namiel wrote:
steve the warboss has an atrocious accuracy rate. Pile on the salt

Did he not definitely say it was going to be a board game not long back?

 edlowe wrote:

 namiel wrote:
steve the warboss has an atrocious accuracy rate. Pile on the salt

Did he not definitely say it was going to be a board game not long back?

All from StW:

PENDING Warhammer Fantasy Rumors - June 2015
via Steve the Warboss 6-24-2015

Age of Sigmar Contents

1x Empire General on Griffin
5x Knights of Sigmar
10x State Troops with Spears
10x State Troops with Muskets

1x Lord of Khorne on Daemonsteed
5x Chaos Knights
10x Chaos Warriors

-No small rulebook
-Full rules for all models
-Small intro of the fluff (Humans only)
-5 Scenarios to introduce players
-Text is written very childfriendly

PENDING Warhammer Fantasy Rumors - May 2015
VIA Steve the Warboss

Age of Sigmar is not the Starter Set of the 9th Edition. It will be a Board Game like Space Hulk or Execution Force and with this Set, the Releases of the 9th Edition will begin.

PENDING Warhammer Fantasy Rumors - May 2015
WFB 9th Release Window Details

-6 Weeks of Releases
-Rulebook and Accessories
-Starter Set
-First Armybook (Empire)
-Released in quick succession
-“Sigmarites” are only another Knightly Order

PENDING Warhammer Fantasy Rumors - Dec 2014
via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
Warhammer 9th rumors?
To complete the Year I have some new Infos.
-Second Army in starter is still unknown
-Starter includes two booklets
-The first is a typical booklet with starter rules and profiles without special rules ect.
-The second is like them from the 40k campaign sets with following content:

-Story
-Scenarios
-Full Rules for all Models in the Box including special rules
-The Profiles and Models can be used as unique characters and units in standard games

PENDING 9th Edition Fantasy Rumors - Nov 2014
via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
I have first Informations for the 9th Edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battles:

-One Profiles for Mounted Units (like Endtimes)
-Endtimes was full designed for the new Edition, the Books will be 100% compatible
-No Armybook releases until the new Edition
-Empire in the starter, the enemy is still not determinated


Steve the Warboss, making crap up since Aug 2014.

Steve the Warboss - Total rumors: (34 TRUE) / (79 FALSE) / (6 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

Or stating the obvious.

It shouldn't surprise anyone that whatever they're doing with Monsters will incorporate the "single profile for mounted units" to prevent sniping riders off their mounts.

Age of Sigmar Contents
1x Empire General on Griffin
5x Knights of Sigmar
10x State Troops with Spears
10x State Troops with Muskets

1x Lord of Khorne on Daemonsteed
5x Chaos Knights
10x Chaos Warriors

-No small rulebook
-Full rules for all models
-Small intro of the fluff (Humans only)
-5 Scenarios to introduce players
-Text is written very childfriendly

This does sound very much like a complete reboot product. Something aimed squarely at new players who have no experience with Warhammer. It’s smaller in scale and number of models than the 40K starter boxes, so the big question for me as an industry watcher is what pricepoint Nottingham will set for this. If they can bring in an introductory set at somewhat below $100, and the miniature quality is high (and it will be), this could be a big hit.

I don't believe this at all.

Stormclaw and Deathstorm were both repacks of old models, but they had 2 exclusive figures and a mini rulebook.

They sold very well, I don't see why GW would deviate from this formula for AOS

Stormclaw and Deathstorm both had campaign supplements tied to them.
I would expect whatever the new game is will have its own box, and we'd see campaign supplements later on as old books get redone.

From what I've been told, the campaign supplements(which generally were done "between" two major Codex releases) were really good for sales.

 mdauben wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
No one's posted this?

From the Bell

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/06/breaking-age-of-sigmar-box-contents.html

I certrainly hope this is BS, because if true I can't see why anyone would buy it. Old minis and a crippled rule book? No thanks. The only way I see the AoS being any kind of success is if its packed with really brilliant new miniatures that will appeal to both new and old players.

Sorry, but my understanding is that a GW Fantasy starter looks something more like this:


or this:


While the Empire stuff generally matches the IOB Elves, the Chaos stuff is dramatically reduced in content compared to the Skaven.

Also, the rumour made no mention of red whippy sticks.

Cannot have a proper starter set without red whippy sticks

NoggintheNog wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Its almost all we talk about at my local gw. Sure their are lots of 40k players but the entire fantasy crowd has been wishlisting and talking about it a lot. Helps the store manager is 99% fantasy and only 1% 40k. Midnight release is planned, he is getting rid of any 40k tables and terrain and replacing it with fantasy, etc. Lots of skeptics but still everyone is waiting to see what happens and plenty of 40k only players talking about making the jump into fantasy now if its affordable.

Unfortunately this is the exact way GW builds up a lot of the resentment it generates from customers. No information, so its all wishlisting, and as you say at the end the assumption that 'now its affordable'.

The problem comes when what is released does not match those wishlists, or is not as affordable as some are hoping. This has a tendency to then become a GW problem, rather than just people getting the wrong idea. A recent example is the assassin game, a lack of information led to a build up of ideas about what it would be, and in the end it was just 4 new models with a load of extra sprues from a starter box for a typically GW pricepoint. If we had all known for 2 months beforehand that was what it was, would the disappointment been as prevalent? I'm not sure, the assassins are nice models after all.

This is the main issue with the no advertising thing, GW do not control the narrative, which inevitably leads to disappointment, and annoyed customers. They do only have themselves to blame for it though.

very true. they should be giving us something to get excited about it rather then us just speculating. We are optimistic but still waiting to see exactly what it is.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, the rumour made no mention of red whippy sticks.

Cannot have a proper starter set without red whippy sticks

Agreed 100%....must be false rumour if this wasn't included.
I need more whippy sticks!!!!!

I hope they have them actually! I lost all my old ones and there is a Wryd spell in Necromunda that's AoE is specifically one of those range finders :-p (gotta love old school rules).

If true, this might be the first GW starter since 2002 that I'm not going to buy. I don't care for either army, and if there's no full rulebook, there really is no reason for me to buy it.

I was doing inventory just the other day and I have 2 starters' worth of Night Goblins and Skaven and almost 5 starters' worth of Dwarves (not to mention 3x each of AOBR and DV), so you could say I'm a starter set enthusiast.

Also, the rumour made no mention of red whippy sticks.

Cannot have a proper starter set without red whippy stick

haha

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, the rumour made no mention of red whippy sticks.

Cannot have a proper starter set without red whippy sticks

Whippy stick is right. Those things hurt like a B!

 Jambles wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, the rumour made no mention of red whippy sticks.

Cannot have a proper starter set without red whippy sticks

Whippy stick is right. Those things hurt like a B!

I don't understand. What else are they meant to be used for?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, the rumour made no mention of red whippy sticks.

Cannot have a proper starter set without red whippy sticks

One of the greatest statements I have ever read on Dakka

Have an exalt

My children fear the whippy sticks.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, the rumour made no mention of red whippy sticks.

Cannot have a proper starter set without red whippy sticks

One of the greatest statements I have ever read on Dakka

Have an exalt

Thank you very much

In retrospect, it is now plainly obvious why the Hobbit starter set sold so poorly...

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Jambles wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, the rumour made no mention of red whippy sticks.

Cannot have a proper starter set without red whippy sticks

Whippy stick is right. Those things hurt like a B!

I don't understand. What else are they meant to be used for?

Well, adulthood certainly opened up a few more options. The GF is a fan, for example...

 Jambles wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Jambles wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, the rumour made no mention of red whippy sticks.

Cannot have a proper starter set without red whippy sticks

Whippy stick is right. Those things hurt like a B!

I don't understand. What else are they meant to be used for?

Well, adulthood certainly opened up a few more options. The GF is a fan, for example...

Lucky. I never could get my wife into the hobby.

I don't think he was talking about the hobby, mate. ;-)

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-first-leaks-age-of-sigmar-free-rules.html#more

We have some solid information now that looks like it was accidentally put onto the German Games Workshop website. The best part is that we have the screenshots that reveal that the Age of Sigmar will come with Free Rules.


I have checked the website, and this is no longer there, or at least that I could find.

Please take this as a rumor right now, until at least someone can either find it or verify it. I have closely checked the images and the site, and it all seems to line up.


The page reads like this......
"Contained within this free download is the core ruleset needed in order to begin your own adventures within the Age of Sigmar. This four-page PDF is yours to keep, print out and play with, and when combined with the Warscroll Compendium or two-available below, also totally free- is everything you need to know. Grab it, read it, and begin playing right away!"


Here are the images sent in by a reader on Faeit 212
A member of our gaming group send a screengrab of the German webstore with
a pod of Macragge Blue labled as Warhammer: Age of Sigmar Rules (PDF).

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I don't think he was talking about the hobby, mate. ;-)

Its his other hobby.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Ogres better make a come back I just spent 4 hours sculpting a new ogre tyrant and need to spend another 60+ lol

Last night I played my first small game of Kings of War with an Ogre army - my good lady had control of the dwarfs.
...
...
...
Ow.

Next time, I hope we are allies - the result was a draw, with a pretty heavy death toll on both sides. (In a campaign game it would have been crippling for both of us.)

We have decided that we need some chariots for our ogre forces - if my ogres had gotten to the enemy faster, allowing the Red Goblins to hold the objectives, I think that I would have won. As it was, we each ended up only holding the objective closest to our deployment zones. (Most often the ogres will be an ally for the dwarfs.)

That horrible, horrible Red Goblin Blaster would also have made a difference - taking out even one of her Ironclad units would have freed up an objective. (The Blaster is pretty much a cart filled with explosives - and counts toward the enemies victory points when it aslodes. But any unit with in range is in for a world of hurt - 2d6 hits with Crushing Strength 4.)

On the plus side, their tactics were pretty simple - get in close, and lay waste. (For the record - the ogre Shooters with Blunderbusses were freakin' awesome! They are why the dwarfs didn't win. Great in hand to hand and at range.)

For some reason, I have an urge to paint up an army of Ogre Highlanders, complete with kilts and bagpipes.

The Auld Grump

Hmm, why put a pdf listing in the webstore and this mention of warscrolls compendium?

On the other hand with GW's love of digital, maybe the plan is to save money on actually printing the ruleset for the starter and instead hope/pray people will print themselves or use it on a device, and the fans will buy the £50 tome anyway.

Hope not, either way if there are no physical rules in the box, no deal, but to the target market 12 year old's parents they won't care as they'll just buy him another tablet when he loses/drops the one the rules are on.....

You know....

What if Warhammer Age of Sigmar really instead is just a board game, but we get something awesome, like, a dungeon crawler?

I mean...begin my Adventures with the free pdf rulebook? Adventures? Doesn't sound like a battle word.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Hmm, why put a pdf listing in the webstore and this mention of warscrolls compendium?

On the other hand with GW's love of digital, maybe the plan is to save money on actually printing the ruleset for the starter and instead hope/pray people will print themselves or use it on a device, and the fans will buy the £50 tome anyway.

Hope not, either way if there are no physical rules in the box, no deal, but to the target market 12 year old's parents they won't care as they'll just buy him another tablet when he loses/drops the one the rules are on.....

To be fair, it says the rules are 4 pages; we don't know how many pages the warscroll (the blurb says it's free too) will be but if the core rules are 4 pages, they can't be too taxing on the printer.

Im gussing the warscrolls might be army lists????????

Warscroll compendium sounds suspiciously like army/stat lists for the existing models

download and play with them now, new models will come with them in the box

Doesn't sound too terrible; here's hoping the rules writers didn't get themselves in too much trouble with only 4 pages...

 Jambles wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, the rumour made no mention of red whippy sticks.

Cannot have a proper starter set without red whippy sticks

Whippy stick is right. Those things hurt like a B!

Perhaps GW is emergency diverting those to their one man stores for managers to "encourage" higher sales from the remaining employees. If one isn't included, perhaps there will be a deluxe whippy stick with LE direct only faux gold barb embellishments to mark the inches for only $50.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Ogres better make a come back I just spent 4 hours sculpting a new ogre tyrant and need to spend another 60+ lol

Last night I played my first small game of Kings of War with an Ogre army - my good lady had control of the dwarfs.
...
...
...
Ow.

Next time, I hope we are allies - the result was a draw, with a pretty heavy death toll on both sides. (In a campaign game it would have been crippling for both of us.)

We have decided that we need some chariots for our ogre forces - if my ogres had gotten to the enemy faster, allowing the Red Goblins to hold the objectives, I think that I would have won. As it was, we each ended up only holding the objective closest to our deployment zones. (Most often the ogres will be an ally for the dwarfs.)

That horrible, horrible Red Goblin Blaster would also have made a difference - taking out even one of her Ironclad units would have freed up an objective. (The Blaster is pretty much a cart filled with explosives - and counts toward the enemies victory points when it aslodes. But any unit with in range is in for a world of hurt - 2d6 hits with Crushing Strength 4.)

On the plus side, their tactics were pretty simple - get in close, and lay waste. (For the record - the ogre Shooters with Blunderbusses were freakin' awesome! They are why the dwarfs didn't win. Great in hand to hand and at range.)

For some reason, I have an urge to paint up an army of Ogre Highlanders, complete with kilts and bagpipes.

The Auld Grump

Did you mean to post this in the KoW Battle Report forum or something?

Nah, he was just preparing everyone for how awesome KoW will be for everyone who rage quits Warhammer when AoS hits.

You can't argue with free rules/army lists, and it's certainly a great thing to see from GW too, if true. And it's a smart move as well, especially if AoS is designed to attract new players. Free rules is a big seller.

The starter box contents don't seem too shocking to me, as it's not too far off from IoB, which gives me hope that 9th won't be too different after all. The lack of rules wouldn't be a problem at all if the other rumour of free rules is true.

Overall these are pretty positive developments, I'd say

I am most intrigued at this point. I was probably going to buy just the rulebook, but depending on what the box set turns out to be (starter, or sidegame/board game/something else), I may shell out for both. What I'm really waiting to hear at this point is... Square or round bases?!?! I'd like to know how to polish off the WoC force I've been working on

 The Shadow wrote:
You can't argue with free rules/army lists, and it's certainly a great thing to see from GW too, if true. And it's a smart move as well, especially if AoS is designed to attract new players. Free rules is a big seller.

The starter box contents don't seem too shocking to me, as it's not too far off from IoB, which gives me hope that 9th won't be too different after all. The lack of rules wouldn't be a problem at all if the other rumour of free rules is true.

Overall these are pretty positive developments, I'd say

If GW provides updated army lists for all of the armies to work in this edition, if only as a free pdf. I think I might be happy.

 Mort wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Ogres better make a come back I just spent 4 hours sculpting a new ogre tyrant and need to spend another 60+ lol

Last night I played my first small game of Kings of War with an Ogre army - my good lady had control of the dwarfs.
...
...
...
Ow.

Next time, I hope we are allies - the result was a draw, with a pretty heavy death toll on both sides. (In a campaign game it would have been crippling for both of us.)

We have decided that we need some chariots for our ogre forces - if my ogres had gotten to the enemy faster, allowing the Red Goblins to hold the objectives, I think that I would have won. As it was, we each ended up only holding the objective closest to our deployment zones. (Most often the ogres will be an ally for the dwarfs.)

That horrible, horrible Red Goblin Blaster would also have made a difference - taking out even one of her Ironclad units would have freed up an objective. (The Blaster is pretty much a cart filled with explosives - and counts toward the enemies victory points when it aslodes. But any unit with in range is in for a world of hurt - 2d6 hits with Crushing Strength 4.)

On the plus side, their tactics were pretty simple - get in close, and lay waste. (For the record - the ogre Shooters with Blunderbusses were freakin' awesome! They are why the dwarfs didn't win. Great in hand to hand and at range.)

For some reason, I have an urge to paint up an army of Ogre Highlanders, complete with kilts and bagpipes.

The Auld Grump

Did you mean to post this in the KoW Battle Report forum or something?

No, simply a reminder that if folks are not happy with whatever happens to their armies that there are alternatives that allow them to use their armies pretty much as is. It is a continuation of something that I mentioned to Mr. O. Chubbs previously. *EDIT* At the time I had not had any experience with Ogres in Kings of War - now that I have I can say that they can at least hold their own.

I do not know if Rage-Quit is quite what I mean, though... more like Moving On - which leaves the option of Coming Back if either the game does not suck, or that GW decides to bring back a new generation of Warhammer after AoS falls on its face.

There have been a few folks that have stated that they intend to sell off/trash their mini collections if AoS lives down to their expectations. Me, I'd druther they find a way to keep using their armies. A large army is a major investment to scrap.

The Auld Grump - I will admit, I do expect AoS to make a face shaped impression upon the sand....

And it still has nothing to do with the news and rumours of what the topic is.

I don't know about any of you, but I actually want more info about Age of Sigmar rather than some other game that I might have taken a look at if only it hadn't been shoved into my face.

 The Shadow wrote:
You can't argue with free rules/army lists, and it's certainly a great thing to see from GW too, if true. And it's a smart move as well, especially if AoS is designed to attract new players. Free rules is a big seller.

The starter box contents don't seem too shocking to me, as it's not too far off from IoB, which gives me hope that 9th won't be too different after all. The lack of rules wouldn't be a problem at all if the other rumour of free rules is true.

Overall these are pretty positive developments, I'd say

My biggest issue with that screengrab is the fact that anyone can change the text of a webpage by right clicking on the text and pressing select element, and typing whatever the hell they want to the page. I wouldn't be so sure about the free rules.

I made an example for you

At free, we'd finally be at the right price for GW rules, at the very least.

Exalted

I was wondering why half the page was in English....

TheAuldGrump wrote:
There have been a few folks that have stated that they intend to sell off/trash their mini collections if AoS lives down to their expectations. Me, I'd druther they find a way to keep using their armies. A large army is a major investment to scrap.

Well said, sir.

Lou_Cypher wrote:
I don't know about any of you, but I actually want more info about Age of Sigmar rather than some other game that I might have taken a look at if only it hadn't been shoved into my face.

It's one post in an 80+ page topic, in response to worries about Warhammer ogres: I think you'll survive. You might even be glad of it one day.

 atribix wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:
You can't argue with free rules/army lists, and it's certainly a great thing to see from GW too, if true. And it's a smart move as well, especially if AoS is designed to attract new players. Free rules is a big seller.

The starter box contents don't seem too shocking to me, as it's not too far off from IoB, which gives me hope that 9th won't be too different after all. The lack of rules wouldn't be a problem at all if the other rumour of free rules is true.

Overall these are pretty positive developments, I'd say

My biggest issue with that screengrab is the fact that anyone can change the text of a webpage by right clicking on the text and pressing select element, and typing whatever the hell they want to the page. I wouldn't be so sure about the free rules.

I made an example for you

Exactly this. Any idiot can alter a web page to say anything they want and then screenshot it.

An entire URL being accidentally hosted is something that happens every now and then. Random text showing up on pages that already exist about some new product is insanely unlikely, even from GW.

 atribix wrote:

OMG! Best leak evah!

Someone get this to Warseer right away!

That totally looks like a legit GW page!.. Especially with the "yo".

Commissar-Danno wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:
You can't argue with free rules/army lists, and it's certainly a great thing to see from GW too, if true. And it's a smart move as well, especially if AoS is designed to attract new players. Free rules is a big seller.

The starter box contents don't seem too shocking to me, as it's not too far off from IoB, which gives me hope that 9th won't be too different after all. The lack of rules wouldn't be a problem at all if the other rumour of free rules is true.

Overall these are pretty positive developments, I'd say

If GW provides updated army lists for all of the armies to work in this edition, if only as a free pdf. I think I might be happy.

It probably requires an $85 yearly subscription.

Lou_Cypher wrote:And it still has nothing to do with the news and rumours of what the topic is.

I don't know about any of you, but I actually want more info about Age of Sigmar rather than some other game that I might have taken a look at if only it hadn't been shoved into my face.

If there was something to talk about we would.

1 week to go before "all is revealed" according to What's New Today :-)

TwilightSparkles wrote:
Hope not, either way if there are no physical rules in the box, no deal, but to the target market 12 year old's parents they won't care as they'll just buy him another tablet when he loses/drops the one the rules are on.....

Good grief - your bitterness just leaked through my screen and made me do a lemon face

 Bottle wrote:
1 week to go before "all is revealed" according to What's New Today :-)

I'm hoping we will know a bit more before then, maybe tuesday/wednesday with info in WD? Frankly all I'm bothered about at the moment is what bases are we going to be using in the new edition! I've got some models that I want to base up and I don't know if we are going squares or circles... For the record a move to 25mm round bases would make me infinitely happy, I've never liked squares and ranking up high elf phoenix guard on 20mm square bases is a painful experience... Also hope the rumours regarding the different unit formations are correct, it would add a nice tactical edge to the game, and make some sense. If a unit wants to spread out and skirmish then why not, its the generals decision? Equally if they want to pack together and shield wall it, again, it should be the generals decision...

Time will tell....

Has anybody had a right proper look at the GW website?

There's bound to be hidden messages, Easter eggs, anagrams, something.

Has anybody tried looking at the webstore using infa-red or ultra violet wavelength?


As for the rules. Who's willing to bet that even with 4 pages of rules, the games designers would have overlooked serious balance issues

Pepticsalve wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
1 week to go before "all is revealed" according to What's New Today :-)

I'm hoping we will know a bit more before then, maybe tuesday/wednesday with info in WD? Frankly all I'm bothered about at the moment is what bases are we going to be using in the new edition! I've got some models that I want to base up and I don't know if we are going squares or circles... For the record a move to 25mm round bases would make me infinitely happy, I've never liked squares and ranking up high elf phoenix guard on 20mm square bases is a painful experience... Also hope the rumours regarding the different unit formations are correct, it would add a nice tactical edge to the game, and make some sense. If a unit wants to spread out and skirmish then why not, its the generals decision? Equally if they want to pack together and shield wall it, again, it should be the generals decision...

Time will tell....

Do half on square, half on rounds. Problem solved.

Next.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:


Do half on square, half on rounds. Problem solved.

Next.

LOL! I'm sort of tempted to do them on hexagons or triangles ;-)

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Hmm, why put a pdf listing in the webstore and this mention of warscrolls compendium?

They did the same with the last Hobbit book if I recall. It was listed as a product, but with no cost and Download instead of Add to Cart.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Has anybody had a right proper look at the GW website?

There's bound to be hidden messages, Easter eggs, anagrams, something.

Has anybody tried looking at the webstore using infa-red or ultra violet wavelength?

As for the rules. Who's willing to bet that even with 4 pages of rules, the games designers would have overlooked serious balance issues

Invert your colours and turn your screen side ways, too.

Come on Dakka - We Can Do This (with apologies to reddit).

I agree that that supposed german screen would be *very* easy to fake but I still find myself half-believing it, just because it would be a sensible thing to do - some free transitional rules for the old range so people stop talking about the sky falling, followed by more traditional book releases later for each of the new/consolidated factions. Still, not long to go now until "all is revealed"...

Army books have been pulled from the web store.

So the current rumours are that the models aren't being discontinued right? Because there's a lot of models that I really like and don't own yet, would be a shame to see them just dissapear. Obviously I know nothing's concrete yet info wise.

 ImAGeek wrote:
So the current rumours are that the models aren't being discontinued right? Because there's a lot of models that I really like and don't own yet, would be a shame to see them just dissapear. Obviously I know nothing's concrete yet info wise.

You can find a rumour to support any theory at this point. If there are models you like keep an eye on the webstore. For example, they gave a week's notice that the Island of Blood boxset was going to be pulled.

ShaneTB wrote:
Army books have been pulled from the web store.

Along with all ET books and Triumph and Treachery and Island of Blood.


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ShaneTB wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
So the current rumours are that the models aren't being discontinued right? Because there's a lot of models that I really like and don't own yet, would be a shame to see them just dissapear. Obviously I know nothing's concrete yet info wise.

You can find a rumour to support any theory at this point. If there are models you like keep an eye on the webstore. For example, they gave a week's notice that the Island of Blood boxset was going to be pulled.

If the whole "Warscroll Compendium" thing is actually true, that will be telling to see if something for sure will be gone.

There was a rumor about various Empire and Chaos stuff that were going to be pulled, which were connected to the things that were being mentioned being in the starter set per various rumors. These were Empire Knights, State Troops, Crossbowmen/Handgunners and Free Company and then Chaos Warriors.

So far, I haven't seen anything posted with a disclaimer on them like the Army books had, which stated they would be pulled on 6/26 to prepare for AoS.

 ImAGeek wrote:
So the current rumours are that the models aren't being discontinued right? Because there's a lot of models that I really like and don't own yet, would be a shame to see them just dissapear. Obviously I know nothing's concrete yet info wise.

I was told by a GW manager that the development and tooling costs for a new set of citadel figures can run in the hundreds of thousands of pounds for some stuff - there is no way games workshop will be pulling the entire line of fantasy, which would amount to several millions pounds of development and re-tooling (for the moulds etc). Sure, some stuff will get a refresh, like minis which come in the starter set etc... and a few things might get pulled when new stuff comes to replace it, but it would cost the company far too much money to completely re-do all of their fantasy stuff, not to mention be a complete waste of time as many of the models they sell are already of fantastic quality and have nothing wrong with them... And for models which were released only a few years ago they probably haven't made enough of a profit yet to recoup their initial development and tooling costs - no company is going to ditch a product until it can break even on it. I'd be shocked if more than about 10% of the product line got replaced. Whether or not the models still for sale will actually be useful in age of sigmar remains to be seen, but they'll keep selling all the fantasy range for the time being...

JESUS CHRIST THOSE MODELS, ME THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL,

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Look at those Sigmarite war machines, look at that dragon demigryphon lizard thing, look at those stellar wings, look at the kick ass sorceror

Look at it....
LOOK AT IT

Ohh dang, I really like those.
Is that chaos in the far back?

They're literally space marines for WFB :S what the hell, GW?

It's like Empire meets Sanguinary Guard!

I sure hope this esthetic is carried over into future sets!

Ill take 2.

Meh, warriors of chaos already look like marines, this is literally like the Empire got tired of looking puny compared to the northern lifters and Sigmar said it, take these sigmaroids and pummel those chaos loving pansies in the face.

Nah not nearly to the same extent, this looks like they ctrl+c ctrl+v'd sanguinary guard and gave them hammers. Very underwhelming.

The Chaos Standard Bearer guy at the back looks quite nice, the rest you can keep where they came from (40k).

Cant get over the winged guys, crests and everything, that would make one badass Minotaur/Ultramarine chapter master.

Holy crap. Me love!

Looks like quite a few are on 40's and the rest are on 32's. Or maybe 25's and 40's but those shield guys have huge bases.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Meh, warriors of chaos already look like marines, this is literally like the Empire got tired of looking puny compared to the northern lifters and Sigmar said it, take these sigmaroids and pummel those chaos loving pansies in the face.

YES!!!!!!!!!!

Sigmaroids is getting stolen

MaxT wrote:
The Chaos Standard Bearer guy at the back looks quite nice, the rest you can keep where they came from (40k).

I may be wrong but I think he's an Empire model, just judging by his armor, hammer, and the holy relic he's holding.

Gross. Goodbye visual distinction between 40k and Fantasy. No thanks.

Some look like fancy thunder warriors with those lightning bolts...

The standard bearer is a Sigmarite. Pretty sure all the chaos guys are on the opposite page.

Lovely models btw. Maybe it's just me but they also seem to be scaled a bit better than your average GW human model. Probably all the bulk doing the work.

I want to know what the chaos half looks like now.

I hope this guy's aren't replacing me little state troopers. I like the idea of the common man fighting to protect his home.

How inspired, Fantasy Space Marines...

They are pretty, but it's just an update with a more robust armor and some hammers.

The gold gives a nice visual, but I don't see anything special in those miniatures...

Not bad,

I certainly want some of the winged versions,

now where's that leaked box set contents list (considering some stuff is off page)?, how does this line up with that for the Sigmarite faction

Age of Sigmar Contents
1x Empire General on Griffin
5x Knights of Sigmar
10x State Troops with Spears
10x State Troops with Muskets

Hmm not too well

That's terribly stupid. I dread for what follows. Feth you, GW.

Jeezum christ.

 namiel wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Meh, warriors of chaos already look like marines, this is literally like the Empire got tired of looking puny compared to the northern lifters and Sigmar said it, take these sigmaroids and pummel those chaos loving pansies in the face.

YES!!!!!!!!!!

Sigmaroids is getting stolen

Free bottle of sigmaroids with every Age of Sigmar starter set, now you too can lift with Sigmar!

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Meh, warriors of chaos already look like marines, this is literally like the Empire got tired of looking puny compared to the northern lifters and Sigmar said it, take these sigmaroids and pummel those chaos loving pansies in the face.

EXALTED!

I LOL'd!

Also - Look at all the round bases!

This looks amazing. Very, very cool.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Not bad,

I certainly want some of the winged versions,

now where's that leaked box set contents list?, how does this line up with that for the Sigmarite faction

There's a mounted general, that's about it.

This means the whole skirmish stuff will likely be real? Thank you GW, my jimmies have ben rustled.

Holy crap, those are cool.

So, no female model, despite what some rumors were saying. Bad, bad GW.

It looks pretty cool. Not a faction I'd want to collect, but one I wouldn't mind as a backdrop in the next computer RPG. Which is what they look like. Diablo paladins.

Well, I think they look like crap. I'll wait and see what happens next, but I'll try and see if I can salvage some of my more recent WHFB purchases - might try and get some Skullreapers on round bases so I can at least use them in 40K.

Nothing says post-apocalyptic struggle for survival quite like over embroidered golden muscle boys with hammers... This is beyond stupid, even for GW's current standard of "quality".

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The standard bearer is a Sigmarite. Pretty sure all the chaos guys are on the opposite page.

Hum, if those were for normal WFB, I would say they only make sense as a Slaanesh army. The gold stuff it just perfect for Slaanesh. But given it is OMGWTFBBQ of Sigmar, well, they could be Sigmarites. Or Vampires. Or maybe the new Skaven, for all the sense GW is making.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Holy crap. Me love!

Looks like quite a few are on 40's and the rest are on 32's. Or maybe 25's and 40's but those shield guys have huge bases.

I think they're all on 32mm bases, it's just the angle that makes it look different. The mounted guy is on their new ovals that's 60x35.5 or the 75mm oval. Doesn't look like the large oval that many 40k monstrous creatures use.

The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign?

I dig them, but it's somewhat ironic that they appear to have made Mantic Basileans.

As someone who has almost no interest in Fantasy, those models look really cool.

Now gimme the Chaos stuff, that's what I want!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign?

No, it just means that WHFB might very well be ruined.

Have you seen that logo? Absolutely disgusting.

 Whumbachumba wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Holy crap. Me love!

Looks like quite a few are on 40's and the rest are on 32's. Or maybe 25's and 40's but those shield guys have huge bases.

I think they're all on 32mm bases, it's just the angle that makes it look different. The mounted guy is on their new ovals that's 60x35.5 or the 75mm oval. Doesn't look like the large oval that many 40k monstrous creatures use.

Looking at it again I think you're right. I got throw off by the guy on the far right next to his buddies. Probably all 32's. Either way, me likey. The flying guys and general are awesome. The double handed hammer guys are very nice and the hammer/shield dudes are solid.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign?

No, it just means that WHFB might very well be ruined.

Have you seen that logo? Absolutely disgusting.

... Wait, what? Talk about polarised opinions, this last page has been incredible.

I think they're very good minis. They're just way too noblebright for Warhammer.

I like He Man on Battlecat.

Just a teeny bit excited, there may be a window where this is good before GW feel compelled to drive models sales, fiddle with it and break it.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So, no female model, despite what some rumors were saying. Bad, bad GW.

Being saved for the Sisters of Battle/Sigmar cross-game boxes (I made that up, before it ends up elsewhere).

 -Shrike- wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign?

No, it just means that WHFB might very well be ruined.

Have you seen that logo? Absolutely disgusting.

... Wait, what? Talk about polarised opinions, this last page has been incredible.

They're Sanguinary Guard^stupid in Warhammer Fantasy, on round bases. I find the models absolutely hideous, and if this is a sign of what is to come, I feel pretty sad about all the money I spent on WHFB.

Well at least you can keep singing Hammer Time with them guys. I only see hammers.

There's nothing wrong with that logo, for all you know it's a temporary one, and they're using it to call forth a bit of nostalgia to people... But that would be Marketing! That wouldn't be like GW.

PhantomViper wrote:
Nothing says post-apocalyptic struggle for survival quite like over embroidered golden muscle boys with hammers... This is beyond stupid, even for GW's current standard of "quality".

No, it definitely couldn't be anything along the lines of an army powered by a manifest god saving humanity from the evil of the chaos gods.

 -Shrike- wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign?

No, it just means that WHFB might very well be ruined.

Have you seen that logo? Absolutely disgusting.

... Wait, what? Talk about polarised opinions, this last page has been incredible.

If you like Space Marines, yes this might appeal to you.

But if you liked Fantasy, this is the dumbest thing ever.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Whumbachumba wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Holy crap. Me love!

Looks like quite a few are on 40's and the rest are on 32's. Or maybe 25's and 40's but those shield guys have huge bases.

I think they're all on 32mm bases, it's just the angle that makes it look different. The mounted guy is on their new ovals that's 60x35.5 or the 75mm oval. Doesn't look like the large oval that many 40k monstrous creatures use.

Looking at it again I think you're right. I got throw off by the guy on the far right next to his buddies. Probably all 32's. Either way, me likey. The flying guys and general are awesome. The double handed hammer guys are very nice and the hammer/shield dudes are solid.

Yeah, they look sweet! I would be doubly interested if I played Blood Angels as these would make some great kit bashed models. Can't wait to see what the chaos side brings!

All I need are my rules in a starter set and im all in for some AOS

There's nothing about the Sigmarines that can't be grimdarked up with judicious choice of paint and liberal application of weathering powder.

Holy crap- that's just half of the starter kit??!!

The models look nice, but if this is the new direction of fantasy, I don't think I can dig it.

PhantomViper wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign?

No, it just means that WHFB might very well be ruined.

Have you seen that logo? Absolutely disgusting.

... Wait, what? Talk about polarised opinions, this last page has been incredible.

If you like Space Marines, yes this might appeal to you.

But if you liked Fantasy, this is the dumbest thing ever.

What if you like Fantasy and Space Marines? Curious where that fall

PhantomViper wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign?

No, it just means that WHFB might very well be ruined.

Have you seen that logo? Absolutely disgusting.

... Wait, what? Talk about polarised opinions, this last page has been incredible.

If you like Space Marines, yes this might appeal to you.

But if you liked Fantasy, this is the dumbest thing ever.

Yeah, they're nice if you're looking for something to use in your Space Marine army.

They're not if you aren't.

 -Shrike- wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Nothing says post-apocalyptic struggle for survival quite like over embroidered golden muscle boys with hammers... This is beyond stupid, even for GW's current standard of "quality".

No, it definitely couldn't be anything along the lines of an army powered by a manifest god saving humanity from the evil of the chaos gods.

Those types of things never existed in Fantasy.

I like 'em, I really do!

A fantasy version of kitbashable space marines might just be what the game needs (not being sarcastic)!

 Azreal13 wrote:
There's nothing about the Sigmarines that can't be grimdarked up with judicious choice of paint and liberal application of weathering powder.

If anything, I would make the gold armor on the Sigmarites brighter!

Warplock Bronze->Sycorax Bronze->Sepia Wash->Auric Armor Gold

 -Shrike- wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Nothing says post-apocalyptic struggle for survival quite like over embroidered golden muscle boys with hammers... This is beyond stupid, even for GW's current standard of "quality".

No, it definitely couldn't be anything along the lines of an army powered by a manifest god saving humanity from the evil of the chaos gods.

Yeah, because that's something that really fits in the setting!

 Hulksmash wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
The legs on the golden boys' armor look a lot like the leg on Sororitas power armor. Is that a sign?

No, it just means that WHFB might very well be ruined.

Have you seen that logo? Absolutely disgusting.

... Wait, what? Talk about polarised opinions, this last page has been incredible.

If you like Space Marines, yes this might appeal to you.

But if you liked Fantasy, this is the dumbest thing ever.

What if you like Fantasy and Space Marines? Curious where that fall

I like riding motorbikes and eating shellfish. I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't like the two of those combined, it would get pretty messy and would also probably have fatal consequences.

PhantomViper wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Nothing says post-apocalyptic struggle for survival quite like over embroidered golden muscle boys with hammers... This is beyond stupid, even for GW's current standard of "quality".

No, it definitely couldn't be anything along the lines of an army powered by a manifest god saving humanity from the evil of the chaos gods.

Those types of things never existed in Fantasy.

Yes... and guess what, the fluff's moved on.

PhantomViper wrote:
Nothing says post-apocalyptic struggle for survival quite like over embroidered golden muscle boys with hammers... This is beyond stupid, even for GW's current standard of "quality".

The models don't look too bad but I would have to see them up close. However, they are not Warhammer nor faithful to the idea or theme of the game. Empire Greatswords --> those lads. That's a big jump

From a marketing perspective it seems a cunning move from GW as the whole look of them is much more closely aligned to their 40K range with conversion appeal for space marine armies.

Oh yes, those are Beautiful! If the chaos stuff is as good, budgets are being reprioritised!

Looks like another swing and a miss for Steve the Warboss..

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Nothing says post-apocalyptic struggle for survival quite like over embroidered golden muscle boys with hammers... This is beyond stupid, even for GW's current standard of "quality".

The models don't look too bad but I would have to see them up close. However, they are not Warhammer nor faithful to the idea or theme of the game. Empire Greatswords --> those lads. That's a big jump

From a marketing perspective it seems a cunning move from GW as the whole look of them is much more closely aligned to their 40K range with conversion appeal for space marine armies.

Yeah, I imagine the number of Blood Angel/Minotaurs armies will go through the roof when this lands, to say nothing of the Chaos armies! (seriously, just take a pic of the next page... )

 Paradigm wrote:
Oh yes, those are Beautiful! If the chaos stuff is as good, budgets are being reprioritised!

As both of us are Fantasy and Blood Angel players it is doubly good

Meh, not my cup of tea. But I never had much interest in Empire or Space Marines (except when I was 13).

I like the mounted general.

If my friends pick this up, I'll play it.

I'm much more curious now about the factions I do like... if they are going to get a visual update also... eventually.

As it stands, I think my Dark Eldar would fit in better than my Dark Elves.

 -Shrike- wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Nothing says post-apocalyptic struggle for survival quite like over embroidered golden muscle boys with hammers... This is beyond stupid, even for GW's current standard of "quality".

No, it definitely couldn't be anything along the lines of an army powered by a manifest god saving humanity from the evil of the chaos gods.

Those types of things never existed in Fantasy.

Yes... and guess what, the fluff's moved on.

In a pretty bad way, it seems.

A few repeat poses in the picture, do we speculate at snap-fit or limited pose like a lot of recent plastic releases?

 -Shrike- wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Nothing says post-apocalyptic struggle for survival quite like over embroidered golden muscle boys with hammers... This is beyond stupid, even for GW's current standard of "quality".

No, it definitely couldn't be anything along the lines of an army powered by a manifest god saving humanity from the evil of the chaos gods.

Those types of things never existed in Fantasy.

Yes... and guess what, the fluff's moved on.

Not so much moved on as been completely butchered to extract those last few dollars from SM "enthusiasts" it seems.

Ah well, seems like I was holding on to my last Fantasy army in vain, time to get rid of it as well.

Those models look awesome! looking fowrd to seeing the whole shebang up close

I dont quite understand why people seem to hate them. its quite a good look for them, it is 'Age of Sigmar' afterall

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Nothing says post-apocalyptic struggle for survival quite like over embroidered golden muscle boys with hammers... This is beyond stupid, even for GW's current standard of "quality".

No, it definitely couldn't be anything along the lines of an army powered by a manifest god saving humanity from the evil of the chaos gods.

Those types of things never existed in Fantasy.

Yes... and guess what, the fluff's moved on.

In a pretty bad way, it seems.

Before that gets interpreted as a rumour, it was just a guess based on a limited understanding of what happened in Fantasy and what this looks like. I have no idea what the fluff is, I was just giving an example of how they could fit into a post apocalyptic struggle.

 Chaos Emperor wrote:
Those models look awesome! looking fowrd to seeing the whole shebang up close

I dont quite understand why people seem to hate them. its quite a good look for them, it is 'Age of Sigmar' afterall

Maybe because it doesn't go with the entire previously established setting and design?

Just saw this on FB

Chaos half
https://www.dropbox.com/s/abwnvcy6ym94g7j/1435331133918.jpg?dl=0

Age Of Cygnar is now a thing!

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Oh yes, those are Beautiful! If the chaos stuff is as good, budgets are being reprioritised!

As both of us are Fantasy and Blood Angel players it is doubly good

My first set is going probably be just done for Fantasy, but if these guys end up as cheap as normal starter set stuff, more Sanguinary Guard are definitely happening!

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:A few repeat poses in the picture, do we speculate at snap-fit or limited pose like a lot of recent plastic releases?

I'm guessing snap fit, simply as they're in a starter.

At least Chaos looks half-decent.

Chaos half.



At least these look decent.

They look amazing! However they look like 40K models. Someone please explain?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Looks like another swing and a miss for Steve the Warboss..

I am shocked!

Chaos looks totally sweet.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Chaos half
https://www.dropbox.com/s/abwnvcy6ym94g7j/1435331133918.jpg?dl=0

Ugh. Sick of Khorne and Nurgle always being the front runners.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Chaos half
https://www.dropbox.com/s/abwnvcy6ym94g7j/1435331133918.jpg?dl=0

So much potential...

Love the new maruaders (or whatever they end up being).

 pretre wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Looks like another swing and a miss for Steve the Warboss..

I am shocked!

You mean to say he wasn't quite as accurate as he could have been? Surely not!

 NYPetey88 wrote:
They look amazing! However they look like 40K models. Someone please explain?

Games Workshop saw that Space Marines made a lot of money.

Clearly, changing everything into Space Marines will increase sales for WHF (if we can even call it that now).

That looks like a Flesh Hound next to mr Chaos Lord- far left.

So that was their idea for "saving" Fantasy; killing it dead, and then using the opportunity to try and sell more models to Space Marine players to use in their 40k armies under the guise of a new game.

Not a fan...

Just for lulz, here's what Steve the Warboss posted 2 days ago

Age of Sigmar Contents

1x Empire General on Griffin
5x Knights of Sigmar
10x State Troops with Spears
10x State Troops with Muskets

1x Lord of Khorne on Daemonsteed
5x Chaos Knights
10x Chaos Warriors

How unfortunate to be making gak up at the last minute like that.

WHFB now has better Khorne Bezerkers than 40K!

With an explosion of light and thunder, a new age of war has begun. The warriors of the God-King, unleashed upon shafts of magical lightning have arrived in the Mortal Realms, striking the first blow in a war of vengeance.

Sooo...maybe a new faction rather than Empire itself?

 Sidstyler wrote:
So that was their idea for "saving" Fantasy; killing it dead, and then using the opportunity to try and sell more models to Space Marine players to use in their 40k armies under the guise of a new game.

Not a fan...

Sad but true

 unmercifulconker wrote:
JESUS CHRIST THOSE MODELS, ME THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL,

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Look at those Sigmarite war machines, look at that dragon demigryphon lizard thing, look at those stellar wings, look at the kick ass sorceror

Look at it....
LOOK AT IT

DONE....PURCHASING!!!

Those models are flipping lovely! That demigrpyh thing is motuh watering....that's set tho I'm buying it...all I wanted was a picture of the models and I got that...done..buying...so happy...can't contain myself!

They did just reskin and change the arm of the Helbrute from the 40k starter but the rest look really, really cool.

Love the chaos models!! Sigmarines look pretty cool too lol

Best starter set ever!! I hope its all thats pictured and not added kits to fill it out. Either way, very good start. finished my Blightkings, time to finish my glotkin and hope they can all be fielded in the same army!!

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 NYPetey88 wrote:
They look amazing! However they look like 40K models. Someone please explain?

Games Workshop saw that Space Marines made a lot of money.

Clearly, changing everything into Space Marines will increase sales for WHF (if we can even call it that now).

You might be joking, but already people are talking about using them for Space Marine conversion/proxy.

Space Marines have infiltrated Fantasy.

I just hope there's not like 5 different Sigmar factions, each with their own army book.

Wow. What a disaster. The sigmarines are bad, and the chaos are even worse. If this is the future of Warhammer...

I love this, converting everything to 40k

 Red Viper wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 NYPetey88 wrote:
They look amazing! However they look like 40K models. Someone please explain?

Games Workshop saw that Space Marines made a lot of money.

Clearly, changing everything into Space Marines will increase sales for WHF (if we can even call it that now).

You might be joking, but already people are talking about using them for Space Marine conversion/proxy.

Space Marines have infiltrated Fantasy.

I just hope there's not like 5 different Sigmar factions, each with their own army book.

I'm joking and being serious at the same time.

Mainly crying, though. Once the "official" pictures have been released (So you can pre-order this AMAZING set!!!!!!!!11!) I'll be sending GW a Cease & Desist letter!

Oh look, and there's the Chaos half for all the CSM players to put in their 40k armies, and they don't even need to buy extra bases. Not a god damn person buying this box is going to give two gaks about the new Warhammer game and I think even GW knows that.

Ugh.

So from reading the extract under the chaos boys, these sigmarites aren't mortal beings as in part of the Empire?

Need to see the chaos at better quality before making my final judgement on these guys, love the hound with the lord.

Seems like a good starting point, fighting small first to 'open the realmgates' which I imagine will lead to something larger?

Not a fan of the chaos side at all though?! I love the current chaos warriors and stuff but these guys remind me of chaos cultists and hellbrute?

It is a little 40K, but I love the new Chaos vehicle.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Oh look, and there's the Chaos half for all the CSM players to put in their 40k armies, and they don't even need to buy extra bases. Not a god damn person buying this box is going to give two gaks about the new Warhammer game and I think even GW knows that.

Ugh.

That could be true actually... The chaos half is so 40k its ridiculous
I still like the empire/sigmar side tho the models are beautiful

Yeah the big thing does seem to be a spit of the hellbrute, which is why I wanna see it at better quality, mainly because I wasnt a fan of the hellbrute anyway and hope it looks awesome.

I do wonder if these had been ranked up on bases if people would be saying the same thing. I think the combination of the round bases and the skirmish style set up has already thrown people into the 40k frame of mind when looking and it doesn't look like fantasy to them.

Because overall the models are pretty excellent. And now their is a Sigmarite version of Chaos Warriors (which have been in the fluff forever) so I'm seeing the fluff or aesthetic issue (been playing fantasy and 40k for almost 20 years).

 chiefbigredman wrote:
Not a fan of the chaos side at all though?! I love the current chaos warriors and stuff but these guys remind me of chaos cultists and hellbrute?

I just wwant to know how we missed GW hiring Rob Liefeld as a creative director. Those chaos whatevers are right up his alley.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I do wonder if these had been ranked up on bases if people would be saying the same thing. I think the combination of the round bases and the skirmish style set up has already thrown people into the 40k frame of mind when looking and it doesn't look like fantasy to them.

Because overall the models are pretty excellent. And now their is a Sigmarite version of Chaos Warriors (which have been in the fluff forever) so I'm seeing the fluff or aesthetic issue (been playing fantasy and 40k for almost 20 years).

Except that... you know, they all actually look like Space Marines?

They look like Fantasy Terminator. Maybe old Dragio did make it back to the WHFB and showed them how to make storm shields and power hammers.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I do wonder if these had been ranked up on bases if people would be saying the same thing. I think the combination of the round bases and the skirmish style set up has already thrown people into the 40k frame of mind when looking and it doesn't look like fantasy to them.

Because overall the models are pretty excellent. And now their is a Sigmarite version of Chaos Warriors (which have been in the fluff forever) so I'm seeing the fluff or aesthetic issue (been playing fantasy and 40k for almost 20 years).

Yeah, it'd be interesting to see what the Sigmarite Knights (?) look like ranked up in a shield wall. I think it would certainly look a lot more like the old Fantasy.

Im liking all these new models.

All of them look great in the own regard, without having to compare them to la space marines and what not.

Now comparing it to Warmahoards
Sigmanoids looks way to close to it. but the chaos side looks flipin awesome.

 Kanluwen wrote:

With an explosion of light and thunder, a new age of war has begun. The warriors of the God-King, unleashed upon shafts of magical lightning have arrived in the Mortal Realms, striking the first blow in a war of vengeance.

Sooo...maybe a new faction rather than Empire itself?

Thats what im getting from reading that, will be interesting if true as I wonder what the Empire will look like now.

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

With an explosion of light and thunder, a new age of war has begun. The warriors of the God-King, unleashed upon shafts of magical lightning have arrived in the Mortal Realms, striking the first blow in a war of vengeance.

Sooo...maybe a new faction rather than Empire itself?

Thats what im getting from reading that, will be interesting if true as I wonder what the Empire will look like now.

Space Marines, probably.

well
They are decent looking figures...but, not warhammer, and i have no desire to replace a massed fantasy game with yet another skirmish game, with an aesthetic that's really already on the market. I already had a glut of various skirmish games to play, well see how this is maybe it'll be the best skirmish game evah! but lets face it, that's pretty unlikely.

I wonder if these will be faction starters, light or dark and a few sheets of "rules" and a price point of less than the traditional two faction starters...but still high enough to be an overall price increase. I really get the feeling that if the scale of battle is going down the price per model is going to go nuts.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I do wonder if these had been ranked up on bases if people would be saying the same thing. I think the combination of the round bases and the skirmish style set up has already thrown people into the 40k frame of mind when looking and it doesn't look like fantasy to them.

Because overall the models are pretty excellent. And now their is a Sigmarite version of Chaos Warriors (which have been in the fluff forever) so I'm seeing the fluff or aesthetic issue (been playing fantasy and 40k for almost 20 years).

Except that... you know, they all actually look like Space Marines?

Or they look like one unit in 40k that's designed to look like they are wearing archaic plate mail. They don't look a thing like standard space marines except that they are wearing armor....

But to each their own. We're going to see what we see. Personally I love the Sigmar side and like everything but the warriors on the chaos side. I see the look being good for selling starters and getting people to possibly be playing fantasy again. Whether that Fantasy will resemble the last 20 years of fantasy or not we'll see.

If this is GW's master strategy for saving Fantasy, then the company's in deeper trouble than I thought.

Sanguinary Guard and a chaplain in Terminator armour is what the empire has transformed into? Not for me...

If I want space marines, I'll buy space marines.

If I want Chaos space marines...you can see where this is going.

These models hint at a creative drought. The two systems are now virtually indistinguishable.

I've made my choice. My money's going on Flames of War: Berlin.


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 knighthaunter wrote:
well
They are decent looking figures...but, not warhammer, and i have no desire to replace a massed fantasy game with yet another skirmish game, with an aesthetic that's really already on the market. I already had a glut of various skirmish games to play, well see how this is maybe it'll be the best skirmish game evah! but lets face it, that's pretty unlikely.

I wonder if these will be faction starters, light or dark and a few sheets of "rules" and a price point of less than the traditional two faction starters...but still high enough to be an overall price increase. I really get the feeling that if the scale of battle is going down the price per model is going to go nuts.

This.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Just saw this on FB

Can anyone say war machine cygnar?

This is essentially 40k. There is almost zero difference between space marines and chaos marines in the 40k
line

Just going back to that "world has split into bubbles" thing, as a staunch traditionalist the only explosion of bubbles I want to see is the humourous one I create myself in the bath.

The models look cool though. Although the Imperial Griffon has still got a fat chest.

 Hulksmash wrote:
They don't look a thing like standard space marines except that they are wearing armor....

In your opinion. Personally I think all they need are bolters and backpacks and you'd never know the difference.

Motograter wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Just saw this on FB

Can anyone say war machine cygnar?

This is essentially 40k. There is almost zero difference between space marines and chaos marines in the 40k
line

That's because CSM have ancient models. I mean, look at Forgeworld for proper CSM.

Phew - my wallet was slightly worried that GW might drag me back in with a decent Fantasy relaunch.

It can sleep soundly now.

As polarizing as this release is clearly going to be...

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Man. It looks like they've chosen to completely abandon the 30-year old aesthetic that made Warhammer such a unique universe.

Warhammer is now Flash Gordon shoved through a He-Man filter.

Barf.

So, I dunno. I guess those models could make decent D'n'D paladins for an over the top god of lawful Bling?

But I'm sad to see that it's going to be beefcake on beefcake in a battle for Castle Skullface from here on out. I loved some of the old art with ragged, grizzled empire troops dueling the brutal, massive orcs. Much more unique in terms of what is on the market than OTT Knights of the Power Rangers.

The execution is competent, I just don't like the style. Ah well - at least I know it's over now. Might pick up an Island of Blood before they're all gone, or something.

I find it amusing they swapped what the armies are known for. Now the empire replacement cygmar soldiers are the superstrong elite few, and the chaos soldiers are the many weak individuals struggling to take down a guy 3 to 1. Remember when it used to be a block of 20 empire spearmen fighting 5 chaos warriors?

Ages ago, about 40 pages

I speculated that perhaps AOS really was Age of Sigmar. What do I mean by that?

Setting the game in Sigmar's time, barbarian tribes battling for control of the Empire, ancient Dwarves, feral looking Skaven, Chaos invasions led by Krell etc etc

A raw, savage look like that, could have won me, and I suspect others, over.

That would have been a design aesthetic to be proud off. That's what I would have done.

Sooooo sweet plastic! Going to have to get this now. I'm really loving the new wf direction.

 judgedoug wrote:
Man. It looks like they've chosen to completely abandon the 30-year old aesthetic that made Warhammer such a unique universe.

Warhammer is now Flash Gordon shoved through a He-Man filter.

Barf.

Those winged guys and skullface will make cool conversion materials for iq28

migooo wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Man. It looks like they've chosen to completely abandon the 30-year old aesthetic that made Warhammer such a unique universe.

Warhammer is now Flash Gordon shoved through a He-Man filter.

Barf.

Those winged guys and skullface will make cool conversion materials for iq28

I believe that's basically the point of Warhammer Fantasy now - kits you can use in 40K.

Also, not liking the new bases. Pointlessly increasing footprint size is not good.

Wow! The new minis are looking pretty badass! Especially the Chaos!

Yup as said above i think they just created "age of sigmar" so people can kitbash everything into 40k.. If i had multiple armies for WHFB i would be pretty pissed that not only would i have to rebase everything but also that out of my collection maybe only 25% to 30% if even that will ever be used in the game again... and that's ONLY if my army made it through the comet that hit WHFB didn't kill off my race/army.

One of the many reasons i thought WHFB lost some of it's business was that the start up cost for some armies was more expensive than 40k due to the increased game size and the amount of models needed if you didn't tailor a list around "smallest army possible".

For people that never got into fantasy they might like this direction and finally start. I knew that these kits look even more compatible with the 40k kits for the people that love converting and that at least is a good sign. But for those who have had an army for fantasy let alone multiple armies i feel this is a slap to the face. That and we know now that GW has no qualms whatsoever of just wiping a line when sales are bad (it was soylent squats all this time..).

God you guys are all doom and gloom. Its as if there are ZERO other armies to play... "omg Space marines" Games ruined cuss I clearly have to only play space marines...

Chopxsticks wrote:
God you guys are all doom and gloom. Its as if there are ZERO other armies to play... "omg Space marines" Games ruined cuss I clearly have to only play space marines...

It shows the new direction of WHFB.

You notice how there aren't any musicians or standard bearers in these models... Its looking like everything we knew about warhammer fantasy has been thrown out the window... I was hoping for something cool with age of sigmar - I think the only people who will be happy with this lot are 40k players who are going to get some fun minis for converting into their space marine or chaos armies... I'll reserve final judgement until I see the rule book but its looking pretty bleak for fantasy as we knew it before :-(

Might have been pointed out before but the text under the Chaos half seems to me to indicate that the warriors of light aren't the New Empire... they're like Sigmar's personal guard in some realm of the gods. The new terrain bits behind them must be the "Realmgates" that they have to open. Perhaps Age of Sigmar is a campaign style book where these guys open the realmgates and allow the old races to interact again? Possibly? It also says "Age of Sigmar tells the first chapter in this war against Chaos..." So more box sets to come maybe?

The models look amazing but very 40k....

cerealkiller195 wrote:
Yup as said above i think they just created "age of sigmar" so people can kitbash everything into 40k.. If i had multiple armies for WHFB i would be pretty pissed that not only would i have to rebase everything but also that out of my collection maybe only 25% to 30% if even that will ever be used in the game again... and that's ONLY if my army made it through the comet that hit WHFB didn't kill off my race/army.

One of the many reasons i thought WHFB lost some of it's business was that the start up cost for some armies was more expensive than 40k due to the increased game size and the amount of models needed if you didn't tailor a list around "smallest army possible".

For people that never got into fantasy they might like this direction and finally start. I knew that these kits look even more compatible with the 40k kits for the people that love converting and that at least is a good sign. But for those who have had an army for fantasy let alone multiple armies i feel this is a slap to the face. That and we know now that GW has no qualms whatsoever of just wiping a line when sales are bad (it was soylent squats all this time..).

I'm trying to give these new models the benefit of the doubt, but I agree with you on the kit bash thing. GW are looking to make these models as 40k as possible, in the hope that the two games can cross-over, so they won't lose a lot of money on fantasy, as they have been doing these past years.

My 40k knowledge ain't that great these days, but if I didn't know about AOS and I seen these armies on a table at a FLGS, I would quite happily believe I was watching a 40k game.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
God you guys are all doom and gloom. Its as if there are ZERO other armies to play... "omg Space marines" Games ruined cuss I clearly have to only play space marines...

It shows the new direction of WHFB.

No, it shows the aesthetic style of a new faction. Please stop pretending that Sigmarite knights existing will somehow invalidate an army of vampire counts or skaven.

So let me get this right, some of you saw that two units of one faction, in the entire upcoming game, resemble a unit from 40K and decided the whole game has now been transformed into Space Marines?

I can't say what I think about that kind of logic out loud but you probably guessed it already, joking aside.

Pepticsalve wrote:
You notice how there aren't any musicians or standard bearers in these models... Its looking like everything we knew about warhammer fantasy has been thrown out the window... I was hoping for something cool with age of sigmar - I think the only people who will be happy with this lot are 40k players who are going to get some fun minis for converting into their space marine or chaos armies... I'll reserve final judgement until I see the rule book but its looking pretty bleak for fantasy as we knew it before :-(

Good point about the musicians and standard bearers. I never noticed that.

Pepticsalve wrote:
You notice how there aren't any musicians or standard bearers in these models... Its looking like everything we knew about warhammer fantasy has been thrown out the window... I was hoping for something cool with age of sigmar - I think the only people who will be happy with this lot are 40k players who are going to get some fun minis for converting into their space marine or chaos armies... I'll reserve final judgement until I see the rule book but its looking pretty bleak for fantasy as we knew it before :-(

Bro, did you miss the chaos dude blowing the horn right next to his standard bearer??

Pepticsalve wrote:
You notice how there aren't any musicians or standard bearers in these models... Its looking like everything we knew about warhammer fantasy has been thrown out the window... I was hoping for something cool with age of sigmar - I think the only people who will be happy with this lot are 40k players who are going to get some fun minis for converting into their space marine or chaos armies... I'll reserve final judgement until I see the rule book but its looking pretty bleak for fantasy as we knew it before :-(

You mean apart from the giant fething standard the Maraudery types are carrying??

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Pepticsalve wrote:
You notice how there aren't any musicians or standard bearers in these models... Its looking like everything we knew about warhammer fantasy has been thrown out the window... I was hoping for something cool with age of sigmar - I think the only people who will be happy with this lot are 40k players who are going to get some fun minis for converting into their space marine or chaos armies... I'll reserve final judgement until I see the rule book but its looking pretty bleak for fantasy as we knew it before :-(

Good point about the musicians and standard bearers. I never noticed that.

One of the marauding bare-chested Khornate viking people (do we know what any of these models are called yet? ) is carrying an icon.

 Runic wrote:
So let me get this right, some of you saw that two units of one faction, in the entire upcoming game, resemble a unit from 40K and decided the whole game has now been transformed into Space Marines?

I can't say what I think but you probably guessed it already, joking aside.

Round bases, a character that looks like a chaplain in Terminator armour and some 'new' Sanguinary Guard models, and people are saying the game doesn't look like 40k?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Pepticsalve wrote:
You notice how there aren't any musicians or standard bearers in these models... Its looking like everything we knew about warhammer fantasy has been thrown out the window... I was hoping for something cool with age of sigmar - I think the only people who will be happy with this lot are 40k players who are going to get some fun minis for converting into their space marine or chaos armies... I'll reserve final judgement until I see the rule book but its looking pretty bleak for fantasy as we knew it before :-(

Good point about the musicians and standard bearers. I never noticed that.

Except for the marauders at the front - one is carrying a standard, another is blowing a horn.

There's also a BSB off to the right for Chaos, and a Sigmar BSB at the back of the picture for the other guys.

Okay fair enough guys I didn't notice them initially. The sigmar dudes don't seem to have command units though...

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Pepticsalve wrote:
You notice how there aren't any musicians or standard bearers in these models... Its looking like everything we knew about warhammer fantasy has been thrown out the window... I was hoping for something cool with age of sigmar - I think the only people who will be happy with this lot are 40k players who are going to get some fun minis for converting into their space marine or chaos armies... I'll reserve final judgement until I see the rule book but its looking pretty bleak for fantasy as we knew it before :-(

Good point about the musicians and standard bearers. I never noticed that.

One of the marauding bare-chested Khornate viking people (do we know what any of these models are called yet? ) is carrying an icon.

Icon? It's 40k! You said it!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Runic wrote:
So let me get this right, some of you saw that two units of one faction, in the entire upcoming game, resemble a unit from 40K and decided the whole game has now been transformed into Space Marines?

I can't say what I think but you probably guessed it already, joking aside.

Round bases, a character that looks like a chaplain in Terminator armour and some 'new' Sanguinary Guard models, and people are saying the game doesn't look like 40k?

Haven't round bases been coming for a while? IDK, I don't follow Fantasy normally.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Pepticsalve wrote:
You notice how there aren't any musicians or standard bearers in these models... Its looking like everything we knew about warhammer fantasy has been thrown out the window... I was hoping for something cool with age of sigmar - I think the only people who will be happy with this lot are 40k players who are going to get some fun minis for converting into their space marine or chaos armies... I'll reserve final judgement until I see the rule book but its looking pretty bleak for fantasy as we knew it before :-(

Good point about the musicians and standard bearers. I never noticed that.

One of the marauding bare-chested Khornate viking people (do we know what any of these models are called yet? ) is carrying an icon.

Icon? It's 40k! You said it!

Pfft. I play 40k, I see icons and dead bodies rather than standards and musicians.

Wondering how much this is going to cost me? And kinda don't care.

I really like them.

 -Shrike- wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
God you guys are all doom and gloom. Its as if there are ZERO other armies to play... "omg Space marines" Games ruined cuss I clearly have to only play space marines...

It shows the new direction of WHFB.

No, it shows the aesthetic style of a new faction. Please stop pretending that Sigmarite knights existing will somehow invalidate an army of vampire counts or skaven.

EXACTLY!!! If you don't like the faction, play something else. If your a 40k player ya this might ease you into Fantasy. Its not the first heavily armored fantasy guys ive ever seen, be it other games or anime, so I guess im not as shocked.

Interested to see more of what these turn out like, hopefully some better shots at some point soon.

Certainly a big leap in terms of concept from what has come before. It obviously ties in with the fact that stuff within the WHFB was very difficult to make distinctive in terms of IP, this looks to be as far away from peasant in jerkin with halberd as it's possible to get.

It seems clear that AOS will be a skirmish game from the pictures though. Certainly it can't be a "blocks of troops" game with those numbers.

You say standard, I say teleport homing device

thenoobbomb wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
God you guys are all doom and gloom. Its as if there are ZERO other armies to play... "omg Space marines" Games ruined cuss I clearly have to only play space marines...

It shows the new direction of WHFB.

Correct...

If this is the future, then we will be seeings other armies with this design...


Let's see what they will do with Undead... No zombies and a lot of skeletons all full of armors and fire weapons?

And where is the full command? Musicians? Standards?

Who didn't entered into this game cause of the medieval look? This has a more futuristic look

There is so much nerd rage right now, it's hilarious. All we've had is a few leaked pics and already the doom and gloom crowd are acting as though the sky is falling.

I get that WFB needs (lots of) new plays. I understand 40k is more successful than WFB. But it doesn't follow that to attract more WFB players the design aesthetic of WFB should be changed to match 40k.

40K started as WFB in space (or fantasy tropes in space, at least). Now it seems it's come full circle and WFB will be 40k without guns.

Nah, sky's not falling, just not feeling the release so far. Looks competently executed but not a style I enjoy.

Oh well! More historicals for me.

 WargamingWarrior wrote:
There is so much nerd rage right now, it's hilarious. All we've had is a few leaked pics and already the doom and gloom crowd are acting as though the sky is falling.

Isn't it? If I want blood angels, I'll buy blood angels.

I don't know. If they turn out to be a Grey Knight-esq faction where you don't have to get many models to field an army I may pick it up.

NunoTaborda wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
God you guys are all doom and gloom. Its as if there are ZERO other armies to play... "omg Space marines" Games ruined cuss I clearly have to only play space marines...

It shows the new direction of WHFB.

Correct...

If this is the future, then we will be seeings other armies with this design...


Let's see what they will do with Undead... No zombies and a lot of skeletons all full of armors and fire weapons?

FFS, read the captions below the pictures. Until such time as whatever deity the undead worship takes a corporeal form and descends to the battlefield with its magical guard, then your undead will still be not dead.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Runic wrote:
So let me get this right, some of you saw that two units of one faction, in the entire upcoming game, resemble a unit from 40K and decided the whole game has now been transformed into Space Marines?

I can't say what I think but you probably guessed it already, joking aside.

Round bases, a character that looks like a chaplain in Terminator armour and some 'new' Sanguinary Guard models, and people are saying the game doesn't look like 40k?

If you have information that confirms the the game being compromised of these 2 units, then I guess you could bridge it like that. I guess Hordes is 40K, having round bases and all.

"The rules are all different!" - and so are the rules in this game most likely?

If GW pushes all other armies into power armor then I will eat my words. However I dont think they are going to and I feel this new army is a transition army for other people to get into the game. And ya I agree they look like they are designed to get 40k players interested in Fantasy. However the winged dudes look like Diablo 3 Angels and look pretty sweet.

It only looks like 40k in as much as Space Marines are basically Knights in plate armour, which are what these are. The gold doesn't help making them look like Sanguinary Guard, but that's because they have the sculpted armour too.

NunoTaborda wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
God you guys are all doom and gloom. Its as if there are ZERO other armies to play... "omg Space marines" Games ruined cuss I clearly have to only play space marines...

It shows the new direction of WHFB.

And where is the full command? Musicians? Standards?

Right at the front of that marauder unit...

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
It's like Empire meets Sanguinary Guard!

I sure hope this esthetic is carried over into future sets!

Yup, that is roughly what my first impression was (or alternately custodes in fantasy). They're apparently the rumored fantasy space marines from about a year ago. I'm not really a fan of them though. I preferred my empire figs more firmly rooted in more medieval/renaissance historical designs.

 Da Boss wrote:
Nah, sky's not falling, just not feeling the release so far. Looks competently executed but not a style I enjoy.

Oh well! More historicals for me.

That's fair enough, the style isn't for everyone.

The models are great but essentially gw have went what sells, space marines. Right so lets make space marines for fantasy and hope it sells

Ugh, the model proportions are horrible even by GW's standards.

 -Shrike- wrote:

NunoTaborda wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
God you guys are all doom and gloom. Its as if there are ZERO other armies to play... "omg Space marines" Games ruined cuss I clearly have to only play space marines...

It shows the new direction of WHFB.

Correct...

If this is the future, then we will be seeings other armies with this design...


Let's see what they will do with Undead... No zombies and a lot of skeletons all full of armors and fire weapons?

FFS, read the captions below the pictures. Until such time as whatever deity the undead worship takes a corporeal form and descends to the battlefield with its magical guard, then your undead will still be not dead.

Can't read in the cell phone :S

 Da Boss wrote:
It seems clear that AOS will be a skirmish game from the pictures though. Certainly it can't be a "blocks of troops" game with those numbers.

No idea how the horde armies (skaven, gobbos, undead) are going to work under this new system... Elite armies like high elves and chaos fair enough, you can see it working, but for the big blocks of troops armies they are probably going to need some serious reworking...

The Khorne stuff looks better than the Khorne infantry that came out with Archaon anyway.

I keep reading "don't buy them if you don't like them", which kinda misses the point - specifically, if these are indicative of the future direction for WFB, it's a problem for some WFB fans because a lot of the old charm is missing in favour of some very 40k-looking stuff.

Whether they are indicative or not, only time will tell, but it can't be written off as easily as "don't buy the models if you don't like them". And by the way? No gak. As if people need to be told not to buy things they don't like.

Pepticsalve wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
It seems clear that AOS will be a skirmish game from the pictures though. Certainly it can't be a "blocks of troops" game with those numbers.

No idea how the horde armies (skaven, gobbos, undead) are going to work under this new system... Elite armies like high elves and chaos fair enough, you can see it working, but for the big blocks of troops armies they are probably going to need some serious reworking...

Probably on a similar scale to 40k. 5-10 model units for more elite troops like WoC, Elves, Sigmarines, then 20-30 for the more hordey units. So they can still throw down a lot of bodies compared to the elite armies, but still a smaller count than before.

Which IMO sounds much much better than painting 100-200 clanrats for a skaven army...

So, I should paint my Sigmar models all blue, and call them the Ultrasigmarines?

Hmmmm I am tempted by the starter set now. May have to order a load of square bases for them though.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The Khorne stuff looks better than the Khorne infantry that came out with Archaon anyway.

That infantry may actually dwarf the old Archaon on foot model that I have, lol.



What is that knight riding? Is that guy riding Battle Cat in gold plate? It looks more cat like than the whatever-griffs they came out with last time for the empire that were the stunted flightless gryphons or somesuch.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
God you guys are all doom and gloom. Its as if there are ZERO other armies to play... "omg Space marines" Games ruined cuss I clearly have to only play space marines...

It shows the new direction of WHFB.

Quite frankly im not seeing the Space marines in all of that.

They are guys in heavy armor. the gold might be a tad much but im not seeing genetic super soldiers (Also hate the head which is the only thing that reminds me of BA)

 Paradigm wrote:

Pepticsalve wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
It seems clear that AOS will be a skirmish game from the pictures though. Certainly it can't be a "blocks of troops" game with those numbers.

No idea how the horde armies (skaven, gobbos, undead) are going to work under this new system... Elite armies like high elves and chaos fair enough, you can see it working, but for the big blocks of troops armies they are probably going to need some serious reworking...

Probably on a similar scale to 40k. 5-10 model units for more elite troops like WoC, Elves, Sigmarines, then 20-30 for the more hordey units. So they can still throw down a lot of bodies compared to the elite armies, but still a smaller count than before.

Love how they are already referred to as 'Sigmarines'

Personally I find those models utterly stunning, although my partner immediately bagsied the Sigmar faction :(. Looking forward to the 4th .

 ImAGeek wrote:
Which IMO sounds much much better than painting 100-200 clanrats for a skaven army...

What about those that already have 300 skeletons painted? Or 400 zombies? :/

The models look very cool, but they don't look much like the part of WHFB that I like. That part is the gritty, dirty, downtrodden side, fantasy horror combined with traditional fantasy concepts. These models are going more towards the Warmahordes design sensibilities, and I completely loathe Warmahordes designs. Mind you, these don't look as inane as the gigantic shoulderpad-on-shoulderpad look of that game, but it's way too close for comfort. Still, I might very well change my mind. On the positive side, there looks to be a LOT of content in the starter set, and I'm very excited about the potential of Warhammer as a skirmish game.

I will wait for close-ups of the models before commenting further, condemning them based on these blurry pics would be stupid.

 Desubot wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
God you guys are all doom and gloom. Its as if there are ZERO other armies to play... "omg Space marines" Games ruined cuss I clearly have to only play space marines...

It shows the new direction of WHFB.

Quite frankly im not seeing the Space marines in all of that.

They are guys in heavy armor. the gold might be a tad much but im not seeing genetic super soldiers (Also hate the head which is the only thing that reminds me of BA)

I'm with you. They look like Knights. Space Marines vaguely look like Knights.

As for the general mount, it almost looks like something you'd see in lizardmen.

Good god. This will make or break fantasy.

NunoTaborda wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Which IMO sounds much much better than painting 100-200 clanrats for a skaven army...

What about those that already have 300 skeletons painted? Or 400 zombies? :/

Then wait for the inevitable "Fantapocalypse" so you can play massive horde armies again. Actually, that could work quite well, thinking about it.

I don't think they look like knights. They look like someone's interpretation of what a knight might look like, if they'd never really seen a real one but had seen lots of ornamental armour for noblemen in the Renaissance period which was utterly impractical for fighting in and pretty much only used to impress people with how pretty it is.


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Btw if you have a bajillion models painted up in blocks, well, Kings of War is right there and the rules are free to download. I recommend giving it a shot.

 Bull0 wrote:
I keep reading "don't buy them if you don't like them", which kinda misses the point - specifically, if these are indicative of the future direction for WFB, it's a problem for some WFB fans because a lot of the old charm is missing in favour of some very 40k-looking stuff.

Whether they are indicative or not, only time will tell, but it can't be written off as easily as "don't buy the models if you don't like them". And by the way? No gak. As if people need to be told not to buy things they don't like.

From a non FB player who was looking at AoS as a possible jumping off point, so less invested, standpoint, I'm seeing some cracking chaos models who don't deviate notably from the established aesthetic, except to possibly improve of some of the stuff that's gone before, and a new faction, with a new aesthetic. Now, this aesthetic is obviously divisive, but to worry about the whole game based on this army is no different than if people had lost their gak when Lizardmen dropped because they looked nothing like High Elves.

The established fluff is already in the toilet, and will probably be focused on the new guys going forward, but if the rules are bent towards the Sigmorons then that's something to worry about. Otherwise they're just a new faction that some people may care for, while others may not.

Just prior to the whole End Times thing, I almost started a Tomb Kings army - my first delve into Fantasy

Whispers on the internet and amongst the club members said 'hold off, End Times will happen and things might change'


And so the End Times happened. I started to consider Tomb Kings again and then more whispers of 'Something big is going to happen soon! Hold off and see'



Well, this 40K-meets-Diablo III isn't doing it for me as a fantasy setting.

Sure the Sigmar / Diablo III angels force looks pretty, and sure the Diablo III Chaos Dark-Vengeance set look suitably corrupt... having two squads of cultists, a helbrute and a chaos lord. But it isn't the 'fantasy historical' theme that was catching my interest.


Perhaps I'll hold off for longer.

Previously, when I looked at 40k a model without knowing what it was, I would at least know it as a 40k model. When I looked at a Fantasy model, I could also tell it was a Fantasy model. There is a visual style that separated the two games and it was really cool.

If I had never heard of Age of Sigmar and someone showed me these guys, I'd think they were new Blood Angels or maybe even some weird take on Custodes. That makes me kinda sad.

oh well.. WFB started off as a complete fluff rip-off of Middle Earth anyway. Might as well just rip-off 40k now.

I need so many of those angel wings tho

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Btw if you have a bajillion models painted up in blocks, well, Kings of War is right there and the rules are free to download. I recommend giving it a shot.

It's not played here in Portugal... :(

Wulfmar wrote:Just prior to the whole End Times thing, I almost started a Tomb Kings army - my first delve into Fantasy

Whispers on the internet and amongst the club members said 'hold off, End Times will happen and things might change'


And so the End Times happened. I started to consider Tomb Kings again and then more whispers of 'Something big is going to happen soon! Hold off and see'



Well, this 40K-meets-Diablo III isn't doing it for me as a fantasy setting.

Sure the Sigmar / Diablo III angels force looks pretty, and sure the Diablo III Chaos Dark-Vengeance set look suitably corrupt... having two squads of cultists, a helbrute and a chaos lord. But it isn't the 'fantasy historical' theme that was catching my interest.


Perhaps I'll hold off for longer.

Wait till the new undead units show up...

I like it. Will have to see what rules are but nice models. The chaos side i see a unit of wracks for my dark eldar and possesed for my csm plus cultists. The sigma side are beutiful. My son wants the flying dudes to be swooping hawks and the armoured ones dont know what they will be used for yet. On the fantasy side id like to know about dwarfs and ogres as there my armyies. Hence the rules will decide if i continue with fantasy. Eith way im getting a set or two just for those lovely minis.

Regardless of where you stand on liking, or not liking these new models, Fantasy has always been a steampunk meets renaissance look, and quite frankly, this look is miles away.

I can't believe that 30 years of design is going straight out the window.


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 DO IT TO IT wrote:
Previously, when I looked at 40k a model without knowing what it was, I would at least know it as a 40k model. When I looked at a Fantasy model, I could also tell it was a Fantasy model. There is a visual style that separated the two games and it was really cool.

If I had never heard of Age of Sigmar and someone showed me these guys, I'd think they were new Blood Angels or maybe even some weird take on Custodes. That makes me kinda sad.

Thief! I said that 3 pages ago

I wish someone would just put a picture of a space marine beside a sigmarine (or sigmanary guard perhaps) for comparison.
These new sigmarites dont fit the space marine aestethics one bit more than it fit old fantasy.
If anything, I think AoS look more like warmachine than 40k.
Just look at the wings, they are right out stolen from Warmachine and dont look anything like jump packs.

(ok, I admit they are somewhat similar to sanguinary guard, because of the helmets, but who in the world actually buys Sanguinary Guard? Sounds crazy to imitate that look for all the tricky cospirasies people see here.)

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I keep reading "don't buy them if you don't like them", which kinda misses the point - specifically, if these are indicative of the future direction for WFB, it's a problem for some WFB fans because a lot of the old charm is missing in favour of some very 40k-looking stuff.

Whether they are indicative or not, only time will tell, but it can't be written off as easily as "don't buy the models if you don't like them". And by the way? No gak. As if people need to be told not to buy things they don't like.

From a non FB player who was looking at AoS as a possible jumping off point, so less invested, standpoint, I'm seeing some cracking chaos models who don't deviate notably from the established aesthetic, except to possibly improve of some of the stuff that's gone before, and a new faction, with a new aesthetic. Now, this aesthetic is obviously divisive, but to worry about the whole game based on this army is no different than if people had lost their gak when Lizardmen dropped because they looked nothing like High Elves.

The established fluff is already in the toilet, and will probably be focused on the new guys going forward, but if the rules are bent towards the Sigmorons then that's something to worry about. Otherwise they're just a new faction that some people may care for, while others may not.

I think it is a bit different - these are a human faction for starters, whereas lizards aren't elves, so it's a lot more reasonable to extrapolate from this that any future human/imperial stuff for WFB will look more like this and less like the Empire we know and love. Plus the context being totally different - they've *destroyed* the old world.

It's true that it's too soon to call it though - which is what I said.

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I don't think they look like knights. They look like someone's interpretation of what a knight might look like,

Like they are someone's umm... what's the word... fantasy interpretation of a knight?

Having seen those pictures, my mind has been made up. Must buy this set! Awesome looking new models, and if the game isn't that great, well, I've got my 8th stuff still, and I'll have a bunch of new stuff on top of it. Also, they do look damn nice on those round bases. At least now I know how to finish up my WoC force that I've been working on. Luckily, I have about 50 32mms sitting around, waiting to get used.

First thing I thought of was they look like Darksiders style angels.

But yeah, not feeling it. If I wanted to play a skirmish game with loose models I'd play one of the plethora of other skirmish games with loose models on the market.

Maybe GW can pull something out of the bag and create an awesome game, but given GW in recent years I'm not counting on anything more than an unbalanced and poorly written system aimed at flogging more overpriced models rather than actually being a good game. GW haven't written a good game in many years.

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 Da Boss wrote:
I don't think they look like knights. They look like someone's interpretation of what a knight might look like,

Like they are someone's umm... what's the word... fantasy interpretation of a knight?

I was sure someone was going to make that point, and I'm rolling my eyes here. If that floats your boat, fine I guess. I think they look stupid and I won't be using them, as I prefer a more realistic looking troop in my fantasy gaming.

It's a bit of a shame. A little bit of a toning down and I think both sides would have been pleased, but with the sculpted on face-helmets and musculature and all that, these just do not do it for me at all.

I'm more willing to accept it on the Angels, as they are more obviously supposed to be fantastical and supernatural. But I like my humans to be humans, not supermen. Same problem I eventually hit with 40K and space marine saturation. Now it's come to Fantasy. Ah well. Hadn't played a game for 5 years anyhow.

Well I think we now know where the 30K box set rumors came from

So they just lost all pretense of subtly and stuck Space Marines in Fantasy. Of course, people will lap this up. No prizes for guessing what the most played faction will be.

I need to see the rules before I make any calls, but I have a very bad feeling in my gut about this. And this is doubly troubling for me because normally I am very laid back and patient about such things.

Now the models are pretty awesome, don't get me wrong, but my bad feeling comes from what might be coming in the rules. It feels like a massive wave of invalidation is coming.

I really really hope I am proved wrong.

What a bunch of high falootin fancy pants world of Warcraft bs. Grim dark is dead in fantasy.

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 pretre wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
I don't think they look like knights. They look like someone's interpretation of what a knight might look like,

Like they are someone's umm... what's the word... fantasy interpretation of a knight?

I was sure someone was going to make that point, and I'm rolling my eyes here. If that floats your boat, fine I guess. I think they look stupid and I won't be using them, as I prefer a more realistic looking troop in my fantasy gaming.

It's a bit of a shame. A little bit of a toning down and I think both sides would have been pleased, but with the sculpted on face-helmets and musculature and all that, these just do not do it for me at all.

I'm more willing to accept it on the Angels, as they are more obviously supposed to be fantastical and supernatural. But I like my humans to be humans, not supermen. Same problem I eventually hit with 40K and space marine saturation. Now it's come to Fantasy. Ah well. Hadn't played a game for 5 years anyhow.

Arent the chaos side of things supposed to also be fantastical and supernatural. considered to basically be the daemon counter part?

I agree with the face mask thing. that gak turns me off so hard but its a non issue since it should be easy to replace.