Just out of question, whilst I understand the unclear announcement on material change or lack thereof, I'm wondering when metal became such and antethema to wargamers? I mean, single pose characters are what metal is good at, right? (granted the Chovar is not one, but my question stands).
Riquende wrote: I just don't think they'd be able to say during the Kickstarter which material is most likely.
They didn't even say that they were thinking of it - that's all they need to do, during the kickstarter and not buried in the comments. "We'll make the following minis in plastic, unless there's low demand in which case they'll be cast in high quality metal" is fine. I won't buy them if they do say that (until they've confirmed if they'll be plastic - I really don't like metal) but I have no problem with minis being metal if that's how they choose to make them.
The metal casts I have from them are so-so quality. The Enforcer Captain in Peacekeeper armor that I got with the Enforcer bundle has some major issues that I had to do quite a bit of work to fix. And from looking at pictures around the net, it is not just my copy.
Plus, there is this:
scarletsquig wrote:^ The flipside of that debate is that there was a $15k stretch goal during the DZ campaign to fund the sculpting and tooling of... a single metal dwarf, that wasn't a freebie.
That being the primary reason that I am annoyed at metal Mercs in Deadzone, and really annoyed by the volume of metal figures I got in my second Dreadball shipment.
Barzam wrote: Yeah, they never said the Helfather was going to be metal. If they had, I probably wouldn't have bought him. So now there's the possibility that any of the other paid add-ons could be metal as well.
Get onto them ASAP so they can remove it from your order imo. Much better to refund it now than when you have to pay return shipping. Hopefully it'll help send a statement to stop pulling these shenanigans.
sukura636 wrote: Just out of question, whilst I understand the unclear announcement on material change or lack thereof, I'm wondering when metal became such and antethema to wargamers? I mean, single pose characters are what metal is good at, right? (granted the Chovar is not one, but my question stands).
I've never liked metal minis, they turned me off tabletop gaming for a long time. Once plastic became high quality and widespread I decided to get into it since I really like working with plastic, and to a lesser extent resin. The weight is annoying for storage and transport, it's bad for large/tall minis (mates zoanthropes... my god...), imo they're more easily damaged (than plastic at least, not so much resin), and they're much harder to convert and modify than multi part plastic. Specifically for characters, the resin comparison is more apt though, but the same ease of conversion and lack of weight applies. Also there's the poor metal moulds Mantic seems to use sometimes.
sukura636 wrote: Just out of question, whilst I understand the unclear announcement on material change or lack thereof, I'm wondering when metal became such and antethema to wargamers? I mean, single pose characters are what metal is good at, right? (granted the Chovar is not one, but my question stands).
Doesn't bother me at all with the helfather, but that Chovar is going to be an absolute pita to put together and keep together. I was thinking of adding one in the second survey, but will scratch that idea now I know its going to be metal.
Top heavy model + 8 individually cast large heavy tentacle pieces with small ball and socket attachment points = no fun. Anyone who has ever tried to assemble a metal GW tomb scorpion* or similar knows the pain of having to glue in lots of little individual appendages on a large metal model. What will be needed is 8 pins, one for each tentacle, and epoxy resin. A good 45 minutes or so of assembly time, minimum. Superglue alone might hold it temporarily, but it *will* break later.
I don't mind metal (especially for 1-piece models, it's totally fine), but on the other hand I do feel like the decision to make something either restic or metal should have a bit more thought put into it than "accountant says yes/no" especially when fans of the company have put down $15k cash to fund the production of a single miniature.
I recently backed a Kickstarter that produced around 30 different metal minis for $15k of funding.
Deciding to make minis metal based on the results of a single KS survey doesn't sound so great, either. Who knows what the retail sales will be? Who knows what the second survey sales will be? Who knows how many lost sales you will end up with simply because the product is metal (higher retail price, more difficult to assemble) than restic?
Dreadball already made that mistake when loads of people ordered season 3 boosters in the final survey and mantic couldn't cast enough metals to keep up, and then had to deal with people not actually wanting metal after it had already shipped. So it turns out they would have been better off doing restic for those anyway.
Why risk repeating the same mistake with deadzone?
*And yes, I have assembled two of those, damn things would just fall apart in the middle of a battle without me even touching them!
Can Mantic PLEASE hire someone with at least some basic fundamental project management, quality assurance and customer service experience to sort stuff like this out BEFORE and not AFTER people have paid for stuff?
It really isn't that difficult to do, and it really should happen more than once.
I'm guessing those that got confirmation paid for courier shipping as they were supposed to go out first?
I opted not to go for courier as it's to difficult to time the delivery at least with regular post if I miss it it goes to the local sorting office which is 10 minutes away and I can collect it on my way home.
sukura636 wrote: Just out of question, whilst I understand the unclear announcement on material change or lack thereof, I'm wondering when metal became such and antethema to wargamers? I mean, single pose characters are what metal is good at, right? (granted the Chovar is not one, but my question stands).
It's a fair question. Metal is what I used to work with two decades ago, so when Mantic said early on that they might have to make the Warpath Enforcer captain in plastic if people ordered a lot of them, I went out and ordered a metal version.
When I got it, I discovered the exact same casting quality issues Taarnak detailed above. Then I got a box of plastic Veer-myn and found the casting and detail far superior. That's changed my mind quite a bit, so at this point I'm not buying Mantic metal figures until it's widely reported that the quality of their casting in metal has greatly improved. I'm generally pro-Mantic and still consider myself a fan, so I'm quite open to being convinced. If there are a lot of posts on Dakka that the metal Helfather is great, of course I'm going to buy one.
Can Mantic PLEASE hire someone with at least some basic fundamental project management, quality assurance and customer service experience to sort stuff like this out BEFORE and not AFTER people have paid for stuff?
It really isn't that difficult to do, and it really should happen more than once.
Dakka just messed me up, we'll try again. I'm gonna be sarcy.
If Mantic didn't have multiple people who possessed the skills that you listed, then we would be looking at an utter train wreck of a KS which is never delivered, updated or even attempted. That they are able to shift 35 tonnes of new models out to backers in one month is an achievement by any standard. You're over-exaggerating - this is a 90% success rate, not 0%.
Had shipping notification for mine as well - I didn't pay for courier shipping, but must have gotten it automatically as I pledged for double strike-team.
My thinking was that I wanted an extra mat ($20), an extra pair of battlezones and accessories ($50), a couple of extra starters ($70)...and that was the extra $140 right there, also netting me the compendium with a few add-ons.
The downside? Shipping notice lists the package as being 9.5KG. They weren't kidding about the big boxes...
Can Mantic PLEASE hire someone with at least some basic fundamental project management, quality assurance and customer service experience to sort stuff like this out BEFORE and not AFTER people have paid for stuff?
It really isn't that difficult to do, and it really should happen more than once.
Dakka just messed me up, we'll try again. I'm gonna be sarcy.
If Mantic didn't have multiple people who possessed the skills that you listed, then we would be looking at an utter train wreck of a KS which is never delivered, updated or even attempted. That they are able to shift 35 tonnes of new models out to backers in one month is an achievement by any standard. You're over-exaggerating - this is a 90% success rate, not 0%.
That's cute.
Mantic still needs to get a LOT better at all the things I listed.
And this many Kickstarters in? The same 'missteps' shouldn't be happening.
Can Mantic PLEASE hire someone with at least some basic fundamental project management, quality assurance and customer service experience to sort stuff like this out BEFORE and not AFTER people have paid for stuff?
It really isn't that difficult to do, and it really should happen more than once.
Dakka just messed me up, we'll try again. I'm gonna be sarcy.
If Mantic didn't have multiple people who possessed the skills that you listed, then we would be looking at an utter train wreck of a KS which is never delivered, updated or even attempted. That they are able to shift 35 tonnes of new models out to backers in one month is an achievement by any standard. You're over-exaggerating - this is a 90% success rate, not 0%.
That's cute.
Mantic still needs to get a LOT better at all the things I listed.
And this many Kickstarters in? The same 'missteps' shouldn't be happening.
I'd argue it's higher than 90%. Two metal models out of how many hundreds produced? And then giving backers a whole pile of free Enforcers? That's pretty darn near 100% in my book.
Wait, it's still November and they're shipping? I thought the KS was set for December... in Kickstarter-land, doesn't "December 2013" actually mean "August 2014"?
As long as I get my goods before New Years, I'm cool. I'll just stick with my Helfather since I do like his design and I've alrady paid for him. I'm just bummed that he's metal.
It doesn't make all that much sense to do metal figures here either since this was supposed to be a boardgame.
Can Mantic PLEASE hire someone with at least some basic fundamental project management, quality assurance and customer service experience to sort stuff like this out BEFORE and not AFTER people have paid for stuff?
It really isn't that difficult to do, and it really should happen more than once.
Dakka just messed me up, we'll try again. I'm gonna be sarcy.
If Mantic didn't have multiple people who possessed the skills that you listed, then we would be looking at an utter train wreck of a KS which is never delivered, updated or even attempted. That they are able to shift 35 tonnes of new models out to backers in one month is an achievement by any standard. You're over-exaggerating - this is a 90% success rate, not 0%.
That's cute.
Mantic still needs to get a LOT better at all the things I listed.
And this many Kickstarters in? The same 'missteps' shouldn't be happening.
I take it you have not backed any CMON stuff then. This is so much better than their attempts yet everyone spouts them as a success story.
The funny thing is that letting folks folks grab "everything" during the second survey screwed up demand. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy that stand-alone single add-on only models with no bundle deal aren't gonna sell well until people see them. I wonder if anyone at Mantic even has an MBA (not that it ensures you know what you are doing, just means you are good in the classroom and found/had money for school). But some of their business choices boggle the mind as to what their long-term business plan is.
As said though, if you are asking for $10k to unlock the Chovar, that should have paid for the tooling right there. The reason why KS projects start to have goal spread further and further apart is to equate for all the material costs, shipping costs, and labor costs attiributed to the amount of items they are having to move at that point. Seeing that mantics goals tend to do the opposite, they have shown they "play the kickstarter game" versus having "straight-forward" goals.
Gah still wishing I was in this 'first wave' of shipping Currently ogling Miniature Market's black friday deals, some crazy cheap mantic stuff in there. The 5-pack of enforcers we're getting to hold us over are something like $8 over at MM, half tempted to nab a few even though I already have too many enforcers coming. Given my luck with lines and queues though, they may be the first enforcers I see by a long shot =/
GrimDork wrote: Gah still wishing I was in this 'first wave' of shipping Currently ogling Miniature Market's black friday deals, some crazy cheap mantic stuff in there. The 5-pack of enforcers we're getting to hold us over are something like $8 over at MM, half tempted to nab a few even though I already have too many enforcers coming. Given my luck with lines and queues though, they may be the first enforcers I see by a long shot =/
I saw that sale too, by the time I got to my computer all the good matinc stuff (army bundles etc.) had sold out. I went ahead and picked up the enforcer set you're talking about and the captain to expand my Deadzone enforcers.
I also have not gotten any shipping notification on mine. Maybe UK backers are getting theirs first seeing as how Mantic is based there. Oh well, we'll get out soon enough I suppose.
Yeah, I'm just impatient and super jealous of them since I'm not used to waiting this long to get minis and I'm soooo excited about Deadzone in general
I should have held my tongue Squall, the 10-pack was like 11.25-50 or something, even better deal. I'm considering picking up a drakkarim and storm rage veteran squad to break down and disseminate them throughout my bargain basement steel warrior squads.
I need to stop looking now. Already spent far far too much on models this year!
I'm a little bummed they are prioritzing British packages first. They would get their stuff the fastest anyway. There is almost a certainty that the America's and EU are gonna see some post Christmas deliveries.
Is there any actual confirmation that they are shipping to Britain first? Or is it just that there are more people who post here from Britain who happen to have gotten their orders shipped? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just genuinely wonder. If that is the case I'm definitely glad I just ordered a suppression team half price from miniature market's black friday sales lol. My bad luck with lines and waiting will probably have me getting crap on the late side, I was the 13th juror recently (which means I had to watch everything but didn't even get to 'vote' at the end =/ ). Of course I did do courier shipping so that may help, *fingers crossed*.
They are prioritising those who paid extra for courier postage as far as I can tell regular packs won't be sent by UPS but by local mail via Royal Mail.
Earth Dragon wrote: I'm a little bummed they are prioritzing British packages first. They would get their stuff the fastest anyway. There is almost a certainty that the America's and EU are gonna see some post Christmas deliveries.
Isn't it that they are prioritizing the people who paid extra to get their stuff first?
Earth Dragon wrote: I'm a little bummed they are prioritzing British packages first. They would get their stuff the fastest anyway. There is almost a certainty that the America's and EU are gonna see some post Christmas deliveries.
I'm located in VA and most of the stuff I have ordered from Mantic take 7-9 days. If they are in the process of shipping this stuff, I can't imagine it taking till Christmas, even if it has to go to the left coast. That being said, they promised delivery on Dec. 2013, so they are well within their time frame. And in KS terms they're pretty much 6 months early.
I'm just making an observation that all those saying "I have got my UPS info" are from Britain. I paid for Courier as well. I'm just not seeing anyone from the states or Europe saying they got an e-mail.
They had to start somewhere within the courier shipping, and they chose the closer guys first. As I said, just an observation. Overall I'm glad they are starting to ship in November.
Normally I wouldn't care, I'm leaving mid-December for an assignment. Fingers crossed.
@SS WHAT!? Where was that written down? If that's the case then I paid $15 I didn't need to, cause if I'm getting both resin masters, surely I was over that amount =/
@DaveC ahh now that sounds more like what I remember, and would imply that I did not in fact overpay.
scarletsquig wrote: Don't forget courier shipping was free over a certain amount.
That doesn't quite sound right. I think "regular" shipping was eleviated at some point for EU and Canada, but Courier was always an add-on from what I recall.
As you can see Suppression team+ has tracked courier included, and later they ditched the whole "pay extra if FF/Asterians" thing and then changed it to $20 of add-ons to qualify.
Earth Dragon wrote: I'm a little bummed they are prioritzing British packages first. They would get their stuff the fastest anyway. There is almost a certainty that the America's and EU are gonna see some post Christmas deliveries.
As I recall, with Dreadball the US/RoW packages were shipped first to try and get everyone's stuff arriving at the same time (after that it was EU, then UK). As you can imagine, this didn't really sit well with a lot of UK backers. Maybe there's some redress going on, I don't know.
Earth Dragon wrote: I'm a little bummed they are prioritzing British packages first. They would get their stuff the fastest anyway. There is almost a certainty that the America's and EU are gonna see some post Christmas deliveries.
As I recall, with Dreadball the US/RoW packages were shipped first to try and get everyone's stuff arriving at the same time (after that it was EU, then UK). As you can imagine, this didn't really sit well with a lot of UK backers. Maybe there's some redress going on, I don't know.
Yeah, with Dreadball I wasn't to pleased that loads of backers across the water got there order well before me when I live just down the Motorway!
- Space - the quicker they can get stuff out, the more they can get in. The DZ KS is larger than any they've done before and it will be a feat of coordination to fit it all in - hence the new warehouse.
- UK backers may be sent with a different company than US (this is a complete guess) who will have different protocols with alerts.
Okay, according to facebook *everyone* is getting courier shipping after Royal Mail started whining and moaning about something or other and refused to ship it at the last minute.
Maybe Mantic told them that some of the packages would have more than 4 pots of paint but they weren't sure which ones.
Royal Mail? More like Royal FEMail with all this bitching, AMIRITE FELLAS?!?! /jk
Damn needing to sleep, missed a lot of excitement. Glad the shipping is progressing nicely. I'm still dirty about the metal minis situation, but other than that, really happy about the KS.
edit: On the Royal Mail 4 paint thing, just got a change.org update form the petition (sign it please!) the reason given was "risk of damage to other packages". However, they'll happily ship 1 litre of whiskey in a glass bottle still... so not very well thought through and should be open to change with enough attention brought to it.
Hrmm I wonder if they're bumping everyone to courier if those of us who paid for it on purpose are just gonna be out the equivalent $15 or not. I'm still getting a stupid deal and all that, just curious.
scarletsquig wrote: In all fairness, Mantic did say straight up during the KS, in the update with the chovar in it that the chovar might not be restic:
Mantic Games on May 14, 2013
@Adam Fair - at this stage, there is no guarantee that the model will be resin plastic like the factions are. That decision depends on how many we sell during the Kickstarter. Also, this model is 40mm tall - I think you'll agree that $10 is pretty good value for something that big :-)
They also said that it'll have individual ball and socket joins for each tentacle, so that one's going to be a bastard to assemble.
Chovar is the tentacle thing? In Metal? gak. I'm actually quite happy to get metal for one-piece models, but a multipart figure like that thing really needs to be in restic or plastic in 2013. It's almost as bad a choice for metal as those named Basiliean Angels were.
If the UK guys really wanted their stuff first though, couldn't they pop in for Open Day? Seems like they have options those of us living on on an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean don't
Not fretting over Chovar assembly. Some of the metal Warjacks for Warmachine have been HELL to assemble, requiring, I mean REQUIRING a bunch of pinning, etc, and even then it taking a small miracle. If I got "Spriggan" to hold, anything else is gravy. :-p
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and MiniatureMarket just saved my a fortune. The prices were so obscene that I thought i'd pick up a few armies for Kings of War and Warpath, but almost everything of note sold right out.
Meanwhile, i'm BARELY able to stop myself from picking up Warpath models, but I need to remember that Deadzone is my WP primer, and next year the biggest Kickstarter ever is going to take place. :-p
Earth Dragon wrote: If the UK guys really wanted their stuff first though, couldn't they pop in for Open Day? Seems like they have options those of us living on on an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean don't
The UK is still a somewhat large place, and who wants to go outside in that horrible weather they always have ; p
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If anyone is unhappy about the metal situation, please chime in in the KS comments. A few people have, but many more are just saying "yay metal, thanks Mantic!". imo Mantic need to know that yeah, metal is fine - just be upfront about it.
Still... excited ; ) Pretty sure that my 3x strike team++ will be couriered due to weight, but damn all you plebes getting courier treatment too ; p /jk
So, do we need to worry about any other material surprises when we get our boxes? I had thought that Mantic had said they were going to notify backers of material changes and give us the option for an exchange/refund. Or was that just the enforcers?
They said that specifically in relation to hard plastics. They still seem to think springing metal on us is fine - please post in the latest KS update comments if you disagree. Here is my first comments to them and there reply:
Yonan wrote:Thanks for the update, it's all looking great - except for the metal minis. Thankfully they're the only two I didn't order (was going to in wave 2), if I had I'd be really irritated. If Mantic wants to have variable casting methods, ie. metal if there is low demand, it should be said clearly imo. The only reference to materials on the KS page is "the miniatures will be supplied in coloured plastic". A comment in a random update that they might be metal isn't enough imo. I'd hoped Mantic had learned from the Dreadball situation that springing metal on people was a bad idea. At least this is before shipping so people should (hopefully) be able to get their orders fixed if they want. Other than that (which doesn't effect me in this case), awesome stuff!
Mantic wrote:@Yonan - We never said what material the mercs would be as we weren't sure what volumes people would order - doing things in plastic in small quantities is very pricey, so metal is our go-to for small runs of miniatures. Until very recently, Mantic mainly produced metal miniatures - the sprueless plastic we now use is a relatively recent development. (Glad you're happy other than that though!)
Yonan wrote:@Mantic You *did* say what they would be - from the KSFAQ "the miniatures will be supplied in coloured plastic". If that didn't apply to some minis, it should have said so. What you've done in the past is irrelevant to what you're doing in the KS people are giving you money for. To give us something that isn't what you stated it would be isn't acceptable. If it might be metal that's fine - just say it up front.
While I understand where everyone is coming from re: unannounced substitution of metal models, I rather like Mantic's metals. The details are generally crisper than their restic models', and whatever alloy they use is almost as soft as lead minis, so cleaning, drilling and converting are much easier as well.
Top heavy model + 8 individually cast large heavy tentacle pieces with small ball and socket attachment points = no fun. Anyone who has ever tried to assemble a metal GW tomb scorpion* or similar knows the pain of having to glue in lots of little individual appendages on a large metal model. What will be needed is 8 pins, one for each tentacle, and epoxy resin. A good 45 minutes or so of assembly time, minimum. Superglue alone might hold it temporarily, but it *will* break later.
I don't mind metal (especially for 1-piece models, it's totally fine), but on the other hand I do feel like the decision to make something either restic or metal should have a bit more thought put into it than "accountant says yes/no" especially when fans of the company have put down $15k cash to fund the production of a single miniature.
I recently backed a Kickstarter that produced around 30 different metal minis for $15k of funding.
Deciding to make minis metal based on the results of a single KS survey doesn't sound so great, either. Who knows what the retail sales will be? Who knows what the second survey sales will be? Who knows how many lost sales you will end up with simply because the product is metal (higher retail price, more difficult to assemble) than restic?
Dreadball already made that mistake when loads of people ordered season 3 boosters in the final survey and mantic couldn't cast enough metals to keep up, and then had to deal with people not actually wanting metal after it had already shipped. So it turns out they would have been better off doing restic for those anyway.
Why risk repeating the same mistake with deadzone?
Hear, hear. Well said, sir.
I (someone who is fine with a lot of metal) will be going from "probably two, maybe three" to won't be ordering tentacle-thing.
Craaaaaaaaaaaaaap, this is starting to ship and I have only assembled and based, like, seven Warzone minis.
I haven't even found a place to store Ogre permanently. I'm not ready Mantic*, I'm not ready!!!
* - But don't let this stop you from sending the package, allowing me to swim through all my stuff Scrooge McDuck style
That said, mildly disappointed about the metal stuff. I mean, I played 40k back when Land Speeders were metal kits, and I bought those willingly. In terms of disappointment, this is really kind of small, but it is there. Though it is weird that things funded by pre-determined stretch goals got hit with the economics stick. But without knowing the particulars I can't really make too much of a stink. As I said, just kind of disappointing.
Still don't regret getting the Chovar or Helfather though. So long as they were made to be metal kits from the ground up, my life will go on.
Ronin_eX wrote: Still don't regret getting the Chovar or Helfather though. So long as they were made to be metal kits from the ground up, my life will go on.
Yeha would like to see pics once they hit the wild. I *might* relent on my anti-metal stance but I doubt it. Will screw my nerd OCD too much having 2 metal minis with the rest restic/plastic ; p
I kind of doubt mercs are going to see a *lot* of use anyway. Other than the heist scenario. You lose 3 reputation just for bringing one along, which is like 3 minor kills, or a primary objective or what have you. And I'm not 100% on how you actually unlock them in campaign play in the first place, maybe as a clearance? For once-off games they'll probably be an interesting addition though, possibly to the point that they get soft-banned like 40k named characters used to be
True that Grim. I can see the -3 rep being house ruled away if it negates a substantial portion of the game. That and/or they get assigned in campaigns based on how it progresses. Could be a way to boost underdogs, a reward for great performance in missions, a mission objective and so on.
Well, switching those to metal might actually be funding all this courier shipping.
(This is like a half eye roll, half tongue, with a sprinkle of seriousness)
I'm BLOWN away what they must be paying for Fedex to the US and Canadia if that turns out to be true. As always, I'm impressed yet flabergasted at Mantic's business decisions.
Earth Dragon wrote: As always, I'm impressed yet flabergasted at Mantic's business decisions.
Haha, that's awesome and very much how I feel. I love them and a lot of what they do - this courier shipping being the latest example. But some of what they do is very /facepalm
(As a side note: I know people are saying "Why are you making the same mistake as Dreadball" but let's think about it for even a minute......that decision was made WAY before the dreadball backlash. Those Deadzone surveys were in before the Season 3 surveys were even in. It was too late to use that experience to improve)
Top heavy model + 8 individually cast large heavy tentacle pieces with small ball and socket attachment points = no fun. Anyone who has ever tried to assemble a metal GW tomb scorpion* or similar knows the pain of having to glue in lots of little individual appendages on a large metal model. What will be needed is 8 pins, one for each tentacle, and epoxy resin. A good 45 minutes or so of assembly time, minimum. Superglue alone might hold it temporarily, but it *will* break later.
I don't mind metal (especially for 1-piece models, it's totally fine), but on the other hand I do feel like the decision to make something either restic or metal should have a bit more thought put into it than "accountant says yes/no" especially when fans of the company have put down $15k cash to fund the production of a single miniature.
I recently backed a Kickstarter that produced around 30 different metal minis for $15k of funding.
Deciding to make minis metal based on the results of a single KS survey doesn't sound so great, either. Who knows what the retail sales will be? Who knows what the second survey sales will be? Who knows how many lost sales you will end up with simply because the product is metal (higher retail price, more difficult to assemble) than restic?
Dreadball already made that mistake when loads of people ordered season 3 boosters in the final survey and mantic couldn't cast enough metals to keep up, and then had to deal with people not actually wanting metal after it had already shipped. So it turns out they would have been better off doing restic for those anyway.
Why risk repeating the same mistake with deadzone?
Hear, hear. Well said, sir.
I (someone who is fine with a lot of metal) will be going from "probably two, maybe three" to won't be ordering tentacle-thing.
So it's YOUR fault they are metal since you held off on ordering them.
I really don't mind if mine is a late shipper tbh I don't think I will end up touching Deadzone until at least a few months into the new year. A combination of other projects I want to work on and lack of time where I can actually work on stuff will mean I would probably look through to see if everythings there, admire the models and flick through the rules before storing it in a cupboard for a few months.
Earth Dragon wrote: (As a side note: I know people are saying "Why are you making the same mistake as Dreadball" but let's think about it for even a minute......that decision was made WAY before the dreadball backlash. Those Deadzone surveys were in before the Season 3 surveys were even in. It was too late to use that experience to improve)
I was just about to say that!
They were probably sculpted, molds made, and being cast when the Dreadball stuff shipped.
I didn't order either of those models, so doesn't really affect me, but I can imagine from all the disgruntledness sent Mantic's way they won't be doing THAT again.
Other than that, I'm pretty happy with what looks to be an excellent haul of great figs, and then more free Enforcers next year!
Hopefully my miniature market order comes in quick so I can rush out some enforcer schemes and have that sorted before my goodies from mantic arrive. I also need to get my hobby desk sorted out before it gets assaulted by what I'm assuming will be 10-20 pounds of models!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, on mercs... I'm not sure yet what role they will play in campaigns and casual games, but I'm quite glad they exist.
I've already got funny ideas in my head along the lines of making merc/vet teams of just 3-4 characters and running them through the nexus psi and solo campaigns.
Some quick pics of the Fortifications and Landing Pad sprues would be awesome, if anyone has got their package already.. those are the only things we haven't seen.
Hmm, mine still says "A UPS shipping label has been created. Once the shipment arrives at our facility, the tracking status--including the scheduled delivery date--will be updated"
I think the estimated delivery date of today may be wishful thinking
Some have already received their packages in the uk according to fb. Not here in Aus though.... Possibly a week or two I guess... Boo. Still, getting closer!
Yeah if America and Australia get their stuff post Christmas just so UK can get theirs in November, I'm done with Mantic.
I holding onto the smallest inkling of hope, but with how long stuff has taken in the past, it should have been obvious that the farthest destinations should have been first.......
Now you see the price you pay for rebelling against the crown.
Anyway, first pic of delivery has been sighted onthe Mantic forum, thanks to ZombiePirate:
Spoiler:
Mine is still saying ready for UPS, but then I think Mantic said somewhere in the comments that those belonging to people paying for courier shipping was being handled first, so no big deal.
Also, it was confirmed that the 6 named characters from the 2nd wave will be metal, so if you need to contact Mantic to get some stuff changed around, now's the time.
Earth Dragon wrote: As always, I'm impressed yet flabergasted at Mantic's business decisions.
Haha, that's awesome and very much how I feel. I love them and a lot of what they do - this courier shipping being the latest example. But some of what they do is very /facepalm
It's almost like everyone forgot Hesse are former GW employees . Poor decision making seems to be breed into them. After getting in a few games with mantic rules I'm thinking of playing deadzonecome when it comes out. But I also just bought a mantic Orc horde and the metal multipart hero sucks to put together. Looks like it was designed for restic, but then made in metal so all the joints are terrible.
It's so odd reading about US posters complaining about international shipments (them, in this case) not being sent out first, when for most of the US Kickstarters I've been on, international shipments start going out about half way through shipping.
solkan wrote: It's so odd reading about US posters complaining about international shipments (them, in this case) not being sent out first, when for most of the US Kickstarters I've been on, international shipments start going out about half way through shipping.
Will do a more detailed showing once I've gotten back from my 40K game today. I have seen one grot sniper rifle is bendy but thats a quick fix, got a tonne of Marauders to get through and assemble (went double starter facton with them) my wife is thrilled with her rebs (and pink dice) not even opened main box game yet but scenerywise I think I'm set for life
lol. I'm hoping there's not too many casting problems because I simply don't have the time to be dunking restic in hot water; I've got old-dude problems, more money but less nerd-time.
After all this metal business, the figure I most want to see is the Helfather. If anyone here gets that figure, please put up some good close-up shots. I'd really like to get a Helfather in the next survey if the metal casting quality is good.
I'm personally pulling for an entire Helfather faction in the next Deadzone expansion. And according to Stewart, there are some people in the Mantic offices hoping for the same thing, so it's a possibility. I'm not really a Forge Fathers type of guy, but Chaos Dwarfs in space would be too cool to pass up.
(I never said my tastes in miniature races were logical or consistent.)
Earth Dragon wrote: Yeah if America and Australia get their stuff post Christmas just so UK can get theirs in November, I'm done with Mantic.
I holding onto the smallest inkling of hope, but with how long stuff has taken in the past, it should have been obvious that the farthest destinations should have been first.......
Earth Dragon wrote: Yeah if America and Australia get their stuff post Christmas just so UK can get theirs in November, I'm done with Mantic.
I holding onto the smallest inkling of hope, but with how long stuff has taken in the past, it should have been obvious that the farthest destinations should have been first.......
Are you suggesting the people who paid for shipping shouldn't get their stuff first? They absolutely should. By the way, I did not pay for shipping, so I don't expect to get mine before those who did. However, I was also in the first group of people to get dread ball season three stuff, so it comes down to luck of the draw.
@Souleater Was it sent by Royal Mail or UPS? If by UPS you can go to their website, but in the notice info and change delivery options. I usually have to do that for wine since they want a signature and they always stop by about an hour before I get off work.
Oh my that looks somewhat awesome Glad I got 1-2 of those after all. Still torn as to whether or not to do away with the mold lines. As a rule I always do, but there will be sooooo much terrain =/
Well I decided to go the openday this year to get my dz stuff early. Guess I should have just waited at home in that case but at least its given me the kick up the arse needed to go to an openday, plus theres always the goody bag and trade stand.
regarding metal figures, not that fused ive done nearly a quater of a century assembling them so no probs.
bit strange tho that the helfather didnt sell enough to justify restic, I thought he was awesome and was very popular in the ks comments.
Oh and I guess the ruined scenery sprue is wave2? I went kinda large on that one so I guess il have to wait a bit longer for my scenery fix.
Also, it was confirmed that the 6 named characters from the 2nd wave will be metal, so if you need to contact Mantic to get some stuff changed around, now's the time.
Only metal model in my pack is the Hellfather - and after a quick look can confirm him being metal won't be an issue - just stick the arms on, anyone with opposable thumbs should be OK
I just found out I got screwed... Mantic misprinted my address, and UPS apparently has abandoned my package on the airport customs at Buenos Aires, 1200 km from where I live...
Earth Dragon wrote: Yeah if America and Australia get their stuff post Christmas just so UK can get theirs in November, I'm done with Mantic.
I holding onto the smallest inkling of hope, but with how long stuff has taken in the past, it should have been obvious that the farthest destinations should have been first.......
I think you got me. I almost thought this was serious for a second.
Mantic is (once again) shipping and delivering a KS early, and there's complaints that the people who paid extra for faster shipping are actually getting their stuff first?
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JMMelo wrote: I just found out I got screwed... Mantic misprinted my address, and UPS apparently has abandoned my package on the airport customs at Buenos Aires, 1200 km from where I live...
Make sure you gave them your correct address! I would assume KS info exports into the various popular shipping solutions (UPS WorldShip, USPS Dazzle, etc)
Regardless you can have UPS reroute packages. And UPS certainly doesn't abandon packages; they'll stay in a sorting center until someone fixes the error.
It will be hard to resist building one up and making pew pew noises with it.
I went ahead and switched out my mercs that ended up being in metal now (Helfather and Boomer) and went ahead and got the acrylic counters instead.
Will wait and see what they look like before I order them during round two.
I don't mind the metal myself, but my kids tend to be a little rough and the plastic seems to survive them better, especially after being sealed/ inked/ dipped/ wrapped in bubblewrap.
That emplacement looks more like a toy than a piece of wargames scenery. Admittedly toys are used as terrain, but it just looks awfully simplistic to me.
See, the guns awesome in my mind. However, I've already got like 120 quids worth of planetstrike terrain so I decided only to get the one kit of it for the options.
I selected 2 Ruined, 1 fort, 1 landing pad as part of the extra scenery, will all of it be held back as the Ruins aren't done yet, or will I just get the ruins later?
edlowe wrote: Well I decided to go the openday this year to get my dz stuff early. Guess I should have just waited at home in that case but at least its given me the kick up the arse needed to go to an openday, plus theres always the goody bag and trade stand.
I've done the same. I thought it might be nice to get a demo in from someone who knows the game too
kilcin wrote: @Souleater Was it sent by Royal Mail or UPS? If by UPS you can go to their website, but in the notice info and change delivery options. I usually have to do that for wine since they want a signature and they always stop by about an hour before I get off work.
I'll remember that for next time, cheers.
By the time I got home Mantic had passed my work address to them. Props to Mantic as they must be run off their feet right now.
JMMelo wrote: I just found out I got screwed... Mantic misprinted my address, and UPS apparently has abandoned my package on the airport customs at Buenos Aires, 1200 km from where I live...
Make sure you gave them your correct address! I would assume KS info exports into the various popular shipping solutions (UPS WorldShip, USPS Dazzle, etc)
Regardless you can have UPS reroute packages. And UPS certainly doesn't abandon packages; they'll stay in a sorting center until someone fixes the error.
The address I gave correctly on the KS form apparently was pasted to UPS without the state information, BUT it has the proper zip code, so it shouldn't be a problem.The problem is that the package was categorized as "cargo", and UPS claims that only the owner can collect it at the airport in Buenos Aires. I only found out because the package was supposed to be here on Tuesday and it was a no-show and I called them. The local UPS had me call UPS Buenos Aires. They actually told me that "UPS cannot contact everyone" when there are problems! It's a 7 pound box! Hardly a container full of drugs! Now they say that unless I go and claim it there, 800 miles away, it's abandoned cargo. Don't even know if they can return it to Mantic. So, yes, UPS kinda abandoned my stuff.
Every time Mantic used Royal Mail, I got my stuff, no problems, went to the post office and received it. Just received my S3 Dreadball stuff on Wednesday. First time they use a "door-to-door" courier, I get the shaft... I just sent an email asking for a refund, for my 772 dollars Deadzone order and my 105 dollars LOKA order (which apparently will also use UPS!). Sorry, I am so mad right now I just want to
UPDATE: UPS managed to inform me, after 5 calls, that the package will be returned to Mantic in 4 weeks if I cannot claim it.
JMMelo wrote: I just found out I got screwed... Mantic misprinted my address, and UPS apparently has abandoned my package on the airport customs at Buenos Aires, 1200 km from where I live...
Make sure you gave them your correct address! I would assume KS info exports into the various popular shipping solutions (UPS WorldShip, USPS Dazzle, etc)
Regardless you can have UPS reroute packages. And UPS certainly doesn't abandon packages; they'll stay in a sorting center until someone fixes the error.
The address I gave correctly on the KS form apparently was pasted to UPS without the state information, BUT it has the proper zip code, so it shouldn't be a problem.The problem is that the package was categorized as "cargo", and UPS claims that only the owner can collect it at the airport in Buenos Aires. I only found out because the package was supposed to be here on Tuesday and it was a no-show and I called them. The local UPS had me call UPS Buenos Aires. They actually told me that "UPS cannot contact everyone" when there are problems! It's a 7 pound box! Hardly a container full of drugs! Now they say that unless I go and claim it there, 800 miles away, it's abandoned cargo. Don't even know if they can return it to Mantic. So, yes, UPS kinda abandoned my stuff.
Every time Mantic used Royal Mail, I got my stuff, no problems, went to the post office and received it. Just received my S3 Dreadball stuff on Wednesday. First time they use a "door-to-door" courier, I get the shaft... I just sent an email asking for a refund, for my 772 dollars Deadzone order and my 105 dollars LOKA order (which apparently will also use UPS!). Sorry, I am so mad right now I just want to
So let me get this straight.
Mantic missed off the state information off your shipping label, despite the zip code and presumably the country being on there.
UPS delivered to Buenos Aires, despite it being on a different continent and using a completely different zip code system to the US (so therefore your zip code isn't valid in Argentina).
UPS doesn't bother to try and deliver nor will they recognise their mistake at sending a parcel to a continent where the shipping information (even if part of it was missing) is completely invalid.
This DZ package arrived in Beunos Aires on Tuesday, despite the first packages to UK buyers arriving today (Thursday).
I was at Mantic HQ on Monday and not a single DZ package had been dispatched or packed yet when they closed for the day.
So on Tuesday morning, Mantic were able to pack your order (and only your order), have UPS pick it up and deliver it to Argentina, all the space of maximum 12 hours?
And upon finding out that your package has been lost in the post, rather than email Mantic to find out what's going on and leaving them a reasonable amount of time to rectify any problems you request an immediate full reimbursement.
Oh yeah, and also no non-EU parcels have been dispatched yet at all because Mantic haven't sorted the customs paperwork yet but somehow magically yours has.
JMMelo wrote: I just found out I got screwed... Mantic misprinted my address, and UPS apparently has abandoned my package on the airport customs at Buenos Aires, 1200 km from where I live...
Make sure you gave them your correct address! I would assume KS info exports into the various popular shipping solutions (UPS WorldShip, USPS Dazzle, etc)
Regardless you can have UPS reroute packages. And UPS certainly doesn't abandon packages; they'll stay in a sorting center until someone fixes the error.
The address I gave correctly on the KS form apparently was pasted to UPS without the state information, BUT it has the proper zip code, so it shouldn't be a problem.The problem is that the package was categorized as "cargo", and UPS claims that only the owner can collect it at the airport in Buenos Aires. I only found out because the package was supposed to be here on Tuesday and it was a no-show and I called them. The local UPS had me call UPS Buenos Aires. They actually told me that "UPS cannot contact everyone" when there are problems! It's a 7 pound box! Hardly a container full of drugs! Now they say that unless I go and claim it there, 800 miles away, it's abandoned cargo. Don't even know if they can return it to Mantic. So, yes, UPS kinda abandoned my stuff.
Every time Mantic used Royal Mail, I got my stuff, no problems, went to the post office and received it. Just received my S3 Dreadball stuff on Wednesday. First time they use a "door-to-door" courier, I get the shaft... I just sent an email asking for a refund, for my 772 dollars Deadzone order and my 105 dollars LOKA order (which apparently will also use UPS!). Sorry, I am so mad right now I just want to
So let me get this straight.
Mantic missed off the state information off your shipping label, despite the zip code and presumably the country being on there.
UPS delivered to Buenos Aires, despite it being on a different continent and using a completely different zip code system to the US (so therefore your zip code isn't valid in Argentina).
UPS doesn't bother to try and deliver nor will they recognise their mistake at sending a parcel to a continent where the shipping information (even if part of it was missing) is completely invalid.
This DZ package arrived in Beunos Aires on Tuesday, despite the first packages to UK buyers arriving today (Thursday).
I was at Mantic HQ on Monday and not a single DZ package had been dispatched or packed yet when they closed for the day.
So on Tuesday morning, Mantic were able to pack your order (and only your order), have UPS pick it up and deliver it to Argentina, all the space of maximum 12 hours?
And upon finding out that your package has been lost in the post, rather than email Mantic to find out what's going on and leaving them a reasonable amount of time to rectify any problems you request an immediate full reimbursement.
Oh yeah, and also no non-EU parcels have been dispatched yet at all because Mantic haven't sorted the customs paperwork yet but somehow magically yours has.
Have I got that right?
Maybe it was a Dreadball package or something else? Maybe it was Loka? It's not like he can even see the package to tell what it is.
Earth Dragon wrote: Yeah if America and Australia get their stuff post Christmas just so UK can get theirs in November, I'm done with Mantic.
I holding onto the smallest inkling of hope, but with how long stuff has taken in the past, it should have been obvious that the farthest destinations should have been first.......
Are you suggesting the people who paid for shipping shouldn't get their stuff first? They absolutely should. By the way, I did not pay for shipping, so I don't expect to get mine before those who did. However, I was also in the first group of people to get dread ball season three stuff, so it comes down to luck of the draw.
Check Facebook and the Mantic forums:
Everyone in the UK is first, and those who didn't pay for courier shipping are all getting. If you paid the $15 dollars is was all for naught. You are not prioritized, nor is your stuff being sent faster.
I can understand upgrading everyone's shipment to courier since it's the cheaper option, but those of us from outside of Europe who paid extra for faster shipping are BEHIND everyone in the UK, not just those who shelled out.
They are taking care if the short lead times first, long lead times last. If it wasn't for Christmas I wouldn't care. But that's just bass ackwards, in particular when you did everything you could to ensure you'd get your stuff AFAP and then Mantic decided to implode counter-intuitive logistics.
I know the UK guys don't give a rip cause they got UPS shipping for free and first. But those of us on the other side of the world are on a tight timeline and paid to get the good stuff ONLY to ensure presents were on time. The target date of the 25th of December was the same everywhere, so why wouldn't you start abroad and not down the street. It's just one of the many perplexing decisions Mantic makes. As I've said before, it's appears to be a bunch of hobbyists running the company because most of the decisions they make related to my line of work just seem off, and some of them are just down right incorrect choices when going for maximum efficiency.
Earth Dragon wrote: Yeah if America and Australia get their stuff post Christmas just so UK can get theirs in November, I'm done with Mantic.
I holding onto the smallest inkling of hope, but with how long stuff has taken in the past, it should have been obvious that the farthest destinations should have been first.......
Are you suggesting the people who paid for shipping shouldn't get their stuff first? They absolutely should. By the way, I did not pay for shipping, so I don't expect to get mine before those who did. However, I was also in the first group of people to get dread ball season three stuff, so it comes down to luck of the draw.
Check Facebook and the Mantic forums:
Everyone in the UK is first, and those who didn't pay for courier shipping are all getting. If you paid the $15 dollars is was all for naught. You are not prioritized, nor is your stuff being sent faster.
I can understand upgrading everyone's shipment to courier since it's the cheaper option, but those of us from outside of Europe who paid extra for faster shipping are BEHIND everyone in the UK, not just those who shelled out.
They are taking care if the short lead times first, long lead times last. If it wasn't for Christmas I wouldn't care. But that's just bass ackwards, in particular when you did everything you could to ensure you'd get your stuff AFAP and then Mantic decided to implode counter-intuitive logistics.
I know the UK guys don't give a rip cause they got UPS shipping for free and first. But those of us on the other side of the world are on a tight timeline and paid to get the good stuff ONLY to ensure presents were on time. The target date of the 25th of December was the same everywhere, so why wouldn't you start abroad and not down the street. It's just one of the many perplexing decisions Mantic makes. As I've said before, it's appears to be a bunch of hobbyists running the company because most of the decisions they make related to my line of work just seem off, and some of them are just down right incorrect choices when going for maximum efficiency.
If you had read the forums then you'd have also read this:
James wrote:Guys,
When have we not sorted out issues like this? Many conclusions are being jumped to. We're going to sort out anyone who paid for courier shipping, of course we are. Also, I didn't "release info on facebook" - I responded to someone's question in a Facebook group, just like I'm responding to this thread here. I can't be everywhere at once
We'll get details out as soon as we have them, but for now, can we just assume that this will be dealt with - because it will be - and take joy in the fact that shiny deadzone toys are starting to leave the warehouse and turn up with people? Thanks!
Also delivery date of December 2013 which they're well on track for. Parcels are arriving in November for some backers which is ahead of the delivery date.
JMMelo wrote: I just found out I got screwed... Mantic misprinted my address, and UPS apparently has abandoned my package on the airport customs at Buenos Aires, 1200 km from where I live...
It is alredy at Buenos Aires? How good is mail service in Argentina?
Maybe my package dont get to much time to find me after all...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also: the emplacement guy look like a chinese toy, not wargaming model. Not a problem to me (most my terrain IS chinese toys), but it is looking like it...
The amount of made up gak and speculation that there always is in regard to mantic is always surprising to me, but why wait for facts and information when you can just make stuff up to give you an excuse to whine aye.
Also I am pretty sure they are currently ahead of schedule.
blagmasterg on Mantic forums wrote:Essentially, I made a joke ref the cards for mercs etc which are due out in the second shipment but which James said would be available to download as a PDF shortly. I did a pretend kick off that this was unfair and I expected Ronnie and Jake to hand deliver the cards to my door personally and James' off the cuff response was that he could get me a signed dead bird if I liked.
From such terribly small and silly puns do mighty threads of silliness grow
I live in Argentina... I have no idea why the flag thing changed... I just realized it's a US flag on my second post now. The first one is correct, though... The rest is correct. Right address, no state, proper zip code (we do have those in South America, I kid you not!)
I am assuming it is Deadzone, since it is a 2,9 kilo (about 6,6 pounds) package. I did pay for courier shipping, like all other backers in Latin America, so it makes sense it arrives early... I was as surprised as you when I got an email from UPS with the tracking code and the bad news... Loka should be lighter, and I received my Dreadball S3 stuff on Tuesday, and it was just over 1 kilo. I am not expecting anything else from Mantic. I figure Deadzone could be HEAVIER than 3 kilos, but I didnt get any metal miniatures. All plastic for me.
I did request a refund, because as far as I can tell, other than going there myself, there is no other way to receive it without spending at least the same 700 dollars between plane tickets, hotel and taxes. I contacted a "middleman" in Buenos Aires that deals with customs, and left a message. But this is usually the kinda guy businesses hire to release large orders. IF they tell me there is a way to get the stuff by spending less than 100 dollars plus taxes, that´s the road I am taking, but I am not too hopeful. Also, if the courier is the problem (as it seems to be!), I will be having the same problems with my Loka order.
All clear now?
BTW, how do I change the flag thing back?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, may I add, I am truly sorry if my post sounded like trolling or an attack on Mantic. I am a huge fan, I own ALL dreadball teams, plus a lot of extras. I backed all 4 KS after KoW, and so far I had no regrets regarding quality or delivery. I was worried after I got the email from UPS, and was hoping to find that other South American backers were able to avoid it.
Also that was the gakky end of a gakky day at work, so I panicked a bit... my bad.
So, in short: I am trying to solve the issue, either with UPS or Mantic. If I can somehow get the stuff, I'd prefer that. If they could somehow send my following stuff by Royal Mail, I´d prefer that too. Let them keep the change! I just want my stuff delivered in the same city!
Hmm, I'm not that impressed with the fortifications sprue. Seems very toy-like, especially the gun. Perhaps once some battle damage is added it will look better?
Yeah, I seem to remember 10 listed as well. And 10 is a better number for a 2 player game when you consider things like aim, helpers for blaze away, and roll ups from exploding dice. I've got two strike teams coming and recently picked up 10 extra to use for the beta, so I'm not going to mind (not to mention mars attacks eventually, will be inundated with d8s =/ guess it'll keep my clerics happy ) only getting a dozen instead of 20. However, for folks who just got the one set, it will be a real PITA to play with just 6 dice for two players.
Rest looks awesome, but I'll have to see that 1st gen in person to really grasp it's size. It looks huge, but my brain isn't registering *how* huge.
@Triszin, optimistically we could hope they start shipping stateside (and Canada) on Monday. But don't get your hopes up too high, I think part of the issue was sorting out customs or something, so there could always be further delays. But since they've seemingly had to upgrade everyone to courier shipping, once they do start rapid firing packages our way, we ought to get them sooner than not... at least I would assume.
I think the fortification sprue is way cooler than I was expecting and I'm glad I got at least 1-2 of them ( I... think? that or I went double down on landing pads instead, all I know is I'm getting some defense line sprues). The thicker walls actually look better than I had expected, the gun is really beefy and objective-worthy, and wasn't there something about a larger gate/doorway? Its a bit fuzzy now, memory lame and all that.
While I realize folks may not be crazy interested in this during the deadzone shipping frenzy, they did update the graphic for the Christmas Crazy Box:
This one shows the dreadball giant and mvp, as well as some marauder grunts, skinny elves, dwarves, what looks like a wrecked raptor (didn't even know that existed) and maybe an iron ancestor or something with some other sprues behind. Obviously it states all the contents will vary (although you get your giant and mvp).
Was just perusing the website and figured I'd pop that on here for a change of pace
I'm going to pick a couple of those up, but was hoping to wait until more deals had been released so I could see if I wanted them. Are more still coming after the $100 ones SS posted in the KoW thread? Was half hoping for the messenger bag too ; p
Last year's box was roughly equivalent to this one, sans guaranteed DB giant and mvp. Dunno about the bag. I hadn't considered getting two actually... Hrm. Gonna let someone gift this to me since it's a fairly easy thing to get and I'll be genuinely excited about opening it I was gonna add a couple of things to the wishlist so free shipping could be had but I just checked most of those off by accidentally indulging in MM's black friday mantic goodness. Good idea Yonan, why *not* double up on my random goodness and get free shipping into the bargain, for just $10 more than I was gonna make the order out to be
Now to find some poor soul who likes me enough to get me presents
Hahaha exactly! I may have done similar, buying my own presents "from" people... win/win imo! ; )
edit: I got my (retail) Dreadball season 3 yesterday, I can confirm that the new restic is much nicer to work with, easier to clean, holds nice crisp detail etc. just as we saw with pictures earlier. Very happy Deadzone is made with this stuff as imo, only multi-part hard plastic is better.
Have you tried cutting it. As in, in half, for repositioning limbs or cutting of the integrabases? That's the property that I'm most interested in at the moment, since I've got a couple hundred minis coming (well less until second wave arrives) that are going to need to be prepped for acrylic bases.
I was going to see about fashioning an energy fist Sgt too, but I seem to have used all of mine up on the last project. Pity, but what would I ever have done with three of those! I'm definitely going to make a solid attempt at a fusion gun or two.
Got mine delivered this morning UK time, first impressions:
I went for a Vanilla strike team pledge with an additional rebel faction starter, that alone is a lot of stuff.
The models: The casting is more crisp than I saw on a lot of the early dreadball figures, mould lines are still an issue though. Some will be an absolute pita to remove. As ever larger figures (Plague 1st gen, terraton etc) are less prone to mould lines.
Some fiddly bits (heads etc) but most people used to putting together miniatures will have no problem with construction. Lack of instructions may be an issue for those that do not have much experience.
The terrain: Great casting and lots of it, will have a go at putting some together asap and will get back. Almost limitless potential.
Game mat: A great piece of kit. A bit crumpled in transit but nothing a few hours with a heavy book will not sort out. I expected the printing on it to be a bit crisper, but that is personal taste. Paper mat seems useable enough too.
Card components: Nice quality, great printing will probably tire over time with extended use.
Rulebook: The e-copy showed the great layout and copy
but loving the lightness of the book.
Overall I am very happy with my delivery, will try and get some pictures up asap.
Mine has been showing ready for processing since 27/11, no sign of movement so far.....
7.1 KGs of plastic goodness on the way, can't wait!
Was hoping to have for the weekend so i could get it made and try it out Tuesday at my gaming club, oh well. Can't complain as at least its going to meet it KS date, unlike some other KS i'm on (looking at you Robotech and Relic knights! ).
After just an initial mess around with the battlezones the clip system works really well, is simple and intuitive. I think we will see more creative people than me do some brilliant things with these. I think I will glue mine for added stability though.
Thanks for coming through Thraxas! Dat mouldline ; p Mouldlines are pretty easy to cleanup though, and beat the opposite - needing to fill in gaps. Thanks for the pics! Nice and sharp. Seeing the first gen like that... he's beautiful ; ) I really like the marauders, everything seems to have crisp detail as hoped.
Do the terrain clips seem durable to you? They won't break that easily with repeated assembling?
edit: The dwarf tart on the left in the second pic, does she have washy details or is it just the angle/light?
A few pictures of the standard battlezones that I got with my strike team pledge:
From left to right I got 4 of the sprues on the left, 2 connector sprues and 4 of the sprues on the right.
I got 8 of the sprues on the left and 4 of the sprues on the right.
Also pretty sure that I got a couple of extra bags of rebs/plague models.
@Carlos: they are not to bad to remove, the difficulty is obviously not wanting to remove any detail with them.
@Yonan, that is more the angle and light to be fair, then again her face is pretty flat. The connectors seem durable enough to me, those and the bulkheads have a certain heft to them.
Mould lines forcedme to stop my unboing last nice, some are really rough to get rid of and the material is a bit harder than I'm used to which is giving me a bit of frustration. Some of the models are a royal pain to build without the instructions and I'm hoping that 2 of my marauders without heads have them in a different baggie otherwise I'm down by 2. Havent touched anything beyond the marauders yet but the weird tracked weapon has no instructions and is a real pain for me to figure out.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: A few pictures of the standard battlezones that I got with my strike team pledge:
From left to right I got 4 of the sprues on the left, 2 connector sprues and 4 of the sprues on the right.
I got 8 of the sprues on the left and 4 of the sprues on the right.
Also pretty sure that I got a couple of extra bags of rebs/plague models.
@Carlos: they are not to bad to remove, the difficulty is obviously not wanting to remove any detail with them.
@Yonan, that is more the angle and light to be fair, then again her face is pretty flat. The connectors seem durable enough to me, those and the bulkheads have a certain heft to them.
Nice, thanks for the pics!
Incase anyone's wondering, I had a quick check and the contents of the new terrain sprues match up exactly with what was posted originally, despite being on three sprues rather than two:
The original plan was for 4 of each of these (8 total):
And the sprue layouts and quantities in Thraxas' post still add up to exactly the same amount of everything. Accessory sprue is split over 2 sprues but we were expecting that anyway.
The mould lines are a shame, but do look better placed so cleanup should be easier
As this is clearly going to be an on-going problem with restic smart companies should give their sculptors instructions to sculpt with this in mind
so no twiddly details, hoses, corregtions etc along the mould closure, preferable just smooth surfaces and gentle curves with space to get a blade into.
lord_blackfang wrote: Harumph. I wonder why all the empty space on most of the sprues when the connector sprue shows they can cram them as well a GW if they want...
The connector sprue (at first glance) looks made by a different company.
I'll hold of judgement until I get my box (should off come yesterday). I said for a while now that this would be the last chance for Mantics Restic for me. I'm a massive fan of Mantic and love there games but I really REALLY dislike there Restic because of the mold lines and headache that ensues from removing them. Absolutely love there Hard Plastic kits (only exception are of course the M@A) and if I'm disappointed by the Restic in Deadzone then I'll only stick to the Hard Plastic Kits from now on.
To be fair if we were dealing with GW Mantic would have released a "Mould line removal kit" for £50 consisting of 3 items available for under £5 at any DIY shop.
For me they are not a great problem, only the ones across faces (1 of the reb troopers) and on the smaller pieces are annoying. But nothing that half decent tools and a modicum of patience will sort out.
Am home for the rest of the day now if anyone wants any more pictures of anything.
*is it mould or mold? Or is this just a UK/US thing. To me mold is fungus and the stuff you certainly do not want on your food.
@ScarletSquig: In exchange for the pics I want some Open Day pics and goss in this thread during the weekend
Can I take a second here to praise Mantic's awesome customer service? Turns out the package was my LOKA pledge (which, since I pay for courier shipping, was shipped WAY early, on NOV 10!). UPS messed it up, and the guys at Mantic are looking into it to see if they can help. Also, they took my Deadzone pledge from the packing queue, and will ship it in smaller pieces, via RM; so the same thing don't happen again!
I am truly amazed by the quick response and the "can-do" attitude. UPS in Argentina could learn a thing or 2 (or 20!). Thanks, James!
Aslo, back on topic, I for one think the terrain looks great. Reminds me of the original Necromunda terrain, only with more options.
overtyrant wrote: I'll hold of judgement until I get my box (should off come yesterday). I said for a while now that this would be the last chance for Mantics Restic for me. I'm a massive fan of Mantic and love there games but I really REALLY dislike there Restic because of the mold lines and headache that ensues from removing them. Absolutely love there Hard Plastic kits (only exception are of course the M@A) and if I'm disappointed by the Restic in Deadzone then I'll only stick to the Hard Plastic Kits from now on.
Same here really.
I will wait to see everything in person, but I'm with you.
In the future, 'true' plastic or resin - or I'm not pledging!
Unless someone really improves the whole 'restic' thing to the point where this is less egregious than it currently is, of course!
The mold lines look a little more pronounced than in my corporation marines... but that just means I'm less likely to miss any with the knife . Thanks for all of the photos and feedback, gonna do a thorough unbox on my blog when this comes in anyway but I'm excited to see it all now!
If it's the same restic as Dreadball Season 3 then it's file-able. The softness of the older DB Season 1 restic/pvc meant you couldn't file it and the details were softer. The newer stuff is harder, holds detail better, and you can file the mold lines.
(it went from "this material is barely acceptable" to "this material is just fine" for me)
Just watched the unboxing video and Ronnie touched on shipping.
Anything sent so far was just a test batch (and will be 4 dice short). You may have got a shipping notification but they do that first before they pack it so just because you got a notification doesn't mean it's shipped only that packing is underway. They will be shipping anyone that paid for courier shipping first as planned. Royal Mail have refused to take a lot of the packages as they are to big so a lot of backers are getting upgraded to courier shipping but will still go standard post if they are small enough. To compensate those who paid for courier shipping they will get a resin version of the alt. survivor sculpt with wave 2 there will only be about 400 of them and they exclusive to courier backers no one else will get them or be able to buy them. Think that covers it.
Reading DaveC's post a bit more thoroughly means I don't need to add anything
Except how awesome that all is. And how mad the UPS guy is gonna be. I'm probably gonna have 3 of those big brown boxes after all the terrain is accounted for =/
Definitely watch the video on KS update 123 guys, its good (and pretty funny too )
Oh yes.. Just realised my Deadzone set has got some of the special characters in.. haven't looked too closely yet, but can see the small dwarf female, the plague doctor and the 'Krooters gonna kroot' guy. Does anyone know if the rule cards/stats are available for them yet, and if so where to find them?
Ronnie stated in his hilarious video that rules will be on their way out at some point. Can't remember when off the top of my head, but before the official retail release (as opposed to the retail pre-release).
No worries The mercs are all stacked, would be fun to work out a 'challenge mode' involving 2-3 of the meanest mercs against a normal strike team methinks.
Some shots from facebook. They did a great job on both, love the weathering on that terrain. Saving both as reference pics for ideas when doing mine ; p
Oh man..... I just opened my psychic jelly fish, and as the owner of a Tomb Kings army, I had to go and have cry in a dark corner about the thought of securing the eight legs
Wyrmalla wrote: That emplacement looks more like a toy than a piece of wargames scenery. Admittedly toys are used as terrain, but it just looks awfully simplistic to me.
It's the gun that makes it look toy-like. The rest of it should look fine once painted. It's a little meaninglessly busy, but its not like GW's stuff doesn't fall into the same trap...
Just watched the video, assuming decent restic... this KS is awesome. Summary of pros and cons that we know of so far
Pros: - Shipping *early*, pretty big for a KS. - More items shipping in first wave than expected. - Freebies (enforcers and maybe other random bits?) - Free courier upgrades for lots of people. - Free unique resin sculpt for courier backers (Damn you people! Give me one!!) - Free plague counters for those that bought acrylic counters. - New restic formula substantially better with better detail and less problems. - Hard plastic terrain came out crisp and just like the renders/concepts
Cons: - ~4 sculpts will be in metal / communication problem where they were announced as all being plastic - Substantial mould lines on some restic models. - Some bad mould line placement - Test shipments missing 4 dice. The majority won't be. - Fortification gun looks a bit flat/toylike.
Did I miss anything? Other than it looking damn awesome ; p
But better put down something for the dead bird/ no dead bird...
I'm still trying to figure out how the laser cannon thing is any more toylike than any of the other enforcer laser like the burst laser or etc. Can someone elaborate so my overly excited brain can understand that point of view?
It's just that it's so two dimensional I think. Could easily be solved by clipping two of them together, or having the base flare out to be more 3d. The gun itself looks good, it's just so.... flat.
edit: This is the gun from Dandys xenos aegis defence lines.
Ehh yeah I guess I can see where people are coming from. I dunno if I'd call it toy-like as much as flat. Flat I'll agree with. Still looks in-line with other corporation weapons though.
Yeah its a lit cooler in glorious 3d than on sprue renders. May have to get more fortified buildings scream scenarios. And can you imagine a battle systems interior with battle zone fortification tiles for the outside wall?
GrimDork wrote: And can you imagine a battle systems interior with battle zone fortification tiles for the outside wall?
Our minds are in perfect sync I swear ; )
The tinfoil! It does nothing!
(I finally managed to convince the missus to let me pledge for the Stronghold level, and I'm ecstatic about what I can do with that and my DZ terrain!)
Pic of a metal helfather and rear shot. Quality looks fine thankfully, nice and sharp unlike some of the season 3 dreadball we saw.
darkPrince010 wrote: (I finally managed to convince the missus to let me pledge for the Stronghold level, and I'm ecstatic about what I can do with that and my DZ terrain!)
Good work! It's going to be great isn't it ; ) A match made in heaven. Or Birmingham, something like that.
That's the Helfather right? I've just been looking at that miniature and it's great, although not sure whats going on in that photo he looks a little streched/wide-screen !
Took a while to work out which baggies were .e.g. Marauder 2 and which were Marauder 3 but all done now.
My only gripe is that 40mm bases and the little baggies are loose in the outer box. A number of the counters had popped out of the sheet. This would not have been a problem except that my parcel arrived with a hole in the corner which was large enough that some stuff could have fallen out.
Thankfully I only seem to have lost a single cardboard token.
For Warpath, might I suggest buying in some sturdier boxes because i think we're going to be buying a shed load more stuff for that
OTOH, Mantic as I said earlier, sorted out the change of delivery with UPS within an hour and I got my stuff ahead of schedule so a big thumbs up from be on that score.
Whoever put up the Helfather pic, much obliged. Glad to see the metal casting quality is holding up. I'll definitely be adding that little fellow, and maybe a few metal character models, to my survey #2 order.
I do hope the damage shown on the vaulting 2nd gen's wall in this pic isn't common, and is grounds for replacement by Mantic without necessitating return shipping, though.
Dropbox link has Marauders too now. They look really damn good imo, I think they came out excellent, probably bumped up to my second fave faction now after the rebs.
Yeah not sure what the deal is with that terrain the 2nd gen is vaulting over. Mantic is really good with replacements. I can see them coming with the second shipment to save monies where possible which would be fine imo.
Hummm yep I'm removing all the bases and rebasing everything the restic is easy enough to do if a bit time consuming but metal is a PITA to remove the base from.
I do hope the damage shown on the vaulting 2nd gen's wall in this pic isn't common, and is grounds for replacement by Mantic without necessitating return shipping, though.
Well, if you refuse any and all replacement items and instead demand a full refund of your entire KS pledge... then yeah, you have to return it
I'm freshly back from the Mantic Open Day and it was great fun. James (M) Hewitt was saying that he thinks there was 300 odd people there today, I'm imagining there would be more, maybe up to 400-ish over the course of the day. - Especially as there were whole groups of people down the road at the Mantic Bunker off and on during the day for the seminars.
There weren't a *huge* number of new models to show off, just a couple of cases worth.
First up, we have the Zombie Troll Shaman and the Ogre Warlock characters.
Then we have some more of the upcoming Mars Attacks minis, including the truck and flying saucer. - I know I haven't seen the actual models of those two in a scale shot before.
Unfortunately, I screwed up and didn't take any pictures of Kings of War Badger riders.
I do, however, have some painted Deadzone ones. These include the metal Chovar/jellyfish guy, who I was told had well fitted ball joints. The model shown was a metal mini and was not pinned.
Please note the badass Plague Terraton in the background.
And here's the big, exciting piece of news, a new team (Or MVPs????) for Dreadball Extreme. - The Convicts! Sadly I only saw these guys after the seminar, so didn't get to quiz Ronnie about them. There's also a couple of the Abyssal dudes in the background from Kings of War.
I have a couple of other pics available, including the Deadzone Forge Father Brokkrs *AND* The Brokkrs for DREADBALL but sadly the Dakka image uploader is throwing a massive hissy fit at me.
...I will be getting so many of those chovar... Loving the characters in the top pic; they look to be some kind of resin now? Any word on likely material for those? I'd imagine them being metal, but you never know with Mantic - could be restic.
Wouldn't really mind paying resin prices for one or two of those warlocks, though
Plus thats not showing the content of the main box.
just got back from the openday having carried it back via a tram and 3 trains!
really impressed with what ive looked at so far. Plus the new stuff at the open day was awesome. Has anyone mentioned the Brokker team for dz extreme? Plus the plague mutation pack?
I'm betting the Plague Mutation Pack is just a Deadzone card set. But if they did add in a sprue of various mutated limbs / heads / etc. for the Plague, it could go a long way towards making the 3rd gens more interesting.
Will get picks up of models, close ups and more tomorrow. We were blown away. It was quite funny watching other backers literally carry massive cartons filled with Deadzone Goodness. The cartons (Master cartons) were huge.
Wish my phone could hold a charge! But there were pics on the pc screen of the dz mechs and then aload of mutants. Hopefullysome else managed to get a pic!
The Molochs were awesome can't wait for the 2nd kowks next year
The Molochs look really terrible. The tiny feet (no legs) don't work for them. How fast could they actually waddle after a victim?
in the flesh the Waddle demons look awesome imho, their certainly a unique style similar to the trolls, they are also really huge bigger than a gw ogre. I really want a huge army of them.
The Molochs look really terrible. The tiny feet (no legs) don't work for them. How fast could they actually waddle after a victim?
in the flesh the Waddle demons look awesome imho, their certainly a unique style similar to the trolls, they are also really huge bigger than a gw ogre. I really want a huge army of them.
I'm viewing on a phone, so how closely do the molochs translate to the image from the Basilean Legacy? If similar...I want tons.
Their very similar from what I recall of the artwork. I was really taken with them.
Also forgot to mention the Plague squirrel! It was rejected from the swarm for bing to silly but Remy was very keen to show it off! I so hope someone got a picture.
Compel wrote: These include the metal Chovar/jellyfish guy, who I was told had well fitted ball joints. The model shown was a metal mini and was not pinned.
The sockets are quite shallow compared to the ball, so they basically act as a guide for where to put the feelers, but structurally they do very little. It would IMO be a brave player not to pin them and hope the model stays together. I find that description a little optimistic.
- Zombie sprue has finished tooling and test sprues are incoming (they are hoping to have them tomorrow).
- Mantic has a strict "if we don't like it we're not paying you" contract with their manufacturer now which is apparently doing wonders for tooling quality. Warpath KS has been deliberately delayed for a long time because they're just plain not touching it unless they can go almost entirely hard plastic with it and have a properly established, not-experimental, confident production process for detailed organics up and running.
- You are not going to want or need to use glue on any of your deadzone terrain, snap fit means snap fit and its about three times harder to take the things apart than it is to put them together.
- 4 Kickstarters next year.. Dreadball Extreme, Kings of War, DKH 4, Warpath, possibly in that order. They expect DB Extreme and KoW to be small, and DKH 4 and Warpath to be insanely massive in terms of total funding given what they have planned for the last two. Possibility of much shorter-length kickstarters in future, they know they have a mature KS audience at this point that doesn't want things to drag out and likes to keep it simple. Probably no faction swapouts in future kickstarters, Mars Attacks credit system wasn't popular (I liked it, though).
- KoWKS will be for Abyssals, then try to fund Nature and terrain. Alessio rewriting Abyssal list.
- They want KoW 2.0 to have entirely shipped before Warpath KS launches to give some idea of timescales... a lot of stuff is already sculpted for KoW 2.0, the infantry is all digitally sculpted hard plastic, and Slyvain is doing the restics which will be the large infantry and other minis.
- There is going to be a new, fifth battlezone coming out with the retail release. It'll have the long wall and other stuff on it.
- There will be some fantasy terrain in the KoW Kickstarter. I tried to get some hints out of Ronnie but he didn't let much slip, just talked about using the same modular system as the deadzone terrain, possibility of fantasy buildings/ castle.
- Lots of Brokkrs! My favourite part of the day was seeing these. For both deadzone and dreadball, they're much closer to the dreadball sculpts in style than the warpath ones, proportions are really good. I thought they were Kev white sculpts due to the clean sculpting style, but they're by Steve Saunders (think he did the Rebs as well? Damn good sculpts).
They had a 3d print of the mining laser too, looked great. Anyone who backed for forgefathers in DZ is going to be very happy,it looks like
- Molochs are actually rather nice, I am pleasantly surprised Slyvain toned down the concept art a bit in terms of proportions, the hands are not giant, they're scaled nicely and while the short legs and long arms are there it doesn't feel as disjointed on the sculpts like it does on the trolls. It seems to work a bit better. 6 head options, and tons of arm options for the moloch units, as well as full command. Same amount of bitz as the ogres.
Ronnie was talking about 'Mantic Presents...' in my seminar (the first of the day). Basically, Mantic are going to be providing logistic support to new companies with new products going forward and by putting their name on it are willing to help out if something goes horribly wrong in a new kickstarter that these new companies try.
That and inviting Hawk Wargames, Mongoose and Warlord games along to their Open Day really does give the true sense that the Mantic folks are trying to grow The Hobby, as opposed to The HHHobby.
As a slight tangent during the chat, Jake Thornton let slip that he's personally making his own wee board game to sell soon. Based on Greek myth, you take control of one of several of the ancient heroes and go off to do quests, like slay the minotaur.
Thanks for the info dump SS! You bring us such nice things.
scarletsquig wrote: My own info dump from the Open Day. - Zombie sprue has finished tooling and test sprues are incoming.
Ex-cel-lent, here's hoping they're finally getting the organic plastics right.
- Mantic has a strict "if we don't like it we're not paying you" contract with their manufacturer now which is apparently doing wonders for tooling quality. Warpath KS has been deliberately delayed for a long time because they're just plain not touching it unless they can go almost entirely hard plastic with it and have a properly established, not-experimental, confident production process for detailed organics up and running.
Good to hear! This bodes well for the fututre plastics. Either get something good, or still have the money to pay someone else to do it good... or refund, either way.
- You are not going to want or need to use glue on any of your deadzone terrain, snap fit means snap fit and its about three times harder to take the things apart than it is to put them together.
There have been reports of the connectors not working well. Not sure if its bad sprues or people just not knowing they need to snap them in yet though.
- 4 Kickstarters next year.. Dreadball Extreme, Kings of War, DKH 4, Warpath.
@Alph: I don't know, it's not a style I like, but other people do seem to like it or I wouldn't have had plenty of eager buyers for my marauders/plague.
I think it works okay with the Molochs since the hands are sized normally and the faces are quite demonic, they're not trolls by a long shot. There are some points on the Molochs where Slyvain seems to have done his own thing rather than sticking to the concept art, and the end result is that I actually like the models.
I had a chat with Slyvain and he explained that he follows concept art pretty closely, basically making a 3d carbon copy of the 2d concept art for the most part, so if you want to pin down the source it's either Heath Foley's style or some kind of art direction asking him to make the concept art with those specific proportions (tiny legs/ long torso/long arms/giant hands). Note that with the trolls, the original concept art was thrown out and replaced with a new small legs/ long arms design, so it is possible there is some sort of effort to make that the default style for all monstrous/ barbaric miniatures that mantic produces.
Oh, and one hilarious extra - during a seminar someone mentioned the "lego hands" tooling split being kinda sucky. Ronnie completely agreed and said he'd kept telling Stew it was a bad idea then encouraged everyone in the room to go and mob Stew after the seminar and tell him it was a bad idea.
As a slight tangent during the chat, Jake Thornton let slip that he's personally making his own wee board game to sell soon. Based on Greek myth, you take control of one of several of the ancient heroes and go off to do quests, like slay the minotaur.
Finally, someone is tackling Greek Myth in the tabletop or board gaming industry. I hope he has enough time to finish writing Billy and the Cloneasaurus while he's at it.
I am super-excited about their new contract with the hard plastic manufacturing company. Yes, I'm hard for hard plastic.
I think I'll be in for DKH4 and Warpath to varying degrees. I may minimally back the other two to support mantic but I've more or less sworn off non-undead fantasy models and have no other dreadball models (except incoming MVPs from strikex2). Maybe for the fantasy terrain if it's awesome, although I'm a lot more comfortable busting out fantasy terrain with the plaster and the flock and so on.
Brokkrs good you say? Sweet, we're gonna need them to balance out super expensive forge guard ;D
The way I understand it DHK 1-3 are more along the lines of two smallish forces per side vying over the loot in a dungeon? I've heard that DKH4 is more along the lines of hero-centric. I'm sure the folks in the know can better elaborate.
Having seen the stuff the battle systems guys have come up with... it would be amazing if Mantic partnered up with them to unleash DKH4 with a slew of amazing card terrain, although mantic is making pretty strong strides in establishing plastic terrain so they may just stick to their guns as it were.
I'm glad they seem to have done good work on the Brokkrs, any elite-heavy faction should have a cheaper troop option to aid in list building and variety. I Imagine they've been done with quite a bit of character, and those poses look dynamic from what I can see.
Yup, can't wait to see the wife's expression when I open my box filled with Deadzone terrain sprues. "Why exactly did you need this many?"
Damn Brokkr sculpts are really good. If Mantic don't royally screw up the Forge Guard I'm going to be over budget (and in further marital trouble) when Survey 2 rolls around.
I'll have to take a similar picture when I get mine. If that's 4 battlezones, I at least have hope that I'll be able to physically contain my order within my hobby space. Barely.
I may be over or underestimating here... but I think I'm gonna end up with 3 of those big brown boxes. Wife will probably be cross, tis true
I'm only staring down the barrel of 12 if I recall... Ordered 2 ruined sets I think. Of course I've got a bit coming from mars attacks too, depending on how I like the scenery and how far I think it'll stretch I may convert some MA stuff into DZ tiles but we'll see most of that MA stuff was pretty awesome too.
scarletsquig wrote: - 4 Kickstarters next year.. Dreadball Extreme, Kings of War, DKH 4, Warpath, possibly in that order. They expect DB Extreme and KoW to be small, and DKH 4 and Warpath to be insanely massive in terms of total funding given what they have planned for the last two. Possibility of much shorter-length kickstarters in future, they know they have a mature KS audience at this point that doesn't want things to drag out and likes to keep it simple. Probably no faction swapouts in future kickstarters, Mars Attacks credit system wasn't popular (I liked it, though).
Faction swapouts are a bandaid. If people want them, you're bundling the wrong things together. A game like Dreadball should be a bundle of the core module (rules, board, dice, referee, etc) and two team modules. Or, if you're joining an established league, you buy a bundle of the core module and one team module. The core content, the male Corporation and the Marauders should not all be treated as a single entity, because it's just as obnoxious when Mantic does it as when Games Workshop does it for the Space Marines.
Finally, someone is tackling Greek Myth in the tabletop or board gaming industry. I hope he has enough time to finish writing Billy and the Cloneasaurus while he's at it.
I don't know if you're being serious above (I'd give it about 50/50) but you might want to check out the Wargods line, specifically the "of Olympus" version.
Finally, someone is tackling Greek Myth in the tabletop or board gaming industry. I hope he has enough time to finish writing Billy and the Cloneasaurus while he's at it.
I don't know if you're being serious above (I'd give it about 50/50) but you might want to check out the Wargods line, specifically the "of Olympus" version.
Its not even close to 50/50. pretty sure billy and the cloneasaurus is a simpsons reference where someone (I want to say apu, maybe skinner) writes a book called Billy and the Cloneasaurus and its pretty much Jurassic park.If I am right how can I remember this but not what I did this morning.
@Carlos13th I get that all the time. I can tell you all kinds of pointless facts about useless things, but I struggle to remember other things I would actually consider important or at least useful in the present context. =/
Finally, someone is tackling Greek Myth in the tabletop or board gaming industry. I hope he has enough time to finish writing Billy and the Cloneasaurus while he's at it.
I don't know if you're being serious above (I'd give it about 50/50) but you might want to check out the Wargods line, specifically the "of Olympus" version.
Its not even close to 50/50. pretty sure billy and the cloneasaurus is a simpsons reference where someone (I want to say apu, maybe skinner) writes a book called Billy and the Cloneasaurus and its pretty much Jurassic park.If I am right how can I remember this but not what I did this morning.
Finally, someone is tackling Greek Myth in the tabletop or board gaming industry. I hope he has enough time to finish writing Billy and the Cloneasaurus while he's at it.
I don't know if you're being serious above (I'd give it about 50/50) but you might want to check out the Wargods line, specifically the "of Olympus" version.
No, I was not being serious. I haven't seen someone try to cram such an overdone idea into such a full market since Chris Valera last mentioned zombies. But I wish him the best of luck*.
And I pledged for Wargods of Olympus. I'm looking forward to my minis.
*I wonder which niche of a niche he'll try to fill: minotaurs with hooves or minotaurs with feet. Hooves is pretty glutted, but feet don't sell. Unless the minotaur has breasts.
GrimDork wrote: @Carlos13th I get that all the time. I can tell you all kinds of pointless facts about useless things, but I struggle to remember other things I would actually consider important or at least useful in the present context. =/
I am suffering from a head injury that genuinely messed with my memory to the point where I forgot why i was at the doctors the other day. Yet this I remember.
Thanks very much for the write-ups guys, is very much appreciated!
Been putting together some bits from the box, and overall have to say I'm pretty pleased with it. Enforcers are nice, I'm somewhat less enamoured with them simply because I've done lots of similar 'masked guys in armour' miniatures from Infinity and Sedition Wars recently, but can imagine lots of people are going to love them. But, what's really got me is the Plague guys - really enjoying putting them together! Especially the Stage 3, who as Carlos13th said look like guys who have forever missed leg day Really characterful though, make me think of the mutants from Fallout and I'm going to paint them appropriately. The only down-point is that it seems like you are constrained with miniature posing (they are slot fit with the arms and heads), although I'm sure they would be easy to convert.
Special characters are nice as well, the Enforcer Captain is great and probably my favourite miniature of that range.
Had a good read of the rulebook and am again am impressed by the overall quality of it. Background is very cool, it's got a real feeling of cynicism & satire (think of Paul Verhoeven's 'Robocop' or 2000AD) going through it and I've really enjoyed reading it. You can certainly tell that Jake Thornton was involved with Necromunda all those years ago, the ghost of that game is running through so many elements of the way the game design works and seems to fit together.
Overall really impressed - up till now Dreadball has been my favourite Mantic game, so much fun and a really well designed game, but I think if Deadzone continues to get supported it's definitely got the potential to give that game a run for its money.
To my complete shock, I now have proof that the courier shipment notifications are going out to US addresses.
Due to the magic of international shipping, Fed Ex is claiming that it will be picked up on Monday and delivered on Tuesday. Although I'm still a bit confused about when it'll actually leave the warehouse, because of the Friday video update...
The thing was, at the time, I thought I was being pretty rational with terrain buying. "Oh, I'll just get the small 4 battlezone set. 1 fortification, 1 landing pad, 2 ruins."
So I basically have another 25%'s worth coming in the second shipment.
Ended up making a small landing pad, if I was to go bigger id end up using a ton of sprues. No problems so far with the clips, I've had to take bits apart a few time to get the right construction. I'd recommend a blunt cocktail stick if they get stuck, saying that its only happen on a couple.
Not too sure how the stairs work but heres what I've come up with, sorry for the blurry pics!
Well folks, Fedex tells me I have a 14 lb. box due to arrive from Mantic on Tuesday. I am excited. Now I can go on a spending hiatus for the next.... year?
Barzam wrote: Well folks, Fedex tells me I have a 14 lb. box due to arrive from Mantic on Tuesday. I am excited. Now I can go on a spending hiatus for the next.... year?
I just got mine as well, though obviously with the laughable dates mentioned earlier. IIRC from the video, it just means they've printed your label, as there's something coming in Wednesday that they want before they start shipping.
FedEx tells me I have a 40lb box coming though... Even 18 kilos doesn't make it sound much better...
Really, really wish I'd gone for more scenery. As well as what's in the game I've got 1 extra core battlezone and a landing pad. I know I'm going to run out of bits when trying to make stuff though, and having those fortification 'bulkheads' to snap in to make any structure look more fortified would be great. I also don't mind the gun, I think it's the stand that makes it look a little toy like, that painted black would probably improve the look a lot.
What's that you say? DZ tiles on the Mars Attacks KS? Hmm... you win, Mantic. Though I suppose the question is, what will ship first? Mars Attacks or the second wave of Deadzone?
Yonan wrote: Very nice Ed, that looks great - and suitably large! Easy enough to assemble? Connectors work well?
Once you get your head around how they work the sprues are very cool. Conectors are great tho I could have done with a few more sprues of them. Im sure we'll be seeing some very impressive structures built with them using the 45° conector and triangle wall section. Im very tempted to see just how high a tower I could build 1 cube wide
Definitely going to glue together some buildings and walkways. Just because it will be easier to get a board setup quicker. Plus I want to add some debris to the bases and maybe some mesh fencing across gaps.
really happy with the scenery so much so ive kinda ignored the figures! (Did notice tho none of my gobo snipers made it in one piece :( )
Just having a look around the net, didn't realise there was a TV series a decade or so ago called 'The Dead Zone', by Stephen King. And apparently a plague involved somewhere as well! Guess there might be some legal letters flying soon and all copies of Mantic's game withdrawn from sale..?
(Sorry, am just being very facetious.. !.)
This blog has got some quite cool pics of the DZ miniatures in it, inc. one of the plague Teraton, worth a look!
Great pics @Edlowe, thanks to you and those providing detailed updates from the Open Day. Upon closer inspection I got a few bonus minis with my delivery, 3 Plague grunts and 4 rebs/2 Yyndi(???) commanders. Hope that this doesn't mean that someone else is minus these.
Still got to do a proper check on the minis but it looks like I got extra starters instead of the specialist boosters. Not a biggie really as there mostly the same content. Does mean ive now got 3 A1 plague to play with! Great for my future warpath army.
Did get some random Zee mvp thats tiny, not really sure what il do with him. I think il use whoever I get in my xmas box as the mvp for rescuing, or the dz giant which could be quite funny.
going to try to build a fortified gun emplacement next.
The Zee is for the rescue the dreadball MVP mission, some are going to use him as a rebel commander.
As an aside has anyone got a list of what was offered in the 1st Deadzone survey? I cannot find it in my KS mail and want to plan my 2nd survey purchases.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: The Zee is for the rescue the dreadball MVP mission, some are going to use him as a rebel commander.
As an aside has anyone got a list of what was offered in the 1st Deadzone survey? I cannot find it in my KS mail and want to plan my 2nd survey purchases.
Everything was offered in the first an everything will be offered again in the second.
Except the 3rd party stuff like the Antenociti bits and pieces I believe they were first survey only. EDIT although update #100 seems to suggest otherwise
actually the more I look at the landing pad sprues the more im convinced you could make a cool monorail system for your board.
Tell me more!
il have to pick up some plastic rod bits to see if it'll work but yeah I think the landing pad supports would allow you to make some cool rail support pillars.
Bit of advise for anyone with a stuck connector, use another connector on the other side to push the stuck one out! Works v.well ive only broken one so far but that was due to me trying brute strength, not a good idea.
Ahh yes I've got my notification too. I have the feeling i've gone a bit overboard at 32lbs =/
It reads as fedex international priority which reads as 1-2-3 day shipping. May be getting this sooner than I expected, will have to watch for the actual ship notice.
Man, my 8 battlezones are getting me so excited now. Gonna have to go in for more terrain. I want enough for two 6x4 for 40k street fighting and enough for a heavily congested 4x4 "city" with multiple levels for infinity, necromunda, and deadzone.
I think my mars attacks pledge might end up having some of it converted into extra deadzone battlezone add-ons.
I'm putting some together now, following the 3d designs I put together during the kickstarter, will post some pics up when its done and time how long it takes from sprue clipping to complete board.
I think my first goal after I have enough set up to play regular deadzone is to make an attempt at a 2x2x2' "doom cube". I'm not exactly sure how to build it so it makes sense... but damned if I don't want to take heavy advantage of the vertical aspect of this game!
GrimDork wrote: Le sigh... Probably gonna need more fortification sprues before its over
Going need more of everything before its over!
looking through my figs looks like im down a pack of three plague troopers, not too bad considering how many packs ive got. Il give it a few more days before I contact Mantic just to make sure im not missing anything else.
Was thinking how cool it would have been if the secret weapon plastic board had the sprue connector holes on it so you could just plug the buildings straight onto the board.
Going to give a single piece a test spray in a bit to see how my colour scheme will look.
Automatically Appended Next Post: OOoh, speaking of which, any chance you could assemble the big crate and put it with the canisters and barrels next to one of the minis? Never have gotten a good sense of scale for those
GrimDork wrote: Just ten? I got 16 and I'm afraid I"ll want more!
Automatically Appended Next Post: OOoh, speaking of which, any chance you could assemble the big crate and put it with the canisters and barrels next to one of the minis? Never have gotten a good sense of scale for those
Currently ogling Miniature Market's black friday deals, some crazy cheap mantic stuff in there. The 5-pack of enforcers we're getting to hold us over are something like $8 over at 
