Well, if the box art is any indication, it looks like in addition to the Deathwatch team itself, there will be a Magus, purestrain genestealers, at least one generation of Hybrids (probably the same thing rules-wise). I'm not for sure, but is the larger, spikier genestealer the new Broodlord/patriarch?
I'm not seeing any human cultists though. Which is odd, I was sure they'd be in there.
While I didn't think there would be a cult limo, I was definitely hoping for it. Perhaps it is a later 40k release with the 40k rules for GS cults.
Anyone else notice that the chaplain looking marine in the center of the cover art is an Ultramarine. Since we've already seen a model for a bolter wielding sternguard Ultramarine I wonder whether the cover art is absolutely representative of the box contents.
The hybrid armor looks very heavily influence by the classic, the torso part was this molded plastic/leather looking hunchback design, with a main design element being the huge, almost helmetless astronaut style collars. the arms and legs tended to be more conventionally armored/dressed. They did use some degree of bionics and a variety of rarer seen firearms. Everything looks very true to the original and a natural evolution so far, which makes me happy as hell because it looks like the design lines up very nicely with the customs I did a few years back. Should have no problems adding these in seamlessly if the models hold true!
Bull0 wrote: Well, this is ruddy exciting. I didn't dare to believe the genestealer cult stuff, but it definitely looks legit.
You, me and everyone else it seems lol. Another notch on the belt for Hastings and Sad Panda.
I was told about GSC during the Skitarii release last year but it was one of those things that you hope is true but... suspect it may not appear due to problems.
I suspect this will tie in to two mini faction things (what I was led to believe) but who knows.
Unix wrote: Anyone else notice that the chaplain looking marine in the center of the cover art is an Ultramarine. Since we've already seen a model for a bolter wielding sternguard Ultramarine I wonder whether the cover art is absolutely representative of the box contents.
Pretty sure the UM chaplain is none other than Ortan Cassius. Looks a lot like him from where I'm sitting..
aka_mythos wrote: I find this all really exciting, but does anyone worry how GW can do a mini-codex for Deathwatch with just these fixed character miniatures?
Easy it never stopped them from releasing a blood angel kit after Space Hulk?
Unix wrote: Anyone else notice that the chaplain looking marine in the center of the cover art is an Ultramarine. Since we've already seen a model for a bolter wielding sternguard Ultramarine I wonder whether the cover art is absolutely representative of the box contents.
Pretty sure the UM chaplain is none other than Ortan Cassius. Looks a lot like him from where I'm sitting..
Yeah the character is supposedly a Blood Raven guy?
aka_mythos wrote: I find this all really exciting, but does anyone worry how GW can do a mini-codex for Deathwatch with just these fixed character miniatures?
No because I am not expecting a mini-codex.
I am expecting White Dwarf rules, nothing more.
Later in the year if and when they release stand alone minis like Sad Panda hinted at perhaps we will get a dex.
Sadly people jack up expectations and when things are great yet do not live up to inflated expectations people rage at Games Workshop.
Temper expectations and it is all bonus
Unix wrote: Anyone else notice that the chaplain looking marine in the center of the cover art is an Ultramarine. Since we've already seen a model for a bolter wielding sternguard Ultramarine I wonder whether the cover art is absolutely representative of the box contents.
Pretty sure the UM chaplain is none other than Ortan Cassius. Looks a lot like him from where I'm sitting..
Oh the only decent part of ultra marine fluff... I'm in the death watch now guys sorry.... also my face got better.
aka_mythos wrote: I find this all really exciting, but does anyone worry how GW can do a mini-codex for Deathwatch with just these fixed character miniatures?
No because I am not expecting a mini-codex.
I am expecting White Dwarf rules, nothing more.
Later in the year if and when they release stand alone minis like Sad Panda hinted at perhaps we will get a dex.
I think it's very likely you will get a mini dex, might be 8 months but you probably will.
Unix wrote: Anyone else notice that the chaplain looking marine in the center of the cover art is an Ultramarine. Since we've already seen a model for a bolter wielding sternguard Ultramarine I wonder whether the cover art is absolutely representative of the box contents.
Pretty sure the UM chaplain is none other than Ortan Cassius. Looks a lot like him from where I'm sitting..
Oh the only decent part of ultra marine fluff... I'm in the death watch now guys sorry.... also my face got better.
aka_mythos wrote: I find this all really exciting, but does anyone worry how GW can do a mini-codex for Deathwatch with just these fixed character miniatures?
No because I am not expecting a mini-codex.
I am expecting White Dwarf rules, nothing more.
Later in the year if and when they release stand alone minis like Sad Panda hinted at perhaps we will get a dex.
I think it's very likely you will get a mini dex, might be 8 months but you probably will.
That I am more able to believe and and will be great.
Unfortunately when there is not one next week people will flip out.
To be fair, we don't know when or where the game is set. How long has Cassius been in the Ultramarines? How much of that time has he spent with the Deathwatch? It seems fitting that a guy who had his face melted a good bit by nids, would want to kill a Stealer cult.
Count me in the camp that would've preferred more obscure chapters. Heck, new ones would've been cool. I understand that it would have been more expensive in both design man hours and possible sales lost by not selling to some First Founding fans, but with their plastic tech and monopose models they could've made some crazy unique SM. A Rhino-totemed Termi and a Gorilla chapter Assault Marine, a skull-collecting, psi-scythe wielding Scripto, a Samurai SM, whatever.
angelofvengeance wrote: To be fair, we don't know when or where the game is set. How long has Cassius been in the Ultramarines? How much of that time has he spent with the Deathwatch? It seems fitting that a guy who had his face melted a good bit by nids, would want to kill a Stealer cult.
Since at least before the first Tyrannic War. Based on his face - assuming it is him - this is before that.
Binabik15 wrote: Count me in the camp that would've preferred more obscure chapters. Heck, new ones would've been cool. I understand that it would have been more expensive in both design man hours and possible sales lost by not selling to some First Founding fans, but with their plastic tech and monopose models they could've made some crazy unique SM. A Rhino-totemed Termi and a Gorilla chapter Assault Marine, a skull-collecting, psi-scythe wielding Scripto, a Samurai SM, whatever.
No one says you can't have them as successor chapters. Most share a lot of iconography with their first founding chapters. That and it'd be super easy to convert some up.
**edit: While GW does make some silly decisions a good bit, they know that their first founders chapter stuff will sell well. Granted, pretty much anything Space Marine will sell well.
@HBMC: ok not face melted just yet if it is him, but I imagine seeing pretty much all of your chapter getting eaten will have the grudge-o-meter on maximum overload.
Veteran warrior Vael Donatus is hailed as a hero by the young firebrand Chaplain Cassius for employing the expertise of his brethren only recently returned from the hallowed ranks of the Deathwatch.
The Iron Hand Ennox Sorrlock has still become a formidable weapon of the Deathwatch Chapter. His mind is a logic engine with only one purpose – to slay the xenos. But when Chaplain Cassius offers him the chance to take part in a new mission against the same dark eldar raiders who crippled him and slaughtered all his brethren so many years before, Sorrlock’s lack of emotional response is... unexpected.
[EDIT]: I know this has been brought up before, but compare this thread to the Wulfen thread. It's an interesting contrast.
You mean this thread seems almost happy and that one was sounding the doombell?
Young Cassius huh .....
I guess the Genestealer that ripped his face of was like " oi you you killed my great uncle's wife's brother-in-law by Genestealer implantation, Now you die"
Cassius " U wot mate, ill bash you on the noggin I will "
This is quite exciting, but I am even more worried about the space hulk similarities. 10 space marines plus a younger version of a noted space marine hero against Genestealers. I know there are cultists in there too but it all seems a little lacking in creativity so far.
Just checking, there's been no indication yet that this will be a limited run/While Stocks Last product, has there? I know BaC is still around and has presumably thus had multiple print runs and is a permanent part of the range, I hope this is the same as I won't have the cash to pick one up for a while.
As I understand its going to be quite a large run. Can't say if its Ltd though but if it has unique figures usually they are.
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Paradigm wrote: Just checking, there's been no indication yet that this will be a limited run/While Stocks Last product, has there? I know BaC is still around and has presumably thus had multiple print runs and is a permanent part of the range, I hope this is the same as I won't have the cash to pick one up for a while.
If you definitely want one and probably can't pick it up for a month or two I might be able to help.
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Chikout wrote: This is quite exciting, but I am even more worried about the space hulk similarities. 10 space marines plus a younger version of a noted space marine hero against Genestealers. I know there are cultists in there too but it all seems a little lacking in creativity so far.
Theories are its based in the old Space Hulk expansion so it's similar
aka_mythos wrote: I find this all really exciting, but does anyone worry how GW can do a mini-codex for Deathwatch with just these fixed character miniatures?
No because I am not expecting a mini-codex.
I am expecting White Dwarf rules, nothing more.
Later in the year if and when they release stand alone minis like Sad Panda hinted at perhaps we will get a dex.
Sadly people jack up expectations and when things are great yet do not live up to inflated expectations people rage at Games Workshop.
Temper expectations and it is all bonus
The production schedules and leadtimes used by GW mean that any follow-up release for later this year is likely pretty much finished already. Going by the snippets from mister Panda (as well as recent GW behaviour) I expect the following to happen:
1) Deathstorm boxed game pre-orders next weekend
2) WD40k rules the following week for the models in the box, probably with some scenario rules too
3) A larger Harlequin-style release after the summer with the box models plus others (likely a new purestrain sculpt), along with a codex of some form.
Of course the quality of the rules are still widely open to debate... but I'm certain we will see them.
Binabik15 wrote: Count me in the camp that would've preferred more obscure chapters. Heck, new ones would've been cool. I understand that it would have been more expensive in both design man hours and possible sales lost by not selling to some First Founding fans, but with their plastic tech and monopose models they could've made some crazy unique SM. A Rhino-totemed Termi and a Gorilla chapter Assault Marine, a skull-collecting, psi-scythe wielding Scripto, a Samurai SM, whatever.
No one says you can't have them as successor chapters. Most share a lot of iconography with their first founding chapters. That and it'd be super easy to convert some up.
**edit: While GW does make some silly decisions a good bit, they know that their first founders chapter stuff will sell well. Granted, pretty much anything Space Marine will sell well.
@HBMC: ok not face melted just yet if it is him, but I imagine seeing pretty much all of your chapter getting eaten will have the grudge-o-meter on maximum overload.
Eh, it's not the ease of conversion or making them another chapter myself, I've done elaborate conversion work before. Whole sculpts, actually (and i'm more a "death to the false Emporer" kinda guy, though I love me some loyalists, FF chapters includes). But it's different from GW introducing some new chapters into their line with their own dedicated minis. It gives people without hobby skills like my brother morw options and it'd production capability used for something truly new and it might capture people's imagination in a big way. It was so cool when Armageddon brought Salamanders love, Black Templars were a nice additon before they became flavour of the month, etc. I'm ready for something fresh getting attention, that's all. Especially chapters with iconography and bling that's really different from existing kits.
But hey, if it's really just ten Marines (SH had 12 Termis, 13 if you count the dead one on his throne, which makes ten regular SM seem a bit lacking) I guess I'm happy that there's Iron Hands, Salamanders and Raven Guard love instead of even more wolfsword wielding wolfmarines shooting wolfbolts
And it's true, the real winners here should be the GC fans, getting the cultists and hybrids and the limo right is way more important than better SM.
There is almost always a proper pictute release on Monday so we should know the details by then. If this is actually a straight up space hulk expansion and not just a clone then I am all in.
Chikout wrote: There is almost always a proper pictute release on Monday so we should know the details by then. If this is actually a straight up space hulk expansion and not just a clone then I am all in.
I believe it's a stand alone one based on the old space hulk expansion that featured cult before vs I think it was Dark Angels?
There was an expansion called Deathwing, which allowed you to kit out your terminators in new and interesting ways, and brought in some additional rules for multi-level games and a mission generator.
Then there was an expansion called Genestealer which had rules for Hybrids, Psykers, new weapons and Grey Knights.
Bit of a missed oppurtunity not to change the skin tone in the cover art... they should be going more towards human skin coloring per generation, seems odd to have an almost human dude still completely stealer colored. Fortunately, I get to choose what paints I use, but still, would have made for a cooler GW scheme
MajorTom11 wrote: Bit of a missed oppurtunity not to change the skin tone in the cover art... they should be going more towards human skin coloring per generation, seems odd to have an almost human dude still completely stealer colored. Fortunately, I get to choose what paints I use, but still, would have made for a cooler GW scheme
Purple n pink is very striking compared to black n silver no?
Having done some googling it seems that this could be based on the space hulk campaigns book, which despite owning the original Space Hulk and Deathwing I had never even heard of until now. The book features regular space marines going up against Hybrids and purestrain stealers. It sounds interesting.
If you look for it, I think you could find that book fairly easily.
The book had rules for all kinds of stuff, including regular marines, hybrids etc, but if I am not crazy also rules for daemons and regular IG too besides a few others. It basically was a DIY type thing to use other models in SH.
Overkill? Really? I thought Deathstorm was a cheesy name, but Overkill is pretty bad. These names have to come from a meeting of non-creative types, right? Upper management has a meeting with Bob from accouting and some of his staffers, and the Studio is just told the product name when it comes time for them to bodge something together with the rules and art. I can't believe anyone who calls themself a writer would come up with the legit product name Overkill unless they were trolling their boss.
Chikout wrote: Having done some googling it seems that this could be based on the space hulk campaigns book, which despite owning the original Space Hulk and Deathwing I had never even heard of until now. The book features regular space marines going up against Hybrids and purestrain stealers. It sounds interesting.
Those rules were also in WD. I don't think the game is based on them - you could only field whole squads (tactical, devastator...) of PA Marines and their only strength was that you had more of them compared to Terminators (and they died quickly... ). Hybrids were introduced in Genestealer as an option - the mission with PA Marines (Denzark's Hammer) didn't use them.
The DW Marines on the other hand look like individuals with (I guess) special rules.
MajorTom11 wrote: The book had rules for all kinds of stuff, including regular marines, hybrids etc, but if I am not crazy also rules for daemons and regular IG too besides a few others. It basically was a DIY type thing to use other models in SH.
It was just a compilation of WD articles. Basically 4 campaigns (...) + rules/single mission for Traitor Terminators and PA Marines. And some cardboard tiles.
MajorTom11 wrote: If you look for it, I think you could find that book fairly easily.
The book had rules for all kinds of stuff, including regular marines, hybrids etc, but if I am not crazy also rules for daemons and regular IG too besides a few others. It basically was a DIY type thing to use other models in SH.
If GW called me and said they were going to make a boardgame with named Deathwatch Marines that tie in with RPG supplements, and a Genestealer Cult as antagonists, I would have to recommend against making it a Space Hulk expansion. And, I LOVE Space Hulk. I would point out that Space Hulk is out of production. So, that is a Buzz Kill for some customers. And, that Space Hulk is optimized for Terminators vs Genestealers. Power Armor and bad guys with guns will require more than a reprint of the old rules to work seamlessly. I would tell them that the Assassinorum "system" is slightly more flexible, more easily able to portray unique characters, and better for guys shooting at each other. And, I could be soooo very wrong.
Well colour me excited, I've been away and when I come back this is what I see, it's all reminding me of Space Crusade, and wondering whether it will be a similar play style, must get me some boxes, I was looking for a board game to keep me amused as well as Mordheim
I have suspected for a while now but now am 100% confident most photo leaks are intentional. It's just defies logic that there are NEVER clear photos. Most cell phone cameras have such good auto-focus you would have to TRY to take a blurry pic of a stationary object.
How much was Calth toted at when that was first revealed? I'm expecting it to have a similar degree of content, so similar price. I know the price was reduced for BaC, but I don't tend to buy direct from GW so have no idea of their idea of pricing
Presumably £100 then or about a million yen. Going by that price here is my prediction of the contents
11 marines, 1 broodlord, 1 magos, 5 purestrains, 10 Hybrids, 15 cultists. that would be 5 more models than BAC.
Well, that price has kind of cooled my interest.
I was braced for $150 as an absolute max for MSRP.
Will have to see what the contents including board game side of things are before final decision.
If it's another BaC engine game that'll help.
Maybe the box will have a full army of cultists including a limo, maybe it will include a 3d printer to make new floor tiles, or maybe it will include exactly the same contents as space hulk and I will die a little inside as I buy it anyway.
Chikout wrote: Maybe the box will have a full army of cultists including a limo, maybe it will include a 3d printer to make new floor tiles, or maybe it will include exactly the same contents as space hulk and I will die a little inside as I buy it anyway.
OoooohOOOOOOOHoohoohoohoohoohooh!! It's three I bet...It'sthreeit'sthreeit'sthree!!!!!!!!!!!!
MajorTom11 wrote: I'm gonna go against the grain and hope that the box contents justify the price in a great way... fingers crossed.
Agreed. Not sure how anyone can claim it's overpriced without knowing the contents.
Granted, it's GW so overpricing is likely, but still...
Calth? Not overpriced.
Start Collecting sets? Not overpriced.
GW has made alot of steps in the right direction.
Again, GW can fill the box with solid gold coins and candy and people on here and other boards will still crap all over it and find something to blame GW for.
Considering the insane cost of most boardgames these days to do not include models that can be used for your Warhammer needs, I think we will be in a good place.
Calth? Not overpriced.
Start Collecting sets? Not overpriced.
Wulfen? Overpriced.
Iron Priest? Overpriced.
Practically any of the AoS stuff? Overpriced.
I don't blame people for being a little hesitant at the price tag, but like I said, I hope the contents justifies it.
BloodGrin wrote: GW has made alot of steps in the right direction.
They certainly have, but the old ways still manifest now and again.
As you seem to have ignored the fact that I wasn't actually calling Deathwatch overpriced, I'll say it again, I don't know how people can call it overpriced seeing as we don't know the contents.
MajorTom11 wrote: I'm gonna go against the grain and hope that the box contents justify the price in a great way... fingers crossed.
Agreed. Not sure how anyone can claim it's overpriced without knowing the contents.
Granted, it's GW so overpricing is likely, but still...
Calth? Not overpriced.
Start Collecting sets? Not overpriced.
GW has made alot of steps in the right direction.
Again, GW can fill the box with solid gold coins and candy and people on here and other boards will still crap all over it and find something to blame GW for.
Considering the insane cost of most boardgames these days to do not include models that can be used for your Warhammer needs, I think we will be in a good place.
Agreed on most points---their starter sets are pretty good value--- but GW do jack up still.
I thought Calth was a decent value but I'm looking at it from board game territory and $165 is still swinging for the fences even with FFG pricing on Star Wars-licensed products.
Nice hyperbole on the solid gold coins.
Calth? Not overpriced.
Start Collecting sets? Not overpriced.
Wulfen? Overpriced.
Iron Priest? Overpriced.
Practically any of the AoS stuff? Overpriced.
I don't blame people for being a little hesitant at the price tag, but like I said, I hope the contents justifies it.
BloodGrin wrote: GW has made alot of steps in the right direction.
They certainly have, but the old ways still manifest now and again.
As you seem to have ignored the fact that I wasn't actually calling Deathwatch overpriced, I'll say it again, I don't know how people can call it overpriced seeing as we don't know the contents.
I thought Wulfen were overpriced until I actually dug into the kit.
There is amazing detail and a huge ton of extra bits and options which will be used.
Iron Priest? Maybe, I am just glad the torso is separate
Yeah, I'd be hesitant to say Wulfen are overpriced based off the bitz left over. I think the models themselves aren't great, but lots of leftovers for smacking on random stuff.
Could you combine the Wulfen leftovers with a Wolf Pack to make more Wulfen? Could get the 15-man Blood Claw kit with a Wulfen kit to make 10 Wulfen and 10 Grey Hunters.
I worry that the DW kit is going to be like Space Hulk. Lots of good minis, just not worth it just for the minis.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Could you combine the Wulfen leftovers with a Wolf Pack to make more Wulfen? Could get the 15-man Blood Claw kit with a Wulfen kit to make 10 Wulfen and 10 Grey Hunters.
I worry that the DW kit is going to be like Space Hulk. Lots of good minis, just not worth it just for the minis.
I have left over MK IV armor pieces from some Calth sets due to Thousand Sons upgrade kits and are using that with left over Wulfen bits to make some more.
SHOULD look great...even I can't mess that up lol
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Good question. Haven't seen the Wulfen with my own eyes, but I think they're mounted on 40mm bases. Make of that as you will I guess.
Yup, 40mm bases, there's a ton of bitz in the box, and they're a decent amount taller than terminators, for the same price as the 5 man BA Assault Terminator box.
So I've had a think about this last night, and it feels to me like we'll see a set up like Space Hulk.
11 Deathwatch marines +chaplain
22 Stealer hybrids/purestrain +patriarch/broodlord
**edit: guess it's the genestealer turn to be a pain with psyker mojo...
Am I the only one that notices GW is creeping further and further away from Heroic? Those proportions seem like they're pretty well on their way to being regular 28mm. Not overly stumpy or bloated looking.. knees seem like they're in the right places.. hands and feet not massive. When I'm drawing, a typical proportion guide for chest width is roughly two heads wide for the chest at the shoulder level. That's what I'm seeing here.
Wow!!!!!! Freaking amazing sculpts - and looks like a good set of models! 12x 1st and 2nd gen, 4x 3rd gen, 8x 4th gen, 4x mutants things and a Magus and a Primus!? Oh and 2x genestealers too,
So 32-ish models?
I love the grenade launcher and heavy. A Necromunda gang in the box ;-)
12 x 1st/2nd gen hybrids
4 x 3rd gen hybrids with autoguns
2 x 3rd gen hybrids with gren launchers
8 x 4th gen with autoguns
2 x purestrain
2 x mining lasers
4 x Aberrants (2 pick/2 hammer)
Those are excellent, nice to see GW recognising how great their old designs are and improving upon them, rather than releasing bland garbage for AoS.
Please let this be a step in the right direction.
Well, as the sneak peeks continue, what you get in the box isn't looking worse.
Plus, on a purely personal bias, as an Ultramarine collector, the Cassius is a no brainer. I may even try a head swap with a spare 2nd Ed Chaplain so he can still have a bionic face.
Wondrous. Glorious. Ruinously expensive. I'll take two
Seriously though, I'm extremely impressed, the details are fantastic, and I love that they've come up with a fluff justification(mining gear) for the Cult attire having a unique look. Hell I thought the "I'll take two" bit was a joke, but I already have half a dozen ideas for INQ28 conversions, so I'll just have to hope there will be some left to pick up an extra the month after release.
I don't know what's up with GW these days, just when you think they're back to screwing folk on price they put out Calth and the Start Collecting boxes; just when you think they've forgotten the value of their own IP they bring out Mechanicus and Cult models; just when you think all their talented sculptors have either left or been instructed to work the CAD software using only their left earlobe, we get these stunners. All of those things are good, of course, it's just confusing that the same studio is shifting so radically in attitude or quality from one release to the next.
EDIT: Ohhhh myyyy, the bitz, the glorious glorious bitz. New servo-skulls, the heads, finally a good quality Deathwatch shoulderpad for artscale Marines, and by god I think that's a plastic MKII/III backpack on the Iron Hand(and, shock-horror, I actually prefer it to the FW design). Oooh, and a cyber-bird. I'm actually more excited for this than I was for BaC - kudos GW, kudos.
The cultists are really cool, but seriously, the Deathwatch models. My God, they are probably the coolest thing GW has ever made. So much character, such amazing miniatures!
I'm so excited for this. I really hope they release a formation or detachment along with this box for the Deathwatch. A formation that includes these characters would be so freaking cool, with special rules. PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN!
After expecting to see just 10 basic marines and actually see a librarian, a chaplain, a salamander pyro with kick ass candle on his head and a white scar biker.
Then I had really low expectations for the cult, just wasnt a fan of the original look. Then I see these sculpts and im sitting into my chair like.
The price does put me off a bit but holy are they tempting to use for mutants in a renegades army.
Yes, the pull to buy multiple boxes is strong. On the background side of things does a marine keep the deathwatch shoulder pad after returning to his chapter?
The only thing they don't offer and I never dared to dream is a) a way to make some Imperial civillians and b) a pretty woman cultist with a stubber and a claw hand to flick away her long braided hair (yes, I read and love the Cain novels ).
The price does sting, especially considering you got Termis instead of servo Marines in Space Hulk*. And like the DW guys, but I'm not head over heels fallen for them. Maybe I shold buy the set and sell some of them on ebay and replace them with selfmade ones to help pay for the set. Or trade them with someone here. It isn't some limited release or anything, right?
*Which I bought two copies of the first, limited remake, because my preorders on GWUK and DE both went through with only one confirmation. I didn't have the heart to sell it on ebay for thrice the price, so one copy remains in it's shipping bubble wrap for...later
ImperiumsFinest wrote: Yes, the pull to buy multiple boxes is strong. On the background side of things does a marine keep the deathwatch shoulder pad after returning to his chapter?
Yes. He repaints the rest of his armor to match his chapter, but keeps his DW shoulder pad.
That is an amazing box set - sooooo thankful that they haven't ruined the Hybrids. I remember buying that WD with the cult rules in so long ago and cant believe its taken them so long to get back to them!
Marines look great too - I bought BAC for a 1K Sons 30K force but now can use these as Knights Errant in that game as well (more interesting than Ultras vs WBearers)
H.B.M.C, I don't think I've ever seen you as excited...
I'm too happy. I'm waiting for a meteor to fall and hit me.
Even the purebreed have been redone, as sorta in between the classic Genestealers and the current multi-part kit.
MLaw wrote: Am I the only one that notices GW is creeping further and further away from Heroic? Those proportions seem like they're pretty well on their way to being regular 28mm. Not overly stumpy or bloated looking.. knees seem like they're in the right places.. hands and feet not massive. When I'm drawing, a typical proportion guide for chest width is roughly two heads wide for the chest at the shoulder level. That's what I'm seeing here.
I think its just a by product of the thinner spindly Genestealer's proportions when blended with humanoid characteristics. These seems quite comparable in proportions to the Chaos Cultists. It's not worth comparing either to the Imperial Guard mini's whose proportions are just their own thing too removed from the rest of the game's scale.
The variety in the cultists is impressive, as is the biker. £100 is a lot to put down in one go but at £2 a model it is a decent value. They have actually been very well painted too. Still waiting for the board pictures.
Chikout wrote: The variety in the cultists is impressive, as is the biker. £100 is a lot to put down in one go but at £2 a model it is a decent value. They have actually been very well painted too. Still waiting for the board pictures.
The board might be the deciding factor between 1 or 2 boxes. Deadly serious.
I do have a problem with owning two of that Magus model. I hate having duplicates (Marines don't bother me as those can be converted, easily).
They should re-release Space Hulk and then produce a campaign pack so you can swap models between game systems (e.g. Blood Angel Terminators versus cultists on a spaceship).
I am incredibly impressed with these models. I might actually pick one up, which I had no intentions to do before now. Hoping it's not limited edition or something stupid.
Souleater wrote: In the original fluff the Patriarch was the oldest Genestealer of the original infestation, grown corpulent of the devotion of his progeny.
Imagine if a modern era Broodlord had made it to retirement age and got out of shape. Taken up locall politics, etc.
The Marine figures are very nice. I look forward to watching them die at the hands of the Brotherhood... muhahahahaah
Aware of this, I'm just spit-balling that maybe the Patriarch was retconned into the Broodlord and this guy was put in place of the Patriarch? We will have to wait and see how they expand the range, if at all.
ImAGeek wrote: I am incredibly impressed with these models. I might actually pick one up, which I had no intentions to do before now. Hoping it's not limited edition or something stupid.
I'm hearing it is but a much larger run than they've done before
H.B.M.C. wrote: Waitasecond... there are Genestealer Familiars here. Genestealer Familiars! Talk about reaching back into the history of 40k.
I just happen to have 12 of the original little buggers. They're so cute (and terrifying!).
Was that an old school thing too then?
Yes. The 1st edition Genestealer Cult army list (which was a brood that had turned to the worship of Chaos) could have daemonic familiars for any psychic cult members. They were usually shaped like miniature genestealers. You can see the originals here:
I am guessing the first and second gen cultists will be duplicates. I don't see any others though. The most disappointing part of the space hulk reboot was the duplicate stealers. P.s. No board pictures yet?
Souleater wrote: In the original fluff the Patriarch was the oldest Genestealer of the original infestation, grown corpulent of the devotion of his progeny.
Imagine if a modern era Broodlord had made it to retirement age and got out of shape. Taken up locall politics, etc.
The Marine figures are very nice. I look forward to watching them die at the hands of the Brotherhood... muhahahahaah
Aware of this, I'm just spit-balling that maybe the Patriarch was retconned into the Broodlord and this guy was put in place of the Patriarch? We will have to wait and see how they expand the range, if at all.
From what I can gather there's going to be a campaign book thing like fenris bookended by the two mini armies... I'm not 100% on that but due to my very limited polish that's what I got from my conversation
migooo wrote: From what I can gather there's going to be a campaign book thing like fenris bookended by the two mini armies... I'm not 100% on that but due to my very limited polish that's what I got from my conversation
Pair that with Tyranids afterwards to expand and possibly include the GSC, and I'll be a happy bug. Lots to look forward to.
Chikout wrote: I am guessing the first and second gen cultists will be duplicates. I don't see any others though. The most disappointing part of the space hulk reboot was the duplicate stealers. P.s. No board pictures yet?
But only two of each if my maths is right. That means it's easy to switch heads around and so on to make the all unique; that's what I did with the dark heresy cultists.
Souleater wrote: In the original fluff the Patriarch was the oldest Genestealer of the original infestation, grown corpulent of the devotion of his progeny.
Imagine if a modern era Broodlord had made it to retirement age and got out of shape. Taken up locall politics, etc.
The Marine figures are very nice. I look forward to watching them die at the hands of the Brotherhood... muhahahahaah
Aware of this, I'm just spit-balling that maybe the Patriarch was retconned into the Broodlord and this guy was put in place of the Patriarch? We will have to wait and see how they expand the range, if at all.
From what I can gather there's going to be a campaign book thing like fenris bookended by the two mini armies... I'm not 100% on that but due to my very limited polish that's what I got from my conversation
I think if the Patriarch shows up again it'll be something like this. The current Broodlord being a sergeant level model what ever leads the army should reasonably be superior to just a sergeant type.
They should re-release Space Hulk and then produce a campaign pack so you can swap models between game systems (e.g. Blood Angel Terminators versus cultists on a spaceship).
As in there's a mining colony or something on a Space Hulk/asteroid maybe?
Really, really impressed with these- the cult models are fantastic and the painting is just gorgeous. I wasn't a big fan of the old cult and I hated the purple scheme but these are wonderful- definitely getting this and looking forward to seeing the brood lord/patriarch. The marines are pretty nice as well and I'm not a big fan of marines. Very impressive.
silverstu wrote: Really, really impressed with these- the cult models are fantastic and the painting is just gorgeous. I wasn't a big fan of the old cult and I hated the purple scheme but these are wonderful- definitely getting this and looking forward to seeing the brood lord/patriarch. The marines are pretty nice as well and I'm not a big fan of marines. Very impressive.
Actually I'm not a fan of the painting scheme on the cult compared to the box. Ill be going old school
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mazik765 wrote: This recent string of GW releases make me think that SoB might be....possible
I don't remember abbarnts in the original fluff but my god they look awesome. I really hope this isn't a limited release because I am beyond broke right now and there is no way I can afford that price right now.
migooo wrote: Put the flame guy in front ..... fire....
Regarding the Space Hulk crossover. Current SH is based on 1st ed (like 90+%). Psychic powers got fixed and there are other changes but you should be able to use 1st ed material in today's game.
Aberrants old school too or are they new? Don't think I've seen any models from back in the day for those.
Don't think so, but they could be mutant Genestealer hybrids now? Gotta give them more stuff if they're getting a possible army book... -crossesfingers-
TomWB wrote: These may well be the nicest models GW has ever released...
Expect to see those 4th gen hybrids used as the base of many, many Inq28 conversions.
Already planned uses for my 4th gens: actual 4th gens, 30K Strike Force Alpha Legion Operatives(hooded heads & cloaks added, weapons converted to silenced SMGs), and 40K INQ28 Rogue Trader armsmen(diving suit-style locking cuffs added to suit, quilted tabard on torso, air supply on back, and armoured helmets). Maybe also servitors or AdMech menials. The Primus will make an excellent radical Inquisitor with psychic hood with only a few tweaks. The Aberrants will likely end up as the basis for a lot of cool Abhuman/Twist conversions. It's like an entire box full of WHFB Nurgle Lord models, from an INQ28 perspective
I honestly didn't think I could be more hyped for a GW release than I was for the various Mechanicus/Mechanicum releases, but it's happening.
Aberrants old school too or are they new? Don't think I've seen any models from back in the day for those.
Don't think so, but they could be mutant Genestealer hybrids now? Gotta give them more stuff if they're getting a possible army book... -crossesfingers-
From what I read just on the pictures are they the initial implanted people?
From what I read just on the pictures are they the initial implanted people?
I doubt that about the Abberants, the original hosts stay their native race, but are mind-slaves. The Abberants have to come later on, during one of the generations.
TomWB wrote: These may well be the nicest models GW has ever released...
Expect to see those 4th gen hybrids used as the base of many, many Inq28 conversions.
Already planned uses for my 4th gens: actual 4th gens, 30K Strike Force Alpha Legion Operatives(hooded heads & cloaks added, weapons converted to silenced SMGs), and 40K INQ28 Rogue Trader armsmen(diving suit-style locking cuffs added to suit, quilted tabard on torso, air supply on back, and armoured helmets). Maybe also servitors or AdMech menials. The Primus will make an excellent radical Inquisitor with psychic hood with only a few tweaks. The Aberrants will likely end up as the basis for a lot of cool Abhuman/Twist conversions. It's like an entire box full of WHFB Nurgle Lord models, from an INQ28 perspective
I honestly didn't think I could be more hyped for a GW release than I was for the various Mechanicus/Mechanicum releases, but it's happening.
Well that is a simply beautiful set of minis. This better still be around in a few months... The price is high, but if you can knock 20% of by going through an online discounter it isn't actually too horrific, if there really are 50 minis plus tiles plus rules...
Paradigm wrote: Well that is a simply beautiful set of minis. This better still be around in a few months... The price is high, but if you can knock 20% of by going through an online discounter it isn't actually too horrific, if there really are 50 minis plus tiles plus rules...
If you think of every death watch guy as a character its really not bad pricing with the discount
Yeah, totally. Genestealer Familiars are a really obscure part of 40K's distant history. There were two, I believe, sculpts made. They're like Snotling sized, but unmistakably Genestealers.
Souleater wrote: Imagine if a modern era Broodlord had made it to retirement age and got out of shape. Taken up locall politics, etc.
Genestealer Patriarchs are lazy. They just go on speaking tours at local community colleges and take money from being on several company boards.
Aberrants seem to be new, I just flicked through 40k Compilation, WD 145, C: Tyranids 2nd and CJ 40.
Suicide squads are missing from 1st ed... Not looking like they are the much similiar, though.
Also there was a bit of randomness in the old unit entries like 3rd gen Hybrids had a 50% chance of being born with an oviporator. So maybe they split the unit because of this.
Yeah, totally. Genestealer Familiars are a really obscure part of 40K's distant history. There were two, I believe, sculpts made. They're like Snotling sized, but unmistakably Genestealers.
That's pretty nice then What about Aberrants though?
I was wrong, three sculpts as per AndrewGPaul's link.
angelofvengeance wrote: Aberrants old school too or are they new? Don't think I've seen any models from back in the day for those.
Definitely new, and a nice thing to add to the fluff for them as well. I love the idea that some of the Hybrids don't work out quite right, not forming the usual 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Generations that are all quite distinct in how they differ from one another. These guys are almost like the bits between each generation, like the odd one here that falls through the cracks and takes on far more of the original Purestrain's form, whist still clearly being a Hybrid but without the human-like intelligence.
Very cool idea. The 4 minis lack the variety I'd like to see (the two with the picks appear to have duplicated arms, which is a bit sad), but they are a very cool concept. Almost Genestealer meets an Ogre in a weird kinda way.
Yodhrin wrote: I honestly didn't think I could be more hyped for a GW release than I was for the various Mechanicus/Mechanicum releases, but it's happening.
Yeah, totally. Genestealer Familiars are a really obscure part of 40K's distant history. There were two, I believe, sculpts made. They're like Snotling sized, but unmistakably Genestealers.
That's pretty nice then What about Aberrants though?
Aberrants are definitely new but really their existence is kind of logical; for all that the Hive Mind is awesome at genetic engineering, 'stealers only have their own pocket hives to do the heavy lifting so occasional incompatibility between the brood-seed and the host should be inevitable. Really it's a miracle the whole thing works at all, even with Hollywood genetics, so occasional bugs are totally in line.
I thought GC's were a pretty stupid idea before, and I didn't care for the old models (and the limo would be highly out of place in 40k), but these models are simply, awesome.
I hope this is around for awhile. I'm on a no purchasing pledge for now, but I may break it for this
Warhams-77 wrote: Aberrants seem to be new, I just flicked through 40k Compilation, WD 145, C: Tyranids 2nd and CJ 40.
Suicide squads are missing from 1st ed... Not looking like they are the much similiar, though.
Also there was a bit of randomness in the old unit entries like 3rd gen Hybrids had a 50% chance of being born with an oviporator. So maybe they split the unit because of this.
Wasn't there mutants of a sort? I seem to remember brood mutants that were petty much suicide troops.
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When GW makes bad models (Fyreslayers, Wulfen) they do deserve the scorn and derision they get.
When they get it right, they deserve to bask in our adulation.
I really like the cult figures (would never have imagined that they would actually become a reality). Those heavy worker suits of theirs just scream out to be used in warbands and various conversions. I can't wait to see what cool stuff people comes up with, and that's just for use outside of actual genestealer cults.
While the cultists is a homerun, the marines is a bit uninspired. Models look good in and of themselves, but it's really not playing to what IMO makes deathwatch interesting. How many from the first founding chapters again? And how flanderized can you get? Raven guard dude with lightning claws and jump pack? White scar biker? Robed Dark angel? Wow, never seen that before
Anyay, that's a small gripe. At least those marines can be split up and used as characters in other armies and we can easily make our own deathwatch team with a more inspired selection of chapter representatives. The cult are the true stars of this release and they are mouthwatering.
silverstu wrote: Really, really impressed with these- the cult models are fantastic and the painting is just gorgeous. I wasn't a big fan of the old cult and I hated the purple scheme but these are wonderful- definitely getting this and looking forward to seeing the brood lord/patriarch. The marines are pretty nice as well and I'm not a big fan of marines. Very impressive.
Actually I'm not a fan of the painting scheme on the cult compared to the box. Ill be going old school
I have a thing about purple schemes.. they just look wrong.. *twitches*
And there is the Patriarch- impressive- nice divergence from the other two [although they all seem to like perching on things..]
Well played GW. Those look fantastic. Fingers crossed for a Genestealer Cult codex down the line! Would be wonderful for Tyranids to finally be able to ally.
Today sees a long overdue addition to the cult in the shape of brother Faust. He's a 2nd generation hybrid, and a big fellow at that. That's a ripper gun he's got there, so he'll operate as support for his smaller brethren. A fun model to paint, I do love the ribbed armour. Here he is with one of his smaller fellows.
There's probably some ogryn DNA is there somewhere. Heck, that's probably his granddads gun. I'm looking forward to getting some game time in with him. Praise the allfather!
PS: I'm also thinking about turning this into 40k Zombicide if the Overkill rules aren't good/easy to grasp for young relatives or noobs. I'd just need scans of ZC boards and cards to photoshop them to 40k gear and print it all. But I have only BP oming up (I didn't get wave 1 stuff), so no machine gun stats :doh
Seeing these models makes me think of that scene in Conan the Barbarian, where Thulsa Doom is preaching at the top of the ziggurat and is killed by Conan. Now do a character swap and have Kirby as Thulsa Doom and Rountree as Conan... That's what's just happened at GWlol.
Gotto admit... not sold on the big tail it's got. Otherwise, awesome.
The board has me worried. If it's a board ala Assassination Force (or whatever that game was called) I will not be happy.
Zywus wrote: When GW makes bad models (Fyreslayers, Wulfen) they do deserve the scorn and derision they get.
When they get it right, they deserve to bask in our adulation.
That's why it always annoys me when a certain few at this place accuse me (and others) of always being down on GW. I have always had, and made no secret of the fact that that I have a strong 'credit where credit's due' policy. Sigmarines? Dwyrf Fyrslyrs? Utter garbage.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Gotto admit... not sold on the big tail it's got. Otherwise, awesome.
The board has me worried. If it's a board ala Assassination Force (or whatever that game was called) I will not be happy.
The board looks like it is individual rectangular tiles- you can see the edges. The tail also gives him the same profile as the stealer cult glyph.. does look a wee bit odd though.
PS: I'm also thinking about turning this into 40k Zombicide if the Overkill rules aren't good/easy to grasp for young relatives or noobs. I'd just need scans of ZC boards and cards to photoshop them to 40k gear and print it all. But I have only BP oming up (I didn't get wave 1 stuff), so no machine gun stats :doh
Only if we agree the ratskins retun to how they looked originally and not the trash they came up with later
angelofvengeance wrote: Seeing these models makes me think of that scene in Conan the Barbarian, where Thulsa Doom is preaching at the top of the ziggurat and is killed by Conan. Now do a character swap and have Kirby as Thulsa Doom and Rountree as Conan... That's what's just happened at GWlol.
Kirby: "I am the wellspring, from which you flow. When I am gone, you will have never been. What will your world be, without me? My son."
Rountree: "Lets find out" -brutal beheading followed by toss the cabbage. Followed by a mic drop-
Got to say this is the best GW release I've seen in a long time. I've always liked the fluff behind GC but always thought the models looked very of their time but GW have definitely gone above and beyond with this box.
I hope there'll be a proper fat Patriarch to kill (do an exansion do an expansion, do an expansion) but that's a GREAT Broodlord.
oh now i cant unsee that
H.B.M.C. wrote:Gotto admit... not sold on the big tail it's got. Otherwise, awesome.
The board has me worried. If it's a board ala Assassination Force (or whatever that game was called) I will not be happy.
Zywus wrote: When GW makes bad models (Fyreslayers, Wulfen) they do deserve the scorn and derision they get.
When they get it right, they deserve to bask in our adulation.
That's why it always annoys me when a certain few at this place accuse me (and others) of always being down on GW. I have always had, and made no secret of the fact that that I have a strong 'credit where credit's due' policy. Sigmarines? Dwyrf Fyrslyrs? Utter garbage.
These though? Holy crap they're amazing.
Come on, Alien is THE inspiration for ´stealers, gotta have one with a tail thrusted between it's legs, ready to seed the galaxy with corruption. Poor Lambert.
On GW kits in general, I agree that thy still do great stuff. The Blightking box has so many nice things. Compare that to the Wrathmongers from the same time. Urgh. The Kings are so expensive that I only got a few bits from resellers, though, so there's still that with GW's current offerings.
PS: Plastic SoBs? Is the world going to end soon? If you can build the classic SoB-with-heavy-bolter. Or multiples of her I chose a good time to try and get my brother into Kill Team, I think. So many great releases that I never thought would be seen (again). Perfect to make many small warbands.
PPS: That's what I get for typing slowly on a phone, sorry for not repsonding to the others abut tailgate migoo, we have a deal IF there's a giant undead rat in it for me. Whyyy didn't I buy it when I had the chance.
The Genestealer Cult models seem a bit light in numbers, since they have 11 Deathwatch Marines to contend with. The quality makes up for the lack of numbers though.
It'll be interesting to see how this ties in with taking a larger Genestealer Cult force in 40K. They've fleshed out the range far more than I would have dared dream already. If they release more models in a few months time to supplement what you get in the board game I'll be very happy.
Getting a bit ahead of myself here though. Gotta get my hands on the board game first!
I love the sex-tail pose of the patriarch, I see a nod to the old cult symbol. I mean the cultists worship it, obviously they are going to have its likeness on their flag!
According to the leaker on tg there are 39 cultists, 11 deathwatch, 8 double sided board tiles, 44 cards, a ruler, six dice and a rule book. The boards do look like the ones from the assassins game though. He also confirmed the price as £100.
El Torro wrote: The Genestealer Cult models seem a bit light in numbers, since they have 11 Deathwatch Marines to contend with. The quality makes up for the lack of numbers though.
... oh no that picture doesn't cluster all of the GC in the box. Someone said around 36-37 models
Chikout wrote: According to the leaker on tg there are 39 cultists, 11 deathwatch, 8 double sided board tiles, 44 cards, a ruler, six dice and a rule book. The boards do look like the ones from the assassins game though. He also confirmed the price as £100.
50 figures of this quality (even if I don't like all the marines) for £2 each? This will be my first GW spend excepting paints since Space Hulk - well done to whoever at GW put this together - more of this and you'll win a customer back.
Full content of the box (for 100 pounds/165us dollars):
11 Deathwatch models
1 Genestealer Magus
1 Primus
4 Aberrants
2 Genestealers
2 Familiars
28 Hybrids
Patriarch (feth i forgot to scan him with the rest of guys)
Rulebook
8 doublesided board tiles
44 cards
ruler and 6 dice
Assuming it's not been lost in translation here, 8 tiles is a lot of space when you consider there's a biker and jump pack marines in the Kill Team, as well as a terminator teleport beacon.
Hats off to the sculptors/designers though, they managed to turn my pathetically low expectations into an urge to impulse buy immediately. Thats a job well done.
El Torro wrote: The Genestealer Cult models seem a bit light in numbers, since they have 11 Deathwatch Marines to contend with. The quality makes up for the lack of numbers though.
... oh no that picture doesn't cluster all of the GC in the box. Someone said around 36-37 models
Oh right, even better
GW have really upped the ante since Execution Force. From 4 new models in the box to 50. If they keep releasing new board games that are worth buying I'll keep buying them.
I'm not sure what would get me as excited as this release though. Like many people I'd like to see more support for Sisters of Battle, though I'd rather see a full release than a board game.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Gotto admit... not sold on the big tail it's got. Otherwise, awesome.
The board has me worried. If it's a board ala Assassination Force (or whatever that game was called) I will not be happy.
Zywus wrote: When GW makes bad models (Fyreslayers, Wulfen) they do deserve the scorn and derision they get.
When they get it right, they deserve to bask in our adulation.
That's why it always annoys me when a certain few at this place accuse me (and others) of always being down on GW. I have always had, and made no secret of the fact that that I have a strong 'credit where credit's due' policy. Sigmarines? Dwyrf Fyrslyrs? Utter garbage.
El Torro wrote: The Genestealer Cult models seem a bit light in numbers, since they have 11 Deathwatch Marines to contend with. The quality makes up for the lack of numbers though.
... oh no that picture doesn't cluster all of the GC in the box. Someone said around 36-37 models
Oh right, even better
GW have really upped the ante since Execution Force. From 4 new models in the box to 50. If they keep releasing new board games that are worth buying I'll keep buying them.
I'm not sure what would get me as excited as this release though. Like many people I'd like to see more support for Sisters of Battle, though I'd rather see a full release than a board game.
If they did insist on testing the waters with a boardgame though, they have a solid subject for one; Sanctuary 101, Sisters v Necrons, and you could do a fair number of sisters models if you had a small group of bigger Necrons as the enemy.
El Torro wrote: The Genestealer Cult models seem a bit light in numbers, since they have 11 Deathwatch Marines to contend with. The quality makes up for the lack of numbers though.
... oh no that picture doesn't cluster all of the GC in the box. Someone said around 36-37 models
Oh right, even better
GW have really upped the ante since Execution Force. From 4 new models in the box to 50. If they keep releasing new board games that are worth buying I'll keep buying them.
I'm not sure what would get me as excited as this release though. Like many people I'd like to see more support for Sisters of Battle, though I'd rather see a full release than a board game.
If they did insist on testing the waters with a boardgame though, they have a solid subject for one; Sanctuary 101, Sisters v Necrons, and you could do a fair number of sisters models if you had a small group of bigger Necrons as the enemy.
Yeah a bunch of Immortals lead by a Cryptek with a praetorian or two would make a better "investigatory raid" force than basic warriors and a lord. Not sure what to do with the old jetbike dude though.
People have bad math skills.
There are 50 models (one of which is a bike) plus a homer beacon and servo skull.
11 deathwatch (not including homer beacon or servo skull)
And 39 cult members
Patriarch
magus
Primarch
2 familiar
2 pure strains
2 laser cutters
4 abhorrent (2 hammer/2picks)
6 first gen 6 second gen 6 third gen 8 fourth gen
Also can't wait to see rules for that patriarch in 40k. Dear I say genestealers are going to be good again especially when they can have psychic shenanigans too.
The only thing I really want is the termie in multiples, and first gen hybrids, that devastator maybe, the iron hand, the sternguard, also clasic stealers ofc, not that I have 20 already and 120+ in total lol. Oh and also all the fething rest of the models. I don't like all of the marines but have enough bits to improve them.
It's much too expensive for a boxed game and I'm broke but feth it. Hope that the game itself is good, the models deserve it.
GW is on fire in 40k, much more hit than miss lately. Now just bring back whfb with same aproach, fix 40k rules, drop prices and it's all ok.
But really, good job GW. Deep, deep down we all love you.
Just noticed the HF Salamander Marine has a melta slung under his power fist... in a word, awesome! Of the Marines, though, I think the Wolf, Hand and Fist are the standouts. All fantastic, though!
So now all the shiny models are unveiled, any sight of how the game itself will work? Obviously there's less sneaking about involved than Execution Force, and much more in the way of killing things.
This makes you realize how much GW is ( or at least was, since it seems to have changed with the re-introduction of specialist games) not using its IP to its full potential. This set is creating so much excitement and it will probably make me start a full tyranid army. As some have said, a necromunda or a Sanctuary 101 boxset of the same quality would be huge succes
Wow, talk about a breath of fresh air after re-released but comicbook-ed up Wolfen and all the AoS Dwyrf Fyrslyr weirdness (I admit I love the Sigmarines visually as giant paladins, just not their fluff)
Seriously. I was going to play some games of In the Emperor's Name a couple months ago (indie skirmish ruleset, gives the feel of Inq28- type games), and my first "have fun playing a bad guy" warband was to dig out the following from my shelves for a Cult warband:
-My old Delaque gang
-A Necromunda Wyrd Telepath for a counts-as Magus (I have one of the original Magus models plus a familiar, but he has to have a horrible paintjob by 13-year old me stripped off, and the Telepath is painted and ready and even looks the sinister veiny-head, giant staff part)
-Two plastic hybrids from my Tyranid Attack boardgame, plus a couple of Purestrains from the same game.
-Some very shifty thoughts towards the old walking Patriarch sitting deep in my bitz-box, versus the Broodlord from Space Hulk 3rd ed.
I really may have to work on the wife to get this!
streetsamurai wrote: This makes you realize how much GW is ( or at least was, since it seems to have changed with the re-introduction of specialist games) not using its IP to its full potential. This set is creating so much excitement and it will probably make me start a full tyranid army. As some have said, a necromunda or a Sanctuary 101 boxset of the same quality would be huge succes
Only because they're doing it well (see the repsonse to the Wulfen models).
I know what you mean about wanting to start a new Nids army, I've been thinking of doing a vanguard force style Nid army for a while but the rubbish codex they have put me off, but these new models and the hope of a new codex, or 2 if GC get a mini-dex, have instantly built my excitment for the project back up.
streetsamurai wrote: This makes you realize how much GW is ( or at least was, since it seems to have changed with the re-introduction of specialist games) not using its IP to its full potential. This set is creating so much excitement and it will probably make me start a full tyranid army. As some have said, a necromunda or a Sanctuary 101 boxset of the same quality would be huge succes
With the rumors of Necromunda coming back, the whole Inq28 community seems to be freaking out. I know I'll be looking for second hand and bit sells to buy a gak ton of the Forth Generation cultists for my own personal love of their look. I can't even imagine what the new Necromunda Sculpts could look like, especially if they keep a similar level of detail.
Gak me, I'm so glad I'm working overtime these next few weeks so I can reason with myself that buying these guys is a good idea...
I would be wary of getting this to start a new tyranid army,
as assuming the release of multipose separates happens along with some sort of codexette I would not be surprised to see the stealers fall out of the tyranid codex
not an issue if you're happy to play with allies and mixed formations, but if you want to be one book and done not so much
Those SMs are going to make amazing sergeants and characters outside of the game. I can see many a WS player picking up that biker for their collection.
So I got up this morning, strolled downstairs, and it occurred to me I should check Dakka just in case some pics broke.
I took a look, and...
They did it. They really did it.
And how! They hit just about every note perfectly. And it looks like even the fluff made it without being watered down. It's a PATRIARCH and not just another Broodlord.
And Aberrants! One of the project ideas I never got to was converting up "Abominations"...Hybrids gone wrong. My concept was Ogryn-sized, but this is exactly the kind of new stuff I want for GCults.
I could comment on a lot of things, but I think I'm just going to bask for a while. Been a long, long time comin'.
Fantastic work, studio team. The fruit basket arrives when the codex drops.
From a fluff perspective, I'm thinking that the difference of Patriarch and Broodlord depends on the existence of a Cult. All Patriarchs are Broodlords, but not all Broodlords are Patriarchs, but rather only the ones that have spawned a Genestealer Cult.
Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.
Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?
Oh DAMN! I'm blown away... I must rekindle my relationship with my buddy who works at the store that gets me a 40% discount... two boxs are in order, methinks!
M0ff3l wrote: Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.
Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?
That's a good question thinking about it.
To date, the Deathwatch squads have just been an upgrade pack (so they look slightly different) using Sternguard rules (6th ed apoc expansion).
As these marines are from very different areas of the marine codex, I can't see them fielded as a squad together, but rather as independent characters as you say. Similar to the Assassins mini-codex.
Now if that is indeed the case, a Deathwatch mini-codex of independent characters (Like the Assassin codex) then my 5K Deathwatch company has just obtained some seriously cool ICs / Leaders
Tyran wrote: From a fluff perspective, I'm thinking that the difference of Patriarch and Broodlord depends on the existence of a Cult. All Patriarchs are Broodlords, but not all Broodlords are Patriarchs, but rather only the ones that have spawned a Genestealer Cult.
Look at his head its obvious that he is filled with Psychic power. If this is because of the Cults Psychic connection or the age of the creature we don't really know
M0ff3l wrote: Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.
Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?
That's a good question thinking about it.
To date, the Deathwatch squads have just been an upgrade pack (so they look slightly different) using Sternguard rules (6th ed apoc expansion).
As these marines are from very different areas of the marine codex, I can't see them fielded as a squad together, but rather as independent characters as you say. Similar to the Assassins mini-codex.
Now if that is indeed the case, a Deathwatch mini-codex of independent characters (Like the Assassin codex) then my 5K Deathwatch company has just obtained some seriously cool ICs / Leaders
I mostly think ICs because some of them have wargear that is not normally accessible for regular marines or even sternguard (smokelauncher, frag cannon, powerfist with melta gun etc.). And giving the rest (like the librarian for example) special rules to make them special would also be really cool imo.
M0ff3l wrote: Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.
Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?
That's a good question thinking about it.
To date, the Deathwatch squads have just been an upgrade pack (so they look slightly different) using Sternguard rules (6th ed apoc expansion).
As these marines are from very different areas of the marine codex, I can't see them fielded as a squad together, but rather as independent characters as you say. Similar to the Assassins mini-codex.
Now if that is indeed the case, a Deathwatch mini-codex of independent characters (Like the Assassin codex) then my 5K Deathwatch company has just obtained some seriously cool ICs / Leaders
I wouldn't expect them to remain named in the Codex
M0ff3l wrote: Are there any rumors about rules to play them in 40k? I would love it if all of the deathwatch guys were independant characters and you could take a formation of 5 or 10 of them as a kill squad/kill team.
Or are there gonna be 2 mini codices for the rules of the GC and the death watch?
Im thinking unbound all independent characters. Even going so far as taking them from their proper codex. Then play a long table "obstacle course" type mission sneaking behind enemy lines.
Amazing job GW! Moral restored! Seriously though, it does feel like the age of Kirby is over and we have entered a new golden age.
Kavish wrote: Im thinking unbound all independent characters. Even going so far as taking them from their proper codex. Then play a long table "obstacle course" type mission sneaking behind enemy lines.
Amazing job GW! Moral restored! Seriously though, it does feel like the age of Kirby is over and we have entered a new golden age.
wouldn't work since the Imperial Fist has a weapon not available to Devastators.
Tyran wrote: From a fluff perspective, I'm thinking that the difference of Patriarch and Broodlord depends on the existence of a Cult. All Patriarchs are Broodlords, but not all Broodlords are Patriarchs, but rather only the ones that have spawned a Genestealer Cult.
Look at his head its obvious that he is filled with Psychic power. If this is because of the Cults Psychic connection or the age of the creature we don't really know
Kavish wrote: Im thinking unbound all independent characters. Even going so far as taking them from their proper codex. Then play a long table "obstacle course" type mission sneaking behind enemy lines.
Amazing job GW! Moral restored! Seriously though, it does feel like the age of Kirby is over and we have entered a new golden age.
wouldn't work since the Imperial Fist has a weapon not available to Devastators.
Kavish wrote: Im thinking unbound all independent characters. Even going so far as taking them from their proper codex. Then play a long table "obstacle course" type mission sneaking behind enemy lines.
Amazing job GW! Moral restored! Seriously though, it does feel like the age of Kirby is over and we have entered a new golden age.
wouldn't work since the Imperial Fist has a weapon not available to Devastators.
That, and the melta fist the sallie termie has.
Just use them as a heavy bolter and a chain fist respectively.
Kavish wrote: Im thinking unbound all independent characters. Even going so far as taking them from their proper codex. Then play a long table "obstacle course" type mission sneaking behind enemy lines.
Amazing job GW! Moral restored! Seriously though, it does feel like the age of Kirby is over and we have entered a new golden age.
wouldn't work since the Imperial Fist has a weapon not available to Devastators.
That, and the melta fist the sallie termie has.
When playing a narrative based mission like that it plenty acceptable to allow a captain to carry a frag cannon (thanks BA) and let the termy have a meltagun in addition to his fist and HF.
Kavish wrote: Im thinking unbound all independent characters. Even going so far as taking them from their proper codex. Then play a long table "obstacle course" type mission sneaking behind enemy lines.
Amazing job GW! Moral restored! Seriously though, it does feel like the age of Kirby is over and we have entered a new golden age.
wouldn't work since the Imperial Fist has a weapon not available to Devastators.
That, and the melta fist the sallie termie has.
Just use them as a heavy bolter and a chain fist respectively.
Also the smoke launcher jump pack..
While proxying them as other wargear is fine, I really hope for special rules for each individual member and rules for the GC aswel. Even if I had to pay for a codex/campaign book.
El Torro wrote: The Genestealer Cult models seem a bit light in numbers, since they have 11 Deathwatch Marines to contend with. The quality makes up for the lack of numbers though.
... oh no that picture doesn't cluster all of the GC in the box. Someone said around 36-37 models
Oh right, even better
GW have really upped the ante since Execution Force. From 4 new models in the box to 50. If they keep releasing new board games that are worth buying I'll keep buying them.
I'm not sure what would get me as excited as this release though. Like many people I'd like to see more support for Sisters of Battle, though I'd rather see a full release than a board game.
If they did insist on testing the waters with a boardgame though, they have a solid subject for one; Sanctuary 101, Sisters v Necrons, and you could do a fair number of sisters models if you had a small group of bigger Necrons as the enemy.
OMG, that would be absolutely awesome. What a beautiful idea!
Swampmist wrote: Just use them as a heavy bolter and a chain fist respectively.
Automatically Appended Next Post: That said. I definitely want codex's for both factions especially Genestealer Cults. Tyranids can finally have allies!
gungo wrote: People have bad math skills.
There are 50 models (one of which is a bike) plus a homer beacon and servo skull.
11 deathwatch (not including homer beacon or servo skull)
And 39 cult members
Patriarch
magus
Primarch
2 familiar
2 pure strains
2 laser cutters
4 abhorrent (2 hammer/2picks)
6 first gen 6 second gen 6 third gen 8 fourth gen
Also can't wait to see rules for that patriarch in 40k. Dear I say genestealers are going to be good again especially when they can have psychic shenanigans too.
Ok, at first I was afraid that the group cult photo is all the models there are for the cult side, but there are definitely more. Thanks for the summary. At that count, CAD $200 seems somewhat justified (for GW, that is That's a lot of models - terrific looking models. And there's a biker SM, too.
Small correction - per WD text, there are 4 Third Gen and 8 Fourth Gen.
Hopefully the Cult and Deathwatch get rules in White Dwarf like when the assassins were released with Execution force. The difference is that was only 4 datsheets when the contents of Overkill would require a lot more.
Am stoked by this release, all of the minis look fantastic. My only issue are the odd poses of the jump Marines, the Blood Angel just looks weird.
SlaveToDorkness wrote: Oh DAMN! I'm blown away... I must rekindle my relationship with my buddy who works at the store that gets me a 40% discount... two boxs are in order, methinks!
Um...can I be his friend, too?
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streetsamurai wrote: This makes you realize how much GW is ( or at least was, since it seems to have changed with the re-introduction of specialist games) not using its IP to its full potential. This set is creating so much excitement and it will probably make me start a full tyranid army. As some have said, a necromunda or a Sanctuary 101 boxset of the same quality would be huge succes
Yeah, it's really nice to see a set containing non-core armies, bah - a totally new faction for that matter!
Swampmist wrote: Just use them as a heavy bolter and a chain fist respectively.
Automatically Appended Next Post: That said. I definitely want codex's for both factions especially Genestealer Cults. Tyranids can finally have allies!
gungo wrote: People have bad math skills.
There are 50 models (one of which is a bike) plus a homer beacon and servo skull.
11 deathwatch (not including homer beacon or servo skull)
And 39 cult members
Patriarch
magus
Primarch
2 familiar
2 pure strains
2 laser cutters
4 abhorrent (2 hammer/2picks)
6 first gen 6 second gen 6 third gen 8 fourth gen
Also can't wait to see rules for that patriarch in 40k. Dear I say genestealers are going to be good again especially when they can have psychic shenanigans too.
Ok, at first I was afraid that the group cult photo is all the models there are for the cult side, but there are definitely more. Thanks for the summary. At that count, CAD $200 seems somewhat justified (for GW, that is That's a lot of models - terrific looking models. And there's a biker SM, too.
Small correction - per WD text, there are 4 Third Gen and 8 Fourth Gen.
Looks fantastic.
No there are 6 third gen. 4 with autocannons and 2 with grenade launchers.
Also yea I'm hoping for a last chancers type formation for these guys or like the tau 8 formation. It may not be the most competitive Death Star but it's definitely one of the cooler looking ones.
Swampmist wrote: Just use them as a heavy bolter and a chain fist respectively.
Automatically Appended Next Post: That said. I definitely want codex's for both factions especially Genestealer Cults. Tyranids can finally have allies!
I did not say that, so thanks quote system
Sorry, my bad. Must have deleted the wrong quote parenthesis.
1st ed Space Hulk and its expansions meant that after Marines, Stealer cults were the 2nd 40k army I ever used. The Death watch are good, but the cult models are just outstanding
El Torro wrote: The Genestealer Cult models seem a bit light in numbers, since they have 11 Deathwatch Marines to contend with. The quality makes up for the lack of numbers though.
... oh no that picture doesn't cluster all of the GC in the box. Someone said around 36-37 models
Oh right, even better
GW have really upped the ante since Execution Force. From 4 new models in the box to 50. If they keep releasing new board games that are worth buying I'll keep buying them.
I'm not sure what would get me as excited as this release though. Like many people I'd like to see more support for Sisters of Battle, though I'd rather see a full release than a board game.
If they did insist on testing the waters with a boardgame though, they have a solid subject for one; Sanctuary 101, Sisters v Necrons, and you could do a fair number of sisters models if you had a small group of bigger Necrons as the enemy.
This would be perfect. The Necrons could get away with plenty of duplicate poses to beef up there numbers and the Sisters would really benefit from the extra detail that can go into monopose models.
). Hybrids were introduced in Genestealer as an option - the mission with 
are they tempting to use for mutants in a renegades army.
What about Aberrants though?
I chose a good time to try and get my brother into Kill Team, I think. So many great releases that I never thought would be seen (again). Perfect to make many small warbands.
