There is.
From memory it states it's possible, but rarer because most races are more resistant and aren't as numerous or spread out or just don't reproduce fast enough.
During Rouge Trader one of the ork books ”Freebooterz” had a genestealers hybrid mob, for orks to use. It contained ork hybrids, ork genestealers and orky orks, they had different stats from the human species.
I think one of the Cain novels had a Cult eventually infect a Tau sept that was also on planet, or the Cult was in the process of getting them infected.
They never went into much detail about it unfortunately, and I thought it was an interesting idea.
Ashiraya wrote: Maybe it's an Eldar genestealer cult. Genestealers are hardly specialised to target humans, no?
No, I know, of course it will be human cultists. But it is a cool idea.
Actually, is there any fluff regarding a Gene Cult with any race other than humans?
IIRC, the fluff also mentioned that Eldar Genestealer hybrids were possible, but it could be up to 20 generations of hybrids before purestrains were born.
Infestation of Orks and Eldar is known in the fluff. I'm not sure sure about Ogryns, Squats and other (ab)human factions
For those who would like to read the Genestealer Cult fluff - the first pages of the original army list (White Dwarf 114) and the story of Dryaktylus (WD 118)
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A mate of mine passed along that GW has blacked out the following dates for their store employees: Feb 28, Apr 16, and May 7th. I assume that means big releases on those dates.
Ork hybrids were a thing before the fungal reproduction cycle was a thing, I wonder if it still works for them?
If it does, Orks would be the ideal host species, as they reproduce insanely fast and would theoretically produce purestrains at a quicker rate due to Genestealer DNA being present in the singular "parent", no diluting it with non-infected.
Also the physical characteristics and latent psychic power would be beneficial.
Nostromodamus wrote: Ork hybrids were a thing before the fungal reproduction cycle was a thing, I wonder if it still works for them?
If it does, Orks would be the ideal host species, as they reproduce insanely fast and would theoretically produce purestrains at a quicker rate due to Genestealer DNA being present in the singular "parent", no diluting it with non-infected.
Also the physical characteristics and latent psychic power would be beneficial.
Unfortunately anything un-orky would most likely be killed early in its life, making it hard for a cult to take root. Which is also why ork chaos cults never get too far before getting shut down.
Well orks are all ready synapse creatures lol the more of them the more waaagh energy put out .it would be funny if genestealers didn't like the taste of them and they couldn't get infected. They are supposed to be the old ones universal cure after all .
I thought they had already retconned the other genestealer hybrids when they effectively had nids absorbing the biomass of orks to make the spore launching biovores and Eldar to make Zoanthropes?
aka_mythos wrote: I thought they had already retconned the other genestealer hybrids when they effectively had nids absorbing the biomass of orks to make the spore launching biovores and Eldar to make Zoanthropes?
That's older fluff from the 4th dex that's mostly been abandoned(the Biovores from Orks and Zoanthropes from Eldar).
Ok. Here is my crazy prediction. The game will feature 10 deathwatch marines including 2 space wolves, an ultramarine, a blood Angel, an Iron Hand, a White scar, a Raven guard, a Salamander, an Imperial fist, and a Blood Raven. (They are the characters from the black library deathwatch series and Sad Panda said there would be a Blood Raven)
Yes, an army that could combine all the heavy firepower of the Imperial Gard (and plenty that the Guard couldn't get any more, like tarantulas and rapiers) with the unholy combat monsters that were 2nd edition genestealers was horrible.
Kanluwen wrote: So apparently I'm now a rumor source according to BoLS for saying that the preorders would be on the 27th.
I have no inside information or anything of that nature. If the preorders are next week, Saturday is the 27th.
Don't you dare add me to the tracker, Pretre!
You've been quoted in two posts by them so far, alongside Sad Panda. I had a nice chuckle when I saw that on BOLS, since I've been following this thread pretty closely.
Kanluwen wrote: So apparently I'm now a rumor source according to BoLS for saying that the preorders would be on the 27th.
I have no inside information or anything of that nature. If the preorders are next week, Saturday is the 27th.
Don't you dare add me to the tracker, Pretre!
You've been quoted in two posts by them so far, alongside Sad Panda. I had a nice chuckle when I saw that on BOLS, since I've been following this thread pretty closely.
Am I 2 for 2 then?
I'm glad I can piggyback off Sad Panda but man his back must be out from carrying my fat self around...
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....
A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc
That's more like a virus than anything sexual.
Yeah, it reminds me of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, actually.
AndrewGPaul wrote: Yes, an army that could combine all the heavy firepower of the Imperial Gard (and plenty that the Guard couldn't get any more, like tarantulas and rapiers) with the unholy combat monsters that were 2nd edition genestealers was horrible.
Kanluwen wrote: So apparently I'm now a rumor source according to BoLS for saying that the preorders would be on the 27th.
I have no inside information or anything of that nature. If the preorders are next week, Saturday is the 27th.
Don't you dare add me to the tracker, Pretre!
You've been quoted in two posts by them so far, alongside Sad Panda. I had a nice chuckle when I saw that on BOLS, since I've been following this thread pretty closely.
Am I 2 for 2 then?
I'm glad I can piggyback off Sad Panda but man his back must be out from carrying my fat self around...
I mean at this point, you totally need to stand by that rumor. You're going to have 100% accuracy and can started being quoted as a "reliable source speaking to BOLS on condition of anonymity."
That Familiar is older than most of my models, so I don't think it's them not toning it down. As for curse of the wulfen, I haven't seen that artwork to tell, is it just blood and stuff, or naked dogs?
Mordiggian wrote: I'd like to think there's a possibility of a GS Cult army. I think GW was short-sighted when they said Tyranids couldn't ally with Imperial Guard, which would have been an easy way to bring the cults back.
Imperial Guard != Genestealer Cults. Genestealer Cults can include PDF, but you're not going to see Guardsmen in their ranks.
It's really better for them to either build a dedicated "Genestealer Cultist" unit or a Codex rather than just do the whole "Ally in X" thing.
Additionally? Nothing is stopping you from allying Guard and Tyranids. They're "Come the Apocalypse" allies, which means that the "One Eye Open" rule is in effect and they cannot deploy within 12" of each other when deploying for battle.
Exactly. Tyranids infect a local populace. Guardsmen could be drafted from such places, I suppose, but I honestly doubt they'd get very far before being found out. Having read Ciaphas Cain: The Greater Good, one thing that was made clear to me was that the Astra Militarum conducts routine gene-testing at the first suspicion of alien infiltration. So, even though they'd be the most likely faction to be infiltrated, they're also not at all likely to be infiltrated.
So yeah, Genestealer Cults would need to be a self-contained army. Its own codex, really. Made entirely of unique models. It would definitely be the only army in the game that'd be Battle Brothers with Tyranids, which would be something.
Mordiggian wrote: I'd like to think there's a possibility of a GS Cult army. I think GW was short-sighted when they said Tyranids couldn't ally with Imperial Guard, which would have been an easy way to bring the cults back.
Imperial Guard != Genestealer Cults. Genestealer Cults can include PDF, but you're not going to see Guardsmen in their ranks.
It's really better for them to either build a dedicated "Genestealer Cultist" unit or a Codex rather than just do the whole "Ally in X" thing.
Additionally? Nothing is stopping you from allying Guard and Tyranids. They're "Come the Apocalypse" allies, which means that the "One Eye Open" rule is in effect and they cannot deploy within 12" of each other when deploying for battle.
Exactly. Tyranids infect a local populace. Guardsmen could be drafted from such places, I suppose, but I honestly doubt they'd get very far before being found out. Having read Ciaphas Cain: The Greater Good, one thing that was made clear to me was that the Astra Militarum conducts routine gene-testing at the first suspicion of alien infiltration. So, even though they'd be the most likely faction to be infiltrated, they're also not at all likely to be infiltrated.
So yeah, Genestealer Cults would need to be a self-contained army. Its own codex, really. Made entirely of unique models. It would definitely be the only army in the game that'd be Battle Brothers with Tyranids, which would be something.
Some (I would say many) Planetary Defense Forces aren't that different in equipment and organization from the Imperial Guard. Go heavy on conscripts, light on Leman Russes, and avoid things like Commissars and sanctioned psykers and you have the makings of your average PDF force. No need for fluff contortions about drafting infected Guardsmen, "counts-as" is still a thing!
CalgarsPimpHand wrote: Some (I would say many) Planetary Defense Forces aren't that different in equipment and organization from the Imperial Guard. Go heavy on conscripts, light on Leman Russes, and avoid things like Commissars and sanctioned psykers and you have the makings of your average PDF force. No need for fluff contortions about drafting infected Guardsmen, "counts-as" is still a thing!
The issue with that is that there's no such thing as a structured or codified "PDF". A planet's defensive forces are whatever they can muster from whatever sort of world they are. The Cadian PDF is going to reflect the Cadian military in every way, but so too are those of a primitive world throwing spears and rocks at local wildlife.
Forces from a PDF can be inducted into a Genestealer Cult, hell even Guard units stationed on a world could find members of their ranks subverted/infected by the Cult, but it would be a mistake to think that Genestealer Cult just = Subverted Guardsmen. There are far too many variables to account for.
CalgarsPimpHand wrote: Some (I would say many) Planetary Defense Forces aren't that different in equipment and organization from the Imperial Guard. Go heavy on conscripts, light on Leman Russes, and avoid things like Commissars and sanctioned psykers and you have the makings of your average PDF force. No need for fluff contortions about drafting infected Guardsmen, "counts-as" is still a thing!
The issue with that is that there's no such thing as a structured or codified "PDF". A planet's defensive forces are whatever they can muster from whatever sort of world they are. The Cadian PDF is going to reflect the Cadian military in every way, but so too are those of a primitive world throwing spears and rocks at local wildlife.
Forces from a PDF can be inducted into a Genestealer Cult, hell even Guard units stationed on a world could find members of their ranks subverted/infected by the Cult, but it would be a mistake to think that Genestealer Cult just = Subverted Guardsmen. There are far too many variables to account for.
Yeah. Which is why it should be unique models, seeing as how as varied a model range 40k is, we still tend to lack any fitting alternative miniatures given GW's "Heroic Scale". Non-GW models would just look out of place. Unless they were heavily geared or something. To be honest, the sheer amount of hobby gymnastics you'd have to do to make a custom PDF force work is intimidating at best, impossible at worst. Take your conscript spam idea, for example. Alright. So we have an army of T-Shirt/Flashlights. Just, like, 1000 points of T-Shirt/Flashlight guys. Now find models for them. Are you going to use those Cadians? So now they look like Imperial Guard, play like Imperial Guard, but you're just going to pretend they're PDF because you said so? What are we doing this for again? Genestealer Cults?
If anyone is interested in Genestealer Cultists I just discovered this great little range from a company called Macrocosm (small British company), well worth checking out
AndrewGPaul wrote: Yes, an army that could combine all the heavy firepower of the Imperial Gard (and plenty that the Guard couldn't get any more, like tarantulas and rapiers) with the unholy combat monsters that were 2nd edition genestealers was horrible.
If by "horrible" you mean "awesome".
Genestealers in a Land Raider.
No, I mean "horrible", because I was on the other end of it. No Land Raider, but the conga line of genestealers behind the Rhino was always a nuisance.
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CalgarsPimpHand wrote: Some (I would say many) Planetary Defense Forces aren't that different in equipment and organization from the Imperial Guard. Go heavy on conscripts, light on Leman Russes, and avoid things like Commissars and sanctioned psykers and you have the makings of your average PDF force. No need for fluff contortions about drafting infected Guardsmen, "counts-as" is still a thing!
All the Imperial Guard regiments released since the first metal Catachans in the mid 90s have been equipped with their original local uniforms and gear - in effect they'd be entirely suitable to use as PDF troops for their respective worlds. In the case of the Steel Legion, Armageddon is a major manufacturer of chimeras, Leman Russ tanks and others. Their PDF forces are motorised, and I'm sure they have a decent number of tanks as well.
Also lots of Slaanesh art in Curse of the Wulfen. That is a hoax. They are not changing to kids-friendly.
Those familiars are 're releases from the 90s (i believe) you know that right ?
Stop excusing the fact Slaanesh is basically gone from AoS. That female figures are so toned down by GW ( I think the last ones were those archers for high elves? Or the very plain witch elves compared to the metals they replaced )
I can see slaanesh going in a year or two and what will the excuse be then? oh its just a revamp.. yeah its killing parts of the franchise they are scared of bringing controversy to GW
No, I mean "horrible", because I was on the other end of it. No Land Raider, but the conga line of genestealers behind the Rhino was always a nuisance.
Rhino conga? Land Raiders? Why bother when you had the Gate psychic power to play with in front of your mahooosive mob of purestrain?
migooo wrote: That female figures are so toned down by GW ( I think the last ones were those archers for high elves? Or the very plain witch elves compared to the metals they replaced )
migooo wrote: That female figures are so toned down by GW ( I think the last ones were those archers for high elves? Or the very plain witch elves compared to the metals they replaced )
And the new WE show the exact same amount of skin the old one do.
I never said they didn't, I said they were toned down, the poses were more provocative in the old ones. okay ill concede with the Medusa thing however i always felt that was got away with due to not looking human really thing.
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streetsamurai wrote: yeah, the boob exhibiting medussa completely disproof the complaint that GW has toned down their models recently
except its not human its a monster, you can get away with balls on a monster thing case n point FW
migooo wrote: Stop excusing the fact Slaanesh is basically gone from AoS.
Gone, but not forgotten. Slaanesh is missing in the lore (currently), but the Hosts of Slaanesh are still on the online store and listed in the Grand Alliance Chaos book. Slaanesh's followers are still there, looking for Slaanesh, and I think Balance of Power even has a Slaanesh battalion. As we've seen from the Tomb Kings, if they wanted to get rid of Slaanesh, they would've.
I can see slaanesh going in a year or two and what will the excuse be then? oh its just a revamp.. yeah its killing parts of the franchise they are scared of bringing controversy to GW
Far more likely is that they are keeping something back for the campaign. The Realmgate Wars will be over sooner or later, and they'll need something to keep Chaos interesting after they lose. A conflict between Slaanesh and the Great Horned Rat could do it.
ShaneTB wrote: Are the top two the same pose flipped horizontally?
Edit: Let's hope that invoice in the photo doesn't get someone in trouble.
Ones got twin Lightning Claws, the other has a Sword, looks like different bling on the legs as well. The pose itself may be a mirror of each other, but if it's a good fighting pose than lazy mirroring on a digital sculpting is fine by me, especially with enough surface change.
I honestly wasn't too interested in the Death Watch stuff before now, and just really wanted the genestealer cult stuff. Those are looking really good, though. I'm especially liking the Iron Hands model from what I can see. Hopefully the game is cool enough to justify buying the whole box set as opposed to bits ordering on ebay.
Not sure I can justify getting a whole box, just for a squad of marines. Wonder what the e-bay price is going to be, and the theoretical individual release price for just them is going to be.
I only need 4 more guys to fill out my deathwatch squad anyway...
ShaneTB wrote: Are the top two the same pose flipped horizontally?
Edit: Let's hope that invoice in the photo doesn't get someone in trouble.
Ones got twin Lightning Claws, the other has a Sword, looks like different bling on the legs as well. The pose itself may be a mirror of each other, but if it's a good fighting pose than lazy mirroring on a digital sculpting is fine by me, especially with enough surface change.
I like them, but since it's caught my eye I can't unsee how similar they look.
However - I will hold out opinion proper until I see them in person. As a whole they look great even in this blurry pic.
Now, for the love of Jeffery Medge, please let the 'Cult hybrids look great...
Good spot. If they are basing them on the series, then there are 10 chapters I can see on the BL site. I wonder if there will be just these 6 dudes or 10/12 total. Really glad these are new sculpts, they look really nice and detailed. If the Cult/Stealer part is also new, unique models then it's a buy for me as well. Heck, proly just on these models it's already a buy
Side note, leaving that invoice in the leaked pic is almost surely going to get tracked back and get the leaker fired. Can't be too hard to start looking around people's desks for that green calculator either.
Edit: Unless that's a online order packing slip, I haven't ordered direct from GW recently enough to know what they look like. Was kind of assuming that was some internal GW document.
They look pretty cool but I imagine most of their bits are just from the newer marine plastic kits anyway.. Really all you need is deathwatch shoulders and could easily make your own
Starfarer wrote: Side note, leaving that invoice in the leaked pic is almost surely going to get tracked back and get the leaker fired. Can't be too hard to start looking around people's desks for that green calculator either.
Edit: Unless that's a online order packing slip, I haven't ordered direct from GW recently enough to know what they look like. Was kind of assuming that was some internal GW document.
Looks like a store's shipment packing list. My assumption is that someone has gotten the White Dwarf mags already in their shipment (not too unusual for a Thursday) and a customer snapped a quick photo.
Not sure I can justify getting a whole box, just for a squad of marines. Wonder what the e-bay price is going to be, and the theoretical individual release price for just them is going to be.
I only need 4 more guys to fill out my deathwatch squad anyway...
Yeah, this is one of the best blurrypic leaks, though, in fairness, it's a pretty good blurry pic I suspect you'll get more than a squad of marines. I mean, there must be some genestealer cult right?
If they package something like 10 deathwatch and 20 genestealer cult in Space Hulk style snapfits for ~ $150, that would be "a great deal" in my mind ($5 / mini). 10+10 would be a decent deal ($7.50 / mini), depending on how usable the minis are for conversions.
If you only want one side of the box, I'm sure you can find someone to take the other half of it.
Would be pretty sweet if all of the stories are about the 10 deathwatch marines in this kit.
Hope they release a deathwatch kit like they did for blood angels and the like. 10 shoulderp pads and a few special bits
You do know that there is a Deathwatch upgrade kit on the GW site right?
Pads, heads, bolters
But a kit that has a few combi's, alternative plastic heads, a comple of generic symbol shoulder pads, and some cc weapons would work pretty well. Meant to be used in step with the current kit.
Would be pretty sweet if all of the stories are about the 10 deathwatch marines in this kit.
Hope they release a deathwatch kit like they did for blood angels and the like. 10 shoulderp pads and a few special bits
You do know that there is a Deathwatch upgrade kit on the GW site right?
Pads, heads, bolters
But a kit that has a few combi's, alternative plastic heads, a comple of generic symbol shoulder pads, and some cc weapons would work pretty well. Meant to be used in step with the current kit.
Ah gotcha gotcha.
Yeah I need to hit around the shop and get a few extra pads from different factions just for future use.
*sigh* Really? Someone had the chance to grab a WD pics and they chose the slightly-different-than-other-Marines Marines rather than the plastic revamp of a cult-classic(pun very much intended) faction from decades ago?
There aren't enough facepalming gifs in the world.
Yodhrin wrote: *sigh* Really? Someone had the chance to grab a WD pics and they chose the slightly-different-than-other-Marines Marines rather than the plastic revamp of a cult-classic(pun very much intended) faction from decades ago?
There aren't enough facepalming gifs in the world.
Alot of people are more interested in the DW side.
More pics will come, but getting salty about which they chose is silly.
Different people = different priorities
Way too blinged out for me. I mean, the models were obviously going to have a fair bit of detail but I feel like it's way too much chapter specific stuff, which is not at all what Deathwatch marines should be about.
Brothers on lease to Deathwatch are not expected to renounce their Chapter, nor do they get new gear when transferring. It's natural for them to look distinct from each other.
Ktulhut wrote: Way too blinged out for me. I mean, the models were obviously going to have a fair bit of detail but I feel like it's way too much chapter specific stuff, which is not at all what Deathwatch marines should be about.
Hopefully the cult can save this release.
Marines in general are suffering from an over-blingification across the spectrum. Part of the reason the BaC set is so nice is that the models aren't caked in 10-20 pieces of flair.
Yodhrin wrote: *sigh* Really? Someone had the chance to grab a WD pics and they chose the slightly-different-than-other-Marines Marines rather than the plastic revamp of a cult-classic(pun very much intended) faction from decades ago?
There aren't enough facepalming gifs in the world.
Alot of people are more interested in the DW side.
More pics will come, but getting salty about which they chose is silly.
Different people = different priorities
Or these pics are leaked by GW, and they know the Cultists are the more anticipated models (trying to build more hype).
unmercifulconker wrote: The models are chapter specific......YYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRSSSS!!
Deposit directly onto lap.
Well, we don't know how Chapter Specific yet.
The Raven Guard, Ultramarine, Iron Hand, and Imperial Fist might just have decals.
If you go by Space Hulk, which is the last bunch of monopose marines in a board game set everything was sculpted.
Since they are pretty much going out of their way to make these the characters from the DW books, it is rather safe to assume that their identities and markings will be set.
Step 1: Get new WD.
Step 2: Open to the new Deathwatch game section.
Step 3: Wait for earthquake.
Step 4: Take out-of-focus pic during said earthquake.
Step 5: Completely forget to take picture of what else is in the box.
Yikes.
And that cover art from those books is abominable.
Well if they are all from the DW stories from the Black Library (which it sounds like they are) then it's 9 first founders and a Blood Raven so don't get your hopes up of anything else.
Yeah, since these pics arrive like clockwork, they're almost certainly intentional. So why would you make them so less-than-ideal and leave yourselves open to bad first impressions (which happens almost every time even with the best-looking minis)?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Step 1: Get new WD.
Step 2: Open to the new Deathwatch game section.
Step 3: Wait for earthquake.
Step 4: Take out-of-focus pic during said earthquake.
Step 5: Completely forget to take picture of what else is in the box.
Yikes.
And that cover art from those books is abominable.
Oh my god they are. Wasn't there like rumours of a terminator guy? Or was that something else?
gorgon wrote: Yeah, since these pics arrive like clockwork, they're almost certainly intentional. So why would you make them so less-than-ideal and leave yourselves open to bad first impressions (which happens almost every time even with the best-looking minis)?
They arrive like clockwork due to delivery schedules which are pretty standard.
When the normal sources get their deliveries and get time to upload they do.
The whole conspiracy thing about "intentional leaks" is pretty stupid because I would put solid money that White Dwarf loses sales due to people not needing to pick it up to see everything.
gorgon wrote: Yeah, since these pics arrive like clockwork, they're almost certainly intentional. So why would you make them so less-than-ideal and leave yourselves open to bad first impressions (which happens almost every time even with the best-looking minis)?
I have always wondered this same thing.
I guess it sort of works because crappy photos like this just get us talking and waiting until the next pic. Get people talking and then drop the blurry Genestealer cult pics in a few days...
gorgon wrote: Yeah, since these pics arrive like clockwork, they're almost certainly intentional. So why would you make them so less-than-ideal and leave yourselves open to bad first impressions (which happens almost every time even with the best-looking minis)?
They arrive like clockwork due to delivery schedules which are pretty standard.
When the normal sources get their deliveries and get time to upload they do.
The whole conspiracy thing about "intentional leaks" is pretty stupid because I would put solid money that White Dwarf loses sales due to people not needing to pick it up to see everything.
The issue is that the White Dwarf we're seeing here is not going to have arrived yet.
gorgon wrote: Yeah, since these pics arrive like clockwork, they're almost certainly intentional. So why would you make them so less-than-ideal and leave yourselves open to bad first impressions (which happens almost every time even with the best-looking minis)?
They arrive like clockwork due to delivery schedules which are pretty standard.
When the normal sources get their deliveries and get time to upload they do.
The whole conspiracy thing about "intentional leaks" is pretty stupid because I would put solid money that White Dwarf loses sales due to people not needing to pick it up to see everything.
This is exactly what every Inquisitor says, don't believe their lies sheeple.
Given that a lot of the pics you see posted by people online (who have all the time in the world to take pictures) that are equally rubbish I think that most are not deliberate drops by gw
although occasionally when one gets a really bad response and an in focus versions then shows up to try and refute it but still not showing anything else on the page, those I do wonder about
The fact that they're equally rubbish is what makes me think they might be deliberate leaks, surely people would be able to take much better photos than these if they wanted to? You almost have to put more effort into taking photos that bad.
GW needs to have their 'leak photographer' upgrade thier 1999 flip phone to something made in the last 10 years that has a decent camera in it. And maybe, just maybe, take a second to steady the phone and focus before they snap the pic...
It never ceases to amaze me of how leakers of every conceivable subject universally fail at taking clean picks. Has to be an intentional aesthetic or some nonsense, though I don't know why anyone would want to do that. That just screams "I'm trying to hide bad photoshop" to me. Though at least it's not just a pic of legs. I've seen jokers pull that before...
These models look bad. Something off about them. Not the worst I've ever seen but kinda over detailed and busy. It could just be the blurriness though. I'll wait to see good pictures of them.
ImAGeek wrote: Or these pics are leaked by GW, and they know the Cultists are the more anticipated models (trying to build more hype).
Interesting theory. One I am lnclined to believe going by the way rumours have been brokered over the last year. GW has us all by the balls. Don't underestimate there divisiveness
I've been lurking on this thread for a while, becuase the idea is interesting, and part of me hoped that GW would capture some of Space Hulk's high quality, but these Marines are very underwhelming. Static poses, lack of dynamism, somebody has phoned these Marines in.
The Hybrids will have to go above and beyond to salvage this, IMO.
And on another note, why is there a picture of a Uruk Hai amongst that 10 marine cover art pictures?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've been lurking on this thread for a while, becuase the idea is interesting, and part of me hoped that GW would capture some of Space Hulk's high quality, but these Marines are very underwhelming. Static poses, lack of dynamism, somebody has phoned these Marines in.
The Hybrids will have to go above and beyond to salvage this, IMO.
And on another note, why is there a picture of a Uruk Hai amongst that 10 marine cover art pictures?
Everything's phoned in according to you lol. Even Star Wars VII
I have no interest in the Deathwatch minis, but I think those will prove to be very nice marine models. I don't get the negativity based on what we've seen so far.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've been lurking on this thread for a while, becuase the idea is interesting, and part of me hoped that GW would capture some of Space Hulk's high quality, but these Marines are very underwhelming. Static poses, lack of dynamism, somebody has phoned these Marines in.
The Hybrids will have to go above and beyond to salvage this, IMO.
And on another note, why is there a picture of a Uruk Hai amongst that 10 marine cover art pictures?
Everything's phoned in according to you lol. Even Star Wars VII
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've been lurking on this thread for a while, becuase the idea is interesting, and part of me hoped that GW would capture some of Space Hulk's high quality, but these Marines are very underwhelming. Static poses, lack of dynamism, somebody has phoned these Marines in.
The Hybrids will have to go above and beyond to salvage this, IMO.
And on another note, why is there a picture of a Uruk Hai amongst that 10 marine cover art pictures?
I quite like the fact that they're not all "dynamic". Not everything needs to be leaping off a pile of rubble on one leg. They're Space Marines. Staid and Stoic is what they do.
The negativity is very simple. We have a bog standard squad of marines that looks like it's had a few extra bits added to it from your average bitz box. I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of all dakka members could jazz up a tactical squad in this manner.
But here's the kicker: unlike most people, I resent having to pay extra for something that is clearly not an improvement on what has gone before.
Other people might be happy at paying £20 for 5 dire avengers, when £20 used to get you TEN dire avengers, but not me.
And on a final note, we are allowed to express a dislike for a product on these pages, are we not? Or did I miss the memo?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've been lurking on this thread for a while, becuase the idea is interesting, and part of me hoped that GW would capture some of Space Hulk's high quality, but these Marines are very underwhelming. Static poses, lack of dynamism, somebody has phoned these Marines in.
The Hybrids will have to go above and beyond to salvage this, IMO.
And on another note, why is there a picture of a Uruk Hai amongst that 10 marine cover art pictures?
Everything's phoned in according to you lol. Even Star Wars VII
On further reflection, it's worse than that - it was sent in by carrier pigeon
Marines look cool so far,but its a shame they are so first founding centric. Although a colour change would work for some successors that use the same badges.
It would be nice if GW used this game as a chance to expand on the DW and other Xenos in the future.
Other people might be happy at paying £20 for 5 dire avengers, when £20 used to get you TEN dire avengers, but not me.
*Cough* £18 *Cough*
That's how much 10 DA used to cost. I suppose I'm fortunate with my Eldar that I got my core from one of the original Apocalypse bundles (like, 5th ed Apocalypse folks) and have in years since sold on two of the boxes and made profit for it.
Other people might be happy at paying £20 for 5 dire avengers, when £20 used to get you TEN dire avengers, but not me.
*Cough* £18 *Cough*
That's how much 10 DA used to cost. I suppose I'm fortunate with my Eldar that I got my core from one of the original Apocalypse bundles (like, 5th ed Apocalypse folks) and have in years since sold on two of the boxes and made profit for it.
DA were always one of my favourite models from the range, and it was a shame to see people get stung by the decrease in model numbers, but that's ancient history now.
Yeah, although to be honest there were probably ample complaints here back then about their static nature and the BA symbols all over them.
I agree Gorgon, it's always a damn shame when somebody disagrees with you. For the record, I'll make 2 final points:
1) The Dark Elf models from 2-3 years ago were absolute first class in my opinion, amazing models from GW. I say this to those who think I do nothing but criticise new releases.
2) Opinion is not prohibition. Just because I don't like a model, doesn't mean to say I'm trying to stop other people from enjoying it or buying it. Each to their own.
And I offer my apologies to the mods and the forum for going miles of topic, but I felt I had to make that point.
The Deathwatch look nice but exactly as I expected them to look. Is anyone else worried that this is going to end up too much like space hulk. An elite group of named marines against Genestealers. Space Hulk is a great game of course but I hope it plays differently.
Zwan1One wrote: The marines look cool but I always thought deathwatch marines were meant to be more subtle than most chapters.
They are basically Commando teams. Utilizing very special equipment. I wonder if they still keep the different rounds and those silencers. I wonder if I still have that old WD. Probably not.Oh you mean the bling bits? Well I remember them having silver pads/ arms but otherwise black. It is fitting I guess. But I won't be keeping them. I only want the GSC
This is supposedly a board game I wonder if the tiles will be compatatable with Space Hulk or the other ones.
Finally, pictures!!! Can't wait to see what interesting and distinct Second and later Founding Chapters they incorporate into the DW team! What a great opportunity to dig a little deeper into their 1000 Chapters and make some cool and unique models and...
Looks kinda cool. I honestly have little to no interest in DW or GS cults, but another good board game would be nice. Too bad I'm on a purchasing ban for now.
dienekes96 wrote: Finally, pictures!!! Can't wait to see what interesting and distinct Second and later Founding Chapters they incorporate into the DW team! What a great opportunity to dig a little deeper into their 1000 Chapters and make some cool and unique models and...
Never mind.
Is this REALLY a complaint?
The first founding chapters are entirely distinct in their own ways. Just because they're not some lousy Chapter nobody cares about doesn't mean the models aren't great. I like the Carcharodons Astra as much as the next guy, but they aren't there for a reason!
They just aren't well known and therefore not a good introduction for making the Deathwatch more mainstream, if you will.
You cover the basic founding chapters (all of which ARE distinct despite outcries saying otherwise) and you're good.
Zwan1One wrote: The marines look cool but I always thought deathwatch marines were meant to be more subtle than most chapters.
Deathwatch operations, on the whole, are more subtle than that of most Chapters at war.
Marines in general though aren't really subtle. When your preferred method of entry is being hurled from orbit in a bus sized bullet stuffed with a giant rocket so you don't become pancakes when stopping?
Subtlety isn't really an option.
Yes, it is a complaint. I am not asking for the Mortifactors or the Lamentors or the Raptors or the Scions of the Seventh Song (or whatever) to get a Codex or Chapter Tactics. Or even the nice little Upgrade Sprues that the big four got. That makes no sense. The big four are the big four. They will get most of the goodies, as makes solid business sense.
But I remember when Codex: Space Marines had a make your own Chapter rules (4th). I remember when players were encouraged to come up with Chapters of their own for their armies. One of the cool things about the Deathwatch is making a squad up of individuals. Yeah, you might put your favorite chapter in there as well, but overall, your imagination can go a little farther that the cover page.
I'm no serial complainer. My favorite army is the Space Wolves, specifically the 13th Company. Their fluff just got effectively blown to smithereens by Curse of the Wulfen, but that is okay. No big deal. I got some new models out of it, and can work around the rest. I'm usually in here defending GW decisions.
And this isn't a deal breaker. I'll get the set regardless. But I did take math in 5th grade. If there are 1000 chapters, and about 80% of those chapters send a few battle brothers to serve in the Deathwatch, then the odds of a DW Kill Team of ten Marines having 9 First Founding members is about ten quadrillion to one. Even if the FF chapters send ten times as many Marines as later founding so, no more than 1 in 9 Deathwatch Marines will be FF. That is my fluff complaint.
My modeling complaint is that I can very easily build a SWDW Marine. Ditto for the DA and BA. Ultras would have been harder, but the upgrade sprue made that one pretty easy as well. It would be tougher to make a White Scar or Raven Guard. This was a chance to remind everyone that there are dozens of named Chapters for Space Marines formally in the lore (Codex: Armageddon named a bunch, as did earlier SM and UM codices). Make a plastic model for different aesthetic, like the Celestial Lions or the Black Dragons.
To be fair, maybe the eventual plastic kit that was rumored to be coming later this year will create that flexibility. This was a chance for some cool one offs...maybe inspire and motivate the player base. And it is 9 FF Marines plus a Blood Raven.
Like I said, I like the big four just fine, but I am disappointed they didn't spread their wings a bit. Great opportunity to expand and showcase their own fluff, not taken.
Making a boxed game is actually quite a risk for Gw, as can be seen from the massive failure of dead fleet. GW is always trying to make decisions to minimise those risks. That is why every 40k box set has marines in it. That is why the assassins game had old cheap to pruduce cultists. With the new game they are likely trying to appeal to fans of the big four to attract more sales. The joy of plastic is that conversation is easy. Also in the comments on another site lady Atia mentioned that those who wish to make other chapters should wait a while. I guess the rumoured multi part kits will be more generic.
That is a good point, but I think a DW box is going to sell regardless; even before accounting for the Genestealer Cults. It isn't like the FF completists are going to buy it to get that one extra BA Assault Squad Sgt.
If not ten unique Chapters, then use 5 FF Marines and make the other 5 something else to show the potential. Again, if their predicted DW box set addresses this element of the Deathwatch by having a bunch of interesting backpacks and helmets (and right shoulder pads obviously), then no bigs.
People are going to buy this game just for that frag launcher devastator anyway.
This was an opportunity to make lots of shoulder pads for various Chapters and give us some options. Instead we get more Angels and Ultras.
Sure, there are a few others, but not everything can be first founding. I might grab some of the (many) examples of non-FF Deathwatch Marines from the Deathwatch game to show just how great it would'a been to have various Chapters included rather than just the "popular" ones.
This was an opportunity to make lots of shoulder pads for various Chapters and give us some options. Instead we get more Angels and Ultras.
Sure, there are a few others, but not everything can be first founding. I might grab some of the (many) examples of non-FF Deathwatch Marines from the Deathwatch game to show just how great it would'a been to have various Chapters included rather than just the "popular" ones.
I think people need to take a breath and understand that again this is board game first.
This is not designed for adding to your army as a first thought, it is meant to be the exact factions and exact models that are needed to tell the story for the game.
If they choose to release individual models later, as it has been rumored than perhaps more options will be available.
Zwan1One wrote: The marines look cool but I always thought deathwatch marines were meant to be more subtle than most chapters.
Deathwatch operations, on the whole, are more subtle than that of most Chapters at war.
Marines in general though aren't really subtle. When your preferred method of entry is being hurled from orbit in a bus sized bullet stuffed with a giant rocket so you don't become pancakes when stopping?
Subtlety isn't really an option.
In the RPG my marine players had a Stormraven Gunship and would go in for stealth runs dropped off far from the target to make their way to the target or area of operations. It can be done, but it's not naturally in their MO for most chapters who are amended to the Deathwatch.
Awesome stuff, can't wait for these Deathwatch marines! Always had an interest in Deathwatch, so this is great.
One question though.. what kind of weapon is the Imperial Fists Devastator using? It doesn't look like a Heavy Bolter, which would make most sense, but something else.. almost like a Frag Cannon, or some sort of alternative to a Psycannon. Anyone know what it is?
Yodhrin wrote: *sigh* Really? Someone had the chance to grab a WD pics and they chose the slightly-different-than-other-Marines Marines rather than the plastic revamp of a cult-classic(pun very much intended) faction from decades ago?
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Or these pics are leaked by GW, and they know the Cultists are the more anticipated models (trying to build more hype).
Spot on. My thoughts exactly. This must be leaked by GW.
Mymearan wrote: Space Hulk also has individual characters though.
But ultimately they weren't very important to the game. It's not as if they had special abilities unique to each character (Librarian notwithstanding).
I thought the whole point of the Deathwatch was that you were subsumed into the chapter for the duration of your service and that the only remnant of your "home" chapter was your weapons (Maybe) and one shoulder badge.
Guess that all been scrubbed then.........
This seems to be bunch of different marines get hired in the local pub and go adventuring together.
Sad no pics of something new - ie NOT marines for the self fulfilling prophecy of Marines sell because we mostly make marines, so lets make more Marines..
I hold out hope that there'll be some transfers for other chapters. Maybe it's the picture quality, but the Imperial Fist and Raven Guard pads don't look moulded.
I've already got a decent DW contingent with some more obscure chapters (Angels Porphyr, Executioners, Novamrines, Mortifactors) with plans for more. Some blank shoulder pads and press moulding details from various models in the SM range furnish you with quite a range, as does imaginative use of certain FW pads. Otherwise there's always Shapeways to fulfil your non- first founding needs. There's a store called pop monkey that offers a custom set of 10 chapter pads (chosen from a list) with the likes of Deathspectres, Angels of Vengeance, Storm Wardens etc. being the basis.
These models look cool and should, with a bit of adjustment, be the perfect basis for lesser known chapters, though it would have been nice not to need to and I do share the sentiment that, with a product that would likely sell anyway, there was no need to overload it with First Founding chapters. especially those for whom Shoulder pads and other bits are not especially difficult to come by (Angels, Wolves).
Mymearan wrote: Space Hulk also has individual characters though.
But ultimately they weren't very important to the game. It's not as if they had special abilities unique to each character (Librarian notwithstanding).
Most of them had unique weaponry, though. All we've seen is the miniatures. There's no details of the rules, so who's to say that the fact that one's an Ultramarine and one's a Dark Angel have any bearing on the game?
Mr Morden wrote:I thought the whole point of the Deathwatch was that you were subsumed into the chapter for the duration of your service and that the only remnant of your "home" chapter was your weapons (Maybe) and one shoulder badge.
There's hundreds of pages of RPG material about the Deathwatch. Looking at these miniatures, it's clear that they're all in the black and silver armour (with the right shoulder in their Chapter colours), as you describe. It's just that they've also retained some personal decoration. All Space Marine Chapters seem to allow that sort of decoration on individualMarines' armour, and the Deathwatch are no exception. It's just that here, the personal decoration isn't following a single theme.
Mr Morden wrote: I thought the whole point of the Deathwatch was that you were subsumed into the chapter for the duration of your service and that the only remnant of your "home" chapter was your weapons (Maybe) and one shoulder badge.
Guess that all been scrubbed then.........
This seems to be bunch of different marines get hired in the local pub and go adventuring together.
Not quite seeing what you mean. The Marines are in the standard issue black/silver that their armour gets painted. But that doesnt mean the Blood Angle has to shave his Armour Nipples off, the Dark Angel doesn't burn his smock and the Spacewolf doesn't have to keep his lucky wolf tails in quarantine for his stay.
If you want a homogeneous look, that is cool, you can get that done with a box of tactical marines, a Deathwatch upgrade sprue and your bitz box.
I am totally behind these new models and they fit my interpretation of Deathwatch.
I may be somewhat biased.
My 4k worth of points of Marines are already decked out in black with suspiciously silver left arms and blingy left shoulderpads.
The thing with the decoration is that while these guys are fancier than your standard 40k Tactical Marine, that Marine is very, very simplified compared to the artwork, simply due to limits of scale and detail. Look at SM artwork, you'll see purity seals and engravings and all kinds of extra paraphernalia on even the most basic of Marines, that simply can't be represnted on these models at their size/proportions.
These DW Marines do a lot to rectify that, in the same way the SH Terminators do, but obviously producing armies of minis this detailed in multi-pose kits is impossible.
sockwithaticket wrote: I hold out hope that there'll be some transfers for other chapters. Maybe it's the picture quality, but the Imperial Fist and Raven Guard pads don't look moulded.
I've already got a decent DW contingent with some more obscure chapters (Angels Porphyr, Executioners, Novamrines, Mortifactors) with plans for more. Some blank shoulder pads and press moulding details from various models in the SM range furnish you with quite a range, as does imaginative use of certain FW pads. Otherwise there's always Shapeways to fulfil your non- first founding needs. There's a store called pop monkey that offers a custom set of 10 chapter pads (chosen from a list) with the likes of Deathspectres, Angels of Vengeance, Storm Wardens etc. being the basis.
These models look cool and should, with a bit of adjustment, be the perfect basis for lesser known chapters, though it would have been nice not to need to and I do share the sentiment that, with a product that would likely sell anyway, there was no need to overload it with First Founding chapters. especially those for whom Shoulder pads and other bits are not especially difficult to come by (Angels, Wolves).
Great tip re Shapeways. The shop is Pop Goes The Monkey and here is the link to the actual item. There is a huge range of cool pads
EDIT The link is for one of many combinations, but you can choose your own custom set of 10
Mr Morden wrote: This seems to be bunch of different marines get hired in the local pub and go adventuring together.
No...
It's an oath of service, and a tour of duty. People are either sent to the Deathwatch as a reward, or to gain new skills or, sometimes, as a 'promotion' for more troublesome/outspoken Marines. They leave most of their Chapter behind, and embark on missions for whatever the Deathwatch in that area are set up to do.
Mr Morden wrote: I thought the whole point of the Deathwatch was that you were subsumed into the chapter for the duration of your service and that the only remnant of your "home" chapter was your weapons (Maybe) and one shoulder badge.
Guess that all been scrubbed then.........
This seems to be bunch of different marines get hired in the local pub and go adventuring together.
Sad no pics of something new - ie NOT marines for the self fulfilling prophecy of Marines sell because we mostly make marines, so lets make more Marines..
As has been mentioned by others, Marines on duty with the Deathwatch aren't required, or expected, to abandon loyalty to their chapter. I haven't been following DW for years and years like some people here, but about a year and a half ago I did a DW campaign with some friends, and the lore in the RPG books certainly makes it sound like Marines would still be wearing the gear of their chapter (perhaps even more so in the spirit of rivalry with other chapters).
Paradigm wrote: The thing with the decoration is that while these guys are fancier than your standard 40k Tactical Marine,
The standard marine appears to be an overly ornate, decorated super duper blinged up purity scrolls n skulls soldier. A "fancier" version of that? Bloody Christmas Tree.
Mymearan wrote: They keep their normal armor they just repaint it, so obviously it will be just as blinged out
was this always the case I thought they just kept a shoulder pad?
The right shoulder guard is kept in the original colours to both appease the machine spirit of the suit of power armour and to proudly show the origins of the marine.
Mymearan wrote: They keep their normal armor they just repaint it, so obviously it will be just as blinged out
was this always the case I thought they just kept a shoulder pad?
Yup!
They keep their same armor, for the most part(the RPG has introduced some Relic armor suits that Deathwatch maintain for members of the Chapters whose relics they are), and repaint it black leaving one shoulder in its original livery to pay homage to the armor's Machine Spirit.
Mymearan wrote: They keep their normal armor they just repaint it, so obviously it will be just as blinged out
was this always the case I thought they just kept a shoulder pad?
The right shoulder guard is kept in the original colours to both appease the machine spirit of the suit of power armour and to proudly show the origins of the marine.
Huh... thanks was this in the WD article or the DW game?
Mymearan wrote: They keep their normal armor they just repaint it, so obviously it will be just as blinged out
was this always the case I thought they just kept a shoulder pad?
Yup!
They keep their same armor, for the most part(the RPG has introduced some Relic armor suits that Deathwatch maintain for members of the Chapters whose relics they are), and repaint it black leaving one shoulder in its original livery to pay homage to the armor's Machine Spirit.
So they retain their original Armour? well most of it. huh thanks more you know.
Way to see it is, a suit of power armour is made to fit the marine in question and they both get used to one another, the RPG has some nice power armour quirks that poke fun at this. While Bob Guardfodder can just get a new flak vest if there's a hole in it, Dwayne the Marine is wearing something a little more complex and expensive that isn't as easily replaced as it used to be back in the day.
BrookM wrote: Way to see it is, a suit of power armour is made to fit the marine in question and they both get used to one another, the RPG has some nice power armour quirks that poke fun at this. While Bob Guardfodder can just get a new flak vest if there's a hole in it, Dwayne the Marine is wearing something a little more complex and expensive that isn't as easily replaced as it used to be back in the day.
I only own the admech books for the RPG ill probably get deathwatch now. is the lamenters dreadnaught guy mentioned?
BrookM wrote: Way to see it is, a suit of power armour is made to fit the marine in question and they both get used to one another, the RPG has some nice power armour quirks that poke fun at this. While Bob Guardfodder can just get a new flak vest if there's a hole in it, Dwayne the Marine is wearing something a little more complex and expensive that isn't as easily replaced as it used to be back in the day.
I only own the admech books for the RPG ill probably get deathwatch now. is the lamenters dreadnaught guy mentioned?
I honestly don't know, I only have the core book as I didn't delve into the rest of the range due to poor availability and it being something that doesn't tickle my fancy.
BrookM wrote: Way to see it is, a suit of power armour is made to fit the marine in question and they both get used to one another, the RPG has some nice power armour quirks that poke fun at this. While Bob Guardfodder can just get a new flak vest if there's a hole in it, Dwayne the Marine is wearing something a little more complex and expensive that isn't as easily replaced as it used to be back in the day.
I only own the admech books for the RPG ill probably get deathwatch now. is the lamenters dreadnaught guy mentioned?
I honestly don't know, I only have the core book as I didn't delve into the rest of the range due to poor availability and it being something that doesn't tickle my fancy.
why i didnt buy anything more than the source books for admech. I wasnt sure about the dark eldar one if i cant flip through a book to look i dont tend to pick one up ( 4th ed D&D taught tme this)
Fugazi wrote: I thought they kept their armor but replaced the left shoulder pad with a DW one. Is that not the case?
There's a short story (who's name I cannot remember ) where the Deathwatch are fighting Dark Eldar, and a Space Wolf comments that his Deathwatch issued armour is better than his original armour.
Here is a question for you all while we are waiting on cultists...What are the chances that Genestealer cultists will have access to Astra Militarium vehicles? I got a bunch that I want to sell, but while looking for cultist pics, I saw a lot with old IG vehicles.
MajorTom11 wrote: Well, regardless someone needs a kick in the stones for either being an incompetent leaker or a total b****rd of a tease lol.
Makes sense to tease the Marines first. It gets people talking and it gets the Tyranid players grumbling.
And isn't that what's important? Grumbling Tyranid players?
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Lord Scythican wrote: Here is a question for you all while we are waiting on cultists...What are the chances that Genestealer cultists will have access to Astra Militarium vehicles? I got a bunch that I want to sell, but while looking for cultist pics, I saw a lot with old IG vehicles.
Spoiler:
That's someone just making a themed army long after Cultists ceased to have a GW supported list.
Cults were gone loooooooooooong before the plastic Heavy Weapon Teams even came out, much less the "Hellhound" variants!
Well I think we are getting somewhere, this is not like this stupid Nidvember with the hundreds of pages of specualtion an wishlisting and not a single actual Tyranid pick. At least we have a blury picture of the bad guys out of a White Dwarf which doesn't sent the hypetrain emediatly down the cliff.
Lord Scythican wrote: Here is a question for you all while we are waiting on cultists...What are the chances that Genestealer cultists will have access to Astra Militarium vehicles? I got a bunch that I want to sell, but while looking for cultist pics, I saw a lot with old IG vehicles.
Spoiler:
That's someone just making a themed army long after Cultists ceased to have a GW supported list.
Cults were gone loooooooooooong before the plastic Heavy Weapon Teams even came out, much less the "Hellhound" variants!
Ahh....thanks for the info. I guess it still might be worth making a counts as AM army using cultists depending on how the look right?
There aren't many people more invested in GCults than me, and I'm still in a profound state of calm about it all.
I guess it's just been so long and such a pipe dream that I'm okay with letting things take their course. It's been 27 years since we've seen new Genestealer cult miniatures, and about 18 years since they were 100% official for 40K. Streak #1 is about to be broken, and hopefully streak #2 sees its end later this year.
Lord Scythican wrote: Here is a question for you all while we are waiting on cultists...What are the chances that Genestealer cultists will have access to Astra Militarium vehicles? I got a bunch that I want to sell, but while looking for cultist pics, I saw a lot with old IG vehicles.
The army list in the 2nd edition Tyranid codex gave them access to a bunch of IG stuff. I tend to think that they'll retain that, but in the form of battle brothers alliance with AM/IG rather than being baked into the list. The Harlequin or Admech setups would work perfectly for GCults...a few units, maybe a vehicle, a unique detachment and access to AM and Tyranid allies.
But we'll see. There hasn't been much talk of an actual GCult codex (or one for Deathwatch for that matter), so I'd guess that it's down the road a bit.
The army list in the 2nd edition Tyranid codex gave them access to a bunch of IG stuff. I tend to think that they'll retain that, but in the form of battle brothers alliance with AM/IG rather than being baked into the list. The Harlequin or Admech setups would work perfectly for GCults...a few units, maybe a vehicle, a unique detachment and access to AM and Tyranid allies.
Yeah...I don't see them getting Battle Brothers with AM/IG.
Ratius wrote: On the wishlisting front what are you guys hoping for?
Patriarch, different generation hyrids, new stealers, a magos and maybe a new creation or?
Brood brothers are awesome and part of the fluff, but a new design for them specifically is not entirely necessary, IG or just about any regular human models would be entirely appropriate as they are quite literally physically just regular humans, just stealer DNA carriers and hypnotized followers. 4th gen hybrids could technically need new models though, as they are still ever so slightly alien looking, though can easily pass for regular humans.
The models most in need of new plastic are the 1st - 3rd gen hybrids, and a Magus. These are the unique things that have no representation in plastic. Depending on how they spin things, a Patriarch could or could not be in the mix, but they would have to differentiate from a brood lord in a more obvious way than they currently do. I have a feeling that a broodlord = patriarch going forward though. If they did make a fatty patriarch though, I would be thrilled!
So yeah, it would be great to see them get an entirely unique range (or perhaps an upgrade sprue for 4th gen and brood brothers), but at the least, it has to be 1st - 3rd gen options and a magus to make me happy
Ratius wrote: On the wishlisting front what are you guys hoping for?
Patriarch, different generation hyrids, new stealers, a magos and maybe a new creation or?
Ratius wrote: On the wishlisting front what are you guys hoping for?
Patriarch, different generation hyrids, new stealers, a magos and maybe a new creation or?
Ratius wrote: On the wishlisting front what are you guys hoping for?
Patriarch, different generation hyrids, new stealers, a magos and maybe a new creation or?
A new Patriarch and Magus. Cool looking hybrid genestealers.
Hoping that Stealers get to kick arse and take names in CC.
The army list in the 2nd edition Tyranid codex gave them access to a bunch of IG stuff. I tend to think that they'll retain that, but in the form of battle brothers alliance with AM/IG rather than being baked into the list. The Harlequin or Admech setups would work perfectly for GCults...a few units, maybe a vehicle, a unique detachment and access to AM and Tyranid allies.
Yeah...I don't see them getting Battle Brothers with AM/IG.
On a fluff or game balance basis?
It couldn't be fluffier. That's what Brood Brothers ARE. And balance...is something that GW doesn't really pay close attention to these days.
I can't see GW making a cult limo since it's too specific a model, it's not like a Chimera or a Rhino that can be used by multiple forces which are also part of a larger army (as in more sales).
Ratius wrote: On the wishlisting front what are you guys hoping for?
Patriarch, different generation hyrids, new stealers, a magos and maybe a new creation or?
A proper Patriarch would be nice, although I'm betting on yet another Broodlord.
Magus
Hybrids (having parts on the sprue for different generations would be cool, but I don't think the rules would need to deal with generations)
Limo/transport
Could be a nice, compact release. We'll see...
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mechanicalhorizon wrote: I can't see GW making a cult limo since it's too specific a model, it's not like a Chimera or a Rhino that can be used by multiple forces which are also part of a larger army (as in more sales).
A somewhat more generic Imperial ground transport would be an interesting addition to the 40K range, however. Besides, Harlequins got the Starweaver...there's really no difference.
Ratius wrote: On the wishlisting front what are you guys hoping for? Patriarch, different generation hyrids, new stealers, a magos and maybe a new creation or?
Ratius wrote: On the wishlisting front what are you guys hoping for?
Patriarch, different generation hyrids, new stealers, a magos and maybe a new creation or?
Wishing? A cult limousine.
With Rims!
Remember these guys?
Are those chaos and khorne symbols on those genestealers and cultists??
Things worked a little differently back in the day... this was before Stealers were Tyranids, so there was such a thing as a chaos brood. At least in the artwork. I don't remember any actual story with a khorne genestealer or hybrid.
@Talys: Ah....that brings back memories. I think of all the armies I have played I still love GSC the best. My hybrids couldn't hit the broad side of a barn but I loved playing the army nonetheless.
MajorTom11 wrote: Things worked a little differently back in the day... this was before Stealers were Tyranids, so there was such a thing as a chaos brood. At least in the artwork. I don't remember any actual story with a khorne genestealer or hybrid.
Chaos Genestealer cults are possible with current fluff. Genestealers cults are independent from the Hive Mind and don't have its protection against Chaos so they could become corrupted.
mechanicalhorizon wrote: I can't see GW making a cult limo since it's too specific a model, it's not like a Chimera or a Rhino that can be used by multiple forces which are also part of a larger army (as in more sales).
That's the reason why GW would make a limo. How many players already have Chimeras and Rhinos? How common, cheap and easy is it for people to buy discounted and used Chimeras and Rhinos?
By making a very specific brand new kit would increase sales for GW as nobody has them as parts of other armies and now has to buy them (at prices that are proabbly higher then your average Chimeras and Rhinos *Cough Turox Cough*).
Yes. Back in the olden days you used to be able to have chaos worshipping stealer cults. This represented weaker cults that were having problems taking hold on their own. The cult has no real need to worship chaos, but they did occasionally use them for a temporary power boost.
The patriarch wouldn't really see much benefit to the deal, other than some temporary power boost, but the chaos gods would see it as a bargain as a genestealer was an easily coruptable gateway to the physical realms
mechanicalhorizon wrote: I can't see GW making a cult limo since it's too specific a model, it's not like a Chimera or a Rhino that can be used by multiple forces which are also part of a larger army (as in more sales).
Oh no totally not like Skitarii just got a spider tank or harlequins got the starweaver. Totally nothing
I want The Limo with rims dam it you know the illegal type that hypnotize your enemies
mechanicalhorizon wrote: I can't see GW making a cult limo since it's too specific a model, it's not like a Chimera or a Rhino that can be used by multiple forces which are also part of a larger army (as in more sales).
Oh no totally not like Skitarii just got a spider tank or harlequins got the starweaver. Totally nothing
I want The Limo with rims dam it you know the illegal type that hypnotize your enemies
Those also got full codex releases, with a full range of support kits and data cards.
As of now GSC is getting a board game and maybe some White Dwarf rules.
Nothing else has been confirmed or dated.
mechanicalhorizon wrote: I can't see GW making a cult limo since it's too specific a model, it's not like a Chimera or a Rhino that can be used by multiple forces which are also part of a larger army (as in more sales).
That's the reason why GW would make a limo. How many players already have Chimeras and Rhinos? How common, cheap and easy is it for people to buy discounted and used Chimeras and Rhinos?
By making a very specific brand new kit would increase sales for GW as nobody has them as parts of other armies and now has to buy them (at prices that are proabbly higher then your average Chimeras and Rhinos *Cough Turox Cough*).
My realistic wish list for a post-Deathwatch game release:
Magus
Patriarch
Hybrid Kit (multi-part plastics to make various generations)
Cult Limo and/or Truck (pull it off correctly, they could share a kit)
My not-so-likely wishlist:
Human Rabble (civilians with eclectic mix of weapons and no armor)
New Genestealer kit w/ options to "bling" them up a bit to represent their worshipped status among the cult, plus a Broodlord and/or Patriarch option as part of the kit like the Ork Boyz Nob option.
(This could do double duty as a more detailed Genestealer kit for non-cult Tyranid armies, using the newer tech to make more detailed models, not that the current Stealers are bad or anything.)
I would also love it if they could be Battle Brothers with Imperial Guard and Tyranids (but maybe not at the same time...?)
Has it been made clear yet whether the hybrids will be multi-part kits or monopose figures?
If they're going to be multi-part, I can't see GW not releasing them independently of this board game after awhile, and that would be the release I'd be most interested in.
Single figures like the Magus would likely be re-released, but at such a high price point that I wouldn't bother with them.
Vermonter wrote: Has it been made clear yet whether the hybrids will be multi-part kits or monopose figures?
If they're going to be multi-part, I can't see GW not releasing them independently of this board game after awhile, and that would be the release I'd be most interested in.
Single figures like the Magus would likely be re-released, but at such a high price point that I wouldn't bother with them.
I think it said that all the figures were monopose
The army list in the 2nd edition Tyranid codex gave them access to a bunch of IG stuff. I tend to think that they'll retain that, but in the form of battle brothers alliance with AM/IG rather than being baked into the list. The Harlequin or Admech setups would work perfectly for GCults...a few units, maybe a vehicle, a unique detachment and access to AM and Tyranid allies.
Yeah...I don't see them getting Battle Brothers with AM/IG.
On a fluff or game balance basis?
It couldn't be fluffier. That's what Brood Brothers ARE. And balance...is something that GW doesn't really pay close attention to these days.
PDF != IG/AM.
PDFs are a separate thing. IG/AM recruit from the ranks of the PDF and when worlds are conquered/scoured, injured/older Guardsmen can muster out for officer ranks in the newly founded PDF.
But that's getting granular to a level that doesn't exist in the game. There is no army list for PDF, and if someone was going to run them, they'd use the AM codex. Past incarnations of GCults had AM/IG gear in the army list to represent PDF equipment.
Besides, Brood Brothers don't even HAVE to be PDF. AM forces are stationed on planets that are at risk from GCults like any other. And what about units like the Ultramar Defense Auxilia that are probably equal in quality to regular AM?
gorgon wrote: But that's getting granular to a level that doesn't exist in the game. There is no army list for PDF, and if someone was going to run them, they'd use the AM codex. Past incarnations of GCults had AM/IG gear in the army list to represent PDF equipment.
Besides, Brood Brothers don't even HAVE to be PDF. AM forces are stationed on planets that are at risk from GCults like any other. And what about units like the Ultramar Defense Auxilia that are probably equal in quality to regular AM?
gorgon wrote: But that's getting granular to a level that doesn't exist in the game. There is no army list for PDF, and if someone was going to run them, they'd use the AM codex. Past incarnations of GCults had AM/IG gear in the army list to represent PDF equipment.
Besides, Brood Brothers don't even HAVE to be PDF. AM forces are stationed on planets that are at risk from GCults like any other. And what about units like the Ultramar Defense Auxilia that are probably equal in quality to regular AM?
HH book five: Tempest has an army list for cult/militia that can be used to represent a PDF force
Brood Brothers = any regular human. Take whatever models you like that fit that description for them I would say. I would imagine high ranking magos from AM would not be very susceptible to Stealer brood telepathy, due to lack of... equipment... and replacing good chunks of their brains.
I'm going to buy ten.... I can't control myself. The video teeeeeeeaswrrr! Look at those Cultists! And that Magos in the background!
Wallet, you can make it! Don't die on me now!
Also, Salamander Terminator there, and a Space wolf it looks.
PDFs are a separate thing. IG/AM recruit from the ranks of the PDF and when worlds are conquered/scoured, injured/older Guardsmen can muster out for officer ranks in the newly founded PDF.
We get it, we really do. But it's a big wide galaxy and there are some PDFs who would be equipped just as well as the IG. You think Marneus Calgar skimps on his Ultramar PDF? Besides, GW craps all over the fluff when it comes to selling models. As far as they're concerned, fluff is just stuff written by former employees waiting to be changed or retconned by current employees.
gorgon wrote: But that's getting granular to a level that doesn't exist in the game. There is no army list for PDF, and if someone was going to run them, they'd use the AM codex. Past incarnations of GCults had AM/IG gear in the army list to represent PDF equipment.
Well, actually there is a kind of army list for PDF in the form of the "Renegades and Heretics" or "Tyrant's Legion" lists. Both of them represent PDFs and the kind of equipment they normally have--and as a bonus, the Tyrant's Legion list from Badab is actually a good way of representing the Ultramar Defense Auxilia and their meshing with the Ultramarines.
Besides, Brood Brothers don't even HAVE to be PDF. AM forces are stationed on planets that are at risk from GCults like any other. And what about units like the Ultramar Defense Auxilia that are probably equal in quality to regular AM?
AM forces when stationed planetside might be at risk, but it's not like the GCults are suddenly getting their hands on Baneblades or crap like that. And we've already had others mention the fact that the fluff has established gene-testing is a thing for Guard stationed where GCults were/are active.
Also, is that a Broodlord/Patriarch attacking the SpaceWolf? It has different armor/chitin than the other stealers in shot. It also looks wider/stockier.
I'm glad to see Nid players finally getting their cultists but as a guy who kitbashed a large Deathwatch force, I'm not seeing any "must buy" items in this box.
Actual Hybrids. They're coming back to 40K. This is amazing!!!
And do you notice how one of the Hybrids in that pic has an autogun, the same one the classic Hybrid of old mini had?
Breotan wrote: I'm glad to see Nid players finally getting their cultists but as a guy who kitbashed a large Deathwatch force, I'm not seeing any "must buy" items in this box.
I have a similar opinion of the Deathwatch stuff. Two people in my group, myself included, have Deathwatch armies. Due to the RPG I have made dozens and dozens of unique one-off minis not even designed for regular 40K. My other friend used up a lot of hits bits at the end of last year making 200 (!) new Deathwatch Marines. The two of us need new DW Marines like we need a hole in the head (although DW Termies are always welcome).
But the Hybrids? That's a different story altogether...
Why are the hybrids wearing exo-skeletons? I thouhht gear like that wasn't available to anyone outside of groups like the Inquisition, the Sisters of Battle, and the Astartes?
Barzam wrote: Why are the hybrids wearing exo-skeletons? I thouhht gear like that wasn't available to anyone outside of groups like the Inquisition, the Sisters of Battle, and the Astartes?
If it's anything like the Genestealer Cultists from the "Tempestus" novella, it's not a "combat" exo-skeleton but rather it's repurposed civilian gear. Those cultists repurposed diving suits that had exoskeleton components for mining/commercial purposes so that they could "emulate those they worshiped".
) where the Deathwatch are fighting Dark Eldar, and a Space Wolf comments that his Deathwatch issued armour is better than his original armour.
