If GCs still operate in Clans I will make a cult for my old model and one for the new one. Two detachments. Also very curious about what will be the answer to the Patriarch = Broodlord? question. Currently I consider the latter creatures to be the Patriarch's lieutenants.
Warhams-77 wrote: If GCs still operate in Clans I will make a cult for my old model and one for the new one. Two detachments. Also very curious about what will be the answer to the Patriarch = Broodlord question. Currently I consider the latter creatures to be the Patriarch's lieutenants.
They are practically the same creatures. The Spawn of Cryptus is a called a Broodlord, even though it is the Patriarch of its brood.
"Patriarch" and "Broodlord" are human (and semi human) terms given to creatures that don't really care about that.
So thats 85pts for 12 guys with 4 attacks each on the charge, assault grenades, Fearless and Rending Claws. And if your lucky the Patriarch can cast Invisibility on them.
Those Patriarch rules are wonderful. Same stat line as the Spawn of Cryptus, but with an extra psychic mastery level, better powers, Fear, Fearless, IC and a familiar (whatever that does). Now I can hopefully use my Spawn as a decent character in his own right, rather than a Broodlord +1.
I'm hoping, as others have said, that this covers the difference between Broodlords and Patriarchs, because the Spawn's fluff has always screamed Patriarch at me.
Tyran wrote: "Patriarch" and "Broodlord" are human (and semi human) terms given to creatures that don't really care about that.
Excellent way of putting it. I imagine the difference (from an Imperial perspective) would be that a Patriarch has a Cult, while "Broodlords" are a sort of "Genestealer Prime", the kind seen with roaming packs of Stealers. In essence the two creatures are all but identical, but for Imperial definitions, you might encounter a "Broodlord" on a Space Hulk and a "Patriarch" in an underhive or temple or some such, protected by its hybrids.
Sorry haven't found this info in the thread. @ the game do we know if its cooperative vs the cult (like execution force) or its 1 (deathwatch) vs 1 (cult)?
=Angel= wrote: A White-Scars thunderhawk touches down at a super secret Deathwatch base. Two watch commanders wait patiently on the pad.
The ramp lowers and a marine roars out on a bike.
'Well met Battle Brother. Please leave your combat bike in the thunderhawk for your chapter to return to its armoury. You won't be needing it.'
The whitescar's expression hardens.
'Brother, we don't field bikes here in the deathwatch. We board spacehulks and infiltrate xeno filled labyrinths. You need to be on foot to stay with your comrades'
A cold wind whistles across the pad, stirring the white armoured astartes' topknot. His expression remains obstinate and unyielding.
'I'm sorry brother, but those are the rules. The deathwatch is a strict military brotherhood. we don't allow everyone to just do as they please.'
A dark angel flies through the door of the facility, landing roughly at the feet of the watch commanders. A drunk space wolf staggers onto the pad, swigging mead.
'Cahmon denya sisseh' roars the wolf , his native fenrisian words lost on all present. 'Ahnoo twas ye that dranned mah favrit serfav his blude!'
As the dark angel picked himself up and tried to get his hood out of his eyes, fair haired marine peeks around the door, wiping red fluid from his mouth.
Whilst the dark angel adjusts the rope belt, the space wolf flings his tankard at the son of caliban, spilling beer all over his robes. The Dark angel responds by uppercutting the wolf, the two of them falling to the floor in a mad brawl.
'As my colleague was saying' continued a Watch Commander ' You'll need to surrender your bike. Otherwise you will be returned to your chapter'
The marine seemed to consider this for a moment, then idled his bike forward, closer to the Commander. He leaned in to speak, so close that his moustache tickled the ear of the Officer. He spoke quietly, his voice barely a whisper.
'Have to catch me first.'
The bike exploded into life as the whitescar gunned the throttle, raising up on the rear wheel and shooting straight through the facility door.
Dealer wrote: Sorry haven't found this info in the thread. @ the game do we know if its cooperative vs the cult (like execution force) or its 1 (deathwatch) vs 1 (cult)?
It looks to be cooperative, on the picture we see 9 of the deathwatch characters on one side of the board, 3 of them on another side and then the cult on another side. I don't have any more proof of it though, so don't take this as fact.
Imateria wrote: So thats 85pts for 12 guys with 4 attacks each on the charge, assault grenades, Fearless and Rending Claws. And if your lucky the Patriarch can cast Invisibility on them.
Holy Feth!
You WOULD THINK it suggests that Purestrains will be adjusted, either to become significantly cheaper or more formidable. At only 2 attacks per, their rending output drops precipitously as they take casualties.
epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.
skarsol wrote: Ouch, at today's rate the British game is $25 cheaper than the American one. Might be worth importing.
Well, the pound has dropped hard thanks to the Brexit rumors/mess.
Good news for FW orders though. Just waiting on Warlord parts for a second order.
I like the Deathwatch models, but their rules are not unique enough to really justify them as is. I'm glad they are balanced to match the codex costs for things, without a ton of special buffs (grr Wolves) but the unit composition is sub-optimal. The genestealer cult is actually more useful rules/model wise for various cultist and mutant forces. The rules slot in quite well from Genestealere cult to say Chaos Mutants and Cultists.
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.
Oh yeah definatley
. is it me or the fact There is 2 Ultramarines when they could have just made him a Son of Orar or any other chapter , just kinda showing GW Ultra fetish again?
You can see it talks about the Genestealer Cult player.
That's great. To me its more interesting that way. You can probably have a couple of friends play each side together. And yeh I look foward to playing my own Deathwatch force AND the Cult.
the_Armyman wrote: Wait, I don't get it. I mentioned that I thought this was a rather transparent cash grab by GW to create yet another boardgame masquerading as a 40K release, I get called a pathetic hater, shouted down, and generally seen as the bad guy of the thread. Then several people come in here and decry the 40K rules as being lackluster, poorly constructed, and a missed opportunity, and they're greeted with silence. Where's the outrage, guys? Thse guys are totally urinating all over your parade. Let's get 'em!
You come across very much as a "bitter, hateful ex" in this thread. I don't care for AoS and huge chunks of current 40k, but I manage to completely ignore gak that I'm not interested in with a shrug. I don't feel entitled to anything. When I'm willing to pay X dollars for Y product, then fine. When I'm not, I don't. Simples.
You can see it talks about the Genestealer Cult player.
That's great. To me its more interesting that way. You can probably have a couple of friends play each side together. And yeh I look foward to playing my own Deathwatch force AND the Cult.
Yeah I agree, it's much more fun to play against someone and try to win in my opinion :-) and like Space Hulk you could swap sides at the end of each mission and replay it again.
Everything about this game is shaping up to be so so awesome! Cannot wait.
the_Armyman wrote: Wait, I don't get it. I mentioned that I thought this was a rather transparent cash grab by GW to create yet another boardgame masquerading as a 40K release, I get called a pathetic hater, shouted down, and generally seen as the bad guy of the thread. Then several people come in here and decry the 40K rules as being lackluster, poorly constructed, and a missed opportunity, and they're greeted with silence. Where's the outrage, guys? Thse guys are totally urinating all over your parade. Let's get 'em!
You come across very much as a "bitter, hateful ex" in this thread. I don't care for AoS and huge chunks of current 40k, but I manage to completely ignore gak that I'm not interested in with a shrug. I don't feel entitled to anything. When I'm willing to pay X dollars for Y product, then fine. When I'm not, I don't. Simples.
the_Armyman wrote: Wait, I don't get it. I mentioned that I thought this was a rather transparent cash grab by GW to create yet another boardgame masquerading as a 40K release, I get called a pathetic hater, shouted down, and generally seen as the bad guy of the thread. Then several people come in here and decry the 40K rules as being lackluster, poorly constructed, and a missed opportunity, and they're greeted with silence. Where's the outrage, guys? Thse guys are totally urinating all over your parade. Let's get 'em!
You come across very much as a "bitter, hateful ex" in this thread. I don't care for AoS and huge chunks of current 40k, but I manage to completely ignore gak that I'm not interested in with a shrug. I don't feel entitled to anything. When I'm willing to pay X dollars for Y product, then fine. When I'm not, I don't. Simples.
+1 to Azazel
This is actually OT, per the mods. if you'd like to discuss this further, please use the PM system. Also, again, thanks for yet another personal jab. You guys are the best
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.
Oh yeah definatley
. is it me or the fact There is 2 Ultramarines when they could have just made him a Son of Orar or any other chapter , just kinda showing GW Ultra fetish again?
Honestly, when it comes to characters associated with the Deathwatch and/or Tyranid hunting? You don't have many options.
You have Scout-Sergeant Cyrus from Dawn of War, Shadow-Captain Korvidae from IA8(after the failed raid on Kastorel-Novem, he volunteered for a penitent stint in the Deathwatch), Artemis from the Inquisitor game, some of the (briefly detailed) named guys from the Deathwatch RPG material, and Chaplain Cassius.
The list gets even smaller though when you just start looking at named Chaplains(which I have a feeling was part of the criteria they used designing the box; Deathwatch Chaplains have been a 'Big Deal' in the background along with their Librarian equivalent. They probably want to have a 'generic' plastic Chaplain kit that they can release as a blister and they wanted something that didn't have the molded base like the one from the Reclusium Command Squad set).
You have Asmodai for the Dark Angels, Cassius for the Ultramarines, and Lemartes for the Blood Angels. Of those only Cassius has actively been mentioned with the Deathwatch, having trained several of their Kill-Teams in counter Tyranid tactics.
I would, personally, have loved to see Scout-Sergeant Cyrus make an appearance but then we would have had two Blood Ravens!
the_Armyman wrote: Wait, I don't get it. I mentioned that I thought this was a rather transparent cash grab by GW to create yet another boardgame masquerading as a 40K release, I get called a pathetic hater, shouted down, and generally seen as the bad guy of the thread. Then several people come in here and decry the 40K rules as being lackluster, poorly constructed, and a missed opportunity, and they're greeted with silence. Where's the outrage, guys? Thse guys are totally urinating all over your parade. Let's get 'em!
You come across very much as a "bitter, hateful ex" in this thread. I don't care for AoS and huge chunks of current 40k, but I manage to completely ignore gak that I'm not interested in with a shrug. I don't feel entitled to anything. When I'm willing to pay X dollars for Y product, then fine. When I'm not, I don't. Simples.
+1 to Azazel
This is actually OT, per the mods. if you'd like to discuss this further, please use the PM system. Also, again, thanks for yet another personal jab. You guys are the best
There's a button called report post? Or you could ignore the user ?
Regardless
I think I'm only going to keep the white scar SM or the Salamander as they are the only chapters I like after the Lamenters. The 3 boxes I plan to get should be enough for a decent sized cult.
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.
Oh yeah definatley
. is it me or the fact There is 2 Ultramarines when they could have just made him a Son of Orar or any other chapter , just kinda showing GW Ultra fetish again?
Honestly, when it comes to characters associated with the Deathwatch and/or Tyranid hunting? You don't have many options.
You have Scout-Sergeant Cyrus from Dawn of War, Shadow-Captain Korvidae from IA8(after the failed raid on Kastorel-Novem, he volunteered for a penitent stint in the Deathwatch), Artemis from the Inquisitor game, some of the (briefly detailed) named guys from the Deathwatch RPG material, and Chaplain Cassius.
The list gets even smaller though when you just start looking at named Chaplains(which I have a feeling was part of the criteria they used designing the box; Deathwatch Chaplains have been a 'Big Deal' in the background along with their Librarian equivalent. They probably want to have a 'generic' plastic Chaplain kit that they can release as a blister and they wanted something that didn't have the molded base like the one from the Reclusium Command Squad set).
You have Asmodai for the Dark Angels, Cassius for the Ultramarines, and Lemartes for the Blood Angels. Of those only Cassius has actively been mentioned with the Deathwatch, having trained several of their Kill-Teams in counter Tyranid tactics.
I would, personally, have loved to see Scout-Sergeant Cyrus make an appearance but then we would have had two Blood Ravens!
If it had to be Ultra why not captain Titus before he was a Captain. I'm fairly sure with his experiences he's a decent candidate for the Deathwatch.
Where's most of the DW fluff then? What books should I be looking at?
the_Armyman wrote: Wait, I don't get it. I mentioned that I thought this was a rather transparent cash grab by GW to create yet another boardgame masquerading as a 40K release, I get called a pathetic hater, shouted down, and generally seen as the bad guy of the thread. Then several people come in here and decry the 40K rules as being lackluster, poorly constructed, and a missed opportunity, and they're greeted with silence. Where's the outrage, guys? Thse guys are totally urinating all over your parade. Let's get 'em!
You come across very much as a "bitter, hateful ex" in this thread. I don't care for AoS and huge chunks of current 40k, but I manage to completely ignore gak that I'm not interested in with a shrug. I don't feel entitled to anything. When I'm willing to pay X dollars for Y product, then fine. When I'm not, I don't. Simples.
Why are you bringing up posts from ten pages back when warnings were already passed out?
EDIT: looks like this has already been pointing out. I don't know why it's hard to follow this stuff though.
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.
Oh yeah definatley
. is it me or the fact There is 2 Ultramarines when they could have just made him a Son of Orar or any other chapter , just kinda showing GW Ultra fetish again?
Honestly, when it comes to characters associated with the Deathwatch and/or Tyranid hunting? You don't have many options.
You have Scout-Sergeant Cyrus from Dawn of War, Shadow-Captain Korvidae from IA8(after the failed raid on Kastorel-Novem, he volunteered for a penitent stint in the Deathwatch), Artemis from the Inquisitor game, some of the (briefly detailed) named guys from the Deathwatch RPG material, and Chaplain Cassius.
The list gets even smaller though when you just start looking at named Chaplains(which I have a feeling was part of the criteria they used designing the box; Deathwatch Chaplains have been a 'Big Deal' in the background along with their Librarian equivalent. They probably want to have a 'generic' plastic Chaplain kit that they can release as a blister and they wanted something that didn't have the molded base like the one from the Reclusium Command Squad set).
You have Asmodai for the Dark Angels, Cassius for the Ultramarines, and Lemartes for the Blood Angels. Of those only Cassius has actively been mentioned with the Deathwatch, having trained several of their Kill-Teams in counter Tyranid tactics.
I would, personally, have loved to see Scout-Sergeant Cyrus make an appearance but then we would have had two Blood Ravens!
Fluff wise this game is set pre- 1st Tyranic war so none of the characters have any experience dealing with Tyrinds since Hive Fleet Behemoth hasn't turned up yet. Mind you, as a Tyranid player I don't really care which chapters the Marines come from, they all taste the same to me!
Also Cassius is the leader of this kill team, so it makes sense he put another member of his chapter into command of the smaller squad? (atleast thats how I look at it)
Fluff wise this game is set pre- 1st Tyranic war so none of the characters have any experience dealing with Tyrinds since Hive Fleet Behemoth hasn't turned up yet. Mind you, as a Tyranid player I don't really care which chapters the Marines come from, they all taste the same to me!
I'm aware of the fact that this is set pre-1st Tyrannic War, but Cassius being the "first contact" for Genestealer Cults is new fluff.
Fluff wise this game is set pre- 1st Tyranic war so none of the characters have any experience dealing with Tyrinds since Hive Fleet Behemoth hasn't turned up yet. Mind you, as a Tyranid player I don't really care which chapters the Marines come from, they all taste the same to me!
I'm aware of the fact that this is set pre-1st Tyrannic War, but Cassius being the "first contact" for Genestealer Cults is new fluff.
Do we have a date when the first GSC was unearthed? . Surely ordo Xenos or Herectus inquisitors would be better than a SM for this kinda work?
Fluff wise this game is set pre- 1st Tyranic war so none of the characters have any experience dealing with Tyrinds since Hive Fleet Behemoth hasn't turned up yet. Mind you, as a Tyranid player I don't really care which chapters the Marines come from, they all taste the same to me!
I'm aware of the fact that this is set pre-1st Tyrannic War, but Cassius being the "first contact" for Genestealer Cults is new fluff.
Do we have a date when the first GSC was unearthed? . Surely ordo Xenos or Herectus inquisitors would be better than a SM for this kinda work?
This is supposedly the first one I think? Cassius uncovers it?
migooo wrote: Do we have a date when the first GSC was unearthed? . Surely ordo Xenos or Herectus inquisitors would be better than a SM for this kinda work?
The Deathwatch is part of Ordo Xenos.
Edit: Okay, I get what you mean. There's no reason to deploy a pure Deathwatch team to an unknown threat.
migooo wrote: Do we have a date when the first GSC was unearthed? . Surely ordo Xenos or Herectus inquisitors would be better than a SM for this kinda work?
The Deathwatch is part of Ordo Xenos.
Edit: Okay, I get what you mean. There's no reason to deploy a pure Deathwatch team to an unknown threat.
Exactly since there's supposedly a very limited amount of SM and an even fewer amount of DW
I think this is meant to be the first encounter with a Coven. Ymgarl was an encounter with purestrains only/now glossed over as the slug-leech version, not true stealers? Not sure how the rogue trader version of a gene-stealer resolves with what we currently call ymgarl stealers (cthulhu headed ones)...
On Ymgarl, the stealers were getting it on with a native leechlike creature, which wasn't a higher lifeform IIRC. So there wouldn't have been a cult formed.
the_Armyman wrote: Wait, I don't get it. I mentioned that I thought this was a rather transparent cash grab by GW to create yet another boardgame masquerading as a 40K release, I get called a pathetic hater, shouted down, and generally seen as the bad guy of the thread. Then several people come in here and decry the 40K rules as being lackluster, poorly constructed, and a missed opportunity, and they're greeted with silence. Where's the outrage, guys? Thse guys are totally urinating all over your parade. Let's get 'em!
You come across very much as a "bitter, hateful ex" in this thread. I don't care for AoS and huge chunks of current 40k, but I manage to completely ignore gak that I'm not interested in with a shrug. I don't feel entitled to anything. When I'm willing to pay X dollars for Y product, then fine. When I'm not, I don't. Simples.
+1 to Azazel
This is actually OT, per the mods. if you'd like to discuss this further, please use the PM system. Also, again, thanks for yet another personal jab. You guys are the best
There's a button called report post? Or you could ignore the user ?
Regardless
I think I'm only going to keep the white scar SM or the Salamander as they are the only chapters I like after the Lamenters. The 3 boxes I plan to get should be enough for a decent sized cult.
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.
Oh yeah definatley
. is it me or the fact There is 2 Ultramarines when they could have just made him a Son of Orar or any other chapter , just kinda showing GW Ultra fetish again?
Honestly, when it comes to characters associated with the Deathwatch and/or Tyranid hunting? You don't have many options.
You have Scout-Sergeant Cyrus from Dawn of War, Shadow-Captain Korvidae from IA8(after the failed raid on Kastorel-Novem, he volunteered for a penitent stint in the Deathwatch), Artemis from the Inquisitor game, some of the (briefly detailed) named guys from the Deathwatch RPG material, and Chaplain Cassius.
The list gets even smaller though when you just start looking at named Chaplains(which I have a feeling was part of the criteria they used designing the box; Deathwatch Chaplains have been a 'Big Deal' in the background along with their Librarian equivalent. They probably want to have a 'generic' plastic Chaplain kit that they can release as a blister and they wanted something that didn't have the molded base like the one from the Reclusium Command Squad set).
You have Asmodai for the Dark Angels, Cassius for the Ultramarines, and Lemartes for the Blood Angels. Of those only Cassius has actively been mentioned with the Deathwatch, having trained several of their Kill-Teams in counter Tyranid tactics.
I would, personally, have loved to see Scout-Sergeant Cyrus make an appearance but then we would have had two Blood Ravens!
If it had to be Ultra why not captain Titus before he was a Captain. I'm fairly sure with his experiences he's a decent candidate for the Deathwatch.
Where's most of the DW fluff then? What books should I be looking at?
Captain Titus was never a captain of the Ultramarine, much less of the second company, because the game takes place in the 41st Millennium, there have only been two 2nd Company Captains, Severus Agemman, who would go on to be 1st Captain (Not the movie Severus) and Cato Sicarius, with the Battle for Macragge being the time of their promotions. It was actually Captain Fabian of the 3rd Company who took the most action against the Tyranids post BoM bar Cassius.
But recent publications show Fabian leading the Third Company against Vior'la Tau.
Cassius' hatred for Tyrannies came after the Battle which was not long after the Tyranids first became known in the galaxy, so this game is only a few years before Cassius is recalled to Ultramar.
the_Armyman wrote: Wait, I don't get it. I mentioned that I thought this was a rather transparent cash grab by GW to create yet another boardgame masquerading as a 40K release, I get called a pathetic hater, shouted down, and generally seen as the bad guy of the thread. Then several people come in here and decry the 40K rules as being lackluster, poorly constructed, and a missed opportunity, and they're greeted with silence. Where's the outrage, guys? Thse guys are totally urinating all over your parade. Let's get 'em!
You come across very much as a "bitter, hateful ex" in this thread. I don't care for AoS and huge chunks of current 40k, but I manage to completely ignore gak that I'm not interested in with a shrug. I don't feel entitled to anything. When I'm willing to pay X dollars for Y product, then fine. When I'm not, I don't. Simples.
+1 to Azazel
This is actually OT, per the mods. if you'd like to discuss this further, please use the PM system. Also, again, thanks for yet another personal jab. You guys are the best
There's a button called report post? Or you could ignore the user ?
Regardless
I think I'm only going to keep the white scar SM or the Salamander as they are the only chapters I like after the Lamenters. The 3 boxes I plan to get should be enough for a decent sized cult.
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.
Oh yeah definatley
. is it me or the fact There is 2 Ultramarines when they could have just made him a Son of Orar or any other chapter , just kinda showing GW Ultra fetish again?
Honestly, when it comes to characters associated with the Deathwatch and/or Tyranid hunting? You don't have many options.
You have Scout-Sergeant Cyrus from Dawn of War, Shadow-Captain Korvidae from IA8(after the failed raid on Kastorel-Novem, he volunteered for a penitent stint in the Deathwatch), Artemis from the Inquisitor game, some of the (briefly detailed) named guys from the Deathwatch RPG material, and Chaplain Cassius.
The list gets even smaller though when you just start looking at named Chaplains(which I have a feeling was part of the criteria they used designing the box; Deathwatch Chaplains have been a 'Big Deal' in the background along with their Librarian equivalent. They probably want to have a 'generic' plastic Chaplain kit that they can release as a blister and they wanted something that didn't have the molded base like the one from the Reclusium Command Squad set).
You have Asmodai for the Dark Angels, Cassius for the Ultramarines, and Lemartes for the Blood Angels. Of those only Cassius has actively been mentioned with the Deathwatch, having trained several of their Kill-Teams in counter Tyranid tactics.
I would, personally, have loved to see Scout-Sergeant Cyrus make an appearance but then we would have had two Blood Ravens!
If it had to be Ultra why not captain Titus before he was a Captain. I'm fairly sure with his experiences he's a decent candidate for the Deathwatch.
Where's most of the DW fluff then? What books should I be looking at?
Captain Titus was never a captain of the Ultramarine, much less of the second company, because the game takes place in the 41st Millennium, there have only been two 2nd Company Captains, Severus Agemman, who would go on to be 1st Captain (Not the movie Severus) and Cato Sicarius, with the Battle for Macragge being the time of their promotions. It was actually Captain Fabian of the 3rd Company who took the most action against the Tyranids post BoM bar Cassius.
But recent publications show Fabian leading the Third Company against Vior'la Tau.
Cassius' hatred for Tyrannies came after the Battle which was not long after the Tyranids first became known in the galaxy, so this game is only a few years before Cassius is recalled to Ultramar.
Titus technically is something... it be nice if he actually got more than being the most awesome Ultra but technically not cus THQ folded. He would get exiled then return gaining a new chapter at least according to one of the devs.
Yeah... I need to figure out whether to order from GW for 200 CDN+tax or if 165- 25% X 35% exchange + possible customes and shipping... probably best to just order from GW :(
I'll probably go thru the warstore. 5% more off isn't worth getting it 2 weeks after its out from Frontline since I've had issues getting things in a reasonable amount t of time from them.
Not a pre-order but I'll probably be picking up from one of the better ebay dealers like I did with BaC. If Miniature Market were still carrying GW I'd go with them.
And when I say I'll be picking up, I mean the missus will be buying it for my birthday like she bought BaC for Christmas. I'm hosed if GW come out with anything cool between March and Christmas 2016
I'll be buying it from my FLGS. Only 15% but he has been good to me over the years, getting me things like the limited plasma obliterator when it came out. He's the only reason I'm still buying the new Waaagh Ghaz. I told him to order me one before I heard about how trash it is, so too late now.
I wonder how snapfit they are- plug an play like DV, or monopose on sprues and requiring glue like clampack characters?
If they are not snapfit, it is incredibly likely that the miniatures will be halfways customizable. I am expecting them to be essentially all designed like the clam pack miniatures, which is actually pretty good compared to snapfit.
If they are like clam pack, the marines are likely to have their shoulder pauldrons as separate pieces, which would allow people to convert these to regular marines for use in other armies fairly easily. I am torn as to what I would do if that was the case. On one hand, I actually do want to make a Deathwatch force, but on the other hand, I would probably only use the Librarian and the small squad. This would leave me Cassius, the WS Biker, the BA Assault Marine, RG Vanguard Veteran, and the Salamander Terminator to customize.
But to be honest, one of the major perks of this whole boxed set, at least for me, is the ability to make all sorts of characters from Chapters I don't play. Unfortunately, the Deathwatch color scheme doesn't do a whole lot for me. I may move the black to just the left arm, the silver to the left shoulder pauldron, and make all of the rest the normal chapter colors.
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.
Oh yeah definatley
. is it me or the fact There is 2 Ultramarines when they could have just made him a Son of Orar or any other chapter , just kinda showing GW Ultra fetish again?
Ultramarines contribute more marines to the Deathwatch than any other chapter. 'Cause y'know, Ultramarines are the best! Lol. Actually I'd say it's because they hate Tyranids so much (see; Tyrannic war). Though this doesn't make any sense for this game since it's set before the invasion of Ultramar.
Hulksmash wrote: I'll probably go thru the warstore. 5% more off isn't worth getting it 2 weeks after its out from Frontline since I've had issues getting things in a reasonable amount t of time from them.
Can the Warstore even ship to Canada any more since the changes to the trade agreements?
Also the Warstore's Shipping rates to canada can be prety killer TBH.
Kavish wrote: Oh man. If the DW arms are changeable I'm going to need two boxes. +I'll also get a bigger GC force. Win win!
I would be surprised if they weren't interchangeable. It seems like GW has made a bit of an effort to make their clam pack miniatures not completely mono-pose.
Yodhrin wrote: Where are people thinking the best deal for the UK will be, Darksphere?
Probably though I've found that they and wayland kinda even out after shipping.
Triple helix and firestorm are about the same but I have not ordered from them
Hulksmash wrote: I'll probably go thru the warstore. 5% more off isn't worth getting it 2 weeks after its out from Frontline since I've had issues getting things in a reasonable amount t of time from them.
The Card Ogre has these going for $116 and should have plenty.
Yodhrin wrote: Where are people thinking the best deal for the UK will be, Darksphere?
Probably though I've found that they and wayland kinda even out after shipping.
Triple helix and firestorm are about the same but I have not ordered from them
Yodhrin wrote: Where are people thinking the best deal for the UK will be, Darksphere?
Probably though I've found that they and wayland kinda even out after shipping.
Triple helix and firestorm are about the same but I have not ordered from them
If you are in it for the marines, no real reason to pick up more than one imo.
The only model I might use is Cassius as a baseline Chaplain in my SM Battle Company. Maybe a few of the others, but since I haven't even cracked open my Space Hulk... >.>
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.
Oh yeah definatley
. is it me or the fact There is 2 Ultramarines when they could have just made him a Son of Orar or any other chapter , just kinda showing GW Ultra fetish again?
Ultramarines contribute more marines to the Deathwatch than any other chapter. 'Cause y'know, Ultramarines are the best! Lol. Actually I'd say it's because they hate Tyranids so much (see; Tyrannic war). Though this doesn't make any sense for this game since it's set before the invasion of Ultramar.
Actually dark angels and crimson fists contribute the most, at least according to old articles and ffg.
The price tag for this game has put me right off, id rather buy another boc set than this, much better value.
Zognob Gorgoff wrote: epic models, looking forward to trying the BG as i do like space hulk and the other added 'content games' so far aint bad - the 40k rules tho seriously how poo lol Not that it my only gripe but why does the blood angel cost the same as the ravenguard? hand flamer n furious charge vs twin claws, stealth and custom special rule>? will be house ruling these dudes im sure.
Oh yeah definatley
. is it me or the fact There is 2 Ultramarines when they could have just made him a Son of Orar or any other chapter , just kinda showing GW Ultra fetish again?
Ultramarines contribute more marines to the Deathwatch than any other chapter. 'Cause y'know, Ultramarines are the best! Lol. Actually I'd say it's because they hate Tyranids so much (see; Tyrannic war). Though this doesn't make any sense for this game since it's set before the invasion of Ultramar.
Actually dark angels and crimson fists contribute the most, at least according to old articles and ffg.
The price tag for this game has put me right off, id rather buy another boc set than this, much better value.
Only more valuable of you just want standard marines.
That's....very interesting. Their strange not quite snap fit nature looks like it'll be conversion heaven for those wanting to do multiple units - just a SM bits box needed to go nuts.
I want to see the Stealer Cult stuff though. Might be in luck with a sale so may have money- was going to put a huge chunk to 30k shinies but part of me SO wants to do a Stealer Cult....
Hulksmash wrote: I'll probably go thru the warstore. 5% more off isn't worth getting it 2 weeks after its out from Frontline since I've had issues getting things in a reasonable amount t of time from them.
The Card Ogre has these going for $116 and should have plenty.
Yodhrin wrote: Where are people thinking the best deal for the UK will be, Darksphere?
Probably though I've found that they and wayland kinda even out after shipping.
Triple helix and firestorm are about the same but I have not ordered from them
2boxes limit also
Element - free shipping and 15-20% off.
same as wayland. free shiping over 40,
Difference being stuff I order from Element & Darksphere usually arrives in the same year I order it
Good point Wilson, I forgot that the cost of this would take you over Element's free shipping threshold even after the discount.
Sadly the one Marine I would want multiples of(the Raven Guard) is not favorable for converting.
Also looks like I was wrong! The Raven Guard iconography is molded on--but it's also a separate shoulderpad unlike the Blood Angel. He's getting a blank pad from my Assault/Vanguard boxes!
MajorWesJanson wrote: I'll be buying it from my FLGS. Only 15% but he has been good to me over the years, getting me things like the limited plasma obliterator when it came out. He's the only reason I'm still buying the new Waaagh Ghaz. I told him to order me one before I heard about how trash it is, so too late now.
I wonder how snapfit they are- plug an play like DV, or monopose on sprues and requiring glue like clampack characters?
I agree with this.
I will be getting through my LGS.
Could get a bigger discount online, but they take care of me and give us a place to play and work to build the local community which is easily worth a few bucks.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I'll be buying it from my FLGS. Only 15% but he has been good to me over the years, getting me things like the limited plasma obliterator when it came out. He's the only reason I'm still buying the new Waaagh Ghaz. I told him to order me one before I heard about how trash it is, so too late now.
I wonder how snapfit they are- plug an play like DV, or monopose on sprues and requiring glue like clampack characters?
I agree with this.
I will be getting through my LGS.
Could get a bigger discount online, but they take care of me and give us a place to play and work to build the local community which is easily worth a few bucks.
we have a club store but since they sell gw stuff at GW prices. i tend to only buy warmachine/ hordes there that has the 25 % discount. but we do have a comunal bits box so i see lots of bits from this ending up there
dan2026 wrote: Is the consensus that Dark Sphere are a better retailer than Wayland Games these days?
I have never ordered from them.
And Elementgames better than both.
dunno i had a bad ordering experience with element. they said they had items they did not took money couldn't get items had to wait for 3 weeks to be told they couldn't then money returned the same day via paypal though
Checking Elements prices you don't seem to save that much when you factor in shipping.
And you need to spend £80 to qualify for free shipping.
Which is twice as much as Wayland.
dan2026 wrote: Checking Elements prices you don't seem to save that much when you factor in shipping.
And you need to spend £80 to qualify for free shipping.
Which is twice as much as Wayland.
theres a new store that i found one day but ive lost it session crashed and no bookmark, it did have a reward thing but ive lost it
dan2026 wrote: Do Dark Sphere do free shipping for ordering over a certain amount?
Looked but can't find anything.
no basically it works like this if you want something close to 40 pounds so within 37-41 its better to order with wayland as the free shipping negates the discount DS offers any more so 50 ish DS tend to have the edge because even if its a pound or two it still is cheaper
dan2026 wrote: Do Dark Sphere do free shipping for ordering over a certain amount?
Looked but can't find anything.
no basically it works like this if you want something close to 40 pounds so within 37-41 its better to order with wayland as the free shipping negates the discount DS offers any more so 50 ish DS tend to have the edge because even if its a pound or two it still is cheaper
Thanks. Trying to decide where to order deathwatch overkill from.
dan2026 wrote: Do Dark Sphere do free shipping for ordering over a certain amount?
Looked but can't find anything.
no basically it works like this if you want something close to 40 pounds so within 37-41 its better to order with wayland as the free shipping negates the discount DS offers any more so 50 ish DS tend to have the edge because even if its a pound or two it still is cheaper
Thanks. Trying to decide where to order deathwatch overkill from.
I put up a thread in dakka discussions. please contribute
dan2026 wrote: Checking Elements prices you don't seem to save that much when you factor in shipping.
And you need to spend £80 to qualify for free shipping.
Which is twice as much as Wayland.
I'm still amazed at how perfect these minis are (for me, at least). It would have been easy for them to blow up or reimagine the concept. It's been 27 years since the original models were released!
Instead, they created (in the case of the Hybrids in particular) new minis with today's technology that are *very faithful* to the old metal versions. Having painted 100+ of the old metals, I know those minis in and out, and it's just awesome how much these models reference the originals -- from the poses, to the armor plates, to their autoguns, to the nose plugs, to the back controls, to even the way some of their robes fall. It's clear that the sculptors closely studied the old versions, and that these are in many ways a tribute to the Goodwin and Olley originals.
Kudos and thanks to the studio! It's like Christmas in February to this old Cultist. (You'll get that fruit basket when the codex arrives. )
I know this has been discussed before. But it would seem thathat GW is saying that you don't need to roll to hit to use Psychic Scream. Otherwise Big Daddy can't use his own power.
I know this has been discussed before. But it would seem thathat GW is saying that you don't need to roll to hit to use Psychic Scream. Otherwise Big Daddy can't use his own power.
Or just general incompetence, seeing as they're not FAQing anything about it
dan2026 wrote: Checking Elements prices you don't seem to save that much when you factor in shipping.
And you need to spend £80 to qualify for free shipping.
Which is twice as much as Wayland.
Which is irrelevant when discussing a product that will cost £80 after the discount...
Element Games is best if you're ordering enough to get their free shipping, otherwise go with Darksphere. Wayland are comical, total lottery whether you get great service or end up waiting weeks. EDIT: Not tried 4TK, what's their shipping like cost-wise?
dan2026 wrote: Checking Elements prices you don't seem to save that much when you factor in shipping.
And you need to spend £80 to qualify for free shipping.
Which is twice as much as Wayland.
Which is irrelevant when discussing a product that will cost £80 after the discount...
Element Games is best if you're ordering enough to get their free shipping, otherwise go with Darksphere. Wayland are comical, total lottery whether you get great service or end up waiting weeks. EDIT: Not tried 4TK, what's their shipping like cost-wise?
they dont seem to have free shipping at all looks like it will be ds or elements then
I know this has been discussed before. But it would seem thathat GW is saying that you don't need to roll to hit to use Psychic Scream. Otherwise Big Daddy can't use his own power.
Psychic Scream is a Tyranid nova power that has nothing to do with the Patriarch.
I tend to go with Dark Sphere if I'm going in to London and can arrange to collect my order from their shop (super cheap), or Element / 4TK if not. Wayland are only really worthwhile if they have a sale or promotion on -- I pretty much never buy GW stuff from them though. And of course Wayland have become less reliable in terms of shipping stuff out (they took one order from me in mid-November that included some Otherworld minis intended for my son's Xmas present... and which they eventually acknowledged in mid Jan was never going to ship at all).
I know this has been discussed before. But it would seem thathat GW is saying that you don't need to roll to hit to use Psychic Scream. Otherwise Big Daddy can't use his own power.
Psychic Scream is a Tyranid nova power that has nothing to do with the Patriarch.
you know perfectly well he meant psychic shriek, you don't have to prove people that you know the names of psychic powers better than them on the internet...
Yodhrin wrote: Where are people thinking the best deal for the UK will be, Darksphere?
Probably though I've found that they and wayland kinda even out after shipping.
Triple helix and firestorm are about the same but I have not ordered from them
2boxes limit also
Element - free shipping and 15-20% off.
same as wayland. free shiping over 40,
Except Element is next day delivery. Wayland is next month.
I know this has been discussed before. But it would seem thathat GW is saying that you don't need to roll to hit to use Psychic Scream. Otherwise Big Daddy can't use his own power.
Psychic Scream is a Tyranid nova power that has nothing to do with the Patriarch.
you know perfectly well he meant psychic shriek, you don't have to prove people that you know the names of psychic powers better than them on the internet...
A power that it doesn't have and a power that it can't use. GW quality no matter which way you slice it
Yodhrin wrote: Where are people thinking the best deal for the UK will be, Darksphere?
Probably though I've found that they and wayland kinda even out after shipping.
Triple helix and firestorm are about the same but I have not ordered from them
2boxes limit also
Element - free shipping and 15-20% off.
same as wayland. free shiping over 40,
Except Element is next day delivery. Wayland is next month.
They are that good? Damn my bad luck must have been an aberration?
Vhalyar wrote: It's entirely relevant, as one of the big deal models of the box is broken in 40k and one of the purposes of the box is to be used in 40k.
This thread is in the news and rumors section of the forum. Also the thread is called Deathwatch Overkill which is a board game first, 40k models second. If you really feel this forum needs another 5-10 page discussion about psychic shriek I encourage you to make a thread in the 40k You Make Da Call section, thank you.
If this is a problem then a mod will certainly step in and kindly ask us to take it over there; until then I suggest that you PM me if you want to keep discussing that particular line of thought and here we can stay on the topic of DW Overkill and the associated White Dwarf content
Vhalyar wrote: It's entirely relevant, as one of the big deal models of the box is broken in 40k and one of the purposes of the box is to be used in 40k.
There is more to the Telepathy discipline that only Psychic Shriek, like Shrouding and Invisibility. It can't use the primaris power, but that hardly means it is "broken".
One thing to remember, we haven't seen any rules for the Familiers yet. I'm quite interested to see what they do and how they work. If they have a BS then maybe they're the ones that can fire the Shriek, getting round any problem regarding Witchfires without profiles.
Interesting about the sprues is, that the models are quiet mixed. I guess it seems not probable to get a new supplement "Genestealer Cults" any time soon, otherwise the models would have been separated by type in order to repack the sprues for individual sale.
MasterOfGaunts wrote: Interesting about the sprues is, that the models are quiet mixed. I guess it seems not probable to get a new supplement "Genestealer Cults" any time soon, otherwise the models would have been seperated by type in order to repack the sprues for individual sale.
Unless they might do something like, say, a "Genestealer Cult" formation boxed set.
DarkStarSabre wrote: That's....very interesting. Their strange not quite snap fit nature looks like it'll be conversion heaven for those wanting to do multiple units - just a SM bits box needed to go nuts.
I want to see the Stealer Cult stuff though. Might be in luck with a sale so may have money- was going to put a huge chunk to 30k shinies but part of me SO wants to do a Stealer Cult....
On the space marine side, they're nearly Space Hulk style snapfits, with the two very important differences -- the shoulder pads appear to have been separated, which makes the models far more useful (or much less work) for conversion, and some of the weapon hands seem to be separate, which is a wonderful thing. It's kinda monopose multipart
The positives about this are that this is a LOT easier for people who aren't into fiddly bits to assemble, especially on matching up arms; and that it will also mean less time to prep, both of which are good things. Plus, fixed poses generally mean getting some nice poses without much work in exchange for the loss of flexibility. In a small box set, I would prefer the flexibility, but in a big box set, this is nice, because realistically, I'm unlikely to have more than a couple of sets of these models anyhow (famous last words).
As with many others, I can't wait to see the Cult sprues Though personally, I'm a space marine junkie, so I have no problem with seeing these leaks first
There's a lot of value if you're a fan of SM, GSC, and board games.
Using American pricing: $165 for 50 minis, is $3.30 per mini, with essentially a free board game tossed in.
If you're not a fan of SM, and only want the GSC then I'm sure you'll be able to find those sprues on ebay for a cheaper price, and vice versa. If you're not a fan of all 3 aspects, then don't bother.
Yodhrin wrote: Where are people thinking the best deal for the UK will be, Darksphere?
Probably though I've found that they and wayland kinda even out after shipping.
Triple helix and firestorm are about the same but I have not ordered from them
2boxes limit also
Element - free shipping and 15-20% off.
same as wayland. free shiping over 40,
Except Element is next day delivery. Wayland is next month.
They are that good? Damn my bad luck must have been an aberration?
Every other tweet Element post is someone saying "Wow, great service! I ordered yesterday and it arrived today!" as if Element deliver their stuff personally. Never a thanks for the hard working Royal Mail grunt who turns up at 5 to manually fill his van with tons of toy soldiers! Really irks me that they take full credit
Edit - too to to. Doh.
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MasterOfGaunts wrote: Interesting about the sprues is, that the models are quiet mixed. I guess it seems not probable to get a new supplement "Genestealer Cults" any time soon, otherwise the models would have been separated by type in order to repack the sprues for individual sale.
Per Atia on B&C, both factions will get full rulesets later this year.
Plastic molds don't cost them anywhere near what they used to. I'm sure this game (these sprues) will be nicely profitable for GW, and then they'll release regular kits later this year with different sprues (with extra stuff on them so we'll want to have them).
Yodhrin wrote: Where are people thinking the best deal for the UK will be, Darksphere?
Probably though I've found that they and wayland kinda even out after shipping.
Triple helix and firestorm are about the same but I have not ordered from them
2boxes limit also
Element - free shipping and 15-20% off.
same as wayland. free shiping over 40,
Except Element is next day delivery. Wayland is next month.
They are that good? Damn my bad luck must have been an aberration?
Every other tweet Element post is someone saying "Wow, great service! I ordered yesterday and it arrived today!" as if Element deliver their stuff personally. Never a thanks for the hard working Royal Mail grunt who turns up at 5 to manually fill his van with tons of toy soldiers! Really irks me that they take full credit
Edit - too to to. Doh.
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Vhalyar wrote:If this is a problem then a mod will certainly step in and kindly ask us to take it over there; until then I suggest that you PM me if you want to keep discussing that particular line of thought and here we can stay on the topic of DW Overkill and the associated White Dwarf content
reds8n wrote:take it over there
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My regular postie is a fantastic dude. Helps me a lot with stuff if its heavy or big because of my disabilities . Goes out of his way. I have had awful postpeople who just throw stuff at my door though I've found that Yodel tend to be the worst at that stuff. But yes I agree Royal Mail can be excellent. But for the prices that you pay you should get decent service.
Stormwall wrote: This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.
I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.
Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.
$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.
So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.
Stormwall wrote: This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.
I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.
Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.
$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.
So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.
dan2026 wrote: Checking Elements prices you don't seem to save that much when you factor in shipping.
And you need to spend £80 to qualify for free shipping.
Which is twice as much as Wayland.
Which is irrelevant when discussing a product that will cost £80 after the discount...
Element Games is best if you're ordering enough to get their free shipping, otherwise go with Darksphere. Wayland are comical, total lottery whether you get great service or end up waiting weeks. EDIT: Not tried 4TK, what's their shipping like cost-wise?
Free delivery on orders above £80, normally a flat £2.50 below that. I buy from them frequently and have never had a problem.
Also, the 40k rules for the models will be available for free download on the actual release date.
Hulksmash wrote: I'll probably go thru the warstore. 5% more off isn't worth getting it 2 weeks after its out from Frontline since I've had issues getting things in a reasonable amount t of time from them.
The Card Ogre has these going for $116 and should have plenty.
Element are excellent. I've ordered from them a lot, and I've only had one order that didn't arrive the next day, and that came 2 days later. And yeah they don't deliver it personally but I've not had such quick delivery from anyone else so it must be something they do, so it's still their service. The Outpost are very good too, almost as quick. Any issues I've had with either were resolved very quickly by phone or via Facebook.
Stormwall wrote: This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.
I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.
Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.
$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.
So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.
But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!
Stormwall wrote: This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.
I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.
Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.
$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.
So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.
But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!
Stormwall wrote: This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.
I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.
Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.
$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.
So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.
But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!
I don't think they will, I think people are only using that comparison based on the similarity in quality and detail between the $30 clampack characters and the DWO marines.
Especially if GW see people selling the individual characters in EBay for £10-15 a pop. Even if they only take a small percentage of that market they will see it as worthwhile.
Another vote for Element here. I would say that with new releases you are unlikely to get it on the Saturday release day, more likely the next Monday, as they tend not to post it until the Saturday.
Hulksmash wrote: I'll probably go thru the warstore. 5% more off isn't worth getting it 2 weeks after its out from Frontline since I've had issues getting things in a reasonable amount t of time from them.
The Card Ogre has these going for $116 and should have plenty.
Link?
I'll second the request for a link.
And maybe some idea about their service.
~Eric
Mugu in Everett, WA will have these at around $117 for walk-in customers. I don't think they'll offer this price for any mail-order buyers, though. They like to reward people who actually come into the store to buy.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: Especially if GW see people selling the individual characters in EBay for £10-15 a pop. Even if they only take a small percentage of that market they will see it as worthwhile.
Another vote for Element here. I would say that with new releases you are unlikely to get it on the Saturday release day, more likely the next Monday, as they tend not to post it until the Saturday.
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Mugu in Everett, WA will have these at around $117 for walk-in customers. I don't think they'll offer this price for any mail-order buyers, though. They like to reward people who actually come into the store to buy.
May have to check this out. Hopefully they will still have some in stock after 4PM or so when I get a chance to get out there.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: Especially if GW see people selling the individual characters in EBay for £10-15 a pop. Even if they only take a small percentage of that market they will see it as worthwhile.
Another vote for Element here. I would say that with new releases you are unlikely to get it on the Saturday release day, more likely the next Monday, as they tend not to post it until the Saturday.
I think 10-20 will be standard for the SM
If you broke it down purely by mini count, the DW make up 22% of the box, which is $36.30, and $128.70 for the GSC portion respectively. Unfortunately, I think they'll probably be priced around your estimate by ebay/3rd party sellers, and the GSC portion will most likely be $75-$90 based on previous pricing trends of split box sets.
This is all conjecture, though, so we'll have to wait and see the actual costs once it hits the market.
Depends if it is a limited release as well. I think the best route is friends/fellow hobbyists to swap and mix and match. Local GWs are good at brokering that kind of thing too...but rarely have we had such a big disparity between the sizes of the two forces.
It will be interesting to see what supply/demand does to the sides price-wise. I think a lot of the marine players will be fine with one squad to add to their collection, whereas I think a lot of cultists are not going to be happy until they can carpet the world in hybrids.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: Depends if it is a limited release as well. I think the best route is friends/fellow hobbyists to swap and mix and match. Local GWs are good at brokering that kind of thing too...but rarely have we had such a big disparity between the sizes of the two forces.
it is quite striking but also the disparity in troop types for marines 2 characters, 2 jump packs, and a bike guy that can easily be used as a lord, and the terminator. I know a few people who sell parts, and im offloading most of the marines from the few boxes ill get.
Stormwall wrote: This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.
I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.
Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.
$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.
So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.
But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!
Plastic clamshell characters at the $30 price range:
Sanguinary Priest, Blood Angels Librarian in Terminator Armour, Space Marine Captain, Space Marine Librarian, Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain, Wolf Lord Krom, Ulrik the Slayer, Space Wolves Iron Priest.
That's 8 SM characters at $30 a pop. Of those, 3(Krom, Ulrik, Iron Priest) just came out in the last few weeks. The rest are at least a year old.
Space Marine Librarian in Terminator Armor is $31.
Each of the plastic Assassins is $32(but they don't count because they're not Space Marines).
The Blood Angels Captain in Terminator Armor and Blood Angels Chaplain with Jump Pack are $33 each, same with the Eldar Farseer/Warlock Skyrunner kit.
The last of the plastic blisters is $36 for the Techpriest Dominus. The Ork Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun is $37, but also is a boxed set so skates by on a technicality.
Stormwall wrote: This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.
I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.
Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.
$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.
So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.
But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!
Plastic clamshell characters at the $30 price range: Sanguinary Priest, Blood Angels Librarian in Terminator Armour, Space Marine Captain, Space Marine Librarian, Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain, Wolf Lord Krom, Ulrik the Slayer, Space Wolves Iron Priest. That's 8 SM characters at $30 a pop. Of those, 3(Krom, Ulrik, Iron Priest) just came out in the last few weeks. The rest are at least a year old.
Space Marine Librarian in Terminator Armor is $31.
Each of the plastic Assassins is $32(but they don't count because they're not Space Marines).
The Blood Angels Captain in Terminator Armor and Blood Angels Chaplain with Jump Pack are $33 each, same with the Eldar Farseer/Warlock Skyrunner kit.
The last of the plastic blisters is $36 for the Techpriest Dominus. The Ork Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun is $37, but also is a boxed set so skates by on a technicality.
Plastic blister prices are friggin' weird.
Part of the issue with the pricing is that these aren't, for the most part, fancy Independent Characters that you can join to a unit. The overwhelming majority (7 of the 11) are Vanguard or Sternguard Vets with fewer options than the Sternguard box and different shoulder pads/elbows. Sternguard Vets are 60 bucks for 5, so the $30 per model price tag is ludicrous. $30 for Cassius and the Librarian is reasonable. $30 or more for a non-IC Terminator or a non-IC Biker is also ludicrous. I'm not sure why anyone would ever want to field either if you can't join them to a squad (outside a single less than useful Formation).
Realistically, you're looking at 5 Sternguard Vets at 12 bucks a pop, 2 Vanguard Vets at 10 bucks a pop, 2 fancy Power Armored ICs at 30 bucks a pop, a Biker and a Terminator. Terminators are normally 12 bucks a pop in the recent, nicer looking kits. Bikers are a littler over 13 each for the most recent fancy Biker kit (Black Knights). Let's multiple the Terminator and Biker prices by 1.5 to account for the fancier looking details and also just to be nice.
My estimate is that these models are worth closer to 177 USD if we actually look at comparable kits. You can't say that Squad Donatus should cost 150 USD (5 x 30 USD) when it's really just a Sternguard Kit with fewer weapon options and Deathwatch themed detailing. If anything, 60 USD might be a generous valuation for a 5 man Sternguard kit lacking cutomization options.
Part of the issue with the pricing is that these aren't, for the most part, fancy Independent Characters that you can join to a unit. The overwhelming majority (7 of the 11) are Vanguard or Sternguard Vets with fewer options than the Sternguard box and different shoulder pads/elbows. Sternguard Vets are 60 bucks for 5, so the $30 per model price tag is ludicrous. $30 for Cassius and the Librarian is reasonable. $30 or more for a non-IC Terminator or a non-IC Biker is also ludicrous. I'm not sure why anyone would ever want to field either if you can't join them to a squad (outside a single less than useful Formation).
People said the same thing about the Solitaire. "Who would buy one when you can just build one from the bits in a Harlequin box?"
Realistically, you're looking at 5 Sternguard Vets at 12 bucks a pop, 2 Vanguard Vets at 10 bucks a pop, 2 fancy Power Armored ICs at 30 bucks a pop, a Biker and a Terminator. Terminators are normally 12 bucks a pop in the recent, nicer looking kits. Bikers are a littler over 13 each for the most recent fancy Biker kit (Black Knights). Let's multiple the Terminator and Biker prices by 1.5 to account for the fancier looking details and also just to be nice.
My estimate is that these models are worth closer to 177 USD if we actually look at comparable kits. You can't say that Squad Donatus should cost 150 USD (5 x 30 USD) when it's really just a Sternguard Kit with fewer weapon options and Deathwatch themed detailing. If anything, 60 USD might be a generous valuation for a 5 man Sternguard kit lacking cutomization options.
Squad Donatus is a weird one. I'm genuinely surprised we didn't see individual datasheets for each member.
But you can't make the assumption of "less variation than a Sternguard kit" or things of that nature based upon a boxed game.
So having not pre-orderd before whats the del time like ? Is it dispatched so it turns up fri/sat or is it dispatched on the sat so it turns up tuesday ish ? From gw ?
But you can't make the assumption of "less variation than a Sternguard kit" or things of that nature based upon a boxed game.
Exactly. I paid $60 for a 5 man sternguard box that didn't have all the weapon options I needed for the loadout I was building. The DWO marines have a predefined loadout, like Space Hulk and clampack characters, so if someone wanted to kit them out differently it would require converting no matter what. Some people are strictly WYSIWYG, and some have no problem proxying.
In the end it all boils down to personal taste and what you plan to do with the minis to determine if there's value in it for you or not.
So from Saturday we should be able to play some demo games in GW stores and ogle the minis right!? Today my local were taunting me that they had a box out back!
OMFG. The Genestealer sprues look AWESOME. BoLS has some leaks. The Patriarch makes me so excited. I love all the modern GW plastic robes/capes/belted robes, a la Harlequins, Sanguinary Priest, Kurtha Sedd, etc.!!
But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!
I don't think they will, I think people are only using that comparison based on the similarity in quality and detail between the $30 clampack characters and the DWO marines.
Does resin count? The Primarch collection is 11 minis for GBP670... $1k+
I was speaking about it purely as a board game. Imagine if there wasn't a compatible miniatures game you were going to use the models for. If it were any other board game, players would cry foul if they had to buy extra boxes to transport their game around. If you bought a copy of Risk, or even a euro game like Carcasonne, and all the little plastic soldiers/meeple couldn't be put back into the box so you could haul it around, you wouldn't be happy.
Well, that's a problem with most boardgames that contain larger multi-piece models. Even if they're snap-fit the desire to put them back to pieces stops once you painted them.
I guess if you don't want to buy another box you just have to wrap the models, put them in the box and use a simple bag for the tiles, counters and cards.
Agreed - My Zombicide models don't get chucked back into the box once painted. Shadows of Brimstone has some BIG boys in it that won't fit back into the box. I agree that for many boardgames it's incredibly handy to be able to fit all of the components back into the box, but with Miniatures Boardgames it's often a bit different to those that use meeples.
I was speaking about it purely as a board game. Imagine if there wasn't a compatible miniatures game you were going to use the models for. If it were any other board game, players would cry foul if they had to buy extra boxes to transport their game around. If you bought a copy of Risk, or even a euro game like Carcasonne, and all the little plastic soldiers/meeple couldn't be put back into the box so you could haul it around, you wouldn't be happy.
Well, that's a problem with most boardgames that contain larger multi-piece models. Even if they're snap-fit the desire to put them back to pieces stops once you painted them.
I guess if you don't want to buy another box you just have to wrap the models, put them in the box and use a simple bag for the tiles, counters and cards.
Agreed - My Zombicide models don't get chucked back into the box once painted. Shadows of Brimstone has some BIG boys in it that won't fit back into the box. I agree that for many boardgames it's incredibly handy to be able to fit all of the components back into the box, but with Miniatures Boardgames it's often a bit different to those that use meeples.
It's just not the same thing because most people buy a $150+ miniature board game to have the miniatures; I don't think anyone would pay $150 for a board game without the miniatures. And if you want the miniatures, you're dealing with all the same issues as any other miniature/collectible hobby, which is the display or storage of finished miniatures.
The amount of GW product I have bought over the decades has actually been proportionate to square footage of my home, LOL. When I ended up buying a single-family home for the first time, my miniature purchases (GW and otherwise) skyrocketed, and it wasn't because of either income or ability to buy the stuff -- it was the space to display or store the thousands of models that I wasn't actively using and the shelves full of stuff that I dream of modelling.
As long as you can get clippers on to them. Sometimes when they densely pack a sprue they have to give the attachment points a weird shape that isn't all that conducive to removing them without damage.
CURNOW wrote: So having not pre-orderd before whats the del time like ? Is it dispatched so it turns up fri/sat or is it dispatched on the sat so it turns up tuesday ish ? From gw ?
It seems to depend on if it's home or store delivery.
Store delivery, barring some kind of huge crisis with their shipping department, they'll be there for Saturday.
Home delivery? Anyone's guess! Sometimes it's early, sometimes it's after the release, sometimes it's the day of release.
As long as you can get clippers on to them. Sometimes when they densely pack a sprue they have to give the attachment points a weird shape that isn't all that conducive to removing them without damage.
When the sprues are packed like that or it's a piece that is extremely detailed, I usually will clip the sprue around each attachment point to get the part loose and then remove the attachment points after.
Some people who've seen me do it at the local GW(notably when I was working on Archaon) look at me like I'm crazy.
But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!
I don't think they will, I think people are only using that comparison based on the similarity in quality and detail between the $30 clampack characters and the DWO marines.
Does resin count? The Primarch collection is 11 minis for GBP670... $1k+
This is why I don't buy from FW. Love the minis, hate the cost and all the "joy' that resin entails.
edit: I saw Zombicide mentioned earlier, I actually love Zombicide for the fact that the boxes have premade plastic "cases" for all the figs to be put in and stored back in the main box when not in play. Black Plague being the best example.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Well damn, I really hope I can get the Cultist sprue for a decent price from Ebay, etc.
I am hoping the same for the Marines. I am going halfsies on a boxed set for the DW, but I kinda want more for customization purposes.
I did notice that the DW characters have NO chapter tactics of any sort, so one could even just play these as a specialized squad of Marines all from one chapter. I have considered doing just that, but I think I am going to paint my first group of the models as the intended characters. If I get a second group, they will all become Crimson Fists and Blood Angels.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Well damn, I really hope I can get the Cultist sprue for a decent price from Ebay, etc.
I am hoping the same for the Marines. I am going halfsies on a boxed set for the DW, but I kinda want more for customization purposes.
I did notice that the DW characters have NO chapter tactics of any sort, so one could even just play these as a specialized squad of Marines all from one chapter. I have considered doing just that, but I think I am going to paint my first group of the models as the intended characters. If I get a second group, they will all become Crimson Fists and Blood Angels.
That's actually something I was surprised by.
While they don't have the special rule "Chapter Tactics", they do have the special rules associated with them. It's what made me think that we were going to see them all as ICs, since that would actually allow you to add in a Deathwatch member to a Codex: Space Marines unit with CT that would not cancel out their existing CTs.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Well damn, I really hope I can get the Cultist sprue for a decent price from Ebay, etc.
I am hoping the same for the Marines. I am going halfsies on a boxed set for the DW, but I kinda want more for customization purposes.
I did notice that the DW characters have NO chapter tactics of any sort, so one could even just play these as a specialized squad of Marines all from one chapter. I have considered doing just that, but I think I am going to paint my first group of the models as the intended characters. If I get a second group, they will all become Crimson Fists and Blood Angels.
That's actually something I was surprised by.
While they don't have the special rule "Chapter Tactics", they do have the special rules associated with them. It's what made me think that we were going to see them all as ICs, since that would actually allow you to add in a Deathwatch member to a Codex: Space Marines unit with CT that would not cancel out their existing CTs.
Yes, but at least this way the Librarian and Chaplain can attach to other Chapters and not mess with Chapter Tactics. I would rather they were all I'd though. However, many of them have what type of unit they are, so perhaps we will get a more thorough way to represent these guys. I don't like having to take the full squad to get to use five of the members.
Talys wrote: OMFG. The Genestealer sprues look AWESOME. BoLS has some leaks. The Patriarch makes me so excited. I love all the modern GW plastic robes/capes/belted robes, a la Harlequins, Sanguinary Priest, Kurtha Sedd, etc.!!
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With these, plus the shoulder pads being separated, I think I may have to up my preorder to 2 sets :X
Who knows, maybe if these forces become actual, legit armies, we might get codices for them that will straighten out any minutiae people are picking over about their integration to 40k
I think this boxed set, BaC and several other recent events are relighting my fire for GW in a big way.
Oh yeah, and specialist games coming back, I will be a screaming teenage girl at a boyband concert when BFG returns to me.
The shoulder pads are almost all separate. And the left (DW-centric) arms are almost all separate as well. Very flexible part breakdown, especially for monopose Marines.
@Median Trace - Yeah, I think you're right. I'll keep my pre-order to just 1 until I see the actual sprues. It's gonna take a long time to get through 50 models anyhow, but at the end of the day, I think this is a box set that I'll have to buy 2 of. It would be nice to have more game tiles, too.
dienekes96 wrote: The shoulder pads are almost all separate. And the left (DW-centric) arms are almost all separate as well. Very flexible part breakdown, especially for monopose Marines.
I'm quite impressed.
Now it's about the iconography. The BA, DA and SW Marines are probably unsalvageable, but if that Imp Fist isn't covered in fists, he could be an interesting Devastator elsewhere.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Does anyone know if this is a permanent product or is it one of those ORDER NOW FANBOI OR YOU WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN things.
Apparently the latter, but probably not quite that capslock-ish in urgency We're probably not looking at Space Hulk or Void Shield limited, but I wouldn't put off ordering it if you do want one.
It's supposedly a pretty big run, and I'm pretty sure they'll be limiting how many you can buy at a time to try and stop the eBay jerks squeezing people for "rare" or "OOP" box sets.
Emailed GW Customer Services about availability this morning and here's the response. Panic not:
Me:
Good morning,
I've seen the YouTube video for the above and was just wondering how big this will be in terms of quantity. I assume it's a fairly large run since Genestealer Cults haven't been around for a long time!
Would appreciate it if you could shed any light on this.
Thanks
GW
Good morning,
Thank you for your email.
All I can say is that this item will be in the range for the foreseeable future and it isn't a limited edition. It will be on pre-order on Saturday 27th February.
Ktulhut wrote: Way too blinged out for me. I mean, the models were obviously going to have a fair bit of detail but I feel like it's way too much chapter specific stuff, which is not at all what Deathwatch marines should be about.
Hopefully the cult can save this release.
Marines in general are suffering from an over-blingification across the spectrum. Part of the reason the BaC set is so nice is that the models aren't caked in 10-20 pieces of flair.
I get the feeling that GW is overdoing the marine bling in 40K on purpose to differentiate 30K and 40K more - clean and sleek, simply practical v gothic overkill and millenia of added ritual
Hulksmash wrote: I'll probably go thru the warstore. 5% more off isn't worth getting it 2 weeks after its out from Frontline since I've had issues getting things in a reasonable amount t of time from them.
The Card Ogre has these going for $116 and should have plenty.
Link?
TheCardOgre usually posts his newsletters over at Bartertown but has not made a post about Deathwatch so ill copy paste the body of the email.
Deathwatch Overkill will indeed be released on 27-feb 2016 & it will have a retail price of $165
The product is a "standard item"
..however - right now it is only assumed to be available for 90 days, that is IN STOCK to OUT OF STOCK, but for sure coming back IN STOCK in the first 90 days.
Its my guess that it will go in and out of stock for a while due to the fact that its a very good product in my opinion, and the high demand that will follow with it - but I dont think it will just go away and be considered NO LONGER AVAILABLE.
So the GAME is really the big thing here, well unless you think its the MODELS, or it might be the STORY.....
The Game is too awesome to explain in this email - but I can bet you play the game more than you played some others that GW made.
The Models are amazing & The Story is really cool. As you can guess, its a Deathwatch kill team, but did you know that it is lead by Chaplin Cassius? And a Veteran Terminator that has a heavy flamer, and a power fist that has a meltagun built into it! And there is a guy with a custom heavy bolter - a guy with a sweet sword - an imperial fist veteran with a frag cannon! Yeah the same one that blood angel dreadnoughts have! Why all the cool gear?
This Kill Team is hunting down a Xenos Threat, and what they encounter is the very first appearance known to the Adeptes Astartes of a Tyranid Genestealer cult & a new form of how tyranids threaten the Emperor.
The 11 Marines face off against a slew of 39 Tyranids, with many different models and types of foes not seen before - Lead by a powerful psycher!
So this is indeed a set that I will have interrupt my other projects - gladly! And in an effort for you to get to enjoy it too we will leave it as a standard discount even if GW sells out - so what? We got 65 coming next week!
so first come first serve (dont get crazy!) - you pay $115!
We are doing phase 1 of our move tomorrow - so please be patient and I will return to all emails Wednesday
Don't ask the question and you don't get the answer
To be fair, GW have spent a fairly long period of time conditioning their customers for something more along the lines of "ask the question and you don't get the answer", and occasionally also "don't ask the question, or else *fist shake*"
Good to know this is going to stick around. I'm splitting a box, so I'm sorted for the Marine half on release but if this is still around in the summer, I'll be after the Stealer half (either second hand if Ebay isn't being extortionate or buying it new and splitting the box the other way).
Hey is anyone looking for going 50/50 split ? I'm wanting the Genestealer half, Bits and kits have put up pre orders but it's going to be more expensive than going halfs !
Wolf wrote: Hey is anyone looking for going 50/50 split ? I'm wanting the Genestealer half, Bits and kits have put up pre orders but it's going to be more expensive than going halfs !
Wow, no kidding, £5 per individual Cult model is mental. £3 profit on a £2 figure, eh, naw.
Hmmm, I'm looking into getting more game tiles (and cards etc) - but I don't want to pay through the teeth for them. Hopefully there will be some eBay bargains! £10 seems reasonable in my eyes...
SJM wrote: Sorry if its a bit off topic but any news if a new Tyranid Codex is due? And so will Genestealer cult be part of it?
Thinking of starting a Tyranid force.
We are super sure on if they will be their own force (maybe like a Skitarii type book?) or what. They have their own symbols on the top of the pages, but we might know more when we see the full leak.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah I thought Bits & Kits would be offering them in sets (ie. the Hybrid set, the Deathwatch set, etc.). But at £5 each for a Hybrid, no thanks...
I think some of those prices are a bit low. £12 for the White Scars guy? I expect him to easily double that.
Bottle wrote: Hmmm, I'm looking into getting more game tiles (and cards etc) - but I don't want to pay through the teeth for them. Hopefully there will be some eBay bargains! £10 seems reasonable in my eyes...
I would be happy to sell mine out of a set, but I think the overseas shipping would make that unfeasible.
I'm honestly thinking buying the full set and parting out the non-genestealer stuff will be my best option, as I'm afraid the ebay prices will be too high. I absolutely need to have them ASAP for Necromunda though!
Am I the only one that is disappointed that there is no way to give the Deathwatch a transport? They have to foot slog everywhere they go. Squad Donatus and one of the commanders could pick up a Razorback from their allies though, but that is still kinda lame.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Am I the only one that is disappointed that there is no way to give the Deathwatch a transport? They have to foot slog everywhere they go. Squad Donatus and one of the commanders could pick up a Razorback from their allies though, but that is still kinda lame.
Their world consist of four boards they don't need a transport, The cult also don't have a cruiser (or did you mean the 40k rules?)
casvalremdeikun wrote: Am I the only one that is disappointed that there is no way to give the Deathwatch a transport? They have to foot slog everywhere they go. Squad Donatus and one of the commanders could pick up a Razorback from their allies though, but that is still kinda lame.
Their world consist of four boards they don't need a transport, The cult also don't have a cruiser (or did you mean the 40k rules?)
And yet one of them is on a bike and two have jump packs.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah I thought Bits & Kits would be offering them in sets (ie. the Hybrid set, the Deathwatch set, etc.). But at £5 each for a Hybrid, no thanks...
I think some of those prices are a bit low. £12 for the White Scars guy? I expect him to easily double that.
And £10 for the two Familiars, the pricing just seems all over the place.
Well, I'm looking very much forward to the miniatures of this game, notably the Deathwatch minis. I think the Deathwatch force should be playable as an allied army, especially the formation.
wuestenfux wrote: Well, I'm looking very much forward to the miniatures of this game, notably the Deathwatch minis. I think the Deathwatch force should be playable as an allied army, especially the formation.
Since it's a formation you can just add it to whichever army you want.
wuestenfux wrote: Well, I'm looking very much forward to the miniatures of this game, notably the Deathwatch minis. I think the Deathwatch force should be playable as an allied army, especially the formation.
Since it's a formation you can just add it to whichever army you want.
I'd put good money on them being "Armies of the Imperium", so feel free to stick them (apart from the White Scar) in anyone else's Land Raider, Storm Raven, etc.
Shingen wrote: Anyone seen anymore pics of the Tyranid / Cult rules?
Also anyone know the pts cost of the Patriarch?
Please have a look into the new WD which is going to be released tomorrow.
You will find the profiles of the Deathwatch members including one formation.
There are pics of the Genestealer cult but no profiles yet.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Edit: Also it could be these are not the regular Genestealer Cult rules. E.g. A strictly 12 models Hybrid unit, named Patriarch, etc.
What we know by looking at the sheets these (and most likely all) Genestaler Cult units are not from the Tyranid faction but have their own (shown by the symbol on top of the sheets).
The GW advertisment email sent to shops said you will be able to ally them with Tyranids.
All 40k rules for DW: O models will be available for free on the GW website as well.
The GS Patriarch only having BS 0 has got to be a mistake, right? I am hoping it is just a bad image and it is actually BS6. Perhaps his familiars change that. He also has a profile for something on the right side of the page, so who knows.
It would be slightly weird GS Cult allying with Tyranids on the battlefield. As by the time the Nids get there the Cult will be seen as just more biomass.
dan2026 wrote: It would be slightly weird GS Cult allying with Tyranids on the battlefield. As by the time the Nids get there the Cult will be seen as just more biomass.
Yes, i am hoping they are not linked, I would not hold my breath though.
dan2026 wrote: It would be slightly weird GS Cult allying with Tyranids on the battlefield. As by the time the Nids get there the Cult will be seen as just more biomass.
True but they'd be willing to sacrifice themselves for biomass conversion. That's kind of the point- if a Tyranid hive fleet has to expend less effort to take the planet, then that'll give them resources to spare for the next planet.
dan2026 wrote: It would be slightly weird GS Cult allying with Tyranids on the battlefield. As by the time the Nids get there the Cult will be seen as just more biomass.
The Cult fights with them until the planet is conquored, then ALL biomass (including Tyranid forces) is consumed and absorbed by the Hive Fleet.
Nostromodamus wrote: The Cult fights with them until the planet is conquored, then ALL biomass (including Tyranid forces) is consumed and absorbed by the Hive Fleet.
Yeah I just don't see it. I can't imagine Mr. Carnifex turning a corner and seeing a gaggle of Brood Brothers armed with conventional weapons and going "Carnifex friend! Carnifex just want to hug! Carnifex take friends and find food!".
Nostromodamus wrote: The Cult fights with them until the planet is conquored, then ALL biomass (including Tyranid forces) is consumed and absorbed by the Hive Fleet.
Yeah I just don't see it. I can't imagine Mr. Carnifex turning a corner and seeing a gaggle of Brood Brothers armed with conventional weapons and going "Carnifex friend! Carnifex just want to hug! Carnifex take friends and find food!".
Nostromodamus wrote: The Cult fights with them until the planet is conquored, then ALL biomass (including Tyranid forces) is consumed and absorbed by the Hive Fleet.
Yeah I just don't see it. I can't imagine Mr. Carnifex turning a corner and seeing a gaggle of Brood Brothers armed with conventional weapons and going "Carnifex friend! Carnifex just want to hug! Carnifex take friends and find food!".
At that point the Hive Fleet/Mind has assumed control over Cult forces.
Nostromodamus wrote: The Cult fights with them until the planet is conquored, then ALL biomass (including Tyranid forces) is consumed and absorbed by the Hive Fleet.
Yeah I just don't see it. I can't imagine Mr. Carnifex turning a corner and seeing a gaggle of Brood Brothers armed with conventional weapons and going "Carnifex friend! Carnifex just want to hug! Carnifex take friends and find food!".
Considering the current codex has Carnifexes eat other Carnifexes when out of synapse control, I'm not sure you're making a good point.
I assume they give off the same psychic IFF code as the rest of the nids. So to the hive mind they “smell” just the same as a termagaunt or some other little gribby guy.
At least that’s what I’m going with. Vague fluff excuse that gives the ‘nids an ally and a little love. Bugs need it.
Yeah I just don't see it. I can't imagine Mr. Carnifex turning a corner and seeing a gaggle of Brood Brothers armed with conventional weapons and going "Carnifex friend! Carnifex just want to hug! Carnifex take friends and find food!".
At that point the Hive Fleet/Mind has assumed control over Cult forces.
Aye, that. Why do you think a carnifex would treat termagants and rippers, etc. any different?
Nostromodamus wrote: The Cult fights with them until the planet is conquored, then ALL biomass (including Tyranid forces) is consumed and absorbed by the Hive Fleet.
Yeah I just don't see it. I can't imagine Mr. Carnifex turning a corner and seeing a gaggle of Brood Brothers armed with conventional weapons and going "Carnifex friend! Carnifex just want to hug! Carnifex take friends and find food!".
The Carnifex isn't really thinking anything unless it's gone full-on Instinctive, in which case it would eat the Brood Brothers, the Tyranids that came along with it to the party, and probably chew on a few lampposts for good measure. If the Hive Mind takes control over the Brood, then anything else under the dominion of the Hive Mind would "see" them no differently than they "see" other 'nid organisms.
They're not "allies" in the sense of Guard and Inquisitors, or even Marines brofisting Necrons, they're just another disposable asset for the Hive Mind to use and consume as it sees fit, the fact a few of them tote autoguns rather than fleshborers or spinefists is irrelevant.
EDIT: Oh aye, what time(GMT) are we expecting the good pics to show up on the NZ GW page?
The white dwarf rules will be available for a long time. They released the white dwarf app in which you can buy any issue released since the apps creation. Then you can still read it or print it from there.
I have not had any interest in painting marines in decades, but I would love to paint those Deathwatch. At least I wouldn't get too bored out of monotony with them.
I'll be curious to see how much my local shop has this being offered up for. I may take the plunge.
I am really liking how easy it will be to turn that White Scar character into Ko'sarro Khan on Moondrakken. Literally just switching the DW pauldron out for a terminator honours pauldron will be all you need to do. The Dark Angel could be a good stand in for Cypher. Just swap the pauldrons around, give him a normal pauldron instead of a DW pauldron. Cut the power sword off and replace it with a bolt pistol and find a nice sword to put on his back. The Raven Guard character can be changed to Strike with a simple pauldron swap and some paint. Not really seeing any other simple character conversions.
What is going on with GW - great minis that people actually want and a light hearted play through of a game AND cross over rules for 40k??
it's like someone is running the place again!
I was initially interested in the box because of the models. The more I read/see, the more I'm interested in the game. Mechanics (with the dice and the different attacks depending on distance, etc) seem really cool. Already planning with my friends to edit the cards and make customized versions for my already sizeable Deathwatch force. Good stuff!
casvalremdeikun wrote: I am really liking how easy it will be to turn that White Scar character into Ko'sarro Khan on Moondrakken. Literally just switching the DW pauldron out for a terminator honours pauldron will be all you need to do. The Dark Angel could be a good stand in for Cypher. Just swap the pauldrons around, give him a normal pauldron instead of a DW pauldron. Cut the power sword off and replace it with a bolt pistol and find a nice sword to put on his back. The Raven Guard character can be changed to Strike with a simple pauldron swap and some paint. Not really seeing any other simple character conversions.
The Cassius model is quite aged now, and the new one only needs a quick weapon and a headswap to make him old and spacist.
casvalremdeikun wrote: I am really liking how easy it will be to turn that White Scar character into Ko'sarro Khan on Moondrakken. Literally just switching the DW pauldron out for a terminator honours pauldron will be all you need to do. The Dark Angel could be a good stand in for Cypher. Just swap the pauldrons around, give him a normal pauldron instead of a DW pauldron. Cut the power sword off and replace it with a bolt pistol and find a nice sword to put on his back. The Raven Guard character can be changed to Strike with a simple pauldron swap and some paint. Not really seeing any other simple character conversions.
The Cassius model is quite aged now, and the new one only needs a quick weapon and a headswap to make him old and spacist.
Also need to change his Crozius. He sticks a Tyranid skull on it post-Macragge invasion. REEEEALLY doesn't like Tyranids lol.
casvalremdeikun wrote: I am really liking how easy it will be to turn that White Scar character into Ko'sarro Khan on Moondrakken. Literally just switching the DW pauldron out for a terminator honours pauldron will be all you need to do. The Dark Angel could be a good stand in for Cypher. Just swap the pauldrons around, give him a normal pauldron instead of a DW pauldron. Cut the power sword off and replace it with a bolt pistol and find a nice sword to put on his back. The Raven Guard character can be changed to Strike with a simple pauldron swap and some paint. Not really seeing any other simple character conversions.
The Cassius model is quite aged now, and the new one only needs a quick weapon and a headswap to make him old and spacist.
Giving him a combi-flamer and a pauldron swap should work well enough. The old model head looks terrible. Giving him a plain head with a bionic eye would be a good option though.
No, there's the one from the Reclusiarch (sp?) Command Squad, the BA Jump Pack chaplain, and 2 DA Interrogator Chaplains (1 from the original Dark Vengeance and a newer one released more recently separately)
EnTyme wrote: I just looked through all of the chaplain models on GW.com. Is this the first plastic chaplain?
Nope. First Ultramarine plastic Chaplain, though. Oddly enough, the Reclusiam Command box has disappeared. Only the Dataslates up on the site. The Reclusiam Command came with a Razorback and command squad plus this guy in plastic: has disappeared.
Ah. I just looked under the Adeptus Astartes section, and I forgot about the one that comes with the RCS. Trying to figure out the best way to kit bash a plastic chaplain and captain with jump packs. I'm thinking of using the two packs that come with this box.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also Dark Angel models are uniformly badass.
At least Cassius is the first GOOD looking plastic Chaplain.
I do like all the plastics, other than the nit-picky side of me thinks the White Scar's legs being part of the bike gives him big wide clown shoes because of the lack of ability to undercut plastic. Even my ancient plastic bikers look better because of it.
EnTyme wrote: I just looked through all of the chaplain models on GW.com. Is this the first plastic chaplain?
Nope. First Ultramarine plastic Chaplain, though. Oddly enough, the Reclusiam Command box has disappeared. Only the Dataslates up on the site.
I bought the box just for the Chaplain. He was converted a bit to become my Deathwatch's chaplain. I could play him as a "helmeted version" of Cassius. Here he is posing with my librarian (Charnel Guard chapter) and Apothecary (Silver Skulls).
I wonder if adding the new Deathwatch team to my existing 10-man team from back in 3rd edition would make the two sides somewhat equal in an open battle (maybe add a purestrain or two).
Would be perfect to get my 2nd edition rules on the table (with a couple of additions of homebrew statlines for the broodlord and the brute-mutants, which would mostly be mods of the 7th ed stats, removing all the universal special rules).
AegisGrimm wrote: I wonder if adding the new Deathwatch team to my existing 10-man team from back in 3rd edition would make the two sides somewhat equal in an open battle (maybe add a purestrain or two).
Would be perfect to get my 2nd edition rules on the table (with a couple of additions of homebrew statlines for the broodlord and the brute-mutants, which would mostly be mods of the 7th ed stats, removing all the universal special rules).
The deathwatch formation is 535, I doubt the nids army totals over 550.
love Darksphere, my go to for warhammer.
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no i'm not a genestealer cult-mother ... 
