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Post by: Shandara
Any news is news!
Even if he personally thinks they are fake, that doesn't automatically make them fake. Time will tell.
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Post by: obsidianaura
 Shandara wrote:Any news is news!
Even if he personally thinks they are fake, that doesn't automatically make them fake. Time will tell.
Exactly, this is where information is pooled. He didn't make the rumors he just shared them.
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Post by: lordofthegophers
Bloodletter weapons have always been called Hellblades, why would they rename them to blood swords? That just seems completely uninspired. Bloodthirster regaining wounds on a 4+? 4+ FNP?
What absolute drivel. If these turn out to be true I will buy a collection of hats and eat them all one by one.
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Post by: Malthor
Weren't WHFB Demons an overpowered mess?
Maybe they are trying to one up themselves 
I'm interested how this turns out, I've been thinking about some allied demons for my CSM for some time now.
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Post by: Puscifer
In 2nd ed Bloodletters had regen. I could see something similar coming back.
As it stands, each troops choice needs to be unique.
Bloodletters are MEQ killers.
Plague Bearers are Tough objective keepers and can put some hurt on monsters.
Horrors are ranged.
Daemonettes are horde killers.
Now imo, I don't think a simple points reduction will suffice for some of these units. They need to be made more powerful like in the lore, but not op.
My solution would be...
Give Bloodletters AP2 weapons - it doesn't matter if they are AP2, considering they would have to get to combat first.
Give Plague Bearers a 4+ fnp save.
Make Horrors cheaper - I think they are good as they are.
Keep Daemonettes as they are - nothing wrong with them.
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Post by: schadenfreude
 Malthor wrote:Weren't WHFB Demons an overpowered mess?
Maybe they are trying to one up themselves
I'm interested how this turns out, I've been thinking about some allied demons for my CSM for some time now.
No
The codex creep was really bad in 7th ed fantasy, so bad 90% of a competitive tournament would be vampire or deamon players.
Deamons were so ridiculously overpowering in 7th ed that experienced players would refuse to play any deamon player including new players or 40k converts thinking of trying out fantasy with their 40k deamons.
As a result deamon sales were actually in the dump. They were a frustrating army to play in 40k, fantasy players would scorn deamon players as a no skilled hack, few players used deamons outside the tournament scene, and deamon tournament armies were one of the least expensive armies available in the game when it comes to giving gw money.
GW saw that the creep was killing the game, and the 8th ed rules brought overpowered armies down while buffing underpowered armies.
All hard backed 8th ed books have been very well balanced (by GW standards)
I don't see Deamons breaking the trend.
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Post by: Sasori
Bleh, every time this post gets bumped, I think we have pictures...
I'm also going to call baloney on those BloodThrister and GUO stats. They don't look right at all. Seems kind of strange that he posted it, after they "Were Confirmed" for release.
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Post by: schadenfreude
All I want for demonic troops is for pinkies to split into a pair of blues.
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Post by: Malthor
 schadenfreude wrote: Malthor wrote:Weren't WHFB Demons an overpowered mess?
Maybe they are trying to one up themselves
I'm interested how this turns out, I've been thinking about some allied demons for my CSM for some time now.
No
The codex creep was really bad in 7th ed fantasy, so bad 90% of a competitive tournament would be vampire or deamon players.
Deamons were so ridiculously overpowering in 7th ed that experienced players would refuse to play any deamon player including new players or 40k converts thinking of trying out fantasy with their 40k deamons.
As a result deamon sales were actually in the dump. They were a frustrating army to play in 40k, fantasy players would scorn deamon players as a no skilled hack, few players used deamons outside the tournament scene, and deamon tournament armies were one of the least expensive armies available in the game when it comes to giving gw money.
GW saw that the creep was killing the game, and the 8th ed rules brought overpowered armies down while buffing underpowered armies.
All hard backed 8th ed books have been very well balanced (by GW standards)
I don't see Deamons breaking the trend.
Thanks for the insight, I have almost no experience with WHFB, was just something I've heard.
Bleh, every time this post gets bumped, I think we have pictures...
Same here
Personally, I think the stats could be real, but all the special rules listed will be (if they exist at all in that form) buyable upgrades.
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Post by: RiTides
schadenfreude wrote: Malthor wrote:Weren't WHFB Demons an overpowered mess?
Maybe they are trying to one up themselves
I'm interested how this turns out, I've been thinking about some allied demons for my CSM for some time now.
No
The codex creep was really bad in 7th ed fantasy, so bad 90% of a competitive tournament would be vampire or deamon players.
Deamons were so ridiculously overpowering in 7th ed that experienced players would refuse to play any deamon player including new players or 40k converts thinking of trying out fantasy with their 40k deamons.
As a result deamon sales were actually in the dump. They were a frustrating army to play in 40k, fantasy players would scorn deamon players as a no skilled hack, few players used deamons outside the tournament scene, and deamon tournament armies were one of the least expensive armies available in the game when it comes to giving gw money.
GW saw that the creep was killing the game, and the 8th ed rules brought overpowered armies down while buffing underpowered armies.
All hard backed 8th ed books have been very well balanced (by GW standards)
I don't see Deamons breaking the trend.
This is a great post, and I think you're right... companies are forced to change when it affects their bottom line, and the dominance of Daemons in 7th ed was unmatched by anything I've seen in this hobby.
Also, shouldn't some country have a white dwarf by now 
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Post by: labmouse42
 lordofthegophers wrote:What absolute drivel. If these turn out to be true I will buy a collection of hats and eat them all one by one.
Mmmmm....hats
How about this collection?
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Post by: Killjoy00
Shandara wrote: Requiem wrote:Lol those had better be fake xD the BT is absolutely OP, while other units like bloodletters got hit with the nerf hammer again (ap4? seriously? now you can totally forget about bloodletters killing some marines if this is true)
Bloodletters also getting a 6+ save and 2 wounds. That's a pretty radical change.
Read the line again: 2 attacks, 1 wound. The 6+ save is true, but when will that ever matter with a 5++ (very rarely...)
loodletters: 14pts each
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
5 0 5 4 1 4 2 10 6+
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Post by: timetowaste85
sword of a thousand souls: 45pts
If this rumor is true (and I don't buy it), I hope Matt and Trey (South Park creators) sue GW over their theft of the Sword of a Thousand Truths.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Teaser trailers=Flashing seizure inducing concept art.
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Post by: eohall
As was pointed out elsewhere, some of the details (why specify the GUO sword as ap3 when all MC attacks are ap2) and the incredibly stupid names for powers and wargear, not to mention the OP stupidity of the rules, shows this to be so screamingly, obviously fake.
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Post by: labmouse42
Killjoy00 wrote:Read the line again: 2 attacks, 1 wound. The 6+ save is true, but when will that ever matter with a 5++ (very rarely...)
loodletters: 14pts each
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
5 0 5 4 1 4 2 10 6+
I really don't try and knee-jerk react, but if that rumor is true bloodletters will be complete garbage.
Seriously, 14 points for a 1 wound T4 model with a STR 5 AP4 weapon. Even with 4 attacks each on the charge, they just are way to fragile to justify that many points.
If they had 2 wounds, they would be decent, but without that their complete and utter garbage.
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Post by: Experiment 626
schadenfreude wrote: Malthor wrote:Weren't WHFB Demons an overpowered mess?
Maybe they are trying to one up themselves
I'm interested how this turns out, I've been thinking about some allied demons for my CSM for some time now.
No
The codex creep was really bad in 7th ed fantasy, so bad 90% of a competitive tournament would be Dark Elves or deamon players.
Deamons were so ridiculously overpowering in 7th ed that experienced players would refuse to play any deamon player including new players or 40k converts thinking of trying out fantasy with their 40k deamons.
As a result deamon sales were actually in the dump. They were a frustrating army to play in 40k, fantasy players would scorn deamon players as a no skilled hack, few players used deamons outside the tournament scene, and deamon tournament armies were one of the least expensive armies available in the game when it comes to giving gw money.
GW saw that the creep was killing the game, and the 8th ed rules brought overpowered armies down while buffing underpowered armies.
All hard backed 8th ed books have been very well balanced (by GW standards)
I don't see Deamons breaking the trend.
Fixed that for you!
Remember though, once the DE book hit, VC's got hosed by both them & Daemons and were left playing the invo-spam game to try and simply out last their opposition.
DE's on the other hand could actually go toe-to-toe with some competitive Daemon lists thanks to their ASF 'Shadestar' combined alongside dual undercosted Hydras + the 'unkillable Dreadlord' on his dark pegasus who'd hold up something nasty almost indefinately. (The Slaanesh Ld-bomb however was still 99.9% unbeatable except by other Daemons!)
WoC, Lizzies & Skaven also trumed VC towards the tail end of 7th edition as well.
These latest "rumors" are almost certainly just made-up gak by some troll with nothing better to do.
Unless GW were downright stupid enough to give the books back to Mr.Ward, I can't see Daemons becoming anything more than a strong middle-of-the-pack army like the new 8th VC's or DA's in 40k.
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Post by: Acardia
Well I am waiting with baited breath to see what is going to happen for my WFB DOC. As long as core units are still solid I'll be happy. I've been running with like 50% core amies and doing amazing.
The things that worries me the most are the changes to horror casting, and tzeentch herald MOS.
While an excellent valuie I've always felt that having a loremaster lvl 2 was a fair deal for not being able to get a lvl4 for under 550. If the greater Daemons come down in cost by 100+ points then it would change.
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Post by: Experiment 626
 Acardia wrote:Well I am waiting with baited breath to see what is going to happen for my WFB DOC. As long as core units are still solid I'll be happy. I've been running with like 50% core amies and doing amazing.
The things that worries me the most are the changes to horror casting, and tzeentch herald MOS.
While an excellent valuie I've always felt that having a loremaster lvl 2 was a fair deal for not being able to get a lvl4 for under 550. If the greater Daemons come down in cost by 100+ points then it would change.
I'm willing to bet that Master of Sorcery either goes up to 50+ pts, or else no longer grants outright 'Loremaster' but becomes just like the VC vampire power that gives access to a BRB lore.
I'd also be willing to bet that Daemon Princes will finally become viable choices too!
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Post by: Acardia
Experiment 626 wrote: Acardia wrote:Well I am waiting with baited breath to see what is going to happen for my WFB DOC. As long as core units are still solid I'll be happy. I've been running with like 50% core amies and doing amazing.
The things that worries me the most are the changes to horror casting, and tzeentch herald MOS.
While an excellent valuie I've always felt that having a loremaster lvl 2 was a fair deal for not being able to get a lvl4 for under 550. If the greater Daemons come down in cost by 100+ points then it would change.
I'm willing to bet that Master of Sorcery either goes up to 50+ pts, or else no longer grants outright 'Loremaster' but becomes just like the VC vampire power that gives access to a BRB lore.
I'd also be willing to bet that Daemon Princes will finally become viable choices too!
I'd think that tzeentch would get the lvl2 abulity to choose or loremaster for 50. Having loremaster and scroll was a bit over the top. Hope I can still take gifts and bsb.
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Post by: gorgon
 labmouse42 wrote:Killjoy00 wrote:Read the line again: 2 attacks, 1 wound. The 6+ save is true, but when will that ever matter with a 5++ (very rarely...)
loodletters: 14pts each
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
5 0 5 4 1 4 2 10 6+
I really don't try and knee-jerk react, but if that rumor is true bloodletters will be complete garbage.
Seriously, 14 points for a 1 wound T4 model with a STR 5 AP4 weapon. Even with 4 attacks each on the charge, they just are way to fragile to justify that many points.
If they had 2 wounds, they would be decent, but without that their complete and utter garbage.
When you run the numbers, they take a hit vs MEq, no doubt. Eight of the new ones tally almost 6 MEqs on the charge, compared to 7 of the old ones racking up over 9 on the charge. But versus GEq, the new ones score almost 18 kills on the charge versus less than 12 for the old. And S5/6 allows them to present more of a threat to higher Ts and AVs. So the rumored bloodletters seem to be designed to be more of an all-arounder than an elite anti- MEq unit. That statline might be good enough...the most important and unanswered question is how they'll get there.
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Post by: Sephyr
I don't buy the statlines. Having a FMC rocking a 2+ save in addition to so much other crap is a stretch.
The Troops statlines are also so bad it's painful. Two melee specialists without grenades, crappy saves, lackluster weapons, expected to slog openly across the board, more expensive than a DA tactical. If true, GW already deserves 2013's "Achivement in Trolling" award.
I wonder if they are going to be lazy and have Chaos Daemons and CSM share psychic tables, though.
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Post by: blood reaper
 Sephyr wrote:I wonder if they are going to be lazy and have Chaos Daemons and CSM share psychic tables, though.
The authour will probably rename them and rewrite the descriptions. They did it in the first Codex: Chaos Daemons.
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Post by: Experiment 626
Sephyr wrote:
I don't buy the statlines. Having a FMC rocking a 2+ save in addition to so much other crap is a stretch.
The Troops statlines are also so bad it's painful. Two melee specialists without grenades, crappy saves, lackluster weapons, expected to slog openly across the board, more expensive than a DA tactical. If true, GW already deserves 2013's "Achivement in Trolling" award.
I wonder if they are going to be lazy and have Chaos Daemons and CSM share psychic tables, though.
+1 to the Troops being awfultastic in these so-called "rumors".
Having to deploy normally means our 'Letters & 'Nettes won't likely see an assault until Turn 3. (Daemonettes could possibly assault Turn 2 if they got a lucky 'run' roll...)
At 14pts/model, you'd have to take a unit of 15-20 'Letters to have them survive slogging into the enemy's guns, meaning you're still going to spend 300 or so pts for a unit that'll get one charge off, (maybe), perhaps kill one unit and then get wiped by return fire.
Daemonettes will simply die even faster due to T3.
Daemon Troops have no transports and should be kept that way! But, without our Deep Strike deployment that makes-up for the lack of transports, our Troops would outright need to be priced down to GEQ Horde types to be even remotely viable.
As for the psychic powers/Daemonic Gifts...
H&H or Avian mentioned that Daemons share 1 power with CSM's per god discipline, but no word on if it's a strait copy-paste or simply a 'same name, slightly different effect'.
I only pray to lord Tzeentch that we keep Gift of Chaos!
Simply because I recently turned my buddy's Belial into a spawn and I've got a wickedly cool conversion in the planning stages to forever remind of it!
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Post by: Firstborn
I don't think Bloodletters will be AP4. It would be a bad joke, and they wouldn't even get played in fluffy games.
I am expecting an AP2 option on Bloodletters and Bloodcrushers.
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Post by: matphat
Experiment 626 wrote: Formosa wrote:The heralds are so cheap anyway I dont mind losing ew on them, I'm looking toward to rocking my slaanesh deamons again...please please give me some decent looking fiends though, there bloody awful looking
You could always try bitz ordering the current plastic steeds of slaanesh and slapping a pair of the chaos spawn crab claw arms onto them and then filing off the saddle?
This is what I did. They look pretty damn good.
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Post by: timetowaste85
 matphat wrote:Experiment 626 wrote: Formosa wrote:The heralds are so cheap anyway I dont mind losing ew on them, I'm looking toward to rocking my slaanesh deamons again...please please give me some decent looking fiends though, there bloody awful looking
You could always try bitz ordering the current plastic steeds of slaanesh and slapping a pair of the chaos spawn crab claw arms onto them and then filing off the saddle?
This is what I did. They look pretty damn good.
Can you show them off? I'm curious.
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Post by: matphat
Sure, I'll take some pics tonight and put them on the gallery.
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Post by: buddha
 timetowaste85 wrote:sword of a thousand souls: 45pts
If this rumor is true (and I don't buy it), I hope Matt and Trey (South Park creators) sue GW over their theft of the Sword of a Thousand Truths.
Ha totally thought the same thing when I saw the rumor post.
I too think these are fake with obvious mistakes like the GUO having an AP3 sword, 6+ saves, etc. I hear people calling these rumors as true because hey, who makes up things as detailed as stats? But I remember back in the blood angel rumor days people actually came out with a freakin 'leaked' dex so my BS meter is quite high with those actual stats posted.
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Post by: undertow
I too think the leak with the stats are fake, but I'll say this, if GW bumped the toughness of a GUO to 8, I would start using them.
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Post by: Leth
It seems interesting, however I think that GW has realized that anything that gives your opponent long term control over your models is generally hated. Mind in the machine and puppet master is just a shooting phase, nothing else so not biggie. But anything that makes you move is generally despised.
Interested in seeing everything in the context of the codex and how they will interact with Chaos marines.
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Post by: schadenfreude
Faeit 212 inbox wrote:
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via Matt (not his real name) from the Faeit 212 inbox
Now that GW have released their teaser trailer I can give you the big scoop of information I have been holding. This information has only been told to a view of us and you must realise that is why we had to wait for GW to make their move. So this is what I know in the way of rules, stats and points - their is a view upgrades but nothing to amazing.
I will start with the big daemons -
The bloodthirsters : 280pts
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
10 4 9 7 5 5 5 10 5+
Daemonic gifts: blood axe, armour of terror, whip of destruction
special rules: daemon, daemonic flight, furious charge, rage,blood without end
blood axe - user gains a previously lost wound he has lost earlier in game for every kill he makes on a 4+
armour of terror - user gains a 2+ save and 5+ invulnerable. The bearer gains a 4+ feel no pain if the weapons AP in lower than 3
whip of destruction - 12'' shooting attack - strength 8 AP 4 rending
daemon - see page 36
daemonic flight- see chaos special rules
furious charge & rage - rule book (P41&37)
blood without end- the bloodthirsters gain +d6 attacks on the charge and makes another strike at initiative step 1 for every wound he causes.
These extra strikes do not produce any further strikes.
Great unclean one : 260pts
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
5 4 6 8 6 1 4 10 6+
Daemonic gifts: plague sword of death, bloated body, aura of decay
special rules: daemon, slow and purposeful,my master gifts all,shrouded
plague sword of death - wounds everything on 2+ with an ap of 3 - turns characters into spawn
bloated body - the daemon has a 4+ armour save and a 3+ feel no pain on any weapon AP 5 or below.
aura of decay - the great unclean one has defensive and assault grenades and causes all enemy weapons to count as -1 strength (I believe this is ranged and
close combat)
daemon - page 36
slow and purposeful - page 42
shrouded- page 41
my master gifts all - pick an enemy and friendly unit at the beginning of the game. The enemy unit gains -1 toughness and strength while a friendly plaguebearers count as +1 strength and +1 to there feel no pain rolls.
troop units :
bloodletters: 14pts each
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
5 0 5 4 1 4 2 10 6+
daemonic gifts: blood swords (strength: user AP: 4)
special rules: daemon, furious charge,rage
unit type: infantry
Number/squad: 5-20
Daemonettes of slannesh: 12pts each
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
4 0 4 3 1 6 2 10 6+
Daemonic gifts: rending claws
special rules: fleet, make them suffer (+1 added to strength - already included)
Unit type: infantry
Number/squad: 5-15
Wargear:
tzeench gift of betrayal -50pts (one use)
pick an enemy independent character at random, that model or unit must pass a leadership test with a -4 penalty or be removed after being sucked into the warp for tzeench amusement, models from codex: space marine, dark angels,black templars,grey knights,space wolves,blood angels take a -2 penalty instead to represent their resistance from the dark gods temptations.
nurgle's blessing (30pts)
pick a nurgle unit in your army, that model/unit gains +1 to their feel no pain roll.
sword of a thousand souls: 45pts
the bearer must charge every enemy unit and must challenge but gain +2d6 extra attacks on the charge.
dance of death: 40pts
pick an enemy unit at the beginning of the game, that unit must roll a initiative test every turn of the game or is under the control of the daemon player. The unit under control may charge friendly models but cannot move off the board or into any piece of terrain that can cause hard to the model. If the enemy passes the initiative test more than three times during the battle then the dance has been removed for the remainder of the game.
Garbage & Tripe. I expect more from Faeit 212 It's either the product of an enthusiastic fanboy, arsonist troll, or a clever GW leak of mostly false information used to pump up curiosity in the community.
Bloodletters...half way believable. Take a unit of CSM zerkers, remove all special wargear, remove all ranged weapons, add the icon that gives rerolls to charge distances as a base ability, and swap power armor for a 5+ invo. Now ask how much would you pay for them?
Dance of death: Take that with every grain of sale mixed into the pacific ocean. As much fun as it would be to watch Immotekh get cut down by his own wraiths or having a fat unit of 30 boys run multiple grot artillery pieces and lootas off the field with a turn 1 charge I have to say no we don't get to auto win against orks and necrons.
GUO with t8 that's effectively t9 in cc that can drop a target unit's str for an effective t10....umm no. T8 crosses a major threshold where a mc is immune to s4 (bolters and meq cc attacks) GW only crossed that threshold 2 times since 3rd edition are the wraith lord and old school C`tan, and all trends indicate they are moving away from T8 units.
The next statement will seem sarcastic when it's not intended to be sarcastic. The blood thirster isn't that unbalanced. Repeat, that's not sarcasm. The deamonic gifts are not necessarily built in, and could cost hundreds of points. So it's really just +2 str and +1T with a -1 to it's invo for 30 points with t7 as only thing being aberrational for GW's current patterns. Fully upgraded it could cost 500 points, which leads me to believe the leak is fake. GW just doesn't make any money by making previously released MC the superawesomeuber units of 6th ed. Old blood thirster models that have been collecting dust for the last 15 years are now suddenly 1/3 of a 1,500 point competitive army. New players are going to buy single $60 to $80 model to fill 500 points instead of purchasing $200 to $250 in infantry to fill the same 500 point gap in their army. The current trend is GW wants to sell new models and hordes of infantry. The leak is 10 gallons of gak crammed into a 5 gallon bucket.
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Post by: Azreal13
I got as far as the GUO's 'Plague Sword Of Death' and got disappointed. Will it go with the BT's Blood Axe Of Death, the KOS's Naughty Whip Of Pleasure (and death) and the LoC's Change Staff of Confusion and Lies (and death?)
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Post by: Medium of Death
Still no leaked pictures? Madness!
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Post by: kronk
Yeah. Only 4 days from pre order and not a single leaked picture of the models or codex cover. Odd.
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Post by: CleverAntics
For some reason, if we lose EW, Daemonic Assault, etc...those GD stats wouldn't surprise me. They'd get absolutely trashed right now if they came out relatively the same and deploying normally.
If anything, I'm banking - and hoping - on similar or almost identical stats as presented. After all, the CSM DP got nice stat boosts and has made me optimistic for the GDs.
Bleh to everything else.
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Post by: Harriticus
 kronk wrote:Yeah. Only 4 days from pre order and not a single leaked picture of the models or codex cover. Odd.
The GW Stasi has been quite successful as of late on Cracking down on people who interfere with their baffingly stupid and juvenile secrecy policy
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Post by: BrassScorpion
baffingly stupid and juvenile secrecy policy
For the hundredth time at least posted on this forum, the secrecy policy was imposed as part of the licensing agreement between New Line Cinema and GW because New Line wants to control what and when imagery from their Hobbit movies is released. Second, the CEO of GW declared in a recent financial statement that their sales have actually increased since they've gone to previewing their new products only one week ahead of time. So while customers, myself included, may not enjoy the secrecy policy it is objectively speaking neither stupid nor baffling at this point.
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Post by: wuestenfux
kronk wrote:Yeah. Only 4 days from pre order and not a single leaked picture of the models or codex cover. Odd.
Pretty strange. GW's information policy is disgusting.
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Post by: pretre
 wuestenfux wrote: kronk wrote:Yeah. Only 4 days from pre order and not a single leaked picture of the models or codex cover. Odd.
Pretty strange. GW's information policy is disgusting.
Disgusting? Weird word for it.
Annoying?
Silly?
Counter-productive to our wants?
Sure, those all fit.
Disgusting?
Not sure how that fits.
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Post by: TzeentchNet
 BrassScorpion wrote:baffingly stupid and juvenile secrecy policy
Second, the CEO of GW declared in a recent financial statement that their sales have actually increased since they've gone to previewing their new products only one week ahead of time.
Sales increases are probably tied to the Hobbit license; it would be difficult, if not impossible, to quantify the effect of the new secrecy policy on sales right now. That said, it doesn't mean that GW isn't convinced that correlation (while ignoring other correlation) is causation.
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Post by: pretre
BoLS wrote:
40K: Codex Chaos Daemons $49.50
WFB: Daemons of Chaos Army Book $49.50
WFB: Chaos Daemons Battalion/Battleforce $115.00
WFB: Burning Chariot of Tzeentch $40.00
WFB: Plague Drones of Nurgle $60.00
WFB: Blood Throne of Khorne $40.00
WFB: Herald of Nurgle $25.00
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Post by: Kroothawk
Better discuss some real rumours:
Hitsugaya Toushiro over at Warseer wrote:from italian guy who have a warhammer shop (prices in Euros)
Army Book Chaos Daemons € 39,00
Codex Chaos Daemons € 39,00
Magic Cards 22 Battle Magic Cards € 8,50
Warhammer 40,000 Psyonic Powers 12 Psychic Cards € 6,00
Burning Chaoriot of Tzeentch/Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot of Tzeentch € 35,00
Plague Drones of Nurgle (in italian they are named Parassiti della Peste di Nurgle.....it's litterally translated in Plague Parasites of Nurgle) € 46,00
Blood Throne of Khorne/Skull Cannon of Khorne € 35,00
Heraldo of Nurgle 1 Fig Clampack € 20,00
Herald of Khorne 1 Fig Clampack € 20,00
Herald of Slaanesh 1 Fig Clampack € 20,00
Oops, that was a close Ninja 
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Post by: Sasori
 pretre wrote:BoLS wrote:
40K: Codex Chaos Daemons $49.50
WFB: Daemons of Chaos Army Book $49.50
WFB: Chaos Daemons Battalion/Battleforce $115.00
WFB: Burning Chariot of Tzeentch $40.00
WFB: Plague Drones of Nurgle $60.00
WFB: Blood Throne of Khorne $40.00
WFB: Herald of Nurgle $25.00
Those Plague Drones better be damn impressive....
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Post by: pretre
And mine is in real money!  Automatically Appended Next Post: And yours has more stuff on it.
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Post by: timetowaste85
And it looks like $25 is the standard for plastic heroes now. Well, didn't buy the WoC hero, won't buy the Daemon ones. Don't care how nice they are, $25 is too much for a man sized model on foot.
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Post by: Medium of Death
I have to agree that the prices for single characters has reached pretty damn silly levels of money.
kronk wrote:Yeah. Only 4 days from pre order and not a single leaked picture of the models or codex cover. Odd.
Very odd. I think the last few times leaked pictures have usually preceded the terrible teaser trailers. Wonder how they've managed to keep this so well locked down?
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Post by: Agamemnon2
BrassScorpion wrote:baffingly stupid and juvenile secrecy policy
For the hundredth time at least posted on this forum, the secrecy policy was imposed as part of the licensing agreement between New Line Cinema and GW because New Line wants to control what and when imagery from their Hobbit movies is released. Second, the CEO of GW declared in a recent financial statement that their sales have actually increased since they've gone to previewing their new products only one week ahead of time. So while customers, myself included, may not enjoy the secrecy policy it is objectively speaking neither stupid nor baffling at this point.
We're not "customers" any more. The wargaming community are like bronies: totally tangential to the main revenue stream. We don't matter to GW.
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Post by: Azreal13
timetowaste85 wrote:And it looks like $25 is the standard for plastic heroes now. Well, didn't buy the WoC hero, won't buy the Daemon ones. Don't care how nice they are, $25 is too much for a man sized model on foot.
Agreed. Unless its cast from liquid awesome there's sooo many modelling options for daemons out there from kit bashes or third parties, one can have an amazing looking army without buying the official minis.
Would it be bad form to link to another forum here on Dakka?
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Post by: pretre
Woah! Hold back there buddy and remember rule 1. No reason to insult us.
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Post by: wowsmash
What no $85 monstrous creature?
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Post by: Kroothawk
The four 150$ Greater Daemons are for a later release
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Post by: Acardia
So looks like book and magic cards for me at launch, I have two tzeentch chariots made already, they may need their paint upgraded since I painted them ages ago.
I have converted a cool herald except for slannesh, that really pops, so I'd look at that one first.
I refuse to play anything called a skull cannon, unless it has a spring involved that actually launches skulls.
That being said I'm going to do a nurgle version of it, call it the turd thrower, pus puker, duce dropper....
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Post by: pretre
Acardia wrote:That being said I'm going to do a nurgle version of it, call it the turd thrower, pus puker, duce dropper....
Ahh, to be 12 again...
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Post by: gorgon
Acardia wrote:I refuse to play anything called a skull cannon, unless it has a spring involved that actually launches skulls.
I'm guessing the basic concept derives from either the old cannon of khorne or the doom blaster?
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Post by: Experiment 626
CleverAntics wrote:For some reason, if we lose EW, Daemonic Assault, etc...those GD stats wouldn't surprise me. They'd get absolutely trashed right now if they came out relatively the same and deploying normally.
If anything, I'm banking - and hoping - on similar or almost identical stats as presented. After all, the CSM DP got nice stat boosts and has made me optimistic for the GDs.
Bleh to everything else.
No way the GUO becomes T8 for reasons already well discussed.
On the other hand, T6/W8-10 like his Fantasy counterpart would be great to see and would finally make him worthwhile!
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Post by: Sephyr
BrassScorpion wrote:Second, the CEO of GW declared in a recent financial statement that their sales have actually increased since they've gone to previewing their new products only one week ahead of time. So while customers, myself included, may not enjoy the secrecy policy it is objectively speaking neither stupid nor baffling at this point.
It's far from a sure thing that sales increases have been the result of their tight-lipped release strategy. It could easily have beendue to increased awareness due to DoW games, club growth, people returning to the hobby due to new codexes.
It's a staple CEO trick to link anything good to their latest management shift, though. "Profits are up 3% since we implemented my policy of treating out customers like north korean spies! Those two facts are obviously related. Now if only you gentlemen of the board vote for my initiative to print all books in invisible ink and then sell decoder rings for a premium to our thrlass, we'll corner the market in no time!"
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Post by: Hulksmash
Hmmm...chariots cost more than the slaanesh one. Glad I got all of thsoe I'll need as they'll likely match the increase come this years price hike. I'm kinda excited about the chariots and book. Definitely on the line for the book and cards at release. Followed up by possibly the chariots and plague flys. Daemons are one of the armies I can paint with an airbrush and don't get tired of adding too. Especially now that it's almost entirely plastic.
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Post by: Cyvash
The prices on the nerw stuff seems reasonable. SInce the two chariots are dual kits comming with extra bits. im assuming the plauge drones are definatly some sort of skimmer 3 pack.
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Post by: Experiment 626
 Hulksmash wrote:Hmmm...chariots cost more than the slaanesh one. Glad I got all of thsoe I'll need as they'll likely match the increase come this years price hike. I'm kinda excited about the chariots and book. Definitely on the line for the book and cards at release. Followed up by possibly the chariots and plague flys. Daemons are one of the armies I can paint with an airbrush and don't get tired of adding too. Especially now that it's almost entirely plastic.
I'm betting there's more components to these new chariots, (since both boxes have multiple options instead of needing x2 to make the Exalted build), AND that both of these are far more survivable than the Slaaneshii "I can be like Dark Eldar tin-foil too!" chariots.
If there's no new daemon engine/s in this new codex, then I'll probably just go ahead and get a Soul Grinder before it gets the inevitable price hike...
Gonna be an expensive March that's for sure!
Army Book + Codex
Both sets of cards
Soul Grinder
Khorne chariot/cannon
Tzeentch Burning chariot provided it's not horrid looking
Yep, looks like my wallet is about to commit suicide on me!
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Post by: Hulksmash
To be fair the Slaanesh is a dual kit as well. It's the standard chariot and the FA choice fleshrender which nobody used because of the new screamers. But yeah, it's probably lighter and costs less points than the new ones.
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Post by: Cyvash
Hulksmash wrote:To be fair the Slaanesh is a dual kit as well. It's the standard chariot and the FA choice fleshrender which nobody used because of the new screamers. But yeah, it's probably lighter and costs less points than the new ones.
ANd its increadably awkward to deepstrike a squadon of them. I like mine.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Is it confirmed that they are not redoing the Greater Daemons?
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Post by: Hulksmash
Deepstriking them is fun. I enjoy dropping 9 on my opponents and then turbo-boosting to spread out and prepare to bring the pain
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Post by: kronk
They don't seem to be on the initial release list, but that doesn't mean they won't do them in the future.
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Post by: kenshin620
Really hope plastic GD are on their way
EVEN IF they have a price of $85 or so! I want to see some friggin new sculpts. Sure I wont buy them but at least I'll have something more modern to look at
Also
Cannon of khorne? Oh my.....
GW sure does love bringing back old memories these days
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Post by: kronk
WTF?
That's ugly.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
The Red Age is come again!!
/Begins wailing and gnashing teeth.
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Post by: pretre
I remember that thing!
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Post by: Cyvash
Oh my.... though since it's khorne i'm guessing the bs skill won't be that good.
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Post by: kronk
Is that the original "Angry Marine Launcher"?
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Post by: catharsix
 kenshin620 wrote:Really hope plastic GD are on their way
EVEN IF they have a price of $85 or so! I want to see some friggin new sculpts. Sure I wont buy them but at least I'll have something more modern to look at
If the Bloothirster is in fact being sculpted by Jes the Great, then it *MIGHT* justify a price in excess of $50. But I'm working on a conversion from a Daemon Prince anyway...
-C6
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Faeit 212 inbox wrote:
The bloodthirsters : 280pts
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
10 4 9 7 5 5 5 10 5+
Daemonic gifts: blood axe, armour of terror, whip of destruction
special rules: daemon, daemonic flight, furious charge, rage,blood without end
blood axe - user gains a previously lost wound he has lost earlier in game for every kill he makes on a 4+
armour of terror - user gains a 2+ save and 5+ invulnerable. The bearer gains a 4+ feel no pain if the weapons AP in lower than 3
whip of destruction - 12'' shooting attack - strength 8 AP 4 rending
daemon - see page 36
daemonic flight- see chaos special rules
furious charge & rage - rule book (P41&37)
blood without end- the bloodthirsters gain +d6 attacks on the charge and makes another strike at initiative step 1 for every wound he causes.
These extra strikes do not produce any further strikes.
I don't personally see this as being that different from the Swarmlord. In fact, I believe the Swarmlord would take his lunch money, even if you didn't factor in Psychic Powers(although that might be a little biased on my part  ) Of course, it would depend on who got the charge, and if Tyrant Guard are involved... But otherwise, I'm not seeing these as being that ridiculous. And no assault grenades on an assault unit isn't that surprising, if you use the Tyranid codex for reference.
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Post by: Rakarsis
New model pictures posted... tbh not really impressed. Plague drones look like flying elephants out of Dr. Seuss.
http://plastickrak.blogspot.co.nz/
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Post by: gregor_xenos
Well.... nothing I really want. The rules better be great if they want me to buy these.
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Post by: undertow
I was really hoping for plastic GDs this wave, but I understand releasing stuff for units that have no models.
I think I'm going to wait on seeing the rules before buying anything.
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Post by: Eldarain
Wow, I was semi-excited to add a Daemon contingent to my CSM... At least if I do I can stick to older cheaper models.
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
Oh dear god, my eyes!
I would like to thank the miniature sculptors at GW for stopping me from giving GW money.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Ye gods this new stuff is dire.
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Post by: Azreal13
They are simply awful! Barely anything there I'd think about maybe buying.
What's this the 4th underwhelming release in a row?
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Post by: timetowaste85
Wow...um, no thanks. Not a big fan of these. That Khorne chariot looks ridiculous, as does the cannon. Nurgle flies are pretty uninspiring, and the Nurgle herald is too skinny. About the only model I like is the Khorne Herald...but I can get a cooler one from Avatars of War for $5 less. No thanks on this entire release...and Daemons are my favorite army.
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Post by: Eldarain
timetowaste85 wrote:
Wow...um, no thanks. Not a big fan of these. That Khorne chariot looks ridiculous, as does the cannon. Nurgle flies are pretty uninspiring, and the Nurgle herald is too skinny. About the only model I like is the Khorne Herald...but I can get a cooler one from Avatars of War for $5 less. No thanks on this entire release...and Daemons are my favorite army.
Yeah, I have disliked many of the recent releases, but there is almost nothing redeeming here at all. And some of them are downright embarrassing. How any one signed off on the drones or most of the chariots, especially the flaming derp one is beyond me.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Well, okay, the Slaanesh one isn't bad either, but you'd have to remove the head. Body is cool. And I do like the Khorne Herald. A lot. But the price makes me consider other options. Maybe with a 25% discount I'll talk myself into those 2 heralds...maybe.
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Post by: blood reaper
Oh my god....
These are just.....sweet Mary, Jospeh and Jesus these are just awful.
Look at the Herald of Khornes face, look at it. Look into those eyes. I bet you can't without dying a little bit inside.
And the Blood cannon...oh god the Blood cannon.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I think if we get to see them in the raw without the pretty basic paint they may end up looking more appealing,
especially the Nurgle Flys & Khorne Cannon
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Post by: Rakarsis
 Eldarain wrote:
Yeah, I have disliked many of the recent releases, but there is almost nothing redeeming here at all. And some of them are downright embarrassing. How any one signed off on the drones or most of the chariots, especially the flaming derp one is beyond me.
Agreed tenfold. I was so excited to get some new daemon models, but these are horrible.
GW needs to spend at least 5 minutes getting feedback from customers before releasing crap like this.
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Post by: kenshin620
 Rakarsis wrote:
GW needs to spend at least 5 minutes getting feedback from customers
I'd be amazed if they spent 1 millisecond thinking about the customers other than their money
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Post by: Azreal13
Fortunately, my plan has always been to use many non- GW centrepiece models as possible.
I found this thread very useful, I suspect others will now too..
http://z7.invisionfree.com/wyrmling_x/index.php?showtopic=9270&st=0
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Post by: Experiment 626
Well, at least the 'Eavy Metal Team maintains their consistant standard of choosing the absolute most gaky colour schemes possible...
...And the photography is a crap as ever!
I like the Slaanesh Herald, and while he's not obese or anything, that Nurgle Herald is pleasently disgusting in a good way!
I think there's a good basis for conversion on the chariot Tzherald - just add bit to make it more like a proper looking chariot instead of a a dude surfing a giant flaming frizzbe! 
That Khornate monstrosity though? Small photo makes it look stupid. Better photos likely won't help (much) and when/if I see the actual model in person, it will probably still look like an utter mess... 
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
This, ladies and gents, is the end result of ignoring your customers, refusing previewing or feedback and working in a vacuum.
I give you the Blood Throne of Khorne...
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Post by: matphat
The nice thing about these are that I'm low enough on funds to have taken a second to look, and will have at least two months to think, before I make a decision. Right now however, those tiny pics look as bad as the CSM release. Seems I'm probably safe from giving GW any more cash.
=D
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Post by: RazakelXIII
I must be seeing completely different models here. The Khorne stuff is metal as hell, the Tzeentch stuff is pretty much exactly what I'd expected and the Nurgle flies are just hilarious enough to make up for the ugly. My only problems with this release are the prices of the Heralds and the fact that they're holding back the Greater Daemons.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Oh dear hahaha, the heralds look cool but literally wtf to all those kits
I mean was is even the khorne throne supposed to be/do? The face on the cannon is hilarious
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Post by: timetowaste85
One more addendum: Tzeentch chariot will probably look cooler after seeing the model itself. It doesn't look too bad by image, but I'm not sure yet. The flaming flamer wagon sucks horribly though. Those flames don't even look like fire-they look like somebody took 5 minutes to greenstuff it and throw it in a mold.
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Post by: RatBot
Uh, wow. The Tzeentch Chariot with the Herald is pretty good. The Bloodthrone is OK. Everything else is extremely "meh", except the Drones, which are so freaking awful that I kind of like them ironically, and the Burning Chariot, which is so bad that it's... bad.
The Nurgle Herald is actually quite good, though, IMO.
Overall, yet another swing and a miss.
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Post by: Azreal13
 RazakelXIII wrote:I must be seeing completely different models here. The Khorne stuff is metal as hell, the Tzeentch stuff is pretty much exactly what I'd expected and the Nurgle flies are just hilarious enough to make up for the ugly. My only problems with this release are the prices of the Heralds and the fact that they're holding back the Greater Daemons.
Shoulda gone to Specsavers!
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Post by: Sasori
These pictures look pretty terrible.
Howeever, it could be a case like with the WoC release, where more pictures, really improved it.
The Heralds are all well done, and I think the Tzeentch Chariot isn't to bad.
The Blight Drones though, dear god....
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Post by: Puscifer
These are as bad as the Beastmen range.
Nope, I will not be parting with my money this time.
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Post by: thisisnotpancho
Seriously and thoroughouly disappointed here with these models... The flies look like bloated elephants and the cannon has ABSOLUTELY no place in a 40k verse. Even if it's daemonic...
Alll of the models look so cartoonish it's hard to get past that to take them at face value. I mean GW had so much to work with. Make them daemonic and horrifying, not something you would see out of a children's book.
Looks like I'm going to be doing a lot of converting in the next month or so.
Hope the codex won't match the silliness of these sculpts...
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Post by: Sirius42
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:This, ladies and gents, is the end result of ignoring your customers, refusing previewing or feedback and working in a vacuum.
I give you the Blood Throne of Khorne...
Or khorne mower if you will :p
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Post by: Medium of Death
I asked for pictures, but not like this... NOT LIKE THIS! 
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Post by: timetowaste85
Thanks for dooming all of us! Good job. Thank God I have old Chaos chariots that I can add Juggernauts to to make chariots...
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Post by: schadenfreude
The blight drones are terrible, until you imagine them without the riders. Without the riders they are just bloated elephant flies, and look pretty nurgle. They are going to look absolutely awful fully assembled in the hands of a novice player, but I actually think they will look good with the riders removed in the hands of a skilled painter.
Remember how the stats of Slaneesh chariots rocked but they are very difficult to use because of deep strike rules? With normal deployment that problem's gone, and I have the feeling the Tzeentch/Khorne chariots are going to be just as good. I'm also now even more confident the previously leaked greater deamon stats are a hoax or wildly inaccurate. Giant 400 point MC for $50 doesn't make as much money for GW as a 35 point chariot costing $30.
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On the flamer chariot. If regular flamers get nerfed like everyone says they are going to there will be plenty of unloved orphan flamers around waiting for a new loving home on top of a Tzeentch chariot. Just use the Tzeentch chariot build instead, leave the herald off, and attach 2 or 3 regular flamers on top.
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Post by: El_Capitan
Guys, I have a piece of concept art here, but I wasn't able to show you guys until the trailer was released for reasons best kept secret. You saw it here first.
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Post by: DiabolicAl
Ye Gods.....
They have actually left a bad taste in my mouth they are that awful.
A new low...
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Im pretty underwhelemed, i *might* buy some minis if the rules make up for the suck.
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Post by: VorpalBunny74
Skull Cannon of Khorne? I thought Khorne wanted to keep all his skulls?
Best not to imagine what a Slaanesh cannon would fire.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
*sigh*
I've spent the past couple of moments trying to think of some pithy or witty comment to denigrate these new Codex aemon models, but as it turns out I can't. Nothing I could say could really encapsulate my sheer disappointment in how they look.
The Khorne Chariot... isn't a Chariot. It's a rickshaw. Why the feth are Bloodletters pulling it?
The Khorne Cannon is tiny and pathetic.
The Flamer Chariot has way too much gak going on.
The Nurgle Herald is awful.
The Slaaneshi Herald is appalling.
And then there are those Nurgle Drones. What... what were they thinking? This is Pumbagore-level bad. Even the Chibi-Hawk and Space-Guppy have redeeming features... but these Drones are just a blight, if you'll excuse the pun, on the 40K range. Who approved these?
The Khornate Herald is pretty lazy, but passable, and I think the Tzeentch Chariot might work... but this is a bad release. A very, very bad release.
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Post by: Swara
I guess I'm a minority, but I really like the flys and the Nurgle herald. A bit goofy, but that's how Nurgle rolls.
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Post by: thisisnotpancho
 Swara wrote:I guess I'm a minority, but I really like the flys and the Nurgle herald. A bit goofy, but that's how Nurgle rolls.
I would like to like the new nurgle style, but i just can't seem to get into it.
They seem too jolly to be daemons from the warp that are supposed to invoke fear in the hearts of everyone. Just look at the forgeworld GUO and he is appropriately daemonic. Sure he might be considered "jolly" but it's not at the cost of the scariness and daemonic look... Now the GW nurgle line looks like a bunch of germs from a Mr. Clean Commercial or something of the sort.
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Post by: Experiment 626
 VorpalBunny74 wrote:Skull Cannon of Khorne? I thought Khorne wanted to keep all his skulls?
Best not to imagine what a Slaanesh cannon would fire.
Hmmmmm... Money shots? At Sisters?!!
Re Tzeentch chariot: I plan to add the front bit of a High Elf chariot to it and move those front spikes/blades to the sides & back. Make it look more chariot-like and less like a floating frizzbe.
The Burning Chariot w/giant Flamer simply has about the worst colour scheme one could ever dream-up. Someone needs to remind the 'Eavy Metal Team that Daemon do not mean etheral VC wanna-be's.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Judging from the large areas of white and the text around it, these are taken from a WD, which shows that the WD team still really don't get photography. Bad lighting and background colours that obscure detail... guys get a day-lamp and a blue/white gradient background so we can see the damn things.
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Post by: Swara
thisisnotpancho wrote: Swara wrote:I guess I'm a minority, but I really like the flys and the Nurgle herald. A bit goofy, but that's how Nurgle rolls.
I would like to like the new nurgle style, but i just can't seem to get into it.
They seem too jolly to be daemons from the warp that are supposed to invoke fear in the hearts of everyone. Just look at the forgeworld GUO and he is appropriately daemonic. Sure he might be considered "jolly" but it's not at the cost of the scariness and daemonic look... Now the GW nurgle line looks like a bunch of germs from a Mr. Clean Commercial or something of the sort.
I think with some head swaps and greenstuff on the head of the flies they will look a lot better as well. I'm sure I'll have fun Nurglizing them further.
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Post by: Qcbob
Sigh.... i should have sold my mono-khorne army a while ago, while miniatures were stunning... now who want a mono-khorne army with a an awful steampunk throne.. i want BLOOD and SKULL... at least the herald is epic.
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Post by: hubcap
Well that was disappointing.
The blight drones... the Marauder Hellstriders...the OK Mournfangs...the Khemri Necropolis Knights...all of these seem to have been sculpted by people who have heard about a man riding a horse, but never actually seen it. All of those kits just look like man-size things standing on big things. No dynamics or sense of motion. What a waste of a great concept.
As for the Khorne chariot...I guess the Blood God is now killing 'em with laughter.
These last releases have just been a dog's breakfast. No unifying look, just tons of ridiculous gimmicks and gewgaws piled on one another while ignoring basic anatomy, proportion and motion.
There is a creeping quality control failure at GW. You cannot charge premium prices when so many of your figures look...well, look like this.
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Post by: Young_Logan
The nurgle herald isn't to bad IMO, the drones, i expected something more akin to the current blight drones, looks like i wont be able to get cheap ones any time soon, ah well...
Herald on chariot for tzeentch is fair as is the khorne herald, everything else as previously stated is just to cheesy for deamons, and whats with all the faux fire and smoke stuff GW is doing these days, it just doesnt look good on most things other than the screaming bell imo again
Young Logan
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Post by: MetalOxide
wow, I know these are small blurry images, but what I have been able to make out looks horrible. It's as though GW are deliberately creating bad sculpts because they know that veteran gamers usually have more of an eye for quality rather than their new demographic, the kids starting out in the hobby.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Must be the 6th month in a row with Dakka not impressed by GW's main release:
October: CSM (Dinobots, Dracobots, Maulers)
November: Warriors of Chaos (Shrine, copypaste riders, red Hulk)
December: Hobbit
January: Dark Angels (Storm Talon deluxe, Speeder deluxe)
February: Warriors of Chaos (bigger red hulk, prancing Dragon Ogres, bland chariot, troll deluxe)
That's what happens when the sales department rules the design department: Designs go down and sales go down. 
Can't wait for the next annual business report.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Well I've seen the pics, and although in general I try to stay positive, I just wanted to do the whole 'Really? = lower tone and repeat' thing Miz does on WWE for each pic as I scrolled down. The plague flies are possibly some of the worst GW models ever in my mind, and the flaming chariot looks awful, well it does with that paint job at least.
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
Personaly i like the Khorne Throne, for once we are far from the outdated "chariot pulled by X creatures" thing, something new that fits Khorne's, a Deamon Engine, a Trike of Doom from Hell!
Also HBMC the Bloodletters arn't pulling it, they are standing on the "bumper".
 Kroothawk wrote:Must be the 6th month in a row with Dakka not impressed by GW's main release:
October: CSM (Dinobots, Dracobots, Maulers)
November: Warriors of Chaos (Shrine, copypaste riders, red Hulk)
December: Hobbit
January: Dark Angels (Storm Talon deluxe, Speeder deluxe)
February: Warriors of Chaos (bigger red hulk, prancing Dragon Ogres, bland chariot, troll deluxe)
That's what happens when the sales department rules the design department: Designs go down and sales go down.
Can't wait for the next annual business report.
Or maybe thats what happens when players becomes real Divas and are too lazy to use their hands to convert?..., don't like the stuff?, make the stuff yourself, thats my motto, there is waaaaay enough models and bits out there to make your own, the most important is if the rules will be worth the effort, and thats what i'm waiting to see.
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Post by: puma713
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Khorne Chariot... isn't a Chariot. It's a rickshaw. Why the feth are Bloodletters pulling it?
Not to say I disagree with your evaluation, but in this particular case, it appears as though the bloodletters are standing atop the chariot, not necessarily pulling it. So, it is just driven by sheer force of the Blood God.
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Post by: DiabolicAl
 Slayer le boucher wrote:Personaly i like the Khorne Throne, for once we are far from the outdated "chariot pulled by X creatures" thing, something new that fits Khorne's, a Deamon Engine, a Trike of Doom from Hell!
Also HBMC the Bloodletters arn't pulling it, they are standing on the "bumper".
Kroothawk wrote:Must be the 6th month in a row with Dakka not impressed by GW's main release:
October: CSM (Dinobots, Dracobots, Maulers)
November: Warriors of Chaos (Shrine, copypaste riders, red Hulk)
December: Hobbit
January: Dark Angels (Storm Talon deluxe, Speeder deluxe)
February: Warriors of Chaos (bigger red hulk, prancing Dragon Ogres, bland chariot, troll deluxe)
That's what happens when the sales department rules the design department: Designs go down and sales go down.
Can't wait for the next annual business report.
Or maybe thats what happens when players becomes real Divas and are too lazy to use their hands to convert?..., don't like the stuff?, make the stuff yourself, thats my motto, there is waaaaay enough models and bits out there to make your own, the most important is if the rules will be worth the effort, and thats what i'm waiting to see.
I should not have to pay extortionate prices for  models that i have to then convert to make them look half decent.
There are several other manufacturers making GW look like amateurs atm. They get my money instead.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
 puma713 wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Khorne Chariot... isn't a Chariot. It's a rickshaw. Why the feth are Bloodletters pulling it?
Not to say I disagree with your evaluation, but in this particular case, it appears as though the bloodletters are standing atop the chariot, not necessarily pulling it. So, it is just driven by sheer force of the Blood God.
Nope, there is a little outboard engine on the back.
Toot, toot!!!
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Post by: WarOne
puma713 wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote: The Khorne Chariot... isn't a Chariot. It's a rickshaw. Why the feth are Bloodletters pulling it?
Not to say I disagree with your evaluation, but in this particular case, it appears as though the bloodletters are standing atop the chariot, not necessarily pulling it. So, it is just driven by sheer force of the Blood God.
I hear it only takes Premium Unleaded Blood with an Immaterium mandated minimum 15% ethanol mix... With the price of virgins, unborn babies, and corn rising, I wouldn't want to have to take that to work every day.
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Post by: Ouze
Why are GW's sculpts increasing awful? It used to be that they were all awesome, and - like they couldn't help it - one sculpt would be pure ass. But, that's OK, the rest was sweet!
Lately though, I dunno - maybe starting with the Storm Talon, or maybe before that - the sculpts are just increasingly butt to the point that we have this release, and they're pretty much all butt.
How does this happen? Is it just perception? Honest question. Are we just getting older and our tastes refined, or are they indeed just increasingly awful? Because, I mean, I look back at that Dark Eldar release, and the Necrons, and the Grey Knights, and it's just hard to believe it's the same company. That burning chariot thing looks like a big lump of blue-green coral with some 40k bits glued onto it, ffs.
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Post by: Swara
 DiabolicAl wrote: Slayer le boucher wrote:Personaly i like the Khorne Throne, for once we are far from the outdated "chariot pulled by X creatures" thing, something new that fits Khorne's, a Deamon Engine, a Trike of Doom from Hell!
Also HBMC the Bloodletters arn't pulling it, they are standing on the "bumper".
Kroothawk wrote:Must be the 6th month in a row with Dakka not impressed by GW's main release:
October: CSM (Dinobots, Dracobots, Maulers)
November: Warriors of Chaos (Shrine, copypaste riders, red Hulk)
December: Hobbit
January: Dark Angels (Storm Talon deluxe, Speeder deluxe)
February: Warriors of Chaos (bigger red hulk, prancing Dragon Ogres, bland chariot, troll deluxe)
That's what happens when the sales department rules the design department: Designs go down and sales go down.
Can't wait for the next annual business report.
Or maybe thats what happens when players becomes real Divas and are too lazy to use their hands to convert?..., don't like the stuff?, make the stuff yourself, thats my motto, there is waaaaay enough models and bits out there to make your own, the most important is if the rules will be worth the effort, and thats what i'm waiting to see.
I should not have to pay extortionate prices for models that i have to then convert to make them look half decent.
There are several other manufacturers making GW look like amateurs atm. They get my money instead.
That's pretty much what he said to do..
Don't like them don't buy them. Lot's of stand ins for Daemons. Probably the best and easiest army to be creative with.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Is it just me (as a not Chaos player), or are the "impressive" character models for daemons indeed difficult to distinguish from bog standard troopers (except that they cost 4 times as much)? And except the flies, everything else looks like lazy copypaste designs from existing stuff.
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Post by: Agent_Tremolo
The heralds aren't quite bad, but honestly, those chariots look like something out of the Wacky Races.
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Post by: Swara
Kroothawk wrote:Is it just me (as a not Chaos player), or are the "impressive" character models for daemons indeed difficult to distinguish from bog standard troopers (except that they cost 4 times as much)? And except the flies, everything else looks like lazy copypaste designs from existing stuff.
I have to agree on the heralds. Though they look good, they will blend it a little more than they should. I think I'll have to do some drastic color change on them to make them pop.
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Post by: DiabolicAl
Swara wrote: DiabolicAl wrote: Slayer le boucher wrote:Personaly i like the Khorne Throne, for once we are far from the outdated "chariot pulled by X creatures" thing, something new that fits Khorne's, a Deamon Engine, a Trike of Doom from Hell!
Also HBMC the Bloodletters arn't pulling it, they are standing on the "bumper".
Kroothawk wrote:Must be the 6th month in a row with Dakka not impressed by GW's main release:
October: CSM (Dinobots, Dracobots, Maulers)
November: Warriors of Chaos (Shrine, copypaste riders, red Hulk)
December: Hobbit
January: Dark Angels (Storm Talon deluxe, Speeder deluxe)
February: Warriors of Chaos (bigger red hulk, prancing Dragon Ogres, bland chariot, troll deluxe)
That's what happens when the sales department rules the design department: Designs go down and sales go down.
Can't wait for the next annual business report.
Or maybe thats what happens when players becomes real Divas and are too lazy to use their hands to convert?..., don't like the stuff?, make the stuff yourself, thats my motto, there is waaaaay enough models and bits out there to make your own, the most important is if the rules will be worth the effort, and thats what i'm waiting to see.
I should not have to pay extortionate prices for models that i have to then convert to make them look half decent.
There are several other manufacturers making GW look like amateurs atm. They get my money instead.
That's pretty much what he said to do..
Don't like them don't buy them. Lot's of stand ins for Daemons. Probably the best and easiest army to be creative with.
Aaah, totally misread. My bad. In that case i totally agree. Saw the WOC release... laughed a bit then bought Darklands Ysians instead.... 
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Post by: puma713
MeanGreenStompa wrote: puma713 wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Khorne Chariot... isn't a Chariot. It's a rickshaw. Why the feth are Bloodletters pulling it?
Not to say I disagree with your evaluation, but in this particular case, it appears as though the bloodletters are standing atop the chariot, not necessarily pulling it. So, it is just driven by sheer force of the Blood God.
Nope, there is a little outboard engine on the back.
Toot, toot!!!
Ha! There is.
"And the next float in the Games Workshop's Thanksgiving Day Parade. . .the Bloodletters of Khorne!"
*musical steam popping and tooting out of the exhaust pipes*
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Post by: Moopy
Burning Chariot of Tzeentch = Ah, now I know where all those plastic trees went to.
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Post by: Acardia
Tz chariot- I like but have 2 of my own so maybe not buy.
Khorne what ever. um no. I'll convert my own.
Winged Plague walruses.- I kinda like, but I kinda loathe... um
Khorne Herald, cool but no need.
Nurgle herald, meh but no need.
Slannesh herald. I really like the sculpt. I could demote my currently herald to a champ...
Preorder book, magic, slannesh herald for sure. Will read book to make decisions further.
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Post by: tinfoil
 Agent_Tremolo wrote:The heralds aren't quite bad, but honestly, those chariots look like something out of the Wacky Races.
This! This this this!
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Post by: Harriticus
The Heralds all look fine, but the "Chariots" all look god-awful. GW doesn't seem able to design cool looking models anymore.
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Post by: Formosa
The chariots look weird and warped, kinda....deamonic....holy crap thats how there supposed to look...wow I seem to be the only one who has noticed, better not tell anyone that heralds are are only slightly more powerful versions of the basic warriors...otherwise they may work out why they look similar..
Ok sarcasm aside, wait untill you see the models properly untill you all claim they suck, the new da speeder looks great in person and naff in the gw pic.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I think the only truly horrible standout is the Khorne chariots right now. If it had just been pulled by juggers it would have been awesome. The Tzeentch ones will probably be fine in person. The heralds are alright. And I kinda like the plague flys, but I like Mournfangs and Necropolis Knights to so I'm part of the problem.
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Post by: nels1031
I kind of like the Khorne chariot, reminds me of a warped Can-am Spyder, if it has 1 big wheel in the back and 2 small up front, I can't really tell. The flamer just has too much flame and a poor color scheme. The Tzeentch Herald chariot is exactly what I though it would be. The Drones I hope have different head options, as the proboscis looks goofy.
The heralds look all pretty good, but boo on 2 of them being finecast.
The books, magic cards are all I'll be picking up this release.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Agent_Tremolo wrote:The heralds aren't quite bad, but honestly, those chariots look like something out of the Wacky Races.
Khorne Kart Racing? And Khorne uses the Tuk-Tuk of Rage?
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Post by: Goresaw
The first thing I thought of when I saw the Khornicycle was Bad to the Bone.
Wait, sorry, I just thought about Bu-bu-bu-baaaad. Not so much the bone thing.
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Post by: Blood Angel 17
I think that the plague flies would be awesome if they had heads that resembled the fly head from the plaguebearers, but instead they had elephants trunks.
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Post by: Agent_Tremolo
H.B.M.C. wrote: Agent_Tremolo wrote:The heralds aren't quite bad, but honestly, those chariots look like something out of the Wacky Races.
Khorne Kart Racing? And Khorne uses the Tuk-Tuk of Rage?
You can even toss turtle shells SKULLS at your foes, so yes
On the plus side, I'm eagerly awaiting the return of leather-clad dwarf bikers and limo-riding genestealer cultists. Come on, GW, you're out of excuses now...
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Post by: Kirasu
So instead of new greater demons that would surely sell.. we get chariots that invoke more head scratching than actual sales.
Wish I could say I'm surprised.
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Post by: balsak_da_mighty
I am not sure what GW was thinking with these models. They are aweful.
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Post by: Savageconvoy
How is that a "burning" chariot when it seems to be covered in seaweed?
The heralds look ok. I really can't wait to see the chariouts in person to see if they really look that bad up close.
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Post by: Firstborn
H.B.M.C. wrote: Agent_Tremolo wrote:The heralds aren't quite bad, but honestly, those chariots look like something out of the Wacky Races.
Khorne Kart Racing? And Khorne uses the Tuk-Tuk of Rage?
The bitching and complaining of a large population of the folks on dakka never cease's to amaze me.
One day it is prices, the next day it is corporate policies, than it's whining over codex's.
Today we get a bunch of very small leaked pictures, followed by a chorus of 90% bitching and complaining.
If you don't like the hobby products or the company; GTFO. You won't, because you realize 40K is the pinnacle of the wargaming hobby.
I bet all of these models will be killer when seen in person & painted to a nice standard.
Or go play WH\Hordes. The models and game system over there are spectacular! (like comparing a Honda to a Mercedes).
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Post by: Commander Cain
I kinda like the Tzeench thing, not the one that is shooting trees but the other version is good. Everything else is either meh or makes me chuckle (looking at you plague flies!)
Well guess this stops my plans to get a mini daemons army. Might have another looks at the Crocodile games creatures, would make a great Egypt themed force...
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Post by: d-usa
Everytime I look at my GW armies and realize that I have not played 40K since May of last year and Fantasy since June of last year I get a little sad.
And then GW makes me feel a little better. I wouldn't even mind the prices that much if I felt I was getting quality to back it up. But I have to agree that this release just makes me scratch my head.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Firstborn you have too much faith in the minis. The last few waves of min .releases have been every bit as bad and uninspired as the leaked photos, though there were a couple decent releases hidden.in there.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Firstborn wrote:... 40K is the pinnacle of the wargaming hobby.
...
Or go play WH\Hordes. The models and game system over there are spectacular! (like comparing a Honda to a Mercedes).
Are you for real? If so, then this might just be the funniest post of the year. And you were the first person to mention Warmahordes. Insecure/projecting much?
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Oh wait was he being sarcastic? I thought he meant the warmahordes minis.were mercedes to GWs Honda...
Dreamforge games will.be the pinnacle of the hobby soon, of that I am certain.
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Post by: Firstborn
chaos0xomega wrote:Firstborn you have too much faith in the minis. The last few waves of min .releases have been every bit as bad and uninspired as the leaked photos, though there were a couple decent releases hidden.in there.
If you are referring to the Chaos Space Marine miniatures, you are mistaken.
The Heldrake, Chosen, new Lord, new Sorcerer, Raptors, and Cultists were all killer. The Heldrake is one of my favorite models in the game.
The only models in the entire release that I don't care for model or rules wise are the mutilators. Not enough for me to start bitching and complaining.
I wouldn't leave for that WH\Hordes crap if PP gave me a free, pro-painted army.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
The Dark Vengeance Chosen, Lord, and Cultists were great, too bad none are multipose plastics or available in a format other than that set... the rest of the minis were pretty meh, the heldrake s pretty meh otherwise, i call it the iron butterfly., if it had a longer tail or was stretched out a bit more itd have been great.
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Post by: Laughing Man
Does the front of the skull cannon remind anyone else of this?
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Post by: Kingsley
The Heralds look great, including the Tzeentch Herald on Chariot, but the rest of these models are a bit of a miss for me.
While I like what they're going for with the Flamer chariot and know it will look great when painted by the truly skilled, I generally think that flames, smoke, and similar "effects" should be left off models simply because these effects are very difficult for most people to make look good. Have I seen these effects used well? Definitely. But they require a really high level of control, technique, and attention to detail to really ace and for that reason they make painting a model much more difficult than it would be otherwise. I'd prefer such effects be optional rather than a core element of the model.
The Plague Drones would be awesome without riders, but unfortunately the riders look very silly. Hopefully they will be easy to remove.
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Post by: RatBot
I can see how maybe the seaweed chariot might be better with a different paintjob, but the elephant flies? No. Even without the riders.
Pretty much everything GW has put out since Dark Vengeance has been mediocre at best, except for the Dark Angel Deathwing kit.
"Pinnacle of the wargaming hobby" indeed.
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Post by: Firstborn
H.B.M.C. wrote:Firstborn wrote:... 40K is the pinnacle of the wargaming hobby.
...
Or go play WH\Hordes. The models and game system over there are spectacular! (like comparing a Honda to a Mercedes).
Are you for real? If so, then this might just be the funniest post of the year. And you were the first person to mention Warmahordes. Insecure/projecting much?
Where is your weekly post trying to be funny about " GW Skulls". I haven't seen it yet, but I am sure it is coming.
Why don't you go back to playing DOW or WH\Hordes, instead of bitching about GW's models?
You want me to be blunt, I will: WH\Hordes is a "poor man's" 40K. Quite frankly, I think it is poop.
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Post by: SagesStone
That Slaanesh herald kind of looks familiar.
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Post by: zachwho
I'm hoping that with the removal of demonic assault we will getkind of demon horde feel to them....
Oh excited i am!!!
Fast demon horde..... To much wish listing???
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Post by: jah-joshua
well, i like PP's aesthetic a lot...
i also like a lot of what GW does...
it doesn't have to be one against the other, since they are totally different...
i like the Herald of Khorne, and the Herald of Slannesh, from this release...
the rest are not doing it for me, though i like that the Herald of Nurgle is plastic...
what i don't like, is Finecast and restic, so neither company gets my money at the moment, except for metals and plastics...
hopefully the two Heralds listed as Finecast are really plastic...
why do one in plastic, and not the other two???
strange...
cheers
jah
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Post by: DiabolicAl
 Ehsteve wrote:[Go look up the sheer wall of editorial mistakes in the $83, 104 page rulebook, alongside recycled artwork in the Dark Angels Codex.
Not just Artwork, also fluff ( The Asmodai piece is from 2nd Edition)
Plus some of the new artwork was hideous. Being in colour actually works against it.
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Post by: Nightwolf829
Yeah, I have played it. I would rather remove a hemroid with a heated pair of tongs than go thru it any further.
The models are meh, I hate the way the game plays, the steampunk background doesn't do it for me, and I don't like PP for several reasons. It is an inferior game to 40K on many different levels. You realistically can't even compare the 2 systems.
WH\Hordes fans that try to tell you the system is supremely balanced, are snorting pewter lines. The game is no more balanced than 40K, in fact, I would argue with the extreme complexity\abilities of all the different units,
is more unbalanced.
EDITED: I noticed you asked me about PP "Games" in general. While I think WM\Hordes is a waste of time (you are better off sticking with 40K), I do own and love Monsterpocalypse. In fact, I have virtually every Monsterpocalypse miniature ever made.
PP has treated the game in the same manner GW has treated it's specialist games. But it is an awesome game, and I will never sell it.
Firstborn: This is completely uncalled for. There was no mention of Privateer Press until you brought it up. If I did not know any better I would say you are purposely trying to turn this thread into a flame-war. This is a thread for people to discuss the News and Rumors in regards to the Chaos Daemons eventual release. If you do not cease and desist and return to topic I will contact a moderator.
That said; please tell me why you think the models are good? What is positive about them? Argue your points logically and people will tend to follow. Be courteous though and remember that others will differ in their opinion. This is normal.
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Post by: puma713
You guys realize you can play both Warmahordes and 40K, if you so wish? I have a feeling that come the summer price hikes over at GW, the Exodus will continue, however.
On topic: Most of these are 'meh'. None of them are awesome. I was seriously taken aback when I saw models like the Necrosphinx/Warsphinx, the Flyrant and the whole line of DE.
These just seem like another Deamon wave. Ho hum.
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Post by: Laughing Man
Nightwolf829 wrote:That said; please tell me why you think the models are good? What is positive about them? Argue your points logically and people will tend to follow. Be courteous though and remember that others will differ in their opinion. This is normal.
The Skull Cannon is obviously the best, because it has a piranha plant!
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Post by: RatBot
I am not going to tolerate the GW bitching and complaining. If you don't like GW products\company, as I said, GTFO. You can go complain about GW in a rant forum or somewhere else.
How dare people voice dissenting opinions about a wargames company on a wargames forum! The nerve! The gall! The gumption!
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Post by: Savageconvoy
Firstborn wrote:
The models: Honestly, I don't know yet. Because, those pictures don't do them justice. They are extremely small and were captured with poor lighting. I want to see some full size pictures and look at the range as a whole.
My "sense", I love the new Khorne Chariots and all of the heralds. I think they are awesome. The nurgle fly riders and Khorne cannon I am "neutral" on, until I can see some better pictures\angles.
The pictures were captured in poor lighting? From the company's own marketing department? The ones that are supposed to make them appear from the best angle and best light to promote sales? These are probably the best you'll get, size won't really help cover up those flaws.
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Post by: Firstborn
 Savageconvoy wrote:Firstborn wrote:
The models: Honestly, I don't know yet. Because, those pictures don't do them justice. They are extremely small and were captured with poor lighting. I want to see some full size pictures and look at the range as a whole.
My "sense", I love the new Khorne Chariots and all of the heralds. I think they are awesome. The nurgle fly riders and Khorne cannon I am "neutral" on, until I can see some better pictures\angles.
The pictures were captured in poor lighting? From the company's own marketing department? The ones that are supposed to make them appear from the best angle and best light to promote sales? These are probably the best you'll get, size won't really help cover up those flaws.
Harharharhar Those little JPEGS are the best we will get? Are you kidding me?
You can't even really see the nurgle fly riders in those pictures. Give me a break.
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Post by: Fayric
Hm, some of the models look ok, and some look uninspired, and some I just pray will look compleatly different in real life (as many of the "really bad stuff" lately have, IMO).
But these models look like the new rules will be interresting. The throne of blood looks immovable and perhaps ad some great perks to Letters instead of OP the actual unit stats/wargear (it might have Epidemus qualities even, just think about it). Plague jetbikes will most likely be useful (as most new jetbikes lately are).
And I wonder, can the front head of the skull cannon fire anything; if not, its a really stupid model.
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Post by: DiabolicAl
Had another look at the models to see if i can find anything nice to say about them,
Slaanesh herald/Cheerleader - Awful pose. stupid hair. Sculpt is otherwise competent. 2 Dimensional and flat
Khorne Herald -Ok Pose. Again very flat. Will disappear in a unit.
Nurgle Herald - Fails to be better than the champion out of the plastic unit. Would need to see better angles but seems to be better of the bunch of characters
Tzeenctch Chariot - Its ok. Seems to work on most levels. The picture is too small to make out much but there seems to be something wrong with the rider.
Tzeentch Kelpmobile - Awful. bad paint Fairly sure that model is unsalvagable. Just really horrible.
Khorne Blood throne - The best thing i can say about it is it looks quirky in a RT kind of way. Very awkward, will need to see better pics but looks porr.
Khorne Cannon - More of the same. Quirky and mental but doesnt really scream carnage and blood to me.
Nurgle plague drones. - Beyond redemption, all they had to do was copy Adrian Smiths artwork and if might have been ok. The riders look ridiculous and the mounts are blocky and horrifically designed. They actually look like Bagpipes.
Not good enough. I hope the mooted plastic GD are better.
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Post by: Blitza da warboy
And that is your opinion. Not a fact, like the way you are treating it so. Remember Opinion doesnt = fact! :-D
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Post by: Savageconvoy
Firstborn wrote:
Harharharhar Those little JPEGS are the best we will get? Are you kidding me?
You can't even really see the nurgle fly riders in those pictures. Give me a break.
I'm not sure how you're having trouble seeing the pictures. Yes they are small, but the human eye is pretty good at understanding even low resolution images. The pictures are small, but still show enough to know the model is bad. Are you honestly defending the silly look of the kelp-wagon, the khorne big wheel, or the... Well I can't think of anything for the flies. They just look bad. When bigger pictures pop up, it'll just be the same ugly on a larger scale.
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Post by: lennymaybe
I don't mind the Slaanesh herald, although as others have pointed out she probably won't stand out on the tabletop as much as she probably should.
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Post by: Ouze
Indeed, I finally picked up one of those Lords on ebay the other day. It's a triumph of the hobby, and I wish they could sustain those levels of creativity. I especially love the antlers\horns.
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
I am totally unimpressed with the slaanesh herald...
the khorne one looks boss, though.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
What is this I don't even...???  
Firstborn wrote:Where is your weekly post trying to be funny about " GW Skulls". I haven't seen it yet, but I am sure it is coming.
Why don't you go back to playing DOW or WH\Hordes, instead of bitching about GW's models?
You want me to be blunt, I will: WH\Hordes is a "poor man's" 40K. Quite frankly, I think it is poop.
1. Kroot and Kyoto have the skull joke market covered. I leave it to them.
2. I don't play Warmahordes. I never have. The aesthetic never appealed that much to me. But really none of that matters, because the first (and only) person to bring up Warmahordes in this thread was you. That, to me, sounds like you've just got some half-arsed axe to grind against the game. I don't really like it, but you don't see me bringing it up every 10 seconds. And what have you got against Dawn of War (I haven't played it in about 2 years, and I've never played DoWII)?
3. Ok... great? What has this got to do with a seriously poor showing of the new Daemon releases?
You're... a very strange person. I actually don't think you're trolling. I believe that you believe all the silly nonsense you're spouting, and that's kinda scary.
And tragic.
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Post by: Hulksmash
@savageconvoy
Models have been much better in hand than presented with White Dwarf photos. The WD department is pretty horrible at taking pictures for their models. Been that way for 4 releases now (CSM, DA, WoC, and now Daemons). I'll reserve judgement until I see them in person or get better photos ala the GW site itself.
@firstborn
Dude, I love GW but you need to scale it back. Welcome to Dakka where it's cool to hate on GW. Just let it ride. And definitely don't start ripping on other games in a GW thread. It's petty and silly.
I'm not a fan of PP's aesthetic so I've never played the game. I do however have a ton of Sedition Wars stuff for jumping into that universe, enjoy a large collection of X-Wing miniatures, a Federated States fleet for Dystopian Wars, and will likely pick up some of the new Warzone models not to mention my giant walkers from Dream Forge. You can enjoy GW while enjoying other games. It's not all or nothing.
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Post by: Leth
I like the new models, and in general everything I see people complaining about online they tend to look awesome in person. In general even the haters tend to like them once they are seen in person.
Now obviously there are exceptions but I would recommend holding off on solidifying opinions until some more detailed pictures are seen from different angles.
Still if you hate it that is fine. but if you could keep the insults of people who may enjoy it to a minimum that would be much appreciated. Things like "Only a blind idiot would like this" or "What kind of dumbass would spend money on this stuff"
Know I am going to get flamed for this but figured I would try anyway.
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
One thing I know for certain, though, is that I will be buying everything from the US/UK as normal
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Post by: Vetric
 Leth wrote:Still if you hate it that is fine. but if you could keep the insults of people who may enjoy it to a minimum that would be much appreciated. Things like "Only a blind idiot would like this" or "What kind of dumbass would spend money on this stuff"
Know I am going to get flamed for this but figured I would try anyway.
Someone probably will take you up on that, but not me. I agree. It's not a race for 'most over the top statement of dislike'. If someone doesn't like them, cool. No worries. Say so. Doesn't have to include a debate on artistic or modelling merit if they don't like . Even just a "I know what I likes, and this isn't it."
As it happens, I'm not really liking what I've seen so far for this release. It just doesn't work for me, yet. I know I shouldn't expect Forgeworld Plague Drones, but that's kind of what I was thinking for those Plague riders.
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Post by: wickedcarrot
Plastic Nurgle Herald is full of win!
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Post by: Laughing Man
Vetric wrote: Leth wrote:Still if you hate it that is fine. but if you could keep the insults of people who may enjoy it to a minimum that would be much appreciated. Things like "Only a blind idiot would like this" or "What kind of dumbass would spend money on this stuff"
Know I am going to get flamed for this but figured I would try anyway.
Someone probably will take you up on that, but not me. I agree. It's not a race for 'most over the top statement of dislike'. If someone doesn't like them, cool. No worries. Say so. Doesn't have to include a debate on artistic or modelling merit if they don't like . Even just a "I know what I likes, and this isn't it."
As it happens, I'm not really liking what I've seen so far for this release. It just doesn't work for me, yet. I know I shouldn't expect Forgeworld Plague Drones, but that's kind of what I was thinking for those Plague riders.
Especially when they kept the same name, yeah. I wanted corroded Fallout rejects, dammit. :(
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Post by: Vetric
 Laughing Man wrote:Vetric wrote: Leth wrote:Still if you hate it that is fine. but if you could keep the insults of people who may enjoy it to a minimum that would be much appreciated. Things like "Only a blind idiot would like this" or "What kind of dumbass would spend money on this stuff"
Know I am going to get flamed for this but figured I would try anyway.
Someone probably will take you up on that, but not me. I agree. It's not a race for 'most over the top statement of dislike'. If someone doesn't like them, cool. No worries. Say so. Doesn't have to include a debate on artistic or modelling merit if they don't like . Even just a "I know what I likes, and this isn't it."
As it happens, I'm not really liking what I've seen so far for this release. It just doesn't work for me, yet. I know I shouldn't expect Forgeworld Plague Drones, but that's kind of what I was thinking for those Plague riders.
Especially when they kept the same name, yeah. I wanted corroded Fallout rejects, dammit. :(
They really made me think of the first Anthony Reynolds Word Bearers books. The part told from the perspective of the enforcer who gets enslaved and forced to help build the giant spire.
Still, I have hope the new range will be more appealing in real life than in those particular pics
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Post by: eohall
I get where everyone is coming from on the hate for these. I was initially disappointed too.
But then I realized with a bit of time that I really like them for two big reasons:
1. They embody the playful and humorous spirit of classic late eighties GW
2. They look like Ian Miller art come to life.
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Post by: notprop
Bollox!
I couldn't beat the old Chaos Demons, it would appear I have no chance now!
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Post by: reds8n
If we can please stick to the topic at hand rather than a ABC is better/worse than XYZ please.
Thanks.
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Post by: Puscifer
 eohall wrote:I get where everyone is coming from on the hate for these. I was initially disappointed too.
But then I realized with a bit of time that I really like them for two big reasons:
1. They embody the playful and humorous spirit of classic late eighties GW
2. They look like Ian Miller art come to life.
1) I didn't see that until you said it and I totally agree.
2) I was thinking John Blanche myself. Hell, add a couple of flying skulls to the Khorne stuff and it'll look great. Automatically Appended Next Post: After you pointing this out, they don't seem too bad.
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Post by: Onion_Knight
I have been lurking on dakka for about four years now...these models have finally inspired me to make an account and add my voice to the choir, such was the emotion they stirred in me.
They are ATROCIOUS. As in "blight against humanity," eldritch horrors, madness-inducing, destroyers of the spirit of humanity. This is coming from someone who has been a GW fanboy for nigh over a decade...what were they thinking? We know they are capable of making amazing miniatures, and now we get these...these...abominations. The khorne chariot looks like a happy meal toy. The chariot with the flamer on top looks more like it's spouting a row of trees than a tide of warp flame.
the nurgle herald looks inferior to what you can make from the (excellent) plastic box imo. why not give us the greater daemons everyone wants?
If you like these models, I am happy for you. But this to me is probably one of the worst GW releases since the Beastmen.
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Post by: Slaanesh-Devotee
I think the drones look kinda cool, I like the slightly manic idea of them. However, I will admit it is the conceit I like more than the models themselves necessarily.
I like the heralds too, though the chariots aren't so interesting to me. The seaweed covered Tzeentch chariot looks utterly bizarre, and no not in a 'it looks that way because they are unimaginable daemons' way. Just a simple bad idea way.
When they say daemon armies will be on the board turn one, I hope there will be an option for them to be summoned as allies to my CSM, otherwise I will be thoroughly disappointed...
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Post by: Formosa
The chariots look like things.of a heavy metal album cover, especially the khorne one, I dont understand the whining
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
@formosa no whining from me, I think they look cack and I'm happy about it. Means more of my hobby budget will go to other manufacturers rather than be wasted on these.
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Post by: Dundas
I agree that a lot of the recent models looks a lot better in real life than in the pictures. In particular I hated the dinobots and chaos flyer when I saw the pics, but having seen people play them on the tabletop they're growing on me.
I'm curious as to whether people that play WHFB like the models any better than the WH40K crowd? I really don't like the idea of Chariots in 40k, it's just a bit daft, but can see them fitting in with fantasy much better.
Not sure why they do all the flames though; I don't think I've ever seen model flames that look particularly realistic, and that paintjob does them no favours.
Hoping the nurgle drones have alternative head options because other than the elephant trunks (yes, I know they're meant to be a fly proboscis) I quite like the models. The FW Blight Drones look much better though, could see their sales going up if they're a good unit in the new codex...
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
I'm glad that the only slaanesh model in this release is but-ugly... means all I need is the codex and MAYBE the psychic power cards... for the moment
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Post by: Formosa
I'm willing to bet pennies to pounds when that tzeench chariot gets into the hands of a competent painter, those flames will look bad ass, as it stands now, eavy metal is getting worse and worse...or I'm getting better and noticing more of there mistakes...dunno
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
Nope, they are getting worse...
that may be a bit harsh... The ones who's work we see often are getting worse...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Formosa wrote:I'm willing to bet pennies to pounds when that tzeench chariot gets into the hands of a competent painter, those flames will look bad ass
Not if the conservationists get hold of it first. No way they're going to let paint and glue near that much coral. Natural reefs need to be looked after!
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Post by: Grimtuff
H.B.M.C. wrote: Formosa wrote:I'm willing to bet pennies to pounds when that tzeench chariot gets into the hands of a competent painter, those flames will look bad ass
Not if the conservationists get hold of it first. No way they're going to let paint and glue near that much coral. Natural reefs need to be looked after!
Gah! Now I can't unsee that. It's firing coral...
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Post by: Kroothawk
Moopy wrote:Burning Chariot of Tzeentch = Ah, now I know where all those plastic trees went to.
Savageconvoy wrote:How is that a "burning" chariot when it seems to be covered in seaweed?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Kroot and Kyoto have the skull joke market covered. I leave it to them.
Here are some alternative riders for the burning Chariot of Tzeentch, as a free download:
Here a better pic of the Nurgle drones:
@Firstborn: There was unanimous praise here on Dakka for the Dark Eldar release, a release where Jez Goodwin had almost 100% control. There was almost unanimous praise here on Dakka for the Chosen and Dreadnought in the 40k starter. It is not true that we bitch at everything. But price hikes of 30-50% and uninspired copypaste sculpts deserve and get some negative comments here.
As said, I am not a Chaos player, like many people. Weird that GW has chosen to do 4 out of 6 months Chaos only releases, with only Dark Angels and an unpopular Hobbit game thrown in. Cheap half year for me, cheap half year for most of us, waiting for the official numbers in the annual business report now.
Oh, and here some rules tidbits by the Plastic Krak blog, the provider of the pics:
http://plastickrak.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/some-whfb-daemon-rules-updates.html
Some WHFB Daemon rules updates
Some little bits of information I have gathered
Bloodletters of Khorne are now strength 4, with special rules MR1, Scaly skin 6+, Daemonic and Daemon of Khorne. They have the daemonic gift Hellblade.... 14 points
I cant see any reference to killing blow but that dosnt mean they loose it as the sword may grant it.
Pink Horrors stats stay the same, special rules are Daemonic, Daemon of Tzeentch, Blue horrors of Tzeentch, and a unit counts as a level 1 caster.... 13 points
Yay Blue horrors of Tzeentch. No idea how it works but yay!
Plaugebearers are strength 4 Toughness 4, have the Daemonic gift plaguesword, and are Daemons of Nurgle, and Daemonic.... 13 points
Daemonettes get 2 attacks, and become Daemons of Slannesh + Daemonic for 11 points
Bloodcrushers are now special, 3+ a unit, the jugger mounts get toughness 4 and 3 wounds like the WOC ones, and are 65 points. With the scaly skin rules Daemons now have a 3+ 5++ save monstrous cav option!
Flamers appear to have the same stats as the WD rules, and are 40 points. Special rules flames of Tzeentch, Daemons of Tzeentch, Warpflame, Daemonic and skirmishers.
There appears to be an option to upgrade a unit of Plaguebearers to have regenerate, and another option that if you score any roll of 6 to hit with a poisonattack, an additional strength 4 hit is made. Another option is upgrading poison to 5+
Oh, and natfka posted another anonymous rumour, that the previous anonymous rumours posted by him were fake.
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Post by: obsidianaura
Hey look its all the miniatures for the last codex finally arriving as the codex becomes obsolete!
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Post by: Cre5po
Does anyone know the UK prices of each model? Unfortunately my phone will only show me a thumbnail of each image and I've only just noticed someone saying the euro / dollar prices
From a thumbnail view they look okay, famous last words for the real thing then
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Post by: Young_Logan
Puscifer wrote: eohall wrote:I get where everyone is coming from on the hate for these. I was initially disappointed too.
But then I realized with a bit of time that I really like them for two big reasons:
1. They embody the playful and humorous spirit of classic late eighties GW
2. They look like Ian Miller art come to life.
1) I didn't see that until you said it and I totally agree.
2) I was thinking John Blanche myself. Hell, add a couple of flying skulls to the Khorne stuff and it'll look great.
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After you pointing this out, they don't seem too bad.
I agree even though earlier I said other wise, i'm not back tracking just saying i'm seeing more merits here and there. What got me was that i've been with GW for nearly 10 years now and i've enjoyed the trip, yet i'm now worried that the hobby i've loved is changing faster than i'd like it to. Recently my FLGS became one of these five days a week and no open gaming which disapointed me but they are now running an evening leaugue which is fun for everyone.
I just get the impression that a lot of what people are calling anit- GW is less because we hate the company although there is some of that, but because the hobby has gone in a direction we don't like and don't want to loose it, well thats what i'm seeing atm, maybe you guys disagree, so sorry in advance for all of those i offend, lets hope next month brings something the community enjoys and give the deamons a chance, the rules may yet redeem then still, they may still have a fighting chance
Young Logan
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Post by: BryllCream
The models look fine. No idea what the whining is about.
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Post by: labmouse42
 MetalOxide wrote:wow, I know these are small blurry images, but what I have been able to make out looks horrible. It's as though GW are deliberately creating bad sculpts because they know that veteran gamers usually have more of an eye for quality rather than their new demographic, the kids starting out in the hobby.
Na, I think they are trying to convince people not to play daemons.
Seriously, I like the heralds. I think the nurgle one is very cool too.
I dig the flamer chariots, both with and without the herald. I've always been a big fan of the look of fire.
The khorne chariots are ... underwhelming at best. If the rules are awesome, i will be scratch building some. Maybe use some marauders instead of bloodletters as the minions pushing it. The cannon.....hmmm....that will take work. Maybe take an kornify (is that a word?) an empire steam tank?
The nurgle bloat flies are also extremely dissapointing. Time to start looking for 3rd party models.
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Post by: SagesStone
Or they got a new sculptor and just don't care as long as they get it done.
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Post by: Enceladus
Oh dear. These models are horrible :-(
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Post by: TBD
The Tzeentch Herald on Disc looks alright, and the Khorne Herald on foot is ok too (although very boring and unimaginative), but the rest of those models I honestly wouldn't even want if I got them for free
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Post by: Agent_Tremolo
Hey, never said I hated them. I just think they are silly as feth, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Actually, my main gripe with them is the "Parade Float" style which, while entirely at home in WHFB, doesn't quite belong to 40k.
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Post by: labmouse42
Agent_Tremolo wrote:Hey, never said I hated them. I just think they are silly as feth, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Actually, my main gripe with them is the "Parade Float" style which, while entirely at home in WHFB, doesn't quite belong to 40k.
I think you hit on something here. Daemons are one of the armies that needs to be playable in both WHFB and W40k. A style that looks good in one might not in the other.
Also, WHFB models are constrained by having to fit in a unit. The heralds can't expand much past their base, lest they be unable to fit into a rank and file army. In 40k, you can have your models in dramatic poses reaching past your base.
That does not excuse the khorne chariots or nurgle bloatflies. Those models are aweful.
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Post by: MandalorynOranj
I actually really like the Tzeentch herald chariot, although the Flamer one does look awful. I play mono-Tzeentch, so this is a 50/50 for me.
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Post by: Flashman
First impressions (before I read other people's )...
Not overly taken with most of this. Models continue to be "busy" and "toy like". The giant flies are ok, but got bored of "monstrous cavalry for every army!" sometime last year.
The one thing I really like is the plastic Nurgle Herald and I may have to buy him 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Wow. Just wow.
In two sentences you dismiss everything said against these models, reduce it to 'whining', and state your own opinion as fact.
The Blue Knight strikes again...
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Post by: bubber
I think the price for the Nurgle Herald might be wrong - all the other plastic charaters are way cheaper & I can't see why plastic & finecast should be the same price (ie as for the other 2 heralds).
hard to judge as I pay in £s!
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Also hope the plague drone saddles are take-off-able as I would like to use them as blight drones.
Also might put the herald on my scratch-built blight drone (with magnets)
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Post by: Grimtuff
 bubber wrote:I think the price for the Nurgle Herald might be wrong - all the other plastic charaters are way cheaper & I can't see why plastic & finecast should be the same price (ie as for the other 2 heralds).
hard to judge as I pay in £s!
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Also hope the plague drone saddles are take-off-able as I would like to use them as blight drones.
Also might put the herald on my scratch-built blight drone (with magnets)
Plastic Chaos Lord released last month is the same price. I'd expect the rest of the plastic characters to go up in the summer too.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
I don't like the drones, they look way too silly but then again, Nurgle is the Chaos God with more "humour". Those nurglings were always doing humorous things.
I think I also agree with most people when I say the Khorne throne / cannon are awful. Khorne should be more brutal, with gore, skulls, bones, stuff that implies living things died with violence. Those things are ... weird. Just, weird. Reminds me more of random chaos mutations instead of a specific Khorne unit.
The others look ok except for one, the herald of Slaanesh. Anything slaanesh related today is HORRIBLE. Those are the demons supposed to turn me on while being impaled by them!? I can't believe how horrible they look. I understand the 2nd edition demonettes aren't that "family friendly" nowadays (Oh no, they look like topless elves with a scythe arm, oh no, the boobies! Corrupting our young one's minds!) but still, just, UGLY.
I hope one day to have a "fluffy" CSM Slaanesh based army and I'm certainly going to use ragingheroes models. Their "Preying Mantis" models are what I think look like Deamonettes.
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Post by: MetalOxide
I think that we are being too quick to judge. I'm personally going to wait til I get to see the minis in the flesh as well as look at the sprues before I make up my mind on them.
If I had to make opinions based only on the pictures, I'd say that the Nurgle flies, the heralds and the tzeench chariot are not too shabby. Not sure about the khorne chariot/cannon thing, but the pictures are too small and of a low quality to really see any details.
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Post by: Xeriapt
The Khorne chariots have potential I think, Ill pass on the other stuff.
All I want from this is the rules really.
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Post by: buckero0
Well, none of the deamons to date have been anything great to look at, which is why I've always converted mine out of beastmen or lizardmen or anything else. (screamers are okay I guess) I can't see myself purchasing any of these models. I hope the books annd rules are playable.
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Post by: Meade
sigh, well I guess the codex I bought to ally in daemons after sixth is invalidated now... and to use my force I'd need to get another book.
At first glance, I think most of these new releases are much the same as the new chaos releases, there are specific bits that might be cool or useable once they get broken down by bits sellers, but the model kit itself could be so much better than what they made. Compared to the soul grinder kit... my standard of an awesome chaos daemons kit.... these kits kind of suck.
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Post by: Smashotron
See pics of new models, my face when: 
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Post by: kronk
I like the Tzeentch stuff.
Not a fan of those Nurgle Flies.
Don't like ANY of the Khorne stuff.
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Post by: Meade
It also seems like they are going further down the road of, cartoony kits that look more at home in fantasy or warmachine than 40k. Did they not get the memo that their fantasy game is not as popular as their sci-fi game? No good.
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Post by: WarOne
kronk wrote:I like the Tzeentch stuff.
Not a fan of those Nurgle Flies.
Don't like ANY of the Khorne stuff.
The Blight Drones from FW look much better!
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Post by: gorgon
Vetric wrote: Leth wrote:Still if you hate it that is fine. but if you could keep the insults of people who may enjoy it to a minimum that would be much appreciated. Things like "Only a blind idiot would like this" or "What kind of dumbass would spend money on this stuff"
Know I am going to get flamed for this but figured I would try anyway.
Someone probably will take you up on that, but not me. I agree. It's not a race for 'most over the top statement of dislike'.
However, whether you're talking about Dakka or the overall interwebz, hate is quite comfortable here. It strolls in casually, grabs a brew from the refrigerator, plops down in the La-Z-Boy recliner, and starts flipping through channels while scratching its nuts.
*shrug* Hate circlejerks are kind of what the interwebz does.
Personally, I think these models look in line with the current Daemon aesthetic. Which may or may not be everyone's cup of tea. The Khorne chariot(s) looks over the top, but then IT'S A GW MODEL, and hardly the most OTT thing we've seen the past couple years. I think the sculpting quality will appear better with better pics. Remember how people hated on the plastic Plaguebearers at first, and those proved to be far better sculpts than the previous version.
@Meade -- you realize that these ARE primarily fantasy kits, right?
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Post by: Grimtuff
 Meade wrote:It also seems like they are going further down the road of, cartoony kits that look more at home in fantasy or warmachine than 40k. Did they not get the memo that their fantasy game is not as popular as their sci-fi game? No good.
In what way would these fit in Warmahordes?
Or have I just risen to another I'll informed snipe at PP...
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Post by: Meade
gorgon wrote:
@Meade -- you realize that these ARE primarily fantasy kits, right?
It's a dual release for fantasy and 40k, and these are kits right? correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by: whigwam
Meade wrote:gorgon wrote:
@Meade -- you realize that these ARE primarily fantasy kits, right?
It's a dual release for fantasy and 40k, and these are kits right? correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure all of these models will end up having a use in 40k and Fantasy, just like how Daemons kits currently work.
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Post by: Da Boss
I like the Khorne Herald a lot, it's a cool pose and he looks nice and menacing.
Um.
Yeah. That's about all I want to say about this. Some...odd...choices there. I like my daemons scary rather than comedic.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Well, this is a pretty poor release, IMO. The Tzeentch chariot (the one without the gakky flames all over it) is the only model I'm even remotely interested in buying.
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Post by: Da Boss
Oh, but to say I like the model is not to say I like him to the tune of 20 euros, which is parody pricing.
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Post by: Breotan
Warhammer: Daemons of Chaos $49.50
Codex: Chaos Daemons $49.50
Don't play these so no expendature from me. In fact, the only thing I'm likely to buy are the spell/psychic cards. Ah, well. More money to Malifaux. Chaos Daemons: Plague Drones of Nurgle
I agree with Kroothawk, these look like Lucas' anti-semetic hummingbird. Chaos Daemons: Burning Chariot of Tzeentch/Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot of Tzeentch
Now I'm agreeing with Savageconvoy. It just doesn't look like what it's being called. Then again, I've never liked the look of Tzeench demons. Besides, don't the Tau have the corner on the fish thing? Regardless, the Herald model looks better but not enough for me to buy one. Chaos Daemons: Blood Throne of Khorne/Skull Cannon of Khorne
I don't mind the Blood Throne but the Skull Cannon is just silly. Herald of Nurgle
Less offensive than other Nurgle "giggling imps" sculpts but still reminds me of 2nd Edition goofyness. Herald of Khorne
A model that I actually like. Don't know if I'll get one or not. Putting this in the "maybe" column for now. Herald of Slaanesh
Really wish they'd move away from the he-she motif. I suppose we should be glad they didn't have a $85.00 in this release, too.
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Post by: Meade
Yeah, so these are released meant for both 40k and fantasy. My point is about the styling. The Khorne Chariots and Nurgle flies look like something out of a Dr. Suess cartoon. Huge sweeping curves everywhere, oversized, cartoonish details. I don't like it, so I'm writing about how I don't like it on the internet.
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Post by: spaceelf
The new models are a mixed bag. I like the Tzeench chariot. The characters are alright, but not different enough from regular daemons to justify spending more money on them. I would just convert a regular daemon. I do not like the Nurgle flies. The Khorne Chariot is just aweful. It is worse than the dog Khorn juggernaut. Although I have fond memories of that model.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Those flies are awful.
And hilarious at the same time.
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Post by: Voodoo Boyz
Well now, just when I decide to play the New Chaos Marines in 40k with Demon allies they get new rules.
But I also see that Fantasy Demons are going to get cannons now, I may even have to go back to play the game again just for that.
The only question is whether or not to model my Khorne Cannons coming out of the crotch of a Bloodthirster on a chariot base...
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Post by: stormboy
I really am waiting to see with the flies. I think a lot of the new releases are suffering from bad paint jobs (Forsaken for instance). One there is a clear view of the models all around and some sprue pictures, I am hoping the flies look better. I really want them to look better....
Otherwise, the sculpting of "magicness" or the "warp energies" is rarely successful. I dig the individual models, but the chariots leave a little to be desired. Though, I may change my tune once these get into the hands of people who are able to make small conversions and better paint jobs. (i.e. Helldrake looked way crazy until I saw what people were able to do with it - now I want 15 of them)
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Post by: pretre
Hate to create a precedent here, but I somewhat agree with H.B.M.C. and Kroothawk. Although I have never really been a fan of Daemons, I was not impressed with these. I don't think they are quite as bad as people like to say, but I definitely have no desire to get them.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
QFT! I honestly thought they were converting over the FW ones into a plastic kit as they've done in the past ...
Have to agree on all the WTF?! model posts ... but it's not so totally bad to me. The Khorne stuff is decent because it's unified around the revamped bloodletter body design, which I happen to like, so all Khorne will look solid and cohesive on the field - and also even more doable with a cannonchariot to replace the magicks And the Nurgle infantry continues to make me happy, adding the new plastic herald to the already solid plastic plague bearers (again, I'm a fan), and even cute lil' revamped swarmy nurgling swarms. But the flies are indeed totally stupid.
- Salvage
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Post by: Kroothawk
At least this release is a great inspiration ... for sarcastic comments
Hey look! They even released a Nurgle Drone keychain for fans!
Okay, I give up, nothing can beat this comment
Concerning Khorne: When did Khorne daemons stop being brutal and frighening fighting machines? The bloodletters are just stupidly grinning skinnies with a too large sword, probably with a high pitched squeaky voice. And both Khorne chariots look funny, not menacing. The cannon is something, children would love to mount on a roundabout. IMHO they missed the Khorne character with this and several previous releases.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Kroothawk wrote:
Concerning Khorne: When did Khorne daemons stop being brutal and frighening fighting machines? The bloodletters are just stupidly grinning skinnies with a too large sword, probably with a high pitched squeaky voice.
The Bloodletter look is a return to the original bloodletters from Realm of Chaos, I actually really like them with their long heads and gangly limbs. That's how they originally were.
The Bloodletter herald forgeworld do (with the daemon prince) is one of my favorite models.
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
 Boss Salvage wrote:QFT! I honestly thought they were converting over the FW ones into a plastic kit as they've done in the past ...
Have to agree on all the WTF?! model posts ... but it's not so totally bad to me. The Khorne stuff is decent because it's unified around the revamped bloodletter body design, which I happen to like, so all Khorne will look solid and cohesive on the field - and also even more doable with a cannonchariot to replace the magicks And the Nurgle infantry continues to make me happy, adding the new plastic herald to the already solid plastic plague bearers (again, I'm a fan), and even cute lil' revamped swarmy nurgling swarms. But the flies are indeed totally stupid.
- Salvage
I wonder what the size/rules of these new models will be and if I can just use the FW models as them.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Original concept or not: Red Gollums look funny, not menacing.
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Post by: gorgon
Meade wrote:gorgon wrote:
@Meade -- you realize that these ARE primarily fantasy kits, right?
It's a dual release for fantasy and 40k, and these are kits right? correct me if I'm wrong.
You don't understand. The aesthetics need to work in a fantasy setting first. That's why you have musicians and chariots and not an array of tanks and artillery. The Soul Grinder was their one nod to 40K, but they've since made that available in WFB, and it's very unlikely that we'll see any more sci-fi styling in the Daemons line.
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Post by: MetalOxide
 This could make a good cannon chariot if the horses were replaced by juggernauts. What do you guys think?
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Post by: gorgon
MeanGreenStompa wrote: Kroothawk wrote:
Concerning Khorne: When did Khorne daemons stop being brutal and frighening fighting machines? The bloodletters are just stupidly grinning skinnies with a too large sword, probably with a high pitched squeaky voice.
The Bloodletter look is a return to the original bloodletters from Realm of Chaos, I actually really like them with their long heads and gangly limbs. That's how they originally were.
The Bloodletter herald forgeworld do (with the daemon prince) is one of my favorite models.
Yeah, I'm okay with the current plastics. The metal bodybuilder 'letters looked ridiculous. The beastman-y metals looked good, but they were a fairly radical departure from the original art and models. Not sure if there's an IP angle there or not, but GW definitely decided to revisit the old concepts with the new plastics. And they did look too much like beastmen, IMO.
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Post by: Samurai_Eduh
Based on these small pictures, this looks like a really piss poor release from GW. The flys and the Tzeentch chariot in particular are really bad. The fire in particular on the chariot just looks terrible. Looks like GW let thier B or even C team loose on this one.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
gorgon wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote: Kroothawk wrote:
Concerning Khorne: When did Khorne daemons stop being brutal and frighening fighting machines? The bloodletters are just stupidly grinning skinnies with a too large sword, probably with a high pitched squeaky voice.
The Bloodletter look is a return to the original bloodletters from Realm of Chaos, I actually really like them with their long heads and gangly limbs. That's how they originally were.
The Bloodletter herald forgeworld do (with the daemon prince) is one of my favorite models.
Yeah, I'm okay with the current plastics. The metal bodybuilder 'letters looked ridiculous. The beastman-y metals looked good, but they were a fairly radical departure from the original art and models. Not sure if there's an IP angle there or not, but GW definitely decided to revisit the old concepts with the new plastics. And they did look too much like beastmen, IMO.
I think the bloodletters did a great job of that. I think the plastic daemonettes were a miss though, some of the heads that Jes sculpted for them are great, the rest are fairly nasty, I'd have preferred they just ran with the new Diaz aesthetic as they failed to recapture the 1st edition aesthetic.
Juggernauts have never looked so good.
Horrors, well they can never seem to stop utterly changing aesthetic, but I love my originals with the giant hands.
I really was hoping to see them redo the Greater Daemons, but if this current batch of minis is anything to go by, perhaps they should leave them the hell alone (although even I am boggled as to how they could make the keeper of secrets worse).
I do think there's a strong IP driven initiative behind the designs recently, I've thought this since the minotaurs, since you can't take anyone else's minotaurs and incorporate them with the new GW hulk minotaurs with their hoof-feet and razorback and curious face design.
This is liable to continue I think with all the ranges. God only knows what they'll do with my orks... I hope they don't shift them from the current aesthetic too much.
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Post by: Flashman
What's frustrating is that we went through decades of model design being constrained by the medium. Then comes this new computer sculpting technology and we start to get some really dynamic kits - Screaming Bell, Arachnarok, Necrosphinx, Abomination etc
And then... some time around Ogre Kingdoms, the designs started to get really weak, with at least one rubbish kit in each release usually as a consequence of trying to combine two kits into one - scraplauncher/ironblaster, mortis engine/coven throne
Now this malaise is affecting entire releases. As Kroot pointed out, the last six releases have been highly underwhelming (with the possible exception of DA in my case). At best, I can find one miniature/kit I like the look of which is certainly no incentive to invest in the entire army range.
GW - Your minis are (were?) the sole remaining reason for staying in the game and this aspect is slipping fast.
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Post by: tarnish
Im at the point in the hobby when i just look forward to the new releases because they allow me to convert my own versions of the new units
The Khorne Cannon is a god sent (pun intended) as i can finally make a daemon tank that makes sense ruleswise.
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Post by: Spazz
Maybe this has been covered (i didn't have time to read the whole thread) but , wasn't there supposed to be a new greater daemons. Khorne and nurgle for this wave?
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Post by: Experiment 626
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I think the bloodletters did a great job of that. I think the plastic daemonettes were a miss though, some of the heads that Jes sculpted for them are great, the rest are fairly nasty, I'd have preferred they just ran with the new Diaz aesthetic as they failed to recapture the 1st edition aesthetic.
GW had no choice but to retire the Diaz boobie-nettes.
Don't blame them for the sheer stupidity of your average over-protective b***** soccer moms here in North America...
Hell, my local GW store had to bookshelf their boxes of the Diaz 'nettes because so many of these jumped-up b***** would get screaming mad that their little 6 year-old had just been "psychologically scared" by seeing little miniature daemon boobies.
And some dumb@$$ moms still complain about the new ones that barely suggest anything.
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Post by: wowsmash
I know they call it a beer and pretzels game but come on. They really need to not let these guys drink at work.
Being serious though maybe they lost some of their good sculptors at some point and their using 2nd and 3rd stringers.
Does anyone know if that is possible or who they might have lost around that time?
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Post by: Cryptek of Awesome
Let me preface my post by saying I like the Plastic Demonette's. I don't love them. But I think they're fine - they are perfectly fine looking models for gaming.
Having said that, let me state that IMO this wave of Demon models is bad, and GW should feel bad.
Only exceptions being the herald of Nurgle and Khorne - one of which is finecast so, LoL nope!
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Post by: BrassScorpion
This could make a good cannon chariot if the horses were replaced by juggernauts. What do you guys think?
I still think the GW sculpts for the most part simply blow away anything made by PP, I've never liked much of their work. I like most of the kits GW has done for the past few months regardless of what the most vociferous forum users have been saying. Much of the Chaos stuff is a return to ideas that were around when I got hooked on GW designs more than 2 decades ago and that's just fine with me.
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Post by: eohall
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Horrors, well they can never seem to stop utterly changing aesthetic, but I love my originals with the giant hands.
Now, I like the original horrors too, but models never existed that were sillier, or looked more like something you would find in a happy meal. Why was that ok then and not now?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Now, I like the original horrors too, but models never existed that were sillier, or looked more like something you would find in a happy meal. Why was that ok then and not now?
Because irrational negativity is the engine that drives the forums and keeps friendly positive people from participating much. :( I am fond of the original Realm Of Chaos sculpts by GW they are still some of my favorites of all time. The return to that aesthetic has been good for me and I like some of this crazy looking new Daemons stuff too.
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Post by: Just Dave
As a request, can we please stop criticising others and their opinions, be they due to criticism or support of GW.
People go through the thread and post their opinions, and that's fair enough; it's what N&R threads are. But can we please stop criticising one another for doing so? Citing individuals or the forum as 'whiney' or 'white knighting' achieves nothing and instead just creates a cycle of further complaints.
Can we not just share and (constructively) discuss opinions, rather than simply criticise them, no matter their alignment?
Edit: Unlikely to happen, I know, but worth asking for.
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Post by: Experiment 626
So according to the latest posts up on Warseer...
Mat Ward has written at least one of the books
Check out post #814 here: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?358267-Daemons-in-February-2013/page41
Why do I now have the sinking feeling in my gut that we're about to be 7th edition Orc&Gobbo'd?
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Post by: kronk
Crap. Now I have to skip over a new rash of "Ward Hate Threads" for the next 2 months.
Hopefully he wrote the Fantasy book, so that will stay out of the 40k Discussion area...
Edit: Added smiley face to seem less dick-holish. Seem, anyway...
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Post by: Experiment 626
kronk wrote:Crap. Now I have to skip over a new rash of "Ward Hate Threads" for the next 2 months.
Well, there's what, that 1 in how many piss-poorly balanced books he did get right?! (so there's a small, almost insignificant glimmer of hope to be had!)
But considering how he ruined 7th with his first attempt at Daemons, and how universially hated Daemons have become in 40k, I'm now kinda expecting a hellishly severe over-nerfing to take place.
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Post by: BolingbrokeIV
I think that Herald of Khorne model looks fantastic. Reminds me of the FW Angron for some reason.
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Post by: wowsmash
Didn't be write the deamons book last time as well? Makes since they would have him do it again since he's familiar with it.
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Post by: pretre
Can we leave the Ward garbage out? The guy on warseer didn't even support it as a rumor, it was just a passing comment.
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Post by: Experiment 626
 wowsmash wrote:Didn't be write the deamons book last time as well? Makes since they would have him do it again since he's familiar with it.
Yes he did.
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Post by: NAVARRO
The herald of nurgle will look great with a bit of cleaning, some OTT details in there...It looks quite bigger in comparison with other plagues ( look how the base seems smaller) will get one eventually.
The flies are a big disappointment for me, I love nurgle and I'm nuts about bugs but the miniature designers involved in this have no idea of what they are doing its so wrong visually that ouch! they do need better designers.
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Post by: wowsmash
pretre wrote:Can we leave the Ward garbage out? The guy on warseer didn't even support it as a rumor, it was just a passing comment.
Down boy, down. . I just asked question. Didn't even say anything bad about him.
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Post by: pretre
wowsmash wrote: pretre wrote:Can we leave the Ward garbage out? The guy on warseer didn't even support it as a rumor, it was just a passing comment.
Down boy, down. . I just asked question. Didn't even say anything bad about him.
Guilty conscience? I was responding mostly to Exp626 and the potential for the thread to go downhill.
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Post by: Azreal13
 NAVARRO wrote:The herald of nurgle will look great with a bit of cleaning, some OTT details in there...It looks quite bigger in comparison with other plagues ( look how the base seems smaller) will get one eventually.
The flies are a big disappointment for me, I love nurgle and I'm nuts about bugs but the miniature designers involved in this have no idea of what they are doing its so wrong visually that ouch! they do need better designers.
If you, or anyone else, finds any suitable scale fly or similar insect toys, you be sure and share that info, ok? I really like the concept, but not the model, so will try and build my own.
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Post by: buddha
Anyone else think of this when they saw the flies?
On the whole I actually like the models as Khorne has a unique flair and style and the heralds are all great.
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Post by: Sasori
If Ward wrote a Daemon codex, I imagine it would only be the 40k one. I believe authors try to stay away from authoring the same book twice.
I'd personally like it if Ward wrote the Daemon codex.
Hopefully, we start getting snapshots of rules soon.
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Post by: wowsmash
Ah you ninja'd me. Just watched that movie with my kid the other night.
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Post by: labmouse42
Experiment 626 wrote:Don't blame them for the sheer stupidity of your average over-protective b***** soccer moms here in North America...
Hell, my local GW store had to bookshelf their boxes of the Diaz 'nettes because so many of these jumped-up b***** would get screaming mad that their little 6 year-old had just been "psychologically scared" by seeing little miniature daemon boobies. .
Of course, a bunch of minnature men shooting each other is fine. Daemons ripping people to shreds is not a problem. No psychological scarring there.
But show a boobie...... Automatically Appended Next Post: MetalOxide wrote:
This could make a good cannon chariot if the horses were replaced by juggernauts. What do you guys think?
I love the idea. I hate putting warmachine models together.
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Post by: Experiment 626
pretre wrote: wowsmash wrote: pretre wrote:Can we leave the Ward garbage out? The guy on warseer didn't even support it as a rumor, it was just a passing comment.
Down boy, down. . I just asked question. Didn't even say anything bad about him.
Guilty conscience? I was responding mostly to Exp626 and the potential for the thread to go downhill.
Appologies, but it's kind of difficult for Fantasy players to pass a Terror test when we're possibly set to have the same author again...
I really, really want Daemons to be balanced! We've been at one extreme of the spectrum since 6th edition!
We sucked monkeyballs in the HoC list when entire units would simply go 'Poof!' because you failed a single break test, to being the army that broke an entire edition in 7th!
Meanwhile in 40k, we were disgustingly good, (or rather Bloodletters we broken), in the 3.5 edition CSM codex, and then got our own codex only to be the game's worst army in 5th due to it becoming 'Mechhammer 40k' before being rendered utterly unplayable by the new GK's codex...
6th has helped us quite bit, until the WD update hit and now suddenly we're apparently ruining 40k like we did the last edition of Fantasy.
As a long suffering Daemon player, I demand balance for once GW! 
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Post by: Crimson
Apart the the Nurgle flies these look fine to me (at least based on what I can tell on these tiny pictures.) Chariots look interesting, and I like how they do not look just like Chaos Warrior chariots with daemons on them; they look weird and organic.
Overall, I like that GW has recently decided to take some risks with various chaos modes and tried some unusual designs. Sure, results have been hit or miss, but at least it keeps things from getting stale. (Those huge daemonic monsters for Chaos Warriors were gorgeous, for example.)
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Post by: silent25
Wow. Another weak release from GW. Nothing in this release comes close to inspiring me. Average to shoddy across the board.
Heralds aren't bad, but as others said, can make similar figures out of the plastic kits and a bit of green stuff.
Tzeentch chariot looks alright. Flaming one, horrible. Flat flames just don't work.
Plague Drones look awful. Will note Harry over at Warseer openly said that the paint job ruined the models. Will have to see about getting some fly wings and putting them on my Plague Toads.
The Khorne Chariot, first thing popped in my head when I saw it was Ratfink for some reason. I love Ratfink's art, but not in my WHFB. The other comment of it looking like something off of a 80's metal cover is also appropriate.
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Post by: streamdragon
Korne Skull Cannon? More like ... Khorne... Nidhead Cannon!
Okay, look the joke here is that the bottom of the front of the cannon looks like the head of a Carnifex to me. Same armor plates and everything. I just suck at jokes.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
 tarnish wrote:Im at the point in the hobby when i just look forward to the new releases because they allow me to convert my own versions of the new units
Amen brother - Salvage
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Post by: Kroothawk
 Spazz wrote:Maybe this has been covered (i didn't have time to read the whole thread) but , wasn't there supposed to be a new greater daemons. Khorne and nurgle for this wave?
Hastings said that there will be plastic models for all 4 of them eventually. Most (except Harry) expected them for this wave.
Also:
Lester over at Warseer wrote:I was just told that the Battalion / Battleforce box is changing to:
5 Seekers of Slaanesh
3 Nurglings
10 Plaguebearers
10 Bloodletters
3 Screamers of Tzeentch
Make what you will of that.
75hastings69 wrote:I quite like the burning chariot, well apart from the "flames"???? They look more like the citadel wood lol! Terrible sculpting. Not sold with the other build thanks to the "stuff" bunged under the disc - a nice clear plastic flying stand would have worked wonders IMO.
The drones look 10 times worse painted, so with a decent paint job they may be ok.
Nurgle herald ok, but too similar to rank & file, should have been fatter like a slimmer GUO.
Khorne herald ok but nothing groundbreaking - wouldn't want to own a model with a very long blade like the hell blade as in finecrap that will be curled up all over the place.
The slaanesh herald is ok IMO.
The Segway of Khorne is utterly appalling, it makes the slaughterbrute look like a work of art! I've literally no idea what they were thinking when they came up with this.
If I were still collecting I don't think I'd buy anything, it has made my mind up that ill be selling my existing daemons which is good...... more £ to spend on the Helldorado Kickstarter
Oh, and if I had to guess, I would put Vetock as the author of at least one daemon book. He claimed to have 4 done some time ago, one being released since then.
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Post by: kronk
Segway of Khorne! Hahaha!
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Post by: Hulksmash
I don't like that new content for the Daemon Battalion
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Post by: Bloodhorror
1. The plague drones are so bad its almost like a joke. They should have been miniature blight drones, instead we get stupid looking flies with Mr snufflupagus' snout. They may sell these on the back of the rules but OMG they suck donkey spheres.
2. The Tzeentch chariot looks ridiculous. It may look better with all that stupid effect removed but then its just plain. It
looks marginally better with the herald but then it should have been a massive screamer. Something another model company already makes and looks awesome.
3. The khorne chariot should have been an unstoppable mass of spikes pulled by juggernaughts. Instead we get "scrap for the scrap god". It looks about as menacing as my little pony in gimp gear. Its like the Adams families shopping cart FFS.
4. We have three Heralds. Of all the models in the Chaos line that were not required it was heralds. There is nothing that couldn't be made yourself by converting and kit bashing. They are Ok but nothing more. We also already have three special characters that can be used as heralds and look far cooler. Add to that two are failcast and have protruding thin bits that will almost certainly be all bendy when you come to use the models just adds to the high cost of all three.
In terms of Models I loved the dark angels release. There were some models I din't like but then others did, overall though they were cool.
There is literally nothing released here Id want even if they did a 50% sale on release day.
Where the hell are the models everyone wanted. Plastic fiends, new greater deamons etc.
Add to that the new greater deamons are reportedly finished. Meaning they probably will still put pictures of the old ones in the codex despite how bad they are.
I'm sorry but its a piss poor effort.
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Post by: GiraffeX
The only model I like from this release is the Herald of Khorne but I wont be touching that in finecast (shudders).
Makes me wonder how badly they nerfed the greater daemon models. I really hope they got them right but doubts are high after seeing this release.
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Post by: MetalOxide
BrassScorpion wrote:This could make a good cannon chariot if the horses were replaced by juggernauts. What do you guys think?
I still think the GW sculpts for the most part simply blow away anything made by PP, I've never liked much of their work. I like most of the kits GW has done for the past few months regardless of what the most vociferous forum users have been saying. Much of the Chaos stuff is a return to ideas that were around when I got hooked on GW designs more than 2 decades ago and that's just fine with me.
I respectfully disagree, PP have done some absolutley gorgeous minis, heck, I have even planned on using some of PP's Cryx faction in my Chaos army. An example of this is I think that the Forgefiend/Mauler\fiend looks absolutley hideous, as a result I am planning on somehow incorporating the privateer press Kraken into my army, which in my opinion looks so mush better than the Forge/Maulerfiend as well as looking like it could fit into a nurgle army better. I also think that the Throne of verblight (a battle engine from the Hordes range) could make an awesome daemon engine/creature of some kind. I was thinking about converting it into a living Plagur Tower of Nurgle. I personally think that GW should not go with original 80's/90's designs unless they can be modernised to fit with the rest of the range and not look goofy as hell. The problem with the older desings is that they look as though they were designed to be bulky and toy-like because the techology for casting plastics, metal and resin was alot less advanced than what we have now. Also the general style of the whole sci-fi/fantasy genre has become darker and more serious because we have the techology to make more realistic looking miniatures, cgi in films/TV and better animation in games.
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Post by: El-Torrminator
Am I the only one that thinks the Drones would look a lot better in a proper Nurgley colour scheme?
I'll only be getting the books for the time being, I've got enough stuff that needs painting.
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Post by: Leech
Those Daemon models are nice enough. However from what I can see none of them are outstanding.
The Herald of Slaanesh is a bit odd, ok as a start for a conversion but rather ugly and blocky compared to more slender Daemonettes. She's also in finecast (shitecast) so she'll have skin with a texture like a scrunched up paper bag which will ruin the whole pretty look that Slaanesh models need. The Herald of Khorne looks ok but being in finecast with a sword is going to ruin him. Finecast always warps with anything longer than a model's finger and heating and re-posing a sword is often a lost cause. Replacing the sword will certainly be needed. Also finecast is too flexible and rubbery to be used on something that length. Even if it comes ok, once painted any pressure and it snaps or (more likely) ruins the paint job.
Some nice things as I said but I think what's really needed are plugging gaps in the existing armylist instead of loads of new additions. Flesh hounds and Fiends need plastic sets, the Hounds due to bad sculpting. Also bad design, they are crappy looking lizard-newt-monsters which as models that have nothing to do with the actual artwork, design or original and vastly superior version of Flesh hounds. The Fiends also suck. They appear clumsy looking and are very badly sculpted with terrible proportions with poor details. Both are also too expensive due to being finecast which reduces quality on any large model.
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Post by: Lorizael
MetalOxide wrote: BrassScorpion wrote:I still think the GW sculpts for the most part simply blow away anything made by PP, I've never liked much of their work.
I respectfully disagree, PP have done some absolutley gorgeous minis,.
Wow, it's almost as if different people have different asthetic tastes...!
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Post by: Sasori
I like the cover.
Not a fan of the battleforce.
Now, we just need some rule leaks.
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Post by: Azreal13
Agreed, quite liking the recent direction of cover art. Wouldn't be horrified if MW wrote it either, at least then the rules would likely balance out the horrific minis...
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Post by: Phragonist
 Sasori wrote:I like the cover.
Not a fan of the battleforce.
Now, we just need some rule leaks.
Yes, please. Let's all stop talking about the models, and start talking about the new rules
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Post by: blood reaper
I'm a big fan of the cover, and I like the battleforce, but the cost of both is going to be a downer.
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Post by: lordofthegophers
Here's the fantasy cover for those who care.
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Post by: blood reaper
His horns are bigger than his entire head! Good dam supporting that weight must be a pain.
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Post by: 40k-noob
Anyone know the stats for Flamers and Screamers in 40k? Curious how hard the Nerf Bat hit them.
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Post by: pretre
 blood reaper wrote:His horns are bigger than his entire head! Good dam supporting that weight must be a pain.
Good thing he isn't an actual being but a warp being so silly things like physics and weight are largely irrelevant.
Also, b*tch please:
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40k-noob wrote:Anyone know the stats for Flamers and Screamers in 40k? Curious how hard the Nerf Bat hit them.
There haven't been any rules leaks yet. Be patient and keep checking back.
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Post by: Flashman
Yes, I much prefer the recent 40K covers to the Fantasy ones. There you go GW... if you're searching for some positivity in this thread... your 40K cover artist rocks.
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Post by: Laughing Man
40k-noob wrote:Anyone know the stats for Flamers and Screamers in 40k? Curious how hard the Nerf Bat hit them.
Is it wrong that my first instinct is to post a picture of Ghostcrawler saying " TO THE GROUND?"
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
He looks like he's dancing. Very silly.
The 40K cover is ace though. That looks great.
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Post by: matphat
Reminds me of Tim Curry in Legend.
OOps! ninja'd!
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Post by: Theophony
blood reaper wrote:
His horns are bigger than his entire head! Good dam supporting that weight must be a pain.
No wonder he's always angry and looking for a new skull to support the weight. The models are really helping me to stay away from GW.
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