The most shocking thing so far is no one is telling us how terrible they all look and going to sell their tyranid army.

I like the new fat monsters. I wonder how the big fat gun monster is going to be different from the other big fat gun monster that we already have.
Also its gun looks bigger than the one of the Tyrannofex.

Can someone rehost the pics on neutral territory? Warseer is not the best place to store leaked pics

Also, for some reason, I can't update the first post with the pics.

And the Harpy dual kit, the Crone!

Those are the tentacly bit missles under it's wings. pretty cool. parasite missles?

 Tyran wrote:
I like the new fat monsters. I wonder how the big fat gun monster is going to be different from the other big fat gun monster that we already have.

Fire bigger shells I guess. From lexi:

An Exocrine is a large Tyranid creature bred for long range fire support. Its forelimbs are fused together to form a skeletal platform for a powerful bio-cannon that fires high velocity chitin shells with a silicon-based penetrator core. The bio-cannon is powered by a sudden surge of muscle contractions starting in the creature's head frill combined with an electromagnetic boost from adapted nerve bundles.

Jesus Christ GW why is it so hard to give warriors decent faces?
Is their fluff now that they were created from Maori DNA and are performing a haka?

I need six harpies and six crones for double force orgs

Imgur album for when the Warseer-hosted pics vanish: http://imgur.com/a/L7Wer

So no pics of the new Tyrant Guard, then?

rollawaythestone wrote:
And the Harpy dual kit, the Crone!

...that just looks awkward. Like, slaaneshi awkward. I mean, look at where the pipe and bag is located.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
I like the new fat monsters. I wonder how the big fat gun monster is going to be different from the other big fat gun monster that we already have.

Fire bigger shells I guess. From lexi:

An Exocrine is a large Tyranid creature bred for long range fire support. Its forelimbs are fused together to form a skeletal platform for a powerful bio-cannon that fires high velocity chitin shells with a silicon-based penetrator core. The bio-cannon is powered by a sudden surge of muscle contractions starting in the creature's head frill combined with an electromagnetic boost from adapted nerve bundles.

The rupture cannon already fires 2 st 10 ap 4 shots.

What is this thing going to shoot? st 10 ap3 large blast? ap2? or a destructor weapon (like a counter to the Escalation nonsense)?

 xttz wrote:
Imgur album for when the Warseer-hosted pics vanish: http://imgur.com/a/L7Wer

Was going to do that, thanks

 Tyran wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
I like the new fat monsters. I wonder how the big fat gun monster is going to be different from the other big fat gun monster that we already have.

Fire bigger shells I guess. From lexi:

An Exocrine is a large Tyranid creature bred for long range fire support. Its forelimbs are fused together to form a skeletal platform for a powerful bio-cannon that fires high velocity chitin shells with a silicon-based penetrator core. The bio-cannon is powered by a sudden surge of muscle contractions starting in the creature's head frill combined with an electromagnetic boost from adapted nerve bundles.

The rupture cannon already fires 2 st 10 ap 4 shots.

What is this thing going to shoot? st 10 ap3 large blast? ap2? or a destructor weapon (like a counter to the Escalation nonsense)?

Titan Killer strength, obviously

I was just told I'll be getting laid off and now I know where I'll be spending my severance. hint: (not rent)

 xttz wrote:
Imgur album for when the Warseer-hosted pics vanish: http://imgur.com/a/L7Wer

Thanks for putting those up. Replaced all the warseer links with imgur links.

Also in those links, the Harpy:

The tentacle head seems to be the bombs of the other flyer.

Still not able to put the pics in the first post.

Tyrant Guard!

Really?

Harpy looks ok, will reserve judgement on tentacle mouth till I can see it better..Exocrine looks pretty uninspired..

Yes, really.

And no stat/price change on base warriors, but they can buy flesh hooks.
And good luck spamming Tervigons, because you need a full brood of 30 gants to do so.

 Vhalyar wrote:
Tyrant Guard!

The eighties called, they want their look back!

 Vhalyar wrote:

And good luck spamming Tervigons, because you need a full brood of 30 gants to do so.

Noooooo!

 Vhalyar wrote:
Tyrant Guard!

Ok, now I know GW is taking the piss. I guess they read all those jokes about them and pauldrons after all...

 Vhalyar wrote:
Tyrant Guard!

Alas, poor Yarrick!

 Vhalyar wrote:
Yes, really.

And no stat/price change on base warriors, but they can buy flesh hooks.

Just wow..

Are flesh hooks frags again or stupid guns still?

Wow, so Warriors are going to be approximately $20 in the US? I guess it was to be expected...

 azreal13 wrote:

 Vhalyar wrote:
Tyrant Guard!

The eighties called, they want their look back!

And I love it!

 RandyMcStab wrote:

 Vhalyar wrote:
Yes, really.

And no stat/price change on base warriors, but they can buy flesh hooks.

Just wow..

Are flesh hooks frags again or stupid guns still?

They are currently both.

According to lexi, the Haruspex is not a transport monster, but an assault beast. It basically rushes forward and eats people.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Haruspex#.Uqeu8PRDvq4

"To eat, or not to eat, that is the question!"

 Vhalyar wrote:
Yes, really.

And no stat/price change on base warriors, but they can buy flesh hooks.
And good luck spamming Tervigons, because you need a full brood of 30 gants to do so.

So with no transporta-bug and no Mycetic Spore model, is there any indication on how Nids move quickly? Can they still deep-strike in spores, sans model?

 Kroothawk wrote:

"To eat, or not to eat, that is the question!"

"Damn, if only my arm can get around these fething pauldrons so it can reach my mouth..."

Fools! The Exocrine obviously fires Tyanid broods across the battlefield. This makes it the large transport and explains the removal of Mycetic Spores.

The kits aren't bad but the Red and bone scheme is very lazily done.

 Souleater wrote:
Fools! The Exocrine obviously fires Tyanid broods across the battlefield. This makes it the large transport and explains the removal of Mycetic Spores.

The kits aren't bad but the Red and bone scheme is very lazily done.

They got rid of Mycetic spores?! I mean I don't play Tyranids but that bit of fluff and rules always impressed me with its originality and I feel like taking them out is a missed opportunity for GW.

 Souleater wrote:
Fools! The Exocrine obviously fires Tyanid broods across the battlefield. This makes it the large transport and explains the removal of Mycetic Spores.

The kits aren't bad but the Red and bone scheme is very lazily done.

That's probably not it given the earlier fluff, but that is still hilarious to imagine.

 xttz wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
If that tentacly one is the transport bug, I could see troops pouring out of its mouth-sac.

That'll be the Haruspex, look at the huge claws. It's gonna eat whole tanks, but I doubt it'll transport anything. That was the Malefactor.

Yah, I can't wait to get a better look at that thing.

I am liking the look of this release. Pretty spooky stuff!

The Haruspex looks amazing, the other releases im not too excited for, but that kit looks great to me. I want to paint it...

Looking at the 'new' warriors I am not seeing what has been charged.

(Not talking about the Prime which clearly has extra gribbles.)

First comment:
1.) Tyranid Warriors look almost the same, guess I don't need more.
2.) Hive Guard look close to existing models, which is a good thing. Not sure if I need more.
3.) Tyrant Guard: Prefer the current ones.
4.) Exocrine? Looks good, but close to my Tyrannofex conversion. Why another Tyrannofex?
5.) Haruspex: Difficult to see, looks ugly. Will it ever get close enough for close combat?
6.) Harpy and Crone: Both look good. Bombs clinging to the wings skin makes no sense. Also is there an unpainted belly on the Crone pic?

My current Tyrannofex:

I think the "bombs" are like parasites. Like remoras, or bird lice.

Seriously worried about this release. With Tervigons having a higher tax, stealers and warriors being the same (aka useless) and a possible loss of biomancy, things are looking bleak. Maybe they'll be like Eldar where some old build gets super buffed but... I'm not seeing it. If Shadow in the Warp is gone which it may well be (guy on /tg/ has been avoiding all questions on it, so it looks like it's not mentioned in WD which is worrying) then I can't see how Tyranids will be anything but DOA.

Here's hoping my second favourite army pulls through and gets some awesome stuff though to combat seer council/tau gunlines.

Nah, I doubt they would get rid of SotW. That's a pretty big tyranid thing. Removing it would be like getting rid of the necrons' ability to self-repair.

We know absolutely nothing about the rules, thus far.

Sexy Sexy looking models!

Love them all, I think like all models they will look even better IRL

Perhaps they'll bring back 4th edt. biomorphs such as +1 toughness or saves, fleshhooks being grenades, and scuttlers. Shadow in the Warp getting a huge buff could also explain why they wouldn't change much. Also possible they have certain special rules justifying it. Still too early to claim a codex DOA.

@ Kroothawk: I find your assessment pretty spot on.

There has to be more to a new Warrior kit than just some shoulder pads and BS/LS for the Prime surely?

The Harpy iz the only must have right now. I adore the little ripper things.

The big gun bug puts the 'meh' into 'megafex'. Not ugly but quite plain compared to several T-Fex conversions I have seen.

Biomorphs will almost assuredly be exact replicas of the wargear selections that we've seen in Tau and Space Marines 6th Edition, complete with "generic upgrades" (toxin sacs, adrenal glands etc), to "rare upgrades" (regeneration, etc) to "one-of-a-kind, one-per-army upgrades", which would be... well, look at Space Marine signature wargear I guess.

Tyrant Guard looks badass! And to to those laughing about the shoulders, I take it you're all new to 40K?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Tyrant Guard looks badass! And to to those laughing about the shoulders, I take it you're all know to 40K?

Nope, I've been in the hobby for about 8 years. I still think over sized pauldrons look silly. Especially when the guard's clearly obstruct his arms a bit.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Tyrant Guard looks badass! And to to those laughing about the shoulders, I take it you're all new to 40K?

I'm as old as Zoats, daft is still daft.

I like the new kits, the Haruspex is my favourite so far.

Hopefully the Exocrine is a barrage weapon. That will make it a useful alternative to what the Tyrannofex. Also we can then actually hit an enemy effectively without having to always do it on their terms.

I have to ask this even though I think the answer may be obvious considering the changes to other armies: Are boneswords gonna become AP3? Cause if so I see rending claws being the new default equip for warriors.

I hope the Guard kits can be built without the Space Marine bits. Only slight complaint from me, otherwise looking good and waiting to see proper GW pics.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I have to ask this even though I think the answer may be obvious considering the changes to other armies: Are boneswords gonna become AP3? Cause if so I see rending claws being the new default equip for warriors.

Already are for me, on Warriors, Shrikes and Raveners... Not a massive fan of Boneswords except on Primes

ugh


just... ugh

 streamdragon wrote:
ugh


just... ugh

We have our first winner ladies and gentlemen

Oh my, first overtly negative post in 12 pages. That has to be a record in the rumor section

Damm, they look fantastic!! The new big-beast model had me a bit shocked there, but that's what its purpose is I guess. The Crone has me a bit puzzled though; from the looks if it I'm guessing it has some sort of Template, Bio-Acid attack, but whichever way I think about it it'll just be a Heldrake copy in pretty much every way. The Exocrine is nice as well, I'd imagine it'll have a weapon similar to the Hierophant, S10 Ap3 Assault 6 or something along those lines. Before you recoil in horror, this would probably be offset by BS2 or something like that. The model itself though, I can't quite put my finger on it but I kinda think that this is what the Tyrannofex *should* have been,

I'm very much looking forward to this release, might even start a small 'Nid force myself, although I'll see what the rules are like beforehand.

EXOCRINE! FETHING-A!!!

I haven't been this excited about a 40K model in years.

I'm not sure how I feel about this release. I like some of the models but the (lack of) rules leaks makes me nervous...

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Tyrant Guard looks badass! And to to those laughing about the shoulders, I take it you're all new to 40K?

Those shoulders go way beyond 40K and are well into completely over-the-top WarZone shoulder pad territory...

T

Are we approaching PP levels of shoulder pad?

I think those shoulders help the Tyranid Guard main purpose, which is being a living shield for the Hive Tyrant. Those pauldrons really look like a big shield.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Tyrant Guard looks badass! And to to those laughing about the shoulders, I take it you're all know to 40K?

Nope, I've been in the hobby for about 8 years. I still think over sized pauldrons look silly. Especially when the guard's clearly obstruct his arms a bit.

I'm not seeing the obstruction personally. If you look at the left rending claw under the whip arm it seems quite free to move around. If anything is keeping the Guard from putting its claws near its face it would be the oversized forearms.

I really like the look of the carapace too. It has a similar look to when beetles open their carapace to fly, in my opinion.

Everything looks great, I'll take 2 of everything. Hope the warrior box has wings in.

Wonder if this will be a 2 month release like Dark Elves?

Almost as if they went:

"Hey Warzone! Hey War Machine! You think you've overtaken our shoulder pads? Think again!"



Ok, now that I've finished geeking out over a 40k-scale Exocrine, here are my thoughts:

1. Tyranid Prime is ok, I guess.
2. Warriors... don't look any different.
3. Haruspex looks crazy. Can't wait to see the full thing. Surprised they went with the Haruspex over a Malefactor (aka the Transportofex), but still.
4. Harpy looks great.
5. Crone looks interesting, but it appears to only attack with the parasite bombs.
6. If anything the Crone's parasites look pretty cool.
7. "Alas poor Yarrick, I knew him well". Kind've of a weird hybrid between the original Tyrant Guard and the current Tyrant Guard. I honestly prefer the current ones - they look like big implacable mounts of flesh and armour. These look like Warriors with small heads and MASSIVE shoulder pads.
8. It's an Exocrine. It's the one thing from Epic that I always wanted them to make for 40K and they finally have. Gives me hope that we'll get a dual Malefactor/Dactylis eventually.



And best of all? No stupid bloody names. No "Tyrannofex", no "Venomthrope", and no "Pyrovore". Instead we get proper Tyranid names.

Crone will be a bomber/flamer. Look at it's mouth cannon. Harpy will likely switch to AA with some kind of s6 or s7 version of a bio gun I would guess.

Tyran wrote:I think those shoulders help the Tyranid Guard main purpose, which is being a living shield for the Hive Tyrant. Those pauldrons really look like a big shield.

willb2064 wrote:Everything looks great, I'll take 2 of everything. Hope the warrior box has wings in.

Wonder if this will be a 2 month release like Dark Elves?

No wings in the Warriors box. I hope you weren't too attached to Shrikes...

No word on a 2nd wave yet.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Almost as if they went:

"Hey Warzone! Hey War Machine! You think you've overtaken our shoulder pads? Think again!"



Ok, now that I've finished geeking out over a 40k-scale Exocrine, here are my thoughts:

1. Tyranid Prime is ok, I guess.
2. Warriors... don't look any different.
3. Haruspex looks crazy. Can't wait to see the full thing. Surprised they went with the Haruspex over a Malefactor (aka the Transportofex), but still.
4. Harpy looks great.
5. Crone looks interesting, but it appears to only attack with the parasite bombs.
6. If anything the Crone's parasites look pretty cool.
7. "Alas poor Yarrick, I knew him well". Kind've of a weird hybrid between the original Tyrant Guard and the current Tyrant Guard. I honestly prefer the current ones - they look like big implacable mounts of flesh and armour. These look like Warriors with small heads and MASSIVE shoulder pads.
8. It's an Exocrine. It's the one thing from Epic that I always wanted them to make for 40K and they finally have. Gives me hope that we'll get a dual Malefactor/Dactylis eventually.

I think the 2D picture of the Tyrant Guard make it difficult to really see just how dynamic the models are. The "strong arms" of these Tyrant Guard look more appropriate than the knuckle walking predecessors, or the skinny ones from long ago. It also looks like a creature more capable of rampaging when the Tyrant dies. GW's paint schemes for Tyranids have always been awkward, which doesn't help either.

I LOVE the big bug kit, and the flyer. I'm guessing the Crone fires not only those parasites, but also something from it's mouth.

I second the Exocrine, and this looks way better than the Armorcast version.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:We have our first winner ladies and gentlemen

1. Tyrant Guard look beyond terrible. They would literally be unable to bring their arms fully forward with those pauldrons. Last model looked good, imo.
2. I don't care enough about the exorcine model, it's more the "Here's a new big gun model!" Last one we got was BS3 for a ridiculous cost. Honestly, how many Tyranofexes do you see in lists? Do you really think the Exorcine will make it into a list?
3. Haruspex. Tyranofex model is to Exorcine model as Mawlock model is to Haruspex model. It's just plain lazy is what it is.
4. New warriors. Let's hope the rules are good enough, because I do like both warriors as a concept and the models.
5. Harpy/Crone. Good looking model, but with Tau interceptor everywhere and markerlights making FMCs fall out of the sky, will it be enough? Opposite to most, I like the idea of the wing parasites.
6. I forgot what goes here. Haruspex: I've seen enough Hentai to know where this is going.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Oh my, first overtly negative post in 12 pages. That has to be a record in the rumor section

Pretty sure when I pointed out that this codex is unlikely to fix the issues Nids have that are inherent to 6th edition itself qualifies as negative.

I dislike the new Tyrant Guard, but I'm biased toward my conversion (old tiny Screamer killer with the Tyrant Guard shield and whip).

I dunno about the Exocrine. It could be awesome, it could suck worse than the Tyrannofex. Ditto the other new big bugs. The rumors of no Spore in the codex and (apparent) lack of other transport options makes me very sad. I do like the look of most of the models though.

Oh yes, didn't notice the mouth nozzel thingy.

 streamdragon wrote:

6. I forgot what goes here. Haruspex: I've seen enough Hentai to know where this is going.

The one thing I had to say and the chance was ripped from me!

These Tyranid models look quite nice and I really like the Crone.

Sadly, my Orks will continue to weep and dry their tears with the 4th edition codex...

Crone looks like it has a major 'screamer/killer' bio plasma attack judging by those feeds to the gun-mouth.

Overall this release looks not bad, but at the same time less exciting than I thought it would be. Warriors look the same to me... Exocrine looks like the T-fex concept art in the previous codex. Harpy looks ok but I will wait to see the whole thing... I think I would have preferred to see the guns in the wings a la Harridan.

Tyrant Guard... eh... I don't hate it as much as some others, but I definitely prefer the bulky powerful current ones.

Anyways overall everything is pretty solid, but I was looking forward towards some a new zoanthrope/venomthrope box and a pyrovore/biovore box. To me, the zoes and venoms just beg for plastic, and the biovore is a blighted eyesore next to everything else and is desperate for an update... the pyrovore should have been the new biovore if you ask me.

Anyhow, hoping there will be more either with this release or at least a second wave to fill out the remaining bits and pieces.

Maybe if we're lucky GW will get over the whole "Tyranids don't know how to shoot... despite apparently growing tons of bugs who do nothing but shoot" and give the shooty things in the army a decent BS.

Anyone else notice how the new warriors are armed? A combination of weapon types. Is this a build done for show casing, or perhaps we can mix and match weapons again within the brood?

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Anyhow, hoping there will be more either with this release or at least a second wave to fill out the remaining bits and pieces.

I really do hope we get a second wave like you've described:

1. Combo Venomthrope/Zoanthrope box.
2. Combo Pyrovore/Biovore box (maybe the 4th iteration of the Biovore won't suck!).
3. Clamshell plastic Lictor.
4. Clamshell plastic Broodlord.
5. Combo Dactylis/Horuspex box.

Then I'll be the happiest little Ripper in the whole world.

Anyone feel like the Crone could be the Tryanid version of the Helldrake? Low AP torrent flamer with missiles? Yes please

I am not impressed with any of the new models. I feel like nids did not need a two month release. Maybe it is just the paint job and I will grow to like them as I see fan painted models. Let's just say I won't be starting a nid army any time soon.

I'm hoping for a cool mechanic for the Crone. Something like parasitic mind-control missiles which act like Puppet Master. Would be awesome flying around puppet-mastering enemy vehicles with it's parasite missiles.

 xttz wrote:
Imgur album for when the Warseer-hosted pics vanish: http://imgur.com/a/L7Wer

Thanks for that! Can't wait for this codex, although I won't need most of the models with all the aliens I have coming

rothrich wrote:
I feel like nids did not need a two month release.

They don't have a two month release.

rollawaythestone wrote:
I'm hoping for a cool mechanic for the Crone. Something like parasitic mind-control missiles which act like Puppet Master. Would be awesome flying around puppet-mastering enemy vehicles with it's parasite missiles.

Perhaps they latch onto enemy Flyers and chew through the armour/explode?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

rothrich wrote:
I feel like nids did not need a two month release.

They don't have a two month release.

So when are the already shown Hive Guard coming out...?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

rothrich wrote:
I feel like nids did not need a two month release.

They don't have a two month release.

I thought they were getting a second wave? That means two months of nids no?

rothrich wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

rothrich wrote:
I feel like nids did not need a two month release.

They don't have a two month release.

I thought they were getting a second wave? That means two months of nids no?

No one has confirmed a second wave.

timd wrote:
So when are the already shown Hive Guard coming out...?

The same time as everything else?

Harpy/Crone
Haruspex/Exocrine
Warriors (incl. Prime)
Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard

4 kits.

MajorTom11 wrote:Crone looks like it has a major 'screamer/killer' bio plasma attack judging by those feeds to the gun-mouth.

Overall this release looks not bad, but at the same time less exciting than I thought it would be. Warriors look the same to me... Exocrine looks like the T-fex concept art in the previous codex. Harpy looks ok but I will wait to see the whole thing... I think I would have preferred to see the guns in the wings a la Harridan.

Tyrant Guard... eh... I don't hate it as much as some others, but I definitely prefer the bulky powerful current ones.

Anyways overall everything is pretty solid, but I was looking forward towards some a new zoanthrope/venomthrope box and a pyrovore/biovore box. To me, the zoes and venoms just beg for plastic, and the biovore is a blighted eyesore next to everything else and is desperate for an update... the pyrovore should have been the new biovore if you ask me.

Anyhow, hoping there will be more either with this release or at least a second wave to fill out the remaining bits and pieces.

That wouldn't make much sense (despite it being a fictional universe) for a creature to have the muscle structure to support both flight and firing weapons that kick out of the same appendage. Probably knock himself out of the sky doing that. Wings are far too thin to house the contracting bulbous sacs commonly associated with Tyranid missile weapons.

My only concern thus far is the Heavy Support slot:

Carnifex
Tyrannofex
Trygon
Mawloc
Biovore
Exocrine
Haruspex

That's a lot of useful beastliness in the same crowded slot. Here's hoping there's a way to ally with ourselves and/or expand the FO. Granted, I don't believe you should be able to use everything you want in a normal sized game, as list building is a part of the strategy of the game, but it may present issues. Hopefully there will be different list styles with Tyranids that make most, if not all of these monsters usable in some way.

Assuming those pics came from early WD, has there been any mention of pics of the new cover art out there?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
EXOCRINE! FETHING-A!!!

I haven't been this excited about a 40K model in years.

Yeah, really good to see some Epic bugs.

I'm gonna refrain from commenting on the models until we have better pics. But I don't hate anything so far.

The new Tyrant Guard are bulky. Trust me, these models are far larger than the current/old version.

The new Haruspex makes me think of this:

"If it comes to starvation, I know what I'm doing. Take one of these, walk right out there with the fuse lit and let them take me down...Boom."

A smiley for whoever knows what movie that's from.

Tremors.
Broke into the wrong god damn rec room didn't ya!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
EXOCRINE! FETHING-A!!!

I haven't been this excited about a 40K model in years.

I don't think I have seen H.B.M.C. this happy in a LONG time.

I am excited to see what comes out. I always liked the big bugs, and while never owning a nid army, I love fighting them, so I can't wait to see what new bugs my tanks will get to shoot.

 brassangel wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Crone looks like it has a major 'screamer/killer' bio plasma attack judging by those feeds to the gun-mouth.

Overall this release looks not bad, but at the same time less exciting than I thought it would be. Warriors look the same to me... Exocrine looks like the T-fex concept art in the previous codex. Harpy looks ok but I will wait to see the whole thing... I think I would have preferred to see the guns in the wings a la Harridan.

Tyrant Guard... eh... I don't hate it as much as some others, but I definitely prefer the bulky powerful current ones.

Anyways overall everything is pretty solid, but I was looking forward towards some a new zoanthrope/venomthrope box and a pyrovore/biovore box. To me, the zoes and venoms just beg for plastic, and the biovore is a blighted eyesore next to everything else and is desperate for an update... the pyrovore should have been the new biovore if you ask me.

Anyhow, hoping there will be more either with this release or at least a second wave to fill out the remaining bits and pieces.

That wouldn't make much sense (despite it being a fictional universe) for a creature to have the muscle structure to support both flight and firing weapons that kick out of the same appendage. Probably knock himself out of the sky doing that. Wings are far too thin to house the contracting bulbous sacs commonly associated with Tyranid missile weapons.

My only concern thus far is the Heavy Support slot:

Carnifex
Tyrannofex
Trygon
Mawloc
Biovore
Exocrine
Haruspex

That's a lot of useful beastliness in the same crowded slot. Here's hoping there's a way to ally with ourselves and/or expand the FO. Granted, I don't believe you should be able to use everything you want in a normal sized game, as list building is a part of the strategy of the game, but it may present issues. Hopefully there will be different list styles with Tyranids that make most, if not all of these monsters usable in some way.

As the (very thin) rumors go, Nids will be able to ally with themselves, with the allied detachment needing 1 HQ and 2 Troops to get 1 each Elites, Fast Attack, and Heavy Support (it was posted earlier in the thread, I dunno where it's from or how reliable the rumor is).

So that would alleviate the pressure somewhat - I think most reasonable lists would already include 2 HQs, and 4 Troops isn't a stretch either, so unlocking the extra Heavy slot wouldn't be difficult.

Also I could see the Haruspex in Fast Attack and having rules similar to the CSM Maulerfiend, rushing forward to break down fortifications and eat vehicles. That would have the side benefit of making Monster Mash lists more flexible, as you'd be able to fill your FA slot with giant ground beasties as well as flying beasties.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

timd wrote:
So when are the already shown Hive Guard coming out...?

The same time as everything else?

Harpy/Crone
Haruspex/Exocrine
Warriors (incl. Prime)
Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard

4 kits.

Oops, missed the similarities between HG and TG. Tyrant Guard gets different arms and an armored bib...
Going to be a LOT of arms in that box with double left arms for the HG, double middle arms for each type of figure and whatever weapon options the TG get (LW/BS and double SC?)

I like the models so far, But I am upset that they now have the Haruspex being the troop transport instead of the Malefactor.

Take with salt - quoted from learn2eel on warseer who found it on 4chan:

>for 20pts your tervigon can roll 4d6 to spawn.
>for 15pts you can make it not shut down
>you can take both of these

WHAAAAT?

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Take with salt - quoted from learn2eel on warseer who found it on 4chan:

>for 20pts your tervigon can roll 4d6 to spawn.
>for 15pts you can make it not shut down
>you can take both of these

WHAAAAT?

Considering the original source- it was a troll.

@theunicorn - From what we know, there is no 'transport monster'. There is no indication the Haruspex performs that role. It is probably safe to say those rumours were bogus.

@tetrisphreak - I hope it's true. Even despite losing BRB powers and having to take 30 Termagants per brood (120 for 30 as opposed to 50 for 10 is a good trade though IMO) if those two upgrades are indeed real then I think Tervigon lists will still be very common. I'm betting most will skip the 4D6 upgrade and just take the "never poop out" one. I mean, come on, can you honestly imagine the look on a veteran player's face when they realize rolling triple 6s doesn't mean the Tervigon poops out anymore?

@Sinful Hero - Despite someone on 4chan being the sources of all the photos? There's no way to tell if it was the same person, and I personally am skeptical too. However, you can't deny these upgrades sound plausible.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Considering the original source- it was a troll.

Possibly. It's a cool idea though.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Take with salt - quoted from learn2eel on warseer who found it on 4chan:

>for 20pts your tervigon can roll 4d6 to spawn.
>for 15pts you can make it not shut down
>you can take both of these

WHAAAAT?

I'd believe it if they've taken out the ability to take them as troops. Which is what I've figured they might do after everyone bought 2-3 minimum.
4th-5th Carnifex all over again.

 Eldarain wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Take with salt - quoted from learn2eel on warseer who found it on 4chan:

>for 20pts your tervigon can roll 4d6 to spawn.
>for 15pts you can make it not shut down
>you can take both of these

WHAAAAT?

I'd believe it if they've taken out the ability to take them as troops. Which is what I've figured they might do after everyone bought 2-3 minimum.
4th-5th Carnifex all over again.

Nope, they're confirmed to still be Troops, with the requirement that Termagant broods must be 30 models strong to unlock them.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Take with salt - quoted from learn2eel on warseer who found it on 4chan:

>for 20pts your tervigon can roll 4d6 to spawn.
>for 15pts you can make it not shut down
>you can take both of these

I APPROVE.

 brassangel wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Crone looks like it has a major 'screamer/killer' bio plasma attack judging by those feeds to the gun-mouth.

Overall this release looks not bad, but at the same time less exciting than I thought it would be. Warriors look the same to me... Exocrine looks like the T-fex concept art in the previous codex. Harpy looks ok but I will wait to see the whole thing... I think I would have preferred to see the guns in the wings a la Harridan.

Tyrant Guard... eh... I don't hate it as much as some others, but I definitely prefer the bulky powerful current ones.

Anyways overall everything is pretty solid, but I was looking forward towards some a new zoanthrope/venomthrope box and a pyrovore/biovore box. To me, the zoes and venoms just beg for plastic, and the biovore is a blighted eyesore next to everything else and is desperate for an update... the pyrovore should have been the new biovore if you ask me.

Anyhow, hoping there will be more either with this release or at least a second wave to fill out the remaining bits and pieces.

That wouldn't make much sense (despite it being a fictional universe) for a creature to have the muscle structure to support both flight and firing weapons that kick out of the same appendage. Probably knock himself out of the sky doing that. Wings are far too thin to house the contracting bulbous sacs commonly associated with Tyranid missile weapons.

1. It could be easily argued 'not making much sense' in 40k or most sci-fi in general is a bit of a non-issue. Particularly on the aeronautics or biology fronts lol!
2. FW disagrees
3. I'm not sure your logic holds. Muscle contractions in discreet groups is fully possible. Weapon kick on a wing likewise is not necessarily as big an issue as you make it out to be either. Tons of fighters have used mounted wing weapons of various types for many, many decades.

In any case, regardless, my personal opinion of liking FW harridan style wings still holds whether you are completely right or completely wrong lol... it is, after all, just my opinion and preference. We all get em .

Maybe there is a hefty price increases? But really it won't change any tactics when fighting them.

rothrich wrote:
Maybe there is a hefty price increases? But really it won't change any tactics when fighting them.

I don't expect Tervigons themselves to go up in points, especially if they lost access to BRB psychic powers and require broods of 30 Termagants to become Troops choices. Remember, the Riptide without upgrades is sitting pretty at only 20 pesos more than a stock Tervigon....

rothrich wrote:
Maybe there is a hefty price increases? But really it won't change any tactics when fighting them.

Rest assured, there will be a hefty price increase.

Oh... you were talking about points! My bad!

My word... January might be quite the expensive month.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

rothrich wrote:
Maybe there is a hefty price increases? But really it won't change any tactics when fighting them.

Rest assured, there will be a hefty price increase.

Oh... you were talking about points! My bad!

Speaking of price increases, this is from Faeit212:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/12/january-releases-revealed-tyranids.html

New Releases January 11th
Codex Tyranids: by the Games Workshop Design Studio $49.5 £30
Tyranid Psychic Cards $6 £3.5
Tyranid Harpy/ Hive Crone $80 £48
Tyranid Haruspex/ Exocrine $73 £44
Tyranid Warriors (3 models) $51 £31
Tyranid Hive Guard/ Tyrant Guard (3 models) $70 £42.5
Carnifex Brood (2 models) $90 £55
Tyranid Swarm (95 models) $170 £105

95 models?!

I wonder if that is a "splash release" or a release similar to the "Warhost of Naggaroth".

rigeld2 wrote:Tremors.
Broke into the wrong god damn rec room didn't ya!

theunicorn wrote:I like the models so far, But I am upset that they now have the Haruspex being the troop transport instead of the Malefactor.

There's no information whatsoever to suggest the Haruspex is a transport.

MajorTom11 wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Crone looks like it has a major 'screamer/killer' bio plasma attack judging by those feeds to the gun-mouth.

Overall this release looks not bad, but at the same time less exciting than I thought it would be. Warriors look the same to me... Exocrine looks like the T-fex concept art in the previous codex. Harpy looks ok but I will wait to see the whole thing... I think I would have preferred to see the guns in the wings a la Harridan.

Tyrant Guard... eh... I don't hate it as much as some others, but I definitely prefer the bulky powerful current ones.

Anyways overall everything is pretty solid, but I was looking forward towards some a new zoanthrope/venomthrope box and a pyrovore/biovore box. To me, the zoes and venoms just beg for plastic, and the biovore is a blighted eyesore next to everything else and is desperate for an update... the pyrovore should have been the new biovore if you ask me.

Anyhow, hoping there will be more either with this release or at least a second wave to fill out the remaining bits and pieces.

That wouldn't make much sense (despite it being a fictional universe) for a creature to have the muscle structure to support both flight and firing weapons that kick out of the same appendage. Probably knock himself out of the sky doing that. Wings are far too thin to house the contracting bulbous sacs commonly associated with Tyranid missile weapons.

1. It could be easily argued 'not making much sense' in 40k or most sci-fi in general is a bit of a non-issue. Particularly on the aeronautics or biology fronts lol!
2. FW disagrees
3. I'm not sure your logic holds. Muscle contractions in discreet groups is fully possible. Weapon kick on a wing likewise is not necessarily as big an issue as you make it out to be either. Tons of fighters have used mounted wing weapons of various types for many, many decades.

In any case, regardless, my personal opinion of liking FW harridan style wings still holds whether you are completely right or completely wrong lol... it is, after all, just my opinion and preference. We all get em .

1. I said "despite being a fictional universe," so I covered that.
2. Forgeworld is an accessory to 40k, not the standard. Also, those were 3rd edition aesthetics. Tyranids have changed dramatically since then.
3. Muscle contractions wouldn't have discreet groups when the connective tissue is housed in a paper thin wing. Fighter planes are not organic, soft tissue. So really, the comparison is completely misplaced.

Opinions or not, that doesn't change when you are wrong. OOOOOH!

I'm just playing. But seriously, the opinion card is a cop out in many arguments.

What else is US$73? Riptide? Wraithknight? Gretchin?

I love the Prime. Let see if Warriors become viable as a core.
The Tyrant Guard bothers me. The previous sculpt was perfectly acceptable.
I'm not a fan of either the Exocrine or the Haruspex in those pics. I'll reserve my judgement but I have a bad feeling about both. I feel the Exocrine will look terrible from top down view, and the Haruspex's mouth tentacles just don't look right to me. Hopefully they won't be must-haves.
I love both the Crone/Harpy. The double cannon look on the Harpy kinda looks weird to me, but not enough to make me dislike them. Obviously the Crone will be the new Hellturkey, and we shall all bathe in the tears of those that face our triple crone netlist!

I really expected GW to adress our lack of transport rather than give us additionnal heavies.

@Brass

This isn't an argument. You have an opinion and so do I. I disagree with you and you with me and since neither of us is a fictional authority and science is irrelevant as a definitive deciding factor to 40k neither of us gets to be right or wrong.

It isn't a cop out to have an opinion that differs and admit my preference is just that, a preference, without trying to enforce my taste on others. It's just courtesy and a reluctance to engage in an argument where none exists since I speak only for myself.

Honestly it is that kind of attitude that leads to a lot of unnecessary friction both here and elsewhere on the webs, I can't stop you from taking a preference as something you need to vet and approve of but I can invite you to reconsider the point of doing it at all. The rest is up to you.

Now, back on topic to both of us, or I will have to ding us both for spam lol!

Faeit212:
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/12/january-releases-revealed-tyranids.html

New Releases January 11th
Codex Tyranids: by the Games Workshop Design Studio $49.5 £30
Tyranid Psychic Cards $6 £3.5
Tyranid Harpy/ Hive Crone $80 £48
Tyranid Haruspex/ Exocrine $73 £44
Tyranid Warriors (3 models) $51 £31
Tyranid Hive Guard/ Tyrant Guard (3 models) $70 £42.5
Carnifex Brood (2 models) $90 £55
Tyranid Swarm (95 models) $170 £105

Carnifex- 2 to a box? Tastes quite salty to me.

Wait, 2 Carnifexes for $90? That's a price *decrease*.
I also want to know what's in that swarm box. 95 models for $170 isn't a bad deal.

rigeld2 wrote:
Wait, 2 Carnifexes for $90? That's a price *decrease*.

so was 3 crisis suits for $65

Yup, they'd lose about $8 per 'Fex. I'd be quite happy with that. It's not much of a price drop, but still...$16 off is much better than any increase. And I was wanting to get two more anyways.

The HG/TG box is also a discount isn't it? 3/$70 instead of 1/$75?

The exorbitant prices must be linked with the packaging.

I don't think the Carnifex double box will be around for long.

Not that I need it. I think I have 10 Carnifexes. I think I have 5 unbuilt...

Possible replacement for myocetic spores is just the idea of giving lots of units the ability to deepstrike, with the fluffy explanation that the "spores burst upon impact"

 Micky wrote:
Possible replacement for myocetic spores is just the idea of giving lots of units the ability to deepstrike, with the fluffy explanation that the "spores burst upon impact"

I'd be ok with that. Spores don't need models.

 Micky wrote:
Possible replacement for myocetic spores is just the idea of giving lots of units the ability to deepstrike, with the fluffy explanation that the "spores burst upon impact"

I definitely think this is the way that it will be in the codex, I can't imagine them totally removing the concept, but definitely wouldn't be cost effective to make it a model when it's only available to a non-SM army and can easily be replaced totally by a rule. I just hope that they give a cover save like the old Mycetic Assault.

Hm, those look surprisingly well. The Haruspex has a face only a mother could love but nothing so far that I would call dissapointing. Exocrine might end up on my shelf actually and the new Tyrant Guard finally goes into the direction Roberto Cerillio once presented. Yeah... yeah I am cool with this.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Micky wrote:
Possible replacement for myocetic spores is just the idea of giving lots of units the ability to deepstrike, with the fluffy explanation that the "spores burst upon impact"

I'd be ok with that. Spores don't need models.

I concur.

 Symbio Joe wrote:
Hm, those look surprisingly well. The Haruspex has a face only a mother could love but nothing so far that I would call dissapointing. Exocrine might end up on my shelf actually and the new Tyrant Guard finally goes into the direction Roberto Cerillio once presented. Yeah... yeah I am cool with this.

Any step toward Roberto Cirillo's concepts is a good one, I don't understand all the hate toward the new Guard, personally I love it.

 Absolutionis wrote:
The exorbitant prices must be linked with the packaging.

Or, you know, new models.

My thoughts:

Prime is really basic. I'm going to assume its a unit upgrade, rather than still an HQ choice.

Warriors: lol, they look unchanged. Same derpy heads and lolling tongues.

Tyrant guards: you might just be certifiably insane to prefer the current mono-pose, finecrap models to the new dynamic, plastic, models. The carapace is a little OTT, but overall far more of a rampaging bodyguard look. I think its a win.

Exocrine: Meh, boring, uninspired... head design is what exactly? Smiling politely? And the "external brain cabling", wow. Hopefully much better in person.

Haruspex: Awesome. The best model of the release. Look at those crushing claws and gaping jaws! A win for the exact reason the exocrine fails.

Harpy: A solid realization of the concept. Top carapace is kind of unique among nids, as is the head. I like it and will buy a couple I'm sure.

Crone: Looks fine and the head is cool. Like the helldrake, I really need to see the tail end to appreciate the complete model.

Hive guard: not bad, not too keen on the long fingers though.

wow, personally I think all the models look great. the Exocrine is growing on me the more I look at it. I bet it would look better in Leviathan colors.

the 95 model swarm army deal thing kind of makes me think the tervigon rumor is true. but the idea of a T6 6W MC with eternal warrior (if the synapse rumor is true as well) that spits out 4d6 gaunts per turn and doesn't crap out is pretty redic to me.

'Spose I should build those two boxes of Gaunts I've had floating around for years. Hold on... make that 64 more Gaunts. I forgot I got another 48 in a recent bundle.

So... anyone with a solid estimate when we should see some more complete pics of the new Tyranids and find more detailed information on them?

When they go up for pre-order.

How many weeks prior to release would they go up for pre-order? 1 or 2?

Noctem wrote:
How many weeks prior to release would they go up for pre-order? 1 or 2?

Just one. The only exception to that rule I could think of was Chaos Space Marines, but even then I might be wrong there.

By the by, did anyone notice the other stuff Learn2Eel reported from 4chan that (salt required) Synapse confers Eternal Warrior (would explain Rippers going up in points and Warriors staying the same points/stats) and that you only need 30 Termagants in a detachment to unlock all Tervigons as Troops (i.e. one brood of 30 Termagants allows you to take 5 Tervigons to fill out your 6 Troops slots)?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
'Spose I should build those two boxes of Gaunts I've had floating around for years. Hold on... make that 64 more Gaunts. I forgot I got another 48 in a recent bundle.

I have a bunch of gants (and warriors, and ravenors, and a carnifex, etc.) in the boxes/spures that I have been holding off on building for a while.

On the gants, I am mainly curious as to weapon options, and its easier to change them BEFORE I have painted them....

I have been slowly selling off my tryant guard (all gone) hive guard (mostly gone) and other models preparing for the release - also just sold two tervigons.

I am really looking forward to the release - nids were one of my earlier armies, and I just love them - will be a bit disappointed if the spore is gone (I have some cool ones...but oh well).

Hmmm....I should sell off my un-painted spore pods.....just in case.

I hope the codex is strong and versatile - I think it will be, most of the recent books have been good.

I just hope they are not too good....I have shelved armies before for being OP....

davethepak wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
'Spose I should build those two boxes of Gaunts I've had floating around for years. Hold on... make that 64 more Gaunts. I forgot I got another 48 in a recent bundle.

I have a bunch of gants (and warriors, and ravenors, and a carnifex, etc.) in the boxes/spures that I have been holding off on building for a while.

On the gants, I am mainly curious as to weapon options, and its easier to change them BEFORE I have painted them....

I have been slowly selling off my tryant guard (all gone) hive guard (mostly gone) and other models preparing for the release - also just sold two tervigons.

I am really looking forward to the release - nids were one of my earlier armies, and I just love them - will be a bit disappointed if the spore is gone (I have some cool ones...but oh well).

Hmmm....I should sell off my un-painted spore pods.....just in case.

I hope the codex is strong and versatile - I think it will be, most of the recent books have been good.

I just hope they are not too good....I have shelved armies before for being OP....

From what I can tell, there are downsides (no BRB psychic powers, some units that were weak stayed the same apparently) but there are a lot of goods we know of as well (Carnifexes did drop in points, Hormagaunts/Termagants dropped in points, army-wide Move Through Cover, etc). There are some unconfirmed things that sound awesome (unique Tervigon upgrades related to spawning, Synapse conferring Eternal Warrior, etc) but we don't know enough to really know. As it stands, I think while there are definitely negatives, the positives outweigh the good from what we know and speculate.

davethepak wrote:
I have a bunch of gants (and warriors, and ravenors, and a carnifex, etc.) in the boxes/spures that I have been holding off on building for a while.

My current "to build" list for Tyranids sits at:

1 Flyrant
2 Tervigons
2 Tyrannofexes
5 Carnifexes
6 Raveners
16 Hormagaunts
24-30 Ripper bases (give or take)
50 Gargoyles
64 Termagants

It's... a lot.

davethepak wrote:
On the gants, I am mainly curious as to weapon options, and its easier to change them BEFORE I have painted them....I have been slowly selling off my tryant guard (all gone) hive guard (mostly gone) and other models preparing for the release - also just sold two tervigons.

I am really looking forward to the release - nids were one of my earlier armies, and I just love them - will be a bit disappointed if the spore is gone (I have some cool ones...but oh well).

Hmmm....I should sell off my un-painted spore pods.....just in case.

I was planning on building a bunch of Devourer Termagants, but I'm not sure now. Devourer Gants have never really been any good, but I like the look of them. The gun is so much more substantial than the Fleshborer. I love my Tyrant Guard. Big slabs of flesh and chitin just sitting there in front of my Tyrants. I like the new ones, but I'm unsure if I'd build any that way. I'd probably use 'em as fancy Primes. The Hive Guard though, well I went out of my way to purchase none of those in metal or FineCost (especially not at AUD$41 a pop!). Now they're in plastic I'm glad I waited.

I'm really curious to see what the FOC is going to look like.

As of right now, the Exocrine looks like a better Tyrannofex

I'm looking forward to the new rules though. To bad the release is a full month away!

What do you guys think would be some good kits to load up on now before the new release? Purely speculation of course.

Gargoyles are always a good (and safe) buy, in my opinion.

Eldercaveman wrote:
What do you guys think would be some good kits to load up on now before the new release? Purely speculation of course.

Termagants and maybe Hormagaunts. Tervigons seem a safe bet as well. Aside from that, it's a crap shoot really.
EDIT: And yes, Gargoyles as well, especially as we know they kept Blinding Venom. DOUBLE EDIT: Hey, if Hormagaunts and Termagants both dropped a point per model....might Gargoyles have as well?

DO IT TO IT wrote:
Gargoyles are always a good (and safe) buy, in my opinion.

I may nip into my LGS tomorrow and pick up a few kits in anticipation.

DO IT TO IT wrote:
Gargoyles are always a good (and safe) buy, in my opinion.

Yep, I love me some Gargoyles!

rollawaythestone wrote:
And the Harpy dual kit, the Crone!

Is any one else thinking Baleflamer when they see that mouth weapon?

Eldercaveman wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
And the Harpy dual kit, the Crone!

Is any one else thinking Baleflamer when they see that mouth weapon?

It does look like a flamer. And a bomber, which is neat. I just hope the flamer doesn't suck. Or the Bombs. There really haven't been any good bombers yet. Not even the Nightshroud was good for it's points level.

Tarnag wrote:

 Symbio Joe wrote:
Hm, those look surprisingly well. The Haruspex has a face only a mother could love but nothing so far that I would call dissapointing. Exocrine might end up on my shelf actually and the new Tyrant Guard finally goes into the direction Roberto Cerillio once presented. Yeah... yeah I am cool with this.

Any step toward Roberto Cirillo's concepts is a good one, I don't understand all the hate toward the new Guard, personally I love it.

Agreed about the Tyrant Guard. It's much better than the previous two takes.

Another bit I picked up:

Tyranid Termagant Brood (20 models-online only) $33 £20
Tyranid Hormagaunt Brood (20 models-online only) $33 £20

The following are mail order only.
Zoanthrope
Broodlord
Lictor
Venomthrope
Red Terror

Does this confirm a 2nd wave to make plastic the Zoan/Venom? Perhaps clamshells for the Broodlord and Lictor? What about the prices on those 'gants/'gaunts? That's cheaper than some online retailers. GW for the win?

Thoughts?

I would think gants would be good to pick up as well.

Maybe a trygon? Not sure about others.

My nid "build list" has been halted for a few months, in waiting for the new dex.

It includes;

Harpy conversion (cancelled).
2 M Spores (prolly cancelled).
1 Mawloc/Trygon
1 Tervigon (sold the other two)
1 zoey
1 hive guard
3 raveners
1 nid defense line
3 flying rippers (love these things!!!).
6 warriors
8 Hormagants
24 termagants
2 Barbed Hierodules
1 Scythed Hierodule
1 Heriophant

I sold off a bunch of other stuff in anticipation of the new book - I may try to sell off some of my current warriors, in hopes of getting new ones.

So far, I either like the new models (most of them) or am going to reserve final judgment until I see them in person (tyrant guard). I know in the past some of the pics of models have just not done them justice.

one note on the new flyers/bugs - they don't look like they will be easy to convert between them. Which is a bummer.

Currently I have my trygons magnetized so they can be mawlocs, and my tervigons magnetized (this was a pain) to be t-fexes.

 Sasori wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
And the Harpy dual kit, the Crone!

Is any one else thinking Baleflamer when they see that mouth weapon?

It does look like a flamer. And a bomber, which is neat. I just hope the flamer doesn't suck. Or the Bombs. There really haven't been any good bombers yet. Not even the Nightshroud was good for it's points level.

I also like they've incorporated the scything talon into the arm that is the wing. It's easier to spot in the ?Harpy picture.

Thesse new models have got me excited about nids again!
I really like the models.

Oh I forgot I had a pair of Hierodules. Haven't used 'em yet, so I hope FW updates their rules.

 Sasori wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
And the Harpy dual kit, the Crone!

Is any one else thinking Baleflamer when they see that mouth weapon?

It does look like a flamer. And a bomber, which is neat. I just hope the flamer doesn't suck. Or the Bombs. There really haven't been any good bombers yet. Not even the Nightshroud was good for it's points level.

Yep, Endobai confirmed it is a fighter-bomber, and that the 'missiles' are anti-air missiles. I guess that means either it has replaced the Harpy in terms of dropping Spore Mines, or the weapon in its mouth is a torrent flamer of some sort.

Caederes wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
And the Harpy dual kit, the Crone!

Is any one else thinking Baleflamer when they see that mouth weapon?

It does look like a flamer. And a bomber, which is neat. I just hope the flamer doesn't suck. Or the Bombs. There really haven't been any good bombers yet. Not even the Nightshroud was good for it's points level.

Yep, Endobai confirmed it is a fighter-bomber, and that the 'missiles' are anti-air missiles. I guess that means either it has replaced the Harpy in terms of dropping Spore Mines, or the weapon in its mouth is a torrent flamer of some sort.

That sounds really useful. What would the role of the Harpy even be, compared to that thing?

Not too impressed by the Warriors so far, swords and whips are nice but the price increase is rather steep for a Troops box. The Prime is a sexy addition and looks about as as I have always imagined it (never understood those Tyrant to Prime conversions).

Also, I wonder if Rippers are still included, since no new Tyranid kit had them.

DO IT TO IT wrote:

Caederes wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
And the Harpy dual kit, the Crone!

Is any one else thinking Baleflamer when they see that mouth weapon?

It does look like a flamer. And a bomber, which is neat. I just hope the flamer doesn't suck. Or the Bombs. There really haven't been any good bombers yet. Not even the Nightshroud was good for it's points level.

Yep, Endobai confirmed it is a fighter-bomber, and that the 'missiles' are anti-air missiles. I guess that means either it has replaced the Harpy in terms of dropping Spore Mines, or the weapon in its mouth is a torrent flamer of some sort.

That sounds really useful. What would the role of the Harpy even be, compared to that thing?

The Harpy will probably be a better anti-infantry specialist. Too early to tell though.

Mixed bag here.

The Haruspex looks a bit odd, though I appreciate that the picture isn't the clearest. I'm not too impressed with the flyers either as they look too plane-like. It's like they've just got a plane and made it look "alive". Be interesting to see the whole model and how poseable it is. I'm hoping it's a FMC too, normal Flyers don't really suit Nids. Finally, the Tyranid Warriors look very similar to the current one, so, atm, I'm not thinking that they'll be worth the inevitable price increase.

On the other hand, the Tyranid Prime and Tyrant Guard look very cool, which is good! Still very excited for the new Codex though!

And yeah, the Crone just screams "Tyranid Helldrake" to me

 brassangel wrote:

Another bit I picked up:

Tyranid Termagant Brood (20 models-online only) $33 £20
Tyranid Hormagaunt Brood (20 models-online only) $33 £20

The following are mail order only.
Zoanthrope
Broodlord
Lictor
Venomthrope
Red Terror

Does this confirm a 2nd wave to make plastic the Zoan/Venom? Perhaps clamshells for the Broodlord and Lictor? What about the prices on those 'gants/'gaunts? That's cheaper than some online retailers. GW for the win?

Thoughts?

Assuming they're true, I think those 20-model boxes will be a limited offer for the release, just like Ghost Warriors etc.

Finecast stuff going direct-only isn't much of a shock. I read this as GW trying to keep a closer eye on these items; running down any product-specific packaging for them, reducing the number of these units in the supply chain, and generally preparing the way for a future plastic kit replacement. I doubt they'll appear any time soon, as there are more pressing plastic kits to be working on for other ranges, but I have no doubt we'll see the following in future Nid releases:

Zoanthrope / Venomthrope / Gavthrope box
Re-done Genestealers with Broodlord/Ymgarl options
Biovore/Pyrovore kit
Lictor/Deathleaper kit/box

Kinda curious now to see what the cover art of the codex will be like.

 ergotoxin wrote:
Not too impressed by the Warriors so far, swords and whips are nice but the price increase is rather steep for a Troops box. The Prime is a sexy addition and looks about as as I have always imagined it (never understood those Tyrant to Prime conversions).

That's one of the annoying things about these kits that get a few new options yet shoot up in price; the box still only makes 3 models. Having extra options doesn't change that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
Not too impressed by the Warriors so far, swords and whips are nice but the price increase is rather steep for a Troops box. The Prime is a sexy addition and looks about as as I have always imagined it (never understood those Tyrant to Prime conversions).

That's one of the annoying things about these kits that get a few new options yet shoot up in price; the box still only makes 3 models. Having extra options doesn't change that.

That's true, but we are saving on the Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard. $90 is now $70 or whatever for 3. The online-only gaunts are cheaper, as is the Carnifex brood of 2.

Now we don't have to buy and kit-bash a Trygon and a Flyrant to make the Harpy either. $80 is steep for one box, but it's better than wrecking 2 kits totaling around $107.

The average Armorcast Exocrine was right around $105 on eBay for a while. This plastic variation is much better, and also makes the Haruspex.

 BrookM wrote:
Kinda curious now to see what the cover art of the codex will be like.

I predict a single figure in relative close-up, perhaps just the upper half of the body.

Like all the other ones.

Now we just have to wait a month+ to get our hands on the rules!

 brassangel wrote:
That's true, but we are saving on the Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard. $90 is now $70 or whatever for 3. The online-only gaunts are cheaper, as is the Carnifex brood of 2.

The average Armorcast Exocrine was right around $105 on eBay for a while. This plastic variation is much better, and also makes the Haruspex.

And? Those things are great (although those online deals will go away), but none of those things make Warriors any cheaper, nor do they allow you to build any more than the same 3 Warriors as before. Pricing a kit based on the potential units that can come from a single box isn't a good way to do pricing. It doesn't matter if the box has the capacity for one type of unit or ten types of units - if it can only build one unit out of all its options, it's not worth extra cost beyond material costs.

It's why the price increase on the Baneblade was so obscene when they threw in the Shadow Sword sprues. Sure, now the kit can make 8 different variants... but it can still only make one tank, and leave you with tons of bits you don't need.


Now don't get me wrong - I like the way we have kits that can build different units. It makes sense in every way (monetarily, shelf space, shipping, stock issues etc.), but when you take a unit that already exists, throw in a new hat, and then charge more for those same creatures it's a bit of a stretch to say that it's reasonable in any way. If the Warriors built Shrikes, different story, but from all accounts they do not.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
That's true, but we are saving on the Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard. $90 is now $70 or whatever for 3. The online-only gaunts are cheaper, as is the Carnifex brood of 2.

The average Armorcast Exocrine was right around $105 on eBay for a while. This plastic variation is much better, and also makes the Haruspex.

And? Those things are great (although those online deals will go away), but none of those things make Warriors any cheaper, nor do they allow you to build any more than the same 3 Warriors as before. Pricing a kit based on the potential units that can come from a single box isn't a good way to do pricing. It doesn't matter if the box has the capacity for one type of unit or ten types of units - if it can only build one unit out of all its options, it's not worth extra cost beyond material costs.

It's why the price increase on the Baneblade was so obscene when they threw in the Shadow Sword sprues. Sure, now the kit can make 8 different variants... but it can still only make one tank, and leave you with tons of bits you don't need.

Or people use magnets and have whatever variation they want, when they want it, for the price of one tank. It's a price of convenience (and not having to buy another tank).

It's not great, but these Warriors will sell like hotcakes and not stop GW from continuing to do it. And again, they cut us breaks in 5 other ways, even if the gaunts prices will change down the road.

 brassangel wrote:
Or people use magnets and have whatever variation they want, when they want it, for the price of one tank. It's a price of convenience (and not having to buy another tank).

The price is inconvenient.

And most people don't do the whole magnet thing. They build their big tank and go "What do I do with these? Was this the reason I paid so much more?".

Where the news about gaunts being direct-only?

Love the Harpy... I can take the Warrior price increases as we have a bunch already, but I hope they don't ratchet up the other prices - I guess their justification is that the bonesword/lashwhips are now included, as opposed to being a 15 Euro bitz upgrade.

Glad I kept a few sprues of Gargoyles, I can see a Flying Circus on its way. Hope we get some good flyer rules. And personally I"m delighted if there's no Mycetic Spores. as we use 4 there would have been some serious wallet damage.

I haven't played Tyranids since 3rd edition... are termagaunts really better than hormagaunts?

Is a shooty Tyranid army better than a close combat army?

How the heck can anyone tell you this, when a new Codex is around the corner?

Consensus is the Doom is definitely gone. We will have to take our our of retirement for a few last nostalgic sallies.

Noctem wrote:
I haven't played Tyranids since 3rd edition... are termagaunts really better than hormagaunts?

Is a shooty Tyranid army better than a close combat army?

Keep in mind, that this could all change come January.

Yes, Termagaunts are better than Hormaguants. In large part thanks to Tervigons, which can buff the Termagaunts with Poison and Furious charge, in addition to being able to create more Termagaunts. Being able to shoot, and charge with those benefits for cheaper than Hormagaunts is huge. It's the same principal why Shoota boyz are better than regular Boyz. Termagaunts also unlock a T6 Scoring MC, which is also a pretty big deal.

Right now, the mechanics of sixth make shooting superior to close combat. Perhaps Nids will have some special rules to help with this, but we will see.

I know no one can speak for the new codex, I was more asking about how people have more recently been playing them, and what some of the most used units are. I know no one is psychic, don't worry!

The Harpy model looks pretty sweet, but I'm iffy about the Haruspex and the Exocrine. Exocrine basically looks like a bigger pyrovore

Yay, finally!
January is going to be an expensive month!

 Sasori wrote:

Noctem wrote:
I haven't played Tyranids since 3rd edition... are termagaunts really better than hormagaunts?

Is a shooty Tyranid army better than a close combat army?

Keep in mind, that this could all change come January.

Yes, Termagaunts are better than Hormaguants. In large part thanks to Tervigons, which can buff the Termagaunts with Poison and Furious charge, in addition to being able to create more Termagaunts. Being able to shoot, and charge with those benefits for cheaper than Hormagaunts is huge. It's the same principal why Shoota boyz are better than regular Boyz. Termagaunts also unlock a T6 Scoring MC, which is also a pretty big deal.

Right now, the mechanics of sixth make shooting superior to close combat. Perhaps Nids will have some special rules to help with this, but we will see.

That makes sense. Thanks! I've always loved the Hormagaunt model way more than the Terma's though =(

Could you quit spamming the thread and askling about history? There are about one million threads already where you can find out about termagants, or simply read the existing codex!

Looks like Tervigons get a points hike, I wonder if the rumours about a cut in points for Termagants and Hormagaunts will prove correct.

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Could you quit spamming the thread and askling about history? There are about one million threads already where you can find out about termagants, or simply read the existing codex!

Looks like Tervigons get a points hike, I wonder if the rumours about a cut in points for Termagants and Hormagaunts will prove correct.

Where did you see Tervigons got a price hike? The only details we've seen say that you need to take broods of 30 Termagants to make them Troops, not that the Tervigons themselves got more expensive.

They are. Hormagaunts are 5 points per model, Termagants are 4 points per model.

The rumours aren't that definitive, mainly the words "gaunt tax", so you could be right, there could simply be the 30 gant minimum, as opposed to the existing 10.

That in itself could be a great thing, I would love to see even more massive swarms on the table.

Caederes wrote:

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Could you quit spamming the thread and askling about history? There are about one million threads already where you can find out about termagants, or simply read the existing codex!

Looks like Tervigons get a points hike, I wonder if the rumours about a cut in points for Termagants and Hormagaunts will prove correct.

Where did you see Tervigons got a price hike? The only details we've seen say that you need to take broods of 30 Termagants to make them Troops, not that the Tervigons themselves got more expensive.

They are. Hormagaunts are 5 points per model, Termagants are 4 points per model.

That's reassuring. I just hope the upgrades on the Hormagaunts are cheaper, 4 points a model for poison and furious charge is way to much.

Small price decreases like this, really add up quickly. I may have to get even more Termagaunts though, if the spawning rule and 30 brood unlock is true!

Okay, we don't know the rules yet (well except the made up ones by BOLS ).
But still I am concerned about the playability of tyranids in the upcoming Codex:

1.) No Allies. Only faction without allies.
2.) No Inquisition boost.
3.) No manned fortifications. Only faction without manned fortifications.
4.) Hordes crippled by defensive fire.
5.) Only transport rumoured to be deleted
6.) Half the cool characters rumoured to be deleted
7.) Only means to get back troops (via Tervigon) for objectives rumoured to be nerfed big time.
8.) We get a second Tyrannofex, as if 2x S10 is bad. Granted the current model is lazy and can't even stand, but 2 models for basically the same? Looks like one will be nerfed.
9.) Big new close combat moster in a shoot out.
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far.
11.) Genestealers rumoured to stay useless.
12.) No GW Lord of War, while others have it. Only 385$ FW model.

Currently I only see nerfs for an already nerfed army. Even a Helldrake level Crone wouldn't change that. So I don't see how Tyranids will be playable in a competitive way.

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
Could you quit spamming the thread and askling about history? There are about one million threads already where you can find out about termagants, or simply read the existing codex!

Looks like Tervigons get a points hike, I wonder if the rumours about a cut in points for Termagants and Hormagaunts will prove correct.

Jeez, cranky old man much? I posted a couple times, don't really consider that spamming. I also don't have the codex, and was asking a simple question (that someone else answered nicely). Take a chill pill.

And it's happened. Kroothawk is now me.

Bring on the Exocrines!!!


And we could still get Doom via BL DLC!

 Kroothawk wrote:
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far

According to Endobai, the Crone has dedicated anti-air wargear; those parasite looking missiles are apparently anti-aircraft, possibly with guidance.

 Redemption wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far

According to Endobai, the Crone has dedicated anti-air wargear; those parasite looking missiles are apparently anti-aircraft, possibly with guidance.

It's apparently quite amazing at the task. It has a S8 vector strike and specialized AA missiles, plus a ground template.

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far

According to Endobai, the Crone has dedicated anti-air wargear; those parasite looking missiles are apparently anti-aircraft, possibly with guidance.

It's apparently quite amazing at the task. It has a S8 vector strike and specialized AA missiles, plus a ground template.

Wow, that's sounds good. I wonder what the strength of the Missiles are.

I hope they updated the armor save. a 4+ save just does not cut it on a MC, especially with things like Missilesides.

Edit: Perhaps we'll get lucky, and get a special rule that prevents them from getting grounded, or modifies the grounding test. Maybe passing it on a 2+.

 Redemption wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far

According to Endobai, the Crone has dedicated anti-air wargear; those parasite looking missiles are apparently anti-aircraft, possibly with guidance.

Okay, found the quote. But if everyone else is now good at shooting down flyers first round, a flying anti-air is not very helpfull.

Endobai over at Warseer wrote:

Were you talking about the parasite bomb-bugs?

These are not bombs, but anti-air missiles. The Crone is a fighter-bomber with attacking enemy fliers as its primary task.
From the description they might be self-guided to some degree.
It definetely is a flamer-like weapon, but secondary to the air combat task the creature is responsible for.
(...)

Has anyone seen the codex cover yet?

The center piece of the release...

Tyrant Guards

They look much better and have several weapon options. This image although good to show the model doesn't do the unit much justice.
They are really nice with crushing claws.

 Kroothawk wrote:

8.) We get a second Tyrannofex, as if 2x S10 is bad. Granted the current model is lazy and can't even stand, but 2 models for basically the same? Looks like one will be nerfed.

We'll see about the true rules, but if they got their inspiration from Epic, the Exocrine will not be a "second Tyrannofex"...rather some kind of big bio-artillery.

And that would change A LOT of things for tyrannids.

Plus we don't know what changes the Tyrannofex will undergo.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus we don't know what changes the Tyrannofex will undergo.

Hopefully a significant price reduction, and increase in BS by one.


For those of you familiar with the Bio-Weapon of the Exocrine, are expecting something like large blasts and Barrage? Like a super Biovore?

Tyrant Guards

They look much better and have several weapon options. This image although good to show the model doesn't do the unit much justice.
They are really nice with crushing claws.

That's new!! I believe right now it gives d3+1 A right? Used to be d6 well if its the former and they also gain half decent ap on them (even with I1) that could be a lot of damage

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus we don't know what changes the Tyrannofex will undergo.

Well, it'll be cheaper apparently, Vhalyar was speaking about the Carnifex being ~75% of its current cost, and a Tyrannofex with Rupture Cannon being about 80% of its current cost.

Aaaaand the Warseer thread is deleted...

Indeed. I would ha e thought the T-Fex having the now smaller more agile big gun would have been an ideal candidate for ground based AA.

I was so hoping that Stealers would get a buff.

 Sasori wrote:
For those of you familiar with the Bio-Weapon of the Exocrine, are expecting something like large blasts and Barrage? Like a super Biovore?

It's a bio-plasma cannon with 2 fire modes, so I'd expect some form of reasonable strength AP2 blast weapon to be one of the fire modes.

 Redemption wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus we don't know what changes the Tyrannofex will undergo.

Well, it'll be cheaper apparently, Vhalyar was speaking about the Carnifex being ~75% of its current cost, and a Tyrannofex with Rupture Cannon being about 80% of its current cost.

Aaaaand the Warseer thread is deleted...

120 point Carnifex, and a 220 point Tyrannofex would be pretty reasonable.

Well, this Exocrine sure has a lot of similarities with biovors, but I'm not sure it will act the same since it was the Dactylis that was acting more like "big barrage bio-weapon".

Of course, they could change that completely, we don't know. But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

Codex will tell, as usual.

 Sarouan wrote:
But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

I do hope so. That's what it's meant to be.

And maybe, just maybe, GW won't be afraid to let some Tyranids have a Toughness higher than 6.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

I do hope so. That's what it's meant to be.

And maybe, just maybe, GW won't be afraid to let some Tyranids have a Toughness higher than 6.

I'm calling it. The Exocrine is a Lord of War

I mean, according to lexicanum's classification thingamajig, they are meant to be larger than Carnifexes and Tyrannofexes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

I do hope so. That's what it's meant to be.

And maybe, just maybe, GW won't be afraid to let some Tyranids have a Toughness higher than 6.

I could see the Haruspex having T8 (Possible the Exocrine as well) This would go a long way in solving the issue of surviving into CC.

 Sasori wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus we don't know what changes the Tyrannofex will undergo.

Hopefully a significant price reduction, and increase in BS by one.


For those of you familiar with the Bio-Weapon of the Exocrine, are expecting something like large blasts and Barrage? Like a super Biovore?

In Epic the Exocrine was a anti-tank unit with a really long range, basically a Tyranid analogue to the Basilisk. I'd be expecting something along the lines of a S8/9 large blast ruleswise.

The Tyrannofex will probably be tweaked into more of a forward linebreaker, with various weapon options akin to some Leman Russ variants.

 Sasori wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

I do hope so. That's what it's meant to be.

And maybe, just maybe, GW won't be afraid to let some Tyranids have a Toughness higher than 6.

I could see the Haruspex having T8 (Possible the Exocrine as well) This would go a long way in solving the issue of surviving into CC.

Except eldar blade storm, dark eldar poison, and kroot snipers care not for toughness.

The army needs resistance to poison OR cheaper units OR area effect feel no pain, I believe.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
But I would rather think the Exocrine will be more like a "bio-Leman Russ" in the spirit.

I do hope so. That's what it's meant to be.

And maybe, just maybe, GW won't be afraid to let some Tyranids have a Toughness higher than 6.

I could see the Haruspex having T8 (Possible the Exocrine as well) This would go a long way in solving the issue of surviving into CC.

Except eldar blade storm, dark eldar poison, and kroot snipers care not for toughness.

The army needs resistance to poison OR cheaper units OR area effect feel no pain, I believe.

The Wraithknight is in the same boat, but it really doesn't have a huge issue with these things. True, it is faster and has some nice long range weapons, but I find mine very very rarely die. Even with Poison, Bladestorm, and Snipers going though 6 T8 3+ wounds is actually not that easy to do.

So, while it is an issue, T8 solves the biggest issues of the Meta, which is volume of fire. I tend to be much more worried about Scatter+Shield than Bladestorm for instance. Pulse Rifle Spam, Missilesides with Buffmander, etc etc. T8 really helps with all of this.

A better Haruspex image:

 xttz wrote:
A better Haruspex image:

Thanks for that. What I thought was a claw, is actually it's Tongue! Nice.

Aww, it looks so cute!

 xttz wrote:
A better Haruspex image:

I can easily seen that being T8 w6 sv2+ from that images

 Sasori wrote:


Thanks for that. What I thought was a claw, is actually it's Tongue! Nice.

Wonder if it can grab vehicles with it and pull them closer for feeding on...

 xttz wrote:
A better Haruspex image:

If it can't single out and eat enemy models during the shooting phase (with no saves allowed) then i'm not buying more than 1 of them.

 xttz wrote:
In Epic the Exocrine was a anti-tank unit with a really long range, basically a Tyranid analogue to the Basilisk.

Wasn't that the Dactylis?

That is one cool looking model - but I don't see it carrying any nids to battle. No transportofex after all. Basically every BOLS rumor is debunked with these photos.

 xttz wrote:
A better Haruspex image:

O .... Wow!

I just wish GW would get it into their heads that releasing a popular army BEFORE Xmas would actually generate them some sales.

I'd love to be able to put these guys and their codex on my Xmas or Birthday wishlist, as I am sure would other folks.

I like the full shot of the Hauspex (although not enough to pointlessly requote it )

So far I'm looking at Psy Cards, codex, two flyer kits and a pair of the Exocrine/Haus'.

Oh hey, part of the codex cover!

Eh...way better than our current cover art but it lacks something the space marine and tau books had. Can't put my finger on it.

Thanks for the pics! Now someone PM endobai on warseer and get him to post in this thread.

That is some excellent looking Artwork!

Vhalyar - do you have a white dwarf? And if so, any bits gleaned from the battle report?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 xttz wrote:
In Epic the Exocrine was a anti-tank unit with a really long range, basically a Tyranid analogue to the Basilisk.

Wasn't that the Dactylis?

The Dactylis was more of a barrage unit, hitting a wide area with a weaker attack just like a Griffon. Under Epic rules, the Dactylis used a barrage template while the Exocrine fired single shots.

Wasn't the Exocrines gun rumoured to be a weapon type Nids didn't have before? Could it possible be an Ordnance weapon?

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
10.) No dedicated anti-air unit known so far

According to Endobai, the Crone has dedicated anti-air wargear; those parasite looking missiles are apparently anti-aircraft, possibly with guidance.

It's apparently quite amazing at the task. It has a S8 vector strike and specialized AA missiles, plus a ground template.

Woah! A Strength 8 Vector Strike!? Holy crap! I wonder how good the ground template is. Would certainly make it a worthwhile flyer even when flyers aren't around if the template is any good.
I saw earlier that Carnifexes are 120 base, and Tyrannofexes are about 220 base. Not bad at all! However, I think the Tyrannofex should have dropped quite a bit more, that is unless its' profile and guns were buffed. The reality is, it is inferior to the Riptide that is 50 points cheaper if the rules stay the same!

By the by mate, sorry to ask, but do you know anything about changes to Synapse and Shadow in the Warp?
Are the "Tervigon spawning upgrades" real? Do you know anything about the rules for the two big monsters?
Any answers you give are much appreciated Cheers!

Leggy wrote:
Wasn't the Exocrines gun rumoured to be a weapon type Nids didn't have before? Could it possible be an Ordnance weapon?

No, the comment was from Endobai concerning the weapon of the Crone.

Anyway, some tidbits from the batrep. Am I going to be slammed for posting points? Maybe, I'll remove them if I get asked.

Exocrine is 170 points
Exocrine firing modes are large blast or 6 S7 AP2 shots.
Crone is 155 points.
Harpy is 135 with the TL stranglers, 25 pts cheaper.
Venomthropes are 45, 10 pts cheaper.
Trygon Prime is 230, 10 pts cheaper.
Fex and Tfex I already mentioned, but due to biomorphs it's only an estimation.

e: Flyrant with double TL devs, wings and 2 powers is 230 pts. 30 pts cheaper than the same build right now.

The new Nid models look great. I love the big stuff, the Guards and the flyer. With a good paintjob (GW's one is truly awful) they'll no doubt be one of the best looking armies in 40K and it'll be all plastic to boot.

To be honest, it's quite incredible how many cool kits the Nids have. The Tyrant, Carnifex, Tervigon, Tyrannofex and Trygon are great models (and conversions make them even better) and now they'll add Haruspex, Harpy and Exocrine to the collection. No other army in the game comes even close to how many modern big kits they have.

Even Tau, which I like a lot visually, pretty much only have one modern kit, the Riptide. Same thing for Eldar. The Nids have half a dozen.

Regarding the 'new' Warriors and their similarity to the current ones.

I wonder if the similarity is due to them simply substituting the existing 'accessory/weapons' sprue out for a recut one featuring the Dynasty Warrior upgrade, plastic LW/BS and possibly other new weapons?

There is nothing wrong with the sculpting of the current TW's. I think they have withstood the passage of time extremely well.

And yes, it would be nice to see better Toughness and/or INV saves on the really big guys (and the Fex and Tyrant but I'm not that naïve.

 Vhalyar wrote:

Leggy wrote:
Wasn't the Exocrines gun rumoured to be a weapon type Nids didn't have before? Could it possible be an Ordnance weapon?

No, the comment was from Endobai concerning the weapon of the Crone.

Anyway, some tidbits from the batrep. Am I going to be slammed for posting points? Maybe, I'll remove them if I get asked.

Exocrine is 170 points
Exocrine firing modes are large blast or 6 S7 AP2 shots.
Crone is 155 points.
Harpy is 135 with the TL stranglers, 25 pts cheaper.
Venomthropes are 45, 10 pts cheaper.
Trygon Prime is 230, 10 pts cheaper.
Fex and Tfex I already mentioned, but due to biomorphs it's only an estimation.

Yowza!
The Exocrine sounds crazy! 170 points for a better gun (before Markerlight support) than the Riptide's Ion Accelerator, I wonder what its' Ballistic Skill and stats are though? Honestly, that sounds like a great unit! I'm guessing the large blast is S8 AP2 Ordnance to justify not taking 6 S7 AP2 shots....
Crone is 155 points? I wonder what their stats are, but a Strength 8 Vector Strike probably means Toughness 6 and 3+ armour save, probably with 4 wounds. Hopefully. This thing sounds absolutely ridiculous.
Harpy at 135 points.....wow that's sick. As long as it isn't T5 W4 4+ armour save it will be really awesome.
The other stuff is very cool.

Swarmlord is 285, 5 pts more.
Tervigon with crushing claw is 210 (!) and one power, 25 pts more than current. It's possible you need to buy the first mastery level for them now.

 Vhalyar wrote:
Swarmlord is 285, 5 pts more.
Tervigon with crushing claw is 210 (!) and one power, 25 pts more than current. It's possible you need to buy the first mastery level for them now.

Swarmlord being more expensive gives me hope. Most MCs thus far have gotten cheaper at the expense reduced ++saves and general durability (AoK comes to mind). Hopefully this means the Swarmlord remains a CC monster that's also very durable to boot.

The Exocrine sounds crazy! 170 points for a better gun (before Markerlight support) than the Riptide's Ion Accelerator, I wonder what its' Ballistic Skill and stats are though?

I'd guess BS3 T6 W5 and SV 3+. If it's any better than it's underpriced. Maybe it can buy SV2+ or even additional BS as biomorphs for extra points, who knows, but 170 points can't be much better than that.

Any idea if the two new big 'uns are better than T6?

Vhalyar wrote:

Leggy wrote:
Wasn't the Exocrines gun rumoured to be a weapon type Nids didn't have before? Could it possible be an Ordnance weapon?

No, the comment was from Endobai concerning the weapon of the Crone.

Anyway, some tidbits from the batrep. Am I going to be slammed for posting points? Maybe, I'll remove them if I get asked.

Exocrine is 170 points
Exocrine firing modes are large blast or 6 S7 AP2 shots.
Crone is 155 points.
Harpy is 135 with the TL stranglers, 25 pts cheaper.
Venomthropes are 45, 10 pts cheaper.
Trygon Prime is 230, 10 pts cheaper.
Fex and Tfex I already mentioned, but due to biomorphs it's only an estimation.

e: Flyrant with double TL devs, wings and 2 powers is 230 pts. 30 pts cheaper than the same build right now.

Vhalyar wrote:Swarmlord is 285, 5 pts more.
Tervigon with crushing claw is 210 (!) and one power, 25 pts more than current. It's possible you need to buy the first mastery level for them now.

Who are they facing in the bat rep? Does Swarmlord seem as Killy as he was before?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Any idea if the two new big 'uns are better than T6?

Stats unknown as far as I could see, sorry.

At least we know now how the Exocrine and Tyrannofex differ in their roles. I think the TFex is still described as the tankiest one around, but I can't confirm that - too much to digest in one night until 3am.
The Swarmlord is ML3 as a note.

 Souleater wrote:
Regarding the 'new' Warriors and their similarity to the current ones.

I wonder if the similarity is due to them simply substituting the existing 'accessory/weapons' sprue out for a recut one featuring the Dynasty Warrior upgrade, plastic LW/BS and possibly other new weapons?

There are so many little changes, like differently posed legs, notches in armour and talons in different places, different heads, etc, that there is no doubt these are entirely new models.

Any word on warriors? It seems the war seer rumor guy had the plug pulled on him so we can't get any more infer from him.

Anything on gene stealers or horms?

The prime is alright, but I wish the legs looked different. That's probably just because I had a cool idea for a conversion years ago when the old codex came out using the metal lictor legs: keeps it looking similar to other warriors while beefing it up and making it look more important, without necessarily adding a lot of extra height to it, either. Wish I had at least finished that model but I sold all that gak when I got wise to how crappy the codex was. Probably shouldn't have because I had a crap ton of warriors and wouldn't need to buy new ones at the gakky $50+ price point they're at now.

Honestly I kinda liked the look of the old tyrant guard but the new one looks good, too. I kinda like how the one pair of arms has really thick carapace on them, like shields. $70 is outrageous though, would have really liked to see a bigger price drop than a measly $5...especially since 9 hive guard were practically mandatory for the longest time and probably will be in this book, too (or you'll be able to take even more of them). May be GW charging us for the convenience of not having to deal with total garbage like Finecast now. I can totally see GW staff using that as a selling point, anyway.

Exocrine has a goofy head, other than that the only thing I hate is the price tag and the nagging feeling that it's most likely designed to invalidate the tyrannofex, another expensive-ass model that didn't really come out that long ago. Haruspex just looks stupid in my opinion, what's that gak coming out of its mouth supposed to be? Tentacles? Because it looks like purple puffy smoke to me, like it's shooting missiles out of its mouth and they're leaving colorful smoke trails behind it. Sculpting fail, in my opinion...unless that's literally what those are supposed to be.

Is it just me or does the harpy look nothing like the codex artwork? I remember the art looking like a really big gargoyle with a fancy head crest and everything and this just looks like a carnifex with wings: in other words, like every single converted harpy ever, but now you have the privilege of paying $80 for it. I want to see it from more angles, but as of now it's not really what I was expecting. At least it looks like it actually fits in with the army though, unlike the Tau flyer.

As for the bundles: I really love how GW simply can not, for any reason, give you a savings on a model unless you spend a crap ton of money to get it. They put carnifexes back down to the much more reasonable $45 price point (though one could argue that's still too much since they're fething useless, and that probably won't change), but you have to buy two in order to get it. Personally I would have loved to see a box like the old Apocalypse "crusher brood" splash release where you basically got three for the price of two, but I guess that would make their current "three for the price of three" direct-only formation look stupid, huh? That and I guess I'm just "entitled." I'm curious about what's in the swarm box, 95 models sounds like a lot and quite a bit more than what's in the current "endless swarm" formation.

That codex would have to be really fething good to convince me to build an actual army of them, though. I'm not jumping in dick first again, and honestly I'm not too confident in the health of 40k or GW right now, so buying a new army (especially when I still have two others I never have time to paint) isn't something I'm really anxious to do. I've always liked the look of Tyranids though, and I've tried to start them twice before, both at the tail end of 4th and after the 5th edition codex hit. So I guess I'm interested, but I have lost all confidence in GW at this point and I expect them to do nothing but feth up even more at everything they do.

Any truth to Gargoyles being Troops?

 Vhalyar wrote:

Leggy wrote:
Wasn't the Exocrines gun rumoured to be a weapon type Nids didn't have before? Could it possible be an Ordnance weapon?

No, the comment was from Endobai concerning the weapon of the Crone.

Anyway, some tidbits from the batrep. Am I going to be slammed for posting points? Maybe, I'll remove them if I get asked.

Exocrine is 170 points
Exocrine firing modes are large blast or 6 S7 AP2 shots.
Crone is 155 points.
Harpy is 135 with the TL stranglers, 25 pts cheaper.
Venomthropes are 45, 10 pts cheaper.
Trygon Prime is 230, 10 pts cheaper.
Fex and Tfex I already mentioned, but due to biomorphs it's only an estimation.

e: Flyrant with double TL devs, wings and 2 powers is 230 pts. 30 pts cheaper than the same build right now.

Gonna join the chorus of people singing questions at you

1) Is there any mention on deep-striking / reserve changes? Can you still drop things in a spore pod without the model?
2) Any word on army-wide rules like Shadow in the Warp etc?

It is a bit odd that in all these years this model is the first Tyranid model that made me think "OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM!" in an instant.

 Symbio Joe wrote:

Spoiler:

It is a bit odd that in all these years this model is the first Tyranid model that made me think "OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM!" in an instant.

Isn't it obvious? Your future is that it will eat you.

 Sidstyler wrote:
...Stuff...

I'm really glad I took the time to read your wall of text I hadn't realised that 40K was an expensive hobby, or that prices go up around release time. So thanks for making me aware

What I really want to know is how warriors, gene stealers, and horms have changed. If they haven't, I don't really see myself fielding them.

We heard rumors that ymgarls were now dead and that all gene stealers deploy like ymgarls. Any confirmation?

We heard horms now run D6+3 but can't assault after running.

Warriors were rumored to have eternal warrior. Any truth to that?

 xttz wrote:
A better Haruspex image:

I just grunted/sighed in pleasure after seeing this picture. The thing just looks like an absolute brute that will eat anything and everything that's in it's way. I can see these creatures getting a special rule that's akin to a rhino charge (not the SM vehicle, a real life rhino) much like a Mumakil special rule from LOTR

The flyers look so good, both versions in my eyes are looking good, glad we finally get a model.

The new tyrant guard I'm a bit skeptical on, I like the way the shoulders are, they're meant to be living shields and now they actually look like it, but they look somewhat ponderous and a bit to slow, however that's probably just from the only image we've got so I'm pretty sure my opinion will change when we get more images. Also they way in which the shoulders are "opening up" almost reminds me off a beetle before it starts to fly, maybe we get flying guard that accompany a flyrant...

In short, I want them, I want them all

I'll wait to see the models in the flesh before I judge, GW always seem to mess up on the photography side if things these day, always uninspiring in my books.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
...Stuff...

Sarcasm, great way of starting an argument I'll stop being a troll now......

 tomball0706 wrote:

The new tyrant guard I'm a bit skeptical on, I like the way the shoulders are...

For anyone saying this about the Tyrant Guard... remember that they share their kit with the Hive Guard and it's pretty likely those shoulder pauldrons are separate parts than can just be left off the model if you prefer.

 xttz wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:

The new tyrant guard I'm a bit skeptical on, I like the way the shoulders are...

For anyone saying this about the Tyrant Guard... remember that they share their kit with the Hive Guard and it's pretty likely those shoulder pauldrons are separate parts than can just be left off the model if you prefer.

This was my first though, however I like the beetle idea someone just suggested.

Anyone else notice that the dude that leaked the photos on 4chan said that Gargoyles are listed in the Troops section?
Carnifexes about 110-120 points each.
Tyrannofexes are 205 with Rupture Cannons (60 point drop!).
A 2xTL Brainleech Devourer, Wings, Psychic Mastery Level 2 Hive Tyrant is 230 points, 30 points cheaper than a ML1 Hive Tyrant equipped the same way. Crazy!
Trygon Prime is 230 points (10 point drop).

Eldercaveman wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 tomball0706 wrote:

The new tyrant guard I'm a bit skeptical on, I like the way the shoulders are...

For anyone saying this about the Tyrant Guard... remember that they share their kit with the Hive Guard and it's pretty likely those shoulder pauldrons are separate parts than can just be left off the model if you prefer.

This was my first though, however I like the beetle idea someone just suggested.

good point about the pauldrons, though I'll love them knowing me as soon as I more pictures

The idea about flying beetle like guard is making me way to happy

Caederes wrote:
Anyone else notice that the dude that leaked the photos on 4chan said that Gargoyles are listed in the Troops section?
Carnifexes about 110-120 points each.
Tyrannofexes are 205 with Rupture Cannons (60 point drop!).
A 2xTL Brainleech Devourer, Wings, Psychic Mastery Level 2 Hive Tyrant is 230 points, 30 points cheaper than a ML1 Hive Tyrant equipped the same way. Crazy!
Trygon Prime is 230 points (10 point drop).

I hope that is true since all those options were pretty terrible in the current game system.. No reason tyrannofexrex should be that expensive.

Apparently it is! Gargoyles as Troops is huge, and the points drops to Carnifexes and Tyrannofexes are absolutely what was needed. I'm stunned that GW actually dropped their points that much, I just didn't expect that at all.

@Vhalyar, can you confirm that stuff I posted? If you can, can you also let us know who the Tyranids were facing in the battle report and how the game went? A lot to ask I know, so only bother if you get the time Cheers for any info!

EDIT: From Faeit

the codex comes with Warlord Traits, new bioartefacts, and new instinctive behavior charts.

The shield plates look like they just sit on the model. If you look, they overlap the carapace and hood section from the hive guard pictures.

 xttz wrote:
A better Haruspex image:

You know, for extra terror, I could see that claw tounge PULLING tanks to it in the shooting phase like the magna grapple for the BA.

Also, I like it!

Redemption wrote:Aaaaand the Warseer thread is deleted...

Warseer has to keep its reputation among rumour mongers. Took them quite long this time.
Reminds me of the good times, when my Warseer Tyranid rumour threads were deleted in no time

BAAAAARF!

Vhalyar wrote:Exocrine is 170 points
Exocrine firing modes are large blast or 6 S7 AP2 shots.

So this gun ...

...is the smaller cheaper variant of this gun???


That said, I begin to really like the Haruspex. The compact body is how a big Tyranid monsters body should be, not like this underfed hyena style:

@Kroothawk - Apparently the Tyrannofex is the "most survivable" of the monsters, but yeah, if its stats aren't that great it likely won't be worth it to next to the Exocrine. Seriously, 6 S7 AP2 shots is crazy good for 170 points, especially with a large blast option that I assume must be at least S8 AP2 Ordnance (it has to be really good to give up the 6 S7 shots after all).

 Vhalyar wrote:

Exocrine is 170 points
Exocrine firing modes are large blast or 6 S7 AP2 shots.
Crone is 155 points.
Harpy is 135 with the TL stranglers, 25 pts cheaper.
Venomthropes are 45, 10 pts cheaper.
Trygon Prime is 230, 10 pts cheaper.
Fex and Tfex I already mentioned, but due to biomorphs it's only an estimation.

e: Flyrant with double TL devs, wings and 2 powers is 230 pts. 30 pts cheaper than the same build right now.

Holy. gak. I'm now excited.

Caederes wrote:
@Vhalyar, can you confirm that stuff I posted? If you can, can you also let us know who the Tyranids were facing in the battle report and how the game went? A lot to ask I know, so only bother if you get the time Cheers for any info!

T'was Tau. As usual for the new format the army compositions were a bit weird, this time the theme was MC against MC with the Tau fielding more Riptides than allowed (or double FOC I guess).

I don't have the WD under my nose anymore, sorry, so I can't look up anything beyond all the notes I took yesterday night.

Maybe the Tyranofex will be something like a precision anti-tank weapon/ gain the option for skyfire to make up for the fact that it is losing it's main role to the Exocrine?

Also, thanks for reminding me that I actually like the Tyranofex model.

A few thoughts of mine on the picture dump and rumors of the past day:

1.) All the new kits look great, something you can rarely say about a new release from GW. Good job!

2.) The rules are up in the air for a lot of key units, but seeing these point drops makes me hopeful that tyranids can fulfill the role of "swarm" army supported by Big Beasties.

3.) S7 AP2 large blast or 6 shots from the exocrine?? I'm not in love with the sculpt as much as the others but if those stats are true i'll definitely have to build one up. However for the tyrannofex to compete in the same slot he will need BS4, retain his S10 gun with at least 2 shots if not more, and his flamer will need to drop to AP3. Otherwise in every scenario i think you'd see the exocrine win the heavy slots.

4.) Cheaper trygon prime - that means cheaper trygons too (possibly). Add in the rumor that they're going to be allowed to run as HQ then I could totally see an all trygon/ravener/hormagaunt list being a fun way to play (though zero anti-air will hurt vs helldrakes and cron air).

5.) Swarmlord and Hive tyrant look like they will remain pinnacles of evolution and cc beatsticks. I would like my hive tyrants to have the stats available to go toe-to-toe with daemon princes and win. Syanpse effects, shadow in the warp, and biomorphs will all play big into this so we'll see.

Overall I'm super excited. Just 3 more weeks until i can preorder and then another week until i can start putting together these monsters! Hooray!

As a side note - We may have lost doom, parasite of mortrex, and spore pods (i'm not sure but it's how it looks) but it's not the end of the world. -- units like carnifexes could hopefully pay a points tax to gain the deep strike rule, thus giving them a "mycetic spore". If it's true that we get "Standard biomorphs", "Rare biomorphs" and "Unique biomorphs" it would be possible to build a tyranid prime, with wings, implant attack, rending claws, and a new Unique biomorph that would let them implant rippers. Boom, parasite of mortrex reborn. Zoanthropes might have access to psychic scream standard, which MIGHT be different than the current version, and nothing yet has 100% confirmed they can't still roll on the telepathy table to get psychic shriek and fulfill the same role as the doom of malan'tai (without the broken every shooting phase part of his rule).

This is going to be awesome!

 Vhalyar wrote:

Caederes wrote:
@Vhalyar, can you confirm that stuff I posted? If you can, can you also let us know who the Tyranids were facing in the battle report and how the game went? A lot to ask I know, so only bother if you get the time Cheers for any info!

T'was Tau. As usual for the new format the army compositions were a bit weird, this time the theme was MC against MC with the Tau fielding more Riptides than allowed (or double FOC I guess).

I don't have the WD under my nose anymore, sorry, so I can't look up anything beyond all the notes I took yesterday night.

Seems like GW were trying to make a point if they put Riptide-spam Tau against Tyranids! Cheers by the way mate! Do you know if Tyranids won by the way?

@Kroothawk The Exocrine looks like a big lumbering mobile artillery, while the Tyrannofex is a more agile bio-tank.

I also wonder if the Tyrannofex guns change rules as well.

Comparing the Tyrannofex body with that of the Exocrine, the latter looks much more survivable than the greyhound on stilts.

Any news on Spores, Doom and Parasite deleted? Or about those new or old Finecast releases mentioned by natfka?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
@Kroothawk The Exocrine looks like a big lumbering mobile artillery, while the Tyrannofex is a more agile bio-tank.

I also wonder if the Tyrannofex guns change rules as well.

I'm betting this is the case (changed guns), plus a stat boost. People always forget that aside from the Rupture Cannon the Tyrannofex has a max shooty range of 24", and a viable threat range of 12-20".

Gotta say I like all the new models except the tyrant guard. They look kinda goofy imo.

The exocrine harpy and hive crown are awesome though!

Seriously got myself considering a largely airborne nid army now, and I have never considered playing nids ever!

Troop gargoyles would be wonderful - I'm currently painting a brood of 15 but that would spur me on to continue painting the other 21 that I own.

I'm prob the only person who is sad that these big model's aren't as big as i would like

Sanjay

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Troop gargoyles would be wonderful - I'm currently painting a brood of 15 but that would spur me on to continue painting the other 21 that I own.

What it would do for army list building is just insane, and it is confirmed by the source of the 4chan photos as well. Crazy stuff! An all flying Tyranid list? Besides, Gargoyles themselves are already quite decent rules-wise. Staying the same and gaining scoring would be awesome. If they managed to drop a point as well.......well. Uhm. Game over!

Caederes wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Troop gargoyles would be wonderful - I'm currently painting a brood of 15 but that would spur me on to continue painting the other 21 that I own.

What it would do for army list building is just insane, and it is confirmed by the source of the 4chan photos as well. Crazy stuff! An all flying Tyranid list? Besides, Gargoyles themselves are already quite decent rules-wise. Staying the same and gaining scoring would be awesome. If they managed to drop a point as well.......well. Uhm. Game over!

The best part is if all that is true then it wouldn't be difficult to fit in a unit of warriors and a small troop of termagants to hold backfield objectives, while your flying beasts zoom towards the enemy front lines.

We can finally do the Anphelion Project justice! I'm intrigued to see IA4 get it's 2nd edition update.

Caederes wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Troop gargoyles would be wonderful - I'm currently painting a brood of 15 but that would spur me on to continue painting the other 21 that I own.

What it would do for army list building is just insane, and it is confirmed by the source of the 4chan photos as well. Crazy stuff! An all flying Tyranid list? Besides, Gargoyles themselves are already quite decent rules-wise. Staying the same and gaining scoring would be awesome. If they managed to drop a point as well.......well. Uhm. Game over!

No no no, this is what he said in reply to the "are gargs troops?" question: "No. They're on the page with Horma- adnd Termabugs, not in the Armylist section."

Which I can't comment on because I didn'T see that bit.

 Vhalyar wrote:

Caederes wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Troop gargoyles would be wonderful - I'm currently painting a brood of 15 but that would spur me on to continue painting the other 21 that I own.

What it would do for army list building is just insane, and it is confirmed by the source of the 4chan photos as well. Crazy stuff! An all flying Tyranid list? Besides, Gargoyles themselves are already quite decent rules-wise. Staying the same and gaining scoring would be awesome. If they managed to drop a point as well.......well. Uhm. Game over!

No no no, this is what he said in reply to the "are gargs troops?" question: "No. They're on the page with Horma- adnd Termabugs, not in the Armylist section."

Which I can't comment on because I didn'T see that bit.

Ok well that's fine, it's all still so hazy and exciting right now it's easy to get carried away.

They waited for the Tau book to update Taros, and the SM book to do IA2 2nd Ed, so I can see Anphelion getting an update. Maybe wait a few months before IG are done as well and update the Elysians as well.

 Vhalyar wrote:

Caederes wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Troop gargoyles would be wonderful - I'm currently painting a brood of 15 but that would spur me on to continue painting the other 21 that I own.

What it would do for army list building is just insane, and it is confirmed by the source of the 4chan photos as well. Crazy stuff! An all flying Tyranid list? Besides, Gargoyles themselves are already quite decent rules-wise. Staying the same and gaining scoring would be awesome. If they managed to drop a point as well.......well. Uhm. Game over!

No no no, this is what he said in reply to the "are gargs troops?" question: "No. They're on the page with Horma- adnd Termabugs, not in the Armylist section."

Which I can't comment on because I didn'T see that bit.

Ah ok fair enough, that was probably too much to expect I guess lol.

Quoting Learn2Eel from BoLS;

From the Tyranid Hive;

Psychic Powers:
Primaris: Dominion, blessing, +6" synapse range for the caster
Catalyst - FnP for caster and unit, and another unit in 12"
Paroxysm
the Horror - Broodlord have this power
Onslaught
5. Psychic Scream - 1 charge, nova 6", each target takes 2d6+2 minus its Ld wounds without covers and armors
6. Warp Blast - 2charges, witchfire, unchanged


Bounding Leap on Hormagaunts is explained there and it gives +3" Run.

Limiting Tyranids for codex-only powers is also NOT mentioned in the magazine,

Shadow in the Warp - not much about this, because it is useless against enemy in BatRep.
Which is Tau with 6 Riptides.

Old One Eye in the report is regenerating like crazy.©

Read more: http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/...#ixzz2nB69pII9
Seems like the psychic powers did change a bit.
Seems like Tyranids might be able to take BRB powers after all? Would certainly be a big positive.
6 Riptides in the Tau list!? Jeez!
Old One Eye with a buff? We know Carnifexes dropped 40-50 points, we can probably expect Old One Eye to have dropped at least that much and gained a buff.