Wasn't it Dentry that was all Sophia Drake Crazy during this campaign?

Where is he now?!?

No it was me, she looks great, but I was off at work the whole day to reply.

I wonder when or how can i get her....

Everything will be available at launch - all the KS stuff plus these 2 minis.

Sometime in June or July?

Maybe?

Man I hope RRT can finally get done now.

 Alpharius wrote:
Everything will be available at launch - all the KS stuff plus these 2 minis.

Sometime in June or July?

Maybe?

It was more a pondering about shipping costs, I wonder if any retailer will bring it on this side of the Atlantic.

Ah, gotcha!

I'd have to think that someone will.

Wayland most likely?

Wayland Games still have a tiny Relic Knights section and stock SDE so I'd say they will probably stock the new stuff.

Valiant Games also stock all the SDE stuff even more so than Wayland so they might look into stociking RK as well?

Last update-
"We have great news for everyone today—All models have been completed!

They are now all in the final stages of quality control and getting their final packaging. That process should be completed around the 15th. All product will then head out to CoolMiniOrNot's fulfillment centers to begin the process of shipping out to all of you."
Today is the 16th, so if everything went according to plan, things should be shipping out soon. Unfortunately, no update yet so... Just thought I'd bring it up.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Last update-
"We have great news for everyone today—All models have been completed!

They are now all in the final stages of quality control and getting their final packaging. That process should be completed around the 15th. All product will then head out to CoolMiniOrNot's fulfillment centers to begin the process of shipping out to all of you."
Today is the 16th, so if everything went according to plan, things should be shipping out soon. Unfortunately, no update yet so... Just thought I'd bring it up.

We knew back here:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The end is in sight

Update #115 ℹ

Apr 5 2014

Manufacturing Complete!


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We have great news for everyone today—All models have been completed!

They are now all in the final stages of quality control and getting their final packaging. That process should be completed around the 15th. All product will then head out to CoolMiniOrNot's fulfillment centers to begin the process of shipping out to all of you.

Soda Pop and CoolMiniOrNot will continue providing updates as they come available. The Darkspace Calamity comes!

Candy Heart

We would like to thank everyone who participated in our poll to choose the pose for Candy Heart. In the end Candy Charging won by a hair. We are finalizing her sculpt now. She will then go off to the 3D printer to create the masters for the molds. Once we've begun production we will provide all backers with their $15 credit in the Soda Pop Store. You may then use that credit to get your copy of Candy Heart or apply it to any other item in the store.

Happy Gaming!

Deke, Soda Pop Miniatures

...but your excitement and enthusiasm are appreciated - I can't wait to get this stuff in hand too!

Understood, I was merely bringing it to attention that today is the 16th, and I was curious about the possible discussion around the fact we have not had an update about everything being handed over to CMON yet.

Ah, I got ya now!

I asked on the KS page - I haven't seen an answer yet...

On the thread on the Soda Pop forums Deke said

Hey, hey I should have an update Thursday/Friday. Just need to get through these last 12 hours of Kickstarter and hear back on a couple things.


my guess is the whole team is asleep now after the SDE KS finish, and we might hear something on Friday

(even if we do an official update via the KS is probably a week or so away based on how long CMON have taken to post recent updates Soda Pop have written up)

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
No it was me, she looks great, but I was off at work the whole day to reply.

I wonder when or how can i get her....

No! Twas I that still longs for Sophia.

Been a bit busy lately. In fact, today is the first real chance I've had to relax in the past ~3 weeks.

It's good to see that closure is almost in hand. I'll be purchasing the Sophia Drake as soon as I can, maybe combine her with the $15 credit for Candy Heart and have it shipped to me in the same box.

I thought it was you Dentry!

The finish line is almost in sight!

I have from a little bird that the first relic knights container is being unpacked as we speak in balmy Alpharetta Georgia.

Jussayin. :-P

How is that possible when they were supposed to be doing quality control and packaging until the 15th? Or do you mean some prior components and not those that were still being worked on and yet to leave China?

 RiTides wrote:
How is that possible when they were supposed to be doing quality control and packaging until the 15th? Or do you mean some prior components and not those that were still being worked on and yet to leave China?

I didn't ask for specifics. Deke said production was done, what, 5 days ago? Remember they were air freighting them over.

I think Rhode Island Tides forgot that part cincy!

 Alpharius wrote:
I think Rhode Island Tides forgot that part cincy!

I've always wondered what his name stood for.

Glad to hear they're still chugging along with delivery apparently, with no snags so far.

Could this mean my may 1st prediction many months ago could come true?

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Could this mean my may 1st prediction many months ago could come true?

I hope so. You'll probably be right(with no further snags anyway).

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I think Rhode Island Tides forgot that part cincy!

I've always wondered what his name stood for.

Glad to hear they're still chugging along with delivery apparently, with no snags so far.

It doesn't actually stand for that!

Shouldn't the Australian orders be arriving then, as they were being shipped direct?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I think Rhode Island Tides forgot that part cincy!

I've always wondered what his name stood for.

Glad to hear they're still chugging along with delivery apparently, with no snags so far.

It doesn't actually stand for that!

Doesn't matter- It does now!

Container 1 had black diamond, SDEs and LEs and tokens.

That leaves a lot of stuff still on its way...

But, the good news being it certainly looks like they can hit that June/July date!

SPM_Deke wrote:Hey, hey,

Here is the quick update and we'll have a full update on the KS soon. Packaging is finished and now CMoN is doing the final logistics to get everything into their various fulfillment locations. Once that is sorted everything will head out to the fulfillment locations, through customs, etc. They are currently anticipating to start shipping around the 3rd week of May.

Things begin shipping a little later than I was hoping but not far off from what we were guessing. I suppose it will give cmon plenty of time to finish kaosball and zombicide fulfillment before they start on RK.

 Dais wrote:

SPM_Deke wrote:Hey, hey,

Here is the quick update and we'll have a full update on the KS soon. Packaging is finished and now CMoN is doing the final logistics to get everything into their various fulfillment locations. Once that is sorted everything will head out to the fulfillment locations, through customs, etc. They are currently anticipating to start shipping around the 3rd week of May.

Things begin shipping a little later than I was hoping but not far off from what we were guessing. I suppose it will give cmon plenty of time to finish kaosball and zombicide fulfillment before they start on RK.

Zombicide is done in the US. So too, I believe, is Kaosball.

What's another 3 months between friends?

The second wave of Rivet Wars stuff should be fairly soon. That makes me more okay with the May(be) or June/July estimates. If they intend to have Candy Heart done by the time everything's on it's way to us, then it'll probably be later than sooner.

How do you get a refund? I've been getting the SPM runaround.

They're about to start shipping, I doubt they'll give out refunds this late in the game.

CMoN seem to be sitting on the update that they've been sent (wouldn't be the first time)

in the mean time Deke posted some pictures









The Prefects have always been a bit slighter in proportion but I think there's a bit of restic shrinkage going on as well :(

RESTIC!!!!

(shakes fist at the heavens)

I actually think the Prefects and Hasami look a little better I those photographs. Might just be me though.

I hope they took all that extra time to get the restic casting right as I wouldn't want another sedition wars esque binning on my hands.

 DaveC wrote:
CMoN seem to be sitting on the update that they've been sent (wouldn't be the first time)

Or maybe it's a Saturday.......

 cincydooley wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
CMoN seem to be sitting on the update that they've been sent (wouldn't be the first time)

Or maybe it's a Saturday.......

They managed to post this one on a Saturday

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/relic-knights/posts/800729?at=BAh7CDoMcG9zdF9pZGkD2TcMSSIIdWlkBjoGRVRpAyRHKUkiC2V4cGlyeQY7BlRJIhgyMDE0LTA1LTA1IDAyOjQxOjI2BjsGVA%3D%3D--72b71634923dd6084767c617cd0ccc1acf87f73b&ref=backer_project_update

I'm not saying it's always been the case but CMoN have sometimes taken weeks to post updates they have been sent in the past - I know of one that took 6 weeks the timing of the update wasn't exactly critical but still along time to have it.

Anyway I'm sure this one will turn up early next week

 Alpharius wrote:
RESTIC!!!!

(shakes fist at the heavens)

if this is a sedwars repeat,

I'm going to go postal on my minis.

BBQ lighter ready!

Man, you must get some really messed up packages in the mail!

 Wehrkind wrote:
Man, you must get some really messed up packages in the mail!

I got a toenail in one of my sedition wars bags in the second wave.

I also once got a dead fly from China too.

We knew it would be pvc from the start. They stated they were going to use the same factory as Privateer Press before the kickstarter even ended.

 Dais wrote:
We knew it would be pvc from the start. They stated they were going to use the same factory as Privateer Press before the kickstarter even ended.

I've never touched the stuff until I got Sedition Wars.

It was nightmare to clean up.

Still great bases and doors.

 Piston Honda wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
Man, you must get some really messed up packages in the mail!

I got a toenail in one of my sedition wars bags in the second wave.

I also once got a dead fly from China too.

You should eBay them as limited edition collector's items!

"Kick Starter exclusive! Tim McVey's toenail clippings!"

 Piston Honda wrote:

 Dais wrote:
We knew it would be pvc from the start. They stated they were going to use the same factory as Privateer Press before the kickstarter even ended.

I've never touched the stuff until I got Sedition Wars.

It was nightmare to clean up.

Still great bases and doors.

It wasn't that bad.

Its much better than anything Mantic's offered up.

I personally think "nightmare" is a bit of an overstatement.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 Dais wrote:
We knew it would be pvc from the start. They stated they were going to use the same factory as Privateer Press before the kickstarter even ended.

I've never touched the stuff until I got Sedition Wars.

It was nightmare to clean up.

Still great bases and doors.

It wasn't that bad.

Its much better than anything Mantic's offered up.

I personally think "nightmare" is a bit of an overstatement.

No, it really was that bad, and know for a fact I am not alone. Thus the whole debacle.

I won't touch mantic stuff ever again, Just the quality of sculpts is dead dog sh!t.

I know fantasy isn't king in the world of Tabletop Gaming, but Mantic has had a golden opportunity to be the king of mass fantasy battles but seem to squander it time and time again with piss poor sculpts. Every now and then they make some that really make you "That is awesome".

But most of the time, I feel as thought the creative team for mantic are the same people who wrote and directed Sharknado.


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 Wehrkind wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
Man, you must get some really messed up packages in the mail!

I got a toenail in one of my sedition wars bags in the second wave.

I also once got a dead fly from China too.

You should eBay them as limited edition collector's items!

"Kick Starter exclusive! Tim McVey's toenail clippings!"

you have to wonder how something like that is possible to get in their in the first place.

No where near as bad as my sister getting a beetle in her Ramen soup.

 Piston Honda wrote:

No, it really was that bad, and know for a fact I am not alone. Thus the whole debacle.

I also know I wasn't alone. Again, I don't think cleaning the Sediton wars models was bad at all. And the design and art direction, at the very least, is heads and shoulders above Mantic.

But most of the time, I feel as thought the creative team for mantic are the same people who wrote and directed Sharknado.

No disagreement there.

Oh, the art design and sculptures (metal and resin specifically) were fantastic, IMP, SedWars has top 5 in terms of that in the world of wargaming IMO. Kara, Samaritans, those heavy armor troopers. FANTASTIC.

Fact they are not ham fisted makes them that much better.

The Restic loss quite a bit of detail, more than I would have liked, but given the method of production and their goal to produce large quantities on the cheap I have no problem with it. The material is just not a good choice. Especially for a box of 50 miniatures. A piece of terrain or a handful of miniatures I could see.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Oh, the art design and sculptures (metal and resin specifically) were fantastic, IMP, SedWars has top 5 in terms of that in the world of wargaming IMO. Kara, Samaritans, those heavy armor troopers. FANTASTIC.

Fact they are not ham fisted makes them that much better.

The Restic loss quite a bit of detail, more than I would have liked, but given the method of production and their goal to produce large quantities on the cheap I have no problem with it. The material is just not a good choice. Especially for a box of 50 miniatures. A piece of terrain or a handful of miniatures I could see.

Restic is going to loose more detail with a smaller model, larger stuff works pretty well for it. From what I've seen of Relic Knight stuff most of the models are substantually larger then the models people had problems with in Sedition Wars.

This isn't the first time Soda Pop has worked with restic, their entire SDE line is done with the material and at the same factory I belive. For now I'm willing to go with the flow and wait to judge their stuff.

The stuff looked good at Adepticon....

 cincydooley wrote:
The stuff looked good at Adepticon....

Those were the resins, weren't they? They had them at Templecon too.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
The stuff looked good at Adepticon....

Those were the resins, weren't they? They had them at Templecon too.

The Noh dragon and stuff right? They were at last year's Gencon too.

They had what certainly looked to be 'production' "plastics" in the case too - for the Doctrine faction, I think?

And yeah, they did look good...

 Cyporiean wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
The stuff looked good at Adepticon....

Those were the resins, weren't they? They had them at Templecon too.

Nope. They had production plastics of a few of the factions.

I have seen a few faction plastics on various web stores, mostly a few of the oni and speed circuit bikes, so it might have been those.

Isn't there supposed to be an update out?

Soda Pop sent it to CMON to put up a week or so ago, but no sign of it yet

Deke is, however, carrying on posting his own amateur photos of some of the unseen before stuff on the soda pop forum

Near as I can tell from fuzzy, unfocused pictures the first and third ninja look cool, but the second looks a little wonky... Might just be the pose.

Deke does make a point of saying he's not a great photographer made worse by having a new camera he isn't comfortable with yet

Black Diamond breaker team

Is his backpack not on his back?

 Alpharius wrote:
Is his backpack not on his back?

No, I think it's on his back. Just an odd camera angle...

I'd like to see some of these models primed and washed so I can get a better idea of the actual detail.

It's on his back- he just has the shoulder armor on that side, and the grey plastic merges it all together to the eye.

Right you are!

Good catch, and thanks for pointing it out!

I remain strangely excited for all of this...

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I actually think the Prefects and Hasami look a little better I those photographs. Might just be me though.

Hasami's face looks like she flew a bit close to the sun or is being possessed by some kind of ugly warp entity.



Could be camera tricks, and I hope it is just a bad picture, but everything else looks alright at least.

 Dentry wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I actually think the Prefects and Hasami look a little better I those photographs. Might just be me though.

Hasami's face looks like she flew a bit close to the sun or is being possessed by some kind of ugly warp entity.



Could be camera tricks, and I hope it is just a bad picture, but everything else looks alright at least.

Wow, did not notice that before. I may be corrected then. Still glad I didn't get Doctrine- they seem to have been hit the hardest with odd design choices(clown shoes everywhere for instance).

Deke stated on the forums he was learning to use the new studio camera and that his photos are not official studio photography so I am certain there's some less-than-optimal photography at play. Hasami might also have gotten the worst from changing mediums as well.

It's also important to note that the faces are intentionally 'anime' in design

so cartoony rather than ultra-realistic detailed 'real' faces so the noses especially won't look normal

Sunken-in and hollowed out eyes are (generally) absent in anime and manga though...

No sign of the update a week on anyway more pics from Deke

The face reminds me of one of the worst movies I've ever seen as a kid in the 90s



whatever you call these things from Warriors of Virtue. Kangaroo people?

I don't think I'm looking forward to this...

I still am. Of course the stuff me and my buds went in on seems pretty decent from what we've seen so far. (Noh Empire, Black Diamond, and Cerci Speed Circuit). Of course that could all change when it hits the doorstep. Still optimistic though.

I am still torn on whether I will sell these as soon as they hit my doorstep. I really like a few of the models, and I was really excited to play the game before, but lately I just can't quite get past wanting a dozen other things instead.

Rin Farrah, Suicide Queen and Rollo



In other news Jeanne Romee will be packaged with Navarre Hauer for retail MSRP $28 September release date - no word yet if she will get a separate release KS backers don't need another Navarre
Sophie Drake is a single mini pack $13 MSRP July release
Dahon is $60 MSRP - ouch August release
Mamaro To $22 MSRP July release
Noh Hatriya Warrior Models $28 for 2 July release

Those release months might slip a bit

That's an...interesting pose for riding a jetbike! Or even standing up.

I also have to say that it feels a bit strange Kickstarting a game for a fair chunk of change, waiting 2 years and then not actually owning a big proportion of the models for a given faction upon release. I completely understand the reasons for this, but I think it only adds to the sense of disconnect people are feeling.

Finally, I don't have a good idea of standard market prices for this stuff, but isn't $13 for a single 28mm miniature in 'boardgame restic' (akin to Sedition Wars) a little on the mad side? I suppose it retroactively makes the Kickstarter a fantastic deal, but I do worry a bit about buying this stuff at retail, particularly in the UK.

Really nice to see everything finally becoming concrete though!

Was not expecting the Suicide Queen to be in that different of a pose. That seems a bit awkward... Hoping painted pics look better.

What makes you think you won't have a large portion of models for your faction? I was under the impression that we got at least enough for a game with the stretch goal addons to the faction starters.

Oh, we'll definitely have enough for even quite large games, even just with the Kickstarter starters alone - I'm more referring to people who went 'all in' (which even I didn't quite do myself) having gaps in their collection as soon as this thing launches. Your Noh warband is going to have a huge dragon-thing-shaped hole in it! Your Black Dragons will keenly feel the absence of Sophia Drake - that kind of thing.

It's much less of a problem if Sodapop improve their European distribution, as then you can just buy the extras fairly easily at retail without eye-watering shipping rates/duty.

I don't think the Kickstarter was meant to encompass every miniature for the life of the game - at least, I certainly hope it wasn't!

I'm more than OK with purchasing both the Dragon and Sophia "after the fact" - provided everything looks good in terms of the rest of the models we're getting.

I'm hoping RK has a bit of life in it - I'm looking forward to a fun and fast paced Skirmish scale SF game!

Princess Malya (she will have a purple base, it just went MIA before Deke took the picture)

Looks good the larger models with the flat panels like this relic, Lug and the jet bike seem to have translated well to plastic some details are slightly softer (like the vents) but that's to be expected with the material.

That's the one I've been waiting for. Looks alright, I'd like to see a real close up shot though.

So has this shipped yet??

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Dentry wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I actually think the Prefects and Hasami look a little better I those photographs. Might just be me though.

Hasami's face looks like she flew a bit close to the sun or is being possessed by some kind of ugly warp entity.



Could be camera tricks, and I hope it is just a bad picture, but everything else looks alright at least.

Wow, did not notice that before. I may be corrected then. Still glad I didn't get Doctrine- they seem to have been hit the hardest with odd design choices(clown shoes everywhere for instance).

Yeah, they're the ones furthest from the concept art by far. I blame Kingdom Death for a lot of it as their design seems to have leaked over into the Relic models.

For instance, the core troopers were art'd up like so:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/148/243/b32bde91915ce06bcdf5477613dd5859_large.jpg

Clearly young, right? Slender, pretty typical jr high/high school anime kids. They'd fit right in with Sailor Moon, Ranma 1/2, or Puella magi madoka universes.

And here's what we're getting:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/276905/posts/369702/image-192619-full.jpg

They aparently giggled out of Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball and fell into the universe with an "Oopsie!" and landing on some guy's nosebleedy face.

I'm quite confused.

Hasami was sculpted in metal long before KD became an influence. She did not get a resculpt for the plastic version.

Still, I have to agree that the novitaes got pulled too many directions conceptually. Maybe those metal sculpts they had at gencon last year will show up on their webstore.

Even if Kingdom Death has had influence on the Relic Knight designs - I'm not 100% that it has, by the way - that shouldn't translate into loss of detail. Kingdom Death's own miniatures are proof of that.

If fingers need to be pointed, they can probably be pointed at mismanagement or budget constraints. CMON and SPM working together might have reduced the quality of the final product than if either had free reign.

Overall the models still look good, not great, and we should reserve final judgement until we have the final professional photographs or models in hand. Of course, I'm assuming the show pictures are going to be of painted models and not raw restic as I would prefer.

UPDATE

Finalize Your Shipping Address

Cool Mini or Not is gearing up for full-on shipping mode and it's time to get your shipping address finalized to make sure your Relic Knights gets to you safe and sound.

Please log into the into the Cool Mini or Not Pledge Manager In the pledge manager make sure your order and your shipping address is correct. Pay particular attention to if you have a house or apartment number and that it is correctly listed.

If you have problems confirming your address through the pledge manager you can contact us directly at info@sodapopminiatures.com. Include your full name, e-mail you used to back the project, and complete mailing address and we will have CMoN provide you with a link to update your account.

Your shipping address must be confirmed by Wednesday the 14th!

(also has a few of the images already posted above from the soda pop forums but I won't bother adding them again)

so it looks like it's almost shipping time!

Hooray! The wait will soon be over!

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Hooray! The wait will soon be over!

I have no idea what I'm going to do with the pile of plastic I'll be getting...

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Hooray! The wait will soon be over!

I have no idea what I'm going to do with the pile of plastic I'll be getting...

I'll probably just haphazardly assemble, and then sloppily paint mine. That or leave it in a box for a few years until I rememberer it.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Hooray! The wait will soon be over!

I have no idea what I'm going to do with the pile of plastic I'll be getting...

I'll probably just haphazardly assemble, and then sloppily paint mine. That or leave it in a box for a few years until I rememberer it.

Thats pretty much my plan... Onto the pile of unpainted un assemled models it goes...

I could start a well stocked FLGS with stuff thats brand new laying around my house.

Interesting snippet looks like the alt. battle poses will be done in metal not plastic hybrid kits oh no!

Yes there is an alt pose for Malya. It is a separate metal piece that KS backers will receive.

Makes sense- I don't believe they were going offer them after the kickstarter anyway. Metal is fine by me.

Well the stretch goal was for an alternative pose iirc, in its wording it implied it would be included in the box.

Then again, metal or resin will be better than the material in the box.

 DaveC wrote:
Interesting snippet looks like the alt. battle poses will be done in metal not plastic hybrid kits oh no!

Yes there is an alt pose for Malya. It is a separate metal piece that KS backers will receive.

The original large models for the game were resin/metal hybrids.

Now that it's getting close to delivery time I'm getting pretty excited for this game.

I prefer plastic when possible but metal's not a big deal in this case.

My excitement also grows as this draws near. Thankfully summer is here to scorch me into submission!

Interesting - I didn't realise that the alternate poses were Kickstarter-exclusive. In fact, I wasn't aware that anything that Sodapop did was exclusive any more - didn't they backtrack on that for the RK SDE miniatures?

I was probably going to assemble them as the alternates anyway, as they're likely to be a bit more...sensible, but now the choice is a bit more forced. Although I'll miss the oversized bomb from Calico Kate's mech...

I'm glad I'll be getting both of those models.

Soda Pop and CMoN have always had an odd stance on KS exclusives... Nothing they've done has been exclusive to KS, you could buy it from them at a convention but once they ran out they were gone forever.

I guess they want recasters to make money off of the models instead of themselves?

 Wehrkind wrote:
I guess they want recasters to make money off of the models instead of themselves?

Could be... But I doubt it, I don't think the market is really going to be there.

I dunno... are the parts plastic or resin? If they are plastic it makes very little sense, as the molds would last longer than demand I should think. If resin I suppose they might just not bother making new ones when the molds wear out.

 Wehrkind wrote:
I dunno... are the parts plastic or resin? If they are plastic it makes very little sense, as the molds would last longer than demand I should think. If resin I suppose they might just not bother making new ones when the molds wear out.

I thought someone mentioned that the KS Exclusive models would be done in metal.

Ahhh. That makes a little more sense then.

I dunno, just always seems strange to me to just stop making something when all the upfront costs are paid and it is just marginal materials costs going into it. Especially when they are that nice!

 Wehrkind wrote:
Ahhh. That makes a little more sense then.

I dunno, just always seems strange to me to just stop making something when all the upfront costs are paid and it is just marginal materials costs going into it. Especially when they are that nice!

Keeping you word to people who's money you've had for getting on two years is important too...

Oh, yea I totally agree that if they said they were exclusive at the point they took our money that the models should remain as such. I just don't get the point in making that contract in the first place.

Official Ninja Division Relic Knights tournament at gencon

RELIC KNIGHTS: Establishing Order
50pt Tournament
GenCon’s first Relic Knights Tournament is here. Bring your 50pt force to the table throw down against players from all across the Last Galaxy. Prizes awarded for Best Overall, Best General, Best Painted, and Best Sportsman.

Saturday – Sunday

12:00pm-6:00pm

Super tempted for that... But I have an event at 4 on Saturday, and headed out early Sunday... Ugh, guess I could start, and if I'm not doing well drop out. Decisions, decisions...

 Wehrkind wrote:
Oh, yea I totally agree that if they said they were exclusive at the point they took our money that the models should remain as such. I just don't get the point in making that contract in the first place.

Because it's what everyone was doing at that point?

Fortunatly the industry seems to have shifted away from exclusives lately.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
Oh, yea I totally agree that if they said they were exclusive at the point they took our money that the models should remain as such. I just don't get the point in making that contract in the first place.

Because it's what everyone was doing at that point?

Fortunatly the industry seems to have shifted away from exclusives lately.

I agree. The less "kickstarter exclusive" rules and models the better. I don't generally mind alternate models, but I would prefer the opportunity to buy them if I was so inclined.

Shipping is underway well some of it anyway

Asia-Pacific shipping has begun!

Should have more details on US and European shipping soon.

Plus I'm finishing up our first (of two) tournament formats: Establishing Order. Are you excited, because we sure are!

Zippety Do Zippety De

Come on, hurry up and start shipping to me!

So we're probably looking at early June for things to hit our doorstep in America?

So it's started shipping? That's good.

From Deke at the SPM forums.

BLACK DIAMOND


Edit: looks like there're more incoming.

CERCI SPEED CIRCUIT


STAR NEBULA CORSAIRS


DOCTRINE


NOH EMPIRE


SHATTERED SWORD

Some of that stuff seems very hit or miss. I'm hoping paint will help alleviate the ghastliness of the no-face wrench girls(which I pledged for!)

Also, the digital sculptor for some of the models has started a thread in the painting and modeling section.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/597588.page
He's also worked on KD and a few other miniature companies' things.

The pit crew girls look fine from the neck down. The one with goggles is ok, too. The other one, however, looks like she's wearing Peter Parker's mask and I'm tempted to paint her as such.

Marie Claudes face is passable the gun isn't great but the pit girls face is awful no nose or mouth at all. The faces are going to be very hit and miss.

More Doctrine

I forget, are the models supposed to be poseable or do they come in a variety of poses?

and Noh - these look fine(other than Zineda's weird hip but that's part of the original sculpt) and are the faction I wanted most so I hope Kasaro-To and his relic turn out well the big stuff seems to transfer better anyway



Shattered Sword

Ugh.

There seems to be a lot more 'miss' than 'hit' in here...

Well, Alph, it's like my grandmother used to say: "Suffering builds character." And man, have these models got character.


They aren't as bad as they could have been especially when you think back to the test models we were shown back in... in... Hmm, been so long I forgot. But my point stands! Some good, some bad and maybe(?) better in person.

I feel like a lot of these were stripped of detail that used to be there. Hmm

As Hector posted the Marie Claude render today



versus



hmm lots of lost details

Looks like some tough painting ahead.

Holy Cow that's a lot of lost detail.

"Restic" fails us all, again.

Her lips, her nose, the texture of her suit... It's all gone! :(

Wow... maybe some primer will help show the details? Sometimes combinations of material and color can really hide details.

And sometimes you think "Hey, why the feth did I spend money on this?" and think of all the things you could have bought instead, like syphilis ridden hookers.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Her lips, her nose, the texture of her suit... It's all gone! :(

...tears in rain.

I just knew this would happen. Years of waiting for soft detail.

This looks really really bad

From Facebook:

Is it just me, or is that neck just too long.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Is it just me, or is that neck just too long.

It's the angle I believe. Doesn't change the fact that all the detail is painted on. They did a really good job on the face though (IMO).

Looks like another coolminiornot or not crap festival. Guess the Sebastian model they showed as an example was a an example of quality was a pre-production hard resin cast. Still goes to show I was right to stop backing anything involving coolminiornot. Looks another pile of minis that might follow sedition wars into the bin, will have to see if anything is salvageable.

sigh, should I be surprised of this failure?

I have to say, looking at the renders that HecM delivered, versus how they came out is infuriating.

Marie Clause as she should be...


And the grim reality.


Even looking at the painted model, notice how the details on the back of her legs are completely gone. Ditto on the pin-striping on her suit.


Everywhere one looks, detail has disappeared, proportions look like crap, ach. And I got her as a LE choice!

Seriously, the quality on this stuff looks to be worse then the quality on Super Dungeon Explore pieces.


EDIT: I realized my initial thoughts on the shoulders are much better directed towards other things.

Someone remind me why I contributed too this?

Was it the shoulders?

Christ. I wonder if it is too late to ask for a refund... Super disappointed with what I am seeing, though I suppose the Noh are not too terribly awful.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Is it just me, or is that neck just too long.

It's the angle I believe. Doesn't change the fact that all the detail is painted on. They did a really good job on the face though (IMO).

I don't think it's the angle man, that neck is messed up long and her forward facing ankle is twig thin. I hope everyone who gets that model sends it back with an angry letter demanding a do over.

The painted Marie Claude is an early test figure and the neck has been changed on the final production version (from John's comment on facebook)

that said it looks pretty poor in places, I really hope at least some of it is due to it not photographing well without an undercoat

I don't know why I'm surprised about this, but I am.

I am shocked at how bad a lot of these have turned out.

Given how f'in late this one is, the one thing that SHOULD have been good was the overall quality.

But no.

So, after Sedition Wars, Mantic's various things and now this?

I am not kidding - I do not care how great things look in concept art, resin masters, etc. - I AM DONE WITH "RESTIC"/PVC/etc.!

I am So Very Glad I got my refund.

Still waiting for mine...

Most of the Noh stuff looks like it did okay. Black Diamond has some very odd faces, but they seem decent for the most part.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Most of the Noh stuff looks like it did okay. Black Diamond has some very odd faces, but they seem decent for the most part.

I don't know, the tracks on the tank thing look craptastic. Plenty of mold lines all over it really.

 CptJake wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Most of the Noh stuff looks like it did okay. Black Diamond has some very odd faces, but they seem decent for the most part.

I don't know, the tracks on the tank thing look craptastic. Plenty of mold lines all over it really.

Ugh, you're right. I was mostly looking at the troopers, but the tank even looks a little warped... Looks like Noh(except for a few), Star Nebula Corsairs, and Shattered Sword turned out the best. Of course we still have quite a few models from each faction we haven't seen yet. Who knows how they'll turn out.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Looks like another coolminiornot or not crap festival. Guess the Sebastian model they showed as an example was a an example of quality was a pre-production hard resin cast. Still goes to show I was right to stop backing anything involving coolminiornot. Looks another pile of minis that might follow sedition wars into the bin, will have to see if anything is salvageable.

You must have missed all the other projects that CMoN has done that has yielded fantastic production values like Zombicide, Rivet Wars, and Kaosball.

But it's cool. You're entitled to your opinion.

 cincydooley wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Looks like another coolminiornot or not crap festival. Guess the Sebastian model they showed as an example was a an example of quality was a pre-production hard resin cast. Still goes to show I was right to stop backing anything involving coolminiornot. Looks another pile of minis that might follow sedition wars into the bin, will have to see if anything is salvageable.

You must have missed all the other projects that CMoN has done that has yielded fantastic production values like Zombicide, Rivet Wars, and Kaosball.

But it's cool. You're entitled to your opinion.

And I guess you missed the craptastic ones but it's cool. Your entitled to your opinion.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Looks like another coolminiornot or not crap festival. Guess the Sebastian model they showed as an example was a an example of quality was a pre-production hard resin cast. Still goes to show I was right to stop backing anything involving coolminiornot. Looks another pile of minis that might follow sedition wars into the bin, will have to see if anything is salvageable.

You must have missed all the other projects that CMoN has done that has yielded fantastic production values like Zombicide, Rivet Wars, and Kaosball.

But it's cool. You're entitled to your opinion.

And I guess you missed the craptastic ones but it's cool. Your entitled to your opinion.

4 Good to 2 Bad.

The Arcadia Quest and Wrath of Kings figures are looking good as well... so That'll be 6 to 2..

How was Guilds of Cad-something?

Production wise Guilds of Cadwallon is very good - the minis are little more than marker tokens really (they aren't really needed to play the game just a 3D extra, flat coloured tokens would do the job) and are similar quality to Zombicides the cards are good quality (maybe a little thin but they have a nice texture to them) I got the optional board and larger box both are good. The original small box is a very neat little package. No idea how it plays must give it a go some day

 Cyporiean wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Looks like another coolminiornot or not crap festival. Guess the Sebastian model they showed as an example was a an example of quality was a pre-production hard resin cast. Still goes to show I was right to stop backing anything involving coolminiornot. Looks another pile of minis that might follow sedition wars into the bin, will have to see if anything is salvageable.

You must have missed all the other projects that CMoN has done that has yielded fantastic production values like Zombicide, Rivet Wars, and Kaosball.

But it's cool. You're entitled to your opinion.

And I guess you missed the craptastic ones but it's cool. Your entitled to your opinion.

4 Good to 2 Bad.

The Arcadia Quest and Wrath of Kings figures are looking good as well... so That'll be 6 to 2..

How was Guilds of Cad-something?

Guilds of cadwallon and zombicide are gaming tokens not miniatures, quality expectations differ greatly. Are Arcadia quest and wrath of kings finalised production examples? Rivet wars was good, haven't checked out kaosball so I'll take your word for it. Seems more like 50/50 at this point but cool story bro.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:


And I guess you missed the craptastic ones but it's cool. Your entitled to your opinion.

No, I got plenty of Sedition Wars. The models take some cleaning but are still better than any restic Mantic has produced to date.

I don't have the RK stuff in hand yet, but based on the photos, they look pretty rough.

I've also had plenty of time hands on with the Arcadia Quest and Wrath of Kings production plastics. Like, Cyp said, they look really good. The Arcadia Quest ones have gone through three different plastics (varying colors and hardness) and the one they've settled on looks fantastic. I actually have some up close photos which I'll post.

I simply think you've an axe to grind with CMoN, and as such you're conveniently ignoring all of the good stuff or any other potential reasons for problems. All the Zombicide products look fantastic. All the Rivet Wars products look fantastic. All the Kaosball plastics look fantastic. If CMoN was really the devil you paint them out to be, none of that would be good.

@DaveC - It's a fun little filler/party game. Plays quickly. Good strategy and lots of fun "screw your neighbor."

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Guilds of cadwallon and zombicide are gaming tokens not miniatures, quality expectations differ greatly. Are Arcadia quest and wrath of kings finalised production examples? Rivet wars was good, haven't checked out kaosball so I'll take your word for it. Seems more like 50/50 at this point but cool story bro.

If the Zombicide minis are 'Gaming Tokens' and not Miniatures, than so are the Kaosball, Rivet Wars, Arcadian Quest, and Sedation Wars figures.

So here are the Arcadia Photos. Notice the different colors of the plastic. The most grey was their first run. Solid enough, especially if they're just "boardgame" pieces. The white grey was second, and the final plastic I was told they're using is the white plastic, which is what the Pigsy model is in. I was really impressed by the crispness of the detail; you can even see the texture to his cloak in my mediocre iPhone photo.









And again, I was told this is the final production plastic:

I think the Wrath of Kings minis will be the true test of what they are capable if they mess them up it's game over . Unfortunately some of the early projects suffered due to the minis not being designed for the PVC medium and they probably didn't understand it like they do now.

Zombicide minis are fine for a board game with loads of single piece minis - no compliants with them. Rivets Wars minis turned out really nice but the rivets designs are a lot simpler and easier to cast as is anything in the "chibi" asthetic like Arcadia Quest, you just have to look at SDE which is available to see this. I passed on Kasoball I have Dreadball I didn't need another "sports" game

I don't think Relic Knights is quite the write off some are making it out to be already, but I definitely wouldn't have got Cerci Speed Circuit or Doctrine had I seen the final production pieces first. Learnt my lesson with WoK just went for 2 factions enough to play and see the minis before I commit to any more.

 cincydooley wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:


And I guess you missed the craptastic ones but it's cool. Your entitled to your opinion.

I simply think you've an axe to grind with CMoN, and as such you're conveniently ignoring all of the good stuff or any other potential reasons for problems. All the Zombicide products look fantastic. All the Rivet Wars products look fantastic. All the Kaosball plastics look fantastic. If CMoN was really the devil you paint them out to be, none of that would be good.

Totes amazing mind reading skills there bro.

Actually I never had any problems with coolminiornot or it's former incarnation like some had before they started doing kick starters. I thought what they where offering based on the artists involved and the renders/earlier versions of models to be produced looked very promising. However when I finally started receiving product starting with sedition wars, the quality was substandard. The majority of the issues where obviously caused by trying to cut costs to the bone, this was neither a good or evil decision (even though you try to put words in my mouth with devil part ) but a business one. This became a growing trend as well as poor communication (though raging heroes gives them a run a for their money). So my low opinion is due to their actions not this mythical axe you believe I have.

In all honestly I would love to see them put out good quality product, crap quality is bad for everyone not just the consumer.

As far as future coolminiornot projects, I will wait to retail to judge the product in my hand before handing over any cash. And whilst those Arcadia photos do look good you have absolutely no guarantee that is how they will turn out. Look at the difference between the Sebastian they showed a while ago which looked very crisp and now these? Notice a difference? So while I'm sure you have a very cool opinion I'm very happy to keep my opinion as it is until they decide to raise it. It's been cool chatting bro and hopefully you've picked up on how annoying bro'ing people on a forum is x x x.

We can at least hope the rules are fun and tightly written. IMO that would make up for a few odd game pieces.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
It's been cool chatting bro and hopefully you've picked up on how annoying bro'ing people on a forum is x x x.

I have no idea what this means in the context of our conversation, as I haven't said "bro" once.

I'll reiterate. I understand your disappointment with the Sedition Wars stuff. I don't personally have the same problems you do (the minis took a bit more time to clean up than I wanted, but the detail is good). But because of your experience with Sedition Wars, you're painting with a large brush that leaves out all of the other successes. I think placing the blame solely on CMoN for any inadequacies with Sedition Wars or Relic Knights is also inappropriate; Studio McVey and Soda Pop are also at least partially culpable. The biggest difference is that CMoN has, again, these other successes while McVey and Soda Pop do not (yet), and due to that I don't think it's an unreasonable stretch to assume the problem may have been more with the former and less with CMoN.

 DaveC wrote:
I think the Wrath of Kings minis will be the true test of what they are capable if they mess them up it's game over.

That's where I am with it now.

A shame too, as Drakerys has great concept art but...it is also using PVC/"Restic" too.

EDIT:

I know Drakerys is not a CMON project! I was just complaining about another "RESTIC" minis Kickstarter!

Also, RELIC KNIGHTS is now SODA POP only.

 Cyporiean wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Guilds of cadwallon and zombicide are gaming tokens not miniatures, quality expectations differ greatly. Are Arcadia quest and wrath of kings finalised production examples? Rivet wars was good, haven't checked out kaosball so I'll take your word for it. Seems more like 50/50 at this point but cool story bro.

If the Zombicide minis are 'Gaming Tokens' and not Miniatures, than so are the Kaosball, Rivet Wars, Arcadian Quest, and Sedation Wars figures.

Sedation Wars figures

... It seems to fitting somehow.

In all seriousness though, a crucial difference between systems like Arcadia Quest, Rivet Wars and so on, versus Sedition Wars and Relic Knights is that both of the latter were sold on the strength of their miniatures, at least in my opinion.

It's rather telling that on the official forums the line is rapidly shifting from "wait till they are in hand", to "well, when you compare them to board game pieces they are pretty good..."

Let's be honest, some of these miniatures are appallingly bad. Even more importantly, they are miniatures being used to sell a game that really relies on its style as a selling point. A the end of the year people that want an anime influenced game in skirmish scale will have a number of options: Infinity, Anime Tactics, Relic Knights, Endless Fantasy Tactics, probably some others I am forgetting.

Why would you recommend RK over the other options? People are saying the miniatures for RK are about on par with WM/Hordes, but even if that is true (and I am ambivalent on the matter), WM/H doesn't survive on the strength of the models, but in spite of the models. It prospers because it is the hardcore and balanced game on the market, and, lest we forget, it began selling models when their quality was closer to the industry standard.

I didn't back Relic Knights on the strength or fun of it's rules system. So I'm kinda disappointed overall.

What I see is not something I'd buy (at the price being offered) and that more than anything is what's bummin' me out.

Edit: Sporty Malya from SPM Facebook

I"m willing to give it the benefit of the doubt until we get it. The models we saw at GenCon looked solid overall, so I'm still going to remain optimistic. I think we could really benefit from seeing a mini that was primed white and then washed with blue or green, as that usually gives a good sense of detail retention that is sometimes lost in photos.

Yep. I also think that unpainted restic tends to particularly suffer from that. I've been kind of appalled with how some restic stuff looked, then a simple white priming brought out a lot of detail. I think the material might be just barely translucent?

 Dentry wrote:
I didn't back Relic Knights on the strength or fun of it's rules system. So I'm kinda disappointed overall.

What I see is not something I'd buy (at the price being offered) and that more than anything is what's bummin' me out.

Edit: Sporty Malya from SPM Facebook

Is that the alternate Malya?

Yes that's the "battle pose" for Malya

 DaveC wrote:
Yes that's the "battle pose" for Malya

Weren't the battle poses supposed to be less...overt like that? That was my understanding anyway. Still going to reserve judgement for quality until the minis are in my hand at least- They havent shown close-ups of the Hell's Belles or Suicide Queen yet, so my favorites may still be salvageable.

Yeah it's toned down from the original pose but probably not nearly as much as people are expecting. I had no issue with the original poses and will probably use them unless the detail is better on the battle pose miniatures (being metal)

Battle pose Malya herself is metal not PVC so the detail should be better on this model.

She does appear to have a nose at least. Goggles are not painted on, and the hair has individual "strands".

 DaveC wrote:
I think the Wrath of Kings minis will be the true test of what they are capable if they mess them up it's game over . Unfortunately some of the early projects suffered due to the minis not being designed for the PVC medium and they probably didn't understand it like they do now.

Zombicide minis are fine for a board game with loads of single piece minis - no compliants with them. Rivets Wars minis turned out really nice but the rivets designs are a lot simpler and easier to cast as is anything in the "chibi" asthetic like Arcadia Quest, you just have to look at SDE which is available to see this. I passed on Kasoball I have Dreadball I didn't need another "sports" game

I don't think Relic Knights is quite the write off some are making it out to be already, but I definitely wouldn't have got Cerci Speed Circuit or Doctrine had I seen the final production pieces first. Learnt my lesson with WoK just went for 2 factions enough to play and see the minis before I commit to any more.

If wrath of kings ends up being a fart in the wind... then I'm going to throw a tantrum

"restic" seems like it can only work with large rounded "cartoon-like" miniatures, such as arcadia quest,

Anything that is small with tedious detail it will suffer dearly. Hence the disaster that is Sedition Wars.

No matter the style, the material still sucks to clean up.

Science needs to put everything on the back burner and create a method to fix that problem.

Science has a fix. It is called "Use appropriate materials,not restic".

Bit of an update from Deke

Okay, the response I have from CMoN is that they are organizing all the pledges, that it will take a bit of time, and that they will keep us informed.

We are still anticipating/hoping to hit the June 20 retail release for Relic Knights. It is obviously contingent on backers packages being in the mail first.

The Candy Heart credit should be applied this week. I will post up as soon as that happens. Since it is a $15 store credit you can use it on anything in the store, not just Candy Heart. (Yes, that includes SDE: Forgotten King.)

The painted Malya people have seen on Facebook is done by John. It is one of the few production models we've received.

In brief closing: We haven't even been given all the production models yet either, so we're just as excited/on edge as all of you. That said the models are done, they're in the states, and should be in everyone's hands soon. This last bit of waiting is killer since we've all been waiting so long, but the end is in sight!

Hooray! Hopefully CMoN will quit dragging their feet so I can see these minis for myself.

So the minis are in the states and they want all the backers , globally, to receive their pledges before the 20th of this month. Well I'll believe that when my **** turns purple and smells of rainbow sherbet.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
So the minis are in the states and they want all the backers , globally, to receive their pledges before the 20th of this month. Well I'll believe that when my **** turns purple and smells of rainbow sherbet.

I was under the impression they had more than one distribution hub. Didn't they mention some Pacfic countries already being shipped out?

Received no mailed yes I thought the choice of words was interesting basically so long as they can say it's in the post then they feel they are all clear to sell it retail when really given the delays to date and the goodwill already lost they should be pushing back the retail release for at least a month after items start to ship (to deal with inevitable shipping issues/order issues). I really hope CMoN see this through properly given they have lost the franchise and there's nothing much in it for them there's little incentive to be 100% first time.

Asia Pacific direct from China, EU forwarded through Germany, US and RoW shipped from US that's the shipping plan given the items have left the manufacturer you would expect some word about Asia/Pacific at this stage would they not be the first delivered unless they are holding them to ship once the US begins.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
So the minis are in the states and they want all the backers , globally, to receive their pledges before the 20th of this month. Well I'll believe that when my **** turns purple and smells of rainbow sherbet.

They said shipped.

That makes me uncomfortable. I can understand that perhaps SPM isn't in the best place financially - is that still true? - and delays cost them money, but because of the extended wait it doesn't sit right that I'd get my stuff after retail.

Although I'm not sure pushing the launch date back for no real reason other than making us feel better is a good thing either.

Have they even started shipping yet? Deke's post is ambiguous at best about that. It just says CMON is organizing all the pledges. Nothing about it having started shipment

It's all in CMoN's hands now. They'll ship it when they feel like it.

Sining wrote:
Have they even started shipping yet? Deke's post is ambiguous at best about that. It just says CMON is organizing all the pledges. Nothing about it having started shipment

I know they got the last crate last week. They unpacked it and have been packaging stuff since, I believe, Thursday.

It benefits them to get rid of the stuff as soon as they can sp they can wipe their hands of it, quite frankly.

Certainly none of the warehouses will sit on it as they want their warehouse space back, but with moving timelines it's difficult to say how prepared they where to begin the shipping process.

For the last couple months the timeline has been pretty consistant. End of May/early June(not an official Soda Pop date- they've been saying production would finish mid-April since February; posters have extrapolated from there.) They've been doing well with constant updates on what was finished when.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Certainly none of the warehouses will sit on it as they want their warehouse space back, but with moving timelines it's difficult to say how prepared they where to begin the shipping process.

Yup. IIRC, one of the crates got delayed while one did not (this was in an update, right?)

I'll try to glean more in regards to shipping if I can.

Whoa, just caught up on this thread. Copying Dentry's big post of the bare models below. But sheesh... there's like no faces on these things :-/

Personally, I am steering clear of restic until a company PROVES they can do well with them. I think chibi-type models with exaggerated features do well in it, and things like Privateer Press's exaggerated physiology can work. This is why I think the Noh Empire models look better. But these dainty female models... I mean, I can't even see any facial features on some of these :-/

 cincydooley wrote:
No, I got plenty of Sedition Wars. The models take some cleaning but are still better than any restic Mantic has produced to date.

I don't have the RK stuff in hand yet, but based on the photos, they look pretty rough.

I feel like this is damning them with faint praise, I don't want anything compared to Mantic, or board game pieces. I'm looking for miniature gaming quality pieces, which is why I have not joined any of these campaigns, whereas I did pledge for AvP's "true resin" campaign. And am planning to get some "true resin" Mierce models, as I know you yourself are a fan of, since I'm adding them to your pledge

I have tons of friends who bought into Relic Knights. They're going to be very disappointed with these, I think........ and I really cannot buy the continual "the next project will be better". I actually think Wrath of Kings might be. But I need to physically see it first before I consider spending a penny on restic models.

The only exception is large featured / exaggerated models- like Mantic's obsidian golems, even, which I got a bunch of after the fact since they turned out well. But there's no way I'm paying for any of these things ahead of time with the current restic track record to date!!

 Dentry wrote:
From Deke at the SPM forums.

BLACK DIAMOND

Spoiler:

Edit: looks like there're more incoming.

CERCI SPEED CIRCUIT

Spoiler:

STAR NEBULA CORSAIRS

Spoiler:

DOCTRINE

Spoiler:

NOH EMPIRE

Spoiler:

SHATTERED SWORD

Spoiler:

mold lines! mold lines every where!

out of all those, only 2 were pretty good.

This has all the potential of being worse than sedition wars.

 RiTides wrote:

I feel like this is damning them with faint praise, I don't want anything compared to Mantic, or board game pieces. I'm looking for miniature gaming quality pieces, which is why I have not joined any of these campaigns, whereas I did pledge for AvP's "true resin" campaign. And am planning to get some "true resin" Mierce models, as I know you yourself are a fan of, since I'm adding them to your pledge

You're completely right, but I think its still important to note how little the restic stuff costs for the amount of product you get as compared to the Mierce stuff. I wouldn't trade my Mierce stuff for much of anything, but it does come at a higher price tag than Relic Knights or Sedition Wars.

Again, I really like my Sedition Wars figs. For me they painted up really quickly and retained their detail, though I'm not a top 5% painter either. I think what I've done internally is reconcile the price I paid for Sedition Wars (and Relic Knights) and have determined that I'm "happy enough" with the product that I'm not going to get in a tizzy about them. Can they be better. Oh, for sure. But for the what...$1 a fig we payed for Sedition Wars and Relic Knights, I'm a bit more forgiving. With that being said, I completely understand the people that have concerns/complaints about the Sedition Wars stuff because they were expecting "McVey Miniatures" and the quality they received is certainly lesser than their resins.

I have tons of friends who bought into Relic Knights. They're going to be very disappointed with these, I think........ and I really cannot buy the continual "the next project will be better". I actually think Wrath of Kings might be. But I need to physically see it first before I consider spending a penny on restic models.

Based on what I've had in my hands, I believe the same. The WoK stuff I've handled, particularly the Hadross Squid Rider, was really top notch.

The only exception is large featured / exaggerated models- like Mantic's obsidian golems, even, which I got a bunch of after the fact since they turned out well. But there's no way I'm paying for any of these things ahead of time with the current restic track record to date!!

Deadzone was the nail in the coffin for me for Mantic KS projects. I know they have their next KS coming up for "better Dwarf Kings Hold," and while the minis I've seen look pretty great, I just don't trust them to transfer the sculpt to a well done production model.

wow.... these are really really really bad...

 cincydooley wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

I feel like this is damning them with faint praise, I don't want anything compared to Mantic, or board game pieces. I'm looking for miniature gaming quality pieces, which is why I have not joined any of these campaigns, whereas I did pledge for AvP's "true resin" campaign. And am planning to get some "true resin" Mierce models, as I know you yourself are a fan of, since I'm adding them to your pledge

You're completely right, but I think its still important to note how little the restic stuff costs for the amount of product you get as compared to the Mierce stuff. I wouldn't trade my Mierce stuff for much of anything, but it does come at a higher price tag than Relic Knights or Sedition Wars.

Again, I really like my Sedition Wars figs. For me they painted up really quickly and retained their detail, though I'm not a top 5% painter either. I think what I've done internally is reconcile the price I paid for Sedition Wars (and Relic Knights) and have determined that I'm "happy enough" with the product that I'm not going to get in a tizzy about them. Can they be better. Oh, for sure. But for the what...$1 a fig we payed for Sedition Wars and Relic Knights, I'm a bit more forgiving. With that being said, I completely understand the people that have concerns/complaints about the Sedition Wars stuff because they were expecting "McVey Miniatures" and the quality they received is certainly lesser than their resins.

What drives me crazy, though, is that this line of discussion only comes out After they take everyone's money and are delivering models that fail to meet expectations. I.e., before/during the campaign it's:

"This is a cannot miss deal! Totally insane value!"

And afterwards it's:

"This is a fair deal, these are after all gaming tokens, not miniatures. What did you expect for such a low price?"

People only expect what they're told, in a certain sense... I didn't believe the claims, but the claims of both this and Sedition Wars were wargaming miniatures quality... and in many ways, that's not what was delivered (I'll toss Mantic in here, as well).

Hopefully, people learn from these campaigns' results on what is really being offered, despite the sky-high claims, and choose whether or not to back accordingly...

 RiTides wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

I feel like this is damning them with faint praise, I don't want anything compared to Mantic, or board game pieces. I'm looking for miniature gaming quality pieces, which is why I have not joined any of these campaigns, whereas I did pledge for AvP's "true resin" campaign. And am planning to get some "true resin" Mierce models, as I know you yourself are a fan of, since I'm adding them to your pledge

You're completely right, but I think its still important to note how little the restic stuff costs for the amount of product you get as compared to the Mierce stuff. I wouldn't trade my Mierce stuff for much of anything, but it does come at a higher price tag than Relic Knights or Sedition Wars.

Again, I really like my Sedition Wars figs. For me they painted up really quickly and retained their detail, though I'm not a top 5% painter either. I think what I've done internally is reconcile the price I paid for Sedition Wars (and Relic Knights) and have determined that I'm "happy enough" with the product that I'm not going to get in a tizzy about them. Can they be better. Oh, for sure. But for the what...$1 a fig we payed for Sedition Wars and Relic Knights, I'm a bit more forgiving. With that being said, I completely understand the people that have concerns/complaints about the Sedition Wars stuff because they were expecting "McVey Miniatures" and the quality they received is certainly lesser than their resins.

What drives me crazy, though, is that this line of discussion only comes out After they take everyone's money and are delivering models that fail to meet expectations. I.e., before/during the campaign it's:

"This is a cannot miss deal! Totally insane value!"

And afterwards it's:

"This is a fair deal, these are after all gaming tokens, not miniatures. What did you expect for such a low price?"

People only expect what they're told, in a certain sense... I didn't believe the claims, but the claims of both this and Sedition Wars were wargaming miniatures quality... and in many ways, that's not what was delivered (I'll toss Mantic in here, as well).

Hopefully, people learn from these campaigns' results on what is really being offered, despite the sky-high claims, and choose whether or not to back accordingly...

Well said. One should always look critically at a kickstarter, despite the deal. Skepticism can save a person a lot of money sometimes. Once everything is in my hands I'll judge if this kickstarter was worth it. As of now, I'm inclined to think it was. I get some generic sci-do figures, bases, base inserts, tokens to use for basing/objectives, and possible a decent ruleset for gaming. I'm not ready to call it a wash just yet, but I will definately be cautious before I look at buying anything else at retail.

well there's an official update at last- when will they start shipping? how long is piece of string?

Project Update #118: Shipping Update 6-3-2014
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot ♥ Like

Hey guys,

I wanted to drop in and give you guys a quick update about the status of shipping at this point in time. We just received the containers with the Relic Knights items. Immediately, the very same day, we began staging and building kits (bundling all the individual products into KS faction "box sets"). This is a rather time consuming process considering the complexity of this project, but we should begin shipping as soon as we build all the box set bundles. I know everyone is anxious to receive their products after such a long delay, and we are doing what we can to expedite this process. We want to thank each and everyone of you for supporting the project and your patience. We will post another update when we are actually shipping out products out of the warehouse.

If you have any questions, please email support@cmon.com

We know they've had the first container since April 18th. They just now got the others in? I thought things were being air-freighted. Exactly how long has CMoN sat on their hands? Why are they just now starting to sort everything?

Wow, so full of questions today.

@sinful hero either the second shipment wasn't air freighted or they finished production a lot later than they let on.

From Sodapop in the comments:

Because of the complexity of the project and the extensive kitting process, the factory was confused about the content. We had to send a representative to China to explain the entire process to avoid errors, but they should begin shipping soon direct from the factory to EU and APAC.

Was great that we had plenty of advance notice about that one, huh?

I'm hoping that my paint will cover a multitude of sins - it certainly does with other restic stuff. Of course, I'm more on the restic apologist side anyway - I like how tough and dense the material is, while still being lighter and much MUCH cheaper than metal, and allowing for proper undercuts that hard plastic doesn't. Yes, I know the wonderful things that Kingdom Death is doing with individual boob and arse pieces - but it's still very much the exception.

I just think that PVC can be executed well (some of sedition wars wave 1) or poorly (plenty of sedition wars wave 2). Jury's out until I have these in my hands - naked restic takes famously awful photos. Either way, I'll be adding some fun new scars cleaning this stuff.

@DaveC - Those look like rubber bands to me.

Also, Bioptic, I wouldn't be so dismissive of KD plastic. Currently it's one of few outliers where quality (read:detail) is concerned but for me it's certainly raised the bar on plastics. Maybe that's setting myself up for disappointment and, to be clear, I'm not expecting everything to be up to KD standards, but I'm not gonna give miniatures a pass so easily simply because they're not KD or from Wargames Factory.

Edit: Lots of miscommunication and/or misinformation between CMoN, SPM, and us backers it seems. Thought the Asia Pacific stuff had already been handled and that the other containers had been in CMoN's possession for awhile already.

I have no idea if I'm receiving a package or refund! SPMs communication is pathetic, CMON get back to you same or next day.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
We know they've had the first container since April 18th. They just now got the others in? I thought things were being air-freighted. Exactly how long has CMoN sat on their hands? Why are they just now starting to sort everything?

Wow, so full of questions today.

I think one of them got "customed" too.

I wonder what the market is going to look like after people receive their stuff. I am thinking best case is some pro-painters crank out some awesome looking stuff in the weeks immediately after receipt, and the eBay market responds with renewed interest.
I might keep my models NIB for a month or so just in case... at this point I am thinking of selling them and getting an airbrush.

Joyboozer wrote:
I have no idea if I'm receiving a package or refund! SPMs communication is pathetic, CMON get back to you same or next day.

One of their last couple updates(the one about confirming shipping info) mentioned no more refunds.

In update 87, pics were posted of some of the wip masters. Looking at Marie Claude, I'm not sure that the loss of detail is entirely from the material; that is to say, the final miniature might be a better translation from master to production model than previously thought.



Clearly much of the detail and pinstripes present on the render never made it to tooling. This is particularly noticeable on the back of the legs.

Interesting. Not sure how much good it does now, but at least we have some insight into the process.

I wonder if they left the detail off of the master knowing they couldn't cast it / it wouldn't come out in the cast? Why else would you leave off the detail when printing it?

@Dentry - no, I think Kingdom Death is handling hard plastic brilliantly, and is setting a standard, it was just a petty jibe that the style of the line has necessitated some of the "extremities" being made from quite a few pieces!

Hard plastic is clearly the way to go, it just costs a really quite extreme amount of money - more than Relic Knights had to fund an entire line, I think. With HIP, I think you either have to sell 50+ of them per customer (like Mantic's wargames), or in $50-$80 expansions like KD, so I'm sympathetic to when that doesn't fit the business model. I hope the prices start dropping a bit more as production in China expands, and Kickstarters will end up being less of a lottery...

So...what I'm getting is that shipping to Asia Pacific hasn't even started despite it supposedly starting in May

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
I have no idea if I'm receiving a package or refund! SPMs communication is pathetic, CMON get back to you same or next day.

One of their last couple updates(the one about confirming shipping info) mentioned no more refunds.

Yeah, I was in before that but got no conformation.

Joyboozer wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
I have no idea if I'm receiving a package or refund! SPMs communication is pathetic, CMON get back to you same or next day.

One of their last couple updates(the one about confirming shipping info) mentioned no more refunds.

Yeah, I was in before that but got no conformation.

Then you're probably getting product.

Well at least Joyboozer got a reaction at first. I got none up to now and I asked for it in January! :(

Mine are going straight on ebay, before the flood and retail hit hopefully.

SeanDrake wrote:
Mine are going straight on ebay, before the flood and retail hit hopefully.

Just hoping to get your money back?

The game system is quite fun.

From the just launched XenoShyft Onslaught campaign by CMoN:

...we are currently shipping Kaosball, Zombicide Season 2 (second wave), and will begin shipping Relic Knights soon.

So, they're in the process of shipping Kaosball and Zombicide 2, but not yet Relic Knights. I don't know if shipping one campaign has an effect on the other... I'm sure CMoN would say it doesn't, but some effect seems likely.

Just thought it was interesting to note... seemingly, they'll want to have this one shipped before launching Zombicide 3.

I thought Z2 was done. Have all the non-USA gotten it yet?

In theory it's (just) finished shipping but there are still US and RoW backers in the comments asking where their stuff is

Deke posted some in progress pictures of Doctrine models being painted here.

Are they all armed with lacrosse sticks? Seems like they might be drifting a little close to the danger zone with that.

 Wehrkind wrote:
Are they all armed with lacrosse sticks? Seems like they might be drifting a little close to the danger zone with that.

It'd be a bigger concern if they were ping pong paddles.

Alt response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3D7Y_ycSms

Paging Kenny Loggins. Kenny Loggins, please contact the office.

Motion to begin referring to this game as "Restic Knights". Is there a second?

Credit to Piston_Honda for the idea here. Hilarious, and appropriate

I second the motion Rhode Island, but I still feel we should wait until the models are in hand before passing final judgement on quality.

I love it. But yeah, I will also wait to see them in hand before I bend the knee for restic knighthood

Motion DENIED.

I think the term "Restic Knights" should be the name of our new group - a group of like-minded individuals who band together to rid the world of the evil that is...Restic.

Of at the very least, warn as many unsuspecting innocents away from restic as possible.

Restic Knights-

Blood. Swearing. Regret.

 Alpharius wrote:
Motion DENIED.

I think the term "Restic Knights" should be the name of our new group - a group of like-minded individuals who band together to rid the world of the evil that is...Restic.

Of at the very least, warn as many unsuspecting innocents away from restic as possible.

Isn't that like naming your anti-STD group "Syphilis Knights"?

Sounds more like we would be crusading for restic, not to purge it.

Restic Knights is fitting.

Like "Death Company" the name Restic Knights lets all know of the order's terrible affliction: a group of knights suffering the pains of an unholy concoction, perhaps in penitence for past hubris.

The credit for the Candy Heart mini has now shown up in my Soda Pop store account

(quite a few have seen it come in as 2 separate deposits so don't be confused it that happens to you)

I wonder what happens to those who don't have an account?

Also, Deke promised that he'd have a solution for EU backers on the shipping issue here, but I've no idea what it is.

They will create new accounts using your KS email as the log in for anyone who doesn't have an account.

Mine showed up in my account this morning in 2 lots you should have a total of 1500 ninja points 1 point = 1 cent.

It can be used for anything in the store or in the SDE:FK PM. No word on non US shipping though.

I'd imagine they're waiting to get a firm commitment from an EU based distributor for Relic Knights and SDE (now they are not being handled by CMON),

and hoping that said distributor will agree to handle bringing in a bunch of the Candys to post out as sealed, addressed packages (or perhaps for sale)

I suspect I'll use mine to add something from Forgotten King I would not otherwise have got and actually buy Candy with cash if they get things sorted out

Yes, for SDE backers, using the credit on that looks like the more sensible option - no extra shipping woes, and Kickstarter prices! A single 28mm Relic Knights model, or (for an additional $5) 12 adorable slimes and 6 giant double-sided game boards.

I've only just had a chance to look at those Doctrine initiates - they're a bit horrifying! Microskirted legs disappearing into giant knee-foot cones. Baggy yet strangely skintight trousers with a bare torso/sweater vest/waistcoat combo. I'm going to have less reservations about chopping up/puttying these things, to see what I can do.

 Dentry wrote:
Restic Knights is fitting.

Like "Death Company" the name Restic Knights lets all know of the order's terrible affliction: a group of knights suffering the pains of an unholy concoction, perhaps in penitence for past hubris.

Exactly.

We know what we're hunting, and there can be no rest until it is dead and gone.

All of it!

Also, I'm OK with a better name, if one presents itself!

I'm happy for the term to be a "catch all" for the support / crusading group, games that fit the description, etc! But I agree that it fits the group best

Restic knights of the soft-detailed, mold-lined, not-quite-round table

Will make an Alcoholics Anonymous type thread in discussions later today unless someone beasts me to it . The first step on the road to recovery is acknowledging you have a problem.

I am 100% seriously not kiddingt when I say a group like that will be VERY helpful.

I mean, there are Kickstarters going on RIGHT NOW that I need to be talked out of!

DRAKERYS is using PVC!

BUT IT LOOKS SO NICE!!!

(Resin Masters, painted)

HELP!

 Alpharius wrote:
I am 100% seriously not kiddingt when I say a group like that will be VERY helpful.

I mean, there are Kickstarters going on RIGHT NOW that I need to be talked out of!

DRAKERYS is using PVC!

BUT IT LOOKS SO NICE!!!

(Resin Masters, painted)

HELP!

I'm sure everything will look great! :^)

It is a clever name but honestly if there is a group against PVC plastic we need to put an end to the term "restic" as well. Makes us seem uninformed and far less credible when we rally against something and don't even use the proper term.

Er, I was under the impression that we weren't going to 100% SRS BZNS and more tongue in cheek with this group?

The HIPS-lar Order? Symbol of a red polystyrene molecule on a white field?

I'd wear that on a t-shirt. I currently have a caffeine molecule on my coffee mug in fact, so it would go nicely!

Although I am partial to resin, good old, reliable, hand poured resin.

Restic Knights Anonymous group started here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/599178.page#6907339

Join me, brothers, as I have joined my mentor Piston Honda. Help hold me accountable whenever I am tempted to start down the road of restic addiction again. And I will do the same for you, if only you will come forward, and admit that you have a problem.

I have taken the first step on the road to recovery. I hope that I will not be alone.

Quick post from Deke on the $15 it could take up to 10 days before you see it especially if you don't have an existing account

Couple answers to your questions:

Credits cannot be combined. They are one per backer, per account.

The account and credit is being applied to the e-mail address you supplied Kickstarter. Once you have the account you can change you default e-mail address if you wish in your account settings.

If you do not have a Soda Pop account you do not need to create one, we will do that automatically as part of the process. Please don't create one now!

The credit can be applied to anything in the Soda Pop Store, including the eventual Forgotten King Kickstarter items. (Even if you missed out on the Kickstarter!)

We have started processing the credits, but are doing them in batches of 100 (sadly the max allowed by our store) so they are taking some time to go through and will be happening over the course of the next 7-10 days. I will post when we are done.

I got mine straight away, I was supposed to be getting a refund!

Hah! You thought you were getting what you wanted?

It's sad, but I'm glad I dodged this bullet. I love the idea of the Circi Racers, and love it even more now that I play Neon Strike Vi in League of Legends and have watched Redline. But those faces- sorry, unfaces!

I... I guess I'm glad I pulled my pledge here (due to lack of funds as I recall, rather then butthurt), seeing as I wanted Black Diamond and Noh. The Noh look reasonable still, but the Black Diamond would be going straight into the big bin of restic that will never be assembled or painted. And the BD are far from the worst. If I pledged for some of those other figures, I'd be out for blood - especially after this many delays.

And I'll always be able to buy the Noh Oni figures (which are the main ones I wanted) at retail for tons less than the Noh + Black Diamond + rules sets I would have pledged for would have cost me.

No more schadenfreude - I can't take it!

Thankfully, this was a campaign from the early days of Kickstarters, and even a pledge for quite a bit wasn't too painful.

But this one is certainly another nail in the "BAG O'MINIS"/"Restic" campaign coffin.

*No, it actually is pretty painful.

Yea, I have Noh and Black Dragons coming, and as soon as I get them it will be Black Dragons going, and Noh holding an uncertain place.

Pretty sure it's "Black Diamonds", Wehr... just sayin'

I'm pretty sure that it is going to end up being called "Restic Crud", actually.

I thought the black diamond stuff didn't turn out too bad.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I thought the black diamond stuff didn't turn out too bad.

Their tank thing is pretty bad.

 CptJake wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I thought the black diamond stuff didn't turn out too bad.

Their tank thing is pretty bad.

Yeah, it was pretty warped-looking wasn't it? I was thinking of the infantry mostly.

Edit: I'm having to fight my auto-correct today. Sheesh.

Which kind of illustrates the risk in this material (particularly with companies who are inexperienced with it) as I would've thought the tank would be a safe bet, and was something I was seriously considering backing for...

 RiTides wrote:
Which kind of illustrates the risk in this material (particularly with companies who are inexperienced with it) as I would've thought the tank would be a safe bet, and was something I was seriously considering backing for...

After the messes that are my marauder gun tracks from Mantic, I am convinced restic and vehicles don't mix.

Soft detail and mold lines galore:

A local friend says he just got his tracking info for this.

I just checked my CMON account online and...

..I do not have a tracking number.

Neither here.

Figures that Cerci would be the hardest hit by detail loss. I swear everything I pick is the proverbial red-headed stepchild.

What 40K army have I played since 2nd ed? Sisters of Battle.
City of Heroes MMORPG class? Dark Defender.
Relic Knights? Cerci.

The list goes on and on...

 RiTides wrote:
A local friend says he just got his tracking info for this.

I just received my tracking number, it should be at my house next wednesday... All 12 pounds of it.

Did you get an email confirmation, or did you log in to CMoN's website?

Any pics of this apparently disappointing tank?

 warboss wrote:
Any pics of this apparently disappointing tank?

I assume you mean this one:



Notice the lovely mold lines and soft detail.

And the lack of detail in the inner faces of the tracks.

Ah, thanks. I'm also very unimpressed with the detail on that. It looks like a complicated board game piece.

Which is what the material should mostly be limited to!

I can't remember, was the LE Candy and Cola from last years gencon "restic" or resin?

Also, confirmation that the following images work would be appreciated.

Looking at the casting gates I would guess that's what people term "proper resin"

Ah well, I was still holding on to that hope! The final nail will or won't come when it's in my hands though.

Edit: At least I know how to link photos on a mobile phone now.

Yes, all indications from those pics are of hand cast resin.

No tracking info here either. Ordered damn near everything, too.

DON'T LAUGH!

 RiTides wrote:
Yes, all indications from those pics are of hand cast resin.

I can confirm that I have that Candy mini

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Did you get an email confirmation, or did you log in to CMoN's website?

Email confirmation.

It appears it's being delivered on horseback though, It's not supposed to be delivered until next thrusday now... Georgia to NJ in more then a week...

Well the first reports of arrivals trickle in (nobody's posted photos on any open forums/groups yet that I've seen though)

It looks like there may be a common issue with missing items from the Cerci starters (3 Hells Belles & 1 Pacer bot), hopefully CMON spot the problem soon or they'll have soooo much postage to cover

Also a report of missing scenic bases

Considering I have a complicated "Gotta Catch 'em All" pledge of just Cerci, Black Diamond, and Noh(with lots of addons and extras) I imagine I'll be on the tail end of fulfillment. It would be great if they do catch it soon, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

It's not a big surprise to hear Cerci orders are getting shorted considering the shift in box contents from what was originally outlined in the KS. With the CMON/SP split there was bound to be a packing problem.

It's also likely CMON hasn't realized that they needed almost double the number of Belles and Pacers and haven't made enough to fulfill the KS. It would be great if Soda Pop and CMON made an annoucement about what is appearing to be a consistent packing issue.

I didn't think that the box contents had shifted (since the campaign ended, anyway). The KS Cerci starter is completely different to the retail starter, however! Not a single overlapping model. So it's possible that these were assembled by a different team/process

Hopefully, the European packages being assembled in China is going to result in fewer rather than more of these issues! I'm not exactly hopeful though, given that Sodapop had to fly someone out there to supervise, after initial concerns with the packing there!

Bioptic wrote:
I didn't think that the box contents had shifted (since the campaign ended, anyway). The KS Cerci starter is completely different to the retail starter, however! Not a single overlapping model. So it's possible that these were assembled by a different team/process

Right, I meant that the retail boxes don't align with the original KS offerings in an easy to pack way. Bound to be problems.

I guess?

But after the complete screw up that is this campaign, I would've expected more care to be taken now, when it is FINALLY shipping...

So still not shipping to anywhere other than America? Really??

I am in the States and haven't gotten shipping information yet, so it is possible they are just barely shipping to America even. So don't feel left out

I'm only guessing, but I assume they're starting with the simplest orders. SDE only, single faction starters, and such.

And there may be a significant delay now that the CERCI packing problem has come to light...

A number of people are reporting that when they contacted CMoN over the Cerci issue they have been told to contact SPM directly to sort it out. Talk about not giving a damn, throw it out the door and be done with it then let SPM deal with the fallout. They really have no reason to get it right if they don't have to sort it out. CMoN are responsible for this to the end whatever has happened between them and SPM in the meantime. They ran the KS they took the money, now deal with the issues.

 DaveC wrote:
Revised by DaveC.

I think you might need some more punctuation there, but I believe I get what you're saying. CMoN just wants to be done with it, consequences be damned. There must be some sort of bad blood going on there.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

I think you might need some more punctuation there, but I believe I get what you're saying.

Sorry yeah I just read it again and rewrote parts of it

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I'm only guessing, but I assume they're starting with the simplest orders. SDE only, single faction starters, and such.

I had my shipping info on the 9th an I ordered a "Clean sweep" (basically everything).
Now, however, while my package was supposed to arrive yesterday it now says "incorrect address-recipient moved."
Problems that follow:
A. I did move, but to another apartment number in the same complex
B. I changed my shipping address to my place of business rather than my apartment almost a month ago. Well before shipping info.
C. The shipping number in the email is a fed-ex shipping email, and I can click a link and view it on their site, but the number itself is incredibly long. Have called Fedex twice, and in spite of explaining that I have the package's tracking info on their website now, they say it's an invalid tracking number and they can't assist me in any way.

This is by far the worst Kickstarter experience I've had from A to Z.

 DaveC wrote:
A number of people are reporting that when they contacted CMoN over the Cerci issue they have been told to contact SPM directly to sort it out. Talk about not giving a damn, throw it out the door and be done with it then let SPM deal with the fallout. They really have no reason to get it right if they don't have to sort it out. CMoN are responsible for this to the end whatever has happened between them and SPM in the meantime. They ran the KS they took the money, now deal with the issues.

And of course I picked Cerci as one of my factions.

I too wish to be done with this one!

Hopefully CMON and/or Soda Ninja makes an announcement soon!

So how much did everyone buy in for. Remorse time.

I'm in for 4 factions, all the bonuses for those four, the cosplay figs, and the SDE figs.

I think I am only in for 200-250$. I just got two factions and a few Noh add ons, fortunately.

Too damn much, most likely.

I don't like to think about it.

I just try to focus on Kingdom Death and Mierce stuff...

Everything Cerci related, plus the Black Diamond starter that came with the Savior pledge. I think I may have popped for a set of boost tokens in addition to the one in the pledge, its hard to say at this point because the pledge manager appears to list things like the lithograph which was included with savior as I recall, but doesn't list other things included.

If I end up with two sets of tokens I'm going to have so much scatter terrain I'll be able to do a 4x6 cargo hold. I have Hirst Arts, Antenociti, Deadzone, Ainsty, plus Maki when it arrives... pretty ridiculous.