Don't forget the pic Dave!



I went in for...a lot.

Big mistake, I'm afraid.

I hope to be able to salvage something fun from all this.

And lesson learned and all that...

Did you get in on Sedition Wars as well?

Of course I did.

Spent WAY less there than I did here, but it was still too much there, in the end...

 warboss wrote:
Did you get in on Sedition Wars as well?

The sedition wars minis aren't nearly as bad as these appear to be.

In fact, the Sedition Wars minis (minus the "shrunken" 2nd wave ones) are the best examples of the material on the market. I realize that's like saying you're the best at duck duck goose, but I'm still mostly happy with my Sedition Wars minis.

Lots of pics here

https://www.facebook.com/Shadablade/media_set?set=a.10202639999536825.1073741828.1102824875&type=3

I'm actually very encouraged, there are a bunch of mould lines to deal with, but the actual detail does seem to be there in these shots,

so for those of us who can/will work with restic things are looking OK, not resin/polystyrene sharp, but certainly perfectly useable

Either way the true test will be when they're in our hands to from our own opinions- although those pictures are encouraging.

Hmm, those do look a lot better detail wise. The mold lines are annoying, but might, just might, be worth cleaning for the models now.

 cincydooley wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Did you get in on Sedition Wars as well?

The sedition wars minis aren't nearly as bad as these appear to be.

In fact, the Sedition Wars minis (minus the "shrunken" 2nd wave ones) are the best examples of the material on the market. I realize that's like saying you're the best at duck duck goose, but I'm still mostly happy with my Sedition Wars minis.

If we are talking phase 1Vanguard and larger Strain, I agree. But phase 2... man. And the only reason I made it through pase one was because I gave up on cleaning the strain zombies.

However, the kicker that really got me in the shorts was the pricing scheme. $10 for a restic homage figure (botched) plus an unwanted turd of a strain version just turned out to be too much. $15 for one spacemarine-sized restic THI suit was just infuriating.

So turns out they're not air-freighting the EU packages at all. Nice to know -_-

Not happy about that at all definitely not what they promised. So what are we looking at now - 6 to 8 weeks again they pack them, ship them, go through customs and then re ship them. I was hoping to have them last week of July at the latest that might not even happen now.

Can someone find the specific quote saying they will airmail it to everyone?

Sining wrote:
Can someone find the specific quote saying they will airmail it to everyone?

This is the one you want

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/relic-knights/posts/640622

2b. EU - fly a small team to China to supervise kitting of each individual EU package (working with our factory partners there) so there will be no packing cock ups, then airship the completed packages to the EU for distribution. Or in simpler terms, we will pack, seal and address your packages at the factory, then post it from within the EU, and that means everyone in the EU will get shipped at the same time.

Got my package...
at my parent's house which is not the address I provided in the pledge manager.
Which means I now get to wait a month in order to get my "early" shipped package that has errors that I'll have to try and get sorted out with the company unless I pay to ship it to myself.

Look on the bright side, corrections for defects and mispacks wont be available until shipping is complete now. So you've got some time anyway.

I really, really hope the person writing that update messed up and sailing packages to the EU doesn't happen

otherwise it will be 3 weeks to pack it in china (and I fear I'm being optimistic), 5 weeks on the boat, 1 week in customs then another 2 weeks to post it

I doubt anybody will see anything till August, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were still arriving beginning of September

Got my box of stuff this afternoon.

I was surprised by the detail on the models. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of mold lines but the stuff really does look good.

The material their made out of seems harder then what sedition wars and sde are made from.

Does anyone want pics of something specific?

Did this one ship complete?

Are you happy with the quality of most of the models, especially the smaller 'human' figures?

I'd love to see one of the larger models, like maybe Candy Rush or the Void Reaper, if you got them?

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Does anyone want pics of something specific?

Yes, a picture of someone actually having received something from a SPM kickstarter.

I got my tracking number email early this afternoon and the box itself arrived only three hours later. The known issues with the missing Cerci stuff and missing base inserts hit me as well as no playmat. I have heard the playmat is in a different box so I'll see if FedEx visits again tomorrow.

There was a good reason the black diamond corps photo kept popping up when people doubted the quality, those guys -especially the arms- have the worst loss of detail of all the minis. most of the models are much sharper. The vast majority look better than Privateer Press minis from the same factory.

Mold lines are hit and miss. Most parts have acceptable lines that are not in bad places but I have seen a few that are very nasty and will need to be replaced. I was very impressed with how minimal they kept mold lines on some of the super thin parts. Kisa's tail. Rin's gun, and especially Fritz's pistol are more delicate than I thought was possible in PVC plastic. Oddly enough, sometimes the best and worst parts were in the same kit.

I'll see if I can get some comparison photos of plastic and resin/metal Sebastian and Isabau in the next few days.

Heads. Particularly, if you could take some nice mugshots.

Are the mold lines just as bad to clean up with your typical PVC/restic minis?

A couple people have received items. Can you post pics of anything! Maybe line up an example of each faction or team or whatever they are called.

So looks like EU backers will be getting their rewards approximately 2 months after this hits retail. Nice, real nice.

 Dentry wrote:
Heads. Particularly, if you could take some nice mugshots.

I'll do what I can but I spent money on a minis game from kickstarter rather than a nice camera. I'm not sure how well my camera will focus on tiny gray shapes. I did not order Hasami, the mini that was accused of having a bad face several pages back so you won't get an update on that from me. In my opinion the faces I took a close look at are stylized but look good.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Are the mold lines just as bad to clean up with your typical PVC/restic minis?

With a knife they feel about the same. The plastic is very dense but maybe not as rubbery as the stuff PP uses. I'll try a file on a piece or two and get back to you. I'll get you some photos of the best and worst mold lines along with some of the smallest parts (which turned out very good for pvc).

Makaleth wrote:A couple people have received items. Can you post pics of anything! Maybe line up an example of each faction or team or whatever they are called

Patience my friend. I just got the box at a very unexpected time yesterday and barely had time to survey and sort things before my friends came over for some gaming we had planned earlier in the week. I'm a stickler for mold line removal so it will take a while to get things assembled. I'll try to get you some parts photos along with the head photos.

Thanks,

it helps make the EU wait less painfull

(and the big playmat shipped in a separate package, the big tube in the picture on the latest update, so fingers crossed it arrives for you soon)

Joyboozer wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:
Does anyone want pics of something specific?

Yes, a picture of someone actually having received something from a SPM kickstarter.

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 Alpharius wrote:
Did this one ship complete?

Are you happy with the quality of most of the models, especially the smaller 'human' figures?

I'd love to see one of the larger models, like maybe Candy Rush or the Void Reaper, if you got them?

No I'm missing base inserts and the other models the already identified.

Overall I'm happy with the models, I haven't opened much of it... That box is latterly packed full, but what I've opened I like.

Got my shipping notification last night. Should be in today or Monday. Odd how some of those don't look as bad as the photos SPM took. We're they just showing the worst of the worst?

Did anyone else get the space maid and void angel? I'll try to get pictures of them when they come in for me.


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Shipping update- everything IS being airmailed.



Project Update #121: Shipping update, EU correction
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We've realized from feedback that we made a mistake in communicating EU "break bulk" shipping - this is going by air, not by boat. Sorry for any confusion and anxiety caused for all of you in the EU. We'll keep you posted once this is on the way.

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Phew,

whether this was a genuine mistake, or whether this represents a re-think of a foolish attempt to save a bit of cash

I'm much happier now

I think the only reason the response was so quick and in the backers favour was due to some backers starting to camp the xenoshyft comment section. They managed a speedy Saturday u-turn and then tried to flood the comments if the front page of xenoshyft with some PR announcements. They still haven't announced why the parcels with furthest to travel where packed last.

It wasn't a mistake, they thought they could get away with it and then panicked when they thought it might hurt their live kickstarter.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I think the only reason the response was so quick and in the backers favour was due to some backers starting to camp the xenoshyft comment section. They managed a speedy Saturday u-turn and then tried to flood the comments if the front page of xenoshyft with some PR announcements. They still haven't announced why the parcels with furthest to travel where packed last.

It wasn't a mistake, they thought they could get away with it and then panicked when they thought it might hurt their live kickstarter.

'Squeeky wheel gets the grease.' I suspect you're correct and CMON didn't like the squeeky wheels in Xenoshyft

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I think the only reason the response was so quick and in the backers favour was due to some backers starting to camp the xenoshyft comment section. They managed a speedy Saturday u-turn and then tried to flood the comments if the front page of xenoshyft with some PR announcements. They still haven't announced why the parcels with furthest to travel where packed last.

It wasn't a mistake, they thought they could get away with it and then panicked when they thought it might hurt their live kickstarter.

Stay classy Europe. Don't you have soccer to watch :-P

It's pretty simple. CMoN isn't packing them.

At least this means I didn't have to actually camp that early bird pledge for xenoshyft all the way till the end

 cincydooley wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I think the only reason the response was so quick and in the backers favour was due to some backers starting to camp the xenoshyft comment section. They managed a speedy Saturday u-turn and then tried to flood the comments if the front page of xenoshyft with some PR announcements. They still haven't announced why the parcels with furthest to travel where packed last.

It wasn't a mistake, they thought they could get away with it and then panicked when they thought it might hurt their live kickstarter.

Stay classy Europe. Don't you have soccer to watch :-P

It's pretty simple. CMoN isn't packing them.

One can't crawl beneath the belly of a snake, except maybe for the French ;-)

In other news I have my tracking info. Should be here Monday or Tuesday.

Still nothing for me!

And since they said they're going in order from largest to smallest order size, wow!

You guys spent more than I did?!?!?

Well, they said they had two teams, one on small, one large. They may have pulled the large order team for the foul up on the inserts. I haven't got mine either, and I ordered 1 of everything short of the plushies and sde models.

OK then, I guess all of you guys ordered LESS than I did - and that turned out to be a very smart move...

...for you!

I probably ordered slightly less, but I still got 4 complete factions, various other sundries, and all of the bonus figures. I think it was probably just random happenstance...

Unless that is, in fact, for this KS a small order.....

I orderd little but CMON tracking info always arrives after the package, so there's every chance mine is on it's way.

 Alpharius wrote:
Still nothing for me!

And since they said they're going in order from largest to smallest order size, wow!

You guys spent more than I did?!?!?

or they just don't like you

 Alpharius wrote:
Still nothing for me!

And since they said they're going in order from largest to smallest order size, wow!

You guys spent more than I did?!?!?

Keep an eye out for your mail carrier. As I stated in an earlier post, my tracking number email arrived only three hours before the package itself.
I also only got my main box and not my battlemat tube.

Was everything being sent USPS? UPS? FedEX?

Was sure it was UPS.

 Dentry wrote:
Was everything being sent USPS? UPS? FedEX?

Was sure it was UPS.

Fedex for me.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Are the mold lines just as bad to clean up with your typical PVC/restic minis?

With a knife they feel about the same. The plastic is very dense but maybe not as rubbery as the stuff PP uses. I'll try a file on a piece or two and get back to you. I'll get you some photos of the best and worst mold lines along with some of the smallest parts (which turned out very good for pvc).

A little follow-up on this subject: I used a file on a boost marker model and it worked rather well. The plastic did not get those annoying fuzzies like many PP minis do when you file them. The formula for RK minis seems to be a different formula from what Privateer Press uses bcause they are much less rubbery.
I feel like this information might be relevant to hat "restic knights" thread but they seem awfully dismissive of anything that goes against the opinions they have already formed.

 Dais wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
Are the mold lines just as bad to clean up with your typical PVC/restic minis?

With a knife they feel about the same. The plastic is very dense but maybe not as rubbery as the stuff PP uses. I'll try a file on a piece or two and get back to you. I'll get you some photos of the best and worst mold lines along with some of the smallest parts (which turned out very good for pvc).

A little follow-up on this subject: I used a file on a boost marker model and it worked rather well. The plastic did not get those annoying fuzzies like many PP minis do when you file them. The formula for RK minis seems to be a different formula from what Privateer Press uses bcause they are much less rubbery.
I feel like this information might be relevant to hat "restic knights" thread but they seem awfully dismissive of anything that goes against the opinions they have already formed.

Or instead of some sort of Hive Mind they're a collection of individuals with some similar opinions?(it's also a sort of joke/funny thread) Using a file on them sounds like useful information to me. Would help with cleanup quite a bit. I've gotten "fuzzies" on models before as well, and it can be infuriating.

Sinful Hero is a bit closer to the truth than Dais - I think.

And hope!

 Alpharius wrote:
OK then, I guess all of you guys ordered LESS than I did - and that turned out to be a very smart move...

...for you!

I ordered roughly $500 worth of stuff.

Everything shipped FedEx Smart Post.

I hate smart post. It is never actually smart. Hah

 cincydooley wrote:
I hate smart post. It is never actually smart. Hah

It can be odd...

Initially my delivery time was 6/19, then 6/17, then 6/16, then 6/14 then it showed up out of the blue and unscheduled on the 13th...

I've gotten a chance to go through some more of it, the stuff is mostly better then I was expecting. There is an auction coming up at my FLGS this weekend, I might try and sell off two of my factions though.

I will eagerly be keeping my eyes peeled for deals since I missed this one and didn't know CMON was taking late backers at the time.

Looking forward to the people who were so fed up with CMON and their pledges they want to let this stuff go for Mantic level prices!

I dropped $370 and no shipping info yet. :(

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I will eagerly be keeping my eyes peeled for deals since I missed this one and didn't know CMON was taking late backers at the time.

Looking forward to the people who were so fed up with CMON and their pledges they want to let this stuff go for Mantic level prices!

There is some of it already on ebay.

Honestly though, I can't see this stuff reselling for as little as Mantic. While it's not GW quality models it's definatly better then most of the stuff mantic puts out.

I suppose that's at least a bit of good news...

Found this review on the RK kS

Model quality: I have mixed feelings about this. The sculpts are clean, and work very well given that they're going for more delicate, non-chunky proportions. Most of them mimic the art well, and there details are generally pretty crisp. However, expect to do a lot - and I mean a lot - of cleaning. The mold lines aren't a shocker, and are about comparable with a lot of other products, but the number and amount of sprue connections to clean up is frustrating. Many models have major sprue connections that feed directly into joints, making it almost impossible to clean off the excess plastic without impacting the fit. Many of these connect to very small pieces on the model, so you have major connections (One-shot's left shoulder joint is particularly egregious) that are smaller than the sprue joint you're trying to cut off them. They also have a lot of thick joins linked to very thin bits, like the drinking-straw thick piece that joined to the bottom of Leopold Magnus' cape in the middle of a fold.
I like the minis, and still plan on trying to soldier through to get them on the table, but it's going to take hours of cleanup before even a single faction is ready to prime.

So in other words, just like Sedition Wars, they take forever to clean and you will up with bleeding thumbs :(

That's kind of the news I was dreading...

Thank the God-Emperor of Mankind my favorite part of the hobby is building! I guess I'll have plenty to look forward to...

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Thank the God-Emperor of Mankind my favorite part of the hobby is building! I guess I'll have plenty to look forward to...

I know you said this tongue in cheek , but I actually didn't mind cleaning my sedition wars minis that much.

I don't think I'll get over the fact that cincy loves his Sedition Wars stuff as much as he does!

 Alpharius wrote:
I don't think I'll get over the fact that cincy loves his Sedition Wars stuff as much as he does!

But it did come with awesome bases.

My friend has been using my game board for his star wars minis, so there is that.

 Alpharius wrote:
I don't think I'll get over the fact that cincy loves his Sedition Wars stuff as much as he does!

Haha, it's not "love" them persay as "am not as angry as others." I think the design is nice, and the ones I've painted painted up really well.

There are problems, and the mould lines were there, but they just weren't as bothersome as some of the other PVC I've worked with.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Thank the God-Emperor of Mankind my favorite part of the hobby is building! I guess I'll have plenty to look forward to...

Modeling is definitely my favorite part of the hobby but there are limits.

I like building, I even love gluing.

But hate spending a long time one a single mini trying to slice, cut, scrape and/or file mold lines that seem to never disappear. It's even worse when you try to be careful and slice the mold lines (as many have told me) and the end result is my X-acto knife cutting into the miniature itself.


Agggggggggggggggggggggh!

 Piston Honda wrote:


I like building, I even love gluing.

But hate spending a long time one a single mini trying to slice, cut, scrape and/or file mold lines that seem to never disappear. It's even worse when you try to be careful and slice the mold lines (as many have told me) and the end result is my X-acto knife cutting into the miniature itself.


Agggggggggggggggggggggh!

Completely agree. One of the major pitfalls of PVC (and especially privateers, I've noticed) is that some of these mould lines can be really hard to get off the model without lopping off some detail.

Maybe it's just been so long since I've cleaned one that I'm not remembering Sedition Wars correctly. I might actually assemble one this evening to remind myself.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I will eagerly be keeping my eyes peeled for deals since I missed this one and didn't know CMON was taking late backers at the time.

Looking forward to the people who were so fed up with CMON and their pledges they want to let this stuff go for Mantic level prices!

There is some of it already on ebay.

Honestly though, I can't see this stuff reselling for as little as Mantic. While it's not GW quality models it's definatly better then most of the stuff mantic puts out.

?? I made a buttload selling of my KoW pledge (including a lot of the much-maligned Basilean Men at Arms)

 cincydooley wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Thank the God-Emperor of Mankind my favorite part of the hobby is building! I guess I'll have plenty to look forward to...

I know you said this tongue in cheek , but I actually didn't mind cleaning my sedition wars minis that much.

It was not as tongue in cheek as you think- I actually enjoying assembling more than painting.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Thank the God-Emperor of Mankind my favorite part of the hobby is building! I guess I'll have plenty to look forward to...

I know you said this tongue in cheek , but I actually didn't mind cleaning my sedition wars minis that much.

It was not as tongue in cheek as you think- I actually enjoying assembling more than painting.

I'm really glad to hear I'm not the only one!

Got my tracking number!

The package was picked up today, in Georgia.

And apparently won't make to me in Massachusetts until Monday the 23rd!

 Alpharius wrote:
Got my tracking number!

The package was picked up today, in Georgia.

And apparently won't make to me in Massachusetts until Monday the 23rd!

What did you end up getting again? I may actually be willing to buy some stuff off of you

Pretty much everything except Doctrine...

This was back in the early, heady days of miniature wargaming Kickstarters - back before grim reality, and the limitations of PVC, set in...

 Alpharius wrote:
the limitations of PVC, set in...

I get it!

Got excited by an email from CMoN which turned out to be 48hr notice on Xenoshyt.

I wonder if someone should just start putting out new tools specifically for working with this kind of material.

 Alpharius wrote:
Pretty much everything except Doctrine...

This was back in the early, heady days of miniature wargaming Kickstarters - back before grim reality, and the limitations of PVC, set in...

My wife really likes the Cersi stuff and I didn't get anything but the starter....none of the bonuses.....

Went through my pledge today- everything Cerci, Noh, and Black Diamond plus the prismatic Candy and Cola, Void Angel, and Cordelia Clean. Only two of my Cerci Models suffered from the dreaded "No-Face": the long haired pit crew girl and princess Malya. Mold lines didn't look too bad in my opinion. Everything else looked great.

Oh, and each box of Hell's Belles was missing a torso, and Cordelia Clean was missing her gun barrels so I'll need to call about that.

Definately glad I got the Void Angel and prismatic Candy and Cola- my favorite models of the bunch. I'm definately going to pick up more at Gencon.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Went through my pledge today- everything Cerci, Noh, and Black Diamond plus the prismatic Candy and Cola, Void Angel, and Cordelia Clean. Only two of my Cerci Models suffered from the dreaded "No-Face": the long haired pit crew girl and princess Malya. Mold lines didn't look too bad in my opinion. Everything else looked great.

Oh, and each box of Hell's Belles was missing a torso, and Cordelia Clean was missing her gun barrels so I'll need to call about that.

Definately glad I got the Void Angel and prismatic Candy and Cola- my favorite models of the bunch. I'm definately going to pick up more at Gencon.

This is great to hear. Looking forward to getting mine tomorrow.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Went through my pledge today- everything Cerci, Noh, and Black Diamond plus the prismatic Candy and Cola, Void Angel, and Cordelia Clean. Only two of my Cerci Models suffered from the dreaded "No-Face": the long haired pit crew girl and princess Malya. Mold lines didn't look too bad in my opinion. Everything else looked great.

Oh, and each box of Hell's Belles was missing a torso, and Cordelia Clean was missing her gun barrels so I'll need to call about that.

Definately glad I got the Void Angel and prismatic Candy and Cola- my favorite models of the bunch. I'm definately going to pick up more at Gencon.

This is great to hear. Looking forward to getting mine tomorrow.

I'm thinking the Hell's Belles was a packing error. Both were missing the same torso, so I'm guessing they're all going to be like that. I had both pace bots so I believe they had caught the error. Also missing the mat, but my shopping notice said "phase one" so I suppose they're going to ship it later.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Oh, and each box of Hell's Belles was missing a torso

Same here, I wonder if that is going to be a trend.

 Vertrucio wrote:
I wonder if someone should just start putting out new tools specifically for working with this kind of material.

There are tools which handle restic really well.

Early field reports have me...cautiously optimistic.

[Cue X-Files Theme Song]

I want to believe.

I'll have mine this evening.

And it's my birthday, so the wife can't NOT let me assemble.

Many photos will come.

Happy Birthday!

And - I'm looking forward to your photos and opinions on the Relic Knights stuff...

Happy birthday Cincy!

I got my tracking yesterday, looks to be here the 24th? Seems slow, but then the only real advantage to living near DC is damned near overnight USPS delivery speeds.

Wehr - I got my tracking number yesterday too, live a good deal north of you, and I'm scheduled to get it a day before you.

Logic - ha!

FedEx Smart Post is the least smart thing ever.

I live in Cincinnati. My package was in Dayton yesterday, 45 mins away.

The package went to Indianapolis, 100 mins away.

It'll come today.

And I'll never understand SmartPosts shipping queues.

 cincydooley wrote:
FedEx Smart Post is the least smart thing ever.

I live in Cincinnati. My package was in Dayton yesterday, 45 mins away.

The package went to Indianapolis, 100 mins away.

It'll come today.

And I'll never understand SmartPosts shipping queues.

That still beats the USPS. I had a package sent from New York that just needed to go down the Atlantic coast to the south that took a detour through the Rockies.

Unless you live near DC's Dulles sorting center. Then you can get gak to Montana next day.

Can't imagine why... it's almost like the people who get to tell the PO what to do get the best service!

I got my package but am missing a couple kits for cerci speed and the helles belles kit is missing one of the three riders... It was nice to see that box overflowing with little RK boxes bit after looking through it and trying to remember what the hell I was supposed to get i started to realize some issue with the whole thing.

1 the package itself didnt have a packing list so it's not surprising that some things were not there. With how many boxes and stuff are in there I wasn't even sure what I was supposed to get.

2 the kits themselves don't have any type of instructions whatsoever, and most don't show a photo of the model even on the boxes so figuring out what each piece is (some very tiny) is a bit of a pain, and it is impossible to quickly lay out all the bits and make sure that they are all there is impossible. Even the starter sets are just a big baggie full of tons of bits so it will be a confusing to sort out the bits before assembly.

3 the mini rulebook has confused text in the index and on the back cover because it is obvious that the text is a cut n paste job from the full-sized book and therefore the index is totally inaccurate and the back of the book mentions all of the great stuff inside the book which is actually not in the book... Oops

I am glad I finally got my stuff but I think I am basically done with kickstarter for games from now on...

 Hashshashin wrote:
I got my package but am missing a couple kits for cerci speed and the helles belles kit is missing one of the three riders...

This appears to be common if not universal. Are you missing an entire rider, or just the top half of the body?

The entire body, not just half. Her head and arms are in the littler baggie I think, but no not just the torso the legs and torso are missing

 Hashshashin wrote:
The entire body, not just half. Her head and arms are in the littler baggie I think, but no not just the torso the legs and torso are missing

Same problem here. Both of my Hell's Belles boxes had the same pieces, and the same pieces missing- the second legs/torso. D

Did anyone else get Cordelia Clean? Is it missing the gun barrels as well?

I don't see the problem with the loose pieces- it's fairly obvious where everything is supposed to go. On the big robots all the connections are made with little jigsaw pieces on them so you just have to find what connects to what. Star to star, circle to circle, square to square, etc.

Didn't bother looking at the mini book. The large one seems well laid out, and everything seems to be kept contained to the right section(unlike some other large miniature companies that hide rules in other parts of the book). Of course I only took a cursory glance through it.

My original concerns were just based on miniature quality and delivery date. After reading through the comments from backers that have received their boxes, I'm now also worried about completeness and the timeframe to fix all those issues.

CMoN already stated that any corrections will have to wait until the fulfillment portion is done. But what kind of time are we looking at when every Cerci Hell's Belles set (and other sets presumably) are all missing the same pieces? I'd imagine they'd have to make those bits or cannibalize existing product (assuming they have enough) and pack and ship those bits which sounds labor intensive to say the least.

Yeah, I'm guessing it is going to take a while to fix mispacks, missing items, miscast items, etc.

Especially when you consider it will probably be a bit of a hot potato between CMON and Soda Ninja too.

Ugh.

These miniatures damn well better be good/worth it!!!

So initial impressions: the detail on the minis ive opened thusfar is pretty damn good. Theres some mould lines of course (because of the material) bit some of them have even scraped off with my thumbnail.

I havent looked through my hells bells yet, but i am missing all of my bases, and the tokens, esper decks, and playmats for 3 of my 4 factions. Im also missing one of my bonus figs.

The relic knights PVC is comsiderably stiffer than that of the SDE minis. As such they seem to hold detail better.

Tons of pics to follow dinner.

 cincydooley wrote:
So initial impressions: the detail on the minis ive opened thusfar is pretty damn good. Theres some mould lines of course (because of the material) bit some of them have even scraped off with my thumbnail.

I havent looked through my hells bells yet, but i am missing all of my bases, and the tokens, esper decks, and playmats for 3 of my 4 factions. Im also missing one of my bonus figs.

The relic knights PVC is comsiderably stiffer than that of the SDE minis. As such they seem to hold detail better.

Tons of pics to follow dinner.

Did you get any of the "starter packs"? Two of my tokens, decks, and poster mats were in those(Black Diamond and Noh) Cerci's will be loose in the shipment box because you don't get a starter for that faction. All the bases were in each retail package, but all the inserts were in individual baggies loose in the shipment box.

Edited for clarity.

Yeup. You're spot on. That's what my lazy ass gets for not opening everything right away.

Plus the big gaming mat is shipping separately (but at the same time?) - right?

 Sinful Hero wrote:


Oh, and each box of Hell's Belles was missing a torso, and Cordelia Clean was missing her gun barrels so I'll need to call about that.

Same here, missing a torso (the top, girl with the whip).

I have four components in my Cordelia box, I'm either missing parts or they totally switched the look of the gun.

Did we ever see a render of what she's supposed to look like?

I'm not sure we did...

Is this all we were shown?:

Photos round one. Bear with. All taken with iPhone.


Austrican the Ogre










Purifier









Assembled Paragon



Are there mould lines. Yep.

But honestly, none of the models took me very long to clean up. The paragon took maybe 10 minutes for cleanup and assembly. The purifier was about 10 as well. Austrican was incredibly clean and took all of two minutes to clean and assemble.

The models, assembly wise, are pretty much idiot proof. All of the arm sockets are different shape so you literally cannot assemble the models incorrectly. I didn't have a ton of problems.

The purifiers face has softer detail, but it isn't terrible. It'll definitely be paintable. The paragons larger head, surprisingly, had softer detail. Fortunately it's a covered helm, but it is softer. It's hard to tell if this is due to the anime style or if it's simply because the detail is soft.

I did open my Marie Claude, the model that we saw earlier, and the detail isn't quite as soft in person as it is in the photo. I think the bare material simply doesn't photograph well.

More to come.

Great pictures Cincydooly.

As for Cordelia Clean, I combed the updates and we never saw a render for her from what I could find. 4 pieces plus the base for me as well. The gun isn't nearly as imposing without the giant barrels. I'll be very disappointed if it isn't just a mispack.

Regarding the Hell's Belles I'm pretty sure we're all missing the same torso. It's not like they mislabeled the back either- there are three base toppers, three bikes, three bases, three heads, and all the arms and accessories. Only just two torsos.

How many inserts did everyone get? I pledged at Gotta Catch 'em All and ended up with 4 )80mm, 16 )50mm, 16 )40mm, and 50 )30mm. Did everyone's shake out the same? 5 bags of 10 )30mm; and 4 baggies of 1 )80mm, 4 )50mm, and 4 )40mm.

Thanks Cincy! I gotta say, feeling a lot better about things now that I am seeing some in hand photos and reports.

There's a thread on the SPM forums with some unboxing pictures. Not the best but it's better than nothin'.

Here's a shot of Cordelia Clean from said thread.

So my package was in Albany, about 2 hours away.

Now it's in Baltimore

about 6 hours away.

I live new fahkin york, FedEX


you dumb ********

they must see the waste of money in this, right?

Just saw Deke posted a release schedule on Ninja Division. Ahem, certain models appear to be there.

 Dentry wrote:
Just saw Deke posted a release schedule on Ninja Division. Ahem, certain models appear to be there.

Spoiler:

There's actually quite a few things that weren't on the KS in the rulebook.

Each faction will have at least 2 more unique models and 1 more questing knight.

I keep forgetting - who is Sophia Drake's #1 fan here?

I thought it was Dentry...amirite?!?

Those look nice actually. I'm glad that RK customers won't have to (at least from initial reports) go through the same trials and tribulations other PVC kickstarters had.

I'm still worried about the tug-of-war/hot potato that *might* be the process of getting missing items/replacements for miscasts between CMON and SODA NINJA though...

I am too. It would appear that everyone's Hell's Belles and Cordelia Clean are missing the same pieces from the retail boxes. Hopefully they can be fixed soon.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I am too. It would appear that everyone's Hell's Belles and Cordelia Clean are missing the same pieces from the retail boxes. Hopefully they can be fixed soon.

From the Soda Pop forums:

SPM_Deke wrote:

Dais wrote:If I am not mistaken her gun is supposed to be even larger with a cylinder barrel over the support that is already larger than most gun barrels. Take a look at the art.

I don't have one yet to confirm, but from the picture that Cordelia model is complete. The gun on the model differs from that on the art with the modified single barrel design.

Looks like the gun changed to a more sleek rail look.

I'm also worried about replacement parts...
As it would happen the Belles are what i was going to make first to use in 'Burners', a jetbike racing game and I'm shorted a kit and a torso from the kit I received. Two years of waiting, LOL.

 Dr Mathias wrote:

I'm also worried about replacement parts...
As it would happen the Belles are what i was going to make first to use in 'Burners', a jetbike racing game and I'm shorted a kit and a torso from the kit I received. Two years of waiting, LOL.

I haven't opened the box yet so I don't know about the torso, but I am also missing a box of Hells Belles (we're supposed to have 6, so two boxes) and a Pacer (we're supposed to have 2)

Wonder if this is pretty common.

My package was in Hagerstown MD last night at quarter to 7. That's an hour and fifteen minutes from my house. It is due to get here two days from now. Wow. Way to suck worse than the USPS FedEx...

 Wehrkind wrote:
My package was in Hagerstown MD last night at quarter to 7. That's an hour and fifteen minutes from my house. It is due to get here two days from now. Wow. Way to suck worse than the USPS FedEx...

Yeah, there's some fedex route I've repeatedly tracked, where the package gest within an hour of Portland (where I live), then it takes a magical trip to seattle for a day before coming back to my state to be delivered.

I still don't have tracking info, and was in for the gotta get em all with lots of extras.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:

I'm also worried about replacement parts...
As it would happen the Belles are what i was going to make first to use in 'Burners', a jetbike racing game and I'm shorted a kit and a torso from the kit I received. Two years of waiting, LOL.

I haven't opened the box yet so I don't know about the torso, but I am also missing a box of Hells Belles (we're supposed to have 6, so two boxes) and a Pacer (we're supposed to have 2)

Wonder if this is pretty common.

How many royal wreckers did you get with your pledge? One right?


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I would also like to voice my displeasure with the Cordelia Clean gun barrel change. It's not nearly as intimidating. I'll have to do some conversion work it seems.

Got my tracking info yesterday, should be here in a week. I was in for....hell, I barely remember at this point. I think it was Cerci, Corsairs, Black Diamond, and a slew of cosplay/sde/extras.

Yep, bang-on, although I got a lot more extras than I remember. No recollection of ordering Cordelia Clean, for instance. I think I just started adding stuff to add stuff at some point. Whups.

Sitting in Baltimore.... forever. :(

 Alpharius wrote:
I keep forgetting - who is Sophia Drake's #1 fan here?

I thought it was Dentry...amirite?!?

It's the collector in me. The Black Dragon's were one of my favorite models shown during the KS and Ms. Drake their missing piece. The situation needs closure.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Two years of waiting, LOL.

This is what the calamity part refers to in Darkspace Calamity. Think of it like a black hole's event horizon. Time no longer has any meaning here.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

How many royal wreckers did you get with your pledge? One right?

I would also like to voice my displeasure with the Cordelia Clean gun barrel change. It's not nearly as intimidating. I'll have to do some conversion work it seems.

Right, just the one Royal Wrecker and it was an add-on. I know the title of the line item is plural 'Wreckers' but I'm quite sure they only ever intended to do provide one per add-on. I'm really unimpressed with the size of the head on the pilot, my goodness is it small. I'm probably going to switch in a Statuesque Minis head. I have Heroclix that have better detail and that's after being slathered with paint in China.

Regarding the Cordelia barrels, not real sure why they switched out. I just wish they'd shown the new version. Another bait and switch game...

Soda Pop customer service got back to me about the torso, and wrote they'd 'pass the info along' and verified my pledge info. There was no mention that it might be a common error to the majority of packs, although I suggested it in my email.

My real problem is I've spoiled myself with high quality figures (Guild of Harmony, Kingdom Death, Hydra, Hasslefree among others) lately so the Relic Knights stuff is underwhelming.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
I still don't have tracking info, and was in for the gotta get em all with lots of extras.

Same for me. Glad to hear I'm not the only one. Maybe they're packing GTGTA's + lots of extras last?

Those of you still waiting, hopefully its a mixed blessing and CMON will have figured out the packing issues before they send your stuff.

aaand now my package is in West Virginia, and won't deliver till Saturday.

In a way, this is very thematically appropriate for the KS.

Can we all get angry at FedEx for bad communication now?

It is good to see so many people have tracking numbers now. I hope I am not overly optimistic for expecting the main pledge shipping to end next week. Has anyone got their cerci/insert followup package yet? Do we know if they have been sent out?

Everyone who pledged at Gotta catch 'em all plus extras- I pledged the same but only got three different factions. Perhaps the more different factions you ordered will mean waiting longer?

oddly enough, i've gotten two tracker emails, both showing a saturday delivery, assuming it doesn't disappear into the depths of atlanta

So following some earlier posted links...

Either we're getting a great deal on prices here (and we probably are) and/or the retail prices for this one are...odd.


Breaker Team - 1 50mm base, 2 models: $14.95


Serpent Priestess - 1 40mm base, 1 model: $17.95


Cerci Speed Circuit Starter
1x Marie-Claude Model — Questing Knight
1x Esmee Model — Cypher
1x Royal Wrecker Model — Minion
2x Pit Crew Models — Minion Squad
4x 30mm and 1x 50mm Bases
32 page, full-color mini-rulebook
Unit Tracker and Reference Cards
54 Card Esper Deck
31 colored acrylic tokens
Dashboard Playmat
$49.95


Black Diamond Starter
1x Leopold Magnus Model — Questing Knight
1x Static Model — Cypher
1x M8-Blitz Auto-Tank Model — Minion
5x Diamond Corps Models — Minion Squad
1x 50mm, 1x 40mm, and 6x 30mm Bases
32 page, full-color mini-rulebook
Unit Tracker and Reference Cards
54 Card Esper Deck
31 colored acrylic tokens
Dashboard Playmat
$49.95


Noh Empire Starter
1x High Priestess Zineda Model — Questing Knight
1x Spite Model — Cypher
1x Render Model — Minion
2x Kyojin Berserker Models — Minion Squad
1x 30mm, 1x 40mm, and 3x 50mm Bases
32 page, full-color mini-rulebook
Unit Tracker and Reference Cards
54 card Esper Deck
31 colored acrylic tokens
Dashboard Playmat
$49.95


1x Princess Malya Model — Relic Knight
1x Mr. Tomn Model — Cypher
1x 80mm and 1x 30mm Base
Unit Tracker and Reference Cards
$44.95


1x Sebastian Cross Model — Relic Knight
1x Rook Model — Cypher
1x 80mm and 1x 30mm Base
Unit Tracker and Reference Cards
$54.95


1x Kasaro To Model — Relic Knight
1x Azi Model — Cypher
1x 80mm and 1x 30mm Bases
Unit Tracker and Reference Cards
$54.95


1x Mamaro To Model — Unique
1x 50mm Base
Unit Tracker and Reference Card
$21.95


1x Jeanne Romee Model — Questing Knight
1x Gallant Model — Cypher
1x Navarre Hauer Model — Unique
1x 30mm and 2x 40mm Bases
Unit Tracker and Reference Cards
$27.95


1x Diamondback Model — Minion
1x 80mm Base
Unit Tracker and Reference Cards
$49.95

I guess I'm happy I got all I did during the Kickstarter, because given these prices, and the materials involved, I don't think I'd be picking up a lot at 'retail'.

A lot depends on how well the game does, how the player base develops and, perhaps most importantly, the overall quality of the miniatures...

So....the frustrating thing for Shattered Sword players will be getting Jeanne separately if they already got Navvarre with the KS.

Noticed the new art for Jeanne. Real curious when they're going to show the model. Can't say that's gone well for them recently though so they might be a bit hesitant to show anything.

 cincydooley wrote:
So....the frustrating thing for Shattered Sword players will be getting Jeanne separately if they already got Navvarre with the KS.

Oh the frustration is worse for me. I skipped Austrican and Navarre in the kickstarter since I already own the metal Navare (and Isabeau). Now I will end up with two Navarre anyway and THREE Isabeau.


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 Sinful Hero wrote:
Everyone who pledged at Gotta catch 'em all plus extras- I pledged the same but only got three different factions. Perhaps the more different factions you ordered will mean waiting longer?

Five factions and extras arrived for me Friday -and a playmat Monday. It is possible Cmon skipped a batch of large orders at some point.
Or maybe you will be like me and get your tracking number the same day the box arrives.

 Dais wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
So....the frustrating thing for Shattered Sword players will be getting Jeanne separately if they already got Navvarre with the KS.

Oh the frustration is worse for me. I skipped Austrican and Navarre in the kickstarter since I already own the metal Navare (and Isabeau). Now I will end up with two Navarre anyway and THREE Isabeau.


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 Sinful Hero wrote:
Everyone who pledged at Gotta catch 'em all plus extras- I pledged the same but only got three different factions. Perhaps the more different factions you ordered will mean waiting longer?

Five factions and extras arrived for me Friday -and a playmat Monday. It is possible Cmon skipped a batch of large orders at some point.
Or maybe you will be like me and get your tracking number the same day the box arrives.

I've had mine since Monday actually. I have not received a tracking number for the playmat yet. What I was inferring that having six factions would be more compicated than three.

As for the retail prices... Sheesh. I may not be picking up anything else at all. I like what I got, but I'm not sure I want to pay $50 for another Relic Knight. Princess Malya's knight is comparable to a Tyranid Warrior, for the price of three! I'm hoping this is Canadian prices or something, although I doubt it.

Although the starter sets are in-line with what I thought of the pricing.

Only because I love you dakkadakka- grainy iPhone photos.

Yeah...I'm not paying 45 dollars for that little lady.

I thought it said she came on a 80mm base?

My primary interests were the Noh stuff. Hopefully Kasaro shows his value a bit better than the princess.

She does, but I have no idea why. I noticed a lot of things could easily fit on smaller bases. The Black Diamond Breaker Team, Noh Serpent Priestess, the Cerci Royal Wrecker, and pretty much all the Relic Knights.

Kasaro-to may make his base worthwhile- almost all of the Noh stuff is huge.

djkickz on the soda pop forum has posted the first shots of one of the battle pose minis (one shot)

I noticed that One-Shot and Princess Malya's battle poses are on a larger scale than their normal poses. The normal poses are in scale with Heroclix figures(DC girls is what I compared them to), while the battle poses are closer to 40k(Deldar Wyches at least).

I hope those retail prices are a mistake too.

With all the problems and delays it took to get here finally, add in some soft details, mispacks and then some fairly ridiculous pricing on top of all that?

Could make this one DOA, and that would be sad.

Wow so they spent two years prepping to immediately price themselves out of the market completely. That's some GW level business tactics there.

I'm assuming those are MSRPs?

Are they really so bad compared to the rest of the field after accounting for the usual retail and online shops have regularly lop 10-40% off?

I've only bought into 2 games to date, one was a fairly cost effective skirmish game and the other is a running gag campaign that hasn't delivered yet, but the cost per mini was pretty low, so I don't have a strong basis for comparison.

Yes, they are.

At least for me.

Especially given the material and the 'quality'.

And the fact that they're a 'new entry' in this increasingly crowded field and are trying to establish/grow a player base.

If I didn't go in for a lot during the Kickstarter, there's NO WAY I'd be buying them now...

As I have shown above, even compared to GW I feel the prices are steep compared to what you get. Tyranid warriors come three to a box for about $50. Princess Malya come with a comparatively sized model for $45. I would also say the Tyranids are designed better, and come with several options versus the mono-build of the Princess. I would have thought she would come in closer to $25-30 myself.

I guess a small upside, at least for a while, will be the people who end up pitching their stuff on the secondary market allowing for at least some people to buy in cost effectively. Unless the demand vastly outstrips the supply, that is, which the buzz in this forum isn't exactly leading me to believe will be the case.

Though I guess that's kind of a lose/lose; if the demand is low enough or the supply is high enough because of these issues, there probably also won't be much sense trying to sell either. Kind of a grey area on the spectrum to even recoup costs.

That said, not every campaign will end up with people being able to sell their pledge package for two to three times its original cost, but hopefully a bunch of people don't get stuck with hundreds of dollars worth of plastic they can't get rid of.

Okay, so I have a lot of pictures to come, but I'm having trouble uploading them from my phone. I'll have to wait till I'm on wifi or something.

A few notes:

1. The Shattered Sword models are thusfar my favorite. They're all scaled really well with each other, maintain the detail really well (for the most part) down to filigree on some of the knights' legs. Francis Mallory and Quill look great, as do the Paragons and the Purifiers.

2. The doctrine stuff seems to suffer the most from soft detail so far. I think this is in part due to the fact that they're probably the most "cartoony" faction out of the bunch. Additionally, they're scaled up considerably larger than the rest of the models I've assembled from Shattered Sword, Cersi, and Black Diamond. Fiametta is gigantic. Simply gigantic. But with that being said, they all look pretty good. They definitely remind me of the miniature versions of any anime set in a high school.

3. Mould lines do exist on these models, and if you don't want to clean up mould lines, you can sell some of your models to me They do exists in various forms, but none of them have been egregious to me (and certainly not as bad as those poor Mantic Rebels models I wanted to love so much). On some models, they're virtually non existent (the Paragons look fantastic and clean up was really quick--the 10 mins I quoted before was totally off). On others, they're there, but i don't think I've had too much trouble cleaning up anything.

4. The Black Diamond troops look solid, except for the three holes in their kneepads. the detail on them is way off, and doesn't "fit" with the rest of the model. Personally, I'm probably going to fill them in.

5. I cut myself for the first time last night (actually my fault, not the material's) and man, I was quickly reminded how much a tiny cut on your thumb can bleed.

The quality of the figures isn't worth that price IMO. Soda Pop hurt themselves going restic.

The prices for those models are even higher than Dream Pod 9 Heavy Gear resin prices... and Heavy Gear is a very niche game with a tiny fanbase partly because of the prices of armies. Maybe they feel that they can charge more per fig ala Infinity et al because it is a skirmish game with a lower total entry price. Since CMON is no longer involved or bank rolling this, maybe that lack of a "distributor" has some bearing on the price as well?

Forar wrote:
That said, not every campaign will end up with people being able to sell their pledge package for two to three times its original cost, but hopefully a bunch of people don't get stuck with hundreds of dollars worth of plastic they can't get rid of.

Very, very few Kickstarters end up selling for more than your initial investment.

cincydooley wrote:Okay, so I have a lot of pictures to come, but I'm having trouble uploading them from my phone. I'll have to wait till I'm on wifi or something.

Looking forward to the pics!

I didn't like the look of Doctrine back during the campaign, and seeing how they turned out, I'm glad I avoided them.

Take care of that thumb!

Dr Mathias wrote:The quality of the figures isn't worth that price IMO. Soda Pop hurt themselves going restic.

Definitely.

To be fair, I guess you could say these were the beginnings of the whole 'restic' thing for miniatures on KS - before the horror that was SW, Mantic and now, Relic Knights.

The RK stuff seems to be fairing a bit better than SW and Mantic's efforts though...

 cincydooley wrote:
Okay, so I have a lot of pictures to come, but I'm having trouble uploading them from my phone. I'll have to wait till I'm on wifi or something.

A few notes:

1. The Shattered Sword models are thusfar my favorite. They're all scaled really well with each other, maintain the detail really well (for the most part) down to filigree on some of the knights' legs. Francis Mallory and Quill look great, as do the Paragons and the Purifiers.

2. The doctrine stuff seems to suffer the most from soft detail so far. I think this is in part due to the fact that they're probably the most "cartoony" faction out of the bunch. Additionally, they're scaled up considerably larger than the rest of the models I've assembled from Shattered Sword, Cersi, and Black Diamond. Fiametta is gigantic. Simply gigantic. But with that being said, they all look pretty good. They definitely remind me of the miniature versions of any anime set in a high school.

3. Mould lines do exist on these models, and if you don't want to clean up mould lines, you can sell some of your models to me They do exists in various forms, but none of them have been egregious to me (and certainly not as bad as those poor Mantic Rebels models I wanted to love so much). On some models, they're virtually non existent (the Paragons look fantastic and clean up was really quick--the 10 mins I quoted before was totally off). On others, they're there, but i don't think I've had too much trouble cleaning up anything.

4. The Black Diamond troops look solid, except for the three holes in their kneepads. the detail on them is way off, and doesn't "fit" with the rest of the model. Personally, I'm probably going to fill them in.

5. I cut myself for the first time last night (actually my fault, not the material's) and man, I was quickly reminded how much a tiny cut on your thumb can bleed.

Speaking of scaling, did you notice any scale issues between factions? Noh Demons are just bigger I know(most of them are on 50mm's), but it seems Black Diamond troops will dwarf my Cerci peeps. Did you notice anything similar(problems with scaling between factions)? I know you mentioned Doctrine, but what about the others?


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@Alpharius Detail and mold lines seem fine. Only issues I have thus far are inter-faction scaling and retail price.

Good to hear - though scaling issues between factions is not good news.

And the retail pricing is just comically bad.

So lets have a look at these compared to the MRSP of the metals

The starter sets are pretty cheap for what you get minis, full rules counters etc

The Relic Knights are the same price as the metals (this really does seem a mistake I'd have aimed for $40, but a gamer will only need 1 per faction as they are unique so they've got to account for this in the price)

The 'bigger' stuff like the Noh are slightly cheaper as is the human stuff

so not it's not ultra bargain cheap (remember the recent online prices of the metals have often been 'clearout' prices, similarly comparing to other companies online prices is pretty misleading too)

although we'll have to see what margins for discounting the online stores find, it may well be better than the metals

also from what ive seen your really, really don't need to add much, far less than you do in for example warmachine or malifaux

The whole, "But you don't need as many models to play" issue doesn't hold weight with me. I expect the quality and material of the miniature to affect price- not how many you need of it. Reaper's Bones are dirt cheap, and I'll gladly buy them for what I get. Infinity generally has a higher or comparative price/model ratio than GW, but the quality of the sculpt and the miniature being metal gives reason for the higher price. These miniatures are lesser quality for a higher price than GW(my personal baseline at the moment). I am not comfortable with these prices at all, aside from the starter sets.

If I'm going to have a model sit on my shelf, it had better look good for the price I paid for it.

It is really strange that the Knights themselves come on such huge bases. I have the original metal Maya and she fits comfortably on a 60mm 40k base. I think I even posed her leaning forward a little more aggressively so she takes up extra space.

Glad to hear detail and cleaning isn't making people insane. I may never buy more of the things at those prices, but I hope to want to keep the ones I already have!

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Speaking of scaling, did you notice any scale issues between factions? Noh Demons are just bigger I know(most of them are on 50mm's), but it seems Black Diamond troops will dwarf my Cerci peeps. Did you notice anything similar(problems with scaling between factions)? I know you mentioned Doctrine, but what about the others?

Definitely. Cersi and Shattered Sword look to be scaled exactly the same. The models all look great next to one another.

Black Diamond is a TOUCH larger, but I still think they look okay. They're a little "thicker," but I'm able to reconcile that additional bulk with the fact that they're in heavy armor.

The Doctrine models are larger than all of them. I have some scale shots to show it, but like I said, Fiametta is comically large. She looks great as a model, but putting her next to Isabeau Durand or one of the Purifiers is pretty hilarious.

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@Alpharius Detail and mold lines seem fine. Only issues I have thus far are inter-faction scaling and retail price.

This is where I sit as well. I'm really not bothered by the mould lines. They've been easy to get off (just as easy, really, as the ones on Wyrd's new plastics, IMO). I'm happy the models in each faction are scaled together (there's not any Black 13th going on here) but there is certainly a difference in how the Doctrine models are scaled vs. Cersi and Shattered Sword.

Man, I really want to get a Sophia Drake model, but if she turns out to be $30-$40 for a mini as small as I saw at GenCon last year I might even have to pass on her. This kinda sours me on future purchases from the Relic Knights line and that disappoints me greatly because I actually think the game and aesthetic are both really fun.

Sophia Drake is $12.95 and is on a par price wise with their other "plastic" character minis. She's a unique so you'll only ever buy one and the price kind of reflects that.

http://ninjadivision.com/products/sophia-drake/

but $22 for Mamaro To though just seems a bit to high to me

http://ninjadivision.com/products/mamaro-to/

and packing Jeanne Romee with a model everyone already has is a mistake IMO

Stuff like the Dahon, Castellan, Rust Bucket at $50 each is going to be a hard sell.

I think her listed retail price is either $12.95 or $14.95?

EDIT:

$12.95 (before discount, if they'll be available at The Warstore or Miniature Market):

Sophia Drake grew up among the mercenaries of the Galactic Merchants’ Guild, so it was no surprise that she would join Black Diamond as soon as she was of age. Now she commands Black Diamond’s elite heavy infantry division, the Black Dragons, and seeks to restore Black Diamond and GAMA to its former glory.
Product Information

NJD Code: SPM143003
Studio: Soda Pop Miniatures
Game: Relic Knights
Faction: Black Diamond
Price: $12.95
Model Materials: Plastic
Packaging: Box
Release Date: July 10, 2014

The prices aren't too out of whack with RK's most directly competing games, Warmachine and Infinity.

Given this material, I think that they kind of are out of whack, especially with Infinity.

I note that the One Shot on the site there is listed as being metal and resin. I guess that is "classic" one shot instead of the new ones, instead of a typo?
If so, glad that the originals are still available. The metals were really nice figures, if a bit delicate.

still sitting in baltimore.

Decided to check ebay and see what's going on with the pledges that have been shipped.

Hahaha.

Not gonna lie, some of the going rates are tempting (to sell at).

Wow, there are already licensed RK Ultra Pro card sleeves and deck boxes too!

CMON/Soda Pop have been checking up on the Hells Belles missing torso situation and sadly from this post on the Soda Pop forum from Deke it seems to be a universal problem

Q1: We are sorting out the Hell's Belles mispack, since it looks like china mispacked the box. We should have a solution of some sort soon and I'll let you know. You're right it's gonna be quite a pain. :(

I wonder what happened to the huge bag of torsos that must have been left over (gods forbid they lost/broke the mould and just never told CMON)

EU/Asia Pacific might dodge this bullet (one benefit of still not having started shipping) as long as they can find them

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, there are already licensed RK Ultra Pro card sleeves and deck boxes too!

Yeah, they've had them since last year's Gencon.(I picked them up myself)

 Dentry wrote:
Decided to check ebay and see what's going on with the pledges that have been shipped.

Hahaha.

Not gonna lie, some of the going rates are tempting (to sell at).

If Sedition Wars was anything to go by, there were some crazy prices right after the shipments arrived, which rapidly dropped off to the point where people were losing a lot of money as the market got flooded, and then increased a bit to the point where some people were still losing money, and some making a bit of a profit. I managed to pick up the boxed game (retail) for a fraction of the original price, the terrain set for a fair bit less, and some of the paid add-ons for slightly-to-greatly under their Kickstarter cost, but I waited several months.

But! That game had Kickstarter exclusives! This does not - ever since Sodapop bought out their properties from CMON, they've declared that stuff like the RK SDE characters will be available through their online store.

 Alpharius wrote:
I hope those retail prices are a mistake too.

With all the problems and delays it took to get here finally, add in some soft details, mispacks and then some fairly ridiculous pricing on top of all that?

Could make this one DOA, and that would be sad.

Yeah, I was considering buying some of the Noh figures to use as cool asian-themed Ogres and Daemons. But those prices for a few restic models?


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
The prices aren't too out of whack with RK's most directly competing games, Warmachine and Infinity.

Not sure if you can really say that they're in "direct competition" with War Machine at this point in time, either.

Package arrived! Should have a bit of a review tomorrow.

I'm looking forward to your review!

Also - I received an email from Soda (Ninja) Pop today saying that I've received my $15 credit!

woo, box got here today, several days ahead of when the tracker was showing. haven't had a chance to crack it open quite yet though

Is this guy a new release (not available during the Kickstarter):

Yes everything in this image is new and not part of the KS. Every faction is getting something new. they will all have 2 Questing Knights and a large Mecha (or equivalent in the case of the Dahon)

Lets see first how the restic figures will turn out cause I am quite reluctant to even feel neutral from the pics I have seen so far....

If the price is right, I'm satisfied enough with the quality and "workability" of the models to pick up a rustbucket, dahon, and Sophia drake even though I don't have those factions. $12.95 for Sophia and I'll probably go ahead and get her.

Same here - my box of stuff arrived ahead of schedule - it is in RIGHT NOW!

So once I give it a look over, it is is 'good', I can see myself picking up a lot more of this.

But not direct - it will have to be at least a 20% off Warstore/MM special only at those prices...

But wait- the Ninja Stars program! For every $1.00 you spend in the Ninja Pop store you get 10 Ninja Stars! 100 Ninja Stars equal $1.00! So for every $10 you spend you get a dollar to spend on more Ninja Pop stuff, or put towards shipping!

Prelim results (my Dad is down for the day so I only looked at two so far)

Noh Hunter looks really good, minimal lines, though some around his face shoulder pad will be awkward to clean.

Noh Snake Priestess: the face is bad. Like, really bad. Far too small, and different from the render, like they put a human face on a 9 foot tall ogre woman. Really disappointed.

Yeah, I saw that.

I think this means that I won't be amassing an arsenal of ninja stars.

 Wehrkind wrote:
Prelim results (my Dad is down for the day so I only looked at two so far)

Noh Hunter looks really good, minimal lines, though some around his face shoulder pad will be awkward to clean.

Noh Snake Priestess: the face is bad. Like, really bad. Far too small, and different from the render, like they put a human face on a 9 foot tall ogre woman. Really disappointed.

Aw man... that was one of my favorites going in.

Do you have the other female Noh figure, the archer? If she is bad... sigh...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, there are already licensed RK Ultra Pro card sleeves and deck boxes too!

they have been out for a long time. Over a year in fact.

The Candy Heart preorder is up ships end of July

http://sodapopminiatures.com/relic-knights/relic-knights-special-edition/candy-heart

She costs $12.95 so the 1500 ninja points covers her and some postage. The international postage is $6.55 so net cost $4.50. You also get 120 ninja stars back as part of the purchase.

 Piston Honda wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, there are already licensed RK Ultra Pro card sleeves and deck boxes too!

they have been out for a long time. Over a year in fact.

It's almost as if they were created to go along with the original release date a year ago!

 warboss wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, there are already licensed RK Ultra Pro card sleeves and deck boxes too!

they have been out for a long time. Over a year in fact.

It's almost as if they were created to go along with the original release date a year ago!

Conspiracy!

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
Prelim results (my Dad is down for the day so I only looked at two so far)

Noh Hunter looks really good, minimal lines, though some around his face shoulder pad will be awkward to clean.

Noh Snake Priestess: the face is bad. Like, really bad. Far too small, and different from the render, like they put a human face on a 9 foot tall ogre woman. Really disappointed.

Aw man... that was one of my favorites going in.

Do you have the other female Noh figure, the archer? If she is bad... sigh...

Sigh and to think I added only because I really liked the sculpt, why change it?

It may well be an example of shrinkage problems with the restic rather than a deliberate descisoin o change things

Man I was too poor to get all i wanted and now I'm not. If anyone wants to sell me their doctrine stuff I'm buying.

also the noh stuff mostly came out awesome. I love the berserkers

It looks like they are solving the Hell's Belles missing torso issue by packing a blister of metal riders with later shipments.

So those riders will be part Restic part metal? Or do you just toss out your Restic ones altogether? Either option seems stupid and lazy. I kinda hope thier bunny game doesn't get funded so that they can focus on improving their SDE and robotech distribution. (Admittedly I haven't even looked at that KS)

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So those riders will be part Restic part metal? Or do you just toss out your Restic ones altogether? Either option seems stupid and lazy. I kinda hope thier bunny game doesn't get funded so that they can focus on improving their SDE and robotech distribution. (Admittedly I haven't even looked at that KS)

They cancelled it.

What will probably happen is that people who have already gotten their riders will get metal replacements- the boxes will be fixed with PVC for retail.

I hope the metal riders fit the restic bike. Does anyone here have a metal rider, and if so are they the same number of parts?

EDIT: Did CMON or SP announce somewhere that they were subbing metal riders as a fix? I can't find anything official.

Don't know, but I have noticed that the metal Battle Pose for Princess Malya is a tad larger than the PVC version. Of course, it could be she just suffers from an eating disorder in the PVC version: she is quite skinny.

Metal only shrinks almost imperceptibly between a master and it's casts (so assuming a decent caster it will be better than the PVC version)

PVC shrinks a lot more so they will be slightly smaller (unless the file or scanned master used to make the mould was up scaled to account for this)

eg this Journey Wrath of Demons mini

Not sure exactly the correct procedure when working with PVC but there is shrinkage, it's physics. However larger minis seem to suffer the most.

I'm guessing there is a proper way to work with it as shrinkage is not consistent.

For instance, the Akosha model from sedition wars shows less than 1/10 of a MM in shrinkage against its resin counterpart, not noticeable. But the Quasimodo is about about 4 - 5 mm and the Samaritan is about 1mm. The Hurley suffered dearly.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Not sure exactly the correct procedure when working with PVC but there is shrinkage, it's physics. However larger minis seem to suffer the most.

I'm guessing there is a proper way to work with it as shrinkage is not consistent.

For instance, the Akosha model from sedition wars shows less than 1/10 of a MM in shrinkage against its resin counterpart, not noticeable. But the Quasimodo is about about 4 - 5 mm and the Samaritan is about 1mm. The Hurley suffered dearly.

While larger models are more noticeably smaller, I'd rather that than some thin models that get unbelievably thin...

Secondary preliminary review:

Snake Priestess: Maybe not as bad as I first thought, but not great. Skull/non horn part of head is still smaller than her boobs and a bit on the small side. Not as small as..

Suspect 7: Wow tiny. Very, very shallow details, and some really bad mold line placement around the faces. Not so good...

Noh Render: Really nice, though very soft line between mask and hair, and the hair has a really awkward twist removal point on one lock. Nice looking model otherwise.

So far things fit together nicely too, and not too many bad mold lines. Generally good other than some soft details and the head scale.


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Other note, damn, they did not pack this well enough. A few boxes were squished pretty well.

Black Dragons: squished box. Look pretty good detail wise, but mold lines and a little mold slippage it looks like. Not good.

Kasaro To: Really nice looking. No really bad mold lines, though again with the lines ringing the face. Really looking forward to putting him together.

Base Inserts: Really nice.

M8-Blitz tank: Looks nice, other than the complete lack of detail inside the tank treads parts. That is pretty bad.

noh Berzerkers: Look very nice. Mold lines on heads are not through the cheeks but around the bottom more, so that's a plus. Lots of parts, which is a little surprising.

Marikan To: Some rough mold lines, not looking forward to dealing with that. Bird is cute. Marikan's head looks significantly bigger than the snake Priestess', though some of it might be her hair, which is sort of overpowering. The head is pretty ugly, though not as bad as the official paint job makes it out to be (I hope.)

One Shot: also squished box. Gun very awkwardly warped, sort of wavy. The girl herself is very small with soft details; the suspenders seem to be entirely lost, but maybe primer will help? Some bad mold lines on the walker legs that go through the vents on the front, which will be a huge pain to clean. Not well pleased, especially as I really wanted that model to be nice.

Boost pack: Looks fine near as I can tell. They are boxes.

Darkspace Candy and Cola: Looks fine, other than a pour point right in the middle of her left cheek (who the feth designed that?) Her head is pretty tiny (sort of a theme) but her pet's head is larger than the Snake Priestess's. Odd.

Hounds of Nozuki: Very big, very good looking. A little lacking in the detail department (big empty flanks and shoulders) but over all cool models and not bad mold lines etc.

Would you say that you are more pleased than displeased so far or the other way around?

Diamond Corps: Actually, not bad. Detail is a tad soft, but not awful. Things seem well scaled.

One Shot metal pose: significantly bigger than the PVC it looks like. Much nicer over all. SPM should have stuck with metals :(

Void Reaper: I don't remember ordering him... I thought I got the Void Herald... and checking my Pledge Manager, yes, yes, I did order the Void Herald. Void reaper: big, lanky, and uninteresting. No bad mold lines so far as I can tell.

Black Dragons Battle Box: About what you would expect. Troopers are fairly ok, tank is fairly ok, Leopold looks fine, but I haven't dug him out of the recursive baggies to really check it out.

Noh Battle Box: Berserkers have some serious mold lines... odd. Zineda is very 2d, but looks ok other than the super long neck and head area.

Rule Book: Looks nice, quality paper etc. Looking forward to reading it.


Over all first impression: Models are very disappointing compared to previous Soda Pop metals. I think I will keep ahold of the Noh stuff, but torn on the Black Dragon.Diamond, whatever, not great stuff. They are not terrible, but not very super pleasing either. There are some mold lines that will be a bear to clean, and the lack of details that should have been there is annoying.


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@ Dentry: I am pleased with the Noh Models save the Snake Priestess and the Huntress. The Priestess is a HUGE disappointment, just because I REALLY loved the concept and the end result isn't too good. The Huntress is sort of awkwardly posed and the head is eh.

Black Diamond is ok for troopers and all. One shot is disappointing, and she is largely the reason I got the faction as she is one of the Relic Knights I didn't have in metal.

Do they clean up similar to Sedition Wars? Or easier (even just a little bit.

I can't speak for Sedition Wars, but I feel like they clean easier than Deadzone.

i haven't opened any of the relic knight stuff yet, but i did just go through the sde items i got, and they were all nice casts, and only 1 or 2 have mold lines enough for me to worry about cleanup

Quick update:

Betty, Lug, and the Pit Crew look fantastic. May be my favorite models.

I promise I'll put up more photos tomorrow.

 cincydooley wrote:
Quick update:

Betty, Lug, and the Pit Crew look fantastic. May be my favorite models.

I promise I'll put up more photos tomorrow.

That's......interesting.....On the SDE forum the pit crew has been known to almost cause fights cause of quality issues. Your the first I've heard of them being good.

 rayphoton wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Quick update:

Betty, Lug, and the Pit Crew look fantastic. May be my favorite models.

I promise I'll put up more photos tomorrow.

That's......interesting.....On the SDE forum the pit crew has been known to almost cause fights cause of quality issues. Your the first I've heard of them being good.

Betty and Lug looked really good as well IMO. The single piece pit crew looked good, but the long-haired one had a bit of Slenderman disease.

Thanks for the thorough review, Wehrkind! Any chance of a representative pic or two- say, of the best few and worst few models/features?

It makes sense that the Noh came out better than the rest, as those larger-featured designs seem much more suited to the material.

I second RiTides' emotion on Wehrkind's review. I'd love to see pics!

So, help me out, folks. I admit I haven't been keeping track of timelines on this stuff. When should I be concerned about...

1. no info on the $15 credit? I never received any email about it. I had an account at Soda Pop (SPM) a while ago, ordered some metal SDE dudes, so figured it would just show up. This weekend, I tried to log in and couldn't, so asked for password reset. Nothing ever came. Didn't they have a website reboot or something and lose everyone's info? Bottom line, I thought I had an existing account so have been waiting, but now it appears they may have lost me, and I have no info on the credit... are those still being processed? Should I have it by now?

2. no info on my kickstarter reward. I did some ballpark calculations, based on the described fulfillment, so know that fulfillment may take a while. But I believe I should be on the "larger order" end, which was stated as having a dedicated team. Folks here, in this thread, have said they've gotten their stuff, though they have more medium or equivalent orders to mine. Yet I have no product, no ship info. CMON/SodaNinja is so busy mollifying the EU/APAC people they haven't given (or I haven't seen) any status updates on current fulfillment. Due to this lack of communication, I have no idea what to think/expect on whether or not I should have my stuff/ship info by now.

So, I guess I'm suspecting that I might have fallen through the cracks. What am I missing, here?

ETA - My reward was GTGTA, one of each faction plus one of every single dude, a couple duplicates. So, a lot of stuff.
Again, I admit, I really can't keep track of what is going on with this KS. There's too much hot-potatoing of everything... should I be calling SPM/CMON tomorrow?

Can only help you with 1 Deke posted the following:

Candy Heart backer credit is officially finished. If you did not get yours send an e-mail to Nick at store@sodapopminiatures.com

He's a bit flooded with e-mails right now from all the people ironing out their points and account logins so please be patient in regards to response time.

When you e-mail him please include in the body of your e-mail the following information:

Pledge Number
First Name
Last Name
E-mail address

Everyone who pledged in the Kickstarter is eligible for the credit even if you were given access to the pledge manager or received a refund. It's our way of saying thank you.

I'd guess US fulfilment will run for another 2weeks or so, so a bit early to contact them yet. They said they'd work on large orders along side smaller ones but there's been no real evidence of this from recent reports - then again many may not comment and how do you define a large order?

OK, thanks DaveC. That does help. Check 1 off the list!

IIRC, they said they could only do a limited number of 'credit processing' each day (100?) due to their e-mail server or something.

I wouldn't worry about not having a shipping notice until they post a thing stating that shipping is finished. It can take a long time for 2~4 people to pack and ship a few thousand orders.

Yeah I know, accountability is hard.

They should update where they are in fulfillment via whatever metric they chose to use, lines, order, lines per order, or all of the above. It's been almost 3 weeks, and they said they were working on the "high complexity" and easy orders first, i.e. the two tails of the bell curve. What does that mean? Where are they 3 weeks later? I'm not asking 2 days in. Its been 3 weeks.

But, yeah, standard with this kickstarter, lack of updates and relying on goodwill/ignorance of backers seems to be the modus operandi.

No news is not good news based on their previous shenanigans...

Started going through my stuff today and while I totally admit that this project may be benefiting from in infamous "Lowered Expectations", I got to say, I've been pleasantly surprised so far.

The miniature quality is far better than I expected, and certainly better than I had feared.

The quality of the supporting materials (Book, cards, tokens, etc.) is excellent.

Now to dive into the rule book - this might turn out to be something quite nice after all!

Hey guys, glad you found the review useful I took a few pictures along the way, but mostly of the Noh guys as I didn't want to take models out of the bag if I was unsure if I was going to keep them or not. I will try and get some pictures tonight.

Anyone know a good way to get in touch with Soda Pop/CMoN customer service? I haven't done it in a bit, but my email from yesterday about getting the wrong model hasn't been responded to yet, and if it is still quiet tomorrow I will have to try another channel.
Partially that's because I have decided to post up my pledge on eBay for a week or two. I am not against keeping it, but the price I would be willing to accept isn't a great deal more than the cost of the pledge itself, so I figure I might as well give it a go. Honestly, the worry of poor models has sort of put me off the game a little, as I don't see myself getting excited for new stuff or subbing in models I like due to the rather specific aesthetics of the game.

On a related note, anyone get their play mats yet, or even a tracking number?

Wehr, what all did you get? I actually might be interested in some. Shoot me a PM if you want.

So I've got the same "Hell's Belles" (missing pieces) and "Pacer" (missing one entire Pacer) issues that everyone seems to be having.

As well as the big playmat thing.

Has there been official word on how this is being addressed?

I believe it was DaveC that posted before they're going to replace the Belles with metal riders. I believe the pacers were going to be sent along with the mats. I know my shipping notice read, "phase 1" shipping, so I assume there will be a "phase 2".

Yep, DaveC.

 DaveC wrote:
It looks like they are solving the Hell's Belles missing torso issue by packing a blister of metal riders with later shipments.

The big play mat should have shipped out at the same time as your main order, but would have been a separate package because if it's size (they were in those big tubes in the warehouse photos)

so while it should have arrived at the same time that depends on how good the postal carrier is at keeping stuff together so I'd suggest giving it a week or so to see if it arrives
(several folks have reported them coming in before or after the main box)

I've found the easiest way to get a response from Soda Pop is via a PM on facebook, they seem to use it regularly

(and it's the sort of thing they can glance in a spare minute on the computer where they might not feel they have time to open their inbox and respond to what is certainly a flood of emails)

People have also reported the arrival of base inserts/missing hells belles box/missing pacer box from those early cerci shipments so CMON is actively doing those

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I believe it was DaveC that posted before they're going to replace the Belles with metal riders. I believe the pacers were going to be sent along with the mats. I know my shipping notice read, "phase 1" shipping, so I assume there will be a "phase 2".

Yep, DaveC.

 DaveC wrote:
It looks like they are solving the Hell's Belles missing torso issue by packing a blister of metal riders with later shipments.

Just to clarify that a member of the SPM forum reported getting metal riders so while not officially announced that seems to be the solution and it makes sense for them to cast up metal riders in house and send them out given every box seems to affected.

Well, I'll need those Hell's Belles, PACER and gaming mat for this one to be considered 'complete'.

References to a 'phase 2' shipping are odd, because as far as I can tell, there isn't a phase 2.

The only things left to ship for me are the missing stuff listed above!

EDIT:

I think I'm also going to have to make sure I received all the base inserts I was due as well...

And now that I think of it, are they going to sell these inserts separately too?

They're rather nice...

Have they provided assembly instructions anywhere?

 Alpharius wrote:
Well, I'll need those Hell's Belles, PACER and gaming mat for this one to be considered 'complete'.

References to a 'phase 2' shipping are odd, because as far as I can tell, there isn't a phase 2.

The only things left to ship for me are the missing stuff listed above!

EDIT:

I think I'm also going to have to make sure I received all the base inserts I was due as well...

And now that I think of it, are they going to sell these inserts separately too?

They're rather nice...

Let me know if you want more.....


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 Catyrpelius wrote:
Have they provided assembly instructions anywhere?

Not that I've seen, but I haven't had a problem assembling anything.

So far the Cersi Wrecker has been the 'most complicated,' but it was still a fairly easy build.

I had trouble identifying where like, 2 pieces went, but figured it out pretty quickly.


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Okay, so finally some more photos.

I have about 40 more in my phone, and I'll upload more later.

Apologies for not reorienting them.

Doctrine Academy Guard-



Really nice looking models, really easy to assemble. Definitely remind me a cross between a dementor and the Crystal beings from the end of the Dark Crystal.

Shattered Sword Francis Mallory



One of my favorite models. He was really easy to clean up with minimal mould lines.

Size Comparison #1 (Francis Mallory, Black Diamond Troop Dude, Doctrine Novitiate)



Mallory is a little off here because he's skewed in perspective due to the cape. He's actually a touch smaller than Black Diamond dude, and is a bit thinner. Here you can also see how the exaggerated features of the Doctrine models really make them stand apart.

Scale Comparison #2 (SS Purifier, Penny Arcade Model, SS Isabeau Durand, Doctrine Fiametta "the giant")



As you can see, Fiametta is friggin huge. Just huge. The Penny Arcade bro is actually a bit larger, too.

I'll have a few more scale shots up later with the Shattered Sword stuff next to the Cersi Pit crew and Rin Farah.

I'll also have some photos of the Relic Knight models. As a preview: Candy and Cola is really disappointing, Kisa looks really nice, and Sebastian Cross is friggin awesome.

cincy - PM incoming!

Also - thank you very much for the pics!

So far I've been pleasantly surprised by the Relic Knights models.

We'll see how well they do with customer service on missing parts, etc.

EDIT!

Was just checking all my stuff out - just because, and I may have missed this but, not only am I missing one of the Cerci Speed Circuit PACER robots, the one box I did get?

It was empty!

So, I got NO PACER robots!

Is there an e-mail to contact them about on this?

I got my pledge in last Monday, but I still haven't gotten a shipping notice for the gaming mat. Anyone else have this problem?

Anyone got any photos of the mats in the wild? it seems absent from most unboxing I've seen.

Sinful Hero wrote:I got my pledge in last Monday, but I still haven't gotten a shipping notice for the gaming mat. Anyone else have this problem?

Same thing here - most of the minis arrived, no mat, and no tracking info for that 'second' package (tube) with the mat.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Anyone got any photos of the mats in the wild? it seems absent from most unboxing I've seen.

I don't think I've seen any 'in the wild' pics of the mats either...

They've gone out alright but in separate packages here's one from the SPM forum

 Alpharius wrote:

Sinful Hero wrote:I got my pledge in last Monday, but I still haven't gotten a shipping notice for the gaming mat. Anyone else have this problem?

Same thing here - most of the minis arrived, no mat, and no tracking info for that 'second' package (tube) with the mat.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Anyone got any photos of the mats in the wild? it seems absent from most unboxing I've seen.

I don't think I've seen any 'in the wild' pics of the mats either...

I'll take one when I get home.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

I'll take one when I get home.

You got yours already?

Did it arrive at the same time, or later?

And did you receive a separate tracking number/e-mail notification for it?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

I'll take one when I get home.

You got yours already?

Did it arrive at the same time, or later?

And did you receive a separate tracking number/e-mail notification for it?

It arrived at the same time as the rest of it. I think I ordered two, but I've only received one. I'll admit though, I havent taken the stuff out of the tub to check.

I did not receive a seperate tracking number for the map.

No mat for me yet. I only got one shipping notice too, although 2 copies of it.

Which should worry me, it now occurs to me.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Sinful Hero wrote:I got my pledge in last Monday, but I still haven't gotten a shipping notice for the gaming mat. Anyone else have this problem?

Same thing here - most of the minis arrived, no mat, and no tracking info for that 'second' package (tube) with the mat.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Anyone got any photos of the mats in the wild? it seems absent from most unboxing I've seen.

I don't think I've seen any 'in the wild' pics of the mats either...

I'll take one when I get home.

Thanks a lot in really curious to see what the backing is like. After all being an EU backer it will take roughly the same amount of time to pack our orders in china as it takes the slow boat to get from china to the EU ;-)

By the by, yesterday Ross from Soda Pop got back to me about my missing model. Sent me a list of things he would need for me and warned me it would take a little bit due to all the craziness shipping out. He replied to me today to thank me for sending him the info and to ask if there was anything else I needed help with. (I asked about the mat since he brought up things.)

Over all a very nice interaction! Kudos to SPM for being much nicer and more helpful (and faster in turn around) than other companies I have dealt with in the past.

Ross is easily one of the nicest, friendliest, and helpful guys in the industry.. I'm pretty sure he'd fly out to Florida to help move a couch if I asked.

Does anyone know if we were supposed to get base inserts enough for ALL of the miniatures we received?

 Cyporiean wrote:
Ross is easily one of the nicest, friendliest, and helpful guys in the industry.. I'm pretty sure he'd fly out to Florida to help move a couch if I asked.

Was just going to say the same.

If you're going to GenCon, you should try and have a beer with him. He's good people.

I just REALLY want my order to show up. I've got a masochistic need to put them all together, and I'm starting to run out of room for all supplies I've been gathering. The spare band-aids I've been stockpiling are coming off the shelves, the type O+ blood packs are taking up the whole fridge, and keeping this surgeon on retainer is just getting pricey. I just want to do this thing!

Honestly, I had almost totally forgot about this until Adepticon, and then again until they started showing up. Now I'm excited again. Still no tracking number though, which makes me sad.

 Alpharius wrote:
Does anyone know if we were supposed to get base inserts enough for ALL of the miniatures we received?

I'm curious about this too. How many baggies did you get? I got five of the 10 count 50mm, and four of the mixed baggies(4 30mm, 4 50mm, and 1 80mm)

It's fitting that my box finally came today... soaking wet.

Rain or tears? Or both?

 whalemusic360 wrote:
I just REALLY want my order to show up. I've got a masochistic need to put them all together, and I'm starting to run out of room for all supplies I've been gathering. The spare band-aids I've been stockpiling are coming off the shelves, the type O+ blood packs are taking up the whole fridge, and keeping this surgeon on retainer is just getting pricey. I just want to do this thing!

Honestly, I had almost totally forgot about this until Adepticon, and then again until they started showing up. Now I'm excited again. Still no tracking number though, which makes me sad.

Yeah, I was really looking forward to Relic Knights but there wasn't a real sense of anticipation. Delays didn't help my enthusiasm much either. But now that it's actually shipping I'm quite anxious to see the models in person after their less than stellar debut online.

Rain.

First glance of the face, some are good (bigger faces in particular) others are non existent and some feel more like from a family guy or Garfield comic than anime.

The Noh came out the best of the 3.

The knee pads for the black diamond units looks god awful ugly as sin dead dog $hit. This has more to do with sculpt than the material.

Detail on the tank came out as soft as the detail on some of the sedwars minis and bases. But still like the overall design outside of the blank detail on the inside. Wonder if there is something that can be done? Textured styrene sheet to make it look armored on the inside?

Noh- is good

Corsairs- mixed

Black Diamond - Dead dog $hit.

Overall - not impressed when I have handled minis from other companies but after experiencing SedWars, I am numb to the expectations of what I have received.

I'm going to give them an x-acto knife test then probably chuck them on ebay.

Best mini out of all of them was the kitty.

He is going to be my new Computer Table guard protecting my PC from malware. Sorry gengar mini.

The card, box, tokens etc. quality if pretty damn good. Everything produced for components from sedwars was just cheap. The box was crap, cards were made of cheap paper in comparison, strain tokens were cheap thin plastic. The whole thing felt like it was designed to be sold at a dollar store.

Bravo to Soda Pop for caring about the little things and appearance.

So has anyone outside of the US received anything yet? No?

Sorry to keep begging the question, but has anyone counted their base inserts? If everyone received the same amount, it would be obvious that they just insert a specific number instead of having a base insert for each mini. I ended up short an 80mm and a couple 50mm.

50 30mm
16 40mm
16 50mm
4 80mm

I also noticed I've posted 25mm when I meant 30mm before... But oh well. I received the above in 9 seperate baggies. 5 baggies of 10 30mm, and 4 baggies of a mix.

 Sinful Hero wrote:


I also noticed I've posted 25mm when I meant 30mm before... But oh well. I received the above in 9 seperate baggies. 5 baggies of 10 30mm, and 4 baggies of a mix.

Coincidentally, those 30mm inserts are almost exactly 25mm. They're gonna find themselves under a few infinity figs for me.

Also, sinful, if you need extras lemme know. I won't be using a lot of mine.




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 Piston Honda wrote:
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The card, box, tokens etc. quality if pretty damn good. Everything produced for components from sedwars was just cheap. The box was crap, cards were made of cheap paper in comparison, strain tokens were cheap thin plastic. The whole thing felt like it was designed to be sold at a dollar store.

I know plenty of people don't like Sedition Wars, but that just isn't true.

The strain tokens are in 3mm embossed plastic. They're nice.

The tiles and counters are 3mm thick, pretty standard for any FFG level production game.

The cards seem to have a little less "snap" to them but they're hardly "cheap paper".

And the box used a more expensive matte finishing than a lot of games use.

Additionally, if you like any of the Relic Knights models you're simply being disingenuous if you claim the sedition wars models were that much worse. Here's the proof:



Detail and mould lines are pretty similar. To my untrained eye in person, the Samaritan actually has crisper detail. But I'm an amateur.

Did Sediton Wars have problems? Yep. Did people expect "more" from Mike McVey? Yep. But IMO it's a bit of revisionist history based on lesser expectations to be happy with some of the RK models while despising the Sedition Wars ones.

IMO, of course.

Comments section on the RK KS page has been updated with some shipping information.............

Creator CoolMiniOrNot about 19 hours ago
Hey guys, here's where we currently are as far as fulfillment:

In the US we're still packing and shipping orders every day, both for the US and for RoW. We're still sending out tracking numbers as things get packed, and we'll let everyone know once we finish packing.

We've heard from the factory in China, and the latest word is that they're still making progress packing orders for APAC and EU. Once all the EU orders are completed, they'll be airshipped in bulk to the EU distributor, and then sent out from there. APAC orders will be going out once the packages have departed for the EU. We'll keep you up to date as we receive definite information on the shipments for each region, but the plan is still the same as what we last posted.

Almost every order for this Kickstarter is unique, and every single order is composed of a lot of individual boxes. We're working to make sure everything is packed as soon as possible, but because packing the orders is complex it will take some time. We appreciate everyone's patience as we continue shipping.

-Katherine

Personally, I don't mind waiting longer. Were I get hacked off is if this is available to retail before all KS pledgers recieve their packages and any problems with those packages are solved. RK will hit retail on the 15th July...........

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Does anyone know if we were supposed to get base inserts enough for ALL of the miniatures we received?

I'm curious about this too. How many baggies did you get? I got five of the 10 count 50mm, and four of the mixed baggies(4 30mm, 4 50mm, and 1 80mm)

The "Saviour of the Universe" contents guide specifically lists "Omni Bases - scenic base inserts for every model!". Depending on interpretation, that may not apply to add-ons outside of the base "Saviour" pledge, but that would be exceedingly gakky of them.

Bioptic - I've got the feeling you've nailed it there...

The 'optional' and/or 'extra' models may not 'qualify' for inserts, based on that.

Bioptic wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Does anyone know if we were supposed to get base inserts enough for ALL of the miniatures we received?

I'm curious about this too. How many baggies did you get? I got five of the 10 count 50mm, and four of the mixed baggies(4 30mm, 4 50mm, and 1 80mm)

The "Saviour of the Universe" contents guide specifically lists "Omni Bases - scenic base inserts for every model!". Depending on interpretation, that may not apply to add-ons outside of the base "Saviour" pledge, but that would be exceedingly gakky of them.

I personally did not get enough inserts to cover the basic Savior stuff. Which is why I keep asking people to see how many they received.

I backed at the GCEA level- that should be at least six 80mm base inserts: one for each relic knight. I received four. I want to know if they're just sending out a specific number of inserts, or if there is any variance.

Has anybody else received a Doctrine starter? Mine has the wrong sized base for the Librarian. It is also printed as having the wrong base on the back of the box. I received and it is listed in box contents a 40mm base but the book says the librarian should be on a 50 mm base.

it's cover in the FAQ http://sodapopminiatures.com/media/downloads/RK-FAQ-June2014.pdf

and here http://community.sodapopminiatures.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2712

Librarian is 50mm base Ekhis is 40mm

It should be a 40mm so you've got the right size,

it's covered in the rulebook errata here

http://ninjadivision.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/RK-FAQ-June2014.pdf

Has anyone received a playmat? I got to the bottom of my box and nada. Are they in the starter sets?

I'm actually fairly pleased with the models, they are indeed better then I was expecting. Of course, I was expecting a turd, so this may be the soft bigotry of low expectations...

EDIT: Serves me right for not opening all the boxes, the playmats are listed in the contents of the starters. Along with the Esper deck.

...not to be confused with the Battle Mat, shipping separately (but maybe at the same time) in a tube...


...but not something many have received yet either?

I know I haven't.

I fear the battle mat is going to suffer from being in a tube (which postal delivery services don't like as it doesn't lend itself to being stacked in a truck etc)

so it tends to get shunted to the 'difficult' sack, only to be opened on days when they've not got much else to deliver

Got my battle mat today - some 6 days after my initial box of miniatures arrived.

No tracking or e-mail in front of it showing up...

Got my stuff today. Haven't run inventory on it yet but did notice right away that some of the boxes were mashed up. They were all along the same side of the container so assuming this happened after it was shipped out by CMoN.



But at least all my SDE figs made it.

Er...that's a lot of SDE figs.

Are you...OK?

Also, I was quite fortunate - all of my stuff arrived in almost perfect condition.

If it wasn't for the Hell's Belles issue and my two missing PACER robots, I'd finally done with this Kickstarter - so close!

 cincydooley wrote:









I know plenty of people don't like Sedition Wars, but that just isn't true.

Of course it's not true, it's obvious!

The strain tokens are in 3mm embossed plastic. They're nice.

They are cheap and received quite a few scratches.

The tiles and counters are 3mm thick, pretty standard for any FFG level production game.

Thickness has nothing to do with it, it's the quality. They were warped and a number of tokens were peeling. I had to have CMON send me 2 sets because the first time they sent them had the same issue. All tokens from the base game are cupped.

If I had 4 boxes of sedition wars

got 4 replacements 4 those tokens

and then another 4 replacement sets for those tokens, it's not a coincidence, but a quality issue.

The cards seem to have a little less "snap" to them but they're hardly "cheap paper".

Cheap paper by comparison I wasn't literally calling it paper.

And the box used a more expensive matte finishing than a lot of games use.

Irrelevant. The box was thin and all boxes were warped, caved in and fell apart.

Additionally, if you like any of the Relic Knights models you're simply being disingenuous if you claim the sedition wars models were that much worse. Here's the proof:

That's not proof. That's opinion, as should be self evident.

The material used just does not capture the style SedWars was designed in, Something bigger and more cartoony seems to be a better fit.

 Dentry wrote:

But at least all my SDE figs made it.

Spoiler:

A full SDE party of Calico Kates sounds like the funniest game ever.

 DaveC wrote:
it's cover in the FAQ http://sodapopminiatures.com/media/downloads/RK-FAQ-June2014.pdf

and here http://community.sodapopminiatures.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2712

Librarian is 50mm base Ekhis is 40mm

Thank you and "damn" Now I have to unglue ekhis fromt he 50mm I slapped him on

Just feels like it should be the opposite. Ekhis is pretty big and the librarians aren't "that" big.

 Dentry wrote:

But at least all my SDE figs made it.

Spoiler:

I'm jealous.

I haven't even got a shipping confirmation or anything yet for my SDE minis. How did they turn out quality-wise? They're the standard SDE material and everything yes?

Update #123

Jun 27 2014
Shipping Update 6-27-2014
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Hello Relic Knights!

I just wanted to stop in and let you know how things are going. We're still packing and shipping as many packages a day as we can here in the USA warehouse. Just to remind you guys, we ship to North and South America from here. There have been quite a few questions about Canada lately. I can confirm Canadian shipments are going out currently. If you haven't gotten your tracking number yet, do not panic. Your pledge probably hasn't been shipped yet. Give us a few more business days to move through Canadian orders, you should have a tracking number soon.

As for EU and APAC, we have been in touch with the factory packing boxes. Packing is continuing at a steady pace. They have promised to let us know when the boxes are headed to Germany for EU shipping, and when they begin APAC delivery. we will of course update you as information comes in.

Finally, if you discover anything is missing from your package, like parts, models, etc. please contact Soda Pop Miniatures at: info@sodapopminiatures.com and you will be taken care of after the kickstarter has been fulfilled.

Thank you for your patience and understanding. This is a huge project and there are a lot packages. We're dedicated to getting your pledges to you as quickly as possible, while trying to make sure there are no mistakes along the way.

I emailed them about my missing pieces (not much - the usual Hell's Belles issue, and 2 PACER robots) and was told to hang tight until the shipping was complete...

Alpharius wrote:Er...that's a lot of SDE figs.

Are you...OK?

I'm alright. Not as good as I could be, but not as bad either. So much like the RK stuff itself.

Schmapdi wrote:I haven't even got a shipping confirmation or anything yet for my SDE minis. How did they turn out quality-wise? They're the standard SDE material and everything yes?

Honestly, the SDE figs are the best thing in my Relic Knight's pledge. Took some pictures for you, straight out of the box (and bag).


My chief complaint with the RK models is still the faces. They're basically non-existent and my skills as a painter, if we want to be generous and call them skills, are nowhere near good enough to paint what isn't there. I'm thinking of skipping base coats on some heads for fear of losing what lines are there.

The bigger models, Noh and all the mechs, are the best since they're large enough to not lose as much detail as the smaller models. There's some warping here and there and the excess on peg joints is going to cause me some headaches (particularly the smaller joints), but it's not nightmarish. Though I almost bled trying to dry fit some uncleaned pirates.

I did end up with some things missing: 2 Hell's Belles and 1 Hasami. Haven't noticed if anything else is missing.


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Also, I want to point out that Marikan To is different from her artwork in both face and pose which are inferior and disappointing as next to Kasaro To she was my favorite Noh character. The bird is great, though.

They have a good picture of what you get on the Ninja Division release schedule, but I hadn't bothered to look at that until now.

 Dentry wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Er...that's a lot of SDE figs.

Are you...OK?

I'm alright. Not as good as I could be, but not as bad either. So much like the RK stuff itself.

Well played sir!

My chief complaint with the RK models is still the faces. They're basically non-existent ...
The bigger models, Noh and all the mechs, are the best since they're large enough to not lose as much detail as the smaller models.

Agreed!

Anyway, we still have Sophia Drake to look forward to, right?

(And that big dragon looking thing for Noh!)

Aye. That we do.

However, I'm starting to consider purchasing alternate heads from Statuesque Miniatures or some other company. My gut's telling me that the scale will be all off if I do, though.

 Dentry wrote:
Aye. That we do.

However, I'm starting to consider purchasing alternate heads from Statuesque Miniatures or some other company. My gut's telling me that the scale will be all off if I do, though.

I have a Statuesque head (nornal size, not the 'heroic') on a Cerci Hell's Belle right now, looks fine. I also tried a Valkeeri head from Hydra, that's not a bad fit either.

I started putting things together and have Marikan-To and the Serpent Priestess assembled so far and was relatively pleased. Then I opened the box of Purifiers...

I hate this material so much.

Mold lines that were a pain to clean on the Noh models are baffling on the petite ladies. The residual chaff from the resin plugs being pulled off (frakkin why, why do they not use clippers?) in some places makes it all but inpossible to tell where things like the head connectors start and the flash ends. Ach!

 Dentry wrote:


Honestly, the SDE figs are the best thing in my Relic Knight's pledge. Took some pictures for you, straight out of the box (and bag).

Thanks! They do look like pretty much every SDE mini. I'm glad at that. Looking forward to finally getting my hands on them after a year and a half.

Everything I got (reshot 2nd pic due to missing in first big picture.

As for EU and APAC, we have been in touch with the factory packing boxes. Packing is continuing at a steady pace. They have promised to let us know when the boxes are headed to Germany for EU shipping, and when they begin APAC delivery. we will of course update you as information comes in.

I'm beginning to think that it will take about 6 weeks to complete EU packing which coincidently is how long the boat would take to get to the EU. I hope to be proven wrong but I'm expecting an update on July 25th that says they are now in Germany and shipping has started for EU backers.

Yep I'm thinking the same thing. But surely coolmini wouldn't lie to us.

 lucasbuffalo wrote:
Everything I got (reshot 2nd pic due to missing in first big picture.

Did you not get any base inserts?

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 lucasbuffalo wrote:
Everything I got (reshot 2nd pic due to missing in first big picture.

Did you not get any base inserts?

Ah yes, sorry. Didn't bother including those, bot got a LOT

 DaveC wrote:
I'm beginning to think that it will take about 6 weeks to complete EU packing which coincidently is how long the boat would take to get to the EU. I hope to be proven wrong but I'm expecting an update on July 25th that says they are now in Germany and shipping has started for EU backers.

Finally, if you discover anything is missing from your package, like parts, models, etc. please contact Soda Pop Miniatures at: info@sodapopminiatures.com and you will be taken care of after the kickstarter has been fulfilled.

I hadn't considered the above two statements together before. It was always my assumption that once shipping was complete in the states, then we'd start getting mispacks and missing items taken care of here.

Now I'm wondering if fulfillment in this case is on a global scale before corrections are made.

My chief complaint with the RK models is still the faces. They're basically non-existent and my skills as a painter, if we want to be generous and call them skills, are nowhere near good enough to paint what isn't there. I'm thinking of skipping base coats on some heads for fear of losing what lines are there.

I went ahead and started replacing all my Black Diamond Corps heads. I then got upset with the complete lack of detail on the guns and started to replace those as well. I'm not sure how much of the original model will survive by the time I'm done.

Wow, seeing the two materials together on one model really makes you appreciate the sharpness of HIPS. The PVC legs look like they're made of play doh in comparison.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, seeing the two materials together on one model really makes you appreciate the sharpness of HIPS. The PVC legs look like they're made of play doh in comparison.

They really do. They almost have a Stay Puft Marshmallow/Michelin Man Look.

I just got lost and confused with the latest KS comments.

WTF happened?

 Piston Honda wrote:
I just got lost and confused with the latest KS comments.

WTF happened?

Mind summarizing?

I went to try and wade through but I couldn't do it....

typical someone said something stupid and was a hyperbole. and it avalanched to more stupid hyperbole things.

you know, like many comments on the internet. that's pretty much what I got out of it.

I feel like flooding the comments section of RK or Fallen Frontiers with obvious facts.


Did you know elephants are terrible at playing the piano?

Got mine in, and so far I THINK everything is there, except possibly a metal replacement for Calico Kate. Was she supposed to get one of the less-fanservicey alternate poses? I was never able to find out where the information on the alternate poses came from.