from the lexicum (taken from the original white dwarf)
This ad-hoc assemblage of various armour mark segments (including new or unoffical design elements) being created by a multitude of legions resulted in an entirely new mark of armour being 'accidentally' created; these previously non-standard, emergency/stopgap designs were retroactively termed as the Mark V once production of the Mark IV was halted and the design for the subsequent Corvus Armour mark (Mark VI) was finalised. Some form of standardisation across Mark V suits is is notable, despite their apparently random creation and individual varied origins, due to the dissemination of molecular bonding techniques across the legions.
That particular bit isn't from the White Dwarf article, said article scribed by Saint Rick of Priestley in White Dwarf 129 did in fact say: "The Imperial forces were soon forced into a fall-back position. Production of Mark 4 armour ceased and a new type of armour was designed almost literally overnight. The was the Mark 5 or Heresy Suit."
"Beingsomething of an improvised stop-gap, it is common for Mark 5 suits to vary a great deal."
The Forge World Mark 5 models represent the baseline model manufactured by Mars as per the original fluff by 40k's creator. FW tentatively supports this fluff with a footnote in Betrayal about the helmet becoming standard on Mark 5.
Just because they are shown off in the White Dwarf does not automatically mean they'll be up any time soon. For example, where are those medics damn it!
BrookM wrote: Just because they are shown off in the White Dwarf does not automatically mean they'll be up any time soon. For example, where are those medics damn it!
Couldn't remember what they looked like, so some handy googling:
BrookM wrote: Just because they are shown off in the White Dwarf does not automatically mean they'll be up any time soon. For example, where are those medics damn it!
Couldn't remember what they looked like, so some handy googling:
So pretty and frightening at the same time. If I was in a field hospital and one of these guys walked up to me, I would elect to "rub some dirt on it" and "walk it off", rather than receive "treatment"!
The saw is mostly to cut through the void armour their compatriots wear. That said though, the Solar Auxilia does value its veterans, so rudimentary cybernetics are not that uncommon, they're even granted juvenat treatments on a large scale. Plus, even when close to death one can still serve, as the squishy insides of a Thallax.
God I love those medics. I have way more medics than I can ever hope to field but definitely gonna. Snag those up. I used to be a medic so I build lots of them.
Which White Dwarf is that Headhunters teaser in? The one coming out this week?
I love the way these look - it's interesting that it's an upgrade kit, since it looks like the backpack, legs, and arms are the only "stock" marine parts - everything else seems to be unique.
I know it has NOTHING to do with Alpha Legion, but I feel the need to say it...
I just finished reading 'I am Slaughter' which is the first book in 'The Beast Arises' series, and if FW do a book covering this event, I will give them so much money they will be able to send all their children to college for free.
I don't think it would even be all that hard. Bigger, more tech-savvy orks, Space Marines with easier access to legion weaponry, IG regiments that are somewhere in between Storm Troopers and IG, and a super easy BFG tie-in.
Yeah, they are Upgrade Packs for plastic Cataphractii. It's too bad you can't buy plastic Cataphractii separately from Betrayal at Calth.
P.S. Judging from the Head Hunters close-up, AL does a lot of ork hunting. I will definitely be filing off those "trophy" tasks, they look idiotic and overcrowd the helmet design.
It's really cool the way they're making resin arms/weapons to add onto plastic core parts.
Of course, it would be even more cool if they'd just make plastic arms/weapons to add to those plastic core parts... and actually sell them in regular stores
Regards the new armour marks sets that have just been released, in particular the LEGION MKVI CORVUS ARMOUR set, it doesn't say in the description that any of them come with backpacks, I expect they do as they are pictured and not greyed out, it's just that they don't specify this in the contents of the set.
Can someone please clarify this that have purchased these?
Yeah, the helmets are really off-putting. It's sad, because the pauldrons are so much nicer than the upgrade sets they've put out. The tusks would probably look better if not picked out in colour, but the whole "my head is being eaten by a hydra" is pretty bad. Not so bad that I wouldn't get them, though.
As for the Mastodon, I just love the guy poking out of that top hatch. He's so tiny and insignificant!
I noticed this, and it made me smile. One of the best lines in Dawn of War.
Forge World website, Alpha Legion Contemptor wrote:Even in death, this ancient warrior still serves.
Jamie24 wrote: Regards the new armour marks sets that have just been released, in particular the LEGION MKVI CORVUS ARMOUR set, it doesn't say in the description that any of them come with backpacks, I expect they do as they are pictured and not greyed out, it's just that they don't specify this in the contents of the set.
Can someone please clarify this that have purchased these?
You are in UK, give FW a call and ask yourself. From my understanding, all marks come with backpacks.
Jamie24 wrote: Regards the new armour marks sets that have just been released, in particular the LEGION MKVI CORVUS ARMOUR set, it doesn't say in the description that any of them come with backpacks, I expect they do as they are pictured and not greyed out, it's just that they don't specify this in the contents of the set.
Can someone please clarify this that have purchased these?
You are in UK, give FW a call and ask yourself. From my understanding, all marks come with backpacks.
This. If anything the only difference between these and the last lot is the 'missing hand' to allow easier mixing with the plastic BaC weapons as well as FW's own redesigned 'hand attached' weapons.
Had the fangs on the Headhunter helmets not been picked out in bone, they probably wouldn't have gotten the same reaction. Leave them the base armor color and they're fine.
I don't think I'm a fan of the scales and fangs that will apparently be the AL design cues. The scales were already a thing IIRC for salamanders and the snake fangs just look a bit odd. They can't really just wear the fangs as that has/will be the Space Wolf thing. I think I may have prefered a full snake head skull detail modeled on the forehead of the helmet or somewhere else on the armor in a not too obnoxious pattern (I wouldn't want to turn them into GI Joe Cobra).
The Mastodon is a very pretty model. If they came out with that in plastic, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. It should come out in the same week the plastic Thunderhawk does
It is actually the last of the epic models to be updated from the SM ground vehicles. The thing is a heavier crassus but more resilient. I personally love it.
It does come with a pair of void shields and enough guns to make even the most insecure of commanders feel a little bit better about the upcoming battle.
BrookM wrote: It does come with a pair of void shields and enough guns to make even the most insecure of commanders feel a little bit better about the upcoming battle.
This thing looks odd but the shear amount of flamers and meltas this thing can pack is downright scary though I do worry this thing is going to cost 450+ points base.
It is actually the last of the epic models to be updated from the SM ground vehicles. The thing is a heavier crassus but more resilient. I personally love it.
Errr, which one? The closest (and even then, it's miles away) to this was the Leviathan (superheavy command vehicle), Capitol imperialis (colossal cathedral on treads) or one of the tunnellers, probably the mole. The only other thing I can think of was the very early artwork for the Hercules transport, but that wasn't a siege tank, but more a huge transport.
Does anybody know which White Dwarf number that Mastodon picture is from, as it states in the german text that the Mastodon would be released that same week?
kronk wrote: Cheater Legion! Those are out shields! We want them back!
AL has a special terminator unit which out of all Legions is armed with "power chainaxes", the ones that are now offered as an upgrade for the plastic Cataphractii. Tell me more how you don't like things "borrowed" from you.
kronk wrote: Cheater Legion! Those are out shields! We want them back!
AL has a special terminator unit which out of all Legions is armed with "power chainaxes", the ones that are now offered as an upgrade for the plastic Cataphractii. Tell me more how you don't like things "borrowed" from you.
miniholic wrote: Does anybody know which White Dwarf number that Mastodon picture is from, as it states in the german text that the Mastodon would be released that same week?
White Dwarf 106, the issue will get released next Saturday, February 6
I can't recall which but one of the three HH podcasts had a round estimated price coming directly from the WHW event given to him or coming from an attende. Which of course really means nothing, estimated £250-280
kronk wrote: Cheater Legion! Those are out shields! We want them back!
AL has a special terminator unit which out of all Legions is armed with "power chainaxes", the ones that are now offered as an upgrade for the plastic Cataphractii. Tell me more how you don't like things "borrowed" from you.
You mean the power chainaxes that have presumably been standard heresy-era issue for terminators since the metal 2nd edition Chaos Terminators came out in the 1990's carrying them? No, it's very appropriate that everyone gets those.
Theophony wrote: Will we see a new Thunderhawk transporter to carry the mastadon, or do we think the current one might be able to fit it?
Hmm Thunderhawk? No. Stormbird? Probably
The Transporter is bigger than a normal thunderhawk but seeing as the Stormbird model is built off of the transporter I don't think it'll be "transport a mastadon" big. That is unless they do an even bigger Stormbird than the one that's been shown.
I don't think I'm a fan of the scales and fangs that will apparently be the AL design cues. The scales were already a thing IIRC for salamanders and the snake fangs just look a bit odd. They can't really just wear the fangs as that has/will be the Space Wolf thing. I think I may have prefered a full snake head skull detail modeled on the forehead of the helmet or somewhere else on the armor in a not too obnoxious pattern (I wouldn't want to turn them into GI Joe Cobra).
"There are some truly gruesome monsters and daemons in the Warhammer Age of Sigmar range from Forge World, but I caught sight of something even more terrifying this week. When this new beast hits the battlefield, his foes will be scattering across the realms!"
I wish I was back to the States before Adepticon this year, especially now:(
As far as rumors, or more accurately speculation, people are wondering what the HH Weekender event-only models will be and what surprises will pop up, besides the books we already know about from FW.
Here's what's "crossed my desk" (so, based on absolutely nothing)---
-single custodian HQ -Next primarch either Dorn or Alpharius; Alpharius with & w/out helm; I think the ultimate surprise would be Alpharius & Omegon together -Mastadon release (from WD)
-[deleted]
- Emperor's Children upgrade or something to reflect whatever better rules updates they give the Kakophoni
Anyone else want to dump fire wood on the speculation bonfire?
That is a really gorgeous sculpt although I really do have to agree with Mym there- yetmore Khorne......it's becoming Dull for the Dull God. Some Tz and giving some attention to Slannesh would be very welcome
Not really, that would be Archaon. Khorne has gotten more attention thanks to the Bloodbound, but that doesn't mean the other gods aren't getting up to similar amounts of mischief. I guess Khorne models are selling more because they won't make any new models for the other gods, so they need to make even more of them? logic™
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I will admit I'm not sure what people are seeing in the Mastodon. I normally like FW vehicles but this one isn't really doing anything for me.
Just the design, honestly. Same reason why it doesn't do anything for some but does for others. Aside from huge models (which I love) the design is more unique for HH (IMO) and fits into my imagined battle unfolding in front of me on the tabletop. I also like the SW flyer and Cestus Assault Ram which others find blocky. Although there was a fun meme in 2014 with the SW flyer as a dog's head
Mymearan wrote: Not really, that would be Archaon. Khorne has gotten more attention thanks to the Bloodbound, but that doesn't mean the other gods aren't getting up to similar amounts of mischief. I guess Khorne models are selling more because they won't make any new models for the other gods, so they need to make even more of them? logic™
Actually, yeah. Khorne HAS been "the big bad" for all intents and purposes. The AoS books have been focused more or less on specific Realms, and the battles against the Khorne Bloodbound have been the big ones in the Realm of Fire's Hellfire Peninsula.
Nurgle has been the other, with the Nurgle Rotbringers in the Realm of Life.
VeteranNoob wrote: I wish I was back to the States before Adepticon this year, especially now:(
As far as rumors, or more accurately speculation, people are wondering what the HH Weekender event-only models will be and what surprises will pop up, besides the books we already know about from FW.
-Next primarch either Dorn or Alpharius; Alpharius with & w/out helm; I think the ultimate surprise would be Alpharius & Omegon together
Anyone else want to dump fire wood on the speculation bonfire?
Spoiler:
Alpharius, Omegon and Danny Devito (all three of the Alpha Legion Primarchs
VeteranNoob wrote: I wish I was back to the States before Adepticon this year, especially now:(
As far as rumors, or more accurately speculation, people are wondering what the HH Weekender event-only models will be and what surprises will pop up, besides the books we already know about from FW.
-Next primarch either Dorn or Alpharius; Alpharius with & w/out helm; I think the ultimate surprise would be Alpharius & Omegon together
Anyone else want to dump fire wood on the speculation bonfire?
Spoiler:
Alpharius, Omegon and Danny Devito (all three of the Alpha Legion Primarchs
Mymearan wrote: Not really, that would be Archaon. Khorne has gotten more attention thanks to the Bloodbound, but that doesn't mean the other gods aren't getting up to similar amounts of mischief. I guess Khorne models are selling more because they won't make any new models for the other gods, so they need to make even more of them? logic™
Actually, yeah. Khorne HAS been "the big bad" for all intents and purposes. The AoS books have been focused more or less on specific Realms, and the battles against the Khorne Bloodbound have been the big ones in the Realm of Fire's Hellfire Peninsula.
Nurgle has been the other, with the Nurgle Rotbringers in the Realm of Life.
Well, the initial books have been focused on Bloodbound and Rotbringers as enemies, that's true, although one of the books featured a Tzeentch sorcerer and his fortress heavily. Just because they've been the focus so far doesn't mean they're the "big bad" though. Chaos is the big bad, and Archaon is the big bad of Chaos. It's been a ramp-up, showing different Chaos forces (Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch) before converging in the latest book (Call of Archaon) on the most badass of them all and his counter-invasion against the Stormcast.
Mymearan wrote: Not really, that would be Archaon. Khorne has gotten more attention thanks to the Bloodbound, but that doesn't mean the other gods aren't getting up to similar amounts of mischief. I guess Khorne models are selling more because they won't make any new models for the other gods, so they need to make even more of them? logic™
Actually, yeah. Khorne HAS been "the big bad" for all intents and purposes. The AoS books have been focused more or less on specific Realms, and the battles against the Khorne Bloodbound have been the big ones in the Realm of Fire's Hellfire Peninsula.
Nurgle has been the other, with the Nurgle Rotbringers in the Realm of Life.
Well, the initial books have been focused on Bloodbound and Rotbringers as enemies, that's true, although one of the books featured a Tzeentch sorcerer and his fortress heavily. Just because they've been the focus so far doesn't mean they're the "big bad" though. Chaos is the big bad, and Archaon is the big bad of Chaos. It's been a ramp-up, showing different Chaos forces (Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch) before converging in the latest book (Call of Archaon) on the most badass of them all and his counter-invasion against the Stormcast.
You're conflating fluff from the novels/audiodramas(which, incidentally have actually been including "sneak peeks" of what's coming--they described Dorghar's current form in one of the audio dramas months before we ever saw the model) with the campaign books.
Archaon as the "big bad" has been a background character for all intents and purposes, much like Sigmar has been for the Stormcast Eternals.
Mymearan wrote: Not really, that would be Archaon. Khorne has gotten more attention thanks to the Bloodbound, but that doesn't mean the other gods aren't getting up to similar amounts of mischief. I guess Khorne models are selling more because they won't make any new models for the other gods, so they need to make even more of them? logic™
Actually, yeah. Khorne HAS been "the big bad" for all intents and purposes. The AoS books have been focused more or less on specific Realms, and the battles against the Khorne Bloodbound have been the big ones in the Realm of Fire's Hellfire Peninsula.
Nurgle has been the other, with the Nurgle Rotbringers in the Realm of Life.
Well, the initial books have been focused on Bloodbound and Rotbringers as enemies, that's true, although one of the books featured a Tzeentch sorcerer and his fortress heavily. Just because they've been the focus so far doesn't mean they're the "big bad" though. Chaos is the big bad, and Archaon is the big bad of Chaos. It's been a ramp-up, showing different Chaos forces (Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch) before converging in the latest book (Call of Archaon) on the most badass of them all and his counter-invasion against the Stormcast.
You're conflating fluff from the novels/audiodramas(which, incidentally have actually been including "sneak peeks" of what's coming--they described Dorghar's current form in one of the audio dramas months before we ever saw the model) with the campaign books.
Archaon as the "big bad" has been a background character for all intents and purposes, much like Sigmar has been for the Stormcast Eternals.
I haven't read the campaign books, so obviously my perspective will be that of the novels. The latest one is all about Archaon taking back what the Stormcast have conquered. He's even there in the flesh, flapping around on Dorghar and wiping out scores of Stormcast. Ultimately though it's a semantic argument, and when I say "big bad" I mean "guy with the biggest army who will be the main antagonist going forward".
"There are some truly gruesome monsters and daemons in the Warhammer Age of Sigmar range from Forge World, but I caught sight of something even more terrifying this week. When this new beast hits the battlefield, his foes will be scattering across the realms!"
"There are some truly gruesome monsters and daemons in the Warhammer Age of Sigmar range from Forge World, but I caught sight of something even more terrifying this week. When this new beast hits the battlefield, his foes will be scattering across the realms!"
tbh that sculpt never felt right as K'daai destroyer (where are the flames o.O) so it makes sense to re-use it for khorne - I just hope FW will not drop the Chaos Dwarfs (again ....)
Raven Guard got Dark Furies and Corax previewed and released within weeks of each other (they were released on the same day actually, just Corax was shown as part of the jigsaw a week or two earlier)
Yeah but many Primarch models have stuck to a head design similar to their picture in LA:ICL (and other books)
The only exception is Corax, but thats because he went to the same hairdresser as Fulgrim
Zuul wrote: I'm pretty bummed out I won't get to listen in on some of those design panels. I always love hearing about the processes and decisions of designers.
It's continually baffling to me why FW are so totally resistant to entering the modern age. They could shove a camera pointed at the stage in these seminars for virtually no cost, and they don't even have to livestream them if they're actually worried nobody will want to go if the talks are available online, just record them and upload them a week afterwards. Christ if they livestreamed the event and charged a couple of quid to access the stream they'd probably make a fortune. They're leaving both money and potential marketing impact right there within easy reach and refuse to touch it, why, because they fear it will diminish some entirely illusory sense of exclusivity? Because they can't be bothered? It's utterly maddening.
Zuul wrote: I'm pretty bummed out I won't get to listen in on some of those design panels. I always love hearing about the processes and decisions of designers.
It's continually baffling to me why FW are so totally resistant to entering the modern age. They could shove a camera pointed at the stage in these seminars for virtually no cost, and they don't even have to livestream them if they're actually worried nobody will want to go if the talks are available online, just record them and upload them a week afterwards. Christ if they livestreamed the event and charged a couple of quid to access the stream they'd probably make a fortune. They're leaving both money and potential marketing impact right there within easy reach and refuse to touch it, why, because they fear it will diminish some entirely illusory sense of exclusivity? Because they can't be bothered? It's utterly maddening.
I wish I could see them, too, but I get what at least we were told last year. I got to come over from the US and do the pilgrimage and it was quite packed in those rooms. They asked us not to film because we paid for the experience and it would be unfair to us to share actual video with others. I certainly can understand that. That, and sometimes wrong dates or titles are given and it makes it all the more reason to not have video to set the internet further afire. It was no secret to anyone that many attendees are taking pics and posting what they hear and see. Anyway, that's all I can say with confidence instead of speculation. It was already crammed to see models, art, painting and at times author signings. The insanely long queue is in the morning before the first session but to their credit FW& BL have handled that well and according to other attendees it's seeming to improve each time. Maybe if some semblance of Games Day comes back (and hell, now it just might!) they may do video, if it outgrows WHW open day events.
Zuul wrote: I'm pretty bummed out I won't get to listen in on some of those design panels. I always love hearing about the processes and decisions of designers.
It's continually baffling to me why FW are so totally resistant to entering the modern age. They could shove a camera pointed at the stage in these seminars for virtually no cost, and they don't even have to livestream them if they're actually worried nobody will want to go if the talks are available online, just record them and upload them a week afterwards. Christ if they livestreamed the event and charged a couple of quid to access the stream they'd probably make a fortune. They're leaving both money and potential marketing impact right there within easy reach and refuse to touch it, why, because they fear it will diminish some entirely illusory sense of exclusivity? Because they can't be bothered? It's utterly maddening.
You make it sound like all you have to do is lob a camera on a table and hit go. It's way more involved than that, all of which takes time (i.e. money) and expertise (i.e. money) to not make it look like a amateurish piece of gak.
With Alpharius aren't all HH era Alphas meant to look the same and have no hair? So theoretically he should have the same head as Dynat and have no hair. I am hoping for the amazing helmet...
Zuul wrote: I'm pretty bummed out I won't get to listen in on some of those design panels. I always love hearing about the processes and decisions of designers.
It's continually baffling to me why FW are so totally resistant to entering the modern age. They could shove a camera pointed at the stage in these seminars for virtually no cost, and they don't even have to livestream them if they're actually worried nobody will want to go if the talks are available online, just record them and upload them a week afterwards. Christ if they livestreamed the event and charged a couple of quid to access the stream they'd probably make a fortune. They're leaving both money and potential marketing impact right there within easy reach and refuse to touch it, why, because they fear it will diminish some entirely illusory sense of exclusivity? Because they can't be bothered? It's utterly maddening.
I wish I could see them, too, but I get what at least we were told last year. I got to come over from the US and do the pilgrimage and it was quite packed in those rooms. They asked us not to film because we paid for the experience and it would be unfair to us to share actual video with others. I certainly can understand that. That, and sometimes wrong dates or titles are given and it makes it all the more reason to not have video to set the internet further afire. It was no secret to anyone that many attendees are taking pics and posting what they hear and see. Anyway, that's all I can say with confidence instead of speculation. It was already crammed to see models, art, painting and at times author signings. The insanely long queue is in the morning before the first session but to their credit FW& BL have handled that well and according to other attendees it's seeming to improve each time. Maybe if some semblance of Games Day comes back (and hell, now it just might!) they may do video, if it outgrows WHW open day events.
I'm sorry, but that excuse is nonsense in every way possible. For a start; if the rooms are genuinely so packed there's no room for a camera on the floor, a wall bracket for each would be pocket change for GW. Wrong dates or titles are going to spread regardless - I don't recall the lack of video preventing people from being pissed at FW for the ongoing failure to release the Bran Redmaw model. And if "unfairness" is really their concern, they could also charge money to watch an online stream(or pre-record and then not upload for a couple of weeks after the event), preserving if they must this attitude of snobbery that pervades a lot of the Heresy community(and before anyone starts, have a wander over to B&C and enjoy the people complaining that BaC has enabled so many dirty poors to get into the Heresy that it's making them enjoy it less; the attitude exists).
The people who go to these events would go regardless, as you say it's something of a "pilgrimage", and all the obstacles to streaming or recording are obviously and easily surmountable; there is no excuse not to do it, and even setting aside the arguments in favour of doing it based on marketing and the potential to make extra money from a stream, how about just doing it for their fans? Even among folk who can afford to collect FW armies, most don't have the money or opportunity to get to these events; I have an ASD and the prospect of actually physically sitting in a room with so many other folk is horrifying - would me or some Aussie bloke being able to watch a stream of the seminars really have made you feel hard done by? Would it really have diminished your enjoyment of the event so much to know it was less "exclusive" that you wouldn't have gone?
Zuul wrote: I'm pretty bummed out I won't get to listen in on some of those design panels. I always love hearing about the processes and decisions of designers.
It's continually baffling to me why FW are so totally resistant to entering the modern age. They could shove a camera pointed at the stage in these seminars for virtually no cost, and they don't even have to livestream them if they're actually worried nobody will want to go if the talks are available online, just record them and upload them a week afterwards. Christ if they livestreamed the event and charged a couple of quid to access the stream they'd probably make a fortune. They're leaving both money and potential marketing impact right there within easy reach and refuse to touch it, why, because they fear it will diminish some entirely illusory sense of exclusivity? Because they can't be bothered? It's utterly maddening.
You make it sound like all you have to do is lob a camera on a table and hit go. It's way more involved than that, all of which takes time (i.e. money) and expertise (i.e. money) to not make it look like a amateurish piece of gak.
Oh please. Even if it wasn't patently ridiculous to suggest the cost of having a bloke come in for two days to set up some cameras properly is prohibitive to FW, charging for the stream would more than cover that cost.
Zuul wrote: I'm pretty bummed out I won't get to listen in on some of those design panels. I always love hearing about the processes and decisions of designers.
It's continually baffling to me why FW are so totally resistant to entering the modern age. They could shove a camera pointed at the stage in these seminars for virtually no cost, and they don't even have to livestream them if they're actually worried nobody will want to go if the talks are available online, just record them and upload them a week afterwards. Christ if they livestreamed the event and charged a couple of quid to access the stream they'd probably make a fortune. They're leaving both money and potential marketing impact right there within easy reach and refuse to touch it, why, because they fear it will diminish some entirely illusory sense of exclusivity? Because they can't be bothered? It's utterly maddening.
You make it sound like all you have to do is lob a camera on a table and hit go. It's way more involved than that, all of which takes time (i.e. money) and expertise (i.e. money) to not make it look like a amateurish piece of gak.
If only they had a largely technologically knowledgeable geek fanbase that would gladly do it for free.... I enjoy watching the gencon FFG and Infinity seminars every year via fan uploaded video and I can't see why FW couldn't allow the same. Yes, they look amateurish and the occasional gamer blocks the view and the sound can be off but they're still very worthwhile. I know folks take stills at FW seminars but do they allow video as well? I don't see why they couldn't partner up with an existing youtube channel that already has some expertise (like Templars Crusade) that already plan on going to the event.
Zuul wrote: I'm pretty bummed out I won't get to listen in on some of those design panels. I always love hearing about the processes and decisions of designers.
It's continually baffling to me why FW are so totally resistant to entering the modern age. They could shove a camera pointed at the stage in these seminars for virtually no cost, and they don't even have to livestream them if they're actually worried nobody will want to go if the talks are available online, just record them and upload them a week afterwards. Christ if they livestreamed the event and charged a couple of quid to access the stream they'd probably make a fortune. They're leaving both money and potential marketing impact right there within easy reach and refuse to touch it, why, because they fear it will diminish some entirely illusory sense of exclusivity? Because they can't be bothered? It's utterly maddening.
I wish I could see them, too, but I get what at least we were told last year. I got to come over from the US and do the pilgrimage and it was quite packed in those rooms. They asked us not to film because we paid for the experience and it would be unfair to us to share actual video with others. I certainly can understand that. That, and sometimes wrong dates or titles are given and it makes it all the more reason to not have video to set the internet further afire. It was no secret to anyone that many attendees are taking pics and posting what they hear and see. Anyway, that's all I can say with confidence instead of speculation. It was already crammed to see models, art, painting and at times author signings. The insanely long queue is in the morning before the first session but to their credit FW& BL have handled that well and according to other attendees it's seeming to improve each time. Maybe if some semblance of Games Day comes back (and hell, now it just might!) they may do video, if it outgrows WHW open day events.
I'm sorry, but that excuse is nonsense in every way possible. For a start; if the rooms are genuinely so packed there's no room for a camera on the floor, a wall bracket for each would be pocket change for GW. Wrong dates or titles are going to spread regardless - I don't recall the lack of video preventing people from being pissed at FW for the ongoing failure to release the Bran Redmaw model. And if "unfairness" is really their concern, they could also charge money to watch an online stream(or pre-record and then not upload for a couple of weeks after the event), preserving if they must this attitude of snobbery that pervades a lot of the Heresy community(and before anyone starts, have a wander over to B&C and enjoy the people complaining that BaC has enabled so many dirty poors to get into the Heresy that it's making them enjoy it less; the attitude exists).
The people who go to these events would go regardless, as you say it's something of a "pilgrimage", and all the obstacles to streaming or recording are obviously and easily surmountable; there is no excuse not to do it, and even setting aside the arguments in favour of doing it based on marketing and the potential to make extra money from a stream, how about just doing it for their fans? Even among folk who can afford to collect FW armies, most don't have the money or opportunity to get to these events; I have an ASD and the prospect of actually physically sitting in a room with so many other folk is horrifying - would me or some Aussie bloke being able to watch a stream of the seminars really have made you feel hard done by? Would it really have diminished your enjoyment of the event so much to know it was less "exclusive" that you wouldn't have gone?
Zuul wrote: I'm pretty bummed out I won't get to listen in on some of those design panels. I always love hearing about the processes and decisions of designers.
It's continually baffling to me why FW are so totally resistant to entering the modern age. They could shove a camera pointed at the stage in these seminars for virtually no cost, and they don't even have to livestream them if they're actually worried nobody will want to go if the talks are available online, just record them and upload them a week afterwards. Christ if they livestreamed the event and charged a couple of quid to access the stream they'd probably make a fortune. They're leaving both money and potential marketing impact right there within easy reach and refuse to touch it, why, because they fear it will diminish some entirely illusory sense of exclusivity? Because they can't be bothered? It's utterly maddening.
You make it sound like all you have to do is lob a camera on a table and hit go. It's way more involved than that, all of which takes time (i.e. money) and expertise (i.e. money) to not make it look like a amateurish piece of gak.
Oh please. Even if it wasn't patently ridiculous to suggest the cost of having a bloke come in for two days to set up some cameras properly is prohibitive to FW, charging for the stream would more than cover that cost.
Have you tried contacting FW or BL customer service to suggest you idea? That's really all I can suggest to help. You might think that would b fruitless but in interaction I've had with staff in person and on forums they want you to send ideas in a constructed way because they themselves cannot affect that change without a demand first. BL didn't do a Weekender in 2015 and the fans go together and did our own event in Nottingham, where staff and authors actually came and had a great weekend of interaction with us. It started by BL editor Laurie G telling us how helpful it was that we did this and GW was surprised and saw how demand for more fan interaction can actually be productive and show GW, no really, we want this.
I'm not sure what an ASD stands for but I'll try and answer your question I think was posed for me specificslly. Personally, I would not have cared if they were filming, the sessions, the FW hobby pods, any of it. Can't speak for anyone else. And the pilgrimage is a common term used for gamers not in the UK (or I gues not in Nottingham) to come to WHWorld. That works great when there is an event like this.
So what have you got to lose? May as well run this idea up the flag pole (or company standard). I bet if many people make this request it will at least get consideration. I hope so. Video would be great if planned for. Best!
Whether or not Alpharius will have a helmet is a deciding factor for me. I doubt I'd be able to do a properly styled helmetswap that would match the quality of the rest of the model. I also really don't want for half his selling price to be for the massive chunk of Warlord Titan wreckage he's standing on.
Frozen Ocean wrote: Whether or not Alpharius will have a helmet is a deciding factor for me. I doubt I'd be able to do a properly styled helmetswap that would match the quality of the rest of the model. I also really don't want for half his selling price to be for the massive chunk of Warlord Titan wreckage he's standing on.
I'm in a similar state of mind. Ideally, I'd love for him to be standing on a reasonably sized base, in a pose that doesn't scream "I just jumped out of a martial arts movie!!". Something similar to the quiet menace of Horus or Lorgar would be great. Not every primarch needs to be in the middle of an action scene, jumping on walls and pillars and such. And a helmeted/non-helmeted head option would be awesome.
I can also imagine Alpharius being in a pose where he is casually gunning down a Marine or two whilst making it look effortless and not worth his time.
If you think Corax's hair is bad, just think what's going to happen to this hairdo.
This isn't going to be remotely what Alpharius looks like for the FW game. It is following HH series fluff which puts Alpharius as basically identical to standard legionaries.
Really the "Alpharius" model should be a kit of 5 or so Terminators with ornate armor options
Zuul wrote: I'm pretty bummed out I won't get to listen in on some of those design panels. I always love hearing about the processes and decisions of designers.
It's continually baffling to me why FW are so totally resistant to entering the modern age. They could shove a camera pointed at the stage in these seminars for virtually no cost, and they don't even have to livestream them if they're actually worried nobody will want to go if the talks are available online, just record them and upload them a week afterwards. Christ if they livestreamed the event and charged a couple of quid to access the stream they'd probably make a fortune. They're leaving both money and potential marketing impact right there within easy reach and refuse to touch it, why, because they fear it will diminish some entirely illusory sense of exclusivity? Because they can't be bothered? It's utterly maddening.
I wish I could see them, too, but I get what at least we were told last year. I got to come over from the US and do the pilgrimage and it was quite packed in those rooms. They asked us not to film because we paid for the experience and it would be unfair to us to share actual video with others. I certainly can understand that. That, and sometimes wrong dates or titles are given and it makes it all the more reason to not have video to set the internet further afire. It was no secret to anyone that many attendees are taking pics and posting what they hear and see. Anyway, that's all I can say with confidence instead of speculation. It was already crammed to see models, art, painting and at times author signings. The insanely long queue is in the morning before the first session but to their credit FW& BL have handled that well and according to other attendees it's seeming to improve each time. Maybe if some semblance of Games Day comes back (and hell, now it just might!) they may do video, if it outgrows WHW open day events.
I'm sorry, but that excuse is nonsense in every way possible. For a start; if the rooms are genuinely so packed there's no room for a camera on the floor, a wall bracket for each would be pocket change for GW. Wrong dates or titles are going to spread regardless - I don't recall the lack of video preventing people from being pissed at FW for the ongoing failure to release the Bran Redmaw model. And if "unfairness" is really their concern, they could also charge money to watch an online stream(or pre-record and then not upload for a couple of weeks after the event), preserving if they must this attitude of snobbery that pervades a lot of the Heresy community(and before anyone starts, have a wander over to B&C and enjoy the people complaining that BaC has enabled so many dirty poors to get into the Heresy that it's making them enjoy it less; the attitude exists).
The people who go to these events would go regardless, as you say it's something of a "pilgrimage", and all the obstacles to streaming or recording are obviously and easily surmountable; there is no excuse not to do it, and even setting aside the arguments in favour of doing it based on marketing and the potential to make extra money from a stream, how about just doing it for their fans? Even among folk who can afford to collect FW armies, most don't have the money or opportunity to get to these events; I have an ASD and the prospect of actually physically sitting in a room with so many other folk is horrifying - would me or some Aussie bloke being able to watch a stream of the seminars really have made you feel hard done by? Would it really have diminished your enjoyment of the event so much to know it was less "exclusive" that you wouldn't have gone?
Zuul wrote: I'm pretty bummed out I won't get to listen in on some of those design panels. I always love hearing about the processes and decisions of designers.
It's continually baffling to me why FW are so totally resistant to entering the modern age. They could shove a camera pointed at the stage in these seminars for virtually no cost, and they don't even have to livestream them if they're actually worried nobody will want to go if the talks are available online, just record them and upload them a week afterwards. Christ if they livestreamed the event and charged a couple of quid to access the stream they'd probably make a fortune. They're leaving both money and potential marketing impact right there within easy reach and refuse to touch it, why, because they fear it will diminish some entirely illusory sense of exclusivity? Because they can't be bothered? It's utterly maddening.
You make it sound like all you have to do is lob a camera on a table and hit go. It's way more involved than that, all of which takes time (i.e. money) and expertise (i.e. money) to not make it look like a amateurish piece of gak.
Oh please. Even if it wasn't patently ridiculous to suggest the cost of having a bloke come in for two days to set up some cameras properly is prohibitive to FW, charging for the stream would more than cover that cost.
Have you tried contacting FW or BL customer service to suggest you idea? That's really all I can suggest to help. You might think that would b fruitless but in interaction I've had with staff in person and on forums they want you to send ideas in a constructed way because they themselves cannot affect that change without a demand first. BL didn't do a Weekender in 2015 and the fans go together and did our own event in Nottingham, where staff and authors actually came and had a great weekend of interaction with us. It started by BL editor Laurie G telling us how helpful it was that we did this and GW was surprised and saw how demand for more fan interaction can actually be productive and show GW, no really, we want this.
I'm not sure what an ASD stands for but I'll try and answer your question I think was posed for me specificslly. Personally, I would not have cared if they were filming, the sessions, the FW hobby pods, any of it. Can't speak for anyone else. And the pilgrimage is a common term used for gamers not in the UK (or I gues not in Nottingham) to come to WHWorld. That works great when there is an event like this.
So what have you got to lose? May as well run this idea up the flag pole (or company standard). I bet if many people make this request it will at least get consideration. I hope so. Video would be great if planned for. Best!
I appreciate you responding so reasonably, on second reading the tone of my post can be read as more confrontational than I intended. ASD stands for Autism Spectrum Disorder. Honestly, I hadn't thought to email them about this, as frankly my experience is that companies don't give a gak about accommodating disabilities and disorders unless required by law, and if people like myself or folk who can't make it due to lack of money or distance to travel crossed their minds at all the last time it came up they evidently didn't consider that important enough to override their stated(or, if different, private) reason/s for not permitting videos.
Yodhrin wrote: I appreciate you responding so reasonably, on second reading the tone of my post can be read as more confrontational than I intended. ASD stands for Autism Spectrum Disorder. Honestly, I hadn't thought to email them about this, as frankly my experience is that companies don't give a gak about accommodating disabilities and disorders unless required by law, and if people like myself or folk who can't make it due to lack of money or distance to travel crossed their minds at all the last time it came up they evidently didn't consider that important enough to override their stated(or, if different, private) reason/s for not permitting videos.
I went to the HH weekender last year and there were a few disabled people, the GW people there were very accommodating of them and their carers. I'll knock GW for a lot of things but never customer service.
The Horus Heresy Weekender is almost here! The event kicks off at 10am on Saturday 6th February, and from then on the weekend will be absolutely jam packed with seminars and demonstrations, and you won’t be able to turn a corner without bumping into a writer, artist or designer from Forge World and Black Library.
I hear there will be some fantastic new products available for the first time there, some of them weeks ahead of being available through the Forge World web store. I caught sight of a couple just arrived and being made ready for the event, I’m told they’ll only be available in very limited quantities though, so make sure you get to the sales stand early!
This new Battle-automata stands even taller than the Castellax!
The upcoming Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Legions book will be there...
...take a look at all the Legions included. ...
Want to plan your weekend? Check out the schedule.
If you’re planning on entering your finest painted models into the Golden Demon, entries open at 10am on Saturday and close at 5.30pm. Judging will start when the event opens again on Sunday at 10am, so make sure you get your entries in on Saturday.
The categories are:
Single miniature
Squad
Vehicle
Duel
Unbound
Young Bloods
We will be presenting Bronze, Silver and Golden Demons to the winners of each category, and the overall winner will receive the lauded Slayer Sword. Click here to find out more, and then download your entry form. Make sure you fill out the entry form before you bring your models to the stand.
On Saturday the event closes at 6.00pm, but gaming will go on late so make sure you bring your armies! If you're going, we'll see you there. If not, make sure you're back soon for new from the Horus Heresy Weekender 2016.
This one is supposed to have some changes to some units to make them more viable. No points changes, but especially the 4 legions from book 1, specifically mentioned already the EC: Kakophoni. --all this according to HH podcasts. This is def on the lists to buy should I ever rob a bank. Also, need big sacks with $ on them
Haighus wrote: I can also imagine Alpharius being in a pose where he is casually gunning down a Marine or two whilst making it look effortless and not worth his time.
He has this awesome power spear, right? I could easily see him with a pose like this.
They still really need to update the basic Crusade List book...
You still have to lug around 3+ books to be able to use the units added by more recent books (Deredeo and the like from Book 5 or the Leviathan in Book 6 for example).
BrookM wrote: What are you beautiful? I must have thee!
Yup thats a win for me. My only hope is this will be one of the fellas stompin around in 40k when the IA with red scorps and admech drops. I just want to send it thumping through a field of nids!
This looks like it's gonna be a great event -- new Legions book, Retribution, probably some nice previews of Inferno, another Primarch, apparently a new Knight, the Stormbird, some characters and IWs...
Januine wrote: I'm sure it's being mentioned already but I'm too knackered to search - any ideas on how much that piece of awesomeness the mastadon is gonna be?
ouch. had a pretty tidy idea to make it into an admech siege mini ordinatus thingymajig but 300quid is a bit of a rich conversion..........backburner that for the now Cheers AoV
Looky Likey wrote: Is the Stormbird def. being released? From the WD previews it looked like it'd be the Masterdon at the weekender?
Atia teased about a "big bird" on another forum (think it was B&C). We know that the Stormbird was being worked on, so I don't see what else it could be. Not sure if that means an actual release at the event, mind you.
Also there was talk about a Contemptor-Cortus...apparently a lighter, faster CC-oriented Contemptor?
Yodhrin wrote: I appreciate you responding so reasonably, on second reading the tone of my post can be read as more confrontational than I intended. ASD stands for Autism Spectrum Disorder. Honestly, I hadn't thought to email them about this, as frankly my experience is that companies don't give a gak about accommodating disabilities and disorders unless required by law, and if people like myself or folk who can't make it due to lack of money or distance to travel crossed their minds at all the last time it came up they evidently didn't consider that important enough to override their stated(or, if different, private) reason/s for not permitting videos.
I went to the HH weekender last year and there were a few disabled people, the GW people there were very accommodating of them and their carers. I'll knock GW for a lot of things but never customer service.
Of course they were, they're required by law to be accommodating to people with physical disabilities who show up at their place of business. This isn't about "customer service", I was merely observing that companies tend not to consider that kind of thing when they make decisions unless forced to. The alternative is that when they were deciding to prevent videos being taken someone at FW said "hold on, won't that negatively impact our fans with social disorders or who can't travel here?" and the collective sentiment was in so many words "feth 'em", which is hardly a more flattering thought.
The Domitar is interesting. Was hoping future bots would be taking more design cues from the Castellax than the Thanatar tbh, but it would still take a lot less work to "fix"(for my tastes) the Domitar than it does to deal with the plastic Kastellan.
The Domitar is interesting. Was hoping future bots would be taking more design cues from the Castellax than the Thanatar tbh, but it would still take a lot less work to "fix"(for my tastes) the Domitar than it does to deal with the plastic Kastellan.
I actully thought it was a Thallax that was hitting the gym at 1st, because of the hand and arm shapes. After realizeing it's a robot and not a cyborg I thought the Domitar looks like a Castellax that plays basketball.
Tagony wrote: Is this the kind of thing where they would release details about the next HH book with the new chapters? As in Dark Angels rules and what not.
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Book 6 should be on sale early for attendees but that won't have the specific characters and elites for those three Legions, according to previous open day. But, hey, who knows! They've been pumping out a lot of stuff lately so who knows what surprises they will share. I'll be watching the coverage from our fine folks in the UK attending.
Theophony wrote: The Big-Bird they are talking about could also be Dorn. He's big, Yellow, Has Eagle emblems all over and follows the imperial code of ABC and 1,2,3.
True.
And Dorn also has a big brown shaggy imaginary friend.
I think I'm most excited to see the Legion rules and Rites of War for the new legions. I'm really really really ready to start my 30k Dangle army, but I've been holding off until I see their rules. Plus White Scars and Thousand Sons will be amazing to see as well!!!!
Any chance we'll be seeing any crunch this weekend?
The model looks amazing but the Domitar is way to expensive points wise. Sure, I'll get one and field it because of the model but wish they come down a bunch of points.
Nah Man Pichu wrote: I think I'm most excited to see the Legion rules and Rites of War for the new legions. I'm really really really ready to start my 30k Dangle army, but I've been holding off until I see their rules. Plus White Scars and Thousand Sons will be amazing to see as well!!!!
Any chance we'll be seeing any crunch this weekend?
Well they are going to be selling early copies of book 6 at the weekender, and hopefully they might drop some general stuff about 1ksons/wolves dureing the book 7/inferno panel.
He has some solid rules. The Brutal Blades are nasty at -2 rend and 2 damage. The forced re-roll of successful spells within his area is a neat boost for a solo Khorne force.
He has some solid rules. The Brutal Blades are nasty at -2 rend and 2 damage. The forced re-roll of successful spells within his area is a neat boost for a solo Khorne force.
As a matter of personal taste, I'd prefer my models not to have sculpted genitalia. Sounds prudish? Probably. But painting that sort of thing, isn't my idea of fun.
More skull-acne... Is there ANYBODY out there who thinks that the skull acne is cool, or a good design idea? Why in the Emperor's/Khorne's name are they doubling down on that truly, truly awful idea?
catharsix wrote: More skull-acne... Is there ANYBODY out there who thinks that the skull acne is cool, or a good design idea? Why in the Emperor's/Khorne's name are they doubling down on that truly, truly awful idea?
-C6
I dont think its cool but im not bothered by it, Skulls have been a main part of the Khorne lore since the start, I dont see why people have such a big problem with it.
I always assumed the daemons were made up of the flesh from the dead bodies required for the summon, hence them having a few humanoid body parts left knocking about.
At least thats how it works in many of the books.
I also like it (on Glottkin or the Khorgoraths ... now that i think about it, i want Khorgorath sized Glottkins !!) - I think it fits with spawn-like/mutated models
catharsix wrote: More skull-acne... Is there ANYBODY out there who thinks that the skull acne is cool, or a good design idea? Why in the Emperor's/Khorne's name are they doubling down on that truly, truly awful idea?
-C6
I wouldn't say cool, but I have no issues with it for Khorne daemons.
catharsix wrote: More skull-acne... Is there ANYBODY out there who thinks that the skull acne is cool, or a good design idea? Why in the Emperor's/Khorne's name are they doubling down on that truly, truly awful idea?
-C6
For Khornate stuff - yeah, I like it. Fits in with the fluff and the whole essence of a violent, bloodthirsty, warmongering lunatic and his followers. I reckon they'd look kinda daft without loads of skulls about them. For Inq and AdMech I like them but in much lesser numbers to ol' big red and his cohorts
"There are some truly gruesome monsters and daemons in the Warhammer Age of Sigmar range from Forge World, but I caught sight of something even more terrifying this week. When this new beast hits the battlefield, his foes will be scattering across the realms!"
catharsix wrote: More skull-acne... Is there ANYBODY out there who thinks that the skull acne is cool, or a good design idea? Why in the Emperor's/Khorne's name are they doubling down on that truly, truly awful idea?
-C6
Yes everyone in my gaming group doesn't mind and most actively like it, three of us have Fine Art degree's so should have some degree of taste, but that's just it, its to subjective to state it as a cool look, that's not overly quantifiable... I'd rather the skulls absorbing into the flesh that extreme 80's heavy metal iconography you get on a lot of demonic armour for instants.
He has some solid rules. The Brutal Blades are nasty at -2 rend and 2 damage. The forced re-roll of successful spells within his area is a neat boost for a solo Khorne force.
As a matter of personal taste, I'd prefer my models not to have sculpted genitalia. Sounds prudish? Probably. But painting that sort of thing, isn't my idea of fun.
I have a sneaking suspicion that this was originally going to be the k'daai destroyer model. I seem to remember seeing wip pics that looked similar. I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up the unfinished sculpt and turned it into this.
If multiples of this Skaarac will show up at a painting competition, whoever sculpts and paints the anus on him is going to win. For an an extra bonus the model will also need a pair dangling balls to go with this outfit.
Breotan wrote: Ya. Almost a waste, considering how many of these are going to be built with the doors/hatches shut.
Which is itself a waste. Half the fun of kits like that is painting the interior, building scenes with crew models, etc. I wish more GW/FW tanks came with full interior detail.
And in what word is a Hand Flamer worth 15 points?
And these new Justaerin Terminators. Are these replacements for the original rules, or are this "Late War" Justaerin (ie. representing Sons of Horus Termies for later during the Heresy).
The new Justaerin rules replace the old ones. Now it is 5 models in the base unit cost for not much more and they have 2 Wounds each, so much better.
No idea why the Hand Flamers are so expensive, but here's a thought, what happens if you give Hand Flamers to a Moritat and Chain Fire?
Very pleased with the Blood Angels rules, disappointed by the Dark Angels rules (but expecting them to be held up by wargear and unique units as with other weak Legions), impressed by White Scars who are virtually copy pasted from 40K with a few cool differences.
Thanks for the updates.
So many new shiny toys, so not enough monies...
AL special rules are tied to AL special unit which doesn't perform well for the points it costs, to say polity. Somebody at FW needs a "arms-from-ass-to-shoulders" surgery badly.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: I can't wait for the new Rites to be spilled all over the internet.
I've got pictures of the BA rites - just checking with RiTides via PM to make sure it's OK to post. If it is, I'll post either in 30k forum or here, whichever is better.
Glad to see we have a model for the Domitor now, but it's funny that at the same time they show us rules for the Arlatax which basically does the same thing as the Domitor but better.
@combat engineer legion rules are in but they've been out in other books for a while. New units included in spoilers (note might just be artwork but fairly sure that's not the case)
Alpharius, Omegon and Danny Devito (all three of the Alpha Legion Primarchs 
