Frozen Ocean wrote:
[...]As for the stats, more salt than the Black Sea.[...]

Don't you mean the dead sea?

I don't believe these rumours either. It sounds incoherent, I'll be waiting at least a week more before I believe anyone has seen the codex.

Tyranids - the most trolled codex rumors of 2013.

I've just got to remind myself that it's not much longer now, just coast until release day...

Yeah I'm pretty much at the point where I'm only opening this thread for the laughs and to find out when the crappy teaser trailer will be out.

I'll believe rumours when I have the codex in hand.

well, the new WD will be up for download this afternoon, so we will have some concrete info before the day is done...
it's gonna be good...
nerd-tastic Friday!!!

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:
well, the new WD will be up for download this afternoon, so we will have some concrete info before the day is done...
it's gonna be good...
nerd-tastic Friday!!!

cheers
jah

Isn't white dwarf due on the 4th?

Eldercaveman wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
well, the new WD will be up for download this afternoon, so we will have some concrete info before the day is done...
it's gonna be good...
nerd-tastic Friday!!!

cheers
jah

Isn't white dwarf due on the 4th?

It is. For some reason the issue will not be released on the last Saturday of the month like usual.

We should see a teaser trailer tomorrow or next week, pre orders and white dwarf on the 4th, and nid codices in stores on the 11th.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
well, the new WD will be up for download this afternoon, so we will have some concrete info before the day is done...
it's gonna be good...
nerd-tastic Friday!!!

cheers
jah

Isn't white dwarf due on the 4th?

It is. For some reason the issue will not be released on the last Saturday of the month like usual.

We should see a teaser trailer tomorrow or next week, pre orders and white dwarf on the 4th, and nid codices in stores on the 11th.

I imagine it has something to do with Christmas and the fact that they'd have to ship the magazines at the start of the month in order to get them to the shops before this weekend.

 jah-joshua wrote:
well, the new WD will be up for download this afternoon, so we will have some concrete info before the day is done...
it's gonna be good...
nerd-tastic Friday!!!

cheers
jah

WD won't be out until next week.


Edit: Turbo Ninja'd

What kind of info will be in WD? A vague overview of all models so we can decide what to pre order. Or a full bit on certain models?

Basically all the solid information we have gotten so far has come from that WD. I wouldn't expect any mayor revelations to come from it when it's officially released. We probably won't get any new stuff until the codex is leaked or released. Either way, not too long a wait anymore.

James811 wrote:
What kind of info will be in WD? A vague overview of all models so we can decide what to pre order. Or a full bit on certain models?

We've already gotten 95% of the tyranid info from the new WD from that Enobai guy, he got his copy, (or a peak at it) like 2 weeks ago.

Don't expect any new info until Jan 8 or 9 when people get their pre-ordered copies early.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
This has been pretty wrong for the last few major releases. GW have been pretty conservative with new prices in Australia, while ballooning prices in the US and UK. It's almost as if they were using Australia as the price testbed, and once they saw price elasticity go to gak in Australia, they knew they hit their limit and are now working on raising other countries to match our prices. It also makes it less useful for us to order from overseas - the discount from our strong dollar is offset by those countries having equally ridiculous pricing.

My thoughts exactly. The release-based price increases have had the least impact on us because everyone else seems to be catching us, rather than blanket X% rises for each release worldwide.

"Exocrine":
Heavy Support unit

3 S10 ap3 shoots or 1 S10 ap2 large blast ordnance

WS 4 BS 3 S 8(or 9, he wasn't sure) W 5 I 4 A 3 LD 8 sv 3+

Here's a big shooty creature that does nothing but shoot all day, dreams about shooting when it isn't shooting, can only ever talk about shooting at parties (even HTH parties - it still talks about shooting), talks about shooting in its sleep, joined the Imperial equivalent to the NRA, and was genetically engineered and created by a massive galaxy-spanning intellect to do pretty much nothing beyond shoot at things.

And it has BS3.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...

lol.... that's what OA is for

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
This has been pretty wrong for the last few major releases. GW have been pretty conservative with new prices in Australia, while ballooning prices in the US and UK. It's almost as if they were using Australia as the price testbed, and once they saw price elasticity go to gak in Australia, they knew they hit their limit and are now working on raising other countries to match our prices. It also makes it less useful for us to order from overseas - the discount from our strong dollar is offset by those countries having equally ridiculous pricing.

My thoughts exactly. The release-based price increases have had the least impact on us because everyone else seems to be catching us, rather than blanket X% rises for each release worldwide.

"Exocrine":
Heavy Support unit

3 S10 ap3 shoots or 1 S10 ap2 large blast ordnance

WS 4 BS 3 S 8(or 9, he wasn't sure) W 5 I 4 A 3 LD 8 sv 3+

Here's a big shooty creature that does nothing but shoot all day, dreams about shooting when it isn't shooting, can only ever talk about shooting at parties (even HTH parties - it still talks about shooting), talks about shooting in its sleep, joined the Imperial equivalent to the NRA, and was genetically engineered and created by a massive galaxy-spanning intellect to do pretty much nothing beyond shoot at things.

And it has BS3.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...

It fires 3 S10 AP 3 shots or 1 S10 AP2 large blast.

I think BS3 is fine

Now, the question is, is it barrage? Can it nuke things from behind cover? Because that would be pretty metal. Also super annoying, since I don't play nids, and my AV13 vehicles will be shot to hell by that things >.<

well, bugger...
i was looking forward to downloading the new issue this evening...
guess i'll have to wait a week...

thanks for the heads-up, guys...

cheers
jah

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Tyranids - the most trolled codex rumors of 2013.

Yep, it's going to be armageddon on the rumor tracker when I finally get a copy of the codex.

 pretre wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Tyranids - the most trolled codex rumors of 2013.

Yep, it's going to be armageddon on the rumor tracker when I finally get a copy of the codex.

What do you mean?

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Tyranids - the most trolled codex rumors of 2013.

Yep, it's going to be armageddon on the rumor tracker when I finally get a copy of the codex.

What do you mean?

He updates the rumor tracker...and about 95% of the tyranid rumors contradict other rumors, therefore 95% of the are going to be false. It's going to be false rumors EVERYWHERE.

 Carnage43 wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Tyranids - the most trolled codex rumors of 2013.

Yep, it's going to be armageddon on the rumor tracker when I finally get a copy of the codex.

What do you mean?

He updates the rumor tracker...and about 95% of the tyranid rumors contradict other rumors, therefore 95% of the are going to be false. It's going to be false rumors EVERYWHERE.

I see... Well, we can always just take the liars and dip them in Spicy BBQ and Ranch sauce and have us some dinner. I believe that is the proper 'Nid thing to do.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 Carnage43 wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Tyranids - the most trolled codex rumors of 2013.

Yep, it's going to be armageddon on the rumor tracker when I finally get a copy of the codex.

What do you mean?

He updates the rumor tracker...and about 95% of the tyranid rumors contradict other rumors, therefore 95% of the are going to be false. It's going to be false rumors EVERYWHERE.

I see... Well, we can always just take the liars and dip them in Spicy BBQ and Ranch sauce and have us some dinner. I believe that is the proper 'Nid thing to do.

... I'll take my false rumor mongers in sweet chilli if that's cool?

I really like the idea of a nids expansion for stealth/recon force

There's never been a codex more talked about, and yet with so little in the way of real/accurate information so close to release in history. It's kind of ridiculous.

 tomball0706 wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 Carnage43 wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Tyranids - the most trolled codex rumors of 2013.

Yep, it's going to be armageddon on the rumor tracker when I finally get a copy of the codex.

What do you mean?

He updates the rumor tracker...and about 95% of the tyranid rumors contradict other rumors, therefore 95% of the are going to be false. It's going to be false rumors EVERYWHERE.

I see... Well, we can always just take the liars and dip them in Spicy BBQ and Ranch sauce and have us some dinner. I believe that is the proper 'Nid thing to do.

... I'll take my false rumor mongers in sweet chilli if that's cool?

I'll go with rumor monger sushi. I like 'em raw.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Here's a big shooty creature that does nothing but shoot all day, dreams about shooting when it isn't shooting, can only ever talk about shooting at parties (even HTH parties - it still talks about shooting), talks about shooting in its sleep, joined the Imperial equivalent to the NRA, and was genetically engineered and created by a massive galaxy-spanning intellect to do pretty much nothing beyond shoot at things.

And it has BS3.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...

And yet the Venomthrope who dream of eating while eating, and dreams of eating while visiting the toilet, has an impressive BS4.

 pretre wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Tyranids - the most trolled codex rumors of 2013.

Yep, it's going to be armageddon on the rumor tracker when I finally get a copy of the codex.

I certainly don't envy you the task, Pretre....

We still have nothing concrete on what the Biomorphs do, how Synapse and Shadow now function, what Warlord Traits equivalents there are (for sure), how the psychic stuff has changed, points costs for a lot of units...

I have to give GW props for keeping this pretty tight, while also tipping the cap to those who got the White Dwarf early and shared what info they could with us.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

"Exocrine":
Heavy Support unit

3 S10 ap3 shoots or 1 S10 ap2 large blast ordnance

WS 4 BS 3 S 8(or 9, he wasn't sure) W 5 I 4 A 3 LD 8 sv 3+

Here's a big shooty creature that does nothing but shoot all day, dreams about shooting when it isn't shooting, can only ever talk about shooting at parties (even HTH parties - it still talks about shooting), talks about shooting in its sleep, joined the Imperial equivalent to the NRA, and was genetically engineered and created by a massive galaxy-spanning intellect to do pretty much nothing beyond shoot at things.

And it has BS3.

Well, you can say the same exact thing about Lootas except with BS2. But alas there is a difference between shooting things and expecting the shots to hit home.

T -34 minutes until release.

I thought it wouldn't be available tonight. Not till the 4th

Brutal Viking wrote:
I thought it wouldn't be available tonight. Not till the 4th

We're probably getting the teaser today though...

I figure the teaser will be Mon, Tues, or Wed next week. Could be wrong, though.

If there is a teaser would someone please link it?

I'm sure someone will link it as soon as it gets posted.

DO IT TO IT wrote:
I figure the teaser will be Mon, Tues, or Wed next week. Could be wrong, though.

Its usually the Saturday before release, but the holidays screws them up sometimes, so it might be next week. If nothing shows up tomorrow then that is most likely the case.

Brutal Viking wrote:
If there is a teaser would someone please link it?

I'm sure it'll be here ASAP.

Bear in mind that WD isn't out until the 4th of Jan due to the holidays.

 Hansisaf wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
[...]As for the stats, more salt than the Black Sea.[...]

Don't you mean the dead sea?

The Dead Sea is just very salty. The Black Sea has that cool salinity cycle thing going on. I was trying to imply a salt cycle of rumours because they vary in salinity. I think it was supposed to be a bad geography joke.

 Ravenous D wrote:

DO IT TO IT wrote:
I figure the teaser will be Mon, Tues, or Wed next week. Could be wrong, though.

Its usually the Saturday before release, but the holidays screws them up sometimes, so it might be next week. If nothing shows up tomorrow then that is most likely the case.

I don't recall a teaser ever being on a weekend. Always a Monday or Tuesday the latest.

Escalation teaser was on a Saturday. But, that's irrelevant as today's post was an ad for more holiday bundles.

So let's wait until Monday now....

 reds8n wrote:

Brutal Viking wrote:
If there is a teaser would someone please link it?

I'm sure it'll be here ASAP.

Bear in mind that WD isn't out until the 4th of Jan due to the holidays.

Which puts the nid dex a week behind as well more then likely.


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Davor wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

DO IT TO IT wrote:
I figure the teaser will be Mon, Tues, or Wed next week. Could be wrong, though.

Its usually the Saturday before release, but the holidays screws them up sometimes, so it might be next week. If nothing shows up tomorrow then that is most likely the case.

I don't recall a teaser ever being on a weekend. Always a Monday or Tuesday the latest.

I meant the pre orders, not the little video thingy that shouldn't exist and that time making it should be used on FAQs instead. Bitter, bitter, bitter.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:


The Dead Sea is just very salty. The Black Sea has that cool salinity cycle thing going on. I was trying to imply a salt cycle of rumours because they vary in salinity. I think it was supposed to be a bad geography joke.

You get an A for effort.

As Long as Swarmlord is still a BAMF I'm fine with whatever they do.

Stormbreed wrote:
As Long as Swarmlord is still a BAMF I'm fine with whatever they do.

He will still rock, but he's not going to make or break the codex. I want to see Tyranid players capable of relying on the codex and not the BRB psychic powers to play a competitive game.

What matters is that we have lots of viable options, not just 1 or 2. Tyranids have been mono-build for about 9 years running.

I want to see the end of Tervigon spam. It's the most boring tactic I can ever imagine.

My tervigon is now an acid spray tyrannofex. Hopefully the pts drop on the fex so it's more viable.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Escalation teaser was on a Saturday. But, that's irrelevant as today's post was an ad for more holiday bundles.

So let's wait until Monday now....

Stand corrected. Thank you.

 brassangel wrote:

Stormbreed wrote:
As Long as Swarmlord is still a BAMF I'm fine with whatever they do.

He will still rock, but he's not going to make or break the codex. I want to see Tyranid players capable of relying on the codex and not the BRB psychic powers to play a competitive game.

What matters is that we have lots of viable options, not just 1 or 2. Tyranids have been mono-build for about 9 years running.

What do you mean? Since the 2010 5e codex, the only competitive build I have ever seen is two Tervigons, two flyrants, two units of termagaunts to make the Tervigons troops, and then as many Hive Guard and/or Zoantrhopes as you need to fill out the rest of the points.

What was the mono-build back in 4e?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

Stormbreed wrote:
As Long as Swarmlord is still a BAMF I'm fine with whatever they do.

He will still rock, but he's not going to make or break the codex. I want to see Tyranid players capable of relying on the codex and not the BRB psychic powers to play a competitive game.

What matters is that we have lots of viable options, not just 1 or 2. Tyranids have been mono-build for about 9 years running.

What do you mean? Since the 2010 5e codex, the only competitive build I have ever seen is two Tervigons, two flyrants, two units of termagaunts to make the Tervigons troops, and then as many Hive Guard and/or Zoantrhopes as you need to fill out the rest of the points.

What was the mono-build back in 4e?

6 Carnifexes + toys basically.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
What was the mono-build back in 4e?

1 Flyrant, 1 Hive Tyrant, 3x Dakkafexes. 3x Sniperfexes. Drop carnifexes to fit the points value. Add troops because you have to.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:


What was the mono-build back in 4e?

There were two builds in 4e/4e. Psychic Choir and Fex rush. Psychic Choir pretty much reduced enemy Ld by 5 so any moral or pinning check, and there were a lot, were failed. It wasn't quite as good as Fex Rush but it won me a lot of games.

4e/5e had one build, Fex Rush. The Choir was knocked out because of fearless. Nothing had any staying power in CC.

5e/5e had one build, Tervigons with or without Stealers. With Stealers was pretty vicious as long as you didn't have a bad CC round.

5e/6e has one build, Tervigons.


Future Codex:
6e/6e should have 2 builds for the codex and one build for each codex expansion. So 5 total.

In 4th/4th, Stealer Shock also worked well, and semi-Nidzilla (6ish MCs plus gribblies) were also solid.

Strange, my comp build has no tervigons. People rely on them far too much.

Shingen wrote:
comp build

We're talking about 40k here, right? As in Warhammer 40,000?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

Stormbreed wrote:
As Long as Swarmlord is still a BAMF I'm fine with whatever they do.

He will still rock, but he's not going to make or break the codex. I want to see Tyranid players capable of relying on the codex and not the BRB psychic powers to play a competitive game.

What matters is that we have lots of viable options, not just 1 or 2. Tyranids have been mono-build for about 9 years running.

What do you mean? Since the 2010 5e codex, the only competitive build I have ever seen is two Tervigons, two flyrants, two units of termagaunts to make the Tervigons troops, and then as many Hive Guard and/or Zoantrhopes as you need to fill out the rest of the points.

What was the mono-build back in 4e?

You are right about the current build.

In 4th edition it was 5-6 Carnifex, 2 Hive Tyrants, and the rest literally didn't matter. Most were armed with 2x twin-linked Devourers, and the occasional Barbed Strangler. The only variance was when people tossed in Zoanthropes to do the Nuclear Choir. Even then, it was still a bunch of Carnifexes with Barbed Stranglers for pinning. Aux on The Tyranid Hive was one of the major players at the time and pushed the list hard. He all but abandoned Tyranids in 5th edition because they became virtually unplayable in the competitive scene.

People tried other things back then (like 'Stealer Shock), just as they try other things now. But the (few) lists finishing well in major tournaments were all the same when it came to Tyranids in 4th and 5th.

Looking forward to putting new nids to the test on my Christmas zone mortalis board.

I'm 35 and nids still scare the crap outta me, in a good way you understand!

Shingen wrote:Strange, my comp build has no tervigons. People rely on them far too much.

Absolutionis wrote:

Shingen wrote:
comp build

We're talking about 40k here, right? As in Warhammer 40,000?

I think he's talking about this Space Hulk armylist.

From the Tyranid Hive. http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/44428/tyranid-rumours-dec-29?page=107

Limited edition covers?



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Davor wrote:
From the Tyranid Hive. http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/44428/tyranid-rumours-dec-29?page=107

Limited edition covers?



http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/attachment/download/1196" border="0" />

1. 6 edits?
2. Pics aren't working for me, so I'l have to use the links.

I tried editing, 3 or 4 times, I finally gave up and gave the link. Only 2 pics show up for me. Have no idea what went wrong.

They look cool but could just be photoshops of existing artwork.

Also if this character has a codex why hasn't he come out of the woodwork posting stats and rules? Doesn't he know the interwebz needs early data on every GW release???? sheesh...

Endobai over on Warseer has confirmed they are real.

Reused artwork sent through a color filter and sold as a $50 dust jacket? Sounds believable.

I first saw them up at 4chan-

No more info until the codex releases i guess? I'd love just a bit more to keep my hopes up before they come crashing down with the new release =P

 Absolutionis wrote:
Reused artwork sent through a color filter and sold as a $50 dust jacket? Sounds believable.

A fool and his money, etc. etc. etc.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
Reused artwork sent through a color filter and sold as a $50 dust jacket? Sounds believable.

A fool and his money, etc. etc. etc.

HEY! That extra £20 for a black and white re-colour dust jacket of the exact same image is totally worth it! Plus, you get a commemorative letter, informing you of how much of a fo-loyal fan you were to buy this.

Though to be honest, the Daemons codex did have some terrible Blanche artwork.

Calling Blanche artwork "terrible" is a bit redundant, no?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Calling Blanche artwork "terrible" is a bit redundant, no?

This was a whole new level of bad. Like a child with a set of Crayola bad!

Eldercaveman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Calling Blanche artwork "terrible" is a bit redundant, no?

This was a whole new level of bad. Like a child with a set of Crayola bad!

Still being redundant when referring to Blanche.

 -Loki- wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Calling Blanche artwork "terrible" is a bit redundant, no?

This was a whole new level of bad. Like a child with a set of Crayola bad!

Still being redundant when referring to Blanche.

Yeah, you're probably right.



Back on topic, reading through my Imperial Armour: Apoc book as I've just purchased my self a nice new Malonthrope. It's special rules are all listed followed by a * which refers to the *rule found in Codex:Tyranids side note. However the Prey Adaptation rule, even though it is explained in its own entry on the Malanthrope page has a * after it. So could we be seeing the Prey Adaptation rule finding it's way into the Codex?

Could just be a case of Forgeworld not proofreading their stuff and forgetting to take the * off, since as you aid, it's explained in the unit entry.

Wouldn't be surpised to see something like it appear in the codex though, as Lictors get Feeder Tendrils, as do Genestealers since 3rd edition, in some form or another.

Would be a nice added biomorph for something like lictors though.




Yeah could be an added bonus for Genestealers

Lictors need some kind of protection the turn they show up. If the new big guy is gonna have a drag weapon, let the lictor target any character model in a unit. Range 12inch. If it the character is dragged to the lictor and they are now in CC.

Stormbreed wrote:
Lictors need some kind of protection the turn they show up. If the new big guy is gonna have a drag weapon, let the lictor target any character model in a unit. Range 12inch. If it the character is dragged to the lictor and they are now in CC.

Rumour has it they can only be shot at with snap shots, same with outflanking stealers.

Regarding the malenthrope - its an awesome model.

I really really hope it makes it in the new codex....but sadly, I doubt it will.....(alas the trygon was the last...).

For two reasons;
1 - its an awesome model, and I love mine.
2 - the rules in the latest apoc book are so bad, it is stunning.
It is possibly one of the worst rules sets I have ever seen for a model - it even makes vespid and pyrovores look good.

Here is hoping minimally the biomorphs it has get some kind of an upgrade to make it useful.

What have they changed with the Malanthrope to make it so bad?

Do Lictors have the fear rule now? If not what do you think the chances are of them getting it?


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What's the prey adaption rule?

So a new codex is coming out soon too? Damn, I just bought the "new" one :/

Brutal Viking wrote:
Do Lictors have the fear rule now? If not what do you think the chances are of them getting it?

What difference would it make if they did? Most armies in 40K ignore Fear. It's a useless ability.

Brutal Viking wrote:
Do Lictors have the fear rule now? If not what do you think the chances are of them getting it?


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What's the prey adaption rule?

* Prey Adaption:
Once a Malanthrope brood has destroyed an enemy infantri unit (of any type) in an assault, both they and any friendly Tyranid model or unit withing Synapse range of the Malanthrope brood (including the Malanthrope themselves) gain the Preferred Enemy special rule against the enemy type they have slain


Source:http://menteenjambre.foroactivo.com/t1652-malanthrope-tiranido

Destroyed an enemy unit? Wow. That's super-fething-vague. So they've got to destroy the entire unit? What if a single model gets away, they don't get the benfit?

I hope those aren't the feeder tendril rules.

The fundamental flaw is they're Infantry, and while they do have Fleet and MtC, you still have to make it across the table and into combat with something barely more durable than a Space Marine Centurion and no transport options, then win a combat, in order to gain any benefit from the rather wooly SR.

And they're over 100pts each.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Destroyed an enemy unit? Wow. That's super-fething-vague. So they've got to destroy the entire unit? What if a single model gets away, they don't get the benfit?

I hope those aren't the feeder tendril rules.

Oh, HBMC...it gets worse.

The malentrhope also lost its MC status and is ws 3, so its likelyhood of actually killing something in CC is quite limited.
Furthermore its poison is no longer +2, but standard "toxin sacs".

It basically just an giant synapse hormagant with toxin sacs...

Wow.

And people complain about FW being OP... Jesus...

 scadianforlife wrote:

Brutal Viking wrote:
Do Lictors have the fear rule now? If not what do you think the chances are of them getting it?


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What's the prey adaption rule?

* Prey Adaption:
Once a Malanthrope brood has destroyed an enemy infantri unit (of any type) in an assault, both they and any friendly Tyranid model or unit withing Synapse range of the Malanthrope brood (including the Malanthrope themselves) gain the Preferred Enemy special rule against the enemy type they have slain


Source:http://menteenjambre.foroactivo.com/t1652-malanthrope-tiranido

Malanthrope you say? So the nids codex is getting another FW unit?

EDIT: Nope, guess not. Misread everything

Yeah but that Malanthrope rule could be the new 'Nid rule for feeder tendrils. I wish all the Lictors in the world good luck in killing entire units off to get the benefits of a special rule, assuming anyone can find their Lictors under all the dust they've accumulated since the 3rd Ed Codex came out.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but that Malanthrope rule could be the new 'Nid rule for feeder tendrils. I wish all the Lictors in the world good luck in killing entire units off to get the benefits of a special rule, assuming anyone can find their Lictors under all the dust they've accumulated since the 3rd Ed Codex came out.

That would be interesting. Now ther seems to have been an FAQ for the Malanthrope at some point, but my Google-fu is turning Google-poo. Can anyone clarify that up? It was an FAQ to IA vol2 1st ed.

That FAQ, assuming you're rembering correctly, would be irrelevant now anyway, as we have newer rules for 6th Ed published in IA:Apoc

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Brutal Viking wrote:
Do Lictors have the fear rule now? If not what do you think the chances are of them getting it?

What difference would it make if they did? Most armies in 40K ignore Fear. It's a useless ability.

just think it would be fluffy if they did and I play Tau so it's not a rule I've ever gotten to use plus my usual opponents aren't fearless except crons and a few chaos units

You don't need to be Fearless in order to Know No Fear.

davethepak wrote:
Regarding the malenthrope - its an awesome model.

I really really hope it makes it in the new codex....but sadly, I doubt it will.....(alas the trygon was the last...).

Which is a good thing. Seriously. The Malanthrope is already in the game, albeit with pretty bad rules. GW making a plastic kit for it would do two things:

1. Probably translate just as badly for the codex version of the unit
2. Mean we get one less new unit because they've cannibalised a unit they already sell that you can already use.

The GW studio taking units from the Forgeworld line was always stupid, because it didn't give us a new unit, it just kept the range stagnant. The only notable part about the Trygon is it went from an Apocalypse only Gargantuan to a regular Monstrous Creature.

What makes me happy is this new release at least looks more promising, aesthetically, than previous releases. The only visually odd unit was the new Tyrant Guard, but even they looked better with new shots and other weapons. So far we don't have anything that sticks out as poorly designed like the Heldrake or Dinobots, or the Tau flyers, or the Centurions... Actually, I think this is the first 6th edition book without a turkey of a model.

 -Loki- wrote:
Actually, I think this is the first 6th edition book without a turkey of a model.

Just turkey rules.

Everything except that guard.

 -Loki- wrote:

davethepak wrote:
Regarding the malenthrope - its an awesome model.

I really really hope it makes it in the new codex....but sadly, I doubt it will.....(alas the trygon was the last...).

Which is a good thing. Seriously. The Malanthrope is already in the game, albeit with pretty bad rules. GW making a plastic kit for it would do two things:

1. Probably translate just as badly for the codex version of the unit
2. Mean we get one less new unit because they've cannibalised a unit they already sell that you can already use.

The GW studio taking units from the Forgeworld line was always stupid, because it didn't give us a new unit, it just kept the range stagnant. The only notable part about the Trygon is it went from an Apocalypse only Gargantuan to a regular Monstrous Creature.

What makes me happy is this new release at least looks more promising, aesthetically, than previous releases. The only visually odd unit was the new Tyrant Guard, but even they looked better with new shots and other weapons. So far we don't have anything that sticks out as poorly designed like the Heldrake or Dinobots, or the Tau flyers, or the Centurions... Actually, I think this is the first 6th edition book without a turkey of a model.

No, but we still have the giant play-doh monsters like the Harridan and Hierodules.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Actually, I think this is the first 6th edition book without a turkey of a model.

Just turkey rules.

We've put up with it for so long, whats another edition...

I wonder if the second edition of IA 4 The Anphelion Project is going to come close after the Nid codex, our big creatures need a way to deal with all that D stuff (and the Harridan should be ungroundable).

Rumor from Natfka:



http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/12/tyranid-pricing-information-for-january.html

And please remember (before freaking out) that his record is not great. Wait for confirmation from other sources.

Well if that list is accurate, nothing's gone up in price.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well if that list is accurate, nothing's gone up in price.

My want to be optimistic about the future is warring with with my skepticism about some rumor mongers!

Do I see no Biovore or Pyrovore on that list?

Also, I still have no proof the rules won't be perfectly viable in 6th edition.

Plus apparently you can take a brood spawned from the almighty Ravenor

Fake methinks.

 pretre wrote:
Rumor from Natfka:



http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/12/tyranid-pricing-information-for-january.html

And please remember (before freaking out) that his record is not great. Wait for confirmation from other sources.

It lists dual boxes for the Tygon/Mawloc, and the Tyrannofex/Tervigon, but not the new Haruspex/Exocrine? The Exocrine isn't mentioned at all... Also, why is the Chinese Codex listed, but not any other languages? None of the boxes are consistent with their contents:some are listed as broods, while others are not(Ravenor Brood and Warriors for instance). I'm not sure if I would have posted it myself...

 brassangel wrote:
Also, I still have no proof the rules won't be perfectly viable in 6th edition.

You've read the same Warrior and Genestealer entries the rest of us have, right?

 pretre wrote:
My want to be optimistic about the future is warring with with my skepticism about some rumor mongers!

Nothing about it stands out as being particularly egregious. The higher prices are on the new stuff, all the current stuff stays the same. That matches with most recent releases, doesn't it?

 Sinful Hero wrote:

It lists dual boxes for the Tygon/Mawloc, and the Tyrannofex/Tervigon, but not the new Haruspex/Exocrine? The Exocrine isn't mentioned at all...

That's the same for all new 6E dual-kit releases. The Wraithguard box lid doesn't mention Wraithblades, the Wraithfighter doesn't mention the Crimson Hunter, and Hive Guard doesn't include Tyrant Guard.

 -Loki- wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Actually, I think this is the first 6th edition book without a turkey of a model.

Just turkey rules.

We've put up with it for so long, whats another edition...

2nd, 3rd, 4th edition the Tyranids had good rules. It's just 5th and (theoretically) 6th where the rules were bad.

Compare to Tau where they had one gimmick build in 3rd that was nerfed in a White Dwarf article, and got progressively worse for ten years until 6th edition codex made them powerful.

Also, Tyranids are the only non-Imperial faction to get a codex every edition.

RogueRegault wrote:
Compare to Tau where they had one gimmick build in 3rd that was nerfed in a White Dwarf article

Wait, that could happen?

Teaser vid seems to be up on the site by the way. Spoiler: it sucks.

Teaser is up!

Surely that is the worst teaser video ever, and that is saying something, considering some of the previous ones.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
Also, I still have no proof the rules won't be perfectly viable in 6th edition.

You've read the same Warrior and Genestealer entries the rest of us have, right?

Yes, and I'm not too worried about it until I play a bunch of games with the book. Pretty much every panic button on the forums before the release of a codex has been wrong, and my actually playing with the rules will tell me more than the whining, overreactions of people who haven't played with them yet. Even once it's in our hands, most people will play one game and make dumb conclusions.

We heard the Helldrake was too expensive.
We heard the Riptide was too easy to kill and didn't pack the firepower for the points.
We heard Demons were unplayable without blanket Eternal Warrior.
We heard the Eldar book suffered an across-the-board fail. People still said this a week into owning it.

In fact, it's because people are expecting bad things for those two Tyranids units that I'm pretty sure they'll see considerable play. Even if they didn't change at all, they can work fine if the rest of the book is solid (which none of us are sure of yet).

When I tried Genestealers and Warriors out in 5th, they were almost good, and definitely worth it when they hit combat. The problem was, we didn't have ways to distract the opponent enough to get them there. Now it seems we will have a ton of new options. If an opponent is still wasting the Krak Missiles no one uses in competitive play on Warriors when there are 9 monstrous creatures - 4 of which are flying - coming at them, they are terrible players and I'll take the free win.

They don't need super armor that's unjustified, or toughness despite being naked and fleshy; they definitely don't need a transport. They need a role, and Tyranids need menacing amounts of target saturation.

 brassangel wrote:

When I tried Genestealers and Warriors out in 5th, they were almost good, and definitely worth it when they hit combat. The problem was, we didn't have ways to distract the opponent enough to get them there. Now it seems we will have a ton of new options. If an opponent is still wasting the Krak Missiles no one uses in competitive play on Warriors when there are 9 monstrous creatures - 4 of which are flying - coming at them, they are terrible players and I'll take the free win.

They don't need super armor that's unjustified, or toughness despite being naked and fleshy; they definitely don't need a transport. They need a role, and Tyranids need menacing amounts of target saturation.

Honestly, I'd take Warriors now if they could do a little more damage while advancing. Buff Devourers/Deathspitters and I'd be all over them. Give Venom Cannons multiple AP3 shots instead of a single weedy blast and I'd field a few.
My experience with Warriors is that while they're very strong in melee, it took them an age to get there and do any damage. They would rarely justify their points from melee alone, and their shooting ability did little to bridge the gap thanks to always being outranged, or not having enough weight of fire to impact MEQs. Some combination of poison, rending or a 24" range on Devourers/Deathspitters would resolve that nicely.

CODEX: TYRANIDS (ENGLISH)
TYRANID PSYCHIC CARDS (ENGLISH)
TYRANID SWARM
TYRANID HIVE GUARD
TYRANID HARPY
TYRANID CARNIFEX BROOD
TYRANID WARRIORS
TYRANID HARUSPEX
THE MASTER OF LAKE-TOWN
ALFRID THE COUNCILLOR
BARD THE BOWMAN
LAKE-TOWN CAPTAIN
LAKE-TOWN GUARD SWORDSMEN
GANDALF THE GREY
WHITE DWARF JANUARY 2014 (NES)

Total release list by my dude

 pizzaguardian wrote:
CODEX: TYRANIDS (ENGLISH)
TYRANID PSYCHIC CARDS (ENGLISH)
TYRANID SWARM
TYRANID HIVE GUARD
TYRANID HARPY
TYRANID CARNIFEX BROOD
TYRANID WARRIORS
TYRANID HARUSPEX
THE MASTER OF LAKE-TOWN
ALFRID THE COUNCILLOR
BARD THE BOWMAN
LAKE-TOWN CAPTAIN
LAKE-TOWN GUARD SWORDSMEN
GANDALF THE GREY
WHITE DWARF JANUARY 2014 (NES)

Total release list by my dude

At first I thought you were talking just tyranids.

Deathspitters were a solid choice until Cruddace decided to inexplicably rewrite them after iirc almost two DECADES of the same stats and role.

I'm pretty sure it took more effort to do that teaser, than it would of done if they made a good teaser. Common, i don't think i could of done worse, and i can't use that software. Why didn't they have that world change colour as if it was infested?! or something...

Roll on good Hormagaunts, Warriors and Genestealers

 brassangel wrote:
The problem was, we didn't have ways to distract the opponent enough to get them there. Now it seems we will have a ton of new options. If an opponent is still wasting the Krak Missiles no one uses in competitive play on Warriors when there are 9 monstrous creatures - 4 of which are flying - coming at them, they are terrible players and I'll take the free win.

They don't need super armor that's unjustified, or toughness despite being naked and fleshy; they definitely don't need a transport. They need a role, and Tyranids need menacing amounts of target saturation.

This logic is beyond terrible. Absolutely no real thought about the payoffs and disadvantages of the different models, just claims that target saturation with higher priority threats may be enough to shield Warriors to see some return on your points investment.

For starters, I don't see anything in your post to justify comparing Warriors being gak on for the new codex, to units from other codex's new being gak on. This isn't about us predicting why they will be bad in the new codex, we already know they are terrible, and the points being by others made is that nothing has changed. You also make a point of why they won't be terrible in the new dex because of new MC's, but Tyranid lists are already basically Troop Choice + Monstrous Creatures. Basically (well, literally) everything you said already applies and Warriors still are just as useless.


With the info we have about the coming codex, for 300 points I can get a 6 man Warrior squad with Deathspitters & LW+BS. For the same amount of points I can get a 30 man squad of Termagants and take a Tervigon as troop choice with Toxin Sacs & Adrenal Glands.



Obvious benefits aside, I'm going to try to drive a point home by using the logic hammer - your opponent making a conscious choice not to fire missiles at your Warriors because they are a lower level threat than the Flyrant and Crone all up in their grills turn 2, does not justify Warriors as a solid troop choice, for the reason that You could instead have 30 Gants + Tervigon also not getting fired upon, spawning more troops each turn it is left to it's devices, also sitting comfortably with the knowledge that as soon as it becomes a threat, it will not be wiped out by a single turn of shooting from a 3 man missile suqad. You can not say the same about Warriors.

On the flipside of the coin, your opponent firing his missiles at your Warriors instead of your fliers does not justify their role either. Ok, yes your MC's avoided a round of missile fire. But lets look at what I spoke about earlier, the payoffs to taking these models, because you just threw 300 points out the window to keep likely 1-3 wounds (and that's being very generous) from being taken from your Harpy. It does not take many missiles to kill a squad of Warriors. Nice. You know what could have done with those points? Bought two more Harpys. With points to spare if they get the rumored point reduction. The situation you described does not read to me like the "free-win" you claim it to be. This just seems like your opponent cut you down a large number of your points in the form of a small number of models, for the cost of a minimal amount of effort from his side of the field. Sure, you still have all your MC's leftover. But you have less MC's than you could have had, and your MC's WILL go down, under weight of fire.

I'm gonna put this in simpler terms and give you a plausible situation to envision (and no this won't happen every game but it will happen, and is a plausible situation, and certainly often enough to shoot down any hopes at competitive placing) would be the quick slaughter of your two Warrior squads in the very early game, leaving you with a 1000 pt army of MC's, and them with 1500 of space marine resilience. You will both be tough, but he'll be tougher because you spent 500 of your points on very non-tough or cost-effective models. This is just an example, sure you can argue that you might be taking 1 warrior squad and 1 tervi-gant clan squad, all you are doing is putting the same wakenesses on the field just in a smaller dosage, "somewhat" minimizing a completely unnecessary loss that was completely avoidable in the first place by not taking such a "free-kill-if-you-want-to-take-it" prone unit.


I don't even think I should have to mention what would happen should your mission need scoring units, your opponent has missiles, and your plan is still using high toughness saturation as a pseudo-shield for your Warriors.



And FYI if missiles don't see much competitive play, Warriors see absolutely none.

Think about why this may be.
I hope this puts an end to the posts of "warriors are fine, GW are doing their job, we have plenty of viable troop choices, rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb". Warriors are basura. GW has had the opportunity to fix them, and with the info we have so far, they have chosen not to. So warriors will remain basura, until new info surfaces that they are in fact, no longer basura.

 eskimo wrote:

Roll on good Hormagaunts, Warriors and Genestealers

...and Lictors...and Carnfexes?

I know most of the world the date system is day, month, year, but I found it rather musing that it was 04.01.2014 (April fools) by typical American dating system .

Odd_Socks wrote:
Surely that is the worst teaser video ever, and that is saying something, considering some of the previous ones.

What are you talking about?! That sound effect at the end? Now we know what it sounds like when a 'nid takes a poo! After months and months of speculation, the truth is finally revealed!

For the record SHUPPET, we currently don't know the cost of weapons- just a few biomorphs. It's reasonable to assume they stayed the same, but several biomorphs DID change cost for some units(scything talons on Genestealers).

 Sinful Hero wrote:
For the record SHUPPET, we currently don't know the cost of weapons- just a few biomorphs. It's reasonable to assume they stayed the same, but several biomorphs DID change cost for some units(scything talons on Genestealers).

That's very true, which is why I tried to emphasise more than once in my post that I was talking about the information that we have to work with, not wishlists, not theories, and not rumours, which there are a lot of.

That being said, assuming Warriors came with free Deathspitters and BW+LW (which we KNOW they don't), a 5 man squad of naked Warriors is still the cost of a Harpy. Assuming their gear costs have been lowered drastically, which we can probably suspect they haven't, a lot of what I said hasn't changed.

 Souleater wrote:

 eskimo wrote:

Roll on good Hormagaunts, Warriors and Genestealers

...and Lictors...and Carnfexes?

I really really hope the carnefex makes a come back. Lictors? I doubt they'll be good. They've never been good but that has never stopped me from taking them anyway!

They were good in 2nd. But yea, they have sucked for far too long for being the IMO creepiest tyranid.

 Souleater wrote:

 eskimo wrote:

Roll on good Hormagaunts, Warriors and Genestealers

...and Lictors...and Carnfexes?

Ah yes, ofcourse!

I want Screamer Killers as i'm not a fan of the dakkafex.

I'd also like to use some of my many spore mines.

But what i really want is to be able to plan an entirely different army each game.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I first saw them up at 4chan-

Spoiler:

Hmm, looks like I'll just be going for the regular (rather than LE) 'dex.

The teaser actually was OK to me, though . The font was cool, some of the grammar could have used a little help . "Dangers which seek our destruction" "Dangers that will consume us"... c'mon man!

Question: so those of us wHo subscribed will get the WD on the 4th, right?

You'll get it when GW say you can have it, and you'll like it. Kapeesh?

Can't wait for more details.

More stuff from 4chan/the WD:

Dataslates:


Army list used in batrep:

That teaser video was very meh. Also I always forget the USA uses a different date order and I wondered to myself why the heck they'd have a teaser video for something that releases on April 1'st lol. But obviously it must be the 4'th of January haha. This looks awesome and is really making me debate starting a bug army which I've wanted to do for a while.

2 words

Please don't use language like this on Dakka.
Reds8n

Tyrinid vanguards looks like a super fluffly list! But with my luck it will be woefully unefective.

No Troops in the army list?

 Redemption wrote:


Army list used in batrep:

Those points are even better!

timd wrote:
No Troops in the army list?

 Redemption wrote:

Spoiler:

Army list used in batrep:

WD batreps don't always use the FOC, or even set point limits. And I believe this one was set to be a battle of the MC;s. Against a 6 Riptide Tau list apparenty.

A 60 point discount on the Tyrannofex, 30 point discount on the Flyrant with devourers, mixed gun brood of flexes, 60 point discount on OOE (and he's HQ)...

Nidzilla is looking sexy.

rigeld2 wrote:
A 60 point discount on the Tyrannofex, 30 point discount on the Flyrant with devourers, mixed gun brood of flexes, 60 point discount on OOE (and he's HQ)...

Nidzilla is looking sexy.

And the fact that dual devourers is still an option on Tyrants is nice. And a 10 point drop on the Trygon Prime.

rigeld2 wrote:
A 60 point discount on the Tyrannofex, 30 point discount on the Flyrant with devourers, mixed gun brood of flexes, 60 point discount on OOE (and he's HQ)...

Nidzilla is looking sexy.

Apparently Flyrants can roll Warp Blast... and according to the dude posting this WD stuff on 4chan it's still an S10 Lance. Yep... not only do we get a flying railgun, but it can be used with Skyfire too

Do we have full disclosure on what the powers will do, and which rulebook powers we can/can't take?

Warp blast is currently a small blast S5 AP3 and you can't shoot blasts at flyers... I trust you mean warp lance can be rolled.

Has nobody noticed the scythed hierodule is listed as heavy support, not Lord of War??? Could this mean they're in the codex now?

skycapt44 wrote:Warp blast is currently a small blast S5 AP3 and you can't shoot blasts at flyers... I trust you mean warp lance can be rolled.

Eldercaveman wrote:Do we have full disclosure on what the powers will do, and which rulebook powers we can/can't take?

Here is the quote from the guy who posted the armylist pic:

Warp Blast is unchanged (2 profiles, lance is s10 ap2 lance), but Flyrant with this is awesome.

Catalyst - Psyker and his unit + another unit in 12" - so it's one turn.

Edit:

I just worked out this armylist under the current codex (using the same point values for new units, including Tyrant Guard). It comes to 3,480, meaning point costs are down nearly 10% on average.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Has nobody noticed the scythed hierodule is listed as heavy support, not Lord of War??? Could this mean they're in the codex now?

Perhaps. It's happened before.

Good lord that teaser was bad. And whats with the skull faced guy on the cover of the LE codex? Please tell me thats not a representation of the hive mind...

tetrisphreak wrote:Has nobody noticed the scythed hierodule is listed as heavy support, not Lord of War??? Could this mean they're in the codex now?

I would sinceraly doubt it, we'd have had something by now. And I would imagine have seen a plastic kit. WD battle reports are little more than GW throwing toys down on a table and taking cool photos.

xttz wrote:

skycapt44 wrote:Warp blast is currently a small blast S5 AP3 and you can't shoot blasts at flyers... I trust you mean warp lance can be rolled.

Eldercaveman wrote:Do we have full disclosure on what the powers will do, and which rulebook powers we can/can't take?

Here is the quote from the guy who posted the armylist pic:

Warp Blast is unchanged (2 profiles, lance is s10 ap2 lance), but Flyrant with this is awesome.

Catalyst - Psyker and his unit + another unit in 12" - so it's one turn.

Edit:

I just worked out this armylist under the current codex (using the same point values for new units, including Tyrant Guard). It comes to 3,480, meaning point costs are down nearly 10% on average.

So Warp Blast/Lance are just being rolled into one power with 2 profiles. That works for me.

So have there been any rumors suggesting a "Strike-Force" box akin to the Space Marine one?

I have wanted to start Nids, and was hoping to use a discounted "bundle" as a jumping in point, as all I own are a copy of Space Hulk 3rd Edition, worth of Genestealers. :-p

It says Dataslate right on the WD picture at the top of this page, so no supplement.

 Redemption wrote:
It says Dataslate right on the WD picture at the top of this page, so no supplement.

Interesting that the description says it's a supplement for 40k... we'll have to wait and see I suppose.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So have there been any rumors suggesting a "Strike-Force" box akin to the Space Marine one?

I have wanted to start Nids, and was hoping to use a discounted "bundle" as a jumping in point, as all I own are a copy of Space Hulk 3rd Edition, worth of Genestealers. :-p

Swarm box is 30 of each gaunt, 10 gargs, and a Carnifex.

And 4 Ripper Swarms.

rigeld2 wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So have there been any rumors suggesting a "Strike-Force" box akin to the Space Marine one?

I have wanted to start Nids, and was hoping to use a discounted "bundle" as a jumping in point, as all I own are a copy of Space Hulk 3rd Edition, worth of Genestealers. :-p

Swarm box is 30 of each gaunt, 10 gargs, and a Carnifex.

So, not having a Codex yet, is that something I could justify buying multiples of? Should I plan to order a couple of those, and the Codex as a "starter" of sorts?

40 of each gaunt**


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I'm getting 3 boxes and the dex as a start point... estimated price is too good to pass up

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So, not having a Codex yet, is that something I could justify buying multiples of? Should I plan to order a couple of those, and the Codex as a "starter" of sorts?

I'd only get multiple of them if they're a limited time deal, you like swarm armies and you can stand assembling and painting that many models without getting suicidal tendencies.

The really big question is whether or not Rippers become useful.

They had a brief if somewhat cheesy moment in 3rd edition.

 Redemption wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So, not having a Codex yet, is that something I could justify buying multiples of? Should I plan to order a couple of those, and the Codex as a "starter" of sorts?

I'd only get multiple of them if they're a limited time deal, you like swarm armies and you can stand assembling and painting that many models without getting suicidal tendencies.

Agreed. I've been playing 40k and Nids 6 to 9 months, can't remember. (played 3rd when i was a kid) I'm reading, playing and painting allot. I'm on my second battleforce now. I have a third but it's un-opened as u'm not finished with my other stuff.

Unless you LOVE Gaunts, don't bother. My priorities are the models i like (genes & warriors) not the most usefull.

Get a Codex. Some Gaunts, MC and a HQ. Figure out your paint scheme, learn the rules and play some small games. Don't jump in too deep. Learning rules and a new Codex ain't a quick thing. Experience is essential too.




As for this WD report. Not liking the dakkafex setups. Hopwfully they become CC beasties again.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Has nobody noticed the scythed hierodule is listed as heavy support, not Lord of War??? Could this mean they're in the codex now?

Interesting! Good catch...

 RiTides wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Has nobody noticed the scythed hierodule is listed as heavy support, not Lord of War??? Could this mean they're in the codex now?

Interesting! Good catch...

Or, infinitely more likely, GW made a typo in WD or just doesn't know the rules for Tyranids.

The Tyranid 5e WD had Raveners giving up a VP when they were killed but in the special mission ruels it stated that that only Synapse creatures gave up a VPs. Tyranids lost that match by 1 VP and the mission was so slanted against Tyranids it was mind boggling. It was something like Tyranids had to kill an injured SM HQ guy that could move around the table but could only realistically kill him once the SM player was tabled. It really set the tone that GW had for Tyranids.

I'm not too fond of the dakkafexes or dakka flyrant being on the list either. It just tells me that's still the best option and they don't have much to show us for those models besides the old cheese

 eskimo wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So, not having a Codex yet, is that something I could justify buying multiples of? Should I plan to order a couple of those, and the Codex as a "starter" of sorts?

I'd only get multiple of them if they're a limited time deal, you like swarm armies and you can stand assembling and painting that many models without getting suicidal tendencies.

Agreed. I've been playing 40k and Nids 6 to 9 months, can't remember. (played 3rd when i was a kid) I'm reading, playing and painting allot. I'm on my second battleforce now. I have a third but it's un-opened as u'm not finished with my other stuff.

Unless you LOVE Gaunts, don't bother. My priorities are the models i like (genes & warriors) not the most usefull.

Get a Codex. Some Gaunts, MC and a HQ. Figure out your paint scheme, learn the rules and play some small games. Don't jump in too deep. Learning rules and a new Codex ain't a quick thing. Experience is essential too.




As for this WD report. Not liking the dakkafex setups. Hopwfully they become CC beasties again.

Well, i'm not new to 40k (anymore) as since September I have built up about 1800pts of Space Marines (Iron Hands), and helped the wife build/paint about 900pts of Orks. So i'm sure they're a very different way of playing, but I at least know the core game reasonably well.

We also play Kill-Team a lot (the Herald version, and now the "new" official one.

So, based on rumors and older editions is it possible to play a Genestealer horde?

Question.

Why would anyone buy the limited edition? It's just a re-colour (a poorly done one at that) of the normal cover, plus an accompanying letter written by cringing GW staff who were probably giggling when they called the buyer a budding hive mind.

People buy limited stuff because its limited. The fact that there are only a select few (or 500, or 1000) in the world can appeal and make it seem exclusive.

I have the limited ed daemons codex, though I do regret not just spending the extra money on more miniatures

Swarmlord: +5 points, but ML3.....meh. I really hope his 4+ invul works against shooting now or he dropped to a 2+ save base.
Tyrant Guard: with scything/crushing are 70 each. Don't know if/how scything and crushing claws have changed though.

Tervigon: ML1 confirm. If crushing claws are roughly the same points cost as the previous book (25 points) that means the Tervigon has gone UP 25 points. Ugh....

Hive Tyrants; ML2 confirmed. I think it's safe to say that between the 2 tyrants we can rule these guys as a base 160 points. (25 for the heavy venom cannon. 30 for wings and 15 for each TL-BL devourer on the flyer) I really hope they have some cool toys to choose from, because these look rather bland.

OOE: HQ and a big price drop (40 points?). Here's hoping he's had a bump in staying power as well.

Venomthropes: No price change....that's ominous. I was hoping for a shrouded or stealth bubble and not a 5+ cover bubble....will have to wait and see here.

Hive Crone: 155 points....erm....gotta wait for stats/weapons/special rules here.

Harpy: 135 points. Nice points drop, but if the stranglethorn cannon hasn't gotten a lot better, I'm not paying even 135 points for a T5 W4 4+ save creature with 1 S6 large blast....they get eaten by quad-guns.

Carnifexes: MEGA cheaper. 145 each average here with gun upgrades. These are very likely a 120-125 points each to start....nice!

Trygon Prime: Not an HQ, which was rumored (could be a typo though? The Scythed Hierodule is a Lord of War, and not heavy as well.) 10 points cheaper.....meh. Here's hoping the rumor about being able to not fire the bio-feedback weapon and get an invul save is true.

Exocrine: Confirmed @ 170 points and heavy support....erm....gotta wait for stats/weapons/special rules here, but I have trouble imagining how the Tyrannofex and this are going to co-exist.

Tyranno-fex: Confirmed 55 points cheaper....MEH. I don't think I'd take this if it were another 50 points cheaper frankly. Maybe the rupture cannon got better.

Interesting stuff.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

So, based on rumors and older editions is it possible to play a Genestealer horde?

It's POSSIBLE, but unless genestealers have some crazy unknown synergy from something we haven't seen yet it is going to be a completely terrible list on the tabletop.

 Imposter101 wrote:
Question.

Why would anyone buy the limited edition? It's just a re-colour (a poorly done one at that) of the normal cover, plus an accompanying letter written by cringing GW staff who were probably giggling when they called the buyer a budding hive mind.

Does anyone know what comes in the LE codex?

Once I find out what exactly is it in, I'll decide, but I probably won't get it. All the fluff is recycled or in the regular 6e codex and I already have every Tyranid codex and IA book so it would only serve to give me everything with all the retconned stuff taken out.

Carnage42- Exocrine is the gun-beast, you're thinkng of the Haruspex.

Seems like they didnt want to do a release video, they should have just saved the money and not done it.

 Carnage43 wrote:

Tervigon: ML1 confirm. If crushing claws are roughly the same points cost as the previous book (25 points) that means the Tervigon has gone UP 25 points. Ugh....

Venomthropes: No price change....that's ominous. I was hoping for a shrouded or stealth bubble and not a 5+ cover bubble....will have to wait and see here.

Exocrine: Confirmed @ 170 points and heavy support....erm....gotta wait for stats/weapons/special rules here, but I have trouble imagining what role this will fill that will make it different enough to warrant taking over a Trygon. (12" move? The magna-grapple thing?).

Tyranno-fex: Confirmed 55 points cheaper....MEH. I don't think I'd take this if it were another 50 points cheaper frankly. Maybe the rupture cannon got better.

Tervigons: Don't forget you had to buy powers for Tervigons in 5E; it just looks like they included that cost in the unit now. With the same build, it is only 10pts more than it is now.

Venomthropes have dropped by 10pts.

Exocrines fire six S7 AP2 shots or a S8 large blast. That's pretty good for 170pts and will help immensely against light transports/skimmers, and doubling out heavy units like Nobz or Paladins.

Tyrannofexes sound like a bargain to me. Assuming they haven't been nerfed too hard, a six-wound MC with a 2+ save for about 200pts seems like a good deal. It's looking to be a slower, shootier Trygon.

That "teaser" video was pretty dumb

We're probably looking at something like this for Fex costs (all these add up to 435pts):

Fex 115pts
TL Devourer 15pts
Stranglethorn 30pts

Fex 120pts
TL Devourer 15pts
Stranglethorn 15pts

Fex 125pts
TL Devourer 10pts
Stranglethorn 20pts

 xttz wrote:
We're probably looking at something like this for Fex costs (all these add up to 435pts):

Fex 115pts
TL Devourer 15pts
Stranglethorn 30pts

Fex 120pts
TL Devourer 15pts
Stranglethorn 15pts

Fex 125pts
TL Devourer 10pts
Stranglethorn 20pts

I take it this also confirms they don't all have to take the same biomorphs now?

 xttz wrote:


Tervigons: Don't forget you had to buy powers for Tervigons in 5E; it just looks like they included that cost in the unit now. With the same build, it is only 10pts more than it is now.

What made Tervigons awesome right now is the ability to have 3 rolls on the biomancy table even though they were only ML1. This made getting endurance, iron arm and enfeeble, or at least ONE of them fairly likely. Now biomancy is a trap, which basically means the new nid psychic table had better be amazing, or 1/2 of their utility is out the window. It's also gone UP in points, so it's a double whammy nerf. I can't say we didn't see this coming....but ouch.

Venomthropes have dropped by 10pts.

Yeah, I've never used venomthropes....my bad. This frankly is even less encouraging, as it's even less likely they've gotten any better now.

Exocrines fire six S7 AP2 shots or a S8 large blast. That's pretty good for 170pts and will help immensely against light transports/skimmers, and doubling out heavy units like Nobz or Paladins.

Will have to wait and see if that weapon profile is accurate, but if it's a S8 AP2 blast....well, that will make this thing basically a must take wouldn't it?

Tyrannofexes sound like a bargain to me. Assuming they haven't been nerfed too hard, a six-wound MC with a 2+ save for about 200pts seems like a good deal. It's looking to be a slower, shootier Trygon.

I just keep comparing them to Riptides with an ion accelerator. Tides have 1 less wound, but a 5+ invul. Once you factor in the available FnP, nova reactor 3++ invul and the added speed from the tau jet pack the tide is SIGNIFICANTLY harder to kill. The Ion accelerator is so much better than a rupture cannon it's not even funny, call the secondary weapons on both a wash. Tide has better buffs it can receive, both from itself via the nova reactor, and from markerlights elsewhere in the army. So if the Tyranno doesn't significantly outgun the tide, which it almost certainly will not, then it's a crappy unit in the current meta game.

 Kwosge wrote:

 Imposter101 wrote:
Question.

Why would anyone buy the limited edition? It's just a re-colour (a poorly done one at that) of the normal cover, plus an accompanying letter written by cringing GW staff who were probably giggling when they called the buyer a budding hive mind.

Does anyone know what comes in the LE codex?

Once I find out what exactly is it in, I'll decide, but I probably won't get it. All the fluff is recycled or in the regular 6e codex and I already have every Tyranid codex and IA book so it would only serve to give me everything with all the retconned stuff taken out.

LE codex will be identical to the new normal codex, but will have the 'special' dust cover and possibly a ribbon to mark your place, nothing more

so pick it up only if you want something most other folk don't have (or if you want to gamble and try and re-sell it)

Carnage,

by that line of thought wouldn't that make pretty much all of the Tyranid MC's not worth it? It's pretty hard to outgun the tide with any of the Nids.

Cant wait

All the shooting is good, i hope they didnt go over the top bringing us new shoot abilities and pass up the assault buffs. I know 6th edition is all about ranged, especially if you want to be competitive. But i really like tyranid CC abilities. Basically i'd rather see a scything talon carnifex as a stronger choice than a dakkafex.

With catalyst(+1 FNP and IWND) the exocrine will get IWND 6+ and FNP6+ (assuming catalyst rumours are true) so the FNP is even and isn't there a biomorph that grants regenerate (which according to rumour grants IWND so catalyst makes it even better.

I'd rather have the extra wound over the 5++ as I never make the ++ save on my tides. Also to get FNP on a tide it's expensive (35pts iirc)

The exocrine also gets twice as many shots as the Riptide and its S8 Ap2 blast doesn't get hot. It loses out on mobility but apart from bad scatter there's no way the exocrine hurts itself.

Catalyst = Feel No Pain for the caster and his unit + 1 friendly unit within 12".

Thought it granted both; sorry

Carnage43 wrote:

 xttz wrote:


I just keep comparing them to Riptides with an ion accelerator. Tides have 1 less wound, but a 5+ invul. Once you factor in the available FnP, nova reactor 3++ invul and the added speed from the tau jet pack the tide is SIGNIFICANTLY harder to kill. The Ion accelerator is so much better than a rupture cannon it's not even funny, call the secondary weapons on both a wash. Tide has better buffs it can receive, both from itself via the nova reactor, and from markerlights elsewhere in the army. So if the Tyranno doesn't significantly outgun the tide, which it almost certainly will not, then it's a crappy unit in the current meta game.

So no monstrous creatures are worth it for Tyranids then?

You're trying to compare units across armies in a vacuum. Tau have the Riptide, but have no ability to do anything if they get stuck in CC, and so must run away the entire game hoping to shoot and nothing else. Tyranids only need fire support for so long to help the rest of their stuff get into CC. The need for bugs is just to soften a few things for when the claws hit home.

Different armies, different roles, and thus not a good comparison to make.

You also aren't comparing to the average unit in Heavy Support. You are comparing to the high-bar of a particularly shooty army.

Have you seen what FMC's or even regular MC's for Tyranids do to Riptides? It's rather hilarious. But they serve different roles and shouldn't really be compared in terms of what they do against MEQ's or whatever.