We've had 40k today, but getting another 90k is a bit of an ask. Will probably open it up in pledge manager even if they don't get the 925K by then I'd say.
Do we know how big the dragon is? It may justify why they made it a paid add on. (Saying that with all the other stuff included in this stretch goal it does seem good value).
Mymearan wrote: Can I pledge $1 and then change my pledge to Dungeon Master in the pledge manager?
Yes you can
While you can, it's a bit of a jerk move, if you're planning to spend the money, pledge it, and help get to the next stretch goal.
On a personal note, I'm quite excided by this game, I'd not been interested, then a friend sent me a link and I got hooked.
I've gone Dungeon Master with $100 extra so I get the hardback, some expansions, and dice/rulers etc.
I missed out on Deadzone due to finances, and I'm not missing out on this.
Posts like yours are a jerk move. Not everyone will have $100+ spare right now. So you get to tell people how to spend their money when you pay for them yourself out of your own wallet. Until then, pull your head right in.
Plus Mantic counts pledge manager funds towards stretch goals, DBX and Deadzone had two or three extra stretches each unlocked that way, so it's not super critical to have all the money down up front.
I'm not pledging all right now either. I'm adding another $125 in the pledge manager (at least), but right now I'm leaving it at $100-125 because of funds. The manager funds will likely be collected decently later. Can't blame people for doing that, we have plenty of awesome additions, and this is definitely worth the buy.
The only thing adding all the funds does for us now is increase the impact of new potential backers looking at the page for the first time and dogpiling after thinking "Mantic, your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?"
Blimey, had not checked in on this KS for a good while, had never imagined that they would hit 700k let alone the nearly 900+ that this will probably finish on.
So it is currently at 65 minis and assorted extras for $100 (a tad over £60 at current exchange rates).
I may have to actually put in a pledge . Pros and cons of this Kickstarter Dakka members?
But seriously, the rules sound fun to play and deep with lots of options. The models are plentiful, a nice variety and should come out decent quality as it'll be Mantics third attempt at boardgame plastic. The expansions will give lots of playability out of the box, plus the random dungeon generation and full on RPG ability means it should be used for a long time to come. It's tied into the already existing world from Kings of War so should have substantial fluff.
It *is* boardgame plastic though so it'll have less detail than what we normally get, and as it's a kickstarter we're pledging for gak we don't know how it'll turn out.
pros-
good ratio of minis to money
3d scenery and terrain
advanced rules to turn this into a more modern Warhammer Quest
good hero variety with your pledge
expansions are pretty good value for what you can get
scenario variety and game modes
cons-
single piece boardgame plastics (if you are looking for better quality minis)
unknown rules (especially for the advanced stuff)
long wait
???
Yeah I'm in at 201 but I may have to bump. Drop battle systems. I'd hate to but dunno, only so much to go around.
DM + crypts + galahir + black fortress + dragon, kind of want the KoW Abyssal Dwarfs since the golems and harpies are pretty usable anywhere. And the extra Halls of Dolgarth is quasi tempting.
I'm in for the DM plus all the expansions, along with whatever else a $300 pledge will get me. More furniture, extra doors, dice, whatever.
If I wasn't off on holiday next week I'd be in for more.
I bumped up to $200. I'm sure the dragon will get unlocked and the monster manual book will be cool. I'll prolly get some extra furniture or minis with what's left over
Starting to wonder... 6 hours left and we just hit 900k. People in the comments are quite bubbly and optimistic, shall likely depend on whats on offer after the dagron.
One million dollar stretch that I'd like is for them to do all 10 legendary heroes in plastic for $25. That would make for a pretty ideal $200 for me (3 expansions and all the legendaries).
Wow, amazing how many people have come on board late for this. For some reason my screen hadn't refreshed, hit F5 and in the space of an hour an extra 200 pledgers.
Guessing this will easily hit the Dragon of Halpi set, will be interesting to see if there is room for one more target.
GrimDork wrote: Starting to wonder... 6 hours left and we just hit 900k. People in the comments are quite bubbly and optimistic, shall likely depend on whats on offer after the dagron.
Well they've just done nearly 9k since you posted this Going far stronger than I thought, I guess people really want that dragon.
Yep, I'm surprised at how much momentum we're picking up. Deadzone's total is out of reach, but 1mil is actually possible, but they'll have to fight for it.
In at 200, something nice shows up I may be enticed to 250 but dunnoz.
Interestingly, this has now passed Heroquest 25th Anniversary's total, which was €680037 ($895k), although that game had more than 12,000 backers I think based on some of the smaller terrain sets and the like.
I couldn't care less about Descent clones so I haven't been keeping up with this, but congrats to Mantic for pulling in ~1 million bucks. I hope this will cover the extra shipping for Deadzone's wave 3
Blah, still on the fence with not much time left to go.
The value has certainly gotten better, but I just don't know that there's a demand for this game for me. Anyone with a crystal ball who wants to guess when the PM for this one is likely to close? Don't have tons of funds lying around at the moment for toys and I know there's some massive spend from my budget in the early part of '15 coming up with Armada and Imperial Assault, and I have my eye on a few things that are available now for today's dollars.
On the flip side, if the PM is going to be open until April or May, then I might do the "jerk pledge" of $1 and up it later. That way the money is being a bit more responsibly doled out and I should have my MA and DBX pledges in to judge if the material is good enough or if I just get a few of the tokens.
Mymearan wrote: Can I pledge $1 and then change my pledge to Dungeon Master in the pledge manager?
Yes you can
While you can, it's a bit of a jerk move, if you're planning to spend the money, pledge it, and help get to the next stretch goal.
bs.
First of all, some of us don't have the money to pledge right now because of the MA and Deadzone Pledge Managers, which means Mantic's got the money already.
Second, this is as much a part of the game as fake stretch goals. Why should we go all in without having seen the sculpts or even having received any board game plastic minis to test the medium yet? If Mantic wants to play hardball, then why should we give them our money now, a year in advance, as a reward, when we can give it to them 4-6 months from now?
Plus, Mantic factors in PM money for achieving stretch goals, so you're entirely wrong any way.
TBH I'd prefer more content like this than more figures at this stage I think. Will already be getting over 100 minis I think with base and the two main expansions and it's unlikely to see more than what, 15 on the board at once? The tile connectors don't fuss me as I like Grims idea of flipping one of our large mouse-mat boards over to hold the tiles in place.
The Dragon didn't bother me. It's nice and all, but would have preferred another expansion like the first two. *shrugs* If it helps it sell better I'm fine with that and hey... can always use a dragon and dragon themed tiles and scenarios and stuff ; p
Here you go, after that its on to the mil stretch goal.
Spoiler:
Update #53 ℹ
Aug 31 2014
An Ancient Grudge
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Wow – what a ride!!
We’re getting ever so close to that big 7-digit number. It’s quite scary actually, and whilst we’re in heated discussions about what to do next, here’s a little ‘un to aim for!
New Stretch Goal!
$980,000 BONUS Complete Dwarf King’s Hold Collection
You’ve got Dead Rising, you’ve got Green Menace – now complete the whole collection of Dwarf King’s Hold with the scenarios from Ancient Grudge, and any of the bonus scenarios included in print magazines like Ravage, remastered for Dungeon Saga.
This adventures will keep you entertained for hours! A Dwarf King's Hold dungeon saga weekend is definitely on the cards.
When we break this goal, we will included them free in your Kickstarter Exclusive Dungeon Journal, included in Dungeon Master and up ($100 and Early Bird)
"now complete the whole collection of Dwarf King’s Hold with the scenarios from Ancient Grudge, and any of the bonus scenarios included in print magazines like Ravage, remastered for Dungeon Saga."
Mymearan wrote: Can I pledge $1 and then change my pledge to Dungeon Master in the pledge manager?
Yes you can
While you can, it's a bit of a jerk move, if you're planning to spend the money, pledge it, and help get to the next stretch goal.
On a personal note, I'm quite excided by this game, I'd not been interested, then a friend sent me a link and I got hooked.
I've gone Dungeon Master with $100 extra so I get the hardback, some expansions, and dice/rulers etc.
I missed out on Deadzone due to finances, and I'm not missing out on this.
I'm actually not planning it, I'm hoping. I'm completely broke right now
Damn, IEM Toronto (SC2 tournament) has finished. Now it's harder to justify sitting on the PC at 4 AM -_-
Awww, last update doesn't really do much for me. A new hero and some scenarios for him. At least it's free I guess ; ) He does look nice too... hmmm. Not too shabby really, but $45K to get it.
If we hit this stretch goal, we will produce Valandor - a mighty hero to fight back against the darkness, and the Undead Demon Lord Ba’el. We will include him FREE in pledges of Dungeon Master ($100 and Early Bird). Furthermore, we will write a set of scenarios that feature Valandor leading a party of warriors against the tide of monsters that have inflicted the world of Mantica, in a bid to defeat Ba’el and his hordes.
We're now at a stage where in 4 weeks, a company seen as a cheap little competitor to GW has raked in over $1 million for just one project and with well over 5000 backers too.
This is not small change, and represents a big chunk of gamers out there - if I were GW I would surely be asking 'why are they doing so well' - this is $1 million not in GW accounts that a few years ago would have been, and I suspect if WHQ had been released again would definitely have gone that way.
It is scary how much market share GW is losing now and I for one am delighted!
Yeah it's pretty underwhelming for $45K. Maybe they're right at their limit for what they can include in the pledge though, it looks like very good value now already.
TBH the final option felt like a 'we've Overdosed on caffeine and nicotine and not slept for days and we've run out of ideas yet still they want to give us money' moment!
jim30 wrote: We're now at a stage where in 4 weeks, a company seen as a cheap little competitor to GW has raked in over $1 million for just one project and with well over 5000 backers too.
This is not small change, and represents a big chunk of gamers out there - if I were GW I would surely be asking 'why are they doing so well' - this is $1 million not in GW accounts that a few years ago would have been, and I suspect if WHQ had been released again would definitely have gone that way.
It is scary how much market share GW is losing now and I for one am delighted!
I'm not sure WHQ would actually compete. Even if GW did put out WHQ would they support it past their initial release, would they pull some limited release BS, would they allow it to be sold outside of direct only, or would they figure out some other way to shoot themselves in the foot? Fact is a lot of people have been looking to put their money into games of these sorts for years and all it took was someone to fill the void.
I get why this was a larger stretch goal - it not only includes a larger hero, it also includes the development of missions for hunting the demon.
Not sure why they didn't do a 20k stretch for him (yay! $1M!) then another stretch for his missions, but the goal will be hit with relative ease, so I'm not fussed about it.
I have a feeling that we're seeing so much last day activity because so many people passed on it day one since it didn't have the value yet and didn't bother checking in again until now. I got an EB and it wasn't until a few days ago that I decided to keep it.
Also, anyone else think the hunt for Ba'el is a hint for one last stretch? I don't think Ba'el was part of any of the earlier stretches and we'll probably have 90 minutes left after securing Valandor.
jim30 wrote: How much have Mantic made via KS in the last couple of years - the good news is that this helps securely fund them for quite some time to come :-)
It should be that they have multiple revenue streams that constantly trickle in thanks to the new product lines, rather than these lump sums doing a lot as it's largely or totally consumed in the creation of the product itself. Not to mention a greatly expanded customer base that will hopefully buy some of their other products. (guilty as charged)
That's the thing, And GW did the same thing in the early days.
You have a gateway game (Like DS:TDKQ) and you have the core of a KoW army, so you expand into KoW.
I can see me using this terrain for lots of things, including Malifaux...
I am pretty damn satisfied with what I'm getting for my money, even if the miniatures don't blow me away. I'm getting a pile of gaming material at a really good price.
There were times earlier on when I thought the value wasn't there, but right now I am pretty happy about it.
Sounds like Valandor vs Be'al is a full blown expansion now? I dunno if there are extra tiles or if they just meant that between those two models and the scenarios they're including it technically counts.
Compel wrote: Anyone else got the feeling they've ran out of ideas?
I think that they're spent, and rightly so.
I really didn't think that at the start of it that they'd beat Deadzone for backers by several miles and come pretty close in the money stakes. When you realise that this isn't just free money for them, that they have to use it to produce stuff, it's basically their most successful KS so far.
As far as GW dropping the ball by not redoing WHQ, would anyone want a limited release game with no support that dies off, or one by a company that are pretty much seen as the good guys releasing a game with tons of expansions that create a foundation for their fantasy tabletop game and eventual skirmish game?
Welp, I went in for the "jerk pledge." Noticing my credit card balance ended in a 9 was the tipping point. Hopefully that turns into a decent-sized pledge by the time this rolls around to shipping, but I'm just too leery to plunk the money down right now with other shinies coming up sooner.
scarletsquig wrote: ^ Jerk pledge for me too unfortunately, quite an expensive month so far (summer always is), but will be going all-in on the pledge manager.
im thinking all in then too, minus the kow figures, dice and bag. Although the Abyssal kow add on looks pretty good value.
Like I said earlier, depending on when the PM closes it might work out to be an all-in pledge with expansions and loads of stuff. I'm also going to have a chance to see if I like the plastic so that's good.
Plus if SS is being a jerk too, I feel much better about it.
Looks ilke the twilight kin assassin showed up finally. And a vampire for some reason, plus a skeletal jester. No thanks! Sounds like backers get a free novel too though? That's kinda cool.
Wow- no kidding about people needing to calm down. Some real trolling going on in the comments. Some people just don't realise the amount of work that goes into mucking about with images etc etc.
The spaced out stretches and the stretches for the updating of the dkh scenarios makes more sense now, I guess Mantic didn't want to run out of stretch goals early and played them as late as they dared. It would have been a bit of an anticlimax if they'd announced no new goals a day earlier.
It'd mostly be tanks I'd be going for I think, maybe some plastic Corporation marines, if I want to consider continuing my cerberus theme that I'm doing with the ones I already have. Thanks to Deadzone, I already have as many Enforcers as I'd ever need.
I'm a bit worried that I'm at too many games now, to be honest. I'm currently at:
Attack Wing
X-Wing
Dropzone Commander
Dreadball
and Deadzone
Then adding Dreadball Xtreme and Dungeon Saga to my list may cause issues.
It doesn't help that my 'least' favourite game out of the bunch, Attack Wing, is the most popular.
Well, dang, if they did this, I would have pledged!
Looking forward to Warpath. I got one of their starter sets (still haven't assembled it!) and liked what I saw for the price I paid.
Does Warpath have an undead faction besides zombies? The zombies look a little silly, but survival horror in space is pretty common in movies and video games, and I'd expect some horror sf skirmish games to be quite possible. Aliens would be nice...
Mymearan wrote: Can I pledge $1 and then change my pledge to Dungeon Master in the pledge manager?
Yes you can
While you can, it's a bit of a jerk move, if you're planning to spend the money, pledge it, and help get to the next stretch goal.
Note really... mantic actively encourage people to do that so they suck every last penny out of you and don't pay KS fees on that cash...
And here of course Mantic ran out of stretch goals. Shame as many wanted to see evil dwarf dungeon, evil elf torture lair and human/elf stronghold evil heroes could raid! I wanted to see small expansion packs of a room or two, rules, mini quests/games and 1 or a few themed models.
I imagine Jake was just saying no, no more, I am but one man and you tight gits won't hire a second...
Course GW know there is no demand for this sort of game as a spacehulk style release
Yonan wrote: "now complete the whole collection of Dwarf King’s Hold with the scenarios from Ancient Grudge, and any of the bonus scenarios included in print magazines like Ravage, remastered for Dungeon Saga."
Spoiler:
Are these form the original DKH?
edit: $970K, 5521 backers.
They need to add the Dwarf drill to the addons otherwise you can't play some of them.
Sooo...
If money is no object my final pledge manager tally will be...
Slinky wrote: I would just like to say that I predicted the total correctly
I am predicting just over $1m.
Aug 28 2014 on Dungeon Saga: The Dwarf King's Quest.
The naysayers must be kicking themselves pretty hard right now lol.
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Yeah those heresy are nice but I prefer tge reaper bones stuff. This thread git shot down here real quick, seems tge FW rumourthreads last much longer then the KS ones......
Yep... The Reaper stuff doesn't have price on its side, I guess it comes down to what you want the model for. Bones are great gaming models for something that will rarely be used for more than 1 campaign.
Well the shock hasn’t quite worn off yet – that was meant to be the small one! So, we’ve funded a ton of stuff and have already started writing and sculpting. But what next for you?
Well, in about 1-2 months time we will release the pledge manager. We need a bit of time to add all of the products to the system and bug test it for any errors. On this system you will be able to:
- Enter and/or change your address details.
- Select and/or change your pledge level.
- Nominate which add-ons you want to spend your pledge amount on.
- Add additional extras on, which will be charged via paypal or credit card.
This system will be live before the end of the year, we’ll keep you updated on progress as and when we have information to share. There will be a few new things on the pledge manager as well – some of you have asked for the dragon to be made available separately and there will be the Soft Cover Adventurer’s Compendium as well. We know some of you also missed the last few add-ons as well – you’ll get opportunity to pick them up then!
Yes I had zapped them a note asking how people could get the dwarf drill that is needed in a couple of scenarios and they said they would add it. I imagine other bits like that and some of their other 'characterful' models.
Well, backers get the classic DKH scenarios adapted to the new rules. So it would probably sort of work on a warband level... at least with some work. It all depends on how things develop though, last I heard, balancing custom scenarios was to be based on something like a points system... but who knows?
Dwarf Kings Hold = Space Hulk in a Dungeon
Dwarf Kings Quest = Heroquest / Warhammer Quest / Descent
However....
There is a currently untitled thought going about right now for Mantic to be making a Games system that is going to bed more warband-ish, like Mordheim or Deadzone/Necromunda. The thought process behind this one is the concept of a Skirmish game set in the grounds of a castle.
Dwarf Kings Hold = Space Hulk in a Dungeon
Dwarf Kings Quest = Heroquest / Warhammer Quest / Descent
However....
There is a currently untitled thought going about right now for Mantic to be making a Games system that is going to bed more warband-ish, like Mordheim or Deadzone/Necromunda. The thought process behind this one is the concept of a Skirmish game set in the grounds of a castle.
Thanks for the info.
That last game sounds perfect. I like the ruleset of Deadzone a lot, but my group has always been fantasy so it never took off. Imperial Assault coming out pretty much killed any momentum I was building with Deadzone.
However, we still have that fantasy itch to scratch..
Ancient Grudge was the warband expansion to the original game.
Considering they were selling the exact sets of figures that were included in that expansion as an add on, I'm going to take a wild guess and assume the rules for the warbands will end up in that KS exclusive rulebook.
Have you thought about looking at the monster manuals and rules for D'n'D 4th? I've often wondered about running a fantasy skirmish based on those books where you simply pick monsters to an XP budget and then run it like a normal combat. It's grid based, very tactical, and reasonably balanced. It might take a long time to play if you get above 20 baddies per side of course, but the minion mechanic exists if you want a horde.
However, we still have that fantasy itch to scratch..
You can still scratch it hear. Go to the Mantic website, not the Kickstarter, and email them. You can get added to the backers list that way.
I had no funds at the time, and didnt have any moneys until well after the backing date and the close, but Mantic say I can still join the list for the pledges and back that way.
Might (hopefully!) be a while, since they still have 2 overdue KS to ship/finish shipping, and a third that is theoretically supposed to start shipping next week. And then a book that's part of one of the other, overdue campaigns.
They'll probably wait and open the PM/survey at the exact same time they start running a new KS. Because Mantic.
Don't want to think about another Mantic survey -_- Pretty sure I skipped some options that I might not have the will to resist when the previous spending is out of mind.
Some new stuff on Quirkworthy, including a new wound mechanic and some balancing of dwarf and barbarian. Basically, you still have 5 wounds, but youll only be affected by the injured modifier once every white circle has been covered. Takes 1 injury for the wizard, 2 for the elf, 3 for the barbarian, and 4 for the dwarf. The dwarf and the barbarian also switched Dice stats, and the dwarfs feat now ties up enemy models for a turn.
They covered it in the last update on November 10th
Finally, an update on the Pledge Manager.
We are working with the folk at Mantic Digital to put together a new system that is both easy for you to use, easy for us to update quickly and can cope with all the demands of our finance and operations team. This is taking some time to get right but we are continually working on getting the system rolling.
We will be asking for about 20 volunteers to test it before we make it live in a couple of weeks’ time. We will need people with an attention to detail and can offer great feedback. Once this system is live, we can capture your contact details, what you want for your pledge – and you’ll be able to add on more if you like. We’ll keep you updated on progress. Thanks for your patience!
A few weeks sounds like they are waiting for new year, not much point in competeing with their own KS or Christmas for peoples funds.
Welcome adventurers to a new Dungeon Saga update!
Update #61
Angels, Daemons and Dragons
In this one, we’ve got news on the Pledge Manager, new concept art for the demi-god Valandor and Undead Demonlord Ba’el, plus a new look at the dragon.
Pledge Manager
Thanks to all of you who have dropped us a message volunteering to help test the pledge manager when it’s released.
This morning we saw an alpha version of the software and progress is moving along swiftly. We’ll have a version out to testers soon and keep you all up to date on when it’s likely to be released. We’re sorry we’ve not been able to get it more quickly.
Clash of the titans
We’ve had some new concept art in from our artists for Valandor and Ba’el. Check them out:
NEW! Valandor Concept
NEW! Ba’el Demonlord Concept
We’ve taken all of the feedback together on the Ba'el discussion and the artist has had another crack:
This miniature is still a work in progress at the moment. Certain bits are too big, some too small, and we may need more definition on the dragon’s skin texture to make sure it survives the transition to physical model. But otherwise he's looking pretty spectacular.
As we said, we’re still working on this moment, so feel free to let us know what you think.
And finally…
If you’re only interested in Dungeon Saga, please stop reading here. We’ll speak again soon! However, if you’re interested in a new Mantic Kickstarter and riding the last phase of the journey again, please keep reading on…
Speaking of the dragon, Valandor and Ba’el, all three of these magnificent beauties have made their way over to our Kings of War Kickstarter Campaign.
Shame the undead Hydra concept didnt make it. wouldve been slightly more unique... but then, it probably wouldnt have fit with the background. Ah well.
Yeah undead hydra was cool until they wanted him to be a demon lord antagonist. Doesn't really jive. Would be a really cool monster to have around though.
Paladin is pretty bulky, looks almost wow-ish.
I'll have to see a render or sculpt for the undead demon thing, it has potential.
Hey everybody,
Recently went to Mantic open day and was lucky enough to play the Alpha rules of Dungeon saga. We have many other videos on the Mantic open day so be awesome if you can check them out too. Thank you for looking
I was a little concerned having bought into this without really looking into the gameplay. The dice seem a little wonky, or at least not what I'm used to, but on the other hand it seems to work pretty well. Definitely doesn't look like I've bought into a lemon so thanks again for sharing the video
Tyr13 wrote: Shame the undead Hydra concept didnt make it. wouldve been slightly more unique... but then, it probably wouldnt have fit with the background. Ah well.
Thats disappointing, I really liked it as something different.
This year one of the most exciting developments to the Mantic range will be Dungeon Saga. It’ll give existing hobbyists a fast, fun, narrative-led dungeon crawl based around a set of stunning models. It is designed to also offer new players an affordable miniature game of the highest quality. The print run is already double the total number for the first edition of DreadBall, which we printed just 2 years ago. That total does not include any copies for our retail partners yet – so it could well be double that again, probably more. I will be surprised if it not the largest print run we have ever done. Fingers crossed.
The development is well underway. In the next few days we will be sending the core rules and quest book from the core game to our rules committee. Once the play testers have had a go at it we will get the beta rules out to all our backers to have a look and read through. As always comments welcome.
Work-in-progress Ba’el, Undead Demon Lord
I spent today going through the Adventurers Companion and that too is shaping up into a fantastic product. It will offer anyone that loves Dungeon Saga a way to dig much deeper into this gaming space. They will use this to create their own adventurers and see their heroes develop and grow into true legends! This will also be a stand-alone product so if someone has lots of figures and a big set of tiles they could use the DS system to play through in true tabletop style!
For anyone who backed this project – quite a few of you if I remember correctly – we have rebuilt the pledge manager from top to bottom. This has taken a little longer than we would have liked but it will be with you in the next week or so. It will also be the pledge manager we will use for Kings of War and other projects in the future, so once you’ve signed up you’ll not need to do it again. And please do read the next few updates for Dungeon Saga that we think you’ll love!
He looks good. - Way more personality than the artwork, in my view. One of the things I was unsure about with him was that the sketch looked more minion-ey than a character.
I did similar since I knew this is my type of game, and even if it wasn't, I'd end up with a pile of pieces that go well with a myriad of other games and systems I've already got.
Pledged for the base game and the bulk of the boxed expansions.
An added bonus is that boardgame plastic tends to be clumsy child proof, which is something often in demand in my household.
Plus, some of those monster boosters were really good deals. Going to stock up on that Abyssal Dwarf booster set especially.
I dropped 200 on it, unless they come up with something *particularly* fancy, or I've had some kind of change of heart by the time we get the manager, I'm good.
Oooh neat march. March 31st would see me having more money than the 1st... but this is still good news. Hopefully it means the KoW 2.0 (or is it 3.0, second kickstarter third book release?), will be started/closed even later just in case.
DaveC wrote: Pledge manager emails going out open until March 1st.
The email says I pledge $0 which is incorrect I haven't got in yet to check
Mine also says $0 once I log in......but has a massive graphic of the pledge level I selected. Not sure if:
a) they fethed up
b) it deducts the value of your stated pledge from the amount you pledged so the $x only represents the extra you need to pledge (as I might have just gone for the pledge level and said "feth it, I'll work out what I want later".....will have to check my spreadsheet)
Got mine submitted. I didn't check to see if I could change it after the fact (and maybe digging for some funds...) but I completed my order as intended and the process was fairly pleasant overall. Got a receipt which very clearly detailed what I purchased and added on. That last part alone makes this leagues better than some of the other surveys we've had from mantic.
Looks like no physical version of the adventure books available due to production costs, I'm sure some people will be unhappy with that as flipping pages *can* be a lot more satisfying than typing your page number into the PDF. Alas.
Gotta say, this is maybe my favorite pledge manager for a project yet. At least in-house. Backerkit I think was even more streamlined the time or two I used it, but this was quite handy.
Looks like no physical version of the adventure books available due to production costs, I'm sure some people will be unhappy with that as flipping pages *can* be a lot more satisfying than typing your page number into the PDF. Alas.
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Those were literally the Mantic products I was most excited about.
Do they have the gall to charge ten bucks for the PDFs? Not that I'm interested in those.
Weren't those just a bonus add-on thing for backers (not sure if it had to be a certain pledge level or anything), I think the only paid option was going to be for physical books but I guess those must have proven too costly to produce.. i guess?
Yeah, I remember that. I *know* the digital versions come with the regular 100 dollar dungeon master pledge. And the physical books were 5 dollar add-ons but were cut. So I'm not sure what kind of hellish limbo that puts you in... Sometimes these things send the digital PDF links to most everyone, I think $1 backers for deadzone got the rules PDF, but there isn't anything written down directly saying it one way or the other. Best bet if you even want the PDFs at all is to use the kickstarter message system to see if you're getting them or if you could get them, or contact Sarah possibly.
I thought there was a 4-pack in resin that had two characters not available elsewhere? The witch was one, I thought there was another, the engineer dwarf maybe? I think the other two slots were repeats available in plastic too, but I could be totally missing here.
The Mars Attacks! stuff I've been working on has got me sold on the material, at least for gaming pieces, so I'm not planning to buy anything in resin if it's available in BG plastic. I'm just wondering which, if any, minis I have no choice but to get in resin.
I think it's the witch and dwarf engineer. Anyone I'm forgetting guys? Oh and the elf with the two swords comes only in resin I think, but he's just attached to the DM pledge anyway.
I believe everything but the jester has at least a render, as far as I could tell. Assassin may or may not have been a concept art I just can't remember right now.
I knew I'd do it -_- Changed my pledge a little, added $50 and went for a second copy of the early bird complete set. Do love my epic games, and having doubles of the heroes will let me go nuts on converting them. So 2x base games + 1 each of the non-undead expansions (since the base games each come with the undead one).
Dropped plans for resin legendary heroes and dice + bag. I think the resin minis will be great, but hard to argue with the much higher value this way. Bring on the epic dungeon bash!
I ended up grabbing the dice bag, I had an early bird and pledged 200 bucks so I had 5 dollars to spend. Was a little tempted by the acrylic counters (as it would probably cost more than $15 at retail to get some) or the wound counters and bone piles... but I really couldn't be bothered to go through another window to enter payment info
The extra payment window wasn't too much of a hassle. My problem was trying to remember what I wanted, originally. After that, my brain was so worn out that I just autopiloted my way through windows and buttons.
On a slightly different subject, did that new and improved Valador thing end up giving us more minis and tiles?
Both yes and no. It didnt give us more minis (since they used to be the extra undead in the base pledge), but they did give us more tiles. According to the graphic anyway.
Btw, anyone else annoyed that Jake *still* hasnt uploaded any new rules? Was really hoping wed get them before the pledgemanager went up... :/
Maybe next week when the rest of us get our invitations.
I kind of with the Halls of Dolgarth came with the acrylic counters. Then I'd really have no excuse not to back.
I had this crazy idea of taking that Black Fortress expansion and turning it into a Skaven stronghold.
There should be those unofficial Kings of War lists for corresponding GW armies, so comparing their KoW stats with the stats of races already in Dungeon Saga, I should be able to have something pretty close.
Of much more entertainment will be getting stats for all the weapon teams. With that Goblin war trombone already in game, again using KoW rules to compare that to various other artillery, I should be able to get some reasonable stats figured out.
Maybe a Verminlord to replace the Tyrant of Halpi....
Or even better would be if there was a rat-man stat range in that adventurer's compendium or whatever it's called...
Tyr13 wrote: Btw, anyone else annoyed that Jake *still* hasnt uploaded any new rules? Was really hoping wed get them before the pledgemanager went up... :/
There is a good reason for this, but unfortunately I can't share specifics, but as someone in for over $200 I feel comfortable with it.
If its a good reason, then why cant you/they share it? I mean, we were told we might get the second draft of the rules toward the kickstarters end... and now it been more than 4 months, during two of which Jake has been completely silent, and the kickstarter updates havent really done more than show us two renders and an ad for the KoW kickstarter... It just feels as though no one really gives a feth.
I mean, you cant tell me the post-kickstarter stuff was well managed. Far too much radio silence, no wip sculpts, no artwork, no rules apart from the wounds change, the complete disaster of a pledgemanager, never mind the time it took them to get it done... Would it have been that difficult to snap a pic of each sculpt, and show us one per week? I know theyre done, Ive seen those pics from the open day... why not put them in an update, but at a resolution that actually allows us to see something? Why not tell us why Jake is quiet, even if its just a nebulous "Hes up to something, and its awesome!" or w/e?
Not having the alpha rules handy, it's hard to compare them.
Things I certainly didn't notice before-
2 types of spells- major and minor. As an action can use either 1 major or 2 minor spells per turn. Major spells need to recharge.
Heroes and monsters can have a spellcaster trait. Lists a bunch of classes that can use spells. Prestidigitators?
Magic Items- can carry a bunch, but they form a stack- only the top ones are available to use for special effects that turn. Sundry items can all be used whenever.
Furniture rules are included, as well as tables for how to destroy them all.
The rules were a very interesting work in progress. I really don't think we were supposed to see those yet. There's lots of notes for what I'm assuming are internal use.
Shame I couldn't snag the adventure book. Really would have liked to see that.
I did read the adventure book part. Was just the scenarios, though one interesting part: In the campaign at least, loot is predetermined. That is, youve got two chests, one contains armour, one two specific potions, for instance. Leveling up in the basic rules is linear, you get specific skills and equipment for each scenario. Most likely different in the advanced rules though, since Jake said something about the progression a while ago...
-Experience cards. The rules call to place relevant experience cards with heroes upon leveling up. Campaign has a linear level up path, while the advanced rules are naturally going to be a bit free form.
-Overlord deck. Made of 12 cards, single use, every time. Each overlord type has a specific deck. In addition to all the current overlords, Abyssal Dwarf Kings and corrupted Elven traitors get mentioned as possible adversaries.
It will be interesting to see if these other overlords will be in future dedicated expansions, or as rules available straight out of the box.
Oh, another thing: How the campaign works. Basically, youve got 15 hours before the necromancer wins. Each scenario takes one "hour".
That gives the heroes about 4 hours more than necessary, I think... so the heroes can lose that often and replay until the necromancer wins the campaign. Which solves the problem of the good guys always winning quite nicely.
Huh so it's like a timed campaign. And it sounds like you could verify an early win condition for the Necromancer that way too. If the heroes lose five scenarios before the end that means they can't possibly get to the end right? Cool.
Yeah, pretty much. Kind of gets around the fact that no one would want to play the bad guy, cause theres no way for him to win... And it still allows the heroes to mess up a couple of times.
The plague have a similar 'default' win condition in the Nexus Psi Deadzone campaign.
The plague start with all the territories and the winner is the person, who after 5 games, controls all the territories.
So, if after 5 games, the goodguys make no real progress at all, or get booted off, the plague win. - Though Nexus Psi is a bit of a weird campaign, heavily biased towards the plague at the start, but it should turn around towards the end.
Yeah, I'm gonna photoshop out the cocktail sticks for the photos I put up. :-)
The goblins are lovely sculpts, and the orclings have loads of character; my favorite is the pair pretending to be big (but still being pretty damn small).
Yeah. Can't see there being any difference in production pieces. Some of the stuff I've done for mantic has been PVC, some styrene, some metal. It's all fine with the right tools. I'm actually contemplating an Orc army for kings of war once I'm done with my perry historicals.
I saw your name with the pictures and it made me happy to see you working on Mantic stuff. Hope to see you turn your hand to Abyssals at the earliest opportunity
So what are thoughts on the stuff that's going to be worthwhile for this thing in the PM? Four $25 expansions plus a $25 book seems a bit excessive for a $90 game.
Are all those "collector's resin" figures included in the base box in boardgame plastic? And are the "game upgrades" additional components, or replacements for the basic components. You'd assume they're additional, but ambiguous language is ambiguous.
I don't know what to say in reply to that except 'it depends'.
At the end of the day, just look at the available lists for the contents of your pledge and run with that. so, for example, the bgplastic of the original heroes are in the box but you can additionally buy the resin versions as well.
However the upgraded versions are not in the box and are only available as collectors resin.
Its worth saying that the Return of Valendor is included in the dungeon master level, so you only need to buy 3 expansions.
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Dungeon Master
Infernal Crypts
The Tyrant of Halpi
The warlord of Galahir
Black Fortress
Acrylic Counters
Resin Counters
Legendary heroes of Renown
Legendary heroes of dolgarth
Legendary heroes of mantica
Azazelx wrote: What do you mean by "upgraded versions"? Different stats, or just nicer resin models?
It looks like for the non-RPG part of the game, heroes have two statuses, the second of which is "Legendary". So in theory when you reach that point and flip over the stat card you could use the resin model that I assume will match the artwork.
It doesn't bother me enough to order the resins myself (which is odd as I'm generally quite completionist, but whatevs).
Yes, the resins are different "legendary" sculpts of the basic heroes - aside from different poses (I'd assume!), this means more eyepatches, flowing robes, crowns, beards, spikey helmets, codpieces.
For sheer content, I'd go for the two $25 expansions with minions (Infernal Crypts & Warlord). The book is simply a hardcover that combines the Adventurer's Companion (the RPG part of the game in the base box) and Dungeon Journal (all of the Kickstarter Exclusive scenarios you're also getting), just like the Mars Attacks and Deadzone hardcovers.
If you want to push to $200 in total (Crypts, Warlord, Dragon & Black Fortress + some $10 critters or tokens or something), you get the $30 hardcover book added for free.
Thanks for the info, guys. I don't yet trust Mantic again enough yet that I'm willing to pay their asking price for characters or resin models based on line art. Zombie Troll shaman might be doable for 8 bucks, given that the sculpt is already out there and it's less likely to be tiny than the average Mantic figure.
So.. three expansions. Black Fortress and Dolgarth look pretty similar - the same scenic pieces plus some differing floor tiles? Are the BF and Dolgarth expansion set tiles unique to those sets or something - or taken from the base game? (as they seem to be "size" expansion packs rather then scenario packs)
I'd wonder if double-Dungeon Master might be a better way to get extra tiles and doors and such, especially as it comes with Valendor, and I assume the base game would come with significantly more tiles than an expansion pack?
Dolgarth is basically a double set of what already comes with the boxed game. For people who want to make extra big dungeons. I think the tiles are the primary component of those sets in terms of what you're paying for.
I'm pretty sure base game == halls of dolgarth (or whatever it's called) and the black fortress is the same size.
Yes, my understanding is that Dolgarth is an exact scenery/tile/token repeat of what comes with the base game, and Black Fortress has the same amount of scenery but a different tile set with different artwork. It also has some specific scenarios written for it in the Dungeon Journal, although I imagine that you'd largely be able to sub in the default scenery.
Double base game is a pretty good way to go, because it obviously has the biggest bang for buck ratio, and you can definitely use:
- extra tiles for custom scenarios
- extra monsters (you would now have almost the same number of orcs & demons that the paid-for expansions come with).
- doubles of heroes (you can now differentiate between normal & legendary versions with the paint job and minor conversion work).
About the only semi-redundant part would be the boss monsters, and even then you can treat one set as the named scenario characters, and another as generic leaders.
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Not telling us forced our hands on this one. Meaning when we recover later we might want to add even more instead of saying "I'll worry about it later" (which is what I and I'm sure a lot of others would have done). It's a way for them to maximise their sales/money intake.
It's all in the presentation. They're selling it as "hey guys, don't stress, we'll open another one if you didn't manage this one." Maybe it's just cynical bastards like us who take it this way due to it being announced 2 days before the PM closes...
I actually haven't had any time to go through the manager, due to a busy work/life schedule. So I'm glad it'll be made a "round two" for people like me. It lets me not stress about getting my shinier.
timetowaste85 wrote: I actually haven't had any time to go through the manager, due to a busy work/life schedule. So I'm glad it'll be made a "round two" for people like me. It lets me not stress about getting my shinier.
Similar for me but more of a 'I think i will sit this one out at my $1 pledge'. So giving more time before a 'round 2' gives mantic more time to prove the ruleset and minis before I throw them any coin.
With Myth and Shadows over Brimstone in my hand I dont really need more and I cant bring myself to think of using the models in KoW or other games either as I hate restic and i still dont have confidence in what will actually be hard plastic sprues, what will be restic and what will even be metal as things have changed in the past for other KS so they might change again.
Nothing in Dungeon Saga is restic. Dungeon Saga is going to be in the other plastic, used in the Dreadball Xtreme minis (as opposed to the restic in Original Dreadball).
This other plastic seems perfectly fine to me. I don't even seem to really want to call it 'boardgame plastic' either, because it seems to have a very different feel to it from the 'boardgame plastic' used in Mars Attacks.
timetowaste85 wrote: I actually haven't had any time to go through the manager, due to a busy work/life schedule. So I'm glad it'll be made a "round two" for people like me. It lets me not stress about getting my shinier.
I was actually very similar and basically just made myself go through it the other week, so I can completely see where you're coming from there.
I originally backed this but had to bail due to a huge sudden bill, and resigned myself to missing out. However a friend got us both in on the playtest at mantic HQ last month, and by the end of the day I was sold, absolutely sold. It is a snappy, delightful game that with clear instructions plays extremely well.
The figures blow their previous releases away, which I know had mixed reception.
I got permission to add my original pledge onto my friend's KS account ("please allow me to give you more money" is a tough request) and scraped my sofa cushions to get in on time for Sunday's cut off... only to find out about the second pledge manager. I guess I don't have to worry about it in the future, but I do feel a bit played.
I'll be playtesting again on Saturday if anyone would like to ask a question, or I can pass one on. I'm pretty shy but I'll do my best to get an answer.
We played almost entirely with proxy figures and tiles, and photocopied rules, so I'm afraid I took no pictures.
Buttery Commissar wrote: I originally backed this but had to bail due to a huge sudden bill, and resigned myself to missing out. However a friend got us both in on the playtest at mantic HQ last month, and by the end of the day I was sold, absolutely sold. It is a snappy, delightful game that with clear instructions plays extremely well.
The figures blow their previous releases away, which I know had mixed reception.
Mymearan wrote: That's very interesting Buttery. Could you give a few more details about the game and why you liked it so much? Might convince me to up my $1 pledge
Haha! So far as your pledge, I am certainly not here to sell the game, though I do have an interest in justifying my own purchase (to myself if nobody else). Do bear in mind I'm not the most eloquent or experienced of gamers, but I'll try to expand.
When I say it is "snappy", I mean that you can learn the mechanics inside the first few turns, and after that it becomes relatively seamless. I don't mean that is becomes a thoughtless "throw dice; win game", I mean the mechanics do not get in the way of enjoying anything. We rarely needed to check or open the rulebook after grasping it, at most consulting the cards for potions or skills to make sure we could get the most bang for their use.
Each scenario provided thus far is remarkably well balanced, it can be down to the last turn who wins - can your heroes take out the troll with their final strike before the game ends? There are three foes between you and the gate, but you only have two actions. Time to push those Heroic abilities. Twice I found myself furiously scraping strategy out of the back of my brain to take the game on the final dice roll. Wins feel deserved, earned and not fluked. Despite the heroes getting lavished with cool things they can do, you don't feel under appreciated as the villain - you can set traps, ruin their strategies, and you know what's behind the next door.
Playing co-operatively vs the Dungeonmaster and playing 1 on 1 are beautifully different experiences. It becomes testing without being too frustrating.
Multiplayer can either become an exercise in RPG style team coordination, or hilariously chaotic very quickly. Especially when you figure in that the games are timed, you must consider heroics versus the end goal. This is when it becomes a symbiote of RPG and board game, especially with progressive characters and scenarios. It's immersive, and whilst it wouldn't replace a combat mechanic section for an RPG, it could certainly allow you to experiment.
Cinematic type play comes in when you gain more skills. For example when we played the levelled up heroes, my barbarian had a (single use?) skill that allowed him to move on and attack again after each successful kill. We were down to the wire on time, with one turn remaining, and there were a batch of nasties blocking the exit. Only one person needed to get to the door, but you cannot pass through adjacent tiles around enemies without stopping. I took the gamble of using the skill, needing to chain 4-5 kills to clear the room enough for the party to get clear. We were cheering on the tiny barbarian to sweep up... He succeeded! And then we just had to hope the fething door wasn't going to keep us locked in when the next player got there.
So far as accessibility, there were parents there who agreed they could easily teach their children to play, but the handbook and character progression can add enough crunch to give your play pieces depth enough to care about them. I am satisfied that I could teach my non gaming parents to play, but also have weeks and weeks of campaign on a Monday with my friends.
I will say there is something extremely cool and extremely special that only Kickstarter Backers will be given. As I understand it, there will be no way for someone buying later in store or online to receive this. If there's any left over I imagine they will be scarce.
We were specifically asked not to reveal what it is. Mantic will reveal in time. I can tell you what it isn't - it's not a spare figure, a PDF or something as forgettable as an exclusive character card.
If I'm unclear, or didn't cover what you were curious about, please let me know.
Buttery Commissar wrote: We were specifically asked not to reveal what it is. Mantic will reveal in time. I can tell you what it isn't - it's not a spare figure, a PDF or something as forgettable as an exclusive character card.
A free pet ferret for all backers? Finally a KS that gets it!
Extremely cool and extremely special, huh? And not a figure, pdf or character card? Weird... I cant really think of much that isnt one of those things... kind of sucks that people who can just go to Nottingham on a whim get to know while the rest of us are stuck with vague hints... :/
Have you guys seen the figure for the dragon expansion? Bar in mind I don't get the KS emails, They had one out and painted, and I have to say that it was so impressive that one of my mates pledged to just get the figure. I'm sure the paintjob sold it, but hot-damn it makes my insides happy.
Tyr13 wrote: Extremely cool and extremely special, huh? And not a figure, pdf or character card? Weird... I cant really think of much that isnt one of those things... kind of sucks that people who can just go to Nottingham on a whim get to know while the rest of us are stuck with vague hints... :/
Aye, it is a bummer. There were people who'd come from abroad, though. I am not exactly local to the area (different county). Though I don't think it's unfair to reward a sneak peek to folks driving over and putting in 10am to 6pm.
Yes it was playing games, but it was also about having to keep half a mind on the task at hand, stop playing, annotate, critically look at things. We all know that brain no likey full-day tournaments!
I will say that the lack of updates and clarity over when you'd all receive the beta rules was a disappointing move on their part. They had people coming back from playtest to growls of "It's been Saturday for 18 hours, where are the rules?"
For the record we didn't keep any of the rules on the day, they weren't policed but they were annotated and handed back in. I would assume (because I've not seen them) the PDF rules are not full of huge panels of:
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Put some text about positioning here (Staff member) Put some text about positioning here (Staff member) Put some text about positioning here (Staff member)
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Regarding the surprise, I think it was a canny little hype-builder if nothing else. Could even have been if we'd been a few days earlier they couldn't have shown us, it's still definitely in the works.
^he said it was a super secret surprise that only kickstarted backers would get. People asked with their ideas, I asked with mine. Also, it happened before coffee kicked in at work.
Well... regarding the text panels full of editing stuff... they did mess up and copy and paste one of the two scenarios twice (that is, the text from scenario two is exactly te same as the text for scenario one.)
Which is a pretty major [MOD EDIT - Language, please! - Alpharius], considering.
Replies to this topic seem to be invisible today? I'm confused. Last one I see was last week, despite knowing there's a couple made today.
We did indeed play the expansions today! There were only 8 of us doing that, and each pair has a different expansion. My friends played the Tyrant (dragon) expansion and I played the sequel to the main game, the continuation of the Necromancer story.
The scenarios and stories are very varied, with clever situations like boss monsters that are lurking around each "chapter" but don't fight you fully until the end scene. The conditions for winning each chapter vary, with some requiring an escape, some requiring you to survive in a room until the end, and some hunting down the exit.
The rules become more advanced without becoming crunchy - the necromancer gains more tricks, some monsters have AoE attacks, or can affect terrain.
I also asked, and I can tell you what the surprise is! There hasn't been an official announcement, but I double checked in person with Luke @ Mantic if it was okay to tell anyone. He said yes. I will remove this info if anyone objects, because I was previously told it was super secret squirrel.
Spoiler:
The box for the Kickstarter release of game is going to be in the shape of a giant book/tome. It will be packed to sit upright on a bookcase! We were told the expansions from the KS will also be "hopefully", and there will be a third "book" release that is empty, to store your painted figures.
I've seen the prototype, it's well shaped and I trust them to manage it well. They are very conscious of their brand aesthetic: they held applications for designers in the past year and a requisite was an understanding of such.
Can anyone tell me which figures have been shown? The dragon? Valandar? The infernals?
[scratches head]
I have seen the entire base pledge, dragon, etc and scenery painted up. They're stunning, I'm suspecting a pro studio did them.
So why haven't they used them to pump up the backers?
The Dragon is one of the best out there without getting into large kits. It's fluid without being snakey, holds a real presence on the table. It doesn't suffer from the static posing many "claw raised, mouth snarling" (or what my friends uncharitably call "Sandra Garrity stock-pose") of others.
Valandar(sp) is beautifully simple and elegant whilst towering over other figures. His figure has movement without being ridiculous. I hate to draw comparisons, but think of the simplicity of Sigvald the Magnificent but taller, more active, and less inherently dickish.
Mymearan wrote: That's very interesting Buttery. Could you give a few more details about the game and why you liked it so much? Might convince me to up my $1 pledge
Anyone who doesnt want their pledge can transfer it to me. I want in but cant, and didn't think of doing a $1 and buy in later at the time.
Mantic said they would include me and a few other lates, but I never heard anything, but Mantic did let someone sell their pledge on Boardgamegeek when they needed out. Admittedly that wasnt a $1 pledge, more like $300, but I couldn't buy in for that much, but I could buy in and then expand it to what I wanted.
He can add you if they're still doing that. As of yesterday he was still offering.
I was asked to do so before I found my pet chemist was able to let me piggyback on his pledge. YMMV, good luck with your emailing.
He can add you if they're still doing that. As of yesterday he was still offering.
I was asked to do so before I found my pet chemist was able to let me piggyback on his pledge. YMMV, good luck with your emailing.
I found a way in thank you. Because I was promised a late entry in September when I phoned up Mantic I talked about it and sent copy of documentation to a new separate address within Mantic head office given over the phone.
Mantic honoured the deal because the staffer who made the promise is no longer there and that accounts for why it wasn't actioned in good time..
The guy who did however is getting 'scowled at' apparently, as the Pledge Manager is formally closed so when I asked to disclose the method of entry to others who wanted in he said no. So it looks like I am the last in the door then.
There are a number of $1 pledgers though here and elsewhere, piggybacking should still be an option, but you have to decide now.
This is now going to wipe me out until next payday, but it will be worth it.
Be careful with the pledge manager, guys. Whilst you can still adjust and add to it, any additional submissions after the first will charge you for the full order again.
So adding a $15 dragon to a paid-up $100 pledge will bill you $115, and not finalise unless you pay again. We ended up having to phone Mantic to get this amended individually. I do not know if emailing would help.
To add to my Heroquest wait. I am getting used to this.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Which Mantic employee is no longer there? Was it James? Fisty? Spill the dirt!
Chris Nicholls no longer works for Mantic. He promised me a pledge account in September 'in a few weeks'.
I phoned yesterday sent details to the person I spoke to and the pledge manager was actioned by email.
I cannot say who I got the current offer from though as that door is intended to be shut.
I thank Mantic for honouring their promise back in September.
Be careful with the pledge manager, guys. Whilst you can still adjust and add to it, any additional submissions after the first will charge you for the full order again.
So adding a $15 dragon to a paid-up $100 pledge will bill you $115, and not finalise unless you pay again. We ended up having to phone Mantic to get this amended individually. I do not know if emailing would help.
There will be only one shot to get it right, and a limited budget anyway.
I am still debating my final purchase even though, though I have been thinking about it for a long time, due to not being sure exactly how much I can spend on the day.
I will have the money banked tomorrow and am looking at:
Dungeon Master $100
Warlord of Galahir $25
Infernal Crypts $25
Tyrant of Halpi $25
Black Fortress $25
Resin Counter upgrade $10
Dungeon Traps $8
Collectors edition hardback (Free with over $200 spent)
I might have to drop Dungeon Traps if the exchange rate to USD is not favourable.
I am also looking twice at Black Fortress, I will spend that $25 to go over $200, though I need not, but extra tiles, do I need them. I will have bonus tiles in the other three boxsets.
So far I am thinking yes because of the Black Fortress scenarios promised in the Dungeon Master level. However I could spend that cash on miniatures instead, Crypt stalkers, or one of the resin upgraded heroes packs.
Decisions, decisions.
More campaigns,more quests, more tiles, more furniture, more everything.
All of that will further whatever devious dungeons you crawl, be they random ones or overlord designed ones.
Between the expansions and the base pledge I would imagine you'd have more than enough figures, plus who knows how many hordes of figures you've already got in your collection.
Plus you may still be able to get more figures when they reopen the pledge manager. Hopefully.
I'm pretty sure I used VISA in my Dungeon Saga pledge manager.
Though, it's worth saying that with paypal, you can pick the other option that is, 'charge me in dollars and I'll go with whatever my bank charges.'
Though, yeah, paypal really do try to scare you out of picking that option, but everytime I've done it, it's ended up being in the region of £5+ cheaper than Paypal's scheme.
Oh well, today is the day and the pound chooses today to dip against the dollar.
Just my luck.
Had the pledge account actioned today though, so I will be in.
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Yeah, I would recommend waiting for them to open again... As I said above, adding more items and resubmitting the PM just doubles your cost and asks you to pay again..
Remember you need to spend OVER $200 to qualify, I would nudge just over the line to be safe. Buy a dice bag or something.
My loadout came to $210, were it not for the offer I would have bought less, probably avoiding the Black Fortress and resin counters, though the counters were tempting anyway.
When I did my order the Collectors edition hardback didn't show up on the shopping cart, I decided to just continue without and put a note on the delivery instructions; then emailed Mantic.
Eventually they replied:
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To: <Mantic> Subject: Free Hardback Companion
<Mantic>,
The Hardback companion free with over $200 USD could not be purchased except at full price. Can you confirm that I will be able to get my hardback copy. I bought the Black Fortress primarily to qualify for this.
Notification has been added to my delivery notes.
<me>
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From: <Mantic> Sent: 24 March 2015 10:13
To: <me> Subject: FW: Free Hardback Companion
Hi,
Sorry for the late reply.
The hardback book will be added automatically from our end if you spend $200 or over so you don't have to worry about it.
Thanks,
<Mantic> Community Manager
Mantic Games
www.manticgames.com
So it looks like you just put in your order, qualify and then get your hardback. Allowing for its regular price its a good idea to budge your order up, hardback books are expensive now, and it lookslike it will be fairly big.
Video, showing the book style packaging and sneaky Dragon!
I was wrong about the book casing being KS exclusive, and I'm really sorry. At the first playtest it was explained to us that way, but it looks like they changed for a more viable plan.
BUT there is an exclusive deal where if you buy all 3 expansions for the KS you get an extra book case free for all your swag.
Also the pledge manager is now re-opened until Friday. So you can swag it up further...
For folks like me that don't get the emails, check out the new update . Photos!
Well I got to see the dragon. It's different, much more bulky than most.
I wonder if other dragons rib him for being so fat. Been eating the wrong maidens probably.
Going far stronger than I thought, I guess people really want that dragon.
Though I don't think it's unfair to reward a sneak peek to folks driving over and putting in 10am to 6pm.
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