Well I might be wrong on the size of the two templates, might work out the same, just see through blue and flame effect rather than the cold green radar effect of before. Although the new five blast marker is new even if the other two aren't.
Anyway, I was just going to bed and while flicking through the mag, when I spotted something interesting in the digital releases section. Normally a section I skip over as I did earlier today.
It seems other than the Apocalypse book being released in digital this month, there is another much more interesting tome.
Farsight - A codex: Tau Empire Supplement. Looking at the blurb underneath it seems to indicate it is a Tau Iyanden style extra, and once again mentions rules for using with your Tau.
Just thought I'd share that before collapsing for the night.
Skimming the battle report the Vault's main attack is called 'Sky of falling stars' and seems to hint at meteors pounding the battlefield. One of the new templates is five large sized looking blast markers attached to one another so you can string them out, curl them around to represent a line of explosions. I'm guessing it uses that one. (edit - it does)
LOL! The Rogue Trader era Thudd gun template is baaaaaack....
H.B.M.C. wrote: They'd be better served putting these two page rule supplements in the damn Codices.
Why? There're too many rules in the Codexes as it is, and there'd be no point in putting in the rule you need to play - for example - the "Iyanden-history-mission", if you don't put in the missions first.
But they are charging you the price of a whole codex for three pages of rules that could have just been included as a sub chapter of the codex and created more value in that product and help to justify the inflated cost of the hardback books with an incentive that includes two codexes. Now you can pay twice the price to play the sub codex because you need the parent codex in order to play it.
Supplements are certainly too expensive, but them being separate makes sense. That way GW can publish new rules for an army later (perhaps with a bunch of new miniatures) and not everything has to be ready at once. For example if a designer will tomorrow have great idea for new Thousand Sons units or other rules, they don't have to wait for 7th edition CSM codex to publish them.
H.B.M.C. wrote: They'd be better served putting these two page rule supplements in the damn Codices.
What, like they used to?
I'm on the fence about this one. I definitely don't feel like they did the Legions justice when they did that for the Chaos codex. That being said, comparing that Chaos codex to the Space Marine codex, I think that I'd have appreciated my codex to have been significantly beefier in rules content. I certainly don't want to advocate one supplement for each sub-faction, but I think a supplement for all sub-factions would work better, e.g. "Craftworlds Supplement, Exodites Supplement, Traitor Marines Supplement, Legions Supplement", that kind of deal. That would make it more bang-for-buck without them needing to find an extra thirty pages of lore and fluff to accompany two pages of rules.
Kinda off topic (or on topic??), I hope the new apoc book clears up super heavys and ordinance weapons. It seems like they were intended to be able to fire them and other weapons at full BS, but the current ruleset for super heavys makes no mention of firing ordinance and other weapons at full BS....
Billagio wrote: Kinda off topic (or on topic??), I hope the new apoc book clears up super heavys and ordinance weapons. It seems like they were intended to be able to fire them and other weapons at full BS, but the current ruleset for super heavys makes no mention of firing ordinance and other weapons at full BS....
Maybe I missed it?
Personally, fixing D-weapons is a higher priority. Ordinance and Superheavies is a FAQ/Errata level problem at worst.
Yeah but it still needs attnetion. As it stands you can basically use one useful weapon then everything else is snapshots. What's the point of bringing a titan if you can shoot 1 blast wep?
I'd say that if it also makes print like the Iyanden book, it will strengthen the idea of the 9th edition fantasy rumours.
In general mind, after getting the Iyanden book for my eldest lad, I was content with the book for the masses of background material. The expansion on the houses for example with pattern markings for ten or so Wraithguard was excellent stuff, plus aspect info and so forth.
If this Farsight book is filled with similar bits and pieces I'll be all over it. Typical as well, the lad has Iyanden Eldar as allies for his Tau, which is led by Farsight and he's painting in the enclave colours,
Temujin wrote: I bet Codex: Farsight will end up being Codex: Please buy more Riptides, just like Codex: Iyanden was Codex: Please buy more Wraithknights.
Not sure how this is true, you are allowed to nominate a wraithknight as your warlord, but it still is a heavy support FOC choice, so you can anly take 3, just like any other eldar player.
If anything, it's more a ''buy more spiritseers'' book, since you can take 5 per HQ slot.
I've used the book twice so far, and the only thing different from when I was playing with just the codex, is that I use a different warlord table.
Well I quite like all the new models, the khornemower looks much better for a change of heads and Im quite keen on those SM masters too. Tempted to take necrons as an ally for my Black Legion now too !!
Mythal wrote: Has anyone turned up any reliable information as to what the massive Eagle Cannon of Doom actually is? I guess it's probably something Skyfire-ish, though I can hope it turns out to be an ordnance barrage.
Could be the old turbolaser they made for that white dwarf apocafest a couple(?) years back.
They have a few pages show from the book, but the Necron craft isn't one of them. The Khorne Lord of Battles has tzeentch prefered number of Hull Points, as do Baneblade class tanks by the looks of it (both the Stormlord and Stormsword pages are shown.) Also the Khorne Lord of Battles is triple blessed by Khorne, as if you put three of his unholy number alongside one another, that would be his starting points.
I do find it odd, knowing that the Apoc book was coming out (Removing the Apoc Appendix from IA3-2nd) FW still gave the Tiger Shark 2 SP in the book (Can see in preview page on FW site)
FW will probabbly just do converstions like last time 1SP=3HP
Temujin wrote: I bet Codex: Farsight will end up being Codex: Please buy more Riptides, just like Codex: Iyanden was Codex: Please buy more Wraithknights.
Just like Codex Eldar was Codex: Please buy more Wave Serpents, and Codex Dark Angels was Codex: Please buy these Deathwing Knights.
GW makes books to sell models. Making statements like this is just stupid.
The fact that the templates from the previous Apoc rules are now obsolete...severely pisses me off. Seriously GW...go feth yourself. That's one of the cheapest pissant things to pull. At that point...why not make the basic templates a different size as well? A$*holes
I hope they didn't change the templates microscopically simply to get people to buy them yet again. From morathi's post, it sounds like the multiple blast one is some go-go-gadget extendo thing but I haven't seen him comment much about the other two.
So there are books being released, but there are no Apoc rules in these books right? Like this isn't like Spearhead where I can only get it in a hard to find WD issue?
Crud :-\ I was hoping to to be able to buy the WD and not the books
_Valten_ wrote:Just a quick note, but the new large apoc blast in 15", whereas the old (current) one is only 10".
CaptKaruthors wrote:The fact that the templates from the previous Apoc rules are now obsolete...severely pisses me off. Seriously GW...go feth yourself. That's one of the cheapest pissant things to pull. At that point...why not make the basic templates a different size as well? A$*holes
15" blasts??? That seems a bit extreme, even for apocalypse. Where do you store a 15" plastic circle template?
H.B.M.C. wrote: I just hope "Strength D" is a thing of the past.
My only concern if they completely do away with D-Strength weapons is that it will invalidate a lot of units unless a FAQ comes out to bring them all back in line with 'Strength' values. That is my biggest concern with this re-release of Apoc, is having models that can suddenly not be used due to dramatic rule changes.
I'm not sure why people are getting too worked up over the templates - surely they are one of the easiest things to make yourself if you don't want to pay GW prices? It's not as if not buying them means you cant play.
_Valten_ wrote:Just a quick note, but the new large apoc blast in 15", whereas the old (current) one is only 10".
CaptKaruthors wrote:The fact that the templates from the previous Apoc rules are now obsolete...severely pisses me off. Seriously GW...go feth yourself. That's one of the cheapest pissant things to pull. At that point...why not make the basic templates a different size as well? A$*holes
15" blasts??? That seems a bit extreme, even for apocalypse. Where do you store a 15" plastic circle template?
I suspect if you ask nicely while ordering, Dominos will give you an extra carrying case for free.
If you like big cases (and I do personally), it appears that the gamer's edition comes with the equivalent of two of the bigger double sized army cases (so 4 of the "normal" hardshell cases). That gives the battlefoam 1520 a run for its money on both price and carrying capacity. The later gets custom foam but the former looks a hell of alot cooler for 40k figs (especially imperial armies).
The case looks nice, but the only double sized, army case from GW that I ever got broke at the hinges almost right away. I'm a long way from confident enough in their big cases to trust an expensive army to them, so I'm probably skipping that one.
shade1313 wrote: The case looks nice, but the only double sized, army case from GW that I ever got broke at the hinges almost right away. I'm a long way from confident enough in their big cases to trust an expensive army to them, so I'm probably skipping that one.
While I don't doubt that it happened as its the most common complaint about the GW cases, I've never had it happen. I've owned 8 of the smaller ones and 4 of the big double sized ones (still have the 4 big and 2 small) and I've never had that happen even one. I've left the cases in unheated/uncooled Great Lakes storage for 2 years (95 in the summer and 10 in the winter) and that didn't make them any more or less brittle (they survived years of weekly use as well multiple moves before and after storage).
That probably means then the Lord of Skulls is only AV12. Kinda disappointing :/
You can make out its AV on the inset picture on page 21 of the WD (found a copy in my local Smith's on the way home from work) - Predator front for its front and sides, Rhino front for its rear.
I'm hoping, probably in vain, that the new terrain will work like existing Gun Emplacements. When I realised that the Vengeance Weapon Battery could be equipped with a Punisher Gatling Gun, I thought of what a Retributor would do with it, and wept manly tears.
Mythal wrote: When I realised that the Vengeance Weapon Battery could be equipped with a Punisher Gatling Gun, I thought of what a Retributor would do with it, and wept manly tears.
Oh snap son! Eat rending punisher cannon! I will seriously need new pants if those are normal 40k.
That probably means then the Lord of Skulls is only AV12. Kinda disappointing :/
You can make out its AV on the inset picture on page 21 of the WD (found a copy in my local Smith's on the way home from work) - Predator front for its front and sides, Rhino front for its rear.
I'm hoping, probably in vain, that the new terrain will work like existing Gun Emplacements. When I realised that the Vengeance Weapon Battery could be equipped with a Punisher Gatling Gun, I thought of what a Retributor would do with it, and wept manly tears.
AV13? How could an S7 weapon get a pen against AV13? You get a pen and you roll on the table in apoc, right?
That probably means then the Lord of Skulls is only AV12. Kinda disappointing :/
You can make out its AV on the inset picture on page 21 of the WD (found a copy in my local Smith's on the way home from work) - Predator front for its front and sides, Rhino front for its rear.
I'm hoping, probably in vain, that the new terrain will work like existing Gun Emplacements. When I realised that the Vengeance Weapon Battery could be equipped with a Punisher Gatling Gun, I thought of what a Retributor would do with it, and wept manly tears.
AV13? How could an S7 weapon get a pen against AV13? You get a pen and you roll on the table in apoc, right?
They're also prone to making Khorne SHVs somewhat more volatile than others when they are destroyed. Perhaps that played into it.
Vengeance Weapons Battery $50 -The box comes with two Vengeance Weapons Batteries. Each can be armed with either a Punisher Gatling Cannon or a Battle Cannon -The rules for both Apocalypse and Warhammer 40k are included in the box
Firestorm Redoubt $65 -Large fortification that has a pair of Quad-Linked Icarus Lascanons -The rules for both Apocalypse and Warhammer 40k are included in the box
Aquila Strongpoint $115 -Has two options: Macro-Cannon or Vortex Missile -Macro Cannon fire at a long range with an enormous blast radius. Can even target flyers. -Vortex Missile comes with 7 Vortex Missles, which are bigger versions of a Vortex Grenade, but with infinite range -The rules for both Apocalypse and Warhammer 40k are included in the box
Vengeance Weapons Battery $50
-The box comes with two Vengeance Weapons Batteries. Each can be armed with either a Punisher Gatling Cannon or a Battle Cannon
-The rules for both Apocalypse and Warhammer 40k are included in the box
Firestorm Redoubt $65
-Large fortification that has a pair of Quad-Linked Icarus Lascanons
-The rules for both Apocalypse and Warhammer 40k are included in the box
Aquila Strongpoint $115
-Has two options: Macro-Cannon or Vortex Missile
-Macro Cannon fire at a long range with an enormous blast radius. Can even target flyers.
-Vortex Missile comes with 7 Vortex Missles, which are bigger versions of a Vortex Grenade, but with infinite range
-The rules for both Apocalypse and Warhammer 40k are included in the box
I will not let myself experience hope. Hope is the mind-killer. Hope is the little death.
The case is really amazing, makes me wish I had the money.
Hmm collectors edition in what appears to be a cardboard box?
naa il pass.
thanks for the pics
Meh, the gw figure cases are known for falling apart at the worst possible time. The Gamer\collectors editions of the past have been pretty cool so these disappoint. I have the bolter ammo case that is metal, not a rubbish cardboard shoebox and the munitorum satchel is pretty cool too.
My youngest GW case is over a decade with several reaching back another 5-6 years. I have 10 or so of them from when I worked for GW and before that. NOT ONE has broken. That's thru over a dozen moves across a couple of states and several years in a non-controlled environment storage unit. GW cases are fine.
On another note, holy hell, new 40k fortifications!!!!!!
Hulksmash wrote: My youngest GW case is over a decade with several reaching back another 5-6 years. I have 10 or so of them from when I worked for GW and before that. NOT ONE has broken. That's thru over a dozen moves across a couple of states and several years in a non-controlled environment storage unit. GW cases are fine.
On another note, holy hell, new 40k fortifications!!!!!!
Hulksmash wrote: My youngest GW case is over a decade with several reaching back another 5-6 years. I have 10 or so of them from when I worked for GW and before that. NOT ONE has broken. That's thru over a dozen moves across a couple of states and several years in a non-controlled environment storage unit. GW cases are fine.
On another note, holy hell, new 40k fortifications!!!!!!
I have a GW case I got in an army sale, and the darn thing is near perfect and everything is from 2002 at the latest (the guy I bought the army off of started and stopped playing in 3rd edition, and gave me the "3.5" chaos codex when I bought it off of him).
Hulksmash wrote: On another note, holy hell, new 40k fortifications!!!!!!
The big macro cannon thing will probably end up like the FoR and either not allowed or not used. The other two though...
Double quad-guns or double icarus for one fort will be huge.
Double Punishers for Sisters of Battle will be ridiculous.
Those can definitely make flyers a little less useful.
That Vengeance thing-a-ma-jig will go nicely with my Krieg. I was hankering for some better anti-air than just a hydra, and Krieg and Bunkers go together like chocolate and peanut butter.
Though when they say normal rules for 40k with the Aquila thing, I'm assuming they don't mean using the vortex missiles in normal games.
If so, I'll get one just to kill imhotek every single time.
i do have a small GW case with a broken clasp, out of the 4 i own...
my big case is still in perfect condition, even after years of dragging it around the world, despite the best efforts of the fine baggage handlers who treat luggage like it's a Dwarf tossing contest...
Just going to throw it out there: IF you look at the new Apocalypse Blast Template, there are actually a series of rings inside it. To me it appears that these rings translate to 5", 7", and 10" (with the template itself being 15") meaning that the 15" template doesn't replace the 10", its just a new option.
Does anyone have a feel for the size of the case compared to the current GW army cases?
chaos0xomega wrote: Just going to throw it out there: IF you look at the new Apocalypse Blast Template, there are actually a series of rings inside it. To me it appears that these rings translate to 5", 7", and 10" (with the template itself being 15") meaning that the 15" template doesn't replace the 10", its just a new option.
The issue I have is that we had 3 perfectly acceptable templates previously. Just like the 3 basic templates that didn't change since 3rd edition...these should not have changed either. It's just a cash grab. Nothing more. A change for change's sake. Which is DUMB. It's a waste of time and resources.
Well, to be fair only one of the templates changed. The Hellfire template is still the same size from what I can tell, and the previous templates are still valid, you're just adding a new one on top of it (15"). The only real change is the multiple blast/barrage one, which IMO, I'm glad changed because the previous one was clumsy and kind of uninspired.
chaos0xomega wrote: Well, to be fair only one of the templates changed. The Hellfire template is still the same size from what I can tell, and the previous templates are still valid, you're just adding a new one on top of it (15"). The only real change is the multiple blast/barrage one, which IMO, I'm glad changed because the previous one was clumsy and kind of uninspired.
I think the new "daisy chain" template is neat, and I like it. But I wish they'd just made it in the same neon green as the old ones, repackaged them all together, and also had them available separately.
I really look foward to getting a Tesseract Vault. I hope it we be able to be built to transform between modes without too much work. The motor idea I saw ealier woulf be awesome. Imagine your opponent's face when you set down an obelisk and hit a button revealing that its actually a vault containing a deadly C'tan!
Enigwolf wrote: Does anyone have a feel for the size of the case compared to the current GW army cases?
Posted last page. Two double cases from the description (so 4x small gw hard cases).
Ah gotcha, thanks. And I'm guessing that's just in thickness right? length and breadth dimensions are the same? (I'm trying to figure out if it's something I can carry on-board onto a plane)
Because this thread is kind of a mess, just to confirm, the new Apoc templates are different than the old ones, and we still don't know anything about D weapons, is that correct?
What about D weapons do you need to know, if its are they still in Apoc then the answer appears to be yes as on the battle report page with the picture of all the Dark Angels models it does mention taking 3 Predator Annihilators and if all their lascannons hit they fire as D weapons instead, but if its to know if they auto penetrate etc then that has not been mentioned so far but more than likely has remained the same.
It's the ignore cover save part about D weapons I'm most curious of. That, combined with their usual very large blast markers, means they used to remove entire units at a time.
OMG... I was going to mostly write this release off with exception to the terrain, but OMG... That case... I must have to have that case. Someone help me, I think I need an intervention.
Is it bad that I don't actually want to use the case I just want to decorate my game room with it?
Great, I finally got a nice looking Eldar Aegis Defense Line accomplished and now I have to build to a Firestorm Redoubt too!(I mean, who can say 'No' to that AA ability for anti-AV12!?).
I was already excited because I love Apoc, now I'm excited about this release just from what it can bring to average 40k games and accessories. That Gamers Edition Bag is AMAZING.
Enigwolf wrote: Does anyone have a feel for the size of the case compared to the current GW army cases?
Posted last page. Two double cases from the description (so 4x small gw hard cases).
Ah gotcha, thanks. And I'm guessing that's just in thickness right? length and breadth dimensions are the same? (I'm trying to figure out if it's something I can carry on-board onto a plane)
I can only imagine the reaction of the TSA to "vortex grenades"...
Enigwolf wrote: Does anyone have a feel for the size of the case compared to the current GW army cases?
Posted last page. Two double cases from the description (so 4x small gw hard cases).
Ah gotcha, thanks. And I'm guessing that's just in thickness right? length and breadth dimensions are the same? (I'm trying to figure out if it's something I can carry on-board onto a plane)
I can only imagine the reaction of the TSA to "vortex grenades"...
...Yeah... I was planning to put tape over that part and the "Warning" labels... lol
Enigwolf wrote: Does anyone have a feel for the size of the case compared to the current GW army cases?
Posted last page. Two double cases from the description (so 4x small gw hard cases).
Ah gotcha, thanks. And I'm guessing that's just in thickness right? length and breadth dimensions are the same? (I'm trying to figure out if it's something I can carry on-board onto a plane)
I can only imagine the reaction of the TSA to "vortex grenades"...
...Yeah... I was planning to put tape over that part and the "Warning" labels... lol
It really wouldn't be that big of a problem. Just open the case for them, or at least when it passes through the xray machine they'll see models, not bombs.
Enigwolf wrote: Does anyone have a feel for the size of the case compared to the current GW army cases?
Posted last page. Two double cases from the description (so 4x small gw hard cases).
Ah gotcha, thanks. And I'm guessing that's just in thickness right? length and breadth dimensions are the same? (I'm trying to figure out if it's something I can carry on-board onto a plane)
I can only imagine the reaction of the TSA to "vortex grenades"...
...Yeah... I was planning to put tape over that part and the "Warning" labels... lol
It really wouldn't be that big of a problem. Just open the case for them, or at least when it passes through the xray machine they'll see models, not bombs.
Yeah. I'm just curious about the dimensions though. Some airlines are nitpicky about the dimensions of your carry-on.
Enigwolf wrote: Does anyone have a feel for the size of the case compared to the current GW army cases?
Posted last page. Two double cases from the description (so 4x small gw hard cases).
Ah gotcha, thanks. And I'm guessing that's just in thickness right? length and breadth dimensions are the same? (I'm trying to figure out if it's something I can carry on-board onto a plane)
I can only imagine the reaction of the TSA to "vortex grenades"...
...Yeah... I was planning to put tape over that part and the "Warning" labels... lol
It really wouldn't be that big of a problem. Just open the case for them, or at least when it passes through the xray machine they'll see models, not bombs.
Yeah. I'm just curious about the dimensions though. Some airlines are nitpicky about the dimensions of your carry-on.
Dont most airlines just say it has to fit in the overhead cargo area? I cant imagine this being bigger than that. You should be fine Id think.
Enigwolf wrote: Does anyone have a feel for the size of the case compared to the current GW army cases?
Posted last page. Two double cases from the description (so 4x small gw hard cases).
Ah gotcha, thanks. And I'm guessing that's just in thickness right? length and breadth dimensions are the same? (I'm trying to figure out if it's something I can carry on-board onto a plane)
I sincerely doubt it. I'm getting my info from the picture caption two pages back that shows the case. It's got the pick and pluck equivalent (in vehicle foam) of 12 normal GW foam inserts... It says two "army cases" in the description and the "army cases" are the double sized ones. While you could check that in, you'll never be able to reliably get it as carryon in this day and age as it definitely won't fit in a carry on guide they usually have at US TSA checkpoints. They may occasionally not notice the size and it will likely technically fit but I wouldn't count on it. I've got a piece of suit luggage that I know fits on every major commercial jet overhead (took it on at least two dozen flights) a decade ago but they always use that excuse now to disallow it (and it is technically too big).
Dont most airlines just say it has to fit in the overhead cargo area? I cant imagine this being bigger than that. You should be fine Id think.
See above. You may be able to slip it on occasionally if they don't notice but 12 pieces of GW foam don't fit in the carryon guide present in most US airports. A single small GW case would but that thing is supposedly equal in capacity to four of them.
Alpharius wrote: I'd love to get the card datasheets, but not at the $250 buy-in.
2nd edition nostalgia will only take me so far...
Maybe they'll offer them separately later on?
I'm thinking a lot of folks are going to be buying and splitting the various collector/gamer editions just from the posts over the last few pages. A lot of folks want just the case or just the cards, etc.
I'm looking forward to the sprue and weapon layout of the new terrain. Add in that the terrain seems pretty nice on it's own and new rules to mix things up more and I'm sold
SickSix wrote: Well if the gamers edition includes-
book
templates
dice
cards
case
$250 seems fairly decent. That would mean they are only charging about $100 for that case.
It is just the case and the rule book for $250. So the case is 175.75 and the book is 74.25 (296 page hard cover). Expensive no doubt, but maybe not entirely too expensive.
The more I see of the Khornemower, the more I like it (or parts of it).
I wonder if anyone (especially comversion maniacs like myself) would be interested in going halvsies on it - like, one person gets the bottom to make a nasty counts-as Baneblade for their traitor IG Blood Pact dudes, and the other person gets the top to convert a mini/scout Titan...
catharsix wrote: The more I see of the Khornemower, the more I like it (or parts of it).
I wonder if anyone (especially comversion maniacs like myself) would be interested in going halvsies on it - like, one person gets the bottom to make a nasty counts-as Baneblade for their traitor IG Blood Pact dudes, and the other person gets the top to convert a mini/scout Titan...
I too was thinking of this. The scale looks close enough that you could use the legs from a Dreamforge Leviathan kit and mount the top half of the Khornemower on it to make a Khorne titan. It's relly not that expensive either.
Tell you what. If you want to go half/half with me, I'll take the top half.
Gamer's Edition (200€) is standard Apocalypse rulebook plus special edition case (double standard army case).
Collector's edition (200€ as well) contains the material of the Apocalypse book split into several items making it look like Inquisitor Coteaz luggage box. Beside the box itself (looks like sturdy multilayer cardboard, designed) there is the green book with rules only, then a booklet "Warzone Pandorax" in secret file style ((Pandorax is DA, Grey Knights vs. CSM), single cardboard sheets for all Apocalypse data sheets with a blue cover to hold them it seems), cards with the strategems and a DM screen with all relevant info printed on the back. This is what I conclude from WD info.
Kroothawk wrote: Gamer's Edition (200€) is standard Apocalypse rulebook plus special edition case (double standard army case).
Collector's edition (200€ as well) contains the material of the Apocalypse book split into several items making it look like Inquisitor Coteaz luggage box. Beside the box itself (looks like sturdy multilayer cardboard, designed) there is the green book with rules only, then a booklet "Warzone Pandorax" in secret file style ((Pandorax is DA, Grey Knights vs. CSM), single cardboard sheets for all Apocalypse data sheets with a blue cover to hold them it seems), cards with the strategems and a DM screen with all relevant info printed on the back. This is what I conclude from WD info.
Cheers Mate, my wallet just felt the rape :( if that terrain is 40k legal and not ahhh dumb points then... yeah this is gonna be an expensive release and thats before i start shoring up formations etc :(
Kroothawk, I think the Collectors Ed. also contains "Warzone Armageddon" (you can see a couple blurbs about it in the photos but no real details other than it has rules for the Third War for Armageddon). If you read the description of the Collectors ed in one of the photos (I think its Note #5 on one of the two page spreads) it mentions "Armageddon" as being in the contents in addition to Pandorax
I believe the Armageddon campaign is included in the regular Apocalypse book as well. The Collector's Edition rulebook is basically just split into several smaller books. The Pandorax campaign is currently collector's edition only, with a note that it will be available several months later for non-collectors.
I ask because, well, the pre-orders go up on Saturday. Saturday is a relative term. Saturday is 30 minutes away for those of us who live in the future (/spooky voice), and by that I mean Oz and it's already Saturday in NZ.
It changes, HBMC. starting with 6th edition's release and going through the 40k codecies, I've seen new release stuff go up on Friday night at 6 PM (I live in Houston, Texas), and during the middle of the night when I slept, and on Saturday morning at ~7 AM.
However, it seems like the most frequent were Friday night at 6 PM. I think. Maybe.
kronk wrote: It changes, HBMC. starting with 6th edition's release and going through the 40k codecies, I've seen new release stuff go up on Friday night at 6 PM (I live in Houston, Texas), and during the middle of the night when I slept, and on Saturday morning at ~7 AM.
However, it seems like the most frequent were Friday night at 6 PM. I think. Maybe.
You're an hour behind me, so yes, that makes sense for CDT.
chaos0xomega wrote: Kroothawk, I think the Collectors Ed. also contains "Warzone Armageddon" (you can see a couple blurbs about it in the photos but no real details other than it has rules for the Third War for Armageddon).
You are right, two warzone files: Pandorax and Armageddon. But I think, both are included in the standard Apocalypse rulebook, here as separate "secret files" for style.
Odd thing I noted from a quick flick through the new issue.
During the battle report, one of the players uses a stratagem -- undermining or collapse or somesuch ? -- that, I think, removes one section of the RoB board they're playing on.
No, the Pandorax campaign (GK, DA and CSM) is not included in the default Apocalypse book, but they hint that it will be available later through other means, but not for a few months at least. The Armageddon campaign is included though.
reds8n wrote: Odd thing I noted from a quick flick through the new issue.
During the battle report, one of the players uses a stratagem -- undermining or collapse or somesuch ? -- that, I think, removes one section of the RoB board they're playing on.
Wait what? Now that's just silly and a lot of effort. What if you aren't playing on a RoB board? Put police tape and a sign that says "this table does not exist" on the missing section?
reds8n wrote: Odd thing I noted from a quick flick through the new issue.
During the battle report, one of the players uses a stratagem -- undermining or collapse or somesuch ? -- that, I think, removes one section of the RoB board they're playing on.
Wait what? Now that's just silly and a lot of effort. What if you aren't playing on a RoB board? Put police tape and a sign that says "this table does not exist" on the missing section?
You're allowed to play Warhammer on something Other than a Realm of Battle board? GW never told me that!
It is likely that you will not be able to pick that one if you are not playing on a RoB. Fantasy has something like that in storm of magic and it forbids you from using it without a RoB.
White Ninja wrote: It is likely that you will not be able to pick that one if you are not playing on a RoB. Fantasy has something like that in storm of magic and it forbids you from using it without a RoB.
White Ninja wrote: It is likely that you will not be able to pick that one if you are not playing on a RoB. Fantasy has something like that in storm of magic and it forbids you from using it without a RoB.
Technically, it says don't use if not using a RoB board or similarly constructed table.
Redemption wrote: I believe the Armageddon campaign is included in the regular Apocalypse book as well. The Collector's Edition rulebook is basically just split into several smaller books. The Pandorax campaign is currently collector's edition only, with a note that it will be available several months later for non-collectors.
White Ninja wrote: It is likely that you will not be able to pick that one if you are not playing on a RoB. Fantasy has something like that in storm of magic and it forbids you from using it without a RoB.
Technically, it says don't use if not using a RoB board or similarly constructed table.
And by "Similarly Constructed" they must mean a table that can't be measured off into 2' x 2' sections? Come on, we measure off sections of the table every game for deployment, it's not like we can't do it during play. I know they want to sell their tables, but that's going a little too far.
Grey Knight Extermination Force
Consists of 3 Stormravens and a Dreadknight
The Dreadknight marks the target, and the Stormravens automatically hit it
Wraithknight Dreamwalker Squad
Consists of 3 Wraithknights or More?
They become energized by the more Wraithknights in the formation, becoming more accurate with shooting and in close combat, also increases to movement and charging.
reds8n wrote: During the battle report, one of the players uses a stratagem -- undermining or collapse or somesuch ? -- that, I think, removes one section of the RoB board they're playing on.
That's what I fear about this version of Apoc - there won't be a thing in the book that isn't represented via an existing model and/or template.
reds8n wrote: During the battle report, one of the players uses a stratagem -- undermining or collapse or somesuch ? -- that, I think, removes one section of the RoB board they're playing on.
That's what I fear about this version of Apoc - there won't be a thing in the book that isn't represented via an existing model and/or template.
Yeah, recent events probably have conspired to make this fear very true.
Dread Mob (Orks) Consists of at least two Ork Deff Dreads, and 6 Killa Cans. Some Randomness involved as the formation can give the group extra bonus's to close combat, shooting, give it a kustom force field, and sometimes combine the effects
The Lost and the Damned (Chaos Space Marines) It infiltrates, ignores pain, massive bonus's to assault, and destroyed units within the formation can be brought back to fight some more. 6 units of 10 cultists and a Dark Apostle make up this formation.
You could just taken an axe to your table and hack off a 2x2 section?
Actually, to me, that's only slightly removed from the mentality of spending £200 on a 'collectors edition' of the book.. it's managed to make the price of the Forge World Horus Heresy book seem reasonable by comparison.
BlueDagger wrote: +1 cool points to anyone that convert this up as a Khone Lord of Skulls
$49 on ebay, so $110 left over to grimdark it up and reprogram the voice box to say "Blood for the Blood God!"
I can't help but feel that GW have gone too far with this latest release..
Guys, just a thought. There might be new models being released that are not under GW. It's infrequent that we have leaks about Forgeworld releases. Remember, this is Apocalypse. So we might very well see an Imperator model in this release. They've been building up - from the Warhound to the Reaver, and the Phantom and Revenant titans.
That's what I fear about this version of Apoc - there won't be a thing in the book that isn't represented via an existing model and/or template.
Same here. APOC is my favorite way to play. I'm already pissed I have to buy new templates...and that has soured me somewhat to this release. I loved the scratch built uber laser in the original APOC and all the cool scratch built tables. I would be sad face if all the tables had a "canned" or "out of the box" look to it. The new APOC Batrep definitely felt that way.
That's what I fear about this version of Apoc - there won't be a thing in the book that isn't represented via an existing model and/or template.
Same here. APOC is my favorite way to play. I'm already pissed I have to buy new templates...and that has soured me somewhat to this release. I loved the scratch built uber laser in the original APOC and all the cool scratch built tables. I would be sad face if all the tables had a "canned" or "out of the box" look to it. The new APOC Batrep definitely felt that way.
But if we've learned anything from the GW vs CH lawsuit, its that GW will not release another codex without having models from it. They don't want to let a second rate third party fill in their gaps. Its better to hold off on getting the codex updated so they can ensure they have filled 100% of the models in their new book. Hence the reason we didn't have any substantial updates for a year and a half or so and they are all coming out now.
Enigwolf wrote: Guys, just a thought. There might be new models being released that are not under GW. It's infrequent that we have leaks about Forgeworld releases. Remember, this is Apocalypse. So we might very well see an Imperator model in this release. They've been building up - from the Warhound to the Reaver, and the Phantom and Revenant titans.
We get infrequent leaks about FW because they actually tell us what they're going to be releasing in good time.
That said, if they were going cross company, they wouldn't be able to spill without ruining GWs super special secret squirrel club, so its something to hope for I guess.
Won't be an Imperator though, Warlord maybe, but not Imperator.
That's what I fear about this version of Apoc - there won't be a thing in the book that isn't represented via an existing model and/or template.
Same here. APOC is my favorite way to play. I'm already pissed I have to buy new templates...and that has soured me somewhat to this release. I loved the scratch built uber laser in the original APOC and all the cool scratch built tables. I would be sad face if all the tables had a "canned" or "out of the box" look to it. The new APOC Batrep definitely felt that way.
But if we've learned anything from the GW vs CH lawsuit, its that GW will not release another codex without having models from it. They don't want to let a second rate third party fill in their gaps. Its better to hold off on getting the codex updated so they can ensure they have filled 100% of the models in their new book. Hence the reason we didn't have any substantial updates for a year and a half or so and they are all coming out now.
Forgeworld. There could be new Apoc units being released by Forgeworld.
Enigwolf wrote: Guys, just a thought. There might be new models being released that are not under GW. It's infrequent that we have leaks about Forgeworld releases. Remember, this is Apocalypse. So we might very well see an Imperator model in this release. They've been building up - from the Warhound to the Reaver, and the Phantom and Revenant titans.
We get infrequent leaks about FW because they actually tell us what they're going to be releasing in good time.
That said, if they were going cross company, they wouldn't be able to spill without ruining GWs super special secret squirrel club, so its something to hope for I guess.
Won't be an Imperator though, Warlord maybe, but not Imperator.
I'd be surprised if fw tied in any releases with this, as they've already sent out 1 new release notification today - a minotaurs contemptor. Wouldn't have thought that they'd do 2 separate new release announcements in the same day
kitch102 wrote: I'd be surprised if fw tied in any releases with this, as they've already sent out 1 new release notification today - a minotaurs contemptor. Wouldn't have thought that they'd do 2 separate new release announcements in the same day
It may be down the line. You never know. Look at the majority of the Apoc-only units. Guess who produces them? That's right. Forge World.
One thing FW does not do is step on GW's toes. They won't release anything that might impede GW's sales so I don't expect to see any Apoc type releases for a month or so. Even then, expect to see variations on existing themes tied to Heresy rather than anything new.
Breotan wrote: One thing FW does not do is step on GW's toes. They won't release anything that might impede GW's sales so I don't expect to see any Apoc type releases for a month or so. Even then, expect to see variations on existing themes tied to Heresy rather than anything new.
Actually, FW releases tend to boost Apoc sales and vice versa. If FW released say a Necron superheavy or Daemon engine, that may step on toes, but there is plenty of stuff FW could release that would boost the Apoc release- more titan weapons for the reaver (please?), Additional arm and head options for the Stompa, Things like that.
Breotan wrote: One thing FW does not do is step on GW's toes. They won't release anything that might impede GW's sales so I don't expect to see any Apoc type releases for a month or so. Even then, expect to see variations on existing themes tied to Heresy rather than anything new.
Actually, FW releases tend to boost Apoc sales and vice versa. If FW released say a Necron superheavy or Daemon engine, that may step on toes, but there is plenty of stuff FW could release that would boost the Apoc release- more titan weapons for the reaver (please?), Additional arm and head options for the Stompa, Things like that.
Turret options for Baneblade-chassis Superheavies just like how they do Chimera turrets, Chimera variants, and Leman Russ Turrets (as well as like, Hammerhead Turrets and such). It will DEFINITELY boost GW sales.
Breotan wrote: One thing FW does not do is step on GW's toes. They won't release anything that might impede GW's sales so I don't expect to see any Apoc type releases for a month or so. Even then, expect to see variations on existing themes tied to Heresy rather than anything new.
Actually, FW releases tend to boost Apoc sales and vice versa. If FW released say a Necron superheavy or Daemon engine, that may step on toes, but there is plenty of stuff FW could release that would boost the Apoc release- more titan weapons for the reaver (please?), Additional arm and head options for the Stompa, Things like that.
Turret options for Baneblade-chassis Superheavies just like how they do Chimera turrets, Chimera variants, and Leman Russ Turrets (as well as like, Hammerhead Turrets and such). It will DEFINITELY boost GW sales.
Actually, GW has pretty much all the Baneblade/shadowsword turret options covered in the (now combined) plastic kit, besides the Stormsword with the plasma cannon.
Breotan wrote: One thing FW does not do is step on GW's toes. They won't release anything that might impede GW's sales so I don't expect to see any Apoc type releases for a month or so. Even then, expect to see variations on existing themes tied to Heresy rather than anything new.
Actually, FW releases tend to boost Apoc sales and vice versa. If FW released say a Necron superheavy or Daemon engine, that may step on toes, but there is plenty of stuff FW could release that would boost the Apoc release- more titan weapons for the reaver (please?), Additional arm and head options for the Stompa, Things like that.
Turret options for Baneblade-chassis Superheavies just like how they do Chimera turrets, Chimera variants, and Leman Russ Turrets (as well as like, Hammerhead Turrets and such). It will DEFINITELY boost GW sales.
Actually, GW has pretty much all the Baneblade/shadowsword turret options covered in the (now combined) plastic kit, besides the Stormsword with the plasma cannon.
Two, actually. The Stormblade as you mentioned is one, the Stormsword is another. The Baneblade box can build a Hellhammer, and the Shadowsword box can build a Stormlord. We don't know what the new box can build.
Breotan wrote: One thing FW does not do is step on GW's toes. They won't release anything that might impede GW's sales so I don't expect to see any Apoc type releases for a month or so. Even then, expect to see variations on existing themes tied to Heresy rather than anything new.
Actually, FW releases tend to boost Apoc sales and vice versa. If FW released say a Necron superheavy or Daemon engine, that may step on toes, but there is plenty of stuff FW could release that would boost the Apoc release- more titan weapons for the reaver (please?), Additional arm and head options for the Stompa, Things like that.
Turret options for Baneblade-chassis Superheavies just like how they do Chimera turrets, Chimera variants, and Leman Russ Turrets (as well as like, Hammerhead Turrets and such). It will DEFINITELY boost GW sales.
Actually, GW has pretty much all the Baneblade/shadowsword turret options covered in the (now combined) plastic kit, besides the Stormsword with the plasma cannon.
Two, actually. The Stormblade as you mentioned is one, the Stormsword is another. The Baneblade box can build a Hellhammer, and the Shadowsword box can build a Stormlord. We don't know what the new box can build.
Well, it is the baneblade box with the Shadowsword turret sprues added and a price bump, so it can build a Baneblade, Hellhammer, Stormlord, Shadowsword, Stormsword (without flamer sponson options) Banehammer, Banesword, and Doomhammer.
The current models from GW and FW cover a number of the (scaled down) Titan weapon options on a baneblade hull pattern- Turbolaser/Volcano cannon (called the latter, but rules-wise no better than the former), Vulcan Megabolter, Plasma Blastgun, Quake Cannon (downscaled), melta cannon (scaled down to the Magnacannon) and Gatling Blaster (traded far less shots for a larger blast and bump in strength on the Baneblade cannon).
That leaves the Inferno Blastgun (which would look cool), Apoc Missile Launcher, and Vortex Missile (available on the Deathstrike Missile Launcher)
FW should do the former two- the Inferno blastgun on a Stormlord hull would be awesome looking with a big fuel tank where the troop bay is, and An Apoc missile launcher could be mounted Manticore style in the Stormlord troop bay area, and replace the forward gun with a targeting array.
Well, it is the baneblade box with the Shadowsword turret sprues added and a price bump, so it can build a Baneblade, Hellhammer, Stormlord, Shadowsword, Stormsword (without flamer sponson options) Banehammer, Banesword, and Doomhammer.
Personally, I'm waiting for a kit that allows me to build a Hammerhammer. I'd settle for a Swordsword or a Banebane, though...
The thing that destroyed the ROB tile was called a Psychic Choir formation chosen by the Dark Angels, this was led by Ezekiel and consisted of 5 other psykers, it gave them the ability to unleash a Force Vortex which they did against the Lord Of Skulls and it eventually killed it but a turn or 2 later they say the Force Vortex they had created buried its way underground and would cause a Seismic Cataclysm on the next turn, this was then rolled for from a table so there will be a few results available and he got a Total Collapse result which meant a random board tile was simply removed from play, wouldn't suprise me if a few weapons or formations would be able to cause such a thing to the battlefield.
Userarm wrote: The thing that destroyed the ROB tile was called a Psychic Choir formation chosen by the Dark Angels, this was led by Ezekiel and consisted of 5 other psykers, it gave them the ability to unleash a Force Vortex which they did against the Lord Of Skulls and it eventually killed it but a turn or 2 later they say the Force Vortex they had created buried its way underground and would cause a Seismic Cataclysm on the next turn, this was then rolled for from a table so there will be a few results available and he got a Total Collapse result which meant a random board tile was simply removed from play, wouldn't suprise me if a few weapons or formations would be able to cause such a thing to the battlefield.
So...After what happened to Caliban, they're just going to go around completely annihilating other planets too then?
I do like that the Total Collapse seems to remove a random tile, and not a targeted tile selected by the player that caused it. Such potentially powerful effects should carry some risk to use.
If the super heavy vehicles have hull points I'm hoping they have a way to damage reduce like the LR Achilles has. Otherwise Titans are going to be garbage if they can be one shotted by a meltagun.
CaptKaruthors wrote: If the super heavy vehicles have hull points I'm hoping they have a way to damage reduce like the LR Achilles has. Otherwise Titans are going to be garbage if they can be one shotted by a meltagun.
Im guessing that the damage table will be similar to the way it is now where if you get a 6 you get to keep rolling. Well have to wait and see, but I agree, I hope they are very durable.
CaptKaruthors wrote: If the super heavy vehicles have hull points I'm hoping they have a way to damage reduce like the LR Achilles has. Otherwise Titans are going to be garbage if they can be one shotted by a meltagun.
They've probably moved superheavies to hull points to simplify things, but will still have some rule to prevent one-shotting. Probably something simple like a special super-heavy damage table, with a modifier if the vehicle has more than X HP left.
CaptKaruthors wrote: If the super heavy vehicles have hull points I'm hoping they have a way to damage reduce like the LR Achilles has. Otherwise Titans are going to be garbage if they can be one shotted by a meltagun.
Remember that Titans still have void shields, so they're definitely not getting one-shotted.
CaptKaruthors wrote: If the super heavy vehicles have hull points I'm hoping they have a way to damage reduce like the LR Achilles has. Otherwise Titans are going to be garbage if they can be one shotted by a meltagun.
Remember that Titans still have void shields, so they're definitely not getting one-shotted.
CaptKaruthors wrote: If the super heavy vehicles have hull points I'm hoping they have a way to damage reduce like the LR Achilles has. Otherwise Titans are going to be garbage if they can be one shotted by a meltagun.
Remember that Titans still have void shields, so they're definitely not getting one-shotted.
Unless you fly/deepstrike inside the shield.
Now that would be a cool mechanic to put into a new edition...
CaptKaruthors wrote: If the super heavy vehicles have hull points I'm hoping they have a way to damage reduce like the LR Achilles has. Otherwise Titans are going to be garbage if they can be one shotted by a meltagun.
Remember that Titans still have void shields, so they're definitely not getting one-shotted.
Unless you fly/deepstrike inside the shield.
Now that would be a cool mechanic to put into a new edition...
Its not a new mechanic. It currently exists. I have killed 3 warhounds with drop podding sternguard.
Userarm wrote: The thing that destroyed the ROB tile was called a Psychic Choir formation chosen by the Dark Angels, this was led by Ezekiel and consisted of 5 other psykers, it gave them the ability to unleash a Force Vortex which they did against the Lord Of Skulls and it eventually killed it but a turn or 2 later they say the Force Vortex they had created buried its way underground and would cause a Seismic Cataclysm on the next turn, this was then rolled for from a table so there will be a few results available and he got a Total Collapse result which meant a random board tile was simply removed from play, wouldn't suprise me if a few weapons or formations would be able to cause such a thing to the battlefield.
So...After what happened to Caliban, they're just going to go around completely annihilating other planets too then?
Misery loves company, and the Dark Angels are certainly a miserable bunch
Lord of Skulls is actually pretty awesome looking. Now if only Chaos Space Marines had the same aesthetic as their newer vehicles... not that I prefer the newer look I just like consistency.
In saying that... those prices... eurgh... really?
We have brought together every terrain kit used in that battle report so that you can recreate this fantastic battle. That's right, we're selling you all of this as one collection! So if you think you can do better than the guys in the battle report it's time to put your money where your mouth is.
Since I'm assuming the strategic cards aren't essential (pen and paper will do for me).
I'm probably just going to get the rulebook, plus the templates, unless some company like waylandgames decide to do a pretty awesome bundle deal with real savings.
Unlike say, totalwargamers... Really, who'd want to buy both a lord of skulls and a tesseract?
Compel wrote: Since I'm assuming the strategic cards aren't essential (pen and paper will do for me).
I'm probably just going to get the rulebook, plus the templates, unless some company like waylandgames decide to do a pretty awesome bundle deal with real savings.
Unlike say, totalwargamers... Really, who'd want to buy both a lord of skulls and a tesseract?
Correct me if I'm wrong, Baneblades weren't £85 before today were they?
Shame that these are all One-Click Scandals instead of getting an actual discount. Anyone hoping for that great Emperor's Fist Tank Company that they released last time for £150? Well now it's £310. Thanks GW!!
Valkyrie wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, Baneblades weren't £85 before today were they?
Nope. Now you get to pay 50% more so you can get both the Shadowsword and Baneblade gun sprues. Of course since you can't build both variants at once this just means you pay 50% more for a bunch of scrap plastic you're never going to use.
The spawn tide has more than doubled in price and no longer has the CSM squad. Would it really have killed GW to have some kind of discount? I was looking forward to dropping a good bit of money in this release but now I'll probably just get the rule book.
Yeah, the rulebook, templates cause I didn't have the old ones, and maybe the cards. If they'd done a splash discount like before I'd probably spend stupid amounts of money. But thankfully they didn't......
To me, the part of the Lord of Skulls that looks good is the part that looks just like an oversized CSM; I find the rest of it looks terrible.
The tesseract vault looks awesome, although I'm less of a fan of the obelisk.
I can't see the appeal of the collector's or gamer's editions though: the former looks to me like you're largely paying £105 to have the rulebook split into sections with a little bit extra and strategic assest cards; whilst the latter's a £105 case...?
Welp, no mention of a non-iPad version at launch. That's disappointing.
Formations are all full price one-click bundles. Expected but disappointing.
It *looks* like the main book will be the same size as the rest of the 40k hardbound books, so that's pleasant. It also looks like it bound similarly. So, the book itself will be higher quality this time around... that's nice.
They have a formation for the Fortress of Arrogance, so it looks like they're keeping in units that they don't make explicit models for, as long as it's a fairly simple conversion off of the main kit. They also have shots of a Reaver titan, so FW stuff should be in. I was a little concerned that they might push FW models to only having rules in FW books.
So, eh, nothing too surprising. I'll be getting a copy of the rulebook, probably some templates, and I don't expect much else.
So pre-order for the book, templates, dice cube etc all in....email confirmation received.
I was tempted to go a little mad this evening if they were offering some deals on complete formations.....Tank Company / Armored Fist Formation etc....
And behold the Tank Company is £310 and represents no saving at all.....so instead of me spending £300 - 400 I spent like £90. I might as well buy ten at Dark Sphere or similar...
Sometimes GW annoy me considerably....would a 20 to 25% reduction kill that much?
pretre wrote: Confirmed the firestorm and vengeance have 40k rules.
Oh good. Now that we've all spent lots of money on flyers we can spend lots of money on quad-linked interceptor lascannons to make flyers irrelevant.
You must be new here...
I've been expecting an AA splash since they made fliers the new hotness. To be fair, I was (and still am) expecting a full AA expansion along the lines of Death From the Skies. And, no, don't track me Pretre, I'm just being a curmudgeon, not a monger.
They have a formation for the Fortress of Arrogance, so it looks like they're keeping in units that they don't make explicit models for, as long as it's a fairly simple conversion off of the main kit. They also have shots of a Reaver titan, so FW stuff should be in. I was a little concerned that they might push FW models to only having rules in FW books.
I did see a model for Fortress of Arrogance just before the website crashed. I think it was $156.00 USD. I clicked on it to see what the extra parts were in the kit, but the site had crashed by then.
pretre wrote: Prices can't be too high if the preordering is breaking their site. Lol
Did you really just say that?
Also, you have no way to determine if the traffic crushing their site is from pre-orders or window shoppers checking things out. I'm betting more lookers than buyers.
I have no doubt they will sell out of their "limited" stuff. Even more so, as they drive the entire world to the one place you can get it.
Is it still considered "limited" if you create your own shortage of stock?
That flying "super monolith" looks pretty awesome. Can't wait to see someone buy it and paint it up with some awesome object source lighting from that star god thing in the middle.
pretre wrote: Prices can't be too high if the preordering is breaking their site. Lol
Did you really just say that?
Also, you have no way to determine if the traffic crushing their site is from pre-orders or window shoppers checking things out. I'm betting more lookers than buyers.
I have no doubt they will sell out of their "limited" stuff. Even more so, as they drive the entire world to the one place you can get it.
Is it still considered "limited" if you create your own shortage of stock?
It was said tongue in cheek. Although I start to think more and more that aomeone at GW is obsessed with price an how it changes supply and demand.
pretre wrote: It was said tongue in cheek. Although I start to think more and more that aomeone at GW is obsessed with price an how it changes supply and demand.
I was beginning to wonder there.....
Don't get me wrong, I would buy every single thing they have to offer SM/CSM/Eldar for this release, every book, game accessory, and piece of terrain..... but not at that cost.
The uh... cost to enjoyment or return value on money invested has waved "bye bye" long ago for me on most GW items.
That's the thing. I own a bunch of stuff already. I'll only play Apoc once or twice a year. Meaning I'd be down to buy some crazy stuff but not at those prices. I only need so many sentinels, leman russes, basic space marines, and so on.
They even took the transports out of the company box set. Probably didn't want the cost to clear 1k for it.....
angel of ecstasy wrote: I think this release is the biggest joke GW has ever pulled. Especially the "The Siege of the Angel's Redoubt" bundle. Who is going to buy that?
I considered for a second to get a dice cube or two. I figured they'd have a nice resell value once time has passed. But then I thought "eh".
Obviously you missed the $1200 Deathwing and the $1000 company that came.out with the last Apocalypse release.
Don't be so short-sighted, 40k existed probably before you.
They have a formation for the Fortress of Arrogance, so it looks like they're keeping in units that they don't make explicit models for, as long as it's a fairly simple conversion off of the main kit. They also have shots of a Reaver titan, so FW stuff should be in. I was a little concerned that they might push FW models to only having rules in FW books.
I did see a model for Fortress of Arrogance just before the website crashed. I think it was $156.00 USD. I clicked on it to see what the extra parts were in the kit, but the site had crashed by then.
NM nothing special just a Banblade kit with Commissar Yarrick added to it and the price correction is $159.25 USD
I think its cool that GW are including 40 K rules in the new scenery boxes but utterly daft (& IMO an outright lie) to say that Apocalypse is a 'new' way of fighting 40K - & I've got the old books to prove it!!
Also just checked the FW site & they've yet to replace the old ApocFAQ / errata
Automatically Appended Next Post: also site still isnt working properly.
pretre wrote: Prices can't be too high if the preordering is breaking their site. Lol
Did you really just say that?
Also, you have no way to determine if the traffic crushing their site is from pre-orders or window shoppers checking things out. I'm betting more lookers than buyers.
I have no doubt they will sell out of their "limited" stuff. Even more so, as they drive the entire world to the one place you can get it.
Is it still considered "limited" if you create your own shortage of stock?
It's limited because they made a limited, finite supply of them, and they are the only place that has them. I don't see what's so hard to understand there.
Also, based on some preliminary numbers I've seen, they are getting PLENTY of buyers, not just viewers.
Hulksmash wrote:That's the thing. I own a bunch of stuff already. I'll only play Apoc once or twice a year. Meaning I'd be down to buy some crazy stuff but not at those prices. I only need so many sentinels, leman russes, basic space marines, and so on.
They even took the transports out of the company box set. Probably didn't want the cost to clear 1k for it.....
Not everybody owns a bunch of stuff already. And if you do, GREAT! That means you don't have to buy anything. As to the once or twice a year comment: that will likely change if this format receives continued support. It'll be worth playing more often. Much like Commander/EDH for Magic: the Gathering, it started as a cute side option, and is now a mainstay of the game. Despite being a larger, more expensive format, it's become wildly popular, and people are buying new cards even if they already have a bunch of stuff.
What did you want them to do? Release a pamphlet and no bundles? You'd be in the slim minority there.
Turns out I already own: The Black Rage, Lucifer Armored Task Force, Wings of Sanguinius, Legionnaire Warband, Deathwing Redemption Force, Cloudstrike Squadron, Farseer Council, The Phoenix Court of Khaine, Dreadknight Brethren, Extermination Force, Baneblade, All the SM Formations (except the new Chapter Masters and about 30 Scouts), and a Stormlord even though it's not listed.
So I'm good to go if I ever paint it all and find someone to game with.
Very happy to see that the Stompa hasn't gone up in price, and I may go for a baneblade at the new price just for the ridiculous amount of spare Bitz I'll get if I make it into a skullhamma
Also, it appears that there are no formation bundles on the UK site, is anyone else seeing any?
So I can buy 10 leman russ in a bundle for $495 or I can buy them individually for $49.50. So no saving at all.
Or I can buy them from an online store for 20% off in most cases.
What is the point of a bundle 'deal' then? Are there strange people out there buying these things instead of just ordering them from an indy store, for cheaper?
Think I might buy a bunch of Macadors from FW rather than Baneblades in future.
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Goliath wrote: Very happy to see that the Stompa hasn't gone up in price, and I may go for a baneblade at the new price just for the ridiculous amount of spare Bitz I'll get if I make it into a skullhamma
Also, it appears that there are no formation bundles on the UK site, is anyone else seeing any?
They're under the Apoc tab not pre-orders or 40k armies
I like how they are selling the 'Fortress of Arrogance' that was a converted Baneblade from last Apoc Ed. and now it's just a more expensive box with a $20 comissar yarrick figure.
Oh and confirms that discounted bundles are 100% DEAD. No more Christmas megaforces :(
I have to laugh at the video of the collectors edition where Jes Bickham is talking about the "exclusive" battle ruleset in the collector's edition and has to stop to say "It is exclusive....currently" and "This will be the only place you can get this....for quite a while" over and over.
1) If you're a non-gamer parent/spouse/etc you probably don't know about online discounters or want to order the models individually and risk getting the wrong thing. This probably makes more sense when we aren't talking about a $500-1000 bundle, but I can see them getting enough sales from less-informed customers to justify spending a few minutes setting it up.
2) Time is money. Depending on your average hourly wage and whether you'd order direct from GW or spend even more time ordering from a discount seller you might even save a whole dollar by not having to click "add to cart" on all those different items.
Two quad icarus lascannon? 96" range, presumably H2 TL w Int & Skyfire. (Based off of BrB P114)
Do you honestly think they will be accepted?
Cheers
Andrew
Yes. why not. Depending on price of course. But I think, ability to kill that overpowwered, underpricced Helldrake is act of restoring balance to game, not breaking it ;-)
