Belthanos wrote:
D) abilities allowing moving will be golden.

The hallmark of a good system, imho!

It's been interesting to see the general praise both the core game and spearhead have been getting. Quite a nice change really.

We're having a small Spearhead event tonight, will report back.

Will be nice to hear.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We're having a small Spearhead event tonight, will report back.

Will Gitz be there? I am interested how their box is performing.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
We're having a small Spearhead event tonight, will report back.

Will Gitz be there? I am interested how their box is performing.

Yes I will be on Gitz

Skaven are winning so far https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/19/the-slaughter-at-hel-crown-the-first-results-are-in/

Do you think that's a shock, or is it what you expected?

 Dysartes wrote:
Do you think that's a shock, or is it what you expected?

Expected, as Skaven were mostly an ancient range, and Stormcast are not SM in their popularity.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Do you think that's a shock, or is it what you expected?

Expected, as Skaven were mostly an ancient range, and Stormcast are not SM in their popularity.

Weirdly, despite having actual plot armor, Stormcast don't get the same plot armor treatment that Marines enjoy. I also wonder if the Skaven are enjoying the same effect Order did during the Strom of Chaos, and everyone's just piling on against the good guys.

Space Marines are the result of the market taking up the lead of popularity and GW following. Stormcast were the opposite, kind of trying to copy the marketing but the community didn't follow the lead.


Marines are not something you can easily create even with the right marketing behind them. They are a unique enigma in the market almost.

It also helps that Marines have 40odd years behind them - stormcast are still newbies. They also had a TERRIBLE launch into the market which for many means that AoS didn't really start until 2nd edition. So its such a new game.

stormcast are no space marines, but i don't think that means they're as unpopular as people like to make them out to be, either. don't forget, tyranids beat space marines when 40k did this same campaign last year

They're still up there, if not the most popular army in the game.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
stormcast are no space marines, but i don't think that means they're as unpopular as people like to make them out to be, either. don't forget, tyranids beat space marines when 40k did this same campaign last year

Oh true SC are not hated save for them taking a lions share of release slots. And honestly with this last round I don't think many others even feel jealous since SC lost a bunch of honestly very good models after only 3 years very recently. Everyone expected Skaven to lose things, but no one expected SC to lose models. Even if some are replaced its still a bit of a shock.

Imagine if next 40k edition they said, Blood Angels will be removed.

They could have a plan for the beastmen and savage orcs outside AoS but sacrosanct are pretty much gone.

It's all good their game their toys I guess.

This does not stop me from having loads of fun with my minis, its just really poor excuses and poor form to dispose 3years models like this, and expect that I will go back for more.

To be fair of all of the Skaventide box I only marginally like exactly 1 model and even that one will not be on my to buy list. So yeah you can burn bridges but that will only affect someone who actually wants to go to the other side.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Do you think that's a shock, or is it what you expected?

Expected, as Skaven were mostly an ancient range, and Stormcast are not SM in their popularity.

Well even Space Marines aren't Space Marines, since Space Marines lost an identical campaign last year.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Do you think that's a shock, or is it what you expected?

Expected, as Skaven were mostly an ancient range, and Stormcast are not SM in their popularity.

Well even Space Marines aren't Space Marines, since Space Marines lost an identical campaign last year.

I'm fairly certain even many Marine players wanted to see what was coming for Tyranids before their inevitable releases that would be mostly new versions of discontinued models. Would be very surprised if that wasn't the case here, too.

Spearhead first impressions

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Will be nice to hear.

Someone ran late, so there were only 3 games.

I played Gitz vs Maggotkin, great game, spent most of it about 2 VP behind and farmed underdog bonuses all 4 rounds, in the last round I had a cunning plan that would slingshot me 1 VP over what my opponent could achieve but I forgot it half way and moved a unit off a wall into an unnecessary melee, which resulted in me losing 19 to 20 VP. So a tense game throughout, very dynamic, between my fast squigs and Nurgle deep striking half his stuff, literally each of the 5 objectives swapped hands at least once. The positioning game that Light of the Bad Moon forces on the Gitz player is also much more enjoyable on the smaller table.

Other table saw two games of Stormcast vs Cities, which I couldn't watch but they ended 1 : 1 and were also happy. We are all excited to play both game modes.

10/10 with caveats (like, you just have to accept the abstract scoring of standing in circles, but the mechanics of it are done really well)

Well you're not one to exactly pull your punches if you don't like something, so that's all very positive to hear.

Might pick up the Sons of Behemat 3 Mancrusher Gargant box at my local shop and do the Wallsmasher Stomp for Spearhead.

Which might be related to having a ton of fun with painting a Warstomper Mega-Gargant this week… must resist.

My hoarder FLGS manager did not disappoint, he still had a Trugg's Great Troggherd battalion, so that was an easy 700 points of really good Gitz units with a deep discount. 2000 pts game soon...

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Skaven are winning so far https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/19/the-slaughter-at-hel-crown-the-first-results-are-in/

Good for all the Skaven fans who've been waiting for their due model overhaul, if the trend continues.

Personally I'm looking forward to the Sigmarines, though.

 Geifer wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Skaven are winning so far https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/19/the-slaughter-at-hel-crown-the-first-results-are-in/

Good for all the Skaven fans who've been waiting for their due model overhaul, if the trend continues.

Personally I'm looking forward to the Sigmarines, though.

Not that it matters much. You get to see them 1st. Nice. Doesn't get either way them to your hands faster

Which is why I'm amused when people say gw fakes result. What does gw scare do they show video A or B 1st.

Now if prize was "winner gets army released 1st" gw would have vested interest in faking result.

Starter sets and paraphenalia next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/21/sunday-preview-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-starter-sets-arrive/

Ninjad

I'm getting a "site has redirected you too many times" error - what's actually in the preview?

It's the 3 starter sets and the paint sets.

Ah, can see the page now...

Okay, not feeling the edition but that cover art for the Magazine is saturday-morning-anime awesome...

Stormcasts: "By the power of Sigmar we will ROCK YOU!!!"

Skaven: "Grrrrrr! Clanrats - SSSSSSSTOP TTTTTHEM!!!"

...and those two models are at least going to be a diorama.

I'm just curious to see the clipper-free sprues on the Intro set and magazine.

And next edition they'll make them assemble-free...

 Prometheum5 wrote:
I'm just curious to see the clipper-free sprues on the Intro set and magazine.

Probably the style of the Space Marine Heroes kits.

Maybe! Those are made by a different factory, but there's certainly plenty of other examples of Japanese plamo kits designed for beginners with easy sprue connections. Curious to see if GW has learned from that for their production, or if those sprues will be different.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Maybe! Those are made by a different factory, but there's certainly plenty of other examples of Japanese plamo kits designed for beginners with easy sprue connections. Curious to see if GW has learned from that for their production, or if those sprues will be different.

Some of the event models have been using them as does Lt. Titus from the Space Marine tie in board game.

SamusDrake wrote:
And next edition they'll make them assemble-free...

and for an intro set, that's fine. it's the kind of thing that's only ever going to be a player's first purchase, so i don't think it's wrong to make it easy

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Maybe! Those are made by a different factory, but there's certainly plenty of other examples of Japanese plamo kits designed for beginners with easy sprue connections. Curious to see if GW has learned from that for their production, or if those sprues will be different.

Some of the event models have been using them as does Lt. Titus from the Space Marine tie in board game.

Huh, I did not catch that when I built Titus

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
And next edition they'll make them assemble-free...

and for an intro set, that's fine. it's the kind of thing that's only ever going to be a player's first purchase, so i don't think it's wrong to make it easy

Lets not forget back in the "golden days" a lot of metal models were almost just like that; they'd stick onto the slot base and that was about all you had to do. You might have one arm or a plastic shield to glue on.


That said honestly I think that with all GW pushes "the hobby" and with their glues, tools and paint; I don't think they'll ever quite push for going beyond push-fit models. Not only is one-part models far more limiting with plastics in terms of pose and design work; but it also eats into "the hobby" marketing that GW does.
On one front there's bringing down barriers of entry, on the other there's maintaining the core focus of your product.



As you say for a one-off intro set its not a bad thing, but on the other hand I think that assembling the model IS a big part of that welcome into the hobby itself. Putting together your first model is, I think, a core memory of many getting started in this hobby. There's a sense of achievement in just doing that and heck many people engage with the hobby purely as a built and paint activity. Push-fit makes that process a lot easier and quicker, but its still an assembly phase, you still get that "you did a thing" when just putting the models together. Plus it sets you up for the idea that every other model you get is going to be something you have to assemble.

 Overread wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
And next edition they'll make them assemble-free...

and for an intro set, that's fine. it's the kind of thing that's only ever going to be a player's first purchase, so i don't think it's wrong to make it easy

Lets not forget back in the "golden days" a lot of metal models were almost just like that; they'd stick onto the slot base and that was about all you had to do. You might have one arm or a plastic shield to glue on.


That said honestly I think that with all GW pushes "the hobby" and with their glues, tools and paint; I don't think they'll ever quite push for going beyond push-fit models. Not only is one-part models far more limiting with plastics in terms of pose and design work; but it also eats into "the hobby" marketing that GW does.
On one front there's bringing down barriers of entry, on the other there's maintaining the core focus of your product.



As you say for a one-off intro set its not a bad thing, but on the other hand I think that assembling the model IS a big part of that welcome into the hobby itself. Putting together your first model is, I think, a core memory of many getting started in this hobby. There's a sense of achievement in just doing that and heck many people engage with the hobby purely as a built and paint activity. Push-fit makes that process a lot easier and quicker, but its still an assembly phase, you still get that "you did a thing" when just putting the models together. Plus it sets you up for the idea that every other model you get is going to be something you have to assemble.

yeah, that's all very true. i'm one of the apparently rare people who actually enjoys assembling models, so i think there's a lot of benefit to having them still be push-fit. there's also a certain sense of joy in assembling your first model. i was looking through pictures on my phone a few days and stumbled across a picture of the three necron warrior models from the paint kit— even just assembling felt worth a picture at the start

I love kitbashing and scratch building, it's my favorite part of the hobby, that's why I spend most of my time in the blanchitsu/28 parts of it.

But building a stock model that only goes together one way anyway is just a chore, those might as well come prebuilt.

I'm doing Trugg right now, and there's no value added to it for having been built by me. I need him for AoS but there's no creativity involved in this.

Yeah, I like to build models but I want to have at least a choice of different heads and arms. That is why models like Fireforge Living Dead for example are so great - just by giving a different head to my zombie I can achieve a different look of it where models like for example latest Skaven have no or very limited variety in that aspect (different heads just for leaders?).

I played a game of Spearhead on launch day, and then last weekend wen to visit some old budies and played a game each with two of them. Both left the game listing what models they needed to buy to finish a legal spearhead!

I'm mostly a 40k guy, I have played zero games of AOS proper. I liked Warcry, but moved and lost my group. Spearhead is now probably my favorite game from a play perspective. It's fast, it locks in choices that don't matter while allowing choices that do, and still feels like a proper unit based game while cutting out stuff that wouldn't work at that scale. The battle deck is the mechanic that really lets the game sing.

While I'm not opposed to trying to full scale game, I'm just not sure I'd really have more fun playing one 2000 point game than two games of spearhead with time to spare.

 Polonius wrote:
While I'm not opposed to trying to full scale game, I'm just not sure I'd really have more fun playing one 2000 point game than two games of spearhead with time to spare.

There's list building, obviously, but it's possible 3-4 different Spearheads are gonna be more satisfying for the same money than one full army even from a variety standpoint.

 Polonius wrote:
I played a game of Spearhead on launch day, and then last weekend wen to visit some old budies and played a game each with two of them. Both left the game listing what models they needed to buy to finish a legal spearhead!

I'm mostly a 40k guy, I have played zero games of AOS proper. I liked Warcry, but moved and lost my group. Spearhead is now probably my favorite game from a play perspective. It's fast, it locks in choices that don't matter while allowing choices that do, and still feels like a proper unit based game while cutting out stuff that wouldn't work at that scale. The battle deck is the mechanic that really lets the game sing.

While I'm not opposed to trying to full scale game, I'm just not sure I'd really have more fun playing one 2000 point game than two games of spearhead with time to spare.

I agree with this completely. Especially as they publish additional Spearhead forces.

I've managed to get a couple more spearhead games in and i agree it's great. Probably one of the best little rulesets they've put out for a long time. But i still do enjoy a good afternoon of one soild big battle. Both are going to have their place as long as Spearhead doesn't suffer from being ignored going forwards.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I agree with this completely. Especially as they publish additional Spearhead forces.

As the resident cynic, this is my fear, more than being ignored I worry they'll succumb to pressure for more content and/or desire to push WD sales and give us some phoned-in untested new rosters.

I really wish any new material would come in the shape of a full new box (new board, cards and sprue for two new realms) and a book with a new roster for each faction that also went through the trial of a lengthy studio league, and not sooner than next year.

I do wish there was another Spearhead or so per faction and hope we see more added with decent frequency. Even with just the Skaventide box, I got a bunch of cool new models but if I want to focus on Spearhead I don't get to use quite a few of the new Skaven friends. I get that the second Skaven force is covering the previous Vanguard box, but I'd love to have seen a force that uses the Rattling Blaster war machine and/or the Jezzys as well.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
While I'm not opposed to trying to full scale game, I'm just not sure I'd really have more fun playing one 2000 point game than two games of spearhead with time to spare.

There's list building, obviously, but it's possible 3-4 different Spearheads are gonna be more satisfying for the same money than one full army even from a variety standpoint.

And the spearheads seem to play wildly different. I've played Tzeentch against Night Haunts, OBRs, and Kruleboys, and they all played very differently. I can't even imagine what Gargants or Sky Dwarfs play like!

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:


and for an intro set, that's fine. it's the kind of thing that's only ever going to be a player's first purchase, so i don't think it's wrong to make it easy

Hey, I'm all for it. One of the reasons I love games like Castle Ravenloft is that the models are straight out of the box and you're playing the game, instead of spending an evening or two with clippers and a stanley knife.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I agree with this completely. Especially as they publish additional Spearhead forces.

As the resident cynic, this is my fear, more than being ignored I worry they'll succumb to pressure for more content and/or desire to push WD sales and give us some phoned-in untested new rosters.

I really wish any new material would come in the shape of a full new box (new board, cards and sprue for two new realms) and a book with a new roster for each faction that also went through the trial of a lengthy studio league, and not sooner than next year.

The flip side is the current Vanguard boxes presumably weren't made with Spearhead in mind (though I guess there's a small chance they were?) so they're having to balance purely with rules, with a fixed set of units. Future Spearhead content, boxed or otherwise, will have more flexibility in what actually goes in it.

Though with fixed price the # of cash units have is roughly same either way. Along with other standard things boxes tend to tick not going to wildly differ.

Especially now that big models are largely being removed


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Initial tournament results in btw. Nighthaunt, lumineth, soulblight and tzeentch top dogs. Not surprised ghosts up. When ghost groups didn't explode in whines when they were previewed went "uh oh" already lol. High mobility always good along with plenty bodies that ignore rend

Kruleboyz and khorne at bottom. That was bit of surprise. With mobility tricks would have expected better. For khorne o how mighty have fallen.

I was planning to main Nighthaunt, but after these results I might as well wait for the nerf bat before buying anything. Luckily Gitz are in the healthy middle. I'm surprised Nurgle isn't dead last, and I don't think any tier list predicted Kruleboyz to suck so bad.

Bit premature to be saying this sucks/OP based on such early results, isn't it?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Bit premature to be saying this sucks/OP based on such early results, isn't it?

Yes. It's at this stage that good players who learn the in and outs of the new edition quickly will win almost regardless of the faction they play. Many of the most powerful abilities like counter charge are universal and a player who doesn't know how to utilise them and counter them will lose against a player who does even if they are running a stronger list.
There's also the production meta to consider. The strongest Kruleboyz unit is very different than it was last edition. The same is true for Khorne.

I personally thought Kruleboyz looked a little squishy for their points costs from the beginning, mobility tricks be damned. 170 for 10 Gutrippaz is a bit too much (last edition they were 150). And that's just one example.

I'd like to give people a chance to actually learn to play them this edition first before passing any judgement just yet.

Possibly new SCE Reclusians in the diorama video that was posted to Warhammer Community. At 1:45 shows what looks to be a Reclusian with a 2 handed axe.

Could be a conversion, as I haven't assembled anything from the Skaventide box yet and aren't familiar with their sculpts.

Have a picture, definitely looks like proper multi-parts to me. Also a possible rat ogor multi on the left too

Rats still winning https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/26/the-slaughter-for-hel-crown-intensifies-heres-how-the-battle-progresses/

Outside the city, the battle is almost too close to call,

you sure about that?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Have a picture, definitely looks like proper multi-parts to me. Also a possible rat ogor multi on the left too

Definitely, Skaventide doesn't have one with two tiny right arms ending in a blade each.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Have a picture, definitely looks like proper multi-parts to me. Also a possible rat ogor multi on the left too

Very likely just a conversion.

Here's a closer look at that guy:


And his body and specifically the lower body decorations look like an exact match to the Reclusian Prime:

Pre-orders https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/27/saturday-pre-orders-the-ultimate-start-to-the-age-of-sigmar/

 Matrindur wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Have a picture, definitely looks like proper multi-parts to me. Also a possible rat ogor multi on the left too

Very likely just a conversion.

Here's a closer look at that guy:

Spoiler:

And his body and specifically the lower body decorations look like an exact match to the Reclusian Prime:

Spoiler:

It's quite a hefty conversion if it is, but i still hold out hope for multi's like the Annihilators got.

Free narrative supplement https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/30/experience-the-assault-on-hels-claw-in-this-free-narrative-supplement/

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Free narrative supplement https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/30/experience-the-assault-on-hels-claw-in-this-free-narrative-supplement/

It's been available since launch.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Free narrative supplement https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/30/experience-the-assault-on-hels-claw-in-this-free-narrative-supplement/

It's been available since launch.

Wasn't aware of that until today's WarCom post.

I actually missed this, so appreciate it.

Nice pdf, which apparently most of us weren't aware of? Hmmm.

Its a shame they haven't provided rules to use the Knight Questor in Warhammer Quest: Cursed City.

Come to think of it, Ulfenkarn would be ideal for a Skaven incursion...

Rats are unbeatable, yes, yes https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/02/the-battle-for-hel-crown-is-nearly-over-but-the-fighting-is-at-its-fiercest/

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Rats are unbeatable, yes, yes https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/02/the-battle-for-hel-crown-is-nearly-over-but-the-fighting-is-at-its-fiercest/

How is shooting in this edition? I know the skaven have some firepower and the gloomcast none. Just curious, as a non-player myself.

 Fayric wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Rats are unbeatable, yes, yes https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/02/the-battle-for-hel-crown-is-nearly-over-but-the-fighting-is-at-its-fiercest/

How is shooting in this edition? I know the skaven have some firepower and the gloomcast none. Just curious, as a non-player myself.

Have yet to play any game myself so no idea about it.

It's okay.

Do remember that Stormcast are extremely disliked, so no matter what they were going to lose.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Do remember that Stormcast are extremely disliked.

Being called Sigmarines does not mean they are hated

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's okay.

Do remember that Stormcast are extremely disliked, so no matter what they were going to lose.

I'm not convinced these aren't just rigged by GW anyway. For the last 40k one everyone acted surprised when the Tyranids won, but GW had already announced that they were the ones coming out first, so to me, surprise, surprise, they get to get previewed first was well, on the level of Capt Renault getting surprised with the gambling going on in Rick's Cafe.

Eh I can honestly believe this one isn't rigged.

Skaven were always going to win this boxed set on popularity. First up they've not had an update in a big way in ages for most of their army (and the one big update they did have in the past was tied to a starter boxed set for a game that tied and that set was only accessible secondhand).

So Skaven already hit the ground running with a super interesting update.


Stormcast got updated, but the only way to do it was to strip a bunch of models, some of which were only 3 years old. Whilst it let GW keep them in the boxed set without bloating their army or making a second stormcast army; I think it just left a sour experience for people seeing an army, many might have just started, get invalidated models so swiftly. Abnormally swiftly for GW for a mainline game.



So I can well see there being more public spark and interest in Skaven and in seeing the Skaven win.

Well locally it's hard to offload the Stormcast models, so I'd believe 2/3 of the player base prefer Skaven.

The next week in Warhammer video from yesterdays article has a little teaser for the reveal show next Saturday:
The first one is obviously just the already revealed Knight-Azyros so no teaser for Stormcast but as its unlikely they will win and be shown off this Saturday thats not surprising.
The second one though is a new Skaven character we haven't seen before

Unusual looking everything for a ratboy.

So the new notQueek model?

I'm not really sure what it is. The sword looks huge and very odd for a rat. And i've no clue if those arches on the back are shoulder pads or something to do with the back banner.

my first thought when i saw it was something orky. maybe an ironjaw

No, this is specifically for the winning faction, so it has to be a rat.

oh! missed that

yeah okay that's weird. curious to see what it is. maybe a new clawlord

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'm not really sure what it is. The sword looks huge and very odd for a rat. And i've no clue if those arches on the back are shoulder pads or something to do with the back banner.

The arches are probably shoulder pads. They're not aligned with the toothy banner bit, which suggests they're further forward than the banner.

To me it looks like a boss rat on tactical rock with a pet (giant rat?) in front of it. Maybe even an Eshin boss because that looks like the kind of weapon a rat with an appreciation for blades would have.

Good shout about the pet rat. Can see the head and tail now. The sword still looks weird to me.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Good shout about the pet rat. Can see the head and tail now. The sword still looks weird to me.

Eh, the sword doesn't look any larger or more un-Skavenlike than the ones wielded by the dual wielding metal lord released alongside Isle of Blood.

Reincarnation of Headtaker or not, it is a Skaven named Warlord. Pet giant rat is a nice addition.

That's, uh, that's Goreshade.

I don't recognise that name?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't recognise that name?

It's a reference to a Warmachine character, Goreshade the Bastard.

Ah i see, and yeah i can see some similarities there.

The sword looks like a twisted can-opener -good to have against stormcast.

Times for the upcoming AoS preview:

Horned Rat will be very pleased!

How long did the tyranid one last? Just trying to guess the amount of new stuff they'll show.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
How long did the tyranid one last? Just trying to guess the amount of new stuff they'll show.

Eh its really hard to say - don't forget Tyranids were honestly not in a bad position model wise and didn't need loads of updates or new stuff. Skaven don't nessessarily need new things but they've a LOT of old kits in need of a refresh. So it could be GW does more for them.

Well it's basically all infantry and characters. So, Stormvermin and a number of characters/named characters?

All the weapon teams are missing from the website, and Thanquol is now listed as Sold Out. Plus there's the possibility of new Globadiers, giant rats, rat swarms...

There are a lot of possibilities.

Thanquol's probably just getting a reboxing. I don't imagine anything big in plastic is getting a redo, especially as they've got a new rat giant.

Yeah his model came out with the End Times.

Then again GW did just retire a bunch of 3 year old Stormcast models......

The contest TOC spoil that 5 prize pools of either all Skaven or all SCE releases for the next year come to a maximum of £4500GBP

SCE are probably the beefier half, so £900 is one of each SCE release, Skaven are somewhere south of that but probably not too far south, it would be pretty sour if picking Skaven meant a significantly smaller prize.

Didn't see this mentioned, but the Skaventide novel may give some pointers for new Skaven models: 'Ratwings' (big flying rats that Prosecutors some hassle), a return of slaves (but seem to be sewn together/mutated wretches), and Eshin-style rats that can hide in really small shadows and have long chained whips.

MongooseMatt wrote:
Didn't see this mentioned, but the Skaventide novel may give some pointers for new Skaven models: 'Ratwings' (big flying rats that Prosecutors some hassle), a return of slaves (but seem to be sewn together/mutated wretches), and Eshin-style rats that can hide in really small shadows and have long chained whips.

Unfortunately it seems that GW just gave the writer a bit of creative freedom. What's coming is actually pretty well known.
There will be a new verminlord called Vizzik Skour, the new hero from the silhouette who is called Krittock Foulblade, new stormvermin, new weapon teams, a new arch warlock as well as the leaked warlock, new globadiers/Skryre acolytes, new wolf rats and the monster we've already seen. Nothing for Eshin or Pestilens it seems though they may get something via Warcry. Included the Skaventide stuff that's 16 new kits this edition which feels like a pretty sizeable refresh.

Most of this was leaked a couple of months ago by the same person who leaked blurry photos of the minis from Skaventide so it's likely to be true.

Which one was the leaked warlock? I don't remember that.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Which one was the leaked warlock? I don't remember that.

It was this one. I think the weapon is called warplock obliviators or something like that.

MongooseMatt wrote:
Didn't see this mentioned, but the Skaventide novel may give some pointers for new Skaven models: 'Ratwings' (big flying rats that Prosecutors some hassle), a return of slaves (but seem to be sewn together/mutated wretches), and Eshin-style rats that can hide in really small shadows and have long chained whips.

As noted its hard when reading books because they can often be made based on pre-release info for models that might not end up being developed and also because writers can have some leeway to adding their own ideas that fit the theme and idea of armies. So you will encounter things that just never end up being a model; or which people latch onto and GW goes "Ok cool people like that lets make it a model one day."

Chikout wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:
Didn't see this mentioned, but the Skaventide novel may give some pointers for new Skaven models: 'Ratwings' (big flying rats that Prosecutors some hassle), a return of slaves (but seem to be sewn together/mutated wretches), and Eshin-style rats that can hide in really small shadows and have long chained whips.

Unfortunately it seems that GW just gave the writer a bit of creative freedom. What's coming is actually pretty well known.
There will be a new verminlord called Vizzik Skour, the new hero from the silhouette who is called Krittock Foulblade, new stormvermin, new weapon teams, a new arch warlock as well as the leaked warlock, new globadiers/Skryre acolytes, new wolf rats and the monster we've already seen. Nothing for Eshin or Pestilens it seems though they may get something via Warcry. Included the Skaventide stuff that's 16 new kits this edition which feels like a pretty sizeable refresh.

Most of this was leaked a couple of months ago by the same person who leaked blurry photos of the minis from Skaventide so it's likely to be true.

Do you have a link to this?

 stahly wrote:

Chikout wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:
Didn't see this mentioned, but the Skaventide novel may give some pointers for new Skaven models: 'Ratwings' (big flying rats that Prosecutors some hassle), a return of slaves (but seem to be sewn together/mutated wretches), and Eshin-style rats that can hide in really small shadows and have long chained whips.

Unfortunately it seems that GW just gave the writer a bit of creative freedom. What's coming is actually pretty well known.
There will be a new verminlord called Vizzik Skour, the new hero from the silhouette who is called Krittock Foulblade, new stormvermin, new weapon teams, a new arch warlock as well as the leaked warlock, new globadiers/Skryre acolytes, new wolf rats and the monster we've already seen. Nothing for Eshin or Pestilens it seems though they may get something via Warcry. Included the Skaventide stuff that's 16 new kits this edition which feels like a pretty sizeable refresh.

Most of this was leaked a couple of months ago by the same person who leaked blurry photos of the minis from Skaventide so it's likely to be true.

Do you have a link to this?

It's from a variety of posts over on TGA.

Chikout wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Which one was the leaked warlock? I don't remember that.

It was this one. I think the weapon is called warplock obliviators or something like that.

Huh, must have missed him. He looks neat.

MongooseMatt wrote:
'Ratwings' (big flying rats that Prosecutors some hassle),

Ratwings were in the second Iron Dragons book back in 2020. I doubt anything will come of it.

Actually a flying creature is something Skaven lack entirely model wise so I could see them happening one day.

It's more likely than "skaven sky pirates" as a whole army theme being developed; which was another thing shown off in a book a while back*




*at least fairly sure rats feature in one, I know skygobboes were another

 Overread wrote:
Actually a flying creature is something Skaven lack entirely model wise so I could see them happening one day.

It's more likely than "skaven sky pirates" as a whole army theme being developed; which was another thing shown off in a book a while back*




*at least fairly sure rats feature in one, I know skygobboes were another

Sky Rats was Profit's Ruin, the book I mentioned, Sky Gobbos are in a scene in the first book in the series. The Ratwings in Profit's Ruin were Skaven strapped into harnesses attached to an engine and wings rather than an actual flying creature.

Honestly one boon of skaven is they can do it both ways -a biological nightmare or a skaven strapped to some crazed warpstone driven engine

 Overread wrote:
Honestly one boon of skaven is they can do it both ways -a biological nightmare or a skaven strapped to some crazed warpstone driven engine

Or even both; a Skaven crudely implanted into a crazed biomechanical horror fuelled by warpstone and spite.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Honestly one boon of skaven is they can do it both ways -a biological nightmare or a skaven strapped to some crazed warpstone driven engine

Or even both; a Skaven crudely implanted into a crazed biomechanical horror fuelled by warpstone and spite.

They're called Stormfiends.

 stahly wrote:

Chikout wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:
Didn't see this mentioned, but the Skaventide novel may give some pointers for new Skaven models: 'Ratwings' (big flying rats that Prosecutors some hassle), a return of slaves (but seem to be sewn together/mutated wretches), and Eshin-style rats that can hide in really small shadows and have long chained whips.

Unfortunately it seems that GW just gave the writer a bit of creative freedom. What's coming is actually pretty well known.
There will be a new verminlord called Vizzik Skour, the new hero from the silhouette who is called Krittock Foulblade, new stormvermin, new weapon teams, a new arch warlock as well as the leaked warlock, new globadiers/Skryre acolytes, new wolf rats and the monster we've already seen. Nothing for Eshin or Pestilens it seems though they may get something via Warcry. Included the Skaventide stuff that's 16 new kits this edition which feels like a pretty sizeable refresh.

Most of this was leaked a couple of months ago by the same person who leaked blurry photos of the minis from Skaventide so it's likely to be true.

Do you have a link to this?

This list should have everything that is still expected:

Wow! That's actually a lot more than I still expected to see.

Of course, we'll see what actually comes to pass on Saturday.

Do people think Skaventide is likely to be around for a while, or sell out soon? Roughly on a scale of 0 (Sold out before it's even gone 10am) to 10 (Dominion)

Skaventide's consistently selling now for under $200 US on ebay, I think there's plenty around.

 Shooter wrote:
Do people think Skaventide is likely to be around for a while, or sell out soon? Roughly on a scale of 0 (Sold out before it's even gone 10am) to 10 (Dominion)

I think it will be around for a while but it will sell out eventually. It also depends on where you are. It's selling very well here in Japan where the Japanese version sold out in two days, pretty well in the UK, decently in America but not well at all in Italy and Germany. As an example Alchemist workshops had a hundred copies left a couple of weeks ago but has now sold out so it's still selling. If the Skaven and Stormcast reveals are great and everyone wants to collect those armies, it will probably sell a bit faster.
The GW store will sell out last as everyone wants a discount. Their token offer expires on Halloween so it's possible they'll stop selling it then. I'd put it at about a 6 on the Cursed City to Dominion scale.

In Japan? Really? That's interesting, i didn't think wargaming had much of a foothold there. Especially GW's hyper expensive stuff.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
In Japan? Really? That's interesting, i didn't think wargaming had much of a foothold there. Especially GW's hyper expensive stuff.

In their recent financial report they said Asia was one of the their fastest growing regions. They've definitely been opening quite a few new stores recently including a Warhammer cafe in Tokyo.

Japan has a huge scale modelling community, Gundam, Tamiya, all from Japan. Plus a huge potential otaku audience. Tokyo has multiple Warhammer stores, and the flagship store in Akihabara is huge, about the size of the Warhammer World shopping area.

yeah it's not a surprise to learn that warhammer is big in Japan, especially since there aren't any major model properties that fill the same niche. gundam is bigger and painting is an optional step, and the final result has a very different feel

Oh i was aware of the scale modelling, Gundams and such is huge over there. I just didn't think there was much of a crossover for the gaming side of things.

AoS in particular appeals to Japanese/asian audiences, over the top western mythic "gonzo fantasy" is big in Asia. Stormcast (especially the more modern 3rd/4th style) are a very approachable aesthetic for Japanese and Chinese audiences.

The game also works well on smaller tables which is relevant to the space constraints typical of many Asian cities.

Also also, the Akihabara warhammer Cafe has a go go curry like right next to it. Good reason to visit.

Warhammer might be increasingly popular in Tokyo (which, IIRC, is where all the GW shops are), but I really don't think it's that popular in the rest of the country. In the few places where I've seen it stocked, it is usually ridiculously expensive and seems to be keeping the shelves warm. That said, I have seen the new AoS set advertised in Japanese modelling magazines, so maybe it's gaining traction.

Well, we are of course speaking in relative terms. I don't think anyone is claiming that it's as big as Gundam or anything, just that AoS has a certain level of appeal

 Shooter wrote:
Do people think Skaventide is likely to be around for a while, or sell out soon? Roughly on a scale of 0 (Sold out before it's even gone 10am) to 10 (Dominion)

It's going to be an 11.

Like a "Maybe AoS is a specialty game?" level disaster. Or, "We're moving to two-year editions for 40K!"

In the US, it's still available at GW, with the marker token promos.

The store I like, AZ Gamer's Guild, shows their inventory at 359 units in stock, down from 360 last week. At this rate, it'll sell through in five years or so.

I'd imagine that, given Dominion hung around the entire edition for less than the cost of a mid-level starter kit, they dialed back Skaventide production. The fact that it's moving so slowly is a really bad sign.

I like AoS and think it is home to some of GW's best miniature designs, but it's depressing that such a good-value box is dribbling out of the gate.

Again, discussed as above depends entirely where you are. Leviathan never sold out either, but people don't doompost about that.

I quite enjoy not having to be on the website within 3 minutes of release or miss out.

I, too, like being able to buy discount boxes without having to set up a bot army.

I also enjoy investing in game systems that I feel confident will continue to be supported by their makers and the player base. The slow start of Skaventide, following the Dominion debacle, has me worried about the latter issue!

I hope the game thrives, and the fact that they relaunched Old World gives me hope that they're happy with their fantasy franchise, but as someone who remembers the End Times, I'm a little nervous!

So where's the nervousness for 40K when their boxes don't sell out?

It's a game GW can't win

If the box sells out its a disaster because GW under-estimated the sales volume and didn't satisfy everyone. The game is dead because GW won't invest enough into it to allow it to grow

If the box doesn't sell out its a disaster because GW overproduced and that means the game isn't selling as well as we hope and that means GW might kill it or lower investment.


Both extremes are kind of things we've seen before. The thing is I think people panic too fast - it takes more than 1 box for that to happen and it takes a LOT of other factors and there's the scale of things too. There's a whole lot more sales and info that we need data on that we don't have.



In the end I fully expect skaventide to perhaps not sell out but certainly there wil lbe a peak time where the split sets and halves will be at their market lowest price whilst stock is abundant. Then prices will steadily rise and rise as stock dwindles out more and more and is more in the hands of traders than gamers etc.

As I've said before I expect this to happen for Skaven faster than Stormcast.

I said at the start of this i would have been very surprised if it sells out. It just gets tiring seeing the same doomposting over and over again. As far as i can see, it's done very well in some places, not so in others. As anybody would probably expect.

I do expect however that once the full army reveals for the rats and Stormcast come out, it's going to create a second wind as people want access to those units for cheaper.

Fully agreed.

I expect we'll see a surge in demand that will eat up a bunch of stock when the reveals happen as people grab cheap entries into new armies that they want for the new shiny things.

So I'd fully expect to see places like ebay show a jump in prices over the weekend, esp for skaven stuff as they have their preview first

Honestly I think it's a bigger indictment of TOW than AoS. How dare the supposed legions of Skaven players not buy truckload of Skaventide boxes to build their armies. I was told my the TOW group on Facebook that it's bigger than AoS!

And don't forget, wise men wait for the army book.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Honestly I think it's a bigger indictment of TOW than AoS. How dare the supposed legions of Skaven players not buy truckload of Skaventide boxes to build their armies. I was told my the TOW group on Facebook that it's bigger than AoS!

I'm reminded of something a staffer told me a fair while back in that Skaven were never actually a popular army. They just had a very loud, vocal minority.

That... sounds like a staffer, alright. Pulling whatever they need out of their bumhole to justify themselves in the moment.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Honestly I think it's a bigger indictment of TOW than AoS. How dare the supposed legions of Skaven players not buy truckload of Skaventide boxes to build their armies. I was told my the TOW group on Facebook that it's bigger than AoS!

I'm reminded of something a staffer told me a fair while back in that Skaven were never actually a popular army. They just had a very loud, vocal minority.

The Skaven were one of those armies where you had to absolutely love them to play, because they were absolutely going to blow up in your face. Self-destructing Skaven was a feature, not a bug.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Honestly I think it's a bigger indictment of TOW than AoS. How dare the supposed legions of Skaven players not buy truckload of Skaventide boxes to build their armies. I was told my the TOW group on Facebook that it's bigger than AoS!

I'm reminded of something a staffer told me a fair while back in that Skaven were never actually a popular army. They just had a very loud, vocal minority.

The Skaven were one of those armies where you had to absolutely love them to play, because they were absolutely going to blow up in your face. Self-destructing Skaven was a feature, not a bug.

Well that and painting 500 nigh-identical models.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Honestly I think it's a bigger indictment of TOW than AoS. How dare the supposed legions of Skaven players not buy truckload of Skaventide boxes to build their armies. I was told my the TOW group on Facebook that it's bigger than AoS!

I'm reminded of something a staffer told me a fair while back in that Skaven were never actually a popular army. They just had a very loud, vocal minority.

I mean, with 15 playable armies (I think), in WHFB 8th, even a perfectly balanced distribution of players would mean any faction has quite a small minority as a playerbase. (And gods, isn't the "vocal minority" argument not really tired and boring for something for which we don't have data and anything can be argued?)

I also wouldn't be surprised if many TOW Skaven players (however few or many there are of those these days, especially as a Legacy army with a possibly more uncertain future?) would just pick up the few models they want from eBay instead of getting the full box. Big artillery has no direct equivalent in WHFB (could be used as a warp lightning cannon most easily I suppose), don't think the mounted warlord has any particularly nice proxy option in TOW, and with slaves being dropped in TOW, anyone with an existing Skaven collection may well have too many clanrats already (if that's not complete heresy to suggest ), rather than wanting another 40. Leaves Rogres (great), jezzails (excellent to finally have in plastic), and some characters, of which Grey Seers are certainly less useful to have many of compared to other armies which can have lower level wizards. Oh, and the entire other half of the box is pretty useless if interested in TOW and playing in more of an TOW bubble. So yeah, despite stylistic and scalewise compatibility between the old and new Skaven sculpts, and while I'm sure some players would have gotten the box, I'm not sure if it would be the most attractive box possible for veteran WHFB Skaven players anyway.

one problem with Skaven was that the style of the various units was rather different and with various ages not easy to get a cohesive looking army

add in that the special units you needed were either OOP or metal/finecast

so most existing players already have enough core infantry for 2 armies but miss out on specialist like Ogres and Jezzails, so they are not going to buy 2 core boxes each to get the 6 Jezzails they want and adding another 80 infantry to throw away as no one needs them

much easier to get 3D printed/resin ones that fit the old style models for TOW while in AoS most are going to wait for the army book before they decide if or what they want (and not like the only sales numbers we ever got from GW showed that new model boxes only sell well if combined with a book release)

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Oh, and the entire other half of the box is pretty useless if interested in TOW and playing in more of an TOW bubble.

I could see some small possibility to turn Stormcasts into some Chaos Champions etc., possibly Slaanesh ones, but yeah, it is probably too minor to even consider.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well, we are of course speaking in relative terms. I don't think anyone is claiming that it's as big as Gundam or anything, just that AoS has a certain level of appeal

That's a fair interpretation. AoS's high fantasy is a bit closer to how many Japanese IPs depict western history/mythology than TOW is.

 flaherty wrote:
I also enjoy investing in game systems that I feel confident will continue to be supported by their makers

Supporting, like, for hypothetical example, adding really nice looking, universally praised magic/ranged/cavalry/monster expansion to their failing flagship faction, then squatting it without a word next edition so completely there are zero even remotely close alternatives to count it as, turning said flagship faction back into troglodyte 'walk forward slowly and hit them with a stick' one trick pony that was so unpopular during the first edition?

Just asking for a friend

Are you ready for some ratsomeness? Starting soon...yes, yes!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/10/the-slaughter-at-hel-crown-global-campaign-the-winner-revealed/

Good lord, those are some phenomenal models

Wasn't expecting globadiers, neat.

Doom Flayers are beautiful!

That's a really good selection of models honestly! Surprised as is that new Thanquol?

Otherwise great solid additions to the Skaven army! Weapon teams and more!

Great looking models. Probably my preferred one is Krittok Foulblade. Seems fun to paint. No wolfsrats though :(

Lovely minis too short for a preview could have added something else

link to article with pics
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/10/the-slaughter-at-hel-crown-global-campaign-the-winner-revealed/

Separate release for the boxset contents

On top of all that, certain miniatures will break free of the confines of the Skaventide box set alongside these releases, including the Clawlord on Gnaw-beast, Rat Ogors, Clanrats, and Ratling Warpblaster, alongside Thanquol on Bonreripper and the Plague Pack.

Stormvermin got a worthy upgrade!

Well that was quick and to the point. Can't say it was a bad thing though. Pics as well as the book that wasn't shown.

This is interesting "Alongside the regular hardback edition of this book stuffed with lore and rules you’re used to, there will also be a limited number available in a new format. These are the Gamer’s Editions, designed for players who want all of their rules in one package. The Battletome is a smaller-format softback book that fits in a backpack, and comes with a complete set of reference cards and a cardboard envelope to pack all your essentials."

Seems like ltd edt's have been reworked into something more useful.

Globadier in the middle, throwing a granade is my favourite from the squad.

oh, that arch-warlock is incredible

btw, did anyone get a pic of the stormvermin? they don't seem to be included in the article

Is there a reason Krittok and both of his retainers have such massive seams on their cloaks and robes? Quite egregious gaps to not fill in

I guess it looks like a subassembly that was left off to catch all of the detail underneath first, and then they just

Painted the gaps as details themselves?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
oh, that arch-warlock is incredible

btw, did anyone get a pic of the stormvermin? they don't seem to be included in the article

Warpspark Weapon Battery are also mentioned but without any pics. Maybe they will update the article soon?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
oh, that arch-warlock is incredible

btw, did anyone get a pic of the stormvermin? they don't seem to be included in the article

Your wish is my command:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Warpspark Weapon Battery are also mentioned but without any pics. Maybe they will update the article soon?

They look nice and dynamic

yeah those are cool. wonder how interchangable the arms are going to be

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Is there a reason Krittok and both of his retainers have such massive seams on their cloaks and robes? Quite egregious gaps to not fill in

I guess it looks like a subassembly that was left off to catch all of the detail underneath first, and then they just

Painted the gaps as details themselves?

Yeah, it looks comically bad.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Is there a reason Krittok and both of his retainers have such massive seams on their cloaks and robes? Quite egregious gaps to not fill in

I guess it looks like a subassembly that was left off to catch all of the detail underneath first, and then they just

Painted the gaps as details themselves?

I had the exact same line of thought. Looks quite strange to me.

Most likely just how the models are cut - whilst modern GW does their best at hiding joins and do a generally very good job of it; there are times when it doesn't happen. That said both look like they'd be pretty easy to fix when assembling.

SKR.HH wrote:


Your wish is my command:

Thanks for the pics! Giant rat working as a ''battery'' in Warpsparks is hilarious

Decent enough preview. Quite a lot despite the limited scope.

I don’t think there are any stinkers in this lot. The named warlord guy is probably the weakest imo, but still pretty cool.

 nels1031 wrote:
The named warlord guy is probably the weakest imo

Agreed. He looks like an older model, like he was sculpted a decade before the rest.

Couple of missing pics

The sad thing (yeah, kinda expected) from today's reveal is that there were no updates for Eshin. Would love me some sneaky Nightrunners.

100% Warcry. Screams as the sort of unit that would appear in that.

I dread the Warpspark Weapon Battery profiles with the obvious mandatory mixed weaponry ala Stormfiends. But they look damn nice.

 Overread wrote:
Surprised as is that new Thanquol?

I think it is an old (End of Times era one) model.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
100% Warcry. Screams as the sort of unit that would appear in that.

I'll still hope for one, but the preview does say this is every Skaven release for the next 12 months, so either they're being very technical and there's a hidden asterisk specifying "for Age of Sigmar" that excludes Warcry, or they haven't made one yet (or they have and it just won't be released within the next 12 months)

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
100% Warcry. Screams as the sort of unit that would appear in that.

Well, we got similar bands of Khainite Shadowstalkers for both Underworlds and Warcry, and we got Eshin for Underworlds so it is possible that we might get ones for Warcry too.

Those are all ace! It’s been a long, long wait for AoS Skaven. But they’re here soon and pretty wonderful looking.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I dread the Warpspark Weapon Battery profiles with the obvious mandatory mixed weaponry ala Stormfiends. But they look damn nice.

Once bitten, twice shy, but the one photo available has all three weapon team pairs with all three loadouts in the group shot of 9, with unique versions of each per pair (the ratling guns have different numbers of barrels with different numbers) so I'd be very comfortable saying they're taken in homogeneous units

First one to do a Mad Max type army of Doom Flayers and Doomwheel wins a virtual cookie.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
First one to do a Mad Max type army of Hellflayers and Doomwheel wins a virtual cookie.

That's the plan for these beauties. Would love to see a character on a mechanised wheel to go along.

Dang, now that's a Verminlord. What a massive improvement over the previous set (which never sat right by me). Probably far too big for any of my skirmish-game purposes, but let's see if I can find an excuse.

Stormvermin and Globadiers are ace too. Arch Warlock is pretty excellent as well. Good stuff; a long-awaited but worthy update to the range.

Warhammer Community wrote:Alongside the regular hardback edition of this book stuffed with lore and rules you’re used to, there will also be a limited number available in a new format. These are the Gamer’s Editions, designed for players who want all of their rules in one package. The Battletome is a smaller-format softback book that fits in a backpack, and comes with a complete set of reference cards and a cardboard envelope to pack all your essentials.

Interesting new format, shame they're going for limited edition. Hopefully the price is at least lower than the big hardback.

WarCom updated with images for

Weapons Teams:


and Stormvermin:



The weapon team can all be build with the same weapon so likely no forced mixed units (but still might be possible if you want to)

Also compared to the list of rumours we had before the show:

1) Master Moulder.
2) Arch Warlock.
3) New Warlock (Galvaneer with warpvolt obliterators) (Leaked one).
4) Stormvermin.
5) Weaponteams.
6) Acolyte globadiers
7) New Verminlord (Vizzik Skour).
8 ) Wolfrats.
9) Clawlord on palanquin carried by rat ogors.

Its interesting how nearly everything was perfectly correct (even the name Vizzik Skour) but the the Clawlord on palanquin was wrong and it was Krittok Foulblade instead and no Wolfrats.
I guess the palanquin thing could be explained if there is art in the battletome of Krittok Foulblade on one that they tought would also represent the model but was just artwork after all and the Wolfrats could be somebody only seeing that single model without the rest of the weapon team but still kinda strange.
Maybe things that were modelled but didn't work out, maybe coming at a later point (end of edition campaign, warcry?)

 Matrindur wrote:



Also compared to the list of rumours we had before the show:

1) Master Moulder.
2) Arch Warlock.
3) New Warlock (Galvaneer with warpvolt obliterators) (Leaked one).
4) Stormvermin.
5) Weaponteams.
6) Acolyte globadiers
7) New Verminlord (Vizzik Skour).
8 ) Wolfrats.
9) Clawlord on palanquin carried by rat ogors.

Its interesting how nearly everything was perfectly correct (even the name Vizzik Skour) but the the Clawlord on palanquin was wrong and it was Krittok Foulblade instead and no Wolfrats.
I guess the palanquin thing could be explained if there is art in the battletome of Krittok Foulblade on one that they tought would also represent the model but was just artwork after all and the Wolfrats could be somebody only seeing that single model without the rest of the weapon team but still kinda strange.
Maybe things that were modelled but didn't work out, maybe coming at a later point (end of edition campaign, warcry?)

The palanquin is from the novel and doesn't come from the two original leakers. The list I shared earlier is accurate including the name Krittock Foulblade. The only exception is the wolf rats. It's weird to have one thing stand out from anotherwise accurate list.

Chikout wrote:


The palanquin is from the novel and doesn't come from the two original leakers. The list I shared earlier is accurate including the name Krittock Foulblade. The only exception is the wolf rats. It's weird to have one thing stand out from anotherwise accurate list.

Yeah seems like I grabbed the wrong list

Very nice, very tempting army.



Seriously disturbing levels of body horror in this one. The co-joined twin or implanted rat reloading his gun is very disturbing.

Well done GW!

Stunning release across the board, but really disappointed at the complete lack of Pestilens representation (which is how I would have wanted to build a Skaven army).

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Stunning release across the board, but really disappointed at the complete lack of Pestilens representation (which is how I would have wanted to build a Skaven army).

While this is true I'd say Eshin needs something way more. Yes Plague Monks could really use a new kit but Eshin only have three kits right now of which two are heroes and the other unit is more monkey than rat

 Matrindur wrote:

While this is true I'd say Eshin needs something way more.

It's not a competition mate. Both are in a shoddy spot by virtue of having their only core unit be badly dated

Damn, they really nailed everything in this release, eh?

The only slight miss might be the lack of maille on the Stormvermin, replaced with weird looking overalls, but I guess that's a plastic limitation.

As someone who always wanted a slaven army but was put off by the old sculpts... I still am a little. This is all a little character heavy and it feels like half the army has been left out on the cold. Has any of the eshin/pestilens stuff been removed completely for the book?

no review of the book yet, so we don't know
but my guess is that everything that does not get a new model will be legends

 Overread wrote:
Most likely just how the models are cut - whilst modern GW does their best at hiding joins and do a generally very good job of it; there are times when it doesn't happen. That said both look like they'd be pretty easy to fix when assembling.

No it's not an assembly error as you seem to be implying, whatever those gaps are they are meant to be visible. His retainers don't have separate cloaks they're both emerging from underneath his cloak.

The gaps on the cloth of Foulblade are visually jarring but it appears to be some sort of design choice as they are all over Vizzik Skour's cloth too. It is just they are executed a lot better on the larger model. Were there any similar looking cloth areas on the Skaventide miniatures?

The modularity on the weapon teams is fantastic.

Not sure the Stormvermin add anything over the old sculpts... in fact they take away the drilled, highly trained, regimented aspect that defined them.

Regarding the "disappearance" of Wolfrats, I have no info of course but my pet theory is that if they existed, they were scrapped after it was decided Skaven are getting a free full move in the enemy turn as a faction ability, and having a large fast unit with that turned out to be too strong. Idk just a thought. But the moment I read that I thought "this will be completely insane if they get cavalry"


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I just saw 3 X-wings fly into that seam on Foulblade's cloak, no doubt aiming for the 2 meter wide thermal exhaust port at the end of it,.

Dudeface wrote:
Has any of the eshin/pestilens stuff been removed completely for the book?

I think that Gutterrunners are going Legends.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Has any of the eshin/pestilens stuff been removed completely for the book?

I think that Gutterrunners are going Legends.

They're joined by Censer Bearers and the Plague Priest.

Do remember that Legends are intended to be legal for all Matched Play outside tournaments for the duration of 4th edition!

Dudeface wrote:As someone who always wanted a slaven army but was put off by the old sculpts... I still am a little. This is all a little character heavy and it feels like half the army has been left out on the cold. Has any of the eshin/pestilens stuff been removed completely for the book?

Some stuff has been removed for the Index already as other said (though the Plague Priest on foot might be coming back in the form of Skabbiks Plague Pack if the little WarCom teaser is true) but we shouldn't be losing anything from the index to the battletome. There are only really two kits left that need a refresh anyway which is the Eshin Night Runners and the Pestilens Plague Monks. The actual problem is that Eshin only has 3 units in the Index (and so likely in the Battletome) with the Night Runners, the Deathmaster and the Verminlord Deceiver which isn't alot. Pestilens isn't as bad with 5 kits if its true that Skabbik returns as a Plague Priest.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:The gaps on the cloth of Foulblade are visually jarring but it appears to be some sort of design choice as they are all over Vizzik Skour's cloth too. It is just they are executed a lot better on the larger model. Were there any similar looking cloth areas on the Skaventide miniatures?

Yes the Rat Ogors have the same groves in their cloth. Its simply supposed to look like shoddily sewn together fabric. On Krittok's backside it also doesn't look that bad its just on the sides on the helpers were it doesn't really work.

lord_blackfang wrote:The modularity on the weapon teams is fantastic.

Not sure the Stormvermin add anything over the old sculpts... in fact they take away the drilled, highly trained, regimented aspect that defined them.

Regarding the "disappearance" of Wolfrats, I have no info of course but my pet theory is that if they existed, they were scrapped after it was decided Skaven are getting a free full move in the enemy turn as a faction ability, and having a large fast unit with that turned out to be too strong. Idk just a thought. But the moment I read that I thought "this will be completely insane if they get cavalry"

There is 0% chance any models gets scrapped because of rules. GW is always models first rules second.
Its way more likely somebody either meant the Gnawbeast the Clawlord is riding or simply saw the Wolfrats in the weapon teams without the rest and assumed they are getting a full unit

 Matrindur wrote:
WarCom updated with images for

Weapons Teams:

Spoiler:

and Stormvermin:

Spoiler:

The weapon team can all be build with the same weapon so likely no forced mixed units (but still might be possible if you want to)

Also compared to the list of rumours we had before the show:

1) Master Moulder.
2) Arch Warlock.
3) New Warlock (Galvaneer with warpvolt obliterators) (Leaked one).
4) Stormvermin.
5) Weaponteams.
6) Acolyte globadiers
7) New Verminlord (Vizzik Skour).
8 ) Wolfrats.
9) Clawlord on palanquin carried by rat ogors.

Its interesting how nearly everything was perfectly correct (even the name Vizzik Skour) but the the Clawlord on palanquin was wrong and it was Krittok Foulblade instead and no Wolfrats.
I guess the palanquin thing could be explained if there is art in the battletome of Krittok Foulblade on one that they tought would also represent the model but was just artwork after all and the Wolfrats could be somebody only seeing that single model without the rest of the weapon team but still kinda strange.
Maybe things that were modelled but didn't work out, maybe coming at a later point (end of edition campaign, warcry?)

Oh neat, so it looks like weapon teams will be three to a box. I wonder if Stormvermin will come with a war pick option as well as the halberds.

So guys, after seeing all those new releases (both Skaventide and yesterday's), what are your top 5? Mine are (not necessarily in that order): Rat Ogres, Weapon Batteries, Stormvermin, Doom-Flayers and Grey Seer.

They absolutely nailed the globadiers and the rest is not too bad, either.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So guys, after seeing all those new releases (both Skaventide and yesterday's), what are your top 5? Mine are (not necessarily in that order): Rat Ogres, Weapon Batteries, Stormvermin, Doom-Flayers and Grey Seer.

Verminlord, Hamster balls, Clawlord, Master moulder, Globadiers.

I’m very impressed. The new cannon in the starter had me worried, but every reveal shown yesterday is a banger in my book. AoS range is hitting it out of the park this year. A think I never thought I’d say.
And everything looks ToW compatible, which is fantastic

Not necessarily model, but model part?

Krittik’s sword. It has that ratty look to match what’s bound within. A really nice touch done just about right, as it could’ve been overstated.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not necessarily model, but model part?

Krittik’s sword. It has that ratty look to match what’s bound within. A really nice touch done just about right, as it could’ve been overstated.

I am not a fan of that model but I like that now Skaven too can have daemonic weapons, and that those daemons bound there are also theirs. I would love to read some short story or maybe even a novel covering them talking to each other. Something like a comedy version of Malus Darkblade.

The new vermilord I cant decide if I like or dislike. He looks old an wise in a way, and have a very passive and boring pose that makes him feel out of place in the range.
Looks like an incredible sculpt, but somehow lack the busy-quick, up to mischief style of the rest of the range.
Guess he is the kind of skaven leader that smugly just watch his plans unfold, until its time to flee.
Yeah, I think I like him.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
The sad thing (yeah, kinda expected) from today's reveal is that there were no updates for Eshin. Would love me some sneaky Nightrunners.

The Doom Flayer riders actually look like the old Eshin kit, same monkey arms/hands and body proportions and pose. Though I don't think they're supposed to be Eshin.

 Fayric wrote:
The new vermilord I cant decide if I like or dislike. He looks old an wise in a way, and have a very passive and boring pose that makes him feel out of place in the range.
Looks like an incredible sculpt, but somehow lack the busy-quick, up to mischief style of the rest of the range.
Guess he is the kind of skaven leader that smugly just watch his plans unfold, until its time to flee.
Yeah, I think I like him.

I'm still on the fence as well. What struck me the most was how similar it looks to the previous iteration. The pose, the overall design - it's like they took the sculpt and updated it with the current style and additional detail. Not saying that's a bad approach per se, but I'd probably have liked something different this time around. I'm also wondering if there will be alternative builds for it, like different faces or options for his left hand.

I was hoping for a skryre and/or moulder verminlord. Those are the two aspects of skaven I find most interesting. We have a pestilens, eshin, verminus, and 2 masterclan themed verminlords (one of which is more of a grey seer specifically. Vizzik is really a third masterclan option (and a second Grey seer from the looks of it).

Great update of the skaven range, especially the stormvermins. Only stinker is that dumb-looking wheel thing

 streetsamurai wrote:
Only stinker is that dumb-looking wheel thing

Not sure exactly what you expected, it's just a plastic version of the metal one.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Only stinker is that dumb-looking wheel thing

Not sure exactly what you expected, it's just a plastic version of the metal one.

Frag me. I had completely forgottent that these already existed.....

The metal one was pushed into battle, the plastic one appears to be some kind of an unicycle.

The Doom-Flayer was always an engine powered vehicle.

Yup. I’ve an original metal one somewhere, and definitely engine powered.

Well I for one like this doom flayer and would love to use it in Blood Bowl. In fact I think I will.

The rest of the Skaven releases look pretty cool. It's unfortunate for fans of the older Skaven that seem left out, like plague monks etc, but what they did get this time does seem to be done well, a couple of teeny gripes aside. Year of the Rat hey with the campaign results too.

I wonder how possible it would be to have a pure wheel list?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I wonder how possible it would be to have a pure wheel list?

The same person who shared the name of Krittok and several other accurate rumours said we're getting a mini doomwheel at some point.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I wonder how possible it would be to have a pure wheel list?

Ratmageddon incoming!

I understood that reference

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I understood that reference

Imagine that fun in fantasy, like some Empire city

Chikout wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I wonder how possible it would be to have a pure wheel list?

The same person who shared the name of Krittok and several other accurate rumours said we're getting a mini doomwheel at some point.

Yea it's in the pictures above.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Chikout wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I wonder how possible it would be to have a pure wheel list?

The same person who shared the name of Krittok and several other accurate rumours said we're getting a mini doomwheel at some point.

Yea it's in the pictures above.

No. I know it sounds weird but we're apparently getting a mini doomwheel that is a different thing than the doom- flayers. Again this comes from someone who's shared about a dozen rumors and hasn't been wrong yet. There's some speculation that it might be this year's Warhammer plus mini.

On the Stormcast side the same person has suggested that we're getting stormstrike Palladors and a larger version of hero from Skaventide called a Morrgryph. This same person has also said that cities are getting a cogfort this edition.

This is from the same person who was the first to say that BoC were going away and that the launch box would include scenery.

Who is this person out of curiosity? I can't imagine getting new palladors without redoing the troops. And a cogfort has been a wishlist of item since it was first mentioned.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Who is this person out of curiosity? I can't imagine getting new palladors without redoing the troops. And a cogfort has been a wishlist of item since it was first mentioned.

It's 'whitefang back me up' over on TGA. If you search their username you can see everything they've shared. They talked about Stormcast on their last reforging and an avatar of the rat god as a centrepiece back in January so they're pretty legit.

Another wheel thing would be beyond redondant and boring imo.....

 streetsamurai wrote:
Another wheel thing would be beyond redondant and boring imo.....

Or alternatively it would be a fun and characterful mini perfect for something like Warhammer plus. My feeling is that limited edition minis should always be redundant in game terms.

Chikout wrote:

My feeling is that limited edition minis should always be redundant in game terms.

Which is just what they have been doing with W+, 1st year was just alternative sculpts for already existing models, 2nd year was models that don't exist in this way in the game so no rules and 3rd year was another wave of alternative sculpts.
So an alternative sculpt for a Doomwheel/Doom Flayer is perfectly inline with what they have been doing

Well if there is another mini doom wheel or doom flayer version coming as a limited release I wonder what the difference will be.

Maybe the rider will wear little racing goggles and use a jockey whip to make it go faster.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Well if there is another mini doom wheel or doom flayer version coming as a limited release I wonder what the difference will be.

Maybe the rider will wear little racing goggles and use a jockey whip to make it go faster.

It can simply be a diorama piece like the Assassin in year 1 was. The Assassin itself wasn't really different but it had that terrain diorama that made the whole model special.

I can see the Wheel racing off a ramp, something like this for example:

Would be a bit of a big kit for a W+ special ed wouldn't it?

Maybe that rumoured ''mini doom'' is a new named character, like some warlock obsessed with speed or some other crazyness?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Would be a bit of a big kit for a W+ special ed wouldn't it?

The rumour is about a Mini-Doomwheel

I don't expect something as big as in the image above but you can still get the same effect with a smaller model

In any case we know another wheel isn't coming for at least a year

I'm chalking it up to "Whitefang" (no relation) not knowing Doom Flayers exist, unless they explicitly said "no I'm not confusing tiny doom wheels with doom flayers"

 Matrindur wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Would be a bit of a big kit for a W+ special ed wouldn't it?

The rumour is about a Mini-Doomwheel

I don't expect something as big as in the image above but you can still get the same effect with a smaller model

My mistake, i forgot you said mini version.

The doomwheel isn't particularly big to begin with, so this is likely going to be some sort of promo miniature. I just can't see them introduce another wheel-type unit into the army, especially at a lower scale.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
In any case we know another wheel isn't coming for at least a year

I'm chalking it up to "Whitefang" (no relation) not knowing Doom Flayers exist, unless they explicitly said "no I'm not confusing tiny doom wheels with doom flayers"

This was what he posted a day after the preview show:

Did you all enjoy the new Skaven models?

Wait until you all see the mini Doomwheel!

So I would be very surprised if he meant the Doom Flayers instead when he is directly referencing the reveals


Also this:

Can you solve this lightning round anagram?

astrid pork steamrolls

to get something that is likely Stormcast into the mix.

The most likely solution we got over on TGA was Stormstrike Palladors

While Palladors would be extremely cool (and i know Whitefang has an extremely good record), i just find it odd unless they redo the Hunters as well. And would GW redo two troop types in same edition?

I dunno - their handling of Stormcast this edition is already on odd ground having invalidated a bunch of only 3 year old models .

Eventually all Stormcasts without Thunderstrike will get it, unless Sacrosant fate is planned for them, so new Palladors are not impossible.

I know it's not impossible, I just think it would be odd to remake the palladors and leave the hunters. But it would be very unusual to have another infantry kit done right after the liberators.

AoS isn't 40k, but Tyranids just got redone Termagants, Hormagaunts and Genestealers in addition to two new types of Gaunts. It doesn't look like current GW is worried about overloading one FOC slot/battlefield role/whatever pretense of army structure GW fancies at this time if they see a need for releasing certain models.

AoS design team hella more competent than the 40k team tho.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
AoS design team hella more competent than the 40k team tho.

Yeah, they write better rules and their minis look much better.

 Overread wrote:
I dunno - their handling of Stormcast this edition is already on odd ground having invalidated a bunch of only 3 year old models .

People keep saying this, but I'm genuinely confused. What models from the start of 3.0 have been invalidated? Stuff from 2.0 and 1.0 sure, but those are older than 3 years.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I dunno - their handling of Stormcast this edition is already on odd ground having invalidated a bunch of only 3 year old models .

People keep saying this, but I'm genuinely confused. What models from the start of 3.0 have been invalidated? Stuff from 2.0 and 1.0 sure, but those are older than 3 years.

I don't keep enough track but the stormcast hero riding that huge winged mount with a hyena like head

Yes there's a 1 year "grace" period before they enter legends but the models are already pulled from sale

 Overread wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I dunno - their handling of Stormcast this edition is already on odd ground having invalidated a bunch of only 3 year old models .

People keep saying this, but I'm genuinely confused. What models from the start of 3.0 have been invalidated? Stuff from 2.0 and 1.0 sure, but those are older than 3 years.

I don't keep enough track but the stormcast hero riding that huge winged mount with a hyena like head

Yes there's a 1 year "grace" period before they enter legends but the models are already pulled from sale

The Tauralon is from 2nd edition and dropped in August of 2018.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I dunno - their handling of Stormcast this edition is already on odd ground having invalidated a bunch of only 3 year old models .

People keep saying this, but I'm genuinely confused. What models from the start of 3.0 have been invalidated? Stuff from 2.0 and 1.0 sure, but those are older than 3 years.

I just think people are being overly pedantic about the matter. In GW years, the Sacrosanct models were still pretty recent.

While i get it's annoying, the sacrosanct are still perfectly usable. Sequitors especially are just liberators with robes.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
While Palladors would be extremely cool (and i know Whitefang has an extremely good record), i just find it odd unless they redo the Hunters as well. And would GW redo two troop types in same edition?

To clarify its not from Whitefang (they have been missing for a while now) but "Whitefang back me up"

They only appeared back in December and got everything right since then which is the following:

Some release order stuff
BoC going legends
Agents of the Imperium back in February (not sure if the first)
Abraxia, Spear of the Everchosen
Rules from the core book back in March
Some Skaventide models (and the name Skaventide itself)

And now the two things I posted above and a Lord Vigilant on Morrgryph which is apparently "Think the same but BIG" compared to the one in Skaventide

So they are still likely true, just not a long running trusted one like actual Whitefang

Sounds like a Whitefang alt account. That works for me.

Big lord vigilant and small doomwgeel makes it sound like they saw some preproduction prototype prints which they confused for products

I could believe a vigilant on big bird. It would be a monster piece replacement for the Tauralon.

 Matrindur wrote:
a Lord Vigilant on Morrgryph which is apparently "Think the same but BIG" compared to the one in Skaventide

Like a gryph but more

I could see them redoing Hunters in this wave too, they've had ample opportunity to learn from Primaris Marines and should know to rip off the scale refresh bandaid quickly. Never did like the aesthetic of the Vanguard Chamber being as heavily armoured as the rest of them while ostensibly fulfilling a scouting, hit-and-run role (even though a simple Thunderstrike rework would still have them as armoured as the rest, at least it's a slimmer profile).

Plus, it makes the range trimming more palatable overall if their focus is to improve what's still there instead of adding more bloat to a substantial range (another thing they should have learned from Marines)

You know, i was actually looking at their range last night and it's not actually that big. And i don't expect the new wave is going to bloat it to any considerable degree.

One thing I hate about Stormcast is that we need to wait an edition to see what those Chambers left are for. With Sacrosant deleted, there are only Covenant and Logister left, so 6th will be the final revelation.

You suddenly made me think of all those people who complain about nothing but Stormcast releases when all they ever get is a dump once an edition and token releases for the next four years. Although the other chamber names are interesting. i mean Covenant..so like a priestly chamber?

If the Stormcast get the Covenant, who gets the Flood? Idoneth, maybe?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
i mean Covenant..so like a priestly chamber?

Hmmm, you may be right. just like Sacrosant were various levels of Librarians, those could be various levels of Chaplains

This screams fake to me, but i guess it could be real?

I could see it being real - the 40K version did well in Japan so an AoS makes a lot of sense to test the water with

I'd believe that was a real thing, but it'll be an interesting test of how popular Stormcast really are compared to Space Marines.

We already know that's a pointless comparison. Nothing compares to marines, even within 40k.

Fair point. Wonder what the internal sales projections look like.

There's a seller on eBay has them up for preorder for December release, along with a french retailer doing the same thing

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You suddenly made me think of all those people who complain about nothing but Stormcast releases when all they ever get is a dump once an edition and token releases for the next four years. Although the other chamber names are interesting. i mean Covenant..so like a priestly chamber?

I mean, that's still 3 army-sized dumps in 9 years which is 2-3 dumps more than any other faction got. Some are still sitting pretty on 0 releases apart from token heroes since WHFB ended.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Some are still sitting pretty on 0 releases apart from token heroes since WHFB ended.

I don't think this is actually true? The army with the lowest number of new kits since AoS started is Ogors and not counting their two UW warbands even they got a new unit (Gorgor Mawpack) together with their two token heroes and a terrain piece.
Everyone else got at least 1 real wave of stuff. Sure for some that was in 1st edition and just token heroes afterwards but still during AoS

 Matrindur wrote:
I don't think this is actually true? The army with the lowest number of new kits since AoS started is Ogors and not counting their two UW warbands even they got a new unit (Gorgor Mawpack) together with their two token heroes and a terrain piece.
Everyone else got at least 1 real wave of stuff. Sure for some that was in 1st edition and just token heroes afterwards but still during AoS

Gorgers are functionally the same as WHU teams and going Legends in 3 years, not exactly an army sized dump. Skaven getting theirs just now, 9 years in, FEC a couple months ago. Most of these can count on another 9 years until they're looked at again, after another 3 waves of SCE.

It's not 40k bad, but there are folks in AoS seeing one faction getting more than triple the stuff of their faction.

They're pretty obviously real, that Knight Arcanum sculpt is completely new and isn't even the same gender as the main model.

I think they're a nice enough set, but unlike the previous ones the odds printed on them suggest that the "buy a box and get one of everything guaranteed" is gone, because the Knight Arcanum is listed as 1:24. That sucks.

 Matrindur wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Some are still sitting pretty on 0 releases apart from token heroes since WHFB ended.

I don't think this is actually true? The army with the lowest number of new kits since AoS started is Ogors and not counting their two UW warbands even they got a new unit (Gorgor Mawpack) together with their two token heroes and a terrain piece.
Everyone else got at least 1 real wave of stuff. Sure for some that was in 1st edition and just token heroes afterwards but still during AoS

Do Dispossessed and Dark Elves count?

Managed to locate a few more pics. And if the site is to believed, 7 euros a box.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
I don't think this is actually true? The army with the lowest number of new kits since AoS started is Ogors and not counting their two UW warbands even they got a new unit (Gorgor Mawpack) together with their two token heroes and a terrain piece.
Everyone else got at least 1 real wave of stuff. Sure for some that was in 1st edition and just token heroes afterwards but still during AoS

Gorgers are functionally the same as WHU teams and going Legends in 3 years, not exactly an army sized dump. Skaven getting theirs just now, 9 years in, FEC a couple months ago. Most of these can count on another 9 years until they're looked at again, after another 3 waves of SCE.

It's not 40k bad, but there are folks in AoS seeing one faction getting more than triple the stuff of their faction.

the only faction that had their Warcry warbands go to legends were StD. Stormcast kept theirs, DoK kept theirs, Fyreslayers kept theirs, Seraphon kept theirs, Lumineth kept theirs, Khorne kept theirs, Tzeentch kept theirs, Nurgle kept theirs, Darkoath kept theirs, FEC kept theirs, Nighthaunt kept theirs, Soulblight kept theirs, and Orruks kept theirs. i know people want to be cycnical about GW sending units to legends, but there's no reason to think Warcry warbands will be sent to legends outside of the one case of the StD cultist bands

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Gorgers are functionally the same as WHU teams and going Legends in 3 years, not exactly an army sized dump. Skaven getting theirs just now, 9 years in, FEC a couple months ago. Most of these can count on another 9 years until they're looked at again, after another 3 waves of SCE.

It's not 40k bad, but there are folks in AoS seeing one faction getting more than triple the stuff of their faction.

Don't see why Gorgers shouldn't count as they were a normal unit before that just got refreshed through Warcry instead of a normal release? Warcry releases aren't the same as Underworlds releases. Underworlds warbands just got AoS rules to crossmarket which stopped this edition while Warcry actually refreshes normal AoS units just through a different channel.

And I didn't say other factions shouldn't get their time in the sun instead of Stormcast just that your "0 releases apart from token heroes since WHFB" isn't really true

As a Idoneth and Fyreslayer collector I of course also want an actual wave for them after 9 years

Ah, I was under the impression Warcry units weren't real boy units because they can't be reinforced, even when there's no composition reason (like a caster or named hero) and they're coded as bog standard units (River Guard, Chameleon Skinks, Gorgers...). I still feel like that sets them apart as something tacked on that might disappear when GW feels like it, and GW is kinda hinting you don't want to buy multiples, even if they can currently be taken.

 The Phazer wrote:
They're pretty obviously real, that Knight Arcanum sculpt is completely new and isn't even the same gender as the main model.

I think they're a nice enough set, but unlike the previous ones the odds printed on them suggest that the "buy a box and get one of everything guaranteed" is gone, because the Knight Arcanum is listed as 1:24. That sucks.

GW testing if people are willing to buy multiple boxes to get the set, rather than content to buy just one box.

Shame there's no pictures of them wearing their helmets.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
I don't think this is actually true? The army with the lowest number of new kits since AoS started is Ogors and not counting their two UW warbands even they got a new unit (Gorgor Mawpack) together with their two token heroes and a terrain piece.
Everyone else got at least 1 real wave of stuff. Sure for some that was in 1st edition and just token heroes afterwards but still during AoS

Gorgers are functionally the same as WHU teams and going Legends in 3 years, not exactly an army sized dump. Skaven getting theirs just now, 9 years in, FEC a couple months ago. Most of these can count on another 9 years until they're looked at again, after another 3 waves of SCE.

It's not 40k bad, but there are folks in AoS seeing one faction getting more than triple the stuff of their faction.

the only faction that had their Warcry warbands go to legends were StD. Stormcast kept theirs, DoK kept theirs, Fyreslayers kept theirs, Seraphon kept theirs, Lumineth kept theirs, Khorne kept theirs, Tzeentch kept theirs, Nurgle kept theirs, Darkoath kept theirs, FEC kept theirs, Nighthaunt kept theirs, Soulblight kept theirs, and Orruks kept theirs. i know people want to be cycnical about GW sending units to legends, but there's no reason to think Warcry warbands will be sent to legends outside of the one case of the StD cultist bands

Yeah the STD was painful but understandable as they were a LOT of different units all in the same kind of role slot. Flavourful but overwhelming.
It's a kind of shame that GW never made them all the same base size so that they could just "counts as marauders"

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Managed to locate a few more pics. And if the site is to believed, 7 euros a box.

Something to note that was just pointed out to me, it looks like these will be Warcry compatible as there's images of warcry card stats in the top right.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Managed to locate a few more pics. And if the site is to believed, 7 euros a box.

Something to note that was just pointed out to me, it looks like these will be Warcry compatible as there's images of warcry card stats in the top right.

the warcry equivalent of Strike Force Justinian

Stormcasts incoming:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/19/the-nova-open-is-incoming-get-ready-for-more-warhammer-reveals/

Not in love with this "reveal show for 1 thing every 2 weeks" thing that's going on now

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Not in love with this "reveal show for 1 thing every 2 weeks" thing that's going on now

Eh I'm content with it. Big shows were flashy and got lots of hype; but then you enter the long wait where there's no fresh hype news for ages and half the stuff from the show isn't even out yet.


Of course if you collect or are interested in very little having more smaller shows can make it feel like you're waiting even longer for stuff to happen; whilst at least with the big ones you can more easily get caught up in some of the hype.

I'm more interested in the road-maps honestly. I want to know where Underworlds and Warcry are going forwards.

I wonder if SCE will get mostly Thunderstriked old ones or mostly new additions?

I find it tiresome, like a kid who wants attention all the time. Let me absorb it all at once and then have 3 months off to think about other games pls.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'm more interested in the road-maps honestly. I want to know where Underworlds and Warcry are going forwards.

There were rumours that they are going squatted or was that all some 4chan bs?

People need to stop repeating this junk. Ever since Spearhead came out, it just keeps repeating.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
People need to stop repeating this junk. Ever since Spearhead came out, it just keeps repeating.

It's unfortunate, but GW has kind of earned this reputation. Models, armies, and even whole game systems can be dropped. If I were a very risk averse consumer, I would focus my hobby dollars only on armies/systems with clear roadmaps for support.

We live in a world where GW stopped support of its oldest and second biggest game to reboot it, and where they have cut out units for Space Marines, the absolute poster boys of the hobby, that have had rules since the late 80s. If GW were to cancel Warcry or Underworlds (or Necromunda or Bloodbowl or Dark Eldar or FW units or whatever) they will just... do it. Even MESBG, a game that's been on the backburner for (checks watch) two decades gets consistent updates, rules, and news.

Warcry is interesting because V1 was clearly meant to have a fantasy necromunda vibe, focusing on the chaos mosh pit and being pretty detached from AOS. V2 focused more on faction specific warbands, and as the edition has moved forward they have become more obviously just units for AOS armies. While that's disappointing for the true fans, it gives Warcry a lot more runway as much like kill team the game does not need to stand on it's own merits, but can do double duty.

Underworlds is fascinating, because while it seems to have very little footprint as a game, the models are pretty popular for either alt sulpts or just for painting. Still, I do not know what keeps it in business, unless it's a ton of people playing in their kitchens with friends and family. In which case, god bless you, because Underwolds has lead to some really neat models.

 The Phazer wrote:
Shame there's no pictures of them wearing their helmets.

At least the one sprue pic we have shows a helmet option.

Well Underworlds gets anywhere from a 30-40 attendance at WHW for weekly tournaments, so there certainly is a player base.

Warcry is coming to the end of it's current run judging by the latest book. I'd say there's one more gnarlwood box that will finish up that plot-line and then i would expect a new edition to bring it into Aqshy with the main game.

I mean, take this as you will?