The Deathwatch are coming in 2016, but here’s who they will be fighting! Come on in for details:
A source who spoke to BoLS on condition of anonymity, says:
Opposition force for the Deathwatch in the Boardgame is Tyranids.
Look for Genestealers, Warriors, Lictors.
There is a “box only” Lictor Character.
As with Betrayal at Calth – these are standard 40K models fully usable outside the boardgame.
There is chatter of potential Deathwatch op-for xenos expansions for the boardgame (Orks, etc…)
Recall that the earlier set of info on the boxed game was:
dook for the Deathwatch to arrive in the Grimdark in 2016.
They will make their initial appearance in a boxed boardgame like Execution Force / Betrayal at Calth.
The Deathwatch models are based around a new Deathwatch upgrade sprue.
The sprue will contain items such the distinctive shoulderpads, and specialist equipment and weapons of the Deathwatch.
The Deathwatch sprue will be bundled atop the Sternguard base kit in the boardgame.
The game will allow for you to equip your Killteam’s weapons and equipment in a variety of ways with rules to support them all.
As with Betrayal at Calth – these are standard 40K models fully usable outside the boardgame.
There will be an opposing force the Deathwatch is pitted against with their own models in the box.
Opposing Viewpoints:
If you recall, across 2015, there have been intermittent voices saying that Genestealer Cult was coming. So the big question doing the rounds now is whether not the opposition force will be generic Tyranids, or if GW will turn the volume all the way up to 11 and do Genestealer Cult as multiple rumormongers this past year have said…
~Would you be all over Deathwatch forces that could evolve into a standalone codex later down the road for the Grimdark?
I wouldn't mind seeing a Deathwatch upgrade sprue for Sternguard, but given that this is BOLS we are talking about, there is probably next to no truth behind it.
Subscribed just in case. I would have loved something like this a few years back (both when I was building deathwatch squads and running a Deathwatch RPG campaign)... but now I'll just be mildly interested from the sidelines just like with Calth.
So much hostility! Glad I didn't post the plastic Battle Sisters rumors I've been sitting on.
Can you confirm they'll have the option of thunderhawk transports (to coincide with that plastic kit)?
Also I've heard there will be plastic greatcoat guard models with options to model them as frateris militia.
Sad Panda said that there was another boardgame coming and gave no specifics.
I checked for his post via the rumor tracker, and here it is:
Oct 2015
True. Deathwatch/Genestealer Cult will almost certainly be the next board game after EF and Calth. But not this year.
So no specifics beyond "it's almost certainly the next board game" and "it's not this year"
That's the problem with these kinds of BOLS rumors. They find someone with a good reputation who has been posting rumors, then they elaborate upon them.
It's like with how Sad Panda stated that Space Wolves are coming out next February. Expect to see BoLS/Naftka start talking about how they've been given "anonymous tips" that Space Wolves will include something like a giant mech-wolf or a plastic Iron Priest or something of that nature.
They take a credible rumor and build upon it, hoping to get clicks on the tail of someone else's rumors.
Well, you know *I* want GCults to happen. And I trust Hastings and Sad Panda. I don't trust BOLS rumors even a little.
However, it is *believable* that GW would just throw some regular Tyranids into the box, or cobble together some infiltrating Tyranids and slap a "Genestealer Cult" label on them. So we'll see.
They need to stop adding in their own speculation when reposting. Just repost the rumour, then add the bs in below, instead of putting it in the repost itself.
gorgon wrote: Well, you know *I* want GCults to happen. And I trust Hastings and Sad Panda. I don't trust BOLS rumors even a little.
However, it is *believable* that GW would just throw some regular Tyranids into the box, or cobble together some infiltrating Tyranids and slap a "Genestealer Cult" label on them. So we'll see.
gorgon wrote: Well, you know *I* want GCults to happen. And I trust Hastings and Sad Panda. I don't trust BOLS rumors even a little.
However, it is *believable* that GW would just throw some regular Tyranids into the box, or cobble together some infiltrating Tyranids and slap a "Genestealer Cult" label on them. So we'll see.
From what I've heard, that's not the case here.
Hopefully they use the release of the cult as an excuse to redo the genestealers models. This kit is starting to show its age.
So much hostility! Glad I didn't post the plastic Battle Sisters rumors I've been sitting on.
Can you confirm they'll have the option of thunderhawk transports (to coincide with that plastic kit)? Also I've heard there will be plastic greatcoat guard models with options to model them as frateris militia.
What I heard is that they really want to make them happen but want them to be great and there's a small problem with the undercuts for the sleeves but they're working real hard on it and they should be out real soon because Jes promised they're coming.
And the plastic thunderhawk is coming as soon as they can reduce the sprue count a bit so it fits in a box.
And the greatcoat guard can make Valhallans, Steel Legion AND Kreig!
All this is coming for the campaign where the Blood Angels turn to Chaos and the Ultramarines declare independence from the corrupt Imperium.
There are better sources for this than those two places - those two places are just up to their usual "repost + add something to enhance clickbaitability" shenanigans.
It's just this time they also happen to be 'right'. More or less.
mjl7atlas wrote:Back to those plastic SoB's, why will they not release them already!!!???
KK already covered this:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:What I heard is that they really want to make them happen but want them to be great and there's a small problem with the undercuts for the sleeves but they're working real hard on it and they should be out real soon because Jes promised they're coming.
THOSE. FETHING. SLEEVES. A lot of people don't now this, but the sleeves on the new SOB plastics are actually four-dimensional objects constructed from unobtanium. Jes is working on it, tho.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:What I heard is that they really want to make them happen but want them to be great and there's a small problem with the undercuts for the sleeves but they're working real hard on it and they should be out real soon because Jes promised they're coming.
THOSE. FETHING. SLEEVES. A lot of people don't now this, but the sleeves on the new SOB plastics are actually four-dimensional objects constructed from unobtanium. Jes is working on it, tho.
That was what was being said 5 years ago... so at this point at best its a back burner project. After GW did Skitarii its hard to imagine a sleeve GW couldn't do,
gorgon wrote: Well, you know *I* want GCults to happen. And I trust Hastings and Sad Panda. I don't trust BOLS rumors even a little.
However, it is *believable* that GW would just throw some regular Tyranids into the box, or cobble together some infiltrating Tyranids and slap a "Genestealer Cult" label on them. So we'll see.
From what I've heard, that's not the case here.
Hopefully they use the release of the cult as an excuse to redo the genestealers models. This kit is starting to show its age.
It wouldn't hurt, but IMO the purestrain kit is okay. What the kit could actually use are some rules that take advantage of the special heads on the sprue.
Alex C wrote: If Genestealer Cult makes a re-appearance I certainly hope they'll be rolling around in their pimpwagons again.
Maybe not in the boardgame, but at least some art or fiction. They had sweet rides back in the day.
I have converted "trucks" ready to go if it happens!
the_scotsman wrote: Glad the title called this one out as BoLSpit so I didn't get my hopes up.
Again:
Alpharius wrote: There are better sources for this than those two places - those two places are just up to their usual "repost + add something to enhance clickbaitability" shenanigans.
It's just this time they also happen to be 'right'. More or less.
While boardgames are awesome in their own right, if they can all be used in 40k, why not just skip the hassle and release them as boxed units instead of in a $100+ game? All that hassle for Betrayal at Calth when 10-20 pecemt will realistically play the game, rather than use them all together for a 30k army.
The Deathwatch could be as simple as an upgrade pack like it was ages ago, and a genestealer cult box set of some (10-12) brothers and a Magus would be great, like the cultists from Dark Vengeance.
Although I shouldn't complain at all, every box set from GW always gets parted out cheaply on Ebay, for cheaper than a GW box set of the same would be, like the 8 DV Chosen that regularly go for 10 bucks or less, so boxed sets give the best of both worlds.
AegisGrimm wrote: While boardgames are awesome in their own right, if they can all be used in 40k, why not just skip the hassle and release them as boxed units instead of in a $100+ game? All that hassle for Betrayal at Calth when 10-20 pecemt will realistically play the game, rather than use them all together for a 30k army.
The Deathwatch could be as simple as an upgrade pack like it was ages ago, and a genestealer cult box set of some (10-12) brothers and a Magus would be great, like the cultists from Dark Vengeance.
Although I shouldn't complain at all, every box set from GW always gets parted out cheaply on Ebay, for cheaper than a GW box set of the same would be, like the 8 DV Chosen that regularly go for 10 bucks or less, so boxed sets give the best of both worlds.
I think you answered your own question in a way. They know a certain large portion of the customers will gobble up a plastic 30k release in any form. Instead of selling boxes for $X they can package them in a board game and sell them for $X+Y and sell just as many. This also has the added bonus of possibly appealing to new or different customers who want a board game. Finally, it's more attractive to those who are hesitant to delve into 30k. They start with the board game and then inevitably expand their armies even if they didn't set out to originally.
mjl7atlas wrote: Back to those plastic SoB's, why will they not release them already!!!???
I heard they were done and when Jes showed them everyone wept from their beauty until finally Kirby rose up and smashed the molds screaming "this fallen world is not worthy of such perfection!'
Thachng wrote: Hopefully its Nids like the IOS computer game
Said no one ever, except you.
We want 'Stealer Cults. We want our Hybrids and our Brood Brothers back. We want Genestealer Magi to make their return. We want a big happy Patriach on a great big throne.
Thachng wrote: Hopefully its Nids like the IOS computer game
Said no one ever, except you.
We want 'Stealer Cults. We want our Hybrids and our Brood Brothers back. We want Genestealer Magi to make their return. We want a big happy Patriach on a great big throne.
IF, IF, IF, Genestealer cults happen I have a sneaking suspicion it will be a box with 10 chaos cultists and 10 genestealers...
But we shall see...
Cause yeah, the old GS cults were some of the most characterful models GW has made.
I just hope FFG will be able to do an RPG supplement with them, I'd love to see some new art and fluff.
AegisGrimm wrote: While boardgames are awesome in their own right, if they can all be used in 40k, why not just skip the hassle and release them as boxed units instead of in a $100+ game? All that hassle for Betrayal at Calth when 10-20 pecemt will realistically play the game, rather than use them all together for a 30k army.
The Deathwatch could be as simple as an upgrade pack like it was ages ago, and a genestealer cult box set of some (10-12) brothers and a Magus would be great, like the cultists from Dark Vengeance.
Although I shouldn't complain at all, every box set from GW always gets parted out cheaply on Ebay, for cheaper than a GW box set of the same would be, like the 8 DV Chosen that regularly go for 10 bucks or less, so boxed sets give the best of both worlds.
Watching Warhammer TV's play through vid convinced me it was a decent game.
Got it tonight and everything from the minis to the rules and components is very nice stuff.
I'd put it in the league with Space Hulk. Looking more forward to playing the boardgame than the building/painting stuff.
So I agree that it's the best of both worlds.
mjl7atlas wrote: Back to those plastic SoB's, why will they not release them already!!!???
I heard they were done and when Jes showed them everyone wept from their beauty until finally Kirby rose up and smashed the molds screaming "this fallen world is not worthy of such perfection!'
That's what I heard.
Thats a shame as they need their righteous fire to lay waste to all these foul xenos armies running amok. Really hope there is going to be a new codex and miniatures. Also hope they make acts of Faith interesting and not generic.
Alpharius wrote: We should probably stick to what this thread's actually about now, yes?
And again, I've heard this is definitely coming, and that the miniatures are amazing!
It'll be interesting to see how they do the production numbers on this game. The Execution Force game is still in stock, and I don't know if that was intentional or not. Space Hulk sold out very quickly and, again, I'm sure they had wished for a larger run of the game back in 2009 when everyone was scrambling for a copy.
Would be nice to just get the Deathwatch half of the boxed set on eBay or something. I think GS cults are awesome, but I'm an IoM player, and I'd have little use for them or the rest of the box contents.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I just hope FFG will be able to do an RPG supplement with them, I'd love to see some new art and fluff.
Yeah... once GW brings Genestealer Cults back (or if they bring them back) the floodgates just open for Dark Heresy and Deathwatch. Man. Can't wait for that!!!
Alpharius wrote: We should probably stick to what this thread's actually about now, yes?
And again, I've heard this is definitely coming, and that the miniatures are amazing!
can't wait!!!
i still have all the original metals, including the Patriarch on throne, and Rough Rider hybrids, but new plastics would be amazing...
more variety for Deathwatch Marines can only be a good thing, too...
the metal bits are looking a bit dinky, thanks to the scale creep over the last few years...
i hope we see this by March...
it would be a nice birthday present...
Thachng wrote: Hopefully its Nids like the IOS computer game
Said no one ever, except you.
We want 'Stealer Cults. We want our Hybrids and our Brood Brothers back. We want Genestealer Magi to make their return. We want a big happy Patriach on a great big throne.
The miniatures are amazing line is hilarious. Like no $+!? Sherlock. Every 40K release has amazing looking models that only get better. Why people need reminded gw's money maker is gonna have top quality models is beyond me
Souleater wrote: Well they simply threw some very elderly Chaos models in with the nice new plastic assassins for FE.
A lot of folks weren't particularly impressed by that.
The Cultists are still relatively new and they made up the bulk of Execution Force.
The only arguably "old" models in there were the 3 monopose Chaos Marines(which are like $8 for 3) and the Chaos Marine Terminator Lord.
From my understanding, most people "weren't particularly impressed by that" because it was not what they expected/wanted--a boxed set with a unique character model for the CSM side like Deathstorm/Stormclaw or a game like Space Hulk where every model in it was unique and new.
If there's a Deathwatch game coming, there is very little in the Tyranids range right now that would fit. I could see them including a few sets of Genestealers, the plastic Genestealer Broodlord from Deathstorm, and possibly some kind of unique Cultist models that are only in the boxed game for the time being.
That is of course assuming that it's meant to be "Genestealer Cults" and not something which has shown up in a lot of material, which is Deathwatch Kill-Teams going after Vanguard organisms.
If that's the case? I would expect to see Genestealers, Broodlord, and a Lictor or two.
Because 'expansions' always sell less well than base games,
it makes more commercial sense to go for a stand alone product as that means you can sell to the whole world rather than just those who (still) own the original game
(and because a Broodlord Pimpmobile would not fit into a game of Spacehulk and I still hope for an official mini)
it makes more commercial sense to go for a stand alone product as that means you can sell to the whole world rather than just those who (still) own the original game
(and because a Broodlord Pimpmobile would not fit into a game of Spacehulk and I still hope for an official mini)
I really hope for Cadillac. I'm honestly not sure what they will do though. I didn't expect the spider tank. Don't think anybody did.
Regarding SoB, from what I've heard they are dead in the water. Nobody, literally Nobody is willing to champion them. They think they can get far more sales out of Space Marines by altering a kit than actually releasing an army they could get a lot of flak for.
The entire look and superficial premise of the army is a combination of porn tropes. Super hot angry nuns who look like they're dressed in leather out to punish all the naughty boys? Oh , and they also like to cause pain to themselves too. They're scifi bdsm hot nun dominatrixes. I have no righteous indignation issue with the design but the inspiration is obvious to most folks encountering it (despite (GW's chapterhouse claim of all 100% "original" inspiration free content). With GW shying away from all things related to sex (like Slaneesh in AOS), I wouldn't be surprised about extending that to SOB...I don't agree but I'm not surprised.
Here's to hoping for Hybirds with Conversion Beamers, Autocannon weapon teams [as opposed to a single man] and Purestrain Genestealers done in the chunkier old Space Hulk style!
I know I have been gearing up for some 6-12 man skirmish games using 2nd edition rules (think Necromunda, with 40k races) and easily bought Genestealer cults would be great.
The entire look and superficial premise of the army is a combination of porn tropes. Super hot angry nuns who look like they're dressed in leather out to punish all the naughty boys? Oh , and they also like to cause pain to themselves too. They're scifi bdsm hot nun dominatrixes. I have no righteous indignation issue with the design but the inspiration is obvious to most folks encountering it (despite (GW's chapterhouse claim of all 100% "original" inspiration free content). With GW shying away from all things related to sex (like Slaneesh in AOS), I wouldn't be surprised about extending that to SOB...I don't agree but I'm not surprised.
Seems like Space Marine sprue with Sisters head and special weapons sprue would fix that.
Only have to make that extra sprue and then get even more sales from the SM tactical squad molds
On topic, if GW make a GS force available especially as part of a new BaC type set I'd be interested in buying in.
BaC does a brilliant job as a boardgame/miniatures wargame IMO. And I wouldn't have bought a single 30k model if it hadn't been part of BaC as a boardgame.
The entire look and superficial premise of the army is a combination of porn tropes. Super hot angry nuns who look like they're dressed in leather out to punish all the naughty boys? Oh , and they also like to cause pain to themselves too. They're scifi bdsm hot nun dominatrixes. I have no righteous indignation issue with the design but the inspiration is obvious to most folks encountering it (despite (GW's chapterhouse claim of all 100% "original" inspiration free content). With GW shying away from all things related to sex (like Slaneesh in AOS), I wouldn't be surprised about extending that to SOB...I don't agree but I'm not surprised.
Porn tropes to whom very repressed people? sisters n porn are quite far in my mind so...
Mortifaction cults are quite popular in early Christian history where SoB get the majority of their fluff. so the whole repentia thing i see less sexulized than most people think.
Nuns are sexual now?, you know i lived close to a nunnery when i was a child and honestly sex is not the first thing i think of regarding them. And if you do think that when you look at SOB which are Gothic, space nuns who like burning stuff I think you need to calm down honestly.
originally they were the inquisition of the inquisition so they have changed a lot.
But yes i completely see why its happening, because its happening in every niche hobby. You get a lot, and i mean a lot of people trying to force various ideologies within them and its wrong. Take for example the flack Pathfinder got for a magic item, belt of gender swap that has existed in d&d for maybe 20 years? if not longer
Fimir are gone and i can see GSC being very sanitized..
Nuns are sexual now?, you know i lived close to a nunnery when i was a child and honestly sex is not the first thing i think of regarding them. And if you do think that when you look at SOB which are Gothic, space nuns who like burning stuff I think you need to calm down honestly.
Nuns aren't sexual. Now, if you take the typical picture of a elderly religious woman who devotes her life to helping others
1) Replace the elderly woman with an attractive female usually 1/3 her age.
2) Take away the lose fitting very covering simple cotton clothes and replace them with skintight leather outfits with a corset that by definition is worn to accentuate the breasts and figure that are laughable referred to as power armor
3) Change the typical kneeling pose to one in which the pelvis is wide open and slap on some high heels
4) Change the fluff from a simple peaceful life of devotion to one predicated on causing pain to themselves as well as punishing naughty men
You get
which is a hell of alot closer to (NSFW but from a Pistachio commercial on TV)
Spoiler:
than any of the kind folks who taught me in 12 years of Catholic school.
Again, I don't frankly care that they did that nor does it bother me but I call a spade a spade. GW chose to overtly sexualize a type of religious order to appeal to their largely young and single male demographic. Pretending otherwise isn't sexual repression but rather straight up denial and a very practical application of the fluff SOB proverb: "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt." GW have tonned it down admittedly a bit in the years since Blanche but that doesn't change the fact that this is how they decided to introduce most of the gaming world to Sisters of Battle as a faction. The world has yet to see a practical armored sister of battle depiction from GW that isn't needlessly sexualized.
Also, I didn't log out of google before searching for safe dom pictures. I dread to see what my google ads will now display on the web!
While this is a topic that I would like to approach and there is so much i take issue with in your post.
I want to know two points are mods going to allow this discussion anywhere on this forum. and if the posts mention certain movements will the person be banned or have posts removed.
I think its partially on-topic. The basis of concern for Genestealer cults making a come back being too graphic or mature... and people seeing the mature aspect of SoB in a similar light.
The entire look and superficial premise of the army is a combination of porn tropes. Super hot angry nuns who look like they're dressed in leather out to punish all the naughty boys? Oh , and they also like to cause pain to themselves too. They're scifi bdsm hot nun dominatrixes. I have no righteous indignation issue with the design but the inspiration is obvious to most folks encountering it (despite (GW's chapterhouse claim of all 100% "original" inspiration free content). With GW shying away from all things related to sex (like Slaneesh in AOS), I wouldn't be surprised about extending that to SOB...I don't agree but I'm not surprised.
Porn tropes to whom very repressed people? sisters n porn are quite far in my mind so...
Mortifaction cults are quite popular in early Christian history where SoB get the majority of their fluff. so the whole repentia thing i see less sexulized than most people think.
Nuns are sexual now?, you know i lived close to a nunnery when i was a child and honestly sex is not the first thing i think of regarding them. And if you do think that when you look at SOB which are Gothic, space nuns who like burning stuff I think you need to calm down honestly.
originally they were the inquisition of the inquisition so they have changed a lot.
But yes i completely see why its happening, because its happening in every niche hobby. You get a lot, and i mean a lot of people trying to force various ideologies within them and its wrong. Take for example the flack Pathfinder got for a magic item, belt of gender swap that has existed in d&d for maybe 20 years? if not longer
Fimir are gone and i can see GSC being very sanitized..
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Fimir were reintroduced by FW, you can still get the models on their site.
I think alot of what you're saying is moot. This is ultimately a game played with toys. Every faction has some hangup that some people see as goofy, silly, or stupid, but it doesn't matter. As long as we're playing with toy's I don't think its anyone's place to tell someone they can't have fun, when no body is getting hurt. Every aspect of 40k is tropes and characterizations, it is overly sensitive and misguided to single out this particular one. I think what is most telling is how often anecdotally I hear about some trying to get a significant other interested in the game; like it or not women do gravitate to this army but the lack of availability forces them to look elsewhere in the range or abandon interest. Nun's with guns are a staple of the 80's sci-fi heavy metal scene 40k is born from. We used to have female-ish daemons with boobs hanging out, a strong female protagonist with religious righteous indignation and determination in form fitting armor is orders of magnitude more wholesome. If they are concerned with aesthetic, aesthetics can evolve.
Okay the Fimir on FW you are aware how dark they were originally right?, a three creature release and the odd mention in now unusable books for the glorious Age of Blandmar is not bringing them back. And that reminds me I should pick some up before they go poof.
Largely I agree with you. A girl actually introduced me to SoB or the Adeptus Sororirtas honestly in my art class in RT.
While I'm inclined to agree that certain tropes (urgh) are present in SoB the fact that designers are scared by the PC crowd vexes me beyond belief.
I have about 300 pounds in my SoB fund if they ever appear. And while I have dipped into it for RH I'd literally throw all of it at GW if they appeared. You know they could even do sponsor our next army on their site (like a crowd funding campaign ) and I'd (and this is probably the only way I'd ever pay full price) give all of it to GW just for them to return.
How they do GsC will be extremely forthcoming as mindless violence is fine as long as you don't see any kind of skin. Or forced implantation by GS..or Fimir...
Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....
A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....
A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....
A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc
That's more like a virus than anything sexual.
doesn't the human mother give birth to the genestealer though? Kinda hard to say that it isn't sexual when that is the case.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....
A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc
That's more like a virus than anything sexual.
doesn't the human mother give birth to the genestealer though? Kinda hard to say that it isn't sexual when that is the case.
A Genestealer Hybrid is birthed from 2 human parents. The Genestealer DNA "impregnation" only changes the victim DNA, but the sexual part still is between members of the same species (unless the species in question is asexual like the Orks).
So it is closer to a virus, changing the host DNA to produce more of it's own.
aka_mythos wrote: The basis of concern for Genestealer cults making a come back being too graphic or mature...
How?
Just saying its how we got steered a bit off topic. Fictionally its certainly somewhere between Aliens, Village of the Damned, and Children of the Corn.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....
A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc
That's more like a virus than anything sexual.
doesn't the human mother give birth to the genestealer though? Kinda hard to say that it isn't sexual when that is the case.
A Genestealer Hybrid is birthed from 2 human parents. The Genestealer DNA "impregnation" only changes the victim DNA, but the sexual part still is between members of the same species (unless the species in question is asexual like the Orks).
So it is closer to a virus, changing the host DNA to produce more of it's own.
Correctamundo.
And the writer's treatment of the subject matter could easily head off any possible concern here. Write about it operating like a virus in pseudo-clinical terms and no one will go down the other path.
I mean, Implant Attack is a call-back to Genestealers, who implant their DNA in subjects via their tongue. There is no sexy time involved for the Genestealer itself.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Those nasty genestealers 'impregnate' victims with their DNA rather than just ripping them apart into tiny chunks of twitching flesh to be digested by the hive fleet.....
A bit rapey/sexual if you're being ultra sensitive which GW seems to be becoming with the hiding away of Slanesh and the toning down of the 15 year old boy 'Boobies' aesthetic in the art etc
It's not "rapey" at all. They don't "impregnate" anyone. They alter the DNA of their victims so that when those victims breed they give birth to hybrids. It's not "Aliens" style procreation.
As someone who has an entire Deathwatch company (100 marines exactly!) I would be excited to have more toys to play with. I wouldn't be surprised if any releases are underwhelming - The shoulderpads, guns and helmets already exist as a metal kit - I only see a few additional pieces such as alien trophies being added and perhaps icons/purity seals.
from how the rumors are going it is supposedly just an add on spruce for one of the veteran kits. which is honestly a fairly decent idea as then can just plug that like the add on ones they did for the Dark Angels and others.
The entire look and superficial premise of the army is a combination of porn tropes. Super hot angry nuns who look like they're dressed in leather out to punish all the naughty boys? Oh , and they also like to cause pain to themselves too. They're scifi bdsm hot nun dominatrixes. I have no righteous indignation issue with the design but the inspiration is obvious to most folks encountering it (despite (GW's chapterhouse claim of all 100% "original" inspiration free content). With GW shying away from all things related to sex (like Slaneesh in AOS), I wouldn't be surprised about extending that to SOB...I don't agree but I'm not surprised.
Keep your Sexual deviant practices to yourself! I don't want to hear of it!
If those hybrids come out i have to get me one of those cult (inquisitor) cruisers
gorgon wrote: Well, you know *I* want GCults to happen. And I trust Hastings and Sad Panda. I don't trust BOLS rumors even a little.
However, it is *believable* that GW would just throw some regular Tyranids into the box, or cobble together some infiltrating Tyranids and slap a "Genestealer Cult" label on them. So we'll see.
From what I've heard, that's not the case here.
Hopefully they use the release of the cult as an excuse to redo the genestealers models. This kit is starting to show its age.
Usually once a plastic kit starts to show its age.... it.... never gets fixed? Yeah. Every single old plastic kit of GW's has yet to be updated. Catachans, CSM squad, Genestealers... Help's not coming, I'm afraid.
I would love to see a genestealer cult army make a return. Before, I would have laughed this rumor out of the party, but since the AdMech army, I think all things are now possible. AdMech sold well, it woke a few folks up at GWHQ.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: I would love to see a genestealer cult army make a return. Before, I would have laughed this rumor out of the party, but since the AdMech army, I think all things are now possible. AdMech sold well, it woke a few folks up at GWHQ.
My buddy who works at gwHQ said the same, they expected it to do well, but ad mech sold much better than the estimations.
Wulfmar wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if any releases are underwhelming - The shoulderpads, guns and helmets already exist as a metal kit
That's the point! Metal models are old fashioned and gone. Finecast is gone, too. Every new release will be made entirely of plastic.
They could just release a single unit upgrade sprue like the recent chapter ones to cover everything you would need per unit.
I agree. And if it's an upgrade for the Sternguards, they only need 5 shoulder pads, so they can add more heads, a few torsos and some Inquisition symbols. Bolters probably will come from the Sternguard kit.
GW giving the fans what they want?
Normally I would say bs, but they did do Admech...and proceeded to feth them by splitting the army across two books.
So if they do bring in genestealer cults, expect it to be an attempt at grabbing your money while offering little in return.
No idea. Maybe. They seemed to have accelerated the releases.
Which is awesome.
Except these releases tend to be poorly written, rushed, and mostly consists of studio pictures, while still charging a high price.
Which is not awesome.
Wulfmar wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if any releases are underwhelming - The shoulderpads, guns and helmets already exist as a metal kit
That's the point! Metal models are old fashioned and gone. Finecast is gone, too. Every new release will be made entirely of plastic.
Metal models are not old fashioned for one multiple other companies use such a medium.
Dumping it has not only made GW more expensive and less a pocket money hobby and more I need to work 2days hobby just to afford a recent release.
They have lost who they are and that's a real shame.
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: No idea. Maybe. They seemed to have accelerated the releases.
Which is awesome.
Except these releases tend to be poorly written, rushed, and mostly consists of studio pictures, while still charging a high price.
Which is not awesome.
Actually they have ramped back there was supposed to be another boxed game after the HH one that's been put of to next year.
Eh, I never liked working with metal. I always found it hard to paint. I do understand where you are coming from though.
Ah really? I did not notice that. Their release schedule is a bit weird now. Before it was at a steady rate of 4 years between releases, but now everything is...different.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: No idea. Maybe. They seemed to have accelerated the releases.
Which is awesome.
Except these releases tend to be poorly written, rushed, and mostly consists of studio pictures, while still charging a high price.
Which is not awesome.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: GW giving the fans what they want?
Normally I would say bs, but they did do Admech...and proceeded to feth them by splitting the army across two books.
So if they do bring in genestealer cults, expect it to be an attempt at grabbing your money while offering little in return.
I can imagine it. We will get a Tyranid Codex with Genestealers (and Broodlords) removed, and then we will get the Genestealer Cult mini codex.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Eh, I never liked working with metal. I always found it hard to paint.
I do understand where you are coming from though.
Ah really? I did not notice that. Their release schedule is a bit weird now.
Before it was at a steady rate of 4 years between releases, but now everything is...different.
Metal is fine to paint. It's getting the paint to stay on when people WON'T FREAKING STOP TOUCHING YOUR MODELS BEFORE YOU GET A CHANCE TO VARNISH THEM!
Sorry, sorry. Used to work in a GW and it was a straight up nightmare for metal in there.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Eh, I never liked working with metal. I always found it hard to paint.
I do understand where you are coming from though.
Ah really? I did not notice that. Their release schedule is a bit weird now.
Before it was at a steady rate of 4 years between releases, but now everything is...different.
Metal is fine to paint. It's getting the paint to stay on when people WON'T FREAKING STOP TOUCHING YOUR MODELS BEFORE YOU GET A CHANCE TO VARNISH THEM!
Sorry, sorry. Used to work in a GW and it was a straight up nightmare for metal in there.
Painting metal isn't bad. Conversion work was a bloody pain though.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Eh, I never liked working with metal. I always found it hard to paint.
I do understand where you are coming from though.
Ah really? I did not notice that. Their release schedule is a bit weird now.
Before it was at a steady rate of 4 years between releases, but now everything is...different.
Metal is fine to paint. It's getting the paint to stay on when people WON'T FREAKING STOP TOUCHING YOUR MODELS BEFORE YOU GET A CHANCE TO VARNISH THEM!
Sorry, sorry. Used to work in a GW and it was a straight up nightmare for metal in there.
Depends on the paints but yeah I agree. Though I do see the benefits of both. I like metal simply for its durability. And cost.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: GW giving the fans what they want?
Normally I would say bs, but they did do Admech...and proceeded to feth them by splitting the army across two books.
So if they do bring in genestealer cults, expect it to be an attempt at grabbing your money while offering little in return.
In essence, they're already split. The purestrains will probably stay in the nid codex only whereas the mutts would go in the second book. In this case, though, it's just a matter of timing more than trying to purposely double dip the same customers with two half assed books they'll need. Also, if you include the knights, it's actually three books.
Painting metal isn't bad. Conversion work was a bloody pain though.
Pinning metal is horrible. It's something I don't miss even a tiny bit Especially since even pinning and superglue isn't enough to hold some models together. Can you imagine gaming with a Wraithknight cast in metal?
Painting metal isn't bad. Conversion work was a bloody pain though.
Pinning metal is horrible. It's something I don't miss even a tiny bit Especially since even pinning and superglue isn't enough to hold some models together. Can you imagine gaming with a Wraithknight cast in metal?
Obviously I'm not advocating it for all figures. I have some large warmachine metal figures and I dunno I quite like them.
Again painting depends on the paint and cleaning the figures before starting... like resin basically.
warboss wrote: The entire look and superficial premise of the army is a combination of porn tropes. Super hot angry nuns who look like they're dressed in leather out to punish all the naughty boys? Oh , and they also like to cause pain to themselves too. They're scifi bdsm hot nun dominatrixes.
The look of the army is more “Super baroque nuns who bling the hell out of everything with tons of skulls because 40k”. The only unit that fill your description is Repentia. Seriously, there is NOTHING in those two models (the one that are going to catch the eye of people in a Sisters army) that say “bsdm dominatrix”. Nothing.
warboss wrote: With GW shying away from all things related to sex (like Slaneesh in AOS), I wouldn't be surprised about extending that to SOB...I don't agree but I'm not surprised.
What about the actual BDSM-theme army called Dark Eldars?
warboss wrote: GW have tonned it down admittedly a bit in the years since Blanche
Even in that codex you linked to, there is also this artwork: Sure, she looks angrier, heavier, more armored and younger than your example. That kind of come with being a dedicated warrior/zealot. But she certainly does not look like a pin-up, do she? The cover was an oddity, not representative of neither the models, not the other illustrations, nor the fluff, and it has never been reused afaik, so…
Painting metal isn't bad. Conversion work was a bloody pain though.
Pinning metal is horrible. It's something I don't miss even a tiny bit Especially since even pinning and superglue isn't enough to hold some models together. Can you imagine gaming with a Wraithknight cast in metal?
Hear, hear! My Pedro Kantor took FOREVER to get his banner pinned in place, and I still have to take extreme amounts of care not to dislodge it.
And the gunner for the ecstorsist is straight of the famous sculpture the ecstasy of ST Teresa by Bernini which is on a papal tomb... oh god i just got the link... wow... im really slow
I'd like to think there's a possibility of a GS Cult army. I think GW was short-sighted when they said Tyranids couldn't ally with Imperial Guard, which would have been an easy way to bring the cults back. They did get name dropped in Invasion Swarms for the first time since the second codex. Given that most of the other factions have gotten a supplemental release (Necrons excepted), the Tyranids should get one at some point, unless you count Shield of Baal as one. And what else are they going to make it about? I mean I suppose that could concentrate on Hive Fleet Leviathan or something like that, but that feels a bit weak. Unless the economics make the Nids a less-profitable than the other factions.
Mordiggian wrote: I'd like to think there's a possibility of a GS Cult army. I think GW was short-sighted when they said Tyranids couldn't ally with Imperial Guard, which would have been an easy way to bring the cults back.
Imperial Guard != Genestealer Cults. Genestealer Cults can include PDF, but you're not going to see Guardsmen in their ranks.
It's really better for them to either build a dedicated "Genestealer Cultist" unit or a Codex rather than just do the whole "Ally in X" thing.
Additionally? Nothing is stopping you from allying Guard and Tyranids. They're "Come the Apocalypse" allies, which means that the "One Eye Open" rule is in effect and they cannot deploy within 12" of each other when deploying for battle.
I figure 80% chance 'genestealer cult' means existing chaos cultists and genestealers vs a Sternguard sprue with the only new sprue being some DW shoulder pads.
..... well, I may have gotten myself a bit confused about what these actually were, it seems we "may" be seeing these two as a combined set in some fashion, whether that's as another standalone game or as a "starter/campaign" set is yet unclear, although I'm going to assume that these would be unusual choices for a starter box.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I figure 80% chance 'genestealer cult' means existing chaos cultists and genestealers vs a Sternguard sprue with the only new sprue being some DW shoulder pads.
That being said...
Your supposition sounds like the most likely scenario to me as well, but like you, we all want to believe, Mr. Vice-Principal...
Come on Panda, you can't drop the mic and walk off after that one, tell us more...
Hmmmm...
Deathwatch miniatures in the boxed game are all mono-pose characters (think Space Hulk, except with normal bases). Sternguard rumors are nonsense. One is possibly the first dedicated Blood Ravens mini by GW (feel free to correct me there. My GW-history-fu is weak)?
Lots of cultists, a few pure genestealers, another new broodlord.
Multi-part kits later this year.
Someone should update the title and OP with this and his "before May" comment.
While I have faith in GW’s ability to make some nice mono-pose deathwatch marines, I would have preferred a full multi-pose kit, so I could make my squad. Depending what they look like, I might pick them up anyway.
I assume the multi-pose later in the year comment refers to the non-marine parts of the box.
Would love to be wrong with that assumption. If it’s a multi-pose deathwatch later in the year, I’ll grab that no question.
Not monopose! I'm gonna cross my fingers and hope they're not true monopose but the pseudo monopose in the same sort of way some of the blister pact characters have been with separate shoulder pad and similar bits loose.
The Deathwatch minis are like the Space Hulk ones according to Sad Panda. And these have character, good poses and are pretty interesting for 'monopose' models. This could be a good thing
The current Broodlord is In the Last Chance to Buy section of the U.K. GW website. Hopefully that means the release is imminent, with an updated Broodlord to go with it.
El Torro wrote: The current Broodlord is In the Last Chance to Buy section of the U.K. GW website. Hopefully that means the release is imminent, with an updated Broodlord to go with it.
Should think it's more likely a sign that the broodlord from the shield of Baal box set will be getting a separate blister pack release a la captain karlaen
Sinful Hero wrote: I'm just curious what cultists would bring to a Tyranids army- we already have cheap cannon fodder in droves.
Good question, I've been wondering the same thing. My hope is that Cultists can load up on heavy weapons, preferably at BS3. That should differentiate them enough from gaunts.
I'm not too fussed about the Cult Limousine making a comeback. Heresy, I know...
Sinful Hero wrote: I'm just curious what cultists would bring to a Tyranids army...
Hopefully nothing. The Tyrandis eat Genestealer Cults as readily as they eat everything else. They may be related but they're far from allies.
Allies? no, but Genestealer Cults are pawns of the Hive Mind. Cultists are part of the Genestealer brood mind, which in turn is part of the Tyranid Hive Mind.
Genestealers are effectively the heralds of Tyranid invasions, because the psychic power of the Patriarch shines like a beacon in the Warp and is perceived by the Hive Fleets of the Tyranids. As the cult's power grows over the world, the beacon becomes stronger, signaling to the Tyranids the location of a biologically rich world. By the time the Hive Fleets arrive, the world may already be completely in the hands of the genestealer cult, or torn apart by civil war between the cult and the remaining free society, or at least weakened and rife with traitors. However, after the planet comes to the Hive Fleet's notice, the destiny of the cult is sealed, because all surviving members are absorbed like the rest of the planet
Sinful Hero wrote: I'm just curious what cultists would bring to a Tyranids army...
Hopefully nothing. The Tyrandis eat Genestealer Cults as readily as they eat everything else. They may be related but they're far from allies.
Are Broodlords and Genestealers not literally Tyranids? I'm going off the assumption that Genestealers Cults will be an allied force for Tyranid armies in the same vein as the Harlequin release. Especially if the kits are going to be sold separately at retail as Sad Panda insinuated.
The Genestealers, yes, but not the Hybrids or Brood Brothers. They're not Tyranids, and would be devoured like everyone else. They just won't put up a resistance.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The Genestealers, yes, but not the Hybrids or Brood Brothers. They're not Tyranids, and would be devoured like everyone else. They just won't put up a resistance.
Genestealers are effectively the heralds of Tyranid invasions, because the psychic power of the Patriarch shines like a beacon in the Warp and is perceived by the Hive Fleets of the Tyranids. As the cult's power grows over the world, the beacon becomes stronger, signaling to the Tyranids the location of a biologically rich world. By the time the Hive Fleets arrive, the world may already be completely in the hands of the genestealer cult, or torn apart by civil war between the cult and the remaining free society, or at least weakened and rife with traitors. However, after the planet comes to the Hive Fleet's notice, the destiny of the cult is sealed, because all surviving members are absorbed like the rest of the planet
Even the Tyranids own organisms are devoured, so it's not exactly news or specific to Genestealers Cults. The only thing Tyranids don't eat are Ymgarl Genestealers according to older fluff.
H.B.M.C. wrote: At the end, yes, but I don't think that you're going to see Hormagaunts running into battle supported by a PDF Leman Russ squadron.
And why not? The Hive Mind takes over the Broodlords, who command whatever forces it has, and they attack the same targets the other Tyranids are after.
I don't see a problem with Tyranids using the local Genestealer Cult as allies when they invade a planet. They're all psychically linked after all so it makes sense to use the tools they have at their disposal to destroy the defenders. The Genestealer Cult will be consumed along with the Tyranids when the planet is consumed.
Part of me wants to see the option of taking Imperial Guard tanks as part of a Cult. Perhaps some rules to make them worse than when taken in an Imperial Guard army would be appropriate though.
H.B.M.C. wrote: At the end, yes, but I don't think that you're going to see Hormagaunts running into battle supported by a PDF Leman Russ squadron.
And why not? The Hive Mind takes over the Broodlords, who command whatever forces it has, and they attack the same targets the other Tyranids are after.
Well first, because the vast majority of PDFs do not have Leman Russes to begin with. A planet needs to be REALLY well off or important for their PDFs to have Guard quality gear. They primarily have locally produced stuff or relics(in some cases, these are BETTER than Russes even!) that have been left from Guard Regiments that were posted there long ago.
Second because Genestealer Cults are secretive by their nature. It's always been the case that they're spread all over the place with maybe a few key individuals compromised but the rest of the command intact. It's the sudden, concerted uprising of all these little Cults that makes everything go to hell in a hand basket as it's timed with the reestablishment of contact with the Hive Mind by the Genestealers and Broodlords.
H.B.M.C. wrote: At the end, yes, but I don't think that you're going to see Hormagaunts running into battle supported by a PDF Leman Russ squadron.
And why not? The Hive Mind takes over the Broodlords, who command whatever forces it has, and they attack the same targets the other Tyranids are after.
Well first, because the vast majority of PDFs do not have Leman Russes to begin with. A planet needs to be REALLY well off or important for their PDFs to have Guard quality gear. They primarily have locally produced stuff or relics(in some cases, these are BETTER than Russes even!) that have been left from Guard Regiments that were posted there long ago.
Second because Genestealer Cults are secretive by their nature. It's always been the case that they're spread all over the place with maybe a few key individuals compromised but the rest of the command intact. It's the sudden, concerted uprising of all these little Cults that makes everything go to hell in a hand basket as it's timed with the reestablishment of contact with the Hive Mind by the Genestealers and Broodlords.
Ah, appreciated. Didn't know how PDFs were generally equipped.
I hope there's a limo. In fact I hope the game is about the limo driver. You'd have to drive around picking up and dropping off important cult members on their various errands while avoiding the Arbites, Deathwatch and parking tickets. On the last mission you have to drive the Patriarch, but you have to be quick because there's a random chance each round that he'll get hungry and eat you.
H.B.M.C. wrote: At the end, yes, but I don't think that you're going to see Hormagaunts running into battle supported by a PDF Leman Russ squadron.
And why not? The Hive Mind takes over the Broodlords, who command whatever forces it has, and they attack the same targets the other Tyranids are after.
Well first, because the vast majority of PDFs do not have Leman Russes to begin with. A planet needs to be REALLY well off or important for their PDFs to have Guard quality gear. They primarily have locally produced stuff or relics(in some cases, these are BETTER than Russes even!) that have been left from Guard Regiments that were posted there long ago.
Second because Genestealer Cults are secretive by their nature. It's always been the case that they're spread all over the place with maybe a few key individuals compromised but the rest of the command intact. It's the sudden, concerted uprising of all these little Cults that makes everything go to hell in a hand basket as it's timed with the reestablishment of contact with the Hive Mind by the Genestealers and Broodlords.
Sure, but GW retcons their stuff all the time, and--here's a shocker--they really like to sell models. So, I could totally see these cults being bestowed the Tyranid faction for allies purposes if/when they get their own codex.
H.B.M.C. wrote: At the end, yes, but I don't think that you're going to see Hormagaunts running into battle supported by a PDF Leman Russ squadron.
And why not? The Hive Mind takes over the Broodlords, who command whatever forces it has, and they attack the same targets the other Tyranids are after.
Well first, because the vast majority of PDFs do not have Leman Russes to begin with. A planet needs to be REALLY well off or important for their PDFs to have Guard quality gear. They primarily have locally produced stuff or relics(in some cases, these are BETTER than Russes even!) that have been left from Guard Regiments that were posted there long ago.
Second because Genestealer Cults are secretive by their nature. It's always been the case that they're spread all over the place with maybe a few key individuals compromised but the rest of the command intact. It's the sudden, concerted uprising of all these little Cults that makes everything go to hell in a hand basket as it's timed with the reestablishment of contact with the Hive Mind by the Genestealers and Broodlords.
Sure, but GW retcons their stuff all the time, and--here's a shocker--they really like to sell models. So, I could totally see these cults being bestowed the Tyranid faction for allies purposes if/when they get their own codex.
The novella "Tempestus" and the recent Cryptus campaign that it accompanied actually established that Genestealer Cults are still a thing and aren't hugely changed from what they used to be. They also kinda fleshed it out a bit more, with an interesting tidbit of the cultists(being from a water world and their livelihood being based around fishing) adapting their pressure suits and adding bits and bobs of crablike monsters to give themselves a more Tyranid-ish appearance. Add to it that the cultists started almost behaving like Genestealers themselves and it hints that the Broodlords' control might not be as total as some think it is but more of a kind of(for lack of a better term) "trendsetting" amongst the Cultists.
Not really sure why you're talking about "retconning" or cults "being bestowed the Tyranid faction for allies purposes". If they do get their own Codex, they're guaranteed to be BB with Tyranids.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: I hope there's a limo. In fact I hope the game is about the limo driver. You'd have to drive around picking up and dropping off important cult members on their various errands while avoiding the Arbites, Deathwatch and parking tickets. On the last mission you have to drive the Patriarch, but you have to be quick because there's a random chance each round that he'll get hungry and eat you.
Quick do some coding and pitch it as a mobile game!
I read this misconception a few times here... cultists are manipulated humans, parents, PDF forces etc.
But Sad Panda pointed out there are Hybrid(-like) troops. They get born by (Genestealer) infected humans. Genetically they are now alien beasts mixed with the hosts DNA.
Early generation hybrids look a lot like Genestealers. Later ones get more human and can use weapons like firearms. The fourth looks mostly like a human and is highly psychic (called Magus). There are four hybrid generations, with new Genestealers being the fifth one and starting the cycle anew. This has not much to do with Tyranid forces. Except growing Genestealer Cults send a beacon to Tyranids through space - but it takes ages until they arrive.
The original 1st Ed Genestealer army was a two-part army list. One part, the Genestealer Cult, was heavily connected to Chaos worshippers and similiar rebellious forces. The other one, the Invasion Force, was basically a small, growing Genestealer brood (lacking the Magus for example). The 3rd Ed GC focused afaik more on the rebellion type - combining the Hybrid cycle and human rebels but minus Chaos. The original cycle was still there and never got retconned.
Genestealers scout for the Tyranids without knowing - create a cult lead by the oldest one - and draw in Tyranid forces with their psychic beacons growing with the amount of Hybrids, Mind Slaves (like the parents of the Hybrids) in a Cult, and the power of the Broodlord and his Magus.
The first edition GC playstyle was very cool and unique. Fluffwise a new, combined GC and Tyranid army list would only focus on a few days of up to hundreds of years of a Patriarchs life and the Cult.
Not sure if this limitation would be satisfying for Genestealer Cult players. The arrival of the Tyranids is basically the end of the Cult - and that would mean skipping much of the more interesting times of growing a cult and starting the actual rebellion that weakens the planet's population and its defenses.
The new Codex: Harlequins had some pretty unusual rules like the Deathjesters' way of manipulating enemy forces and I can see GW bringing that type of gameplay back for GC as well.
They were basically the Puppetmasters of 1st ed - part of a squad of Genestealers paralyzing an enemy unit via eye contact (a kind of psychic dominance) and the other charging the helpless foe. There were also insta-kill attacks (Facehugger-like) and other elements.
Current Genestealers are only a shadow of their former self.
With the Magus and Broodlord they had very potent psykers too. Some RT spells (rulebook lists for all armies) were overpowered anyway, but they made GC a serious threat.
Also RT's hidden deployment mechanic made infiltrators much better. You had to detect them by getting nearby. Genestealer units could get rules that prevent them from getting attacked until you are within 12". This would make them much better. The Leviathan Dataslate formation that lets them deploy in ruins seems to be a step in the direction a Genestealer Cult army could play like.
Harlequins get a kind of additional game turn. Why not bring back the older elements of the GC cult?
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: I hope there's a limo. In fact I hope the game is about the limo driver. You'd have to drive around picking up and dropping off important cult members on their various errands while avoiding the Arbites, Deathwatch and parking tickets. On the last mission you have to drive the Patriarch, but you have to be quick because there's a random chance each round that he'll get hungry and eat you.
You know, this sounds really good.
Why does 40k always have to focus on the violence?
Maybe an Agricola reskin where you farm nutrient algae on Valhalla?
As far as a Genestealer Cult vehicles go, I imagine a Limo in the 40k setting isn't too different than the rules for Taurox Prime with other vehicles being in the vein of the FW Tauros.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: I hope there's a limo. In fact I hope the game is about the limo driver. You'd have to drive around picking up and dropping off important cult members on their various errands while avoiding the Arbites, Deathwatch and parking tickets. On the last mission you have to drive the Patriarch, but you have to be quick because there's a random chance each round that he'll get hungry and eat you.
Kanluwen wrote: Not really sure why you're talking about "retconning" or cults "being bestowed the Tyranid faction for allies purposes". If they do get their own Codex, they're guaranteed to be BB with Tyranids.
My reference to retconning comes from your fluff evidence that PDF don't have Leman Russ', therefore GS cults won't have access to them. It would seem far more likely that a GS cult codex would have some units borrowed from the IG codex, and since the last thing the Tyranids needs is more cheap hordes, vehicles would be a likely addition to make GS cults useful as Tyranid Battle Brothers.
Sinful Hero wrote: Ah, appreciated. Didn't know how PDFs were generally equipped.
PDF's aren't "generally equipped" with anything. There's no formal structure to a planetary defence force. What they have is based on whatever world they're from. Primitive world? You're going to have guys with spears. Feudal world? Welcome to a PDF filled with knights and footmen.
And whatever the PDF has, I don't think Mr. Carnifex is going to see a couple of Brood Brethren and go "Friend! No eat!". Nah, he'll chomp them just as he would any non-Tyranid organism.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: I hope there's a limo. In fact I hope the game is about the limo driver. You'd have to drive around picking up and dropping off important cult members on their various errands while avoiding the Arbites, Deathwatch and parking tickets. On the last mission you have to drive the Patriarch, but you have to be quick because there's a random chance each round that he'll get hungry and eat you.
You know, this sounds really good.
Why does 40k always have to focus on the violence?
Maybe an Agricola reskin where you farm nutrient algae on Valhalla?
Nah, not infuriatingly futile enough; set it during the Ork invasion of Valhalla and make it a Tharsis clone - oh dear, one of your farmers has rolled badly and uncovered a nest of Squigs, looks like he's a dead'un
There was a (not in any way GW supported) print and play game on Boardgame awhile back that was called Cleanse the Stars, which was a re-themed Pandemic, where you are iconic 40k archetypes (Inquisitor, Astartes, Mechanicum, etc) stopping 4 major threats (Orks, Necrons, Chaos, Tyramids) from spreading across the Imperium instead of the real game's diseases across the cities of the world.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't think Mr. Carnifex is going to see a couple of Brood Brethren and go "Friend! No eat!". Nah, he'll chomp them just as he would any non-Tyranid organism.
When under Synapse, the Carnifex is under the direction of the Hive Mind. So will be the Cult when in Synapse. They will act as the Tyranid swarm, and will be considered Tyranids (not to mention most of them will probably have Tyranid/Genestealer DNA within them). Out of Synapse, probably dinner time.
Warhams-77 wrote: I read this misconception a few times here... cultists are manipulated humans, parents, PDF forces etc.
But Sad Panda pointed out there are Hybrid(-like) troops. They get born by (Genestealer) infected humans. Genetically they are now alien beasts mixed with the hosts DNA.
Early generation hybrids look a lot like Genestealers. Later ones get more human and can use weapons like firearms. The fourth looks mostly like a human and is highly psychic (called Magus). There are four hybrid generations, with new Genestealers being the fifth one and starting the cycle anew. This has not much to do with Tyranid forces. Except growing Genestealer Cults send a beacon to Tyranids through space - but it takes ages until they arrive.
The original 1st Ed Genestealer army was a two-part army list. One part, the Genestealer Cult, was heavily connected to Chaos worshippers and similiar rebellious forces. The other one, the Invasion Force, was basically a small, growing Genestealer brood (lacking the Magus for example). The 3rd Ed GC focused afaik more on the rebellion type - combining the Hybrid cycle and human rebels but minus Chaos. The original cycle was still there and never got retconned.
Genestealers scout for the Tyranids without knowing - create a cult lead by the oldest one - and draw in Tyranid forces with their psychic beacons growing with the amount of Hybrids, Mind Slaves (like the parents of the Hybrids) in a Cult, and the power of the Broodlord and his Magus.
The first edition GC playstyle was very cool and unique. Fluffwise a new, combined GC and Tyranid army list would only focus on a few days of up to hundreds of years of a Patriarchs life and the Cult.
Not sure if this limitation would be satisfying for Genestealer Cult players. The arrival of the Tyranids is basically the end of the Cult - and that would mean skipping much of the more interesting times of growing a cult and starting the actual rebellion that weakens the planet's population and its defenses.
The new Codex: Harlequins had some pretty unusual rules like the Deathjesters' way of manipulating enemy forces and I can see GW bringing that type of gameplay back for GC as well.
They were basically the Puppetmasters of 1st ed - part of a squad of Genestealers paralyzing an enemy unit via eye contact (a kind of psychic dominance) and the other charging the helpless foe. There were also insta-kill attacks (Facehugger-like) and other elements.
Current Genestealers are only a shadow of their former self.
With the Magus and Broodlord they had very potent psykers too. Some RT spells (rulebook lists for all armies) were overpowered anyway, but they made GC a serious threat.
Also RT's hidden deployment mechanic made infiltrators much better. You had to detect them by getting nearby. Genestealer units could get rules that prevent them from getting attacked until you are within 12". This would make them much better. The Leviathan Dataslate formation that lets them deploy in ruins seems to be a step in the direction a Genestealer Cult army could play like.
Harlequins get a kind of additional game turn. Why not bring back the older elements of the GC cult?
Wow. Thanks for all that, that all sounds amazing!
Sinful Hero wrote: Ah, appreciated. Didn't know how PDFs were generally equipped.
PDF's aren't "generally equipped" with anything. There's no formal structure to a planetary defence force. What they have is based on whatever world they're from. Primitive world? You're going to have guys with spears. Feudal world? Welcome to a PDF filled with knights and footmen.
And whatever the PDF has, I don't think Mr. Carnifex is going to see a couple of Brood Brethren and go "Friend! No eat!". Nah, he'll chomp them just as he would any non-Tyranid organism.
As Carnikang says,
Carnikang wrote:
When under Synapse, the Carnifex is under the direction of the Hive Mind. So will be the Cult when in Synapse. They will act as the Tyranid swarm, and will be considered Tyranids (not to mention most of them will probably have Tyranid/Genestealer DNA within them). Out of Synapse, probably dinner time.
Plus thanks to the new codex a Carnifex(or any model with IB:Feed) will eat other Carnifexes out of synapse just as well as anything else it stumbles across.
Carnikang wrote:
When under Synapse, the Carnifex is under the direction of the Hive Mind. So will be the Cult when in Synapse. They will act as the Tyranid swarm, and will be considered Tyranids (not to mention most of them will probably have Tyranid/Genestealer DNA within them). Out of Synapse, probably dinner time.
Plus thanks to the new codex a Carnifex(or any model with IB:Feed) will eat other Carnifexes out of synapse just as well as anything else it stumbles across.
The non-Hybrid/Genestealer members of the Cult are still human. Synapse wouldn't apply.
Carnikang wrote:
When under Synapse, the Carnifex is under the direction of the Hive Mind. So will be the Cult when in Synapse. They will act as the Tyranid swarm, and will be considered Tyranids (not to mention most of them will probably have Tyranid/Genestealer DNA within them). Out of Synapse, probably dinner time.
Plus thanks to the new codex a Carnifex(or any model with IB:Feed) will eat other Carnifexes out of synapse just as well as anything else it stumbles across.
The non-Hybrid/Genestealer members of the Cult are still human. Synapse wouldn't apply.
Synapse would apply to the Carnifex to keep them from eating the humans. I seem to recall that the "still human" cult members still had their DNA slightly altered by the 'stealers so that they start the Genestealers breeding chain, and were also slightly enthralled. That's just from my vague recollection of a Black Library book though, so I may have missed some details.
Carnikang wrote:
When under Synapse, the Carnifex is under the direction of the Hive Mind. So will be the Cult when in Synapse. They will act as the Tyranid swarm, and will be considered Tyranids (not to mention most of them will probably have Tyranid/Genestealer DNA within them). Out of Synapse, probably dinner time.
Plus thanks to the new codex a Carnifex(or any model with IB:Feed) will eat other Carnifexes out of synapse just as well as anything else it stumbles across.
The non-Hybrid/Genestealer members of the Cult are still human. Synapse wouldn't apply.
The human part of the cult also seems to be part of the cult's brood mind, with them being practically slaves to their non-human familiars.
Sorry that I missed this info but will this be more like:
A: Stormclaw (just models maybe with some rules/stats for 40k)
B: Betrayal @ Calth with tiles and self-contained boardgame
According to Hastings and Sad Panda it starts with a boardgame like Calth. Both are very reliable sources - this is basically confirmed, release Q1/Q2 2016. They also pointed out that miniatures from the box and new kits will be released later. Hastings had heard - but he said this is not 100% - there could be Genestealer Cult and Deathwatch Codizes coming with the miniatures, like Harlequins and Tempestus got books even though they are part of other factions. We have no idea yet if Genestealers will be removed from Codex: Tyranids.
In case of Execution Force it took ~6 months for the Assassins to get released individually.
Just another board game? Not a bad move.
Similar to the HH board game, it could be an incentive for starting another army (Nids) or augmenting a collection (DW).
I wasn't into GW while I was there, nor the second tour through Tokyo for a few years. It's even more expensive there, right?
I' am seriously hoping this Stealer game comes to pass. I've given up on regular GW40K and AoS releases, but have really been enjoying their box sets, like the Sigmar starter and Calth.
Warhams-77 wrote: According to Hastings and Sad Panda it starts with a boardgame like Calth. Both are very reliable sources - this is basically confirmed, release Q1/Q2 2016. They also pointed out that miniatures from the box and new kits will be released later. Hastings had heard - but he said this is not 100% - there could be Genestealer Cult and Deathwatch Codizes coming with the miniatures, like Harlequins and Tempestus got books even though they are part of other factions. We have no idea yet if Genestealers will be removed from Codex: Tyranids.
In case of Execution Force it took ~6 months for the Assassins to get released individually.
That it's a boardgame is good news, for me at least. Hoping they use the BaC engine.
Warhams-77 wrote: According to Hastings and Sad Panda it starts with a boardgame like Calth. Both are very reliable sources - this is basically confirmed, release Q1/Q2 2016. They also pointed out that miniatures from the box and new kits will be released later. Hastings had heard - but he said this is not 100% - there could be Genestealer Cult and Deathwatch Codizes coming with the miniatures, like Harlequins and Tempestus got books even though they are part of other factions. We have no idea yet if Genestealers will be removed from Codex: Tyranids.
In case of Execution Force it took ~6 months for the Assassins to get released individually.
That it's a boardgame is good news, for me at least. Hoping they use the BaC engine.
At the very least, I would love for them to use tiles compatible with the BaC ones.
I wasn't into GW while I was there, nor the second tour through Tokyo for a few years. It's even more expensive there, right?
I' am seriously hoping this Stealer game comes to pass. I've given up on regular GW40K and AoS releases, but have really been enjoying their box sets, like the Sigmar starter and Calth.
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Never made it to Hiroshima but I hear good things, a buddy of mine is DJing there now.
On topic...
Fingers crossed, but I've been disappointed before.
Come on Panda, you can't drop the mic and walk off after that one, tell us more...
Hmmmm...
Deathwatch miniatures in the boxed game are all mono-pose characters (think Space Hulk, except with normal bases). Sternguard rumors are nonsense. One is possibly the first dedicated Blood Ravens mini by GW (feel free to correct me there. My GW-history-fu is weak)?
Lots of cultists, a few pure genestealers, another new broodlord.
Multi-part kits later this year.
Reposting content for folks who don't want to trawl the #100 thread.
I don't need XENOS cultists (re-release the Paul Muller cultists and original Redemptionists and Cawdor, GW D and I don't need Deathwatch. The Space Hulk minis were super sexy, though. Will wait and see.
My neighbour had the original hybrids back in the 90s. They were great. Part of the boardgame (or was it an expansion for Space Hulk? Maybe both). Had the the guy with the big collar and staff too. Nostelgia; just as I get the Tyranid starter box too.
They were in at least one of the Space Hulk expansions, called Genestealer. They were a wonderful 40k army too, we played many tense games with them in 1st and 2nd Edition (although in 2nd, like Squats, they were feeling the lack of interest in the Studio).
Good thing GW is getting this out before another 3rd party rips the title off, slaps boobs on the figures and sells it as it's own. Though Jeanstealers could be a fun game depending on the gender of the opponent.
Bull0 wrote: This is brilliant news, can't wait to see some pictures. I can live with monopose if they're really nice sculpts a la Space Hulk.
The Space Hulk termies are some of the nicest plastics they've ever done, monopose or not. If the Deathwatch & Genestealer Cult are close to the quality of them I'd be delighted.
Bull0 wrote: This is brilliant news, can't wait to see some pictures. I can live with monopose if they're really nice sculpts a la Space Hulk.
The Space Hulk termies are some of the nicest plastics they've ever done, monopose or not. If the Deathwatch & Genestealer Cult are close to the quality of them I'd be delighted.
ill only want half the box anyway.. possibly 2 sets...
I didnt know Space Hulk Deathwing will have hybrid enemies. I was watching an old Angry Joe interview and the developers were talking with GW for a while on bringing hybrids back. It will be interesting to see if in-game models look similar to the new plastics.
Hmm, monopose Deathwatch? I wonder if they will be "themed", with sculpted shoulderpads - like the typical Ultramarine character, Blood Angel, Space Wolf etc, or if they will all be generic.
Oguhmek wrote: Hmm, mono-pose Deathwatch? I wonder if they will be "themed", with sculpted shoulder pads - like the typical Ultramarine character, Blood Angel, Space Wolf etc, or if they will all be generic.
My guess is generic with no chapter-specific bling, so you can pick and choose the chapters the Deathwatch team is drawn from. Same as Betrayal at Calth. But the rules will probably cover a specific group of characters.
unmercifulconker wrote: I didnt know Space Hulk Deathwing will have hybrid enemies. I was watching an old Angry Joe interview and the developers were talking with GW for a while on bringing hybrids back. It will be interesting to see if in-game models look similar to the new plastics.
Yes, they did confirm having Hybrids in the DWPC/Console game. Shield of Baal fluff mentioned them as well.
In the trailer for Deathwing PC from last year there were burned corpses that looked more like humans than Genestealers. I do not agree with the opinion that these could be hybrids. They look like servitors to me
Think I would much prefer sculpted chapter's rather than generic marines. Give us a salamander skin covered flamer dude and a bionic iron hands.
Someone mentioned a possible Blood Raven marine? I am also guessing an Ultramarine one would be expected but I would love to see:
Salamander flamer
Iron Hands Heavy Bolter
Black Templar and Blood Angels melee dudes
White Scar fella with kick ass scimitar.
I didnt think those bodies in the deathwing vid were hybrids either, just looked like generically burnt humans to me.
Even if the characters were monopose, I think it would be cool if the set had seperate shoulder pads that you can attach to any squaddie. Offer a smattering of different pads in the box (15 shoulder pads allows for fairly diverse squads) and include an advert for all the FW/GW shoulder pads/loyalist upgrades/chapter upgrades/chapter-specific kits too and you've got something
MacMuckles wrote: Even if the characters were monopose, I think it would be cool if the set had seperate shoulder pads that you can attach to any squaddie. Offer a smattering of different pads in the box (15 shoulder pads allows for fairly diverse squads) and include an advert for all the FW/GW shoulder pads/loyalist upgrades/chapter upgrades/chapter-specific kits too and you've got something
I agree, that would make an enormous amount of sense. I guess a big part of the reason for monopose is to keep costs down, though, and I'm guessing more parts means more cost. I'd really like to see monopose with options, like the good old days - the plastic Necromunda gangs, while not as nice as the one-piece metal figures, had that advantage, and it was fun picking out which weapons to use, etc. People love options. It makes sense. With Deathwatch, you could happily have several different combi-weapons etc to choose from, choose an axe or a sword or a chainsword, etc. Just makes the whole thing feel a bit more exciting.
Hi, just heard about this thread. Exciting prospects.
Just a few comments:
1) if you have monopose SMs to keep costs down, it would seem to make most sense that this is because they have interesting details (think SH, Dark Vengeance characters etc).
2) Having different pads for DW is essential if the minis are to give the customer some choice, but that would mean the SMs would be generic ie no tassels for SW, or tear drops for BAs etc etc. So why don't they just throw a tactical marine sprue in from their abundant supply and a few pads? Would seem to be far cheaper again - no design costs or extra production costs, they just pay for a few thousand more of their staple sprues. Now this wouldn't be exciting, unless they poured their designers time and efforts in to developing a multi-chapter upgrade sprue for a set number of chapters which would include backpacks, tassels, pelts, chapter specific weapons and combi-weapons and the aforementioned shoulder pads. Now that would be one heck of an exciting sprue to get with the ability to make a wide range of poses. And of course to stop it just being a SM chapter parade they can chuck in plastic DW pads created by using their pre-existing Finecast mould, making them DW and keeping costs low again.
3) Genestealer cult minis would be cool to see again. But would need to have the variety of stages that used to be around. Now that would be a cool nostalgia trip and would fit nicely with my old 2nd edition Tyranids
Sorry for diving in with a long message, hope it made some sense
It does Welcome to the topic, I agree with what you are saying. Monopose (well done like those in the newest Space Hulk editions) allows for more characterful miniatures. Hopefully they will turn out to be a good start for converting chapter specific character models.
Warhams-77 wrote: Maybe the Deathwatch miniatures will be based on the main characters from the Black Library ebook series.
Oh you utter tease...
Please make this be true. Cantankerous Lamentors Dreadnought, Soulless Exorcist etc etc
Careful, I hope I wasn't misunderstood. I don't know if this is the case. That series of short stories each based on a character just felt like a good basis for a game. Space Hulk's Blood Angel miniatures had names, portraits, little backstories and a novel, too. Maybe Black Library is already introducing the characters from the box? I'm just speculating though.
Didn't Sad Panda confirm that this game will contain a Blood Raven? My guess is that there will be at least one Ultramarine, Dark Angel, and Blood Angel(though this one is less likely with the Blood Raven). I wouldn't count on obscure chapters like the Forgeworld chapters seeing models, but you never know.
The clever thing to do would have been to include around 15 Marines that are all mono-pose (but awesome, like Space Hulk termies) but make sure that one shoulder pad is always left off, then have a sprue of about 30-40 (to allow for doubles) of a bunch of different Chapters, plus a few other bits and bobs for extras (DA, BA, Wolf iconography, etc.).
But seriously. I really wish you were right though. I would love the ability to make MY Deathwatch. Though I could see the game actually having named characters the way Space Hulk did.
However, I am going to paint one or two of my Sternguard as Deathwatch Marines. Just because.
My excitement for this went down lower than my joy at seeing a new Star Wars movie 30 seconds after it ended.
Why is that? The possibly monopose marine(s)?
That and the non Codex.
Years ago I came up with an awesome Deathwatch army based on the old WD article. Then they kiboshed the list for the GT and I had to hurry up and paint another army. I've been wanting to return to it for years, but none of the rules sets have made them viable...for a brief time when Kantor's rules applied to Blood Angels SG you could make a cool list.
But then again, the game has changed in so many ways. SG are overpriced in a game where mass fire negates the power of a 3+ save and you don't have the numbers to stand toe to toe against most armies.
I really hope that the Cult is Allies with Tyranids.
It's a fear, even after thinking over it and saying "Well golly, why wouldn't they let our Genestealer Cult fight along side us in the invasion?"
Then I remember that I play Tyranids. We don't get friends.
the_Armyman wrote: So, is this another offering from the fledgling Specialist Games Studio or is this a GW Main Studio product?
This is main studio. It is in hard plastic and the miniatures can be used in 40K without conversions.
People underestimate the lead time on those boxed games / starter sets in plastic.
The Deatwatch game was finished by the time EF was released.
The AoS-themed boxed game you'll see this summer was finished by the time the AoS starter was released.
The second HH boxed game this fall was finished by the time Calth was released.
The specialist games studio was launched a little more than a month ago. The teased Blood Bowl stuff was probably the first work this team did after starting their new jobs in January. It will likely be among the first things they will release, and I don't think they are aiming for 2016.
the_Armyman wrote: So, is this another offering from the fledgling Specialist Games Studio or is this a GW Main Studio product?
This is main studio. It is in hard plastic and the miniatures can be used in 40K without conversions.
People underestimate the lead time on those boxed games / starter sets in plastic.
The Deatwatch game was finished by the time EF was released.
The AoS-themed boxed game you'll see this summer was finished by the time the AoS starter was released. The second HH boxed game this fall was finished by the time Calth was released.
The specialist games studio was launched a little more than a month ago. The teased Blood Bowl stuff was probably the first work this team did after starting their new jobs in January. It will likely be among the first things they will release, and I don't think they are aiming for 2016.
Intrigued. The start of a campaign once the current one wraps up?
the_Armyman wrote: So, is this another offering from the fledgling Specialist Games Studio or is this a GW Main Studio product?
This is main studio. It is in hard plastic and the miniatures can be used in 40K without conversions.
People underestimate the lead time on those boxed games / starter sets in plastic.
The Deatwatch game was finished by the time EF was released.
The AoS-themed boxed game you'll see this summer was finished by the time the AoS starter was released.
The second HH boxed game this fall was finished by the time Calth was released.
The specialist games studio was launched a little more than a month ago. The teased Blood Bowl stuff was probably the first work this team did after starting their new jobs in January. It will likely be among the first things they will release, and I don't think they are aiming for 2016.
Interesting stuff
Got the feeling that the AOS game will introduce the elves (or shouldn't I say aelves).
Sad Panda wrote: The Deatwatch game was finished by the time EF was released.
The AoS-themed boxed game you'll see this summer was finished by the time the AoS starter was released.
The second HH boxed game this fall was finished by the time Calth was released.
And the Thousand Sons were finished when? Around the same time the Space Marines codex came out?
And just as an aside, can we expect any blood drop laden models/books in the not-so-distant future?
Sad Panda dropping the bombs once again. The second horus game is an oldish rumour, possibly from Sad Panda. I hope it is compatible with BAC. The AOS game sounds exciting I hope they are brave enough to step away from the stormcast. imagine a game telling the Slaanesh Aelves story. I am worried, though, thay they will follow the 40k example of having marines in everything.
Chikout wrote: Sad Panda dropping the bombs once again. The second hours game is an oldish rumour, possibly from Sad Panda. I hope it is compatible with BAC. The AOS game sounds exciting I hope they are brave enough to step away from the stormcast. imagine a game telling the Slaanesh Aelves story. I am worried, though, thay they will follow the 40k example of having marines in everything.
Since Stormcast sales have most likely been quite underwhelming, I can certainly see them starting to steer towards the most popular reces. Of course the board game is already done and dusted so that will probably have Stormcast in it, but around 2017 we might see more products that have started development after AoS was launched.
Oooh, an AoS game. Nurgle vs anyone would be best, but the starter/monopose plastics from GW in SH, DV and AoS have been so impressive (and cheap-ish e I'm tempted to buy all of thise games they put out, even if BB will be the only one that gets gaming time. Seriously, how can they be so much better than the multikits. Dem Chosen CSM.
For Deathwatch I'd prefer predesigned characters over player's choice, if they adorn them with tasteful (yeah, that'll be hard for the current team ) chapter iconography and give them exciting poses. And some love to a few lesser known or yet unexisting chapters with the same amount of details and bling as the big chapter boys. Artemis has to be there as well.
For the hybrids/cultists, eh, if they're robed and convertable into proper Imperium civilians and cultists (read: Word Bearers sponsored) I'd be sooo happy.
the_Armyman wrote: So, is this another offering from the fledgling Specialist Games Studio or is this a GW Main Studio product?
This is main studio. It is in hard plastic and the miniatures can be used in 40K without conversions.
People underestimate the lead time on those boxed games / starter sets in plastic.
The Deatwatch game was finished by the time EF was released.
The AoS-themed boxed game you'll see this summer was finished by the time the AoS starter was released.
The second HH boxed game this fall was finished by the time Calth was released.
The specialist games studio was launched a little more than a month ago. The teased Blood Bowl stuff was probably the first work this team did after starting their new jobs in January. It will likely be among the first things they will release, and I don't think they are aiming for 2016.
Hot diggity!
If the AoS game in any way resembles Warhammer quest - I'll be on it like sonic!
Looks like I am starting a board game collection this year lol
Oh God, Deathwatch, then an AoS board game, then another HH set! This year is going to be an expensive one, I can't say no to good value 'big box' stuff!
Paradigm wrote: Oh God, Deathwatch, then an AoS board game, then another HH set! This year is going to be an expensive one, I can't say no to good value 'big box' stuff!
I wonder which direction GW is going with such kind of releases.
No more codex updates? Just board games?
With the HH board game, they destroyed their market for Tactical Marines, Devastators, Dreads, and Termies (bar TH/SS). You get these units for cheap from ebay.
Paradigm wrote: Oh God, Deathwatch, then an AoS board game, then another HH set! This year is going to be an expensive one, I can't say no to good value 'big box' stuff!
I wonder which direction GW is going with such kind of releases.
No more codex updates? Just board games?
With the HH board game, they destroyed their market for Tactical Marines, Devastators, Dreads, and Termies (bar TH/SS). You get these units for cheap from ebay.
To be fair, with their weekly release rate, they can release 3-4 box/board games a year easily and still do a codex every month. The accelerated codex releases and lack of need to do them for AoS means they can slow down and do more intermittent releases and campaign books and stuff, and still sucker people into buying a 'new' codex that is 90% the same with a couple of additions or changes (which is what they've been doing for years, but at least they're being up front about it now! )
With the HH board game, they destroyed their market for Tactical Marines, Devastators, Dreads, and Termies (bar TH/SS). You get these units for cheap from ebay.
I disagree they've destroyed the market. You've got limited weapons for the Tacticals/Devs/Termies and lack of general options that the box sets come with. Additionally when you start bitting out those additional items you'll see the cost climb to the same or more than just buying the boxset would have been. Not to mention the difference in style with the weaponry in general.
Also with the HH board game they've taken strain off of FW and increased the likelihood of people getting into HH as the box set + legion specific upgrades is massively cheaper than it used to be. This move probably dragged a lot of new people in. And it was time when they had released most legions upgrade kits already so a lot of the people likely to build an HH army had already purchased the FW marines before this.
I'm pumped for the Deathwatch game but I'm trying not to get to excited as I don't want to be disappointed like with Execution Force (though it was a fun game and the models were neat it was just meh to me). A second HH game will be awesome and I'm interested in seeing what they do with the AoS board game.
I really dunno. I mean how many of us were buying tactical squads before BaC new from GW? How many people bought BaC?
I think it makes sense as noobs will always buy new as they don't know better and vets probably don't buy from GW so I suppose the net loss was pretty small.
Also I don't like the termis, and plenty don't want contemptors, or want newer style marines/termis/actual devastator weapons that are useful eg grav.
Definitely don't thin they 'destroyed' their market. Just gave people who think MkIV is good something to buy.
Paradigm wrote: Oh God, Deathwatch, then an AoS board game, then another HH set! This year is going to be an expensive one, I can't say no to good value 'big box' stuff!
I wonder which direction GW is going with such kind of releases.
No more codex updates? Just board games?
With the HH board game, they destroyed their market for Tactical Marines, Devastators, Dreads, and Termies (bar TH/SS). You get these units for cheap from ebay.
To be fair, with their weekly release rate, they can release 3-4 box/board games a year easily and still do a codex every month. The accelerated codex releases and lack of need to do them for AoS means they can slow down and do more intermittent releases and campaign books and stuff, and still sucker people into buying a 'new' codex that is 90% the same with a couple of additions or changes (which is what they've been doing for years, but at least they're being up front about it now! )
Agreed.
To be fair, their weekly release rate is astonishing. They bring out things we never asked for. GW is on the way to diversify their product line ranging from painting and collecting, to gaming (rule sets seen as a service to the customer), to apps and books, up to merchandising.
IGtR= wrote: I really dunno. I mean how many of us were buying tactical squads before BaC new from GW? How many people bought BaC?
I think it makes sense as noobs will always buy new as they don't know better and vets probably don't buy from GW so I suppose the net loss was pretty small.
Also I don't like the termis, and plenty don't want contemptors, or want newer style marines/termis/actual devastator weapons that are useful eg grav.
Definitely don't thin they 'destroyed' their market. Just gave people who think MkIV is good something to buy.
That, and a shedload more variety for CSM/SM modelling. With the 30k era weapons on offer now, your 40K marines can look pretty unique.
Seeing as how the GW shops themselves represent a fairly small market in the Global footprint of game shops, as compared to the greater number of FLGS that carry GW product. ( I have no quantifiable idea what % of sales go directly through the GW web stores vs online discount resellers ) If someone is buying anything GW from pretty much any source, then GW already got the money they wanted for it. ( aside from resale of used product that is ) The discounts an such come out of who ever bought it from GW's end. GW already got its money. The GW shops and Webstores that make sales simply improve that bottom line in theory, but after operating costs and the like I'm sure that money isn't staggering but more then likely helpful to the over all bottom line. So the "impact" on sales of core boxes of Tac,Dev,Terminators etc and such is probably fairly negligible in the grand scheme of things. I would think anyway.
So the "impact" on sales of core boxes of Tac,Dev,Terminators etc and such is probably fairly negligible in the grand scheme of things.
You could be right. The diversification of the product line may reduce the impact of decreased sales of specific products.
I agree completely. Plus the board games are opening up new markets for the FWHH stuff. How many people out there were deterred from buying FW stuff bc you have to buy the squad and then the upgrade kits that got quite pricey. Now you can buy one board game and the upgrade kits to have a full HH army. It makes sense to make less on the board game if you think you can make it up on the back end with upgrade parts, shoulder pads and specialty units. Less so with AoS ,but it could lead to additional units being purchased to expand the army. This hobby can be addictive. One board game, model or faction can be a gateway drug into the GW IP.
So this will be the second year on a row with three big boxes. We already have blood bowl confirmed for 2017. I wonder if this is a pattern GW will continue. I hope this years games are good enough and sell well enough to encourage GW to try more of this kind of thing and maybe even sell expansions like they did for space hulk back in the day.
Chikout wrote: So this will be the second year on a row with three big boxes. We already have blood bowl confirmed for 2017. I wonder if this is a pattern GW will continue. I hope this years games are good enough and sell well enough to encourage GW to try more of this kind of thing and maybe even sell expansions like they did for space hulk back in the day.
be nice i think i liked Deathwing best. why didnt i keep things nice
The Genestealer expansion was my true introduction to GW. We had Genestealer before we even had Space Hulk, and by golly, we loved it!
We tried to reverse engineer the rules for Space Hulk based on what was in the rulebook, and just tried to fill in the gaps with logical reasoning.
I will certainly be checking this new upcoming game out.
And I really hope this new Sigmar game is a reskinned/ modernized Quest. What better way to get us to all buy Sigmar models that we wouldn't necessarily be interested in otherwise than to fill up our dungeon rosters?
highlord tamburlaine wrote: And I really hope this new Sigmar game is a reskinned/ modernized Quest. What better way to get us to all buy Sigmar models that we wouldn't necessarily be interested in otherwise than to fill up our dungeon rosters?
Couldn't agree more, a AoSWHQ feels like a no brainer- it would be one of the few board games where the ENTIRE AoS range could be added in to expand the core contents (Order as Heroes and Destruction/Death/Chaos as the bad guys). It would also appeal to lots of RPG or traditional fantasy players.
If it had a good enough campaign system too, it might actually be better than AoS in every regard haha
I am with Paradigm on this one, I just cannot resist the big boxed games/starter set. There is just something so satisfying about getting a load of minis, cards, dice etc in one set. Thanks to Sad Panda for the information.
We got so much stuff in the 1st HH box, I wounder what goodies we can expect in a 2nd, considering so many of the bassics got covered. Assault Mariens? MKIII breacher Squad? tartaros terminators?
I know some people speculated maby plastic 30k tanks, but I couldn't see anything bigger then a dread for the board game format.
Super excited for this now that there's word of new, unique models as I was afraid most of the box will be existing multi-parts like in Assassinorum, with a few upgrade frames or something similar. Hopefully the generic genestealers will also be new models, along the lines of the ones in Space Hulk. I don't mind mono-pose as the ones in Space Hulk and most of the new HQ models are stellar.
Lockark wrote: We got so much stuff in the 1st HH box, I wounder what goodies we can expect in a 2nd, considering so many of the bassics got covered. Assault Mariens? MKIII breacher Squad? tartaros terminators?
I know some people speculated maby plastic 30k tanks, but I couldn't see anything bigger then a dread for the board game format.
MkIII armour is probably a given, I'd think, if they are Assaults or Breachers then even better, but given the amount you can do with GW sprues these days, even if they're just Tacs it'll be awesome. Tartaros Termies I'm not a massive fan of, but I wouldn't say no to. Maybe Rapiers in place of a Dread, they're very popular and probably quite easy to do in plastic.
I don't know about Deathwatch. They carry usually special weapons and may be taken as Sternguard or Devastators.
But as a board game, there are no rules for Deathwatch in 40k, or am I wrong here?
Lockark wrote: We got so much stuff in the 1st HH box, I wounder what goodies we can expect in a 2nd, considering so many of the bassics got covered. Assault Mariens? MKIII breacher Squad? tartaros terminators?
I know some people speculated maby plastic 30k tanks, but I couldn't see anything bigger then a dread for the board game format.
I think your dead on with the Mk III armor and Tartaros terminators. The "large" piece is the only thing unknown in my mind. I don't know what would lead to a balanced game ,but maybe some type of mobile artillery, speeder or bike would work?
Lockark wrote: We got so much stuff in the 1st HH box, I wounder what goodies we can expect in a 2nd, considering so many of the bassics got covered. Assault Mariens? MKIII breacher Squad? tartaros terminators?
I know some people speculated maby plastic 30k tanks, but I couldn't see anything bigger then a dread for the board game format.
MkIII armour is probably a given, I'd think, if they are Assaults or Breachers then even better, but given the amount you can do with GW sprues these days, even if they're just Tacs it'll be awesome. Tartaros Termies I'm not a massive fan of, but I wouldn't say no to. Maybe Rapiers in place of a Dread, they're very popular and probably quite easy to do in plastic.
I suspect it'll be Breachers and/or Assault squads. Maybe Breachers could be Mk.3, but I'd guess Mk.4. I think that'd be more attractive to all those people who started building Mk.4 30K armies based on Betrayal of Calth.
Rapiers are a possibility. So is a Javelin, or jetbikes. But this is all off-topic.
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wuestenfux wrote: I don't know about Deathwatch. They carry usually special weapons and may be taken as Sternguard or Devastators.
But as a board game, there are no rules for Deathwatch in 40k, or am I wrong here?
I think what I said about GCults applies to Deathwatch too. If the minis exist, they'll give us rules to use them in 40K eventually. "Collectors blah de blah," but GW wants as many customers as possible to have an excuse to buy their minis. Just look at what's happened to 40K.
I'm weirdly not that anxious for model pics. When they arrive, they arrive. I don't know if I'm in some kind of Zen-like state, but it's like I'm going to feel something almost resembling relief rather than fist-pumping joy.
Speculation on the 2nd Horus Heresy box set... leading up to the first sets release they were saying MkIV armor was chosen because its compatible with all the 40k space marines... At the same time there were rumors of MkV plastics being done. I think it will come down to how much that 40k compatibility is important to management but it does paint a narrative showing the declining conditions on Calth.
As someone who put a lot of time and effort into the subject matter, I really hope they have true hybrids (hopefully even all 4 generations) and not just cultists - purestrains and nothing in between.
Haven't bought a mini in more than 2 years, but if this is good I may have to break the moratorium!
MajorTom11 wrote: As someone who put a lot of time and effort into the subject matter, I really hope they have true hybrids (hopefully even all 4 generations) and not just cultists - purestrains and nothing in between.
Don't worry, Hybrids are coming according to Sad Panda
We are not sure about the hybrid cycles (including the Magus) yet but these more specific models could come later when GW brings the multi-part kits and - most likely - rules for 40k.
Enjoy the ride until we have the game in our hands/claws
wuestenfux wrote: I don't know about Deathwatch. They carry usually special weapons and may be taken as Sternguard or Devastators.
But as a board game, there are no rules for Deathwatch in 40k, or am I wrong here?
Deathwatch did have WD rules back in 4th. They got some unique wargear and had the ability to upgrade any number of marines to veterans, who got Sergeant stat lines and access to more gear. There was a "captain" that came with the squad and he could be upgraded to a librarian. The rules for them were genuinely cool, but were no longer relevant due to old rules being phased out that made them unique (re: True Grit).
"Counts as" Sternguard never was an official thing. Most people just made the connection because deathwatch had access to hellfire bolter rounds. Playing them this way left out some of the major things that made them cool, like the heavy bolter suspensors that gave the ability to fire at Assault 3 18", or the heavy bolter hellfire round that was a Poisoned 2+ Small Blast.
I just realized turning AoS and its whole product line into delicious Warhammer Quest fodder, is literally too good to be true. It would make me not only forgive that game for being the mess it is, but it would get me excited to play and purchase a ton of random kits.
And thus, because I now want it to be true, I will try to be realistic, and predict the actual board-game will somehow be a Monopoly reskin.
MajorTom11 wrote: As someone who put a lot of time and effort into the subject matter, I really hope they have true hybrids (hopefully even all 4 generations) and not just cultists - purestrains and nothing in between.
Don't worry, Hybrids are coming according to Sad Panda
We are not sure about the hybrid cycles (including the Magus) yet but these more specific models could come later when GW brings the multi-part kits and - most likely - rules for 40k.
Enjoy the ride until we have the game in our hands/claws
As someone who also put a lot of time and effort into the subject matter, I really hope they'll have brood brothers (hopefully with vehicles/tanks) later and not just hybrids - purestrains and no hosts.
Lockark wrote: We got so much stuff in the 1st HH box, I wounder what goodies we can expect in a 2nd, considering so many of the bassics got covered. Assault Mariens? MKIII breacher Squad? tartaros terminators?
I know some people speculated maby plastic 30k tanks, but I couldn't see anything bigger then a dread for the board game format.
I think your dead on with the Mk III armor and Tartaros terminators. The "large" piece is the only thing unknown in my mind. I don't know what would lead to a balanced game ,but maybe some type of mobile artillery, speeder or bike would work?
Imagine if they did do tanks. And just tanks. Battle of Tallarn board game anyone? No chance of that though. They should do it for when they release epic though!
Lockark wrote: We got so much stuff in the 1st HH box, I wounder what goodies we can expect in a 2nd, considering so many of the bassics got covered. Assault Mariens? MKIII breacher Squad? tartaros terminators?
I know some people speculated maby plastic 30k tanks, but I couldn't see anything bigger then a dread for the board game format.
Random shot in the dark here, but if it's based on Phall I'd guest the following:
30 MKIII Tacticals/Vet Tacticals (10 for IF, 20 for IW)
MajorTom11 wrote: As someone who put a lot of time and effort into the subject matter, I really hope they have true hybrids (hopefully even all 4 generations) and not just cultists - purestrains and nothing in between.
Don't worry, Hybrids are coming according to Sad Panda
We are not sure about the hybrid cycles (including the Magus) yet but these more specific models could come later when GW brings the multi-part kits and - most likely - rules for 40k.
Enjoy the ride until we have the game in our hands/claws
I am really hoping for lots of dudes with the high hood collars
