wait a month or so, though. By then, I hope to have new income coming my way.
How many Apocalypse games do you get to play where these are seemingly necessary purchases?
Tbh whenever is a Baneblade a necessary purchase, you get them because they look cool, and a couple is even better. Hell my previous Guard army from about seven years ago, my Baneblade was used once, but was one of the first tanks fully painted. Loved it in the cabinet with the rest of my army, it really didn't need to be used I just liked having one there.
Heck jump forward to now and I have a Baneblade, Stormlord and my Orks have two stompas. Gotta love big 40K models.
All of a sudden, it looks like a good time to get a Baneblade before they are forever out of my reach. There is one gathering dust at my FLGS. 170$ for that kit is just brutal. They know we're at parity, right?
I do actually appreciate some of the plastic combo kits that have been released.
If you consider having ALL the bits needed to build any and all baneblade/shadowsword variants in one box, the $25 increase is 'relatively' small price. I mean hell, GW charges that just for the separate sponson sprues.
But, if I wanted to field one of each, you are now paying $50 more to do so.
Also, I do find the total price simply to play apocalypse a bit ridiculous. $160 for all the bits and bobs just to play the game (assuming all that stuff is required)
And the APOC book better be a helluva lot better and bigger than the last one for that price tag.
Strangely enough they all fit in one big box. My other three super heavies (3 Macharius'... Macharii?) go in a different box with one of my Crusaders.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: I take your example as a shining light to follow H.B.M.C, lasgun flashlight that is. *salutes*
And once you've finished getting yourself a healthy Super Heavy Regiment, you need to next get three full Armoured Companyes and 12 Chimeras! And then an Artillery Company. And then two Sentinel Recon Companies. And then two squadron of 3 Valkyries.
I didn't see any mention of the Stompa in that price list. Are there any rumours regarding a re-package for that? There aren't any variants for it outside of forgeworld, so I can't see them pulling Baneblade levels of price increasing craziness, but I'm still worried.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Heck jump forward to now and I have a Baneblade, Stormlord and my Orks have two stompas. Gotta love big 40K models.
Pfft! You lightweight! I've got 1 Stormblade, 2 Shadowswords, 1 Hellhammer and 3 Baneblades!
Then again I am crazy.
Transport for my DKoK infantry platoons are going to be Stormlords. I've got four of them, sitting and waiting on the Korps' turn to come up for painting.
Oh, and that doesn't include the 2 Stormblades and 2 Baneblades.
So, we're all just a cozy bunch of lunatics, aren't we?
when I first heard the rumors about new apoc stuff I was worried as I've taken a liking recently to neat big models, then I saw the new stuff and was disappointed, I wont be buying any of it
Vengeance Weapon Battery, priced about the same as the Skyshield.
Firestorm Redoubt, priced about the same as any two of the Cities of Death building kits (Manufactorum, Sanctum Imperialis, Basilica Administratum).
Aquila Strongpoint, priced about the same as the Fortress of Redemption.
That being said, I'd not be in the least surprised if they were smaller than their current price equivalents, as a prelude to the inevitable price increase that those items are going to have, themselves.
Clearly someone took photos (and not during an earthquake this time, judging by the quality). They've just decided to keep the terrain ones to themselves.
Compel wrote: I've never seen a shadowsword kit, isn't a huge chunk of the upper superstructure completely different to a baneblades?
Yep. The tank hull is the same, the difference is the upper structure - basically SS has high turretless superstructure and BB has low superstructure with a separate turret. IIRC there's two different sprues in the kits: the first sprue is the different superstructure for each tank. The second sprue is turret + two gun options for BB, and six gun options + some structure bits for SS.
So, move two sprues to the other kit - bam, a dual kit. Now that I think about it, they could have done it at any point.. Apparently a change in the sales strategy, then.
Wow, a Baneblade/Shadowsword combo kit, only 18 years after Armorcast did it. Of course Armorcast kept the cheaper single kits as well so you were not forced to pay for extra bits if you just wanted a single kit...
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Heck jump forward to now and I have a Baneblade, Stormlord and my Orks have two stompas. Gotta love big 40K models.
Pfft! You lightweight! I've got 1 Stormblade, 2 Shadowswords, 1 Hellhammer and 3 Baneblades!
Then again I am crazy.
Transport for my DKoK infantry platoons are going to be Stormlords. I've got four of them, sitting and waiting on the Korps' turn to come up for painting.
Oh, and that doesn't include the 2 Stormblades and 2 Baneblades.
So, we're all just a cozy bunch of lunatics, aren't we?
Absolutionis wrote: So the rumor that every army was getting something directly or via allies ended up being complete rubbish. Disappointing.
How many armies can't ally with either Guard, Orks, Chaos or Necrons?
Aside from Tyranids that is. Tyranids get nothing. They always get nothing.
Imperial Guard got nothing new. Not even the idea of a price increase due to a reboxing is 'new' at this point. Eldar are left out.
Considering it was stated and repeated after the images of the Chaos and Necron pictures leaked, the rumor was a complete fabrication.
Lord, I hope that the new terrain isn't awash with dead Cadians. Dead anything, really. If I want bodies festooning my terrain, I'd rather they be something decided on by me, not forced upon me by some lunatic's idea of marketing.
Transport for my DKoK infantry platoons are going to be Stormlords. I've got four of them, sitting and waiting on the Korps' turn to come up for painting.
Oh, and that doesn't include the 2 Stormblades and 2 Baneblades.
So, we're all just a cozy bunch of lunatics, aren't we?
With waaaay too much money
I'm going to need a lot more income if FW's eventual PH Thousand Sons turn out as good as I hope they do.
timd wrote: Wow, a Baneblade/Shadowsword combo kit, only 18 years after Armorcast did it. Of course Armorcast kept the cheaper single kits as well so you were not forced to pay for extra bits if you just wanted a single kit...
Yea, a "combo kit" really isn't that impressive given that you could get all this since 2008. And let's not get so nostalgic that we forget how terrible the Armorcast stuff really was.
should be a huge give away. 
