It would also be a bad thing to continue with in this thread.

It really is time for everyone to make a converted effort to return to civility and on topic posts.

I guess that will be the 2nd warning to do so in this thread...

I know they mentioned a pledge calculator; has that come out yet? I'm at 270 and wanna make sure my swap-in of the Noh box and 2 rule books will net me the rest.

Here is a fan made one.

You will need to make a copy of it before you can edit it.

The CKPM (CMON Kickstarter Pledge Manager) will be sent out after the kickstarter closes and you will use it to tell CMON how you want your funds to be used.


SPM_Deke

 terrainguy wrote:
Here is a fan made one.

You will need to make a copy of it before you can edit it.

The CKPM (CMON Kickstarter Pledge Manager) will be sent out after the kickstarter closes and you will use it to tell CMON how you want your funds to be used.


SPM_Deke

That is very nice and helpful indeed - thanks!

The completist in me say that because I own a copy of SDE I should spend the money on the extra heroes, even though I have yet to play the game. Fine. But I see them releasing at least 3 more, a one per faction type of thing. That's three more stretch goals tied to this project that are SDE and not RK related with only four days to go before close.

Don't mind at all helping them finish the set. Would rather see it as one stretch goal instead of 3, 4, 6. So we can get back to RK related stretches. Kinda of a use our money type of thing.

Also, I was looking throught the mini archives. What about the regular Candy and Cola? Not the cosplay. Has the regular C & C made it into the KS somewhere? That'd be a worthy addon somewhere. Or are they not making her because she's faction specific and SPM doesn't have equivalents for the other factions?

Terrainguy?
DaveC?

Does anyone know if Sodapop Miniatures are working on expanding the RK model range / universe?

Most stuff from KS was already out there, I really hope we can expect some new characters and (brand) new models.

I would love to see some "tentacle aliens" faction (cthulhu meets anime or something :p)

I doubt we will see new factions any time soon as 6 is the "magic number" in the RK universe.

Sigh new stretch goals revealed, 2 k fallback......

Yep $3,020 gone as someone dropped a Tell my Story Too pledge it was probably a stretch booster - someone who pledges big to get a stretch unlocked and then drops it again once it's sufficiently far past the stretch goal to allow them to do so whilst keeping the stretch unlocked.

Sorry MightyGodzilla I know nothing other than what I've read around various forums SPM_Deke is the one to ask about that.

 MightyGodzilla wrote:

Also, I was looking throught the mini archives. What about the regular Candy and Cola? Not the cosplay. Has the regular C & C made it into the KS somewhere? That'd be a worthy addon somewhere. Or are they not making her because she's faction specific and SPM doesn't have equivalents for the other factions?

Candy & Cola are not forgotten!

DaveC wrote:
Yep $3,020 gone as someone dropped a Tell my Story Too pledge it was probably a stretch booster - someone who pledges big to get a stretch unlocked and then drops it again once it's sufficiently far past the stretch goal to allow them to do so whilst keeping the stretch unlocked.

Sorry MightyGodzilla I know nothing other than what I've read around various forums SPM_Deke is the one to ask about that.

I don't think so those 3 tell my story that ahem left were there for a really long time, if they were just a booster they would have left weeks ago.

And yes I may sound negative and maybe I am a bit, but I went in just to get a one shot because I like the model and now I am honestly interested in the game and I do not see the direction going good for the kickstarter at least.

The kickstarter's already done great, right? Way more than their original goal and still time to go beyond $500k.

If my suspicion is correct, then the stretch goals seem like a risky strategy. Basically, holding off the really good stuff until the final stretch goals to get supporters into a mad dash to the finish line(s) that should, ideally, cause the KS to skyrocket.

Bold move, Soda Pop. Bold move!

 terrainguy wrote:

 Dais wrote:
Grot, I was under the impression that those pictures were to show off the factions and the overall style and the sculpting they were capable of, not part of the starter. Neither Zineda nor Suspect 7 were ever in the listings for what you got in the initial starter set and the pictures were probably taken down because they caused confusion.

This is exactly correct. Originally we had more pictures of different models that were NEVER included in the starter sets, just so people could see more model pictures from the faction. Unfortunately it caused a great deal of confusion with people not certain what was in the starter. So we removed the pictures. It was that simple. There was no bait and switch.

@Orlando
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll certainly discuss it with the guys but at the moment it is not something we are planning.

Thanks for taking my suggestion onboard. I still hope you can persude the others its a good idea, but thanks for letting me know where things stand


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Dentry wrote:
The kickstarter's already done great, right? Way more than their original goal and still time to go beyond $500k.

If my suspicion is correct, then the stretch goals seem like a risky strategy. Basically, holding off the really good stuff until the final stretch goals to get supporters into a mad dash to the finish line(s) that should, ideally, cause the KS to skyrocket.

Bold move, Soda Pop. Bold move!

I'm not sure it's a deliberate move to hold the good stuff till the end.

There has been a lot of call for Chibi figures amongst their fans (and as of the poll in February on their facebook site SDE was more popular then Relic Knights by 6 to 1)

Now they probably arn't something I'm going to invest in, but they have given decent growth, so I'd say they've been successful stretches

I quite like the idea of a Manga, as long as it doesn't try to shoehorn all 6 relic knights in as only 4 pages each would be a bit thin. The price for the hard copy is a bit more than I'd pay for an American comic, but on par with Japanese stuff imported into the UK

Dunno if I'm going in on this one I remember awhile ago some friends convinced me to try Anima tactics we played it for a little while but ultimately it died out. The figs were nice and I converted some for other games like Fantasy and 40k.

The models for this looks cool. Could convert Sebastian and Cross to be a badass dreadknight and the cat rider could be a thunder wolf.

I actually really like SDE and more characters for it would be cool. I haven't actually played my copy as I haven't built my figs yet. Played a friends beautifully painted SDE and its a really fun game.

Well, I went in. I was debating for a bit, but really I was bound to drop 50$ on one or more of the relic knights anyway, as well the questing models and probably those ninjas. So all told, coming out a bit ahead, and maybe it will drive me to finish painting Mayla and Calico Kate

Given my 'free' Ltd. Ed slots only cover two models, I've upped for the new SDE char. Wonder how many more they're planning on making?

All the negative postings on the ks page as well as cmon not updating quickly or responding have really pushed me away from this. Guess its a good thing as the dream forge ks is a week after this closes. Not a big fan of the chibi stretch goals, they should have kept those for a sde is which I'm sure will happen in a few weeks once this is over and done with.

Update#38

We've put together a moderated area where you can post developer questions about Relic Knights, and get them voted up to get answers so we know what to prioritize!

https://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=1ff277&t=1ff277.40

Seems to be a place to ask questions directly to the developer you can vote up or down a question so that it is more likely to get answers. Kevin Clark one of the developers is answering questions there now.

 DaveC wrote:
Update#38

We've put together a moderated area where you can post developer questions about Relic Knights, and get them voted up to get answers so we know what to prioritize!

https://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=1ff277&t=1ff277.40

Seems to be a place to ask questions directly to the developer you can vote up or down a question so that it is more likely to get answers. Kevin Clark one of the developers is answering questions there now.

Terrainguy say they have plans to make a Candy and Cola (I assumed with rules), Kevin says as far as he knows they're not. Makes me wonder.... how in touch with the pulse of RK this guy really is. Sure he's played a few games and can answer that type of stuff, but when the questions get real will he fold up like a cheap card table.

<the tone/inflection should be felt as though a 2 bit detective were on the case>

He does seem to be contradicting a lot that soda pop has said

(like already released RK models will NOT get rules or cards, where soda pop have said they are working on a way to do it)

and dig that 'no' voting on the questions, we're real grumps today

I will go check to make sure all the answers reflect the current state of development.

Yeah Deke I noticed some of what he says has contradicted what you have said

and with the new add ons congratulations you just made a lot of money

YAY Black Dragons!

and the others are nice too

Ok lots of new optional buys:

Man you are fast!

Here's the text to the pics:

Black Diamond - Black Dragons (3) (Minion)
The Black Dragons are the elite of Black Diamond’s mercenary forces. Equipped with the heaviest tactical powered armor available they excel at both defending their convoys and black ops offensives.

Cerci Speed Circuit - Royal Wreckers (1) (Minion)
When your racer gets slagged you need to be able to recover the wreckage quickly so your pit crew can get immediately to work. The Royal Wreckers excel at raceway recovery and should the occasion call for it, performing a little wrecking of their own.

Doctrine - Academy Guard (3) (Minion)
The young minds of The Doctrine’s Erudite Prefectorium for Scholarly Excellence are its most valuable resource. In this time where Esper itself is torn asunder the Doctrine will need every practitioner it can call upon. It is these grim, construct, guardian’s duty to to ensure their safety.

Noh Empire - Serpent Priestess (1) (Minion)
The Hydra God, Nozuki, demands strict and unceasing devotion as well as a constant stream of souls to sate his eternal hunger. It is the Serpent Priestesses who ensure his will is done.

Shattered Sword - Purifiers (3) (Minion)
With calamity on the rise it grows increasingly difficult for the paladin orders to maintain the peace. It is the Purifiers task to secure safe havens, scouring them of any corrupting influences, and then tend to those in need.

Star Nebula Corsairs - Blowhards (1) (Minion)
Sometimes what you need to get in is an explosion. Sometimes what you need to get away is … an explosion. Blowhards take to the sappers art with relish: breaching hulls, exploding safes, and booby trapping escape routes to ensure none can follow.

Digging the concept art of the Serpent Priestess, and to a lesser extent the Black Dragons and Blowhards (plural, but there is only one?) Will there be only on Blowhard for 10$? And if so, how big will it be? Seems strange to get 3 Black Dragons for the same price as 1 Blowhard if they are all the same size.

GOD DAMN YOU People"!!! Now i must spend more money...although that plush is so damn cute.

 terrainguy wrote:
Man you are fast!
.

Hehe sorry Deke! your sending me broke here I hope you know! I only put the pictures as that's all anyone will look at anyway

 Empchild wrote:
GOD DAMN YOU People"!!! Now i must spend more money...although that plush is so damn cute.

Damn them all!!!

What a lovely lot of folk at Soda Pop

what a super set of options

(but it does look like BD & SSP gets a better deal figure wise, though Cerci's is big)

Lol

Melikes. Could spend another $50-60 here. Probably will. We can up our pledge after all this is done correct. Because I'm thinking I need to look at all of this over again so I can up my pledge appropriately.

Also, what about that BD chick someone posted between 1 and 20 pages back? The one who rolls in the Black Dragon armor. Is she gonna make it into here?

Well Sarah Drake didn't show, so it looks like there is more too see yet

excited squeek

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
What a lovely lot of folk at Soda Pop

what a super set of options

(but it does look like BD & SSP gets a better deal figure wise, though Cerci's is big)

Don't forget the Priestess is twice the size of a normal mini as well so it's only the Blowhards that seem a little over priced - by comparison to the others perhaps 2 for $10 unless there's something we've missed

Where does it say that the Serpent Priestess is twice the size of a normal mini? Am I missing links again?

No it doesn't say that anywhere I'm just assuming her size going by the other Noh minis and Zineda in particular for the Priestess size have a look at this picture and you'll see the size difference

well the blowhard is wearing a belt-bra

maybe that make up for her size

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Empchild wrote:
GOD DAMN YOU People"!!! Now i must spend more money...although that plush is so damn cute.

Damn them all!!!

Soda Pop Miniatures: Finding more ways to separate nerds and their money.

And damn you for it! Damn you! How will I put food on the table now?

Are only the cosplay/sde and penny arcade models limited?

It's getting a bit to much (cash-wise) so I have to make choices :p So some advice is appreciated

Thanks.

I think they're the only limited things. Of course, at current count there are 12 limited things. That's a lot!

 devilution wrote:
Are only the cosplay/sde and penny arcade models limited?

It's getting a bit to much (cash-wise) so I have to make choices :p So some advice is appreciated

Thanks.

I asked a similar question on the SP website and they said that special edition models are limited release, but not limited in number. They may get second runs, but will not see major distribution. In the case of these, the kickstarter states they are intended to be convention exclusives (I assume it means available at every con they attend.)

7 limited SE figs
3 (well in about 15 mins at current rate) SDEs
2 Penny Arcades

my guess is the penny arcades will be hardest to get later as the will have been licenced for just this KS, and they're more expensive, so folk may give them up first if funds are short

Blowhards are 2 for $10 just confirmed by CMON they will fix the update shortly

Yeah - the limited editions (on top of everything else) are making this quite an expensive kickstarter if you want to snag these things while it's your only chance to do so...

7 cosplays
6-7 SDE (eventually, I'm assuming 1 for each faction, + maybe a Marie-Claude?)
2 PA
= $160-170 just to snag all the "limited" stuff.

It might be better if they did an SDE 'pack'. Like $50 for all the SDE's added to this (and throw in the Candy & Cola SDE character as well).

Schmapdi wrote:
Yeah - the limited editions (on top of everything else) are making this quite an expensive kickstarter if you want to snag these things while it's your only chance to do so...

7 cosplays
6-7 SDE (eventually, I'm assuming 1 for each faction, + maybe a Marie-Claude?)
2 PA
= $160-170 just to snag all the "limited" stuff.

Don't forget $30 for a Plush Cola doll too, that's here or cons only as well

I wish they would make GGEA really GGEA :p for example 350/400 and get everything but that's dreaming ^^

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It might be better if they did an SDE 'pack'. Like $50 for all the SDE's added to this (and throw in the Candy & Cola SDE character as well).

That would be great and much better received than the streachgoals!



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I am satisfied with the change of pace and the new add ons and as it seems the entire community is the funding skyrocketed.

Schmapdi wrote:
Yeah - the limited editions (on top of everything else) are making this quite an expensive kickstarter if you want to snag these things while it's your only chance to do so...

7 cosplays
6-7 SDE (eventually, I'm assuming 1 for each faction, + maybe a Marie-Claude?)
2 PA
= $160-170 just to snag all the "limited" stuff.

You could always redeem or trade-in some Faction Starters or Rule Books if you're pledging Savior or more.

At the Savior level you can trade in a Faction Starter and Rule Book for a total of $85 credit. That means that you could get the following:

1 x Faction Starter
7 x SE Minis
7 x SDE Minis
2 x PA Minis

For about $165. Cheaper than purchasing everything individually since you need at least a Merchant Level pledge of $50 in order to buy stuff in the first place.

Edit: At that point it might be more convenient to just go Double Savior for $190 actually, havent worked out the math.

I'll have to check myself. I'm in for Saviour, plus an additional starter (plus the big Axe Robot, the Pit Crew, 4 extra Ltd. Eds and Gave & Tycho). Adding the Black Dragon, Wrecker and Purifier girls will make it more expensive, so I'm wondering if a double-Saviour will help.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'll have to check myself. I'm in for Saviour, plus an additional starter (plus the big Axe Robot, the Pit Crew, 4 extra Ltd. Eds and Gave & Tycho). Adding the Black Dragon, Wrecker and Purifier girls will make it more expensive, so I'm wondering if a double-Saviour will help.

So...

3 x Faction Starters
8 x SE Minis
2 x PA Minis
1 x Black Diamond Extras
1 x Cerci Speed Circuit Extras
1 x Black Dragons
1 x Purifiers
1 x Wreckers

Comes out to $275 if you Double Savior and trade in one Faction Starter and one Rule Book.

You can trade in faction starters?

I'll need to re-read all that stuff then. Thanks for the info!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You can trade in faction starters?

I'll need to re-read all that stuff then. Thanks for the info!

Yes, you can trade in Faction Starters at the Savior Level and up. But you can only trade in half of the Factions Starters for that level. And I believe the value of those trade-ins go down. I'm not certain on the specifics.

Ok, yeah, $60 saving if I do it that way (after adding in Purifiers, Wrecker, x2 Black Dragons & Rook).

Dentry wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Empchild wrote:
GOD DAMN YOU People"!!! Now i must spend more money...although that plush is so damn cute.

Damn them all!!!

Soda Pop Miniatures: Finding more ways to separate nerds and their money.

And damn you for it! Damn you! How will I put food on the table now?

In fairness as soon as the wife saw the plush toy she told me to buy it for her. It's a rare occassion she wants anything so when it is a way for me to sneak more money in for models I'm down!

Is there anyone in the U.S. that will let me piggy back on them to get the SDE figs? I like the Relic Knights stuf but just had twins and I got to watch my budget.

Send me a PM. I'd be happy to.

Relic Knights Manga unlocked



Next up SDE Kisa @ $530k



Then Boost Tokens @ $560K




Boosts are little augments you can bring along with your cadre to improve their performance! Normally represented with flat tokens put on the base of the model, if we hit $560k each Savior level pledge will receive 1 set of these great 3D Boost Tokens, (i.e. 1 at Savior, 2 at Double Savior and 3 at GTGEA) and will be available for $10 a set!

Finally a hint at more models coming up EX2+ boost perhaps
.... and what else is in store? Perhaps... more models?

Those boosts look so cool

(though the will probably be quite tiny)

even so I may want another set

I hope we get those little tokens. They'll be useful in all sorts of places.

Plus more SDE! YAY!

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
CMON jumping to say one thing related to CKPM after 3 days and soda pop itself finally jumped in on the end of day 4 to speak.

Are they having a CKPM for this? I'm out of cash, but still pledged for a small amount. - But I might look at going in for a larger set once the dust has cleared and what the actual pledges are is totally clear. Baed on the speed of CKPMs I might even have money again by then.

Yes there will be a CKPM

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It might be better if they did an SDE 'pack'. Like $50 for all the SDE's added to this (and throw in the Candy & Cola SDE character as well).

That would be a fantastic idea. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening.


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 DaveC wrote:
Yes there will be a CKPM

thanks!

Ok. Changed my pledge to double-saviour. When swap-ins and swap-outs and extra Ltd. Ed. minis are counted my pledge amount... didn't change (and that's including Kisa!).

Weird how that works out.

I've had a look at the boost tokens and here are my guesses as to what they could do (probably single use ? or could they stay there all game?)

Ammo Drop - extra ranged damage
Combat Stims - extra melee damage
Dampening Field - ? maybe block/reduce psycic attack
Esper Condense(er) - free esper
Kinetic Dampner - block/reduce ranged damage
Medkit - heal some/all damage on a model
Proximity mine - damage melee attacker (or prevent attack)
somebody else suggested this may be Psycic Magnifier which give extra psycic damage, probably a better bet than my first suggsetion (of muffler)

How much for the guys for the game, and a set of the chibis, without all of the selfspank clouding up the project?

Which guys for the game?

I mean, which faction?

And, all the extras for that faction too?

A few posts back there is an excellent fan made Excel spreadsheet that adds it all up nicely for us!

Fanguad's calculator is here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApKPGNAt3UUwdFh2X0VjN2RVZ2hXMmhKbnpVekZYRkE#gid=0

save to your desktop before using (and it's got the as yet unlocked Kisa on it)

Nice - thanks for the link to the updated version!

CKPM saves my budget spreading

Woohoo I can get everything after all :p

What's a CKPM? Some way to pay later?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What's a CKPM? Some way to pay later?

I assume that the PM means it's some sort of pledge manager. But besides the acronym I got nothing.

Coolminiornot kickstarter pledge manager. In the other ks's you could choose your rewards and extras and add to your pledge via PayPal.

Oh, sweet. With the latest upgrade options, I can't fit everything I want in this month's credit limit.

It's surprising how quickly the KS has progressed. We're nearing the $530k goal already.

The boost tokens look very characterful and don't fill me with Raeg™. I'm curious how big they'll be.

Also.... where's Sophia Drake?!

God Bless SDE - if nothing else, it is good for increasing the pledge levels for the rest of us, getting us to the good stuff quicker!

Of course, the extra freebies and the multitude of $10 extras probably helped a lot too!

Might be a stupid question here, but I can't see any info in regards to the manga?

Is that a freebie with pledges??

 Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:
Might be a stupid question here, but I can't see any info in regards to the manga?

Is that a freebie with pledges??

PDF is free. If you want a hard copy it is $5.



SPM_Deke

 Alpharius wrote:
God Bless SDE - if nothing else, it is good for increasing the pledge levels for the rest of us, getting us to the good stuff quicker!

Of course, the extra freebies and the multitude of $10 extras probably helped a lot too!

I think its mostly about the extra incentive one more models to buy and not about SDE, it was the point it personally tipped me in going deep and yes when I say I wanted the black dragons my pledge now includes 4 packs of them (yes 12).

So I moved on to double my double savior.

A related question, because it got buried in the kickstarter comments I ask here if anybody knows, if I have an early bird double savior and decide to stack another double savior on top the second will be another early bird or a normal double savior?

I guessing you'll have one 'early bird' and one 'regular' - but best to still seek an Official Answer!

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
God Bless SDE - if nothing else, it is good for increasing the pledge levels for the rest of us, getting us to the good stuff quicker!

Of course, the extra freebies and the multitude of $10 extras probably helped a lot too!

I think its mostly about the extra incentive one more models to buy and not about SDE, it was the point it personally tipped me in going deep and yes when I say I wanted the black dragons my pledge now includes 4 packs of them (yes 12).

Why so many Black Dragons? Is it simply for hobby or will you be gaming with all 12?

 Alpharius wrote:
I guessing you'll have one 'early bird' and one 'regular' - but best to still seek an Official Answer!

Alpharius is correct. The early birds are limited in number and any additional pledges are at the regular rate.

Dentry wrote:

Why so many Black Dragons? Is it simply for hobby or will you be gaming with all 12?

Simply for hobby.


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 terrainguy wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I guessing you'll have one 'early bird' and one 'regular' - but best to still seek an Official Answer!

Alpharius is correct. The early birds are limited in number and any additional pledges are at the regular rate.

I thought as much, but wanted to clarify it thanks for the official clarification ^^

 terrainguy wrote:

Alpharius is correct.

I have to admit, I can't read that enough...

Especially in this thread!

On topic - I'm actually beginning to think we'll get (and hit!) at least one more as of yet unrevealed, cool Relic Knights related stretch goal now!

 terrainguy wrote:

 Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:
Might be a stupid question here, but I can't see any info in regards to the manga?

Is that a freebie with pledges??

PDF is free. If you want a hard copy it is $5.



SPM_Deke

Gah I want a hard copy so that's more monies and also the new Noh priestess, if it's as good as Zinenda I will be over the moon! Thanks for the info

Another question for you though, all these stretch goals I am presuming will be manufactured after all the set pledges like 'saviour of the universe' for example? Or will everything be made at the same time and all mini's be out in one package?

 Alpharius wrote:

On topic - I'm actually beginning to think we'll get (and hit!) at least one more as of yet unrevealed, cool Relic Knights related stretch goal now!

I hope that too, the boosters are really nice and I really hope the next RK related boost will be add ons for the new options, yes I mean Sophia Drake and other related things, too bad we have to grind through another SDE miniature... and whatever the people in the kickstarter may think, the SDE are really acting as speed buffers, and not as speed boosters on the pledge, the cross SDE miniature was blazed so was the comic because it coincided with the new RK things to buy.

I might actually back this... But I can't really say I'm feeling drawn to any of the factions. Most I feel drawn to the Spess Pirates, but they don't seem to get as much lack of decent clothing as other factions, which somehow makes them kind of meh for me regarding this game

580K Stretch - yet another SDE figure. Hurrah?

600K Stretch is something called "Relic Knights Battle Poses".

Huh?

Guessing: Relic Knights Battle Poses = Alternate Battle-Posed Model?

Edit: Also, when are we getting art for the Doctrine Academy Guard? I'm thinking they'll be golems, but need confirmation.

Here's Kisa's concept art



and the new stretch wheel



Re Battle poses:

Creator CoolMiniOrNot 2 minutes ago

Battle poses will be alt poses for Calico Kate, Malya and One Shot; i.e. not so pinup for those more seriously inclined. These will be a free inclusion, so you can pick which pilot you'd like to use!

So you will get both poses and if you don't like the pin up version you can use the more reserved battle version

Ninja'd

Gotta say, these late game goals are a bit lame.

Alt figs. That's pretty awesome. 70K, doable in 3 days.

Well if there's gonna be another SDE mini, I might as well bump my pledge by $10.

Where are these new goals? I don't see them updated on the KS site?

They are on the KS homepage not the update there will be 2 more SDEs Kasaro then One Shot probably at $620k or $630k

Well I am excited about battle poses, not excited by SDE, hope we see drake before this ends.

A minor though about battle poses, is it good to have a goal that affects only half the factions?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Well I am excited about battle poses, not excited by SDE, hope we see drake before this ends.

A minor though about battle poses, is it good to have a goal that affects only half the factions?

Agreed - it is a bit odd!

These endgame stretches don't seem likely to cause a last minute surge.

I think they're holding something back still.

And I too really want to see Sophie Drake!

I hope they don't release anything else that I'm tempted to buy....I'm already in too deep

I wonder will the battle poses be included with the miniatures from now on? Or will they be kick-starter only?

I'd be a lot more interested in One-shot (at some point in the future) if she was actually sitting in her damn robot for instance.

I think they'd do well to include a pin-up and a "serious" pose for each Knight.

Schmapdi wrote:
I wonder will the battle poses be included with the miniatures from now on? Or will they be kick-starter only?

I'd be a lot more interested in One-shot (at some point in the future) if she was actually sitting in her damn robot for instance.

I think they'd do well to include a pin-up and a "serious" pose for each Knight.

What's this about alternate poses? My Relic Knights are piloted by twins.

Dentry wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:
I wonder will the battle poses be included with the miniatures from now on? Or will they be kick-starter only?

I'd be a lot more interested in One-shot (at some point in the future) if she was actually sitting in her damn robot for instance.

I think they'd do well to include a pin-up and a "serious" pose for each Knight.

What's this about alternate poses? My Relic Knights are piloted by twins.

Oh, good call!

This looks interesting. Seems like the minis would be fun to paint and Super Dungeon Explore is really fun. A bit skeptical about the game itself though. The thing that sold me is the Cola plushie looks so adorable.

Hey guys, a question I hope you can answer me:
Me and two of my pals want to back this together and get one faction each. Is it possible to combine the Saviour of the Universe (two factions, one rulebook) award with the Mercenary Charter (one faction) award and combine shipping of them? I would ask them myself, but somehow can't do so from my phone (can't fill in the question field), and I would like to get an answer as soon as possible!

(Edit: and what in the world is that red-white flag? It's certainly not my home country. I don't even recognize it!)

You can combine them, but from what I understand the shipping stays the same, better go for a higher tier and trade back the unwanted stuff, for extras.

The flag is Austria, probably your internet provider or some other proxy uses it, if you want contact dakka to fix you the correct flag.

While on kickstarter the trend continues, SDE related streach goal things slow down, RK related streachgoal, things blaze through.

You can stack pledge levels yes but postage is charged separately on each pledge level there is no combined shipping cost.

So you could select Savior as your pledge level at $100 add postage for $25 then add extra money for an extra Faction for $50 plus $15 postage for a total pledge of $190. You get a choice of 2 special edition minis.

Or if you pledge Double Savior for $190 plus $50 shipping for a total of $240 you can trade back the second rulebook for $35 credit and the extra (4th) faction for $45 credit giving you $80 credit to spend on optional extras (cannot be offset against shipping you must select $80 of optionals – this will be sort after in the survey) and you get a choice of 4 special edition minis included for $50 more. Pledge Double Savior and a total pledge of $240.

Your choice depends if you want extras or just the basic factions

Yeah, The CF, your best bet is to get the Double Saviour and trade in the stuff you don't want. Then you get more useful stuff!

I'm doing the Gotta Get Em All. I really have to say that the calculator is a godsend. Dropping Corsairs (ironically getting their bonus figs tho) but getting all the limited ed. figures. Pity they did not increase the amount of special edition mini's Savior got since they added more, but makes sense to increase stretch goals.

Debating keeping or dropping fiametta and hasami. Already own the prefects in metal (*twitch*) but they are unassembled, so the plastics would be far easier to manage, but I'm sitting at 365 already.

Edit: this is why I shouldn't post past 2am.

Really looking forward to the rest of the goals... and this thing seems to be climbing fast again.

I'm sure this has been asked, but I missed it if it has been... will the non-limited figures continue to be available in injection molded plastic after the kickstarter (like Fiametta, Hasami, & Navarre) or just metal again?

Ohh, I think I might be able to persuade my friends to do a trade-in. What are you allowed to trade? Everything in the Relic Knights catalog?

Edit: also, I checked the relic knights web store. Are the minis there proper examples of the quality the sculpts will be?

For all Information
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/relic-knights/posts/299533

Edit also boost models are in 40k to combat poses.

And now so am I. I changed from Double Saviour to Gotta Get 'Em All.

After trade-ins my pledge amount went from $350 to... $350 (and I picked up Austrican & Navarre and 1 extra Ltd Ed. - Darkspace Rin if there's no more SDE's)!

 The CF wrote:
Ohh, I think I might be able to persuade my friends to do a trade-in. What are you allowed to trade? Everything in the Relic Knights catalog?

You can trade in the rulebooks for $35 credit for each rulebook traded. Savior comes with 1 rulebook, Double savior with 2 and Gotta Get Em All with 3. You can trade in all rulebooks even if that would leave you with none.

Savior comes with 2 starter factions, Double Savior with 4 and Gotta Get Em All with 6. You can trade in a max of 1/2 the factions from a pledge level. 1 faction from Savior level for $50, 1 or 2 factions from Double Savior for $45 per faction traded or 1,2 or 3 factions from Gotta Get Em All for $40 credit per faction - the reason for the lesser amounts at higher pledge levels is due to the discounts the higher pledge levels already have built into the price. If you stack pledge levels trade ins come from the highest pledge level first - still to be confirmed but I got a response form CMON that said err on the side of caution for now.

There are no other trade options.

Great info for the trade in purposes (not worth trading in the starters at GGEA, since it's only 5 bucks more than the books).

Again, curious if these minis will continue to be released in plastic going forward from here? Or is that only for this kickstarter?

Edit: Really need to make sure I include all questions before going back to edit...

Okay, are trading in the faction starters a separate thing from trading in the hardback rulebooks? AKA: can you trade in both, or does the starter include the rulebook?

 DaveC wrote:

 The CF wrote:
Ohh, I think I might be able to persuade my friends to do a trade-in. What are you allowed to trade? Everything in the Relic Knights catalog?

You can trade in the rulebooks for $35 credit for each rulebook traded. Savior comes with 1 rulebook, Double savior with 2 and Gotta Get Em All with 3. You can trade in all rulebooks even if that would leave you with none.

Savior comes with 2 starter factions, Double Savior with 4 and Gotta Get Em All with 6. You can trade in a max of 1/2 the factions from a pledge level. 1 faction from Savior level for $50, 1 or 2 factions from Double Savior for $45 per faction traded or 1,2 or 3 factions from Gotta Get Em All for $40 credit per faction - the reason for the lesser amounts at higher pledge levels is due to the discounts the higher pledge levels already have built into the price. If you stack pledge levels trade ins come from the highest pledge level first - still to be confirmed but I got a response form CMON that said err on the side of caution for now.

There are no other trade options.

Oh, sorry, I expressed myself slightly incorrectly. I assume you can't just trade away one faction and one rulebook to get the Double Saviour for 80$ cheaper. So what are the options you can "buy" with these credits? I assume ltd. ed. figures. Anything more?

As far as I know, the trade-ins can be traded for any of the optional purchases. Anything but shipping from what I can tell.

 The CF wrote:

Oh, sorry, I expressed myself slightly incorrectly. I assume you can't just trade away one faction and one rulebook to get the Double Saviour for 80$ cheaper. So what are the options you can "buy" with these credits? I assume ltd. ed. figures. Anything more?

Correct you don't get $80 off you have to spend it on any of the following

Any SE mini can be purchased for $10
The Penny Arcade Gabe and Tycho are $15 each
Black Diamond Assault Armour and P2 breaker team for $35
Black Diamond Black Dragons 3 for $10
Noh Beastmaster and 4 Hounds for $35
Noh Serpent Priestess 1 for $10
Cerci Sped Circuit Betty and Lug and 2 pit crew for $35
CSC Royal Breaker (Mech) 1 for $10
Doctrine Fimetta and Hasami and the 3 Prefects for $25
Doctrine Academy Guard 3 for $10
Shattered Sword Paladins Austrican and Hauser for $25
SSP - Purifiers 3 for $10
Star Nebula Corsairs Kenobo, Squall and Moffet for $25
SNC Blowhard team 1 (2 minis) for $10
Battlemat $20 (+$15 international shipping - can't use credit against the $15 shipping)
Extra Factions $50 (+$15 international shipping - can't use credit against the $15 shipping)
Boost Tokens $10 per extra set
Cola Plushie Toy - $30
Printed version of Manga pdf - $5
Rulebook $35 - added for completeness (why would you trade a book for a book!)

Dave, just to clarify... we can trade in both a rulebook and a starter separately, yes?

So if I'm at GGEA, and I trade in 2 factions and 5 books, that gives me 80+175=275 for extras, right?

Again, hope someone can answer on whether these will continue to be available in injection molded plastic after the kickstarter... I'm assuming yes.

Yes you can trade in both rulebooks and starters for combined credit.

GGEA only has 3 rulebooks not 5 at 2 rulebook trade in (assuming you keep 1) you get $70 and then $80 for 2 factions so $150 in credit to spend on optional extras.

The purpose of the KS is to move from the current expensive metal minis to cheaper (price wise) plastic so the regular stuff - the starters and optional extras (not the SE or Penny Arcade) will be available in plastic going forward the question is whether they will still offer the metal/resin versions once the plastic is available.

Wow, you are really helpful Dave! Thanks a lot!

 DaveC wrote:
Yes you can trade in both rulebooks and starters for combined credit.

GGEA only has 3 rulebooks not 5 at 2 rulebook trade in (assuming you keep 1) you get $70 and then $80 for 2 factions so $150 in credit to spend on optional extras.

The purpose of the KS is to move from the current expensive metal minis to cheaper (price wise) plastic so the regular stuff - the starters and optional extras (not the SE or Penny Arcade) will be available in plastic going forward the question is whether they will still offer the metal/resin versions once the plastic is available.

This is EXACTLY what I needed to know and can change my pledge accordingly. Knowing the optional extras will be available in plastic going forward helps me work out exactly what I want now knowing I can get the rest later.

Thanks DaveC!

The new stretch was met so now tokens are up.

I love this trade in deal as I am able to save $5 from what I wanted AND I get even more stuff... THIS ROCKS!!! Double Savior it is!

Just want the SDE figures, all 6 of them (assuming we hit the sgtretches needed)

then this is the update for you


Update #44 · Sep. 07, 2012 · 5 comments

The pledge level you want is Mercenary Charter ($50).

You'll be allowed to tradeback your Faction Starter for a $50 credit, allowing you to pick up the rest of the SDE figs!

Reminder: Shipping still applies on international pledges at this level.

Amended:- Does not included a Special Edition Miniatures choice, so the total for all 6 SDE would be $60.

So many people are going to be happy about that. A little late in the game though, they could have been nickel and diming $60 sales for over a week if they structured it correctly. Better late than never IMO!

Ah, but some will have decided the might as well get relic kights as well.

Now they pick up the folk who just wouldn't budge

That's cool glad they decided to do that for the people that want SDE only plus it helps the RK backers with their stretch goals.

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
So many people are going to be happy about that. A little late in the game though, they could have been nickel and diming $60 sales for over a week if they structured it correctly. Better late than never IMO!

To be fair there weren't exactly many SDE figs included until a couple of days ago, and we still don't have all of them.

Oh dear they could be about to royally mess this up! they are now talking about tying rulebooks to faction swap outs so you will only get $40 credit at GGEA for a faction and rulebook - this could turn ugly - awaiting confirmation from them.

You will lose the extra boost tokens if you trade in.

Creator CoolMiniOrNot about 1 hour ago

Yes you can use the CKPM to add funds later and if you trade GGtA and are left with 3 starters, you get 1 set of Boost Tokens. You can add another back in for $10.

Creator CoolMiniOrNot about 1 hour ago

Quick update - don't want to confuse everyone so it won't be a main update until it's over - trading in faction starters will start from the highest eligible value to the lowest (50/45/40). Stuff that is in the faction starter box will also be traded away (extra decks, tokens, character cards, qsr, playmats etc). Stuff that requires an entire Savior level (such as a the Boost Tokens) will be given at a rate of 1 per 2 Faction Starters, so those will also be traded away if you only have 1 Faction Starter left.

Creator CoolMiniOrNot about 1 hour ago

Your special edition figure allotment will not be affected (no change). Rulebooks - we're discussing whether they are tied to it, update shortly.

If the rule book trade ins go it will make a mess of my pledge,

and it looks like it hits international backers hard

but hopefully CMON will see it would cause too many problems if they took this away from us now

probably

They certainly need to make a final decision today.

we cant be trying to advise last minute backers with no idea how the trading will work

Just to clarify on the rulebook issue if you pledge GGEA and swap 1 or 2 factions you will lose 1 of the 3 rulebooks it's not available for trade for credit if you swap 3 or 4 factions you lose 2 rulebooks if you swap 5 or 6 factions you lose all rulebooks - that's what is now being proposed - THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED - it's what they are thinking of doing awaiting official update

 DaveC wrote:
Just to clarify on the rulebook issue if you pledge GGEA and swap 1 or 2 factions you will lose 1 of the 3 rulebooks it's not available for trade for credit if you swap 3 or 4 factions you lose 2 rulebooks if you swap 5 or 6 factions you lose all rulebooks - that's what is now being proposed - THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED - it's what they are thinking of doing awaiting official update

That would be exceedingly...foolish. And very much a douche move this late in the game. If that happens, I hope the pledge amounts sink like a stone.

~Eric

Messy business this stuff with the rulebooks. I know it would affect me greatly and have strong feelings about it.

My pledge will increase by $35 if they change the rules

 DaveC wrote:
My pledge will increase by $35 if they change the rules

Why in the world would you reward that behavior? You know what, don't answer that. You are obviously interested in the game and are certainly allowed to do as you like with your money. I guess all I'm saying is that rewarding them for this will only encourage more of the same later.

~Eric

Never said I was going to add the extra $35 just what it would cost me under the new proposed rules. I will actually pull funds - not my pledge - if this happens.

My pledge will not happen if they change the rulebook trade in.

Sorry, once again, a significant issue with the KS here. Its been a week since they declared you could trade in rulebooks. Its in the FAQ. Many people have worked at how best to figure their pledge.

And now, 40-something hours left, they are going to change it. AND not but that on the KS page.

In a related topic, whatever happened to their Tenticle Bento KS?

 DaveC wrote:
Never said I was going to add the extra $35 just what it would cost me under the new proposed rules. I will actually pull funds - not my pledge - if this happens.

Again, its not my business. Sorry for singling you out.

I'm just amazed at the sheer audacity of this.

~Eric

If they change the established trade-in rules at the 11th hour I will be very disappointed and pull out my donation. I don't expect this to happen though. I think coolminiornot has the kickstarter experience and business sense to see that it will be a bad move to make such a change within the last three days of the campaign.

Since there is no cited source for the proposed changes I'm just going to call this a rumor that was likely founded on a misinterpretation. I hope so anyway.

 DaveC wrote:
Never said I was going to add the extra $35 just what it would cost me under the new proposed rules. I will actually pull funds - not my pledge - if this happens.

Ditto. To the point where I abandon the whole thing and just get the smallest required pledge to get me the SDE minis and then walk away.

drazz wrote:
In a related topic, whatever happened to their Tenticle Bento KS?

People made a big deal over nothing, so KS pulled it.

 Dais wrote:
If they change the established trade-in rules at the 11th hour I will be very disappointed and pull out my donation. I don't expect this to happen though. I think coolminiornot has the kickstarter experience and business sense to see that it will be a bad move to make such a change within the last three days of the campaign.

But they could do it without repercussions, right? If they make this change and the information isn't properly disseminated and the kickstarter closes, they're golden from my understanding of this. People will have been charged and they'll have the money (barring bank/creditcard disputes). KS has a disclaimer about not being liable for fulfillment of rewards.

Who has the final say over this kinda thing? Soda Pop or CMON? Seems like communication between them isn't the best.

That would be a bad move indeed - they might "get away with it" once, but they might be forever tarred with the 'they screwed us over" brush going forward.

CMON already has a slight tinge of a bad past hanging about, no way they want to further complicate matters.

Especially not with three VERY successful Kickstarters to date.

They'll want to continue with this - not cash in quick and fade away.

The haven't announced anything like that so quit starting rumors.

Only I would have to switch around my pledge and would be pretty pissed. One thing though I have learned from CMON in dealing with them in business is they are worse then GW, and that says a lot. I am a huge fan of these minis but I would be severly pissed because I don't likek back room board deals like that that screw over the customers.

Let's hope this is just rumour and not fact.

 Bat Manuel wrote:
The haven't announced anything like that so quit starting rumors.

I said it was unconfirmed and CMON started the rumour themselves

Creator CoolMiniOrNot about 1 hour ago

Your special edition figure allotment will not be affected (no change). Rulebooks - we're discussing whether they are tied to it, update shortly.

Hopefully they won't make any stupid changes - it could really kill the momentum and prevent any further stretch goals from being met. And I don't want to endanger getting the chibi One-shot!

I like that you can trade in the $50 (+add $10) to just get the SDE set if you want. But I still think Saviour is the way to go - as you're giving up an awful lot of stuff for $40. I'm planning on going for the Doctrine - and it's like 23 minis (some of them quite large - counting the starters plus the $25 and $10 boost) plus all the tokens, cards and whatnot included. Plus I'll have $10 left over to snag a cosplay too.

Even if you didn't want it at all - I'd choose a faction, get the boosts and relevant cosplay for it - I think you'd easily clear $40 profit on Ebay.

It's all good carry on the latest update says nothing about tying rulebooks the faction trades


Math redux - the ultimate combo!
Update #45 · Sep. 07, 2012 · comment

Here's a quick reiteration of what you can and can't do trading in your stuff.

Shipping

At no time may traded credit apply to shipping.

Credit may be applied to

Special Edition Miniatures
Optional Items
Additional Faction Starter ($50 each, +$15 for international shipping).

Mercenary Faction Starter

May trade in for $50 in credit to apply to Special Edition figures or Optional items
Applicable shipping charges still apply (i.e. $15 for international shipping)

Savior types Faction Starter

May trade in 1 Faction Starter for every 2 for $50/$45/$40 in credit for Savior, Double Savior and Got to Get Em All respectively. i.e. Savior will be 1 at $50, Double Savior 2 at $45 and GTGEA 3 at $40 each max.
Free Boost Tokens will be given only for every 2 Faction Starters, so if you trade away 1 Faction Starter at Savior, you will not get them for free, although you can still pick them up at $10 per set.

Hardback rulebooks

May trade in any number of hardback rulebooks for $35 value. Note, you'll need at least one to field the optional units properly
This does not apply to the $45 pledge level.

Multiple pledge rewards

Pledge the total amount for your pledge rewards. i.e. if you want 2 GTGEA pledge at least $540.
When trading in Faction Starters, the highest value will be traded first. e.g. if you have 1 GTGEA and 1 Savior, and trade 2 Faction Starters, you will get $50 + $40 in credit.


A special note about Faction Starters. There's a lot of play paraphernalia included that are part of each Faction Starter, such as Esper Decks, tokens, character cards, playmats etc. They will be traded away together with the Faction Starter.

Looks like the rulebook trade-in stands.

I am disappoint that they took away the Boost Tokens if you trade in a Faction Starter, though. Sucky move.

Not a huge change there. Just the boost tokens, and the removal of cards, character cards and whatnot when you trade away starter packs (which makes sense).

That's all cool (I never actually thought you'd get the cards tokens etc if you traded in the starter.

Glad the rule book trades are unchanged

Happy my pledge is OK i'll now incease it

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not a huge change there. Just the boost tokens, and the removal of cards, character cards and whatnot when you trade away starter packs (which makes sense).

I think the Boost Tokens are a significant deal. If you trade in a Faction Starter all of a sudden you are excluded from a previously free Stretch Goal? It taxing, literally, people that only want one faction starter; you only need one to play with someone else.

Excellent I completely over looked this bit

When trading in Faction Starters, the highest value will be traded first. e.g. if you have 1 GTGEA and 1 Savior, and trade 2 Faction Starters, you will get $50 + $40 in credit.

So your not forced to take 2 factions from GGEA first for $40 each - $80 you actually get the highest values first that's a nice clarification - I Actually just gained $5 in credit

I looks like you can trade back a 'Savior level' for $135

I think most people won't be going for multiple different level pledges.

 Bat Manuel wrote:
I looks like you can trade back a 'Savior level' for $135

You can trade out 1 starter faction and a rulebook from Savior for $85 credit you must keep the second starter faction

- May trade in 1 Faction Starter for every 2 for $50/$45/$40 in credit for Savior, Double Savior and Got to Get Em All respectively. i.e. Savior will be 1 at $50, Double Savior 2 at $45 and GTGEA 3 at $40 each max.

Gotta catch 'em seems pretty reasonable...add on some stuff and it's still pretty reasonable.


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 DaveC wrote:

 Bat Manuel wrote:
I looks like you can trade back a 'Savior level' for $135

You can trade out 1 starter faction and a rulebook from Savior for $85 credit

- May trade in 1 Faction Starter for every 2 for $50/$45/$40 in credit for Savior, Double Savior and Got to Get Em All respectively. i.e. Savior will be 1 at $50, Double Savior 2 at $45 and GTGEA 3 at $40 each max.

I'm already in for GTGEA + $100~ so couldn't I just call that another Savior. Sell back 3 books and 2 starters for $205?

 Bat Manuel wrote:
Gotta catch 'em seems pretty reasonable...add on some stuff and it's still pretty reasonable.


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 DaveC wrote:

 Bat Manuel wrote:
I looks like you can trade back a 'Savior level' for $135

You can trade out 1 starter faction and a rulebook from Savior for $85 credit

- May trade in 1 Faction Starter for every 2 for $50/$45/$40 in credit for Savior, Double Savior and Got to Get Em All respectively. i.e. Savior will be 1 at $50, Double Savior 2 at $45 and GTGEA 3 at $40 each max.

I'm already in for GTGEA + $100~ so couldn't I just call that another Savior. Sell back 3 books and 2 starters for $205?

If My math is correct it will be an extra $195 in goodies. +50 from savior starter, +40 from ggea starter, +105 from three books

Chibi Kasaro to unlocked




Soda Pop Miniatures 2 minutes ago

Hey everyone - the bases for all the SDE models will indeed be dungeon tile textured as with our other models - Kasaro here will likely go through a few more renditions before we land on the final look - the hope is that we can bulk him out a bit more - as he is a raging 8 foot tall demon lord...

I am hopping past 600k we have some good streachgoals, of course the first one will probably be... SDE....

We should find out by tomorrow at the latest...

There should be one more SDE special edition waiting in the wings, but I have doubts there will be any more after that. Coolmini implied there were six in a couple of the posts.

The Guide to Savior has been updated:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-rk/Catalog-Template-1600px.jpg

you may need to CRTL F5 to see the latest version if you have an older version in your cache.

It now includes a rough sketch for the Doctrine Academy Guards - they look like a crystalline golem/ construct

Okay, not my first choice, but interesting.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drazz wrote:
In a related topic, whatever happened to their Tenticle Bento KS?

People made a big deal over nothing, so KS pulled it.

I ended up funding it through their in-house site (it ended at a little north of $50k), and I have to say, their communication afterwards (and, come to think of it, during) has been pretty infuriating.

For example, at the main pledge level, there was a tee added. If you didn't check their facebook page, they never let you know (say, via the email you used to pledge...) that you had to select a size during a 3 week or so window or you get a male large by default.

They ran their in-house campaign in the most bizarre, lackadaisical fashion, and it simply puzzled me. If I were them, I would have been promoting the heck out of it and really getting it to be an about-face for the company. Their posts were few and far between, the details sparse... I'm interested in a few models from this Kickstarter (RK), and I remain very hesitant to do business with them in this fashion. I'm thinking waiting for retail is how I'm handling them in the future.

Thanks Buzzsaw. That's what I am afraid of with this team. They do not appear organized or even invested in getting their product out to the people. I'm very hesitant about how this is all going to end.

I hope, for all the people involved, that is works out, but I can't say I'm confident in any way that this game come out in a timely and organized manner.

 DaveC wrote:
The Guide to Savior has been updated:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/images/kickstarter-rk/Catalog-Template-1600px.jpg

you may need to CRTL F5 to see the latest version if you have an older version in your cache.

It now includes a rough sketch for the Doctrine Academy Guards - they look like a crystalline golem/ construct

Looks kind of hurried there.


Personally, I don't like the way they're going with Doctrine. They should have focused on the precedent set by Kisa, Fiametta, and the Prefects and gone full bore Harem Manga High School. Base their inspiration off of Negima, Tenchi Muyo, Maken Ki, Zero's Familiar, and so on. Instead its going for a more generic Magic Soldiers look.

 Dais wrote:

 Bat Manuel wrote:
Gotta catch 'em seems pretty reasonable...add on some stuff and it's still pretty reasonable.


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 DaveC wrote:

 Bat Manuel wrote:
I looks like you can trade back a 'Savior level' for $135

You can trade out 1 starter faction and a rulebook from Savior for $85 credit

- May trade in 1 Faction Starter for every 2 for $50/$45/$40 in credit for Savior, Double Savior and Got to Get Em All respectively. i.e. Savior will be 1 at $50, Double Savior 2 at $45 and GTGEA 3 at $40 each max.

I'm already in for GTGEA + $100~ so couldn't I just call that another Savior. Sell back 3 books and 2 starters for $205?

If My math is correct it will be an extra $195 in goodies. +50 from savior starter, +40 from ggea starter, +105 from three books

But you get the 2 extra SE minis, which one would presumably be getting at this level, for another $20 value, yes? So really for that extra $100, you've got a $215 value at that point, assuming you want 8 of the LE minis. Correct?

Also, anyone notice the Blowhards are a 2 pack now?

hm.. how long ago was their TB project? Have they delivered on it?

 scipio.au wrote:
hm.. how long ago was their TB project? Have they delivered on it?

Actually, Deke used packing up and sending out those and one of the reasons the rules pdf took so long. The promo models were at gencon as well so they are confirmed to be produced.
I have no idea if anyone has got theirs yet but it seems to be late in the fulfillment cycle.

Okay, I'm satisfied the problems with this kickstarter have been the result of incompetence rather than malice - and, boy, has it been one hell of a ride that almost saw me jumping back off that rollercoaster over the rulebook business - but I'm in for Black Diamond and Cerci Speed Circuit. Pleasantly surprised that the latest faction extras are only $10 each; easier to take a risk on them. I mean, fair enough, I've seen the video review of the current metal Black Dragons and dug up enough greens, renders and such for Cerci to convince me that delicious exoskeleton concept will probably survive the transition to plastic relatively unscathed...but, well, there's always ones that don't like the Sword Sworn and Diamondback/Breaker Team raising their ugly head. The only reason I'm happy paying for such crude, blocky, unfaithful executions as the latter - which was deemed acceptable for one of the three largest models in the game, no less! - is because I can fool myself into thinking I'm getting it for free. Still, if that exoskeleton gets a dismounted pilot as a boost - it's probably going to be something like a helper-bot but one can hope - I think I can risk another tenner on one to convert into an Iguana for Infinity (with the HI occupant fudged by mounting a ballistic shield on the front of the exoskeleton which the dismounted pilot carries when they eject). Plus I'll need to do the trio of lovely N'oh ladies once they're available individually. Oh, and the Agha are nice too and...

Dentry wrote:What's this about alternate poses? My Relic Knights are piloted by twins.

You, sir, are a very naughty boy. I wonder if I can have Malya riding Malya riding the mech...

DaveC wrote:Yes there will be a CKPM

Just to check: with the previous CKPMs, you've been able to add items to your pledges at the same price as they were offered during the kickstarter, yes?

Dentry wrote:The boost tokens look very characterful and don't fill me with Raeg™. I'm curious how big they'll be.

Not very, since they're supposed to fit on the character's base.

Also.... where's Sophia Drake?!

Presumably she's the boost for the Black Dragons. I'm curious as to what the boost for the Blowhards will be; they've only got two small figures currently so their boost must be comparatively larger to compensate. Please be a bomb cart, please be a bomb cart, please be a bomb cart...

DaveC wrote:Battle poses will be alt poses for Calico Kate, Malya and One Shot; i.e. not so pinup for those more seriously inclined. These will be a free inclusion, so you can pick which pilot you'd like to use!

I hope the other three get alternative poses as well so they don't feel left out. Whilst Kisa may not have received complaints about cheesecake - because, hey, the rest of Doctrine - she could still benefit from the option to sit her properly in the saddle, Sebastian from the option to have him striking a more dynamic pose, and Kasaro-to from...well, let's just say that some days a space-faring, soul-devouring towering hunk of ruddy manhood can feel that perhaps his usual blunt instrument of choice isn't quite bringing the panache to the job that his fabulous self deserves.

Makaleth wrote:why would you want another PACE robot...

Shu'up. Robots is sexy... Well, as I mentioned I'm going to model my BD and CSC as a diorama of anime military/police vs. the Hell's Belles biker gang so having a pair of drones on each side rather than just the one adds to the verisimultitude. And I'll probably pick up another pair down the road to convert to Infinity remotes since they're absolutely perfect, right down to the unfeasibly-undersized guns. (If you're not familar with Infinity, remotes are their version of the expensive, points-cheap unit that seems to crop up in every miniatures game, with the added bonus of having a different official model for each variation.)

terrainguy wrote:The Shattered Sword minions are complete. We are looking at potentially doing more poses but they will not differ substantially from what is shown.

That's disappointing, since the sculpted designs of the Sword Sworn look like nothing more than generic fantasy knights who found some tiny guns, but even just fixing the derpy-ballerina poses would turn a lot of people back to the faction.

Chibi One Shot next @$630k



after that

 Dais wrote:

 scipio.au wrote:
hm.. how long ago was their TB project? Have they delivered on it?

Actually, Deke used packing up and sending out those and one of the reasons the rules pdf took so long. The promo models were at gencon as well so they are confirmed to be produced.
I have no idea if anyone has got theirs yet but it seems to be late in the fulfillment cycle.

The word is they will be shipping "soon", so... no, they have not delivered on it. Last communication I am aware of, they haven't received their own shipment, but will be shipping it out once they get it. Time will tell.

Damn, didn't notice DaveC already got it up.

Time for substance!

Bosses as Stretch Goals? Very interested in this. Does Relic Knights have anything in the rules about Bosses? Or is the name of the stretch goals simply referring to the position/potency of the character/creatures that will be unlocked?

Still got my fingers crossed for Sophia Drake, Black Dragon Boss.

Another SDE stretch goal?

Dentry wrote:Still got my fingers crossed for Sophia Drake, Black Dragon Boss.

Should have known Sophia as a boost was too good to be true. Saw the new stretch goals and came here to WTF hard but what you say makes much sense, O Wise One.

Alpharius wrote:Another SDE stretch goal?

As the sole remaining Relic Knight to be chibified this was hardly surprising. And one would think you'd be pleased that these multiple SDE stretch goals had become an SDE (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) One Shot?

 Construct wrote:
And one would think you'd be pleased that these multiple SDE stretch goals had become an SDE (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) One Shot?

Nice.

I'm wondering if they're gonna announce what the targets are to unlock the Boss level stretch goals. They still haven't posted anything other than the SDE unlock at $630k and it leaves me... thinking. There are a couple of scenarios I can see happening.

1. Hit $630k: SDE One Shot unlocked! Bosses unlocked as purchasable extras!
2. Hit $630k: SDE One Shot unlocked! Boss(es) revealed with stretch goals required for unlocks! Boss1 at $650k. Boss2 at $670k. Free!
3. Hit $630k: SDE One Shot unlocked! Boss stretch goal requirements revealed! Purchasable extras once unlocked!
4: Hit $630k: SDE One Shot unlocked! Boss stretch goal requirements revealed along with even more stretch goals!

And more!

I will be letting my "Pledge" ride.

To be polite, and because I am quite frankly tired of the B.S. attached to this one, I am less then impressed with the project and the attitude of the company.

It is easily going to net me fifty or sixty bucks per faction on the low end, so I am cool with that, but the thing could have been better if they would have been taken it a little more seriously. Instead, now Sodapop is quite happy to let the rabid comment monkeys take over communication for them.

I was a fan in the beginning, then as thier rabid catgirl fanbois took over thier project and distracted the communications, I have lost my patience on getting anything other then the base stuff from them.

I was interested in the full set of the SDE guys, the game and the extras- now? I'm even losing patience for even the project as a whole, based on the prissy attitude of thier "Fans", and the creators.


"Sense of entitlement"

This is kinda becoming a textbook case on how to not run a kickstarter..

P.S. We were kidding about One Shot being the last stretch.

Ever thought putting THAT on the emails you send? everybody relying on the emails and does not load the pictures thinks this is OVER.

Also WHY change one shot SD? this is not one shot its some lame ranger with nothing iconic of one shot.

Grot, you do realize that Soda Pop has exactly zero moderation ability on Kickstarter's comments page, right? I think you need to stop gaking on the company because you disagree with their "fanboys."

I hope this illustrates my point, if you want to make a super deformed cute version of an iconic character keep everything that makes it iconic, for me this is not one shot.



none of her key features has been kept they "medievalified" her to fit SDE, this is a pure SDE mini riding the relic knights kickstarter and not one shot.

What next Fritz with a crossbow?

>Page 26
>Still whining about SDE.


Or maybe the blunderbuss is a play on the 'One Shot' thing.

Just a thought.

Honestly the blunderbuss is the thing I am least concerned about.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Grot, you do realize that Soda Pop has exactly zero moderation ability on Kickstarter's comments page, right? I think you need to stop gaking on the company because you disagree with their "fanboys."

And your point is?

My issue is part in parcel of serious questions that I had that others had as well being outshouted by the catboys. The questions asked almost throughout the project were the same. HOW MUCH IS THIS ALL GOING TO COST. Aside from the substandard treatment, I already posted early on my issues.

The conversation still has not been addressed, except by the vocal few know it alls who have taken over the comments section and pretty much speak for the company. Seeing as they have not taken the opposite opinion- SILENCE MEANS PERMISSION.
So in fact, the commenters are speaking for the project.

I wanted a full set of the SDE guys, the extras, and the sets for each faction. As with others, they continued to add in more streaches without adding them into the front page discussion- In the same way as each and every other CMON project had before. With adding them to just the updates, there is NO listing of how much, just "Give the money and be happy that you did. Its a pledge, your not entitled to anything."

Instead, they would rather crank out updates at the last minute and fleece you later for exactly how much you are going to spend.

But as I said, it is a nonconversation to me, anymore.

When I get my basic 270 buck pledge stuff, it is going on the sell forum for 50-70 bucks a starter, depending on how I feel at the time. I get my pledge back, someone who wants to play now can have the stuff, and eveyone is happy- happy, joy-joy.

One Shot is "iconic" now?

Also, I dunno about you, but I have more than 1 set of clothes.Maybe One Shot does too?

Yes, I am sure you do, so do I but we are talking about a character.

When you design a character, then there are some trademark elements that make the said character that character and not somebody else, when the character relies on body proportions and marks then the clothing can be varied because the characters design focus is the characters body itself, when the characters body is unremarkable, then the combination of their clothing is what defines them.

What makes one shot one shot and not yet another pink/ purple haired lady is her tech googgles, the tech bracers, her hotpants, the aviators jacket and the low boots with knee high socks.

The chibi model shown has nothing of these and could as well be somebody else, what is troubling is nobody else god medievalified for SDE, which makes it even more odd.

Admittedly for a sci fi universe most look quite medieval already, but that's another story.

 Grot 6 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Grot, you do realize that Soda Pop has exactly zero moderation ability on Kickstarter's comments page, right? I think you need to stop gaking on the company because you disagree with their "fanboys."

And your point is?

Well, I was gonna ask you not to start another string of shitposts but you obviously can't hold back. Off to the ignore list with you where you belong.

Just say the word 'moot' a lot.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

The chibi model shown has nothing of these and could as well be somebody else, what is troubling is nobody else god medievalified for SDE, which makes it even more odd.

You have to remember that the other chibi illustrations were made before Soda Pop had the idea of giving them SDE stats. They were intended simply as chibi caricatures for the box cover. The One Shot sketch, which is obviously recent, was done with the full knowledge that this was to be a SDE character.

Removed for clearity.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

The chibi model shown has nothing of these and could as well be somebody else, what is troubling is nobody else god medievalified for SDE, which makes it even more odd.

You have to remember that the other chibi illustrations were made before Soda Pop had the idea of giving them SDE stats. They were intended simply as chibi caricatures for the box cover. The One Shot sketch, which is obviously recent, was done with the full knowledge that this was to be a SDE character.

And what does this means, that the others will be properly medievalified to fit SDE? that the one shot will be the odd one of the bunch and the other will remain as per illustrations?

I do not care they have in mind she will be used in SDE, she has none of her defining clothing, she is just a Jäger with goggles.

I think SPM mentioned though I have yet to find the actual comment that none of SDE concepts are finalised they will be modified to fit the SDE setting so some of the more SciFi aspects will be toned down or changed I think the One Shot concept shows more were they intend to go with the designs.

The SDE Candy and Cola is an example of how they did the transition



The only thing I don't really like about the One shot concept is the hat the rest I can live with but I do think it's the weakest of the SDE character concepts

At 623K, so we're finally on the verge of being done with the SDE stuff - and with 38 hours to go, hopefully this means a few more good RK things to come.

I'd like some more details on what exactly the "Boss' miniatures will be.. but I guess that will be announced soon!

The only mention they ever did was Kasaro was not finalized.

Saying we will make SD versions of the relic knights and give them stats to work in SDE is different from "we will create SDE miniatures that have some resemblance to the Relic Knights and were the theme is true sci fi we will make it medieval"

Also showing illustrations and then sending something different, especially without warning can be considered bait and switch.

Now waiting on the bosses, at least we got a minor snippet they are RK related and not SDE...

The communication is really bad on this kickstarter....

Sorry found the comment it's in the text of Update#34 it related to Malya only at that time so I really don't know about the others apologies if I caused any confusion - it can be hard to keep track of everything some times.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/relic-knights/posts/300102

The SDE special edition version of Malya is now available as a Special Edition Choice! This version may change from the final sculpt to match well within the videogame world of SDE.

My bad then, my apologies, I missed that, then the trend setter was set then, but nobody noticed it because we were more concerned in "relic knight related stuff in the Relic Knights Kickstarter please".

On the same note it makes the SD relic knights streach goals look even more unrelated to Relic Knights and more a SDE streachgoal stuck in.

So if they were omitted we would have reached the second boss 4 stretch levels ago.

Oh please must we go on about this. It's getting really fething old.

Yes, we must.

For you its something you are not concerned, so its something that is getting old and boring and an issue that should not be discussed.

For others its an issue and it has to be discussed.

My issue with the SD versions of the relic knights was they "eat up" stretch goals slots making the actual relic knights progress slower and anecdotal they also served as a funding slow down, since every one of the stretch goals related to SDE relic knights took longer to be achieved, I would have no issue whatsoever if they were a 60$ bundle unrelated to stretch goals as an incentive to add more money, after all I plan on getting SDE at Christmas its a fun game.

But because of bad communication I was under the impression that the art they had shown was what they would be, not an unrelated placeholder that bared no resemblance to the actual product, so the medieval "one shot" was a shock for me at least and makes me fear the other models will again have no resemblance to what they are supposed to look.

So apart from you repeating your thoughts over and over and over, what's to discuss? I'm not saying your points aren't valid, but really, what's the point of repeating yourself?

Unlike with GW, there actually are communications channels you can use to let Soda Pop know about your grievances. This is probably not one of them and all you're accomplishing here is aggravating people who come here for RK news.

So what is do discuss in the relic knights kickstarter thread, beyond the news about it and ones opinion on how it is managed?

I let my opinion known in the kickstarter site too.

in other news the one shot stretch goal finally reached, but we have no update about it and the projects frontage has been left unaltered 3 for 3 goals now.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Grot, you do realize that Soda Pop has exactly zero moderation ability on Kickstarter's comments page, right? I think you need to stop gaking on the company because you disagree with their "fanboys."

Or just stop reading comments pages in general. It'll make your internet experience much happier.

Next up Prismatic Candy @$680k



If we hit $680,000, Prismatic Candy unlocks as 2 Special Edition Miniature choices (i.e. she'll take up 2 slots, or $20). But fear not! Even if we don't hit the goal, she'll be available for $30 as an optional purchase.

Candy possesses the ability, "Prismatic Champion", allowing her to lead a cadre fielding models from the factions: Order of the Shattered Sword, Cerci Speed Circuit, and Doctrine

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I like it!

Clarification on rules for her cadre she must select from either Order of the Shattered Sword or Cerci Speed Circuit or Doctrine she can't mix different choices from different factions they must all be from the same faction

Love the Prismatic Candy! I really hope we reach the goal!
In either way, I just want to see if I got things right.
If I want Saviour of the Universe and an optional extra for $10, I must pledge 135$, right? (100 for Saviour, 25 for shipping, and 10 for the extra). And if I should change my mind and want something more, then I must upp my pledge?

So if Prismatic Candy gets available during the final hours and I'm not able to upp my pledge during that time, then I won't be able to get her?

 The CF wrote:
Love the Prismatic Candy! I really hope we reach the goal!
In either way, I just want to see if I got things right.
If I want Saviour of the Universe and an optional extra for $10, I must pledge 135$, right? (100 for Saviour, 25 for shipping, and 10 for the extra). And if I should change my mind and want something more, then I must upp my pledge?

So if Prismatic Candy gets available during the final hours and I'm not able to upp my pledge during that time, then I won't be able to get her?

You should be able to pay for more after it ends.

Oh, wow. Epic multi-faction leader! But where's her Cypher? Or is she not a Knight?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh, wow. Epic multi-faction leader! But where's her Cypher? Or is she not a Knight?

She's their first knight. She's got that little fox "Cola" who drinks soda.

 Bat Manuel wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh, wow. Epic multi-faction leader! But where's her Cypher? Or is she not a Knight?

She's their first knight. She's got that little fox "Cola" who drinks soda.

Oh yeah, I didn't make the connection at first. I guess Cola will be included in some fashion despite it not being shown. And hey, the mecha's cannon looks like a soda bottle!

I've asked about Cola as Candy is know a Relic Knight I'd hope so

"To meet the challenge her cypher, Cola, has at last gifted her with a mighty Relic of her own. Now, soda fueled and sugar powered, Candy races through the galaxy, rallying those of courageous heart and noble deed around her. Darkspace won't know what hit it! "


Soda Pop Miniatures less than a minute ago

Hey there everyone - so, some questions answered:
(1) Candy WILL be general release, we look forward to having her in the rule book
(2) Candy will be mounted on an 80mm base, it may be that some relic knights just need the foot room to spread out, so this might stretch to other kits
(3) As of now, Candy's rules are in a bit of fluxx, but for certain, you will be able to use her as a relic Knight to lead the three faction colors as suggested above - any further mixing, will have to be tested to make sure that noone breaks this wonderful game of ours.
(4) Concept art is not evocative of what the final model will be, this is a VERY early sketch, and I already have our artists working on variations in mecha design and pilot design - but to give you a flavor of what to expect... yes, this is getting close to mark.

UPDATE - Cola is in
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Soda Pop Miniatures 1 minute ago

*Also, Candy of-course, comes with her ever faithful companion - Cola -

I'm liking the new Relic Knight. Hooray for Candy & Cola.

Not liking that it's a $50k jump from the previous stretch goal for a $10 discount on purchasing her.

I was kinda hoping for more free stuff towards the end like the previous CMON Kickstarters.

For $60 i can now buy a) x6 new Hero Figures, b) A complete copy of SDE containing x8 Heros, +20 minons, cards, dice, boards............. you get the idea?

That relic will need a lot of mould tooling

50K seems a pretty small stretch for that (which is why it's pay not free)

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
I was kinda hoping for more free stuff towards the end like the previous CMON Kickstarters.

For $60 i can now buy a) x6 new Hero Figures, b) A complete copy of SDE containing x8 Heros, +20 minons, cards, dice, boards............. you get the idea?

SDE Core game is $100, don't compare retail price with discounts.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
I was kinda hoping for more free stuff towards the end like the previous CMON Kickstarters.

For $60 i can now buy a) x6 new Hero Figures, b) A complete copy of SDE containing x8 Heros, +20 minons, cards, dice, boards............. you get the idea?

SDE Core game is $100, don't compare retail price with discounts.

OK, my mistake. $60 buys you the caverns of Roxor expansion, containing x31 models with all their stat cards. Either way, its not value for money.

You must be new to this "limited edition" stuff.

Hopefully a box with these SDE minis is sold at next year salute? I would buy that for 12 dollas a pop.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

When you design a character, then there are some trademark elements that make the said character that character and not somebody else, when the character relies on body proportions and marks then the clothing can be varied because the characters design focus is the characters body itself, when the characters body is unremarkable, then the combination of their clothing is what defines them.

While I understand what you're saying, the costume elements can vary wildly without issue. For my example, I'll point to Captain America (Film version) that has had 4 rather different costumes through 2 films set across 2 time periods, and had no issue being obviously the same person. For further examples, check out pretty much the entire Marvel and DC universes and all of their elseworlds and alternate universes and what-ifs and so on and so forth. I'd post pics to illustrate, but google can do just as well without spamming this thread with irrelevant pics.

I hope they are willing to have someone watching this one all day for the last 24 hours. The updates need to come fast to keep the donations coming in. Right now it looks like Candy & cola will get their reduced price shortly and that next goal needs to be on display before 10am tomorrow.

Agreed!

The right stretch goals on the last day can see this one easily going over 800K.

And that would be quite the accomplishment, given how oddly inept CMON has been in running this campaign!

$680k hit.


$750k goal (although it's available for $30 anyway if we don't hit it):

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!

He's like the Relic Knight version of Sephiroth!


And just so we're clear, is he a $30 purchase, or a $20 purchase now ($30 later) like Candy Rush?

If we hit $750k, Void Reaper becomes available as a Special Edition Miniatures choice, counting as two choices. But fear not, even if we don't hit this goal, he'll be available as a $30 optional purchase!

seems to be exactly like knight candy.

God damn it... why the.... son of a ... now I need to give a stranger a handy for 20$. Thanks Soda Pop.

I am saving my pennies for the DreamForge Kickstarter, but is there any way that I could pay someone $10 (+ shipping) to tack on one of those Noh Empire Serpent Priestesses? I would LOOOOVVVE one of them...

scipio.au wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

When you design a character, then there are some trademark elements that make the said character that character and not somebody else, when the character relies on body proportions and marks then the clothing can be varied because the characters design focus is the characters body itself, when the characters body is unremarkable, then the combination of their clothing is what defines them.

While I understand what you're saying, the costume elements can vary wildly without issue. For my example, I'll point to Captain America (Film version) that has had 4 rather different costumes through 2 films set across 2 time periods, and had no issue being obviously the same person. For further examples, check out pretty much the entire Marvel and DC universes and all of their elseworlds and alternate universes and what-ifs and so on and so forth. I'd post pics to illustrate, but google can do just as well without spamming this thread with irrelevant pics.

Yes but on all these variants the basic, iconic shape has been preserved.

Alpharius wrote:Agreed!

The right stretch goals on the last day can see this one easily going over 800K.

And that would be quite the accomplishment, given how oddly inept CMON has been in running this campaign!

I agree, still I am quite disappointed we didn't get Drake, either as a pay option or as an unlock.

H.B.M.C. wrote:He's like the Relic Knight version of Sephiroth!


And just so we're clear, is he a $30 purchase, or a $20 purchase now ($30 later) like Candy Rush?

Indeed the first thing that came to my mind, can't say I am a fan of the idea, can't say I do not like it either, feeling quite neutral towards it.

Omg, I was going to put aside for the candy mech but did that get blown out the water!

I don't know I left aside for both bosses, but the final one eventually left me out cold, I guess I win a scale back of 30$

I put in for both. Let's see if they've got any more stretch goals.

I upped mine to Gotta Get them all now... even left the nice position of the early bird double savior!

These are just epic.

Daniel Henry wrote:Im not going to lie. That was a let down. That miniature is not exciting at all. Flop ending to a great kickstarter.

Daniel Henry wrote:And the gap in price unlocks between the 1st Boss and 2nd seems too large. Almost like theyre trying to make it too hard to reach so they don't have to add extra unlocks

I think this will be the case moving forward from CMON.

They've learned a lot from what now have to be considered 3 successful Kickstarters.

These were games that, more likely than not, were going to be released anyway - this was a good way to generate excitement and pre-orders.

The trick for them now is to maximize excitement and pledges while giving away the least amount of stuff overall - especially at the end of a campaign, when expectations have been met and in all likelihood, exceeded!

I think in the future we'll see more campaigns like this and fewer like Zombicide and Sedition Wars.

At least from CMON.

To be fair, after their initial stumbling out of the blocks, this one ended up finishing with a very decent amount of 'extras' for all interested parties.

I do not think we got much extras, neither free nor to pay for, especially for the skirmish game they are supposedly getting out we got duplicates of things that are not going to be used.

I would also challenge how "successful" the kickstarter was, it shook my faith an many mores faith on CMON their clarity on what you get from kickstarter and their commitment to it.

They changed or "clarified" the swaps the last days they SDE (for good or evil) brought a big schism in the community that was not addressed and at least personally left me with a bad unprofessional impression for CMON and Sodapop, leaving bits of updates out of emails, crucially one that clarifies they were joking about this been the final stretch goal, even jokingly complaining (I hope at least) about having to add the units they included for buy i the book (for a skirmish character game the units on the DPF are really few I am expecting at least double per faction) and their communications only started after the complains about it not existing went for days.

For me at least the next one will be a wait and see until getting close to the end, because after the first two this was really bad.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
... crucially one that clarifies they were joking about this been the final stretch goal...

Oh come on! Are you for real? Is that a real complaint? That they made a joke?

Jesus...

Each to their own,
I have upped and am a little more understanding than most. Just because we want comms in minutes or hours doesn't mean we cannot wait a little longer.

I doubt I will up my pledge anymore... if anything else it will be in the pledge manager.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
... crucially one that clarifies they were joking about this been the final stretch goal...

Oh come on! Are you for real? Is that a real complaint? That they made a joke?

Jesus...

Yes, I am for real, I get at work a streachgoal update saying this is it and for a few hours I was wondering why, no time to check on the kickstarter they were joking and people on the project superficially may had the impression this is it until the next update kicked in.

And no I am not complaining they made a joke, I am complaining that the email notification send was not clarifying it was a joke as the kickstarter update did, it may be my lack of humor, but when I read it at work on my phone without pics, I got the impression that's it they wrap it up.

Tbh I think they shot themselves in the foot with the swap/buy back system. This has caused more confusion and griping than pretty much anything else. if they hadn't offered this I don't think it would have made a difference to the number of backers to any appreciable degree.

I backed to get two factions regardless of swapping or not, a second facton let's me get friends into this.

Also thanks to the boss being unlocked I can swap out the two SDE limited Ed miniatures (something else people griped about) for a cool useable mini for the game.

Hey i picked up that earlybird double.savior thanks.

 Makaleth wrote:

I doubt I will up my pledge anymore... if anything else it will be in the pledge manager.

So there is going to be a CKPM for relic knights and will can add stuff later via it just like sedition wars right? Out of question does it matter which level you pleage at to have access to the CKMP, I mean does it have to be Saviour and above or can you pleage say Mercenary Charter and still use it?

 Rolt wrote:

 Makaleth wrote:

I doubt I will up my pledge anymore... if anything else it will be in the pledge manager.

So there is going to be a CKPM for relic knights and will can add stuff later via it just like sedition wars right? Out of question does it matter which level you pleage at to have access to the CKMP, I mean does it have to be Saviour and above or can you pleage say Mercenary Charter and still use it?

That is how CMON manages thier KS programs. It will be for all the pledges.

Congratz to them on the funding.
Considering thier treatement of it, they pulled it off well enough. Could have been better, but 800G's isn't chicken feed.

I just backed at the "get them all" level plus a little more for some extras.

Excellent

that's what we like to hear!

onwards to Prismatic fallen angel boss

Do you think they will put a stretch goal after this one?

Or at least humor as with a Sophia Drake as purchasable option?

Just a feeling here, but I don't think so.

It should have been a 'freebie' option to 750K, and then a couple of cool (like Sophia!) "if we get to (x) buy (y)" options to really push it up past 800K.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Do you think they will put a stretch goal after this one?

Or at least humor as with a Sophia Drake as purchasable option?

I can't see a kickstarter operating without a stretch goal of some kind. If they want to raise more money they can't just let it end eight hours early. They might try some of those time-sensitive goals that reaper did on their last day instead of normal stretch goals, but I don't know if cmon is watching it close enough to make that work. Sophia would be an amazing stretch goal though; and I for one would not mind them giving away one more model per faction as a freebie for such a successful campaign. It isn't quite sedition wars or bones, but it might match zombiecide, which is impressive to me.

Everybody knows a good game has a little postgame content after the last boss right?

I Hope so, but I'm happy either way

Sophia & Mamaro-To would be a great bonus as options or free if they do turn up

or who knows something we've never even seen again ?

plenty of time, LOL

Well, 750k is done as of 20 minutes or so ago. So at the least they are taking their sweet time with another goal.

I was looking to get all the limited stuff 6 SDE explore figures, all the cosplay figures, both boss figures and a cola plushie. What would be the best way to do that for the least money? Would be fine with a single faction and one rule book assuming you can trade those in.

Whole thing is pretty confusing.

Can you trade in extra faction starters if you get a double savior or catch em all? IF so where does it say this? All I'm seeing is the trade in extra rule books for $35.

savior may trade up to 1 for 50$
2x Savior may trade up to 2 for 45 each
GGTA may trade up to 3 for 40 each

please be advised by trading them you loose all the extra related to them and the unlocked boosters come as one per two starters.

And yes they take their sweet time, as if they abandoned it.

 Avariel wrote:
I was looking to get all the limited stuff 6 SDE explore figures, all the cosplay figures, both boss figures and a cola plushie. What would be the best way to do that for the least money? Would be fine with a single faction and one rule book assuming you can trade those in.

Whole thing is pretty confusing.

Can you trade in faction starters if you get a double savior or catch em all? All I'm seeing is the trade in extra rule books for $35.

Mercenary charter for $50 traded in for 5 SDEs then 1 SDE $10 7 cosplays $70 2 bosses $40 plus plushie $30 = $200
or
Savior for $100 trade 1 faction for $50 credit you get 2 SE minis free so pay for 4 SDE $40, 7 Cosplay $70 2 bosses $40 plus plushie $30 = $230

the second option gets you a rulebook and a starter faction for an extra $30

You can trade in 1 starter from Savior for $50, up to 2 from Double Savior for $45 each and up to 3 from GGEA for $40 each. You lose a 1 set of boost tokens if you trade in 1 or 2 factions, 2 sets if you trade in 3 or 4 and 3 sets if you trade in 5 or 6.

If I buy Triple Savior and another Savior and want to trade off 3 factions, I get $130, right?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If I buy Triple Savior and another Savior and want to trade off 3 factions, I get $130, right?

If you put in $370 for both ggta and savior it should be $130 trade for three factions. Yes.

SPM-Deke has just shown up and said hello

let the speculation begin!

They don't plan to let it ride for 8 hours without another goal or communique do they? That's a lot of time to just sit on our hands.

You wouldn't think so, but if they feel they've achieved what they set out to do... maybe?

Remember, Sodapop isn't exactly awesome at the whole communication thing - the whole Tentacle Bento T-Shirt Fiasco springs to mind...

Curious now, but what went wrong with the t-shirts?

 Alpharius wrote:
You wouldn't think so, but if they feel they've achieved what they set out to do... maybe?

Remember, Sodapop isn't exactly awesome at the whole communication thing - the whole Tentacle Bento T-Shirt Fiasco springs to mind...

But but... I mean we haven't gotten the chance to...

They basically never sent e-mails out to anyone who ordered one. So, I'm not sure how anyone was every supposed to actually, you know, state what they wanted!

So, by default, anyone who ordered one will now be getting an Adult Male Large size...

Damn, that's a gakky move! Adult Male Large.. that would be a dress for me!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If I buy Triple Savior and another Savior and want to trade off 3 factions, I get $130, right?

That has been the issue for me the whole time. I asked way in the beginning about this price crap, and it still continues till the last second.

I ended up deciding to K.I.S.S. seeing as I personally see a trainwreck after the fit hits the shan when the KS ends...


270 and let it ride.

Those models do look pretty cool, though.

I thought SPM_Deke checking in might lead to something but

Orlando_the_Technicoloured just now

Do be do be do

just sitting here

doing a whole lot of nothing

watching numbers go up

be more fun if we had a target

even a silly one, or a PDF, or a paperclip from the soda pop desk, whatever

I mean what I'm getting is great and all

but it feels a little aniticlimatic

Seriously this is disappointing.

This is not bad communication, this is atrocious communication.

Well the last update did say it was the final one

but even so it's a bit poor to say the least

Update#50

Wow, that was quick! The Void Reaper is now available as a Special Edition Miniatures choice (counts as 2) or for $20!

Give us a sec... updating.


SPM_Deke 1 minute ago

Update coming promise.


There's more to come yet....

Finally and thankfully.

Did the momentum really got them so off guard?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Finally and thankfully.

Did the momentum really got them so off guard?

Yes.

Ok Kickstarter land, in our last seven hours, so let's make this a real stretch.



Void Herald (Void Unique) Before Darkspace descends Harbonath's coming is proclaimed by the Void Herald. Shrouded in dark energy, she is as deadly as she is beautiful. Sowing the seeds of terror among the populace she ensures that when the harvest begins the Reaper will exact a brutal tally.



Cordelia (Prismatic Unique)
When the Chee Awakening occurred the majority of the Cordelia Clean units happily continued in the maid roles they had originally been purchased for. Such was not the case of service #448V97Z4. No, she had had quite enough of cleaning and was ready to pursue a life outside of the rundown manor and eight squalling children she had been forced to tend to. Fortunately she was lucky enough to encounter Candy early in her travels. Cordelia never knew that life could be so sweet.

These Uniques may be used by the appropriate colored Faction (the Prismatic colors, or the Void colors respectively).

If we hit $850k, these two amazing models will be available together for three Special Edition Choices! If we don't they'll be available each at $20.



Check out the digital sculpts of the Void Herald, and the video too!

An important PS has also appeared

P.S.

Every faction has a number of units and models that are not part of the kickstarter. MamaroTo and Sophia Drake were included in the preview rules as a "sneak peak" of units that will be revealed when the book is launched. We need to have a few surprises in store for everyone!



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And I love the goal

they shall be mine stretch or not

Update the stretch is now $830k - $850k was a mistake



RK has now passed Zombicide's total

Ok, at least the wait for the update makes sense now. They had to take time to make and upload a video of the 3d render.
I wish they had planned ahead on that, but at least there was a reason it was so slow.

The two characters look very nice and I like how more prismatic and void models are being introduced.

So if we generate another 100k we get to spend another $30, or if not we get to spend $40 more?

Disappointed about no Sophia, but I do not lie these are nice.

 Alpharius wrote:
So if we generate another 100k we get to spend another $30, or if not we get to spend $40 more?

No, no, no. That would be ludicrous.

We need to generate an additional $80k to spend $30 instead of $40. Totally different.

Nice models, though. Would make an amazing Seraphim or Saint for SoB.

I think the pictures are wrong, like they have been the whole campaign...they were always lower than the announced stretch goals.

Onward to 850k and another $30 gone!

 Alpharius wrote:
So if we generate another 100k we get to spend another $30, or if not we get to spend $40 more?

Almost if the stretchgoal is reached they will be for 3 special edition, so somebody may get them for free (don't ask me who has not already filled their free SE slots) the more logical think is that indeed they will be 20 each (so choice to have only one of them).

If there is anyone who is getting a set and can purchase this additional fig for me, I'll make it worth your while! I can pay in advance...



I REALLY want one of these for my new CSM chapter - my theme is based on snakes/serpents! (Alpha Legion offshoot).

Please PM me if you're a pledger who can help me out!

Thanks Dakka!

-C6

 Alpharius wrote:
I think the pictures are wrong, like they have been the whole campaign...they were always lower than the announced stretch goals.

Onward to 850k and another $30 gone!

Personally I added 40$ I do not believe we will achieve this and if we do I will get to spend it on something more black dragons or a priestess or something.

At least we now know that Sophia will be released sooner or later!

Question: If we hit the stretch, can I buy one of them for $15 or am I required to get both for $30? It was kinda vague in the update.

Looks like the 850K text was the mistake this time - it IS 830K for us to get a discount on these two figures - nice!

Thank goodness they're 3 Ltd. Ed choices for the pair, not each.

I sort of feel like 830k is too low for the pace things are going today. We may make their final stretch not quite as final yet again.

 Dais wrote:
I sort of feel like 830k is too low for the pace things are going today. We make their final stretch not quite as final yet again.

It's at about $800k now and that makes me fairly confident we can hit the target. Maybe they'll throw in some surprise freebie for anything after that as a thank you to everyone. /wishful thinking

I agree!

There was 77K pledged yesterday, and over 110K today already!

Question: If I only wanted the Serpent Priestess, and Void Herald, how would I go about doing that?

Would it be minimum pledge ($10 for a Lithograph), then $10 for the Snake lady, then... uh, $30 for Void Herald? So just pick "Doing My Part!" ($10) level and put in for $50?

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Question: If I only wanted the Serpent Priestess, and Void Herald, how would I go about doing that?

Would it be minimum pledge ($10 for a Lithograph), then $10 for the Snake lady, then... uh, $30 for Void Herald? So just pick "Doing My Part!" ($10) level and put in for $50?

You can only purchase items at a minimum pledge of $50 (Mercenary level). At that level you get a Faction Starter which you can forfeit for $50 credit and then add any other goodies you want for the appropriate prices.

 DaveC wrote:

 Avariel wrote:
I was looking to get all the limited stuff 6 SDE explore figures, all the cosplay figures, both boss figures and a cola plushie. What would be the best way to do that for the least money? Would be fine with a single faction and one rule book assuming you can trade those in.

Whole thing is pretty confusing.

Can you trade in faction starters if you get a double savior or catch em all? All I'm seeing is the trade in extra rule books for $35.

Mercenary charter for $50 traded in for 5 SDEs then 1 SDE $10 7 cosplays $70 2 bosses $40 plus plushie $30 = $200
or
Savior for $100 trade 1 faction for $50 credit you get 2 SE minis free so pay for 4 SDE $40, 7 Cosplay $70 2 bosses $40 plus plushie $30 = $230

the second option gets you a rulebook and a starter faction for an extra $30

You can trade in 1 starter from Savior for $50, up to 2 from Double Savior for $45 each and up to 3 from GGEA for $40 each. You lose a 1 set of boost tokens if you trade in 1 or 2 factions, 2 sets if you trade in 3 or 4 and 3 sets if you trade in 5 or 6.

Thank you DaveC

Pledge the $230

Looks like they have additional limited figures. Cordellia and the Void herald.

Also are Tycho and Gabe from Penny Arcade limited to Kickstarter and cons too?

I hope you can add more later as you could with Sedition Wars.

Minis look really awesome. Hopefully the game is nice. Extra Super Dungeon Explorer heros is also awesome as I play that quite a bit with my board game group.

$355 on this.
My credit card is in pure agony. P.S., if anyone wants to buy some Warhammer armies... >.>

 Avariel wrote:
Also are Tycho and Gabe from Penny Arcade limited to Kickstarter and cons too?

Yes they are.

Dentry wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Question: If I only wanted the Serpent Priestess, and Void Herald, how would I go about doing that?

Would it be minimum pledge ($10 for a Lithograph), then $10 for the Snake lady, then... uh, $30 for Void Herald? So just pick "Doing My Part!" ($10) level and put in for $50?

You can only purchase items at a minimum pledge of $50 (Mercenary level). At that level you get a Faction Starter which you can forfeit for $50 credit and then add any other goodies you want for the appropriate prices.

Huh, interesting. Ends up at $50 either hey it seems. Thanks for the tip!

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