What is heartbreaking is how high this would have been if it was better run, would I do better, I frankly do not know, but I have that gut feeling this one could be in a better position right now.
Ok, I would not drop because of lack of renders personally, I really hope they will fix them though and have some faith in what they will deliver, would fatally damage my perception of them if they do not deliver as close to the concept art as humanely possible, I am quite tolerant to delays, but when they say they will make the concept art in miniature form I expect them to do so.
On a more positive note that's the first and only mech I like, not only it looks good it has some art deco included in AND a lady with a side cap.
No one knows how this would have been, if something was different in the past. Maybe better, maybe the same. I would more tend to same, since it is pretty normal, that the pledges aren't that high in the middle of the Kickstarter.
I think a focus on the present is more appropriate and I think they're doing a good job. Most is and all will be unlocked at the end of the KS and on top of it there will be many upgrades and freebies in the last days, that will make the value of all the pledge levels very high. I wouldn't have thought there is coming that much but it is looking cool. I hope they have artworks for the Freebies and some of the upgrades and hopefully Raging Heroes is giving us more renders too.
Checking the current Kicktraq prediction ($581K), that will put us at the Kurganova Trike spot on that roadmap. Probably will go a bit higher than that with the usual last day rush.
I like the look of that KurgaMech. Then again, I've liked all of them so far and plan to get one of each.
Creating a good rendering from a digital sculpt is akin to taking a good photograph. It takes time, especially if you don't want the customers to rage about a perceived flaw in said rendering that's just there due to a sloppy screenshot and not due to the sculpting itself.
I disagree, but we can leave it at that so as not to derail the thread.
Asking nicely is one thing, pretending or implying that RH somehow hides them from us is outright bizarre and still encountered way too often in this very thread. I too would like to see more renderings and i am sure we'll see more. But i don't think it'll help to constantly nag about it, especially in an accusing manner.
Edit: As we know there have been some RL issues as well as an unforeseen increased KS campaign work load just to (insufficiently) appease a vocal minority. I guess all that has had a negative impact on their lofty goal to finish the sculpting of most miniatures. So, let's see how much they accomplish until Saturday evening and then decide. Although judging from past products there really is no need to worry. Their miniatures have always been very satisfactory both in quality and design.
It's far more bizarre to have that work done and not show it. Unless of course you are afraid that your work will not pass muster with your audience, and will decrease the size of your loan. It's not too outlandish to speculate that this is happening, especially given the reaction that a couple of the renders have spawned.
Having supposedly worked on this Kickstarter for a year and having so little in the way of sculpts finished is also bizarre. But they may be done and just not showing it, which takes us back to my point above.
I would also disagree that their design work is always solid. The artwork that has been shown has been a mixed bag for a lot of folks, me included. Their final quality should be a safe bet though.
Ultimately for me it is all a non-issue. Several factors have led me to dropping my pledge, so I am now totally a spectator.
What is heartbreaking is how high this would have been if it was better run, would I do better, I frankly do not know, but I have that gut feeling this one could be in a better position right now.
My feelings as well. This update a week ago could have brought in many new pledges as well as plenty of bumped up pledge levels. Today is the 4th of July holiday in the states, so a lot of people will not see this update until later in the weekend. I guess we will see if this is enough to drive this KS back up to the numbers it could have seen with a better managed KS.
Schmapdi wrote: They'll make it through their posted roadmap I believe.
Though had this KS not been so bizarrely run I bet it could have been a $2 million+ one.
$2 million?? Hah, everything below $40 billion is certainly a failure
Dream Forge with $205,971 total on the other side did everything right
Freebies, no freebies, more communication, less communication, clearly displayed roadmap, no roadmap, I don't think any of these would have had much impact on the final pledge amounts for this project. You either like the models and want them, or you don't. Freebies wouldn't change that, communication wouldn't change that (hell, many of us keep paying GW's absurd prices for no freebies and zero communication), a roadmap wouldn't change that. The only thing I think RH could have, and should have, done is show us more renders. Show us more of the (mostly) finished product. The actual product is what will put the proverbial butts in the seats. Everything else is just the sideshow.
Schmapdi wrote: They'll make it through their posted roadmap I believe.
Though had this KS not been so bizarrely run I bet it could have been a $2 million+ one.
$2 million?? Hah, everything below $40 billion is certainly a failure
Dream Forge with $205,971 total on the other side did everything right
Nah, DF didn't do everything right, not by a long shot (I don't think anyone would say that).
But what DF did do was communicate in a good faith manner with backers, and listen to feedback very, very well. No one's happy about the delays, but their communication during the campaign was absolutely excellent. Unfortunately, there is just not much to communicate at the moment as they wait on items to be cast months behind schedule... nature of the beast!
I'll eat my hat if Raging Heroes is anything close to on time, though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also interesting that this ends only 6-7 hours before Cthulhu Wars! I wonder if that will have any effect (I've seen a few people who have mentioned being pledged for both, and having to choose which to up / stick with / etc).
Tannhauser42 wrote: Freebies, no freebies, more communication, less communication, clearly displayed roadmap, no roadmap, I don't think any of these would have had much impact on the final pledge amounts for this project. You either like the models and want them, or you don't. Freebies wouldn't change that, communication wouldn't change that (hell, many of us keep paying GW's absurd prices for no freebies and zero communication), a roadmap wouldn't change that. The only thing I think RH could have, and should have, done is show us more renders. Show us more of the (mostly) finished product. The actual product is what will put the proverbial butts in the seats. Everything else is just the sideshow.
To an extent I'd agree with that. Where we would disagree is on freebies/discount. It doesn't have to be freebies honestly, a decent discount on the product works just fine. But when I, or many other people, are backing a company that has a history of being late on single miniatures and their estimate is already into next year I expect to benefit from my trust and money.
But yes. Seeing the actual models would be the best way to increase funding but I think they are scared it would actually negatively impact their interest free loan.
Hulksmash 530736 5812379 wrote:To an extent I'd agree with that. Where we would disagree is on freebies/discount. It doesn't have to be freebies honestly, a decent discount on the product works just fine. But when I, or many other people, are backing a company that has a history of being late on single miniatures and their estimate is already into next year I expect to benefit from my trust and money.
They already offer a very generous discount. Try this page to calculate your savings. And on top of that you get a bunch of free miniatures (from Lt. pledge onwards).
Hulksmash 530736 5812379 wrote:But yes. Seeing the actual models would be the best way to increase funding but I think they are scared it would actually negatively impact their interest free loan.
The last couple of renderings didn't negatively impact the funding, so why should that happen now?
RoninXiC wrote: I, as an observer of thousend of kickstarter projects, will tell you that the final two days will bring an equal amount of money as the first 28...
Dreamforge: $42k out of a total of 205k (so 1/4) Deadzone: $430k out of a total of 1216k (so 1/3) Sedition Wars: $305k out of a total of 951k (1/3) Reaper: 1366k out of 3429k (2/5) Zombicide Season 1: 248k of 781 (less than 1/3) Zombicide Season 2: 495k out of 2255k (less than 1/4)
And that's just a quick perusal of some of the miniature based kickstarters. Not even Bones, giving away the barn, pulled in 1/2 their total on the last two days. Just sayin.....
Hulksmash 530736 5812379 wrote:To an extent I'd agree with that. Where we would disagree is on freebies/discount. It doesn't have to be freebies honestly, a decent discount on the product works just fine. But when I, or many other people, are backing a company that has a history of being late on single miniatures and their estimate is already into next year I expect to benefit from my trust and money.
They already offer a very generous discount. Try this page to calculate your savings. And on top of that you get a bunch of free miniatures (from Lt. pledge onwards).
Hulksmash 530736 5812379 wrote:But yes. Seeing the actual models would be the best way to increase funding but I think they are scared it would actually negatively impact their interest free loan.
The last couple of renderings didn't negatively impact the funding, so why should that happen now?
If I was to build a mostly troop based force the discount is around 16%. It's a fine discount for the $10 mini's. But we've been thru this. The majority of the items you'd need significant numbers of doesn't reach 20% and most hover around 15%-16%. And that's 15-16% on models that are around a year out (likely more) and that we haven't seen solid renders of. Or in the case of the two we've seen don't live up to the artwork we have been shown.
As for why it would happen now, your a herald. Why don't you ask them why they haven't put up more renderings, especially of the troops. If Raging Heroes agreed with you I think we would have seen more renders by now. But hey, maybe not. Like I said, maybe they are all at that same 80% mark of being done and not being able to be shown
prankster wrote: The problem is though, we're running out of time and there's still lots for RH to actually do in that time.
Paid Unlocks
Freebie unlocks
Renders / prints to reveal.
Updates / Communication
To add to this list, one thing that has been promised (or so I am under the impression) but not yet provided is the grouping for shipping: people who only wanted to confine themselves to a single wave of shipping asked to know what was in which wave.
Indeed, that would have been on the list as well, though I stopped writing it to go read the update then got distracted by fire and meat outside. They have touched on the wave contents, but only in a brief and vague way.
prankster wrote: Well, $720k is very close to what we were aiming for before we switched to auto-unlocks. Now all we need is for the rush to come through in the last couple of days and we can blast through those.
Kind of amuses me that it was posted just as I was talking about their communication during the KS (see a few posts up)
An amusing co-incidence, but it does not materially alter the fact that they can be remarkably unresponsive in terms of communications.
In this, if nothing else, Mantic is head and shoulders above RH (Mantic has fantastic customer service).
Yeah, it doesn't change anything. I contacted them directly (via KSPM) last week and I've still not had a response other than to say they'd look at it and to remind them in a few days. Said reminder received nothing back from them, and it took getting a herald to ask them about PMs to get any sort of response and it was simply that they're still looking at it. It doesn't bother me that they're still thinking about it, it wasn't a simple yes/no question. What bothers me is that they didn't have the customer focus to reply to that effect via PM. I'm not alone in this, there was a chap chasing something repeatedly early on in KS comments who got told the same a few days later. It's generally not good customer service either, if I (or my employer) had done that when I worked in tech support we'd have had customers leaving in droves.
RoninXiC wrote: I, as an observer of thousend of kickstarter projects, will tell you that the final two days will bring an equal amount of money as the first 28...
Dreamforge: $42k out of a total of 205k (so 1/4)
Deadzone: $430k out of a total of 1216k (so 1/3)
Sedition Wars: $305k out of a total of 951k (1/3)
Reaper: 1366k out of 3429k (2/5)
And that's just a quick perusal of some of the miniature based kickstarters. Not even Bones, giving away the barn, pulled in 1/2 their total on the last two days. Just sayin.....
While 50% may be overstating it slightly, I would direct your attention to Kingdom Death: Monster, $918,217 out of a total of $2,049,721 (44.8%).
In fairness, KD:M was also not a 31 day campaign (46 days).
Hulksmash wrote: Kindgom Death genuinely seems to be the exception, not the rule. At least for Miniature/Boardgames. Let alone for purely miniature based KS's.
I see it less as an exception and more of a platonic ideal, but that may be emotional investment talking, hehe.
Hulksmash wrote: If I was to build a mostly troop based force the discount is around 16%. It's a fine discount for the $10 mini's. But we've been thru this. The majority of the items you'd need significant numbers of doesn't reach 20% and most hover around 15%-16%. And that's 15-16% on models that are around a year out (likely more) and that we haven't seen solid renders of. Or in the case of the two we've seen don't live up to the artwork we have been shown.
A good bit of it also depends on your pledge level. Using the pledge calculator based on my current EB General level, with about 1/3 characters 1/3 troops, 1/3 in artillery/bikes/mechs, I get almost a 39% discount. But, we also know that this is definitely a project designed for those who "go big" and want an entire army instead of just a few models.
EDIT: I would have to say Kingdom Death was a "monster" of its own.
So, now I've had chance to sit and read the update fully, it seems there's something interesting and ambitious stuff on there.
14 Free Upgrades - Based on the free upgrades we've seen so far these are probably just extra bits and bobs that they were most likely going to include anyway, but it's something to get people talking and maybe pledging.
8 Freebies - This includes the two we were expecting, mascot and freedom fighter. The rest look to be a mix of fleshing out spots in the heroines such as the Kurganova nurse and little things like the Cyber Zombie
6 uberSGs - These could get more money coming in, as it's certainly things that have been asked for during the KS run. Shame that the JBs don't get another unit type, especially as they're lacking heavy infantry. Though on the flip side, it's probably better for my wallet
1 Freebie Hacker Upgrade - I'm not sure where this falls in the list or what it could entail. I doubt it's another unlocked squad / heroine though, given the name.
So, 29 SGs announced, with details of the free upgrades to come as they're finalised. What it hinges on now is RH keeping up to date with the ones that we blow through and getting the free upgrade stuff finalised. All that on top of the other stuff that they need to do in the next 63 hours. Time to buy them a few gallons of coffee and chain them to computers
The problem is that the uber stretch goals are all things I would like, and would have pledged for if I had been given advance notice. Three days just isn't enough time for me to scrape up the extra scratch for them.
All in all the roadmap doesn't do much to tickle my pickle, but since I'm still in the 'ra-ra-Raging Heroes!' camp I doubt it was aimed at me anyway.
Jimsolo wrote: All in all the roadmap doesn't do much to tickle my pickle, but since I'm still in the 'ra-ra-Raging Heroes!' camp I doubt it was aimed at me anyway.
I think it's aimed at everyone really, though maybe for slightly different reasons. The main aim is to get new backers and persuade those who are already backing to increase their pledges. The USGs will probably do that, once we get some artwork for them.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I think I may have to do some more EB camping tomorrow whilst at work. Just have to persuade RH to let me have a private drop ship after that and it's all gravy
For me, it's clear that Raging Heroes can do dynamic, single pose sculpts well. I'm in for many of the heroines and the snipers, but the troops... I don't feel they'll live up to their concept art. Only seeing renders, and even just WIPs, would give me reason to reexamine my current opinion.
Jimsolo wrote: All in all the roadmap doesn't do much to tickle my pickle, but since I'm still in the 'ra-ra-Raging Heroes!' camp I doubt it was aimed at me anyway.
I think it's aimed at everyone really, though maybe for slightly different reasons. The main aim is to get new backers and persuade those who are already backing to increase their pledges. The USGs will probably do that, once we get some artwork for them.
Again, I can't increase my pledge any more than it's already been increased. Adding fancy new things to buy now only serves to torment me with things I can't have.
prankster wrote: So, now I've had chance to sit and read the update fully, it seems there's something interesting and ambitious stuff on there.
14 Free Upgrades - Based on the free upgrades we've seen so far these are probably just extra bits and bobs that they were most likely going to include anyway, but it's something to get people talking and maybe pledging.
8 Freebies - This includes the two we were expecting, mascot and freedom fighter. The rest look to be a mix of fleshing out spots in the heroines such as the Kurganova nurse and little things like the Cyber Zombie
1 Freebie Hacker Upgrade - I'm not sure where this falls in the list or what it could entail. I doubt it's another unlocked squad / heroine though, given the name.
So, 29 SGs announced, with details of the free upgrades to come as they're finalised. What it hinges on now is RH keeping up to date with the ones that we blow through and getting the free upgrade stuff finalised. All that on top of the other stuff that they need to do in the next 63 hours. Time to buy them a few gallons of coffee and chain them to computers
So 29 more SGs? in 2 1/2 days? I really have to wonder what they've been thinking.
And really - 8 freebies? I can't understand why they haven't been drip-feeding these in at one per day for the last almost-week, It makes little to no sense.
Nertha, the Iron Freedom Fighter, is now included for free ib all pledges starting at Lieutenant Box level and above.
Nertha is about life and renewal.
The Iron Empire is in a terrible vicious circle of death. While they were in exile from Earth, its people were exposed to heavy radiations and a great number died. Most of the surviving ones became sterile or gave birth to babies that were not viable.
When these lost travellers discovered the Aegyptian artifacts, they were able to revive a great many of their people, by making them more or less undead.
So they are now desperately seeking a way to bring back life again into their world and, at the same time, they have become so dependent on the necromantic Aegyptian technology that they can't break free from the 'undeadness' of their society. Necromancy has become the main source of power, both physical and political, in the Iron Empire. And so, as much as the Empire claims to be at war with other factions to get a technology that would give them back fertility and life, most of the people in power don't want to let go of the amazing power and control that necromancy has given them.
The story of Nertha is a tragic one, yet also, it is a story of hope.
Being of noble lineage, Nertha died during the exile while she was pregnant. Brought back from death, she is now fated to forever be a soon-to-be mother who will never give life.
When she awoke to her new un-life, Nertha was in a state of shock for many months. When she recovered her sanity, her life in the high arcanes of power made her a direct witness to the unwillingness of the priesthood and of many political figures to break away from 'undead-ness' and bring back the hope of a real life in the Empire.
So Nertha has taken it upon herself to find the secret of true resurrection, or anything that could heal her people.
To do this, she has chosen to become a priestess in order to gain access to the Aegyptyian mazes and learn the secrets the priesthood is keeping. She's also undertaken many solo journeys to attempt to uncover details of rumours that are whispered about true resurrection.
No one knows exactly what she's learned and whether she plans to eventually overthrow the priesthood's hold on the people...
Her furtive, ghostly appearances on the battlefield and the miracles she has accomplished have made her a true legend and, for some even, a living goddess. And many pray for her visit as she has been said to be able to hold back Death Herself...
Free Upgrade unlocked
In the meantime, several miniatures got Free Upgrades when we passed the $535,000 mark:
Mimi the Radio gets an alternate head with a funky afro and an extra right hand with a machette,
Karmina Noxx get one extra alternate head without a hood,
Keela Krupps gets one extra alternate head (without a helmet) and a left hand holding an energy rifle.
In the image below, we've put together all the Heroines that have already been upgraded, as a visual reference.
I for one find the IE Freedom mini extremely enticing. It brings a very nice element to the whole society, plus it captures pregnancy very justly.
And that Kurgan Mecha has just saved the day. It might even get me to splurge on multi-wave shipping. Well that and I'm back with my friend for pledging.
What a fething schizophrenic campaign. I guess I'll wait until the nth hour top modify my pledge.
Well, to add to the insanity we still have the regular stuff unlocked as and when RH decide it's time to do so. They've just posted in the comments saying that the bikes should be later on today, which would leave one heroine before everything initially shown is unlocked.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hmm, looking at the pledge numbers over the past 12 hours, there seems to have been a big jump (~2-3k in a minute or so) about 7 hours ago and then it's remained fairly flat since then. Lots of 'last minute' changes going on, I guess.
RH have updated the front page with the new SG list, they just need to get some art / details for the next few up to coincide with the 48 hour warning emails that will be going out soon. Along with all the other stuff that they still need to do, of course.
Damn! Here I was thinking I could avoid spending on any of the big things when the Kurganova mech comes out of left field and demands my attention... there goes my beer money. Trike's kind of cool too. Now to balance this and Cthulhu Wars somehow...
We are now entering the last straight line of this Kickstarter. It has been pretty hectic on our end, preparing the uber-stretch goals. So much so that we haven't properly had the time to assemble the unlock images for the last remaining motor bikes. But you can consider them unlocked, and we will show them later today
The Kurganova Trike
We've also focused on developing the werewolves and the trikes.
Just to give you a feel of what's to come, here's an image of the first trike, the one for the Kurganova army. It is designed to integrate seamlessly with Kurganovas' regular motor bikes, but it packs way more fire power! It will unlock at $580,000.
Spoiler:
Upcoming Freebee
Here is also the next Freebee, unlocking at $565,000, which is a one-of-a-kind spotter for the Jailbird Division.
She's nicknamed Lucky Lucy, because no matter what she does or how obvious she stands on the field, no bullet has ever so much as grazed her... Lucy just won't take cover, no matter what. And luck just follows her, no matter what. Just lucky, I guess...
Spoiler:
The Jet Girls
One last thing. You'll notice that the Jet Girls unit stretch goal (at $555,000) does not really have a concept art, just some silhouettes. We are really sorry about this...
Our concept artist is currently finishing the werewolves, and his last night's sleep has only been a 2-hour stretch.
Since the Jet Girls will be made of a slightly toned down version of Drusilla with various poses, I'm sure you'll agree that it made more sense to let him focus on the beastly werewolves
Spoiler:
Automatically Appended Next Post: I quite like the trike, though it all depends on what the JB version looks like (assuming we make it that far)
As for not having images of the bike unlocks ready to show, I find that a little odd given how much prep time they've had.
Here is the last Mecha of this Kickstarter.
For the Kurganovas' Mecha, we decided to stay with a more regular walker style.
We felt that it better matched the technical swiftness of the Kurganovas' machinery. We also wanted to include an art deco/diesel punk vibe which is one of the visual theme we'll continue to explore for this army.
Fiiiiiinally, a mech that actually looks like it might have some function.
Nice how it looks like part old style car and walker with multiple weapons! but all of them beg armored compartments be added on.
Curious, because I'm not familiar with Kickstarters. I've seen (in this one, obviously) rewards added to the higher pledge levels, to encourage upgrading.
Do they ever add incentives to the first X number of backers, in order to keep people from withdrawing their pledge?
Jimsolo wrote: Curious, because I'm not familiar with Kickstarters. I've seen (in this one, obviously) rewards added to the higher pledge levels, to encourage upgrading.
Do they ever add incentives to the first X number of backers, in order to keep people from withdrawing their pledge?
Typically, they choose a "sweet spot" which is a reasonable price range for causal backers - typically between $100-150 before early bird deals. That level then tends to get quite a lot of extras piled onto it over the course of the campaign which in turn draws in lots of people who would otherwise be sitting on the fence.
Add-ons are what get people to add additional funding beyond the original, along with 2x or 3x "sweet spot" pledge levels.
That was always kind of my thinking on it. With the exception of 'prophetic cops,' (Minority Report) and 'humans as batteries,' (The Matrix) mechs always seemed like the most absurd idea in science fiction. I mean, I'm willing to go with it for the sake of an entertaining story or game, but I think that expecting realism from mechs is a little like expecting my cats to serve my guests drinks.
Jimsolo wrote: Curious, because I'm not familiar with Kickstarters. I've seen (in this one, obviously) rewards added to the higher pledge levels, to encourage upgrading.
Do they ever add incentives to the first X number of backers, in order to keep people from withdrawing their pledge?
Typically, they choose a "sweet spot" which is a reasonable price range for causal backers - typically between $100-150 before early bird deals. That level then tends to get quite a lot of extras piled onto it over the course of the campaign which in turn draws in lots of people who would otherwise be sitting on the fence.
Add-ons are what get people to add additional funding beyond the original, along with 2x or 3x "sweet spot" pledge levels.
Azazelx wrote: Eight bucks each for the mascots? Holy gak.
Prices on the others sounds quite reasonable.
I suspect it's because they won't be making the pets after the KS (the previous version of the bulldog was a limited anyway), so there's a degree of LE pricing (although with the size of the KS they won't be too limited)
I wonder if they will explain it as an armored grill, LOL! and like a GW Sentinel in close combat it will have to kick it's opponents like an ostrich! LMAO! But woe to targets caught in the guns fire.
Jimsolo wrote: Curious, because I'm not familiar with Kickstarters. I've seen (in this one, obviously) rewards added to the higher pledge levels, to encourage upgrading.
Do they ever add incentives to the first X number of backers, in order to keep people from withdrawing their pledge?
Mascots and others are added as freebies to all pledge levels Lieutenant upward, All Infantry sets got upgraded with more heads, weapons etc.
kendoka wrote: Upped my plea to $250 (and lost my early bird Lieutenant special price in the process?) to be able to buy the characters and mecha I wanted.
Had plans to do this with the plea manager - but thought I would help out with this KS reaching the monetary goals.
Yeah, if you increase to a different pledge level you lose the EB perk, unless you can grab an EB at the newer level.
Probably good that you've done it now, as they've not fully confirmed that we'll be able to add post KS. Even if we can, it wouldn't count towards SGs anyway.
kendoka wrote: Upped my plea to $250 (and lost my early bird Lieutenant special price in the process?) to be able to buy the characters and mecha I wanted.
Had plans to do this with the plea manager - but thought I would help out with this KS reaching the monetary goals.
Yeah, if you increase to a different pledge level you lose the EB perk, unless you can grab an EB at the newer level.
Probably good that you've done it now, as they've not fully confirmed that we'll be able to add post KS. Even if we can, it wouldn't count towards SGs anyway.
So, if I have an EB lieutenant slot, but add on to take my total pledge to be above the commander level, I don't get the extra $10 mini that commander gives? But with my EB lieutenant I save $11, so I'm saving a total of $1?
So, if I have an EB lieutenant slot, but add on to take my total pledge to be above the commander level, I don't get the extra $10 mini that commander gives? But with my EB lieutenant I save $11, so I'm saving a total of $1?
Yes, if you increase your EB LT above the commander level, but don't increase your chosen reward level, then you'd save $1. Unless, you can snag an EN Commander to increase the saving.
Im thinking of jumping back in at the LT level, the freebies and the KS exclusive miniature are too much to pass up. (plus the $150 in minis you get is almost enough to get the entire Iron Empire Heroine range).
If I could only come up with the $700 needed for the Connoisseur level :(
Yeh, think that's right. Or is it? My EB lieutenant ($154) gives me $150 worth, plus I add on $135 for the rest that I want and postage. So $289 for $265 worth of minis and postage.
If I dropped this EB and and took full price commander, I'd get $240 worth of minis for $245, add on $45 for the $25 extra minis i want and $20 postage and this would give me $265 worth of minis, plus postage for $290.
alanmckenzie - so what you're saying is... even with the freebies and everything I'd be better off just waiting for them to hit retail and buy them at the standard 20% discount?
alanmckenzie wrote: Yeh, think that's right. Or is it? My EB lieutenant ($154) gives me $150 worth, plus I add on $135 for the rest that I want and postage. So $289 for $265 worth of minis and postage.
If I dropped this EB and and took full price commander, I'd get $240 worth of minis for $245, add on $45 for the $25 extra minis i want and $20 postage and this would give me $265 worth of minis, plus postage for $290.
Yup, saving a buck.
Saving a buck is saving a buck though. It's about 60p, so you can probably buy a kitkat or something with your savings
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chaos0xomega wrote: alanmckenzie - so what you're saying is... even with the freebies and everything I'd be better off just waiting for them to hit retail and buy them at the standard 20% discount?
Best thing to do would be look at the unofficial pledge manager at http://www.skykadia.com/raging_heroes/tgg/ and run through some numbers. That'll give you the rough discount as well. In many cases, it's better than 20%, though you do need to factor in shipping and the freebies.
Actually, just put one of my intended pledge rewards through (infantry/inf command/artillery on 230EB) and came out with a discount of just over 50%, was around 30% before the freebies were assigned a $value.
chaos0xomega wrote: alanmckenzie - so what you're saying is... even with the freebies and everything I'd be better off just waiting for them to hit retail and buy them at the standard 20% discount?
That wasn't what I was sayin at all (I was saying that my EB is saving me a dollar), but if you think you can do better than these prices at retail, then go for it.
And you're quite right prankster, 60p is 60p. Although I'm not sure kitkats are 60p anymore.
Question: What format do you thing the Digital Art Book will be in? I'm thinking it wouldn't be completely out of the question to send it out to "self-publish" a hard-cover coffee table book for myself with the file... >.>
I'm tempted to grab a second lieutenant box, although paying double shipping is somewhat frustrating. Really not sure if I'd really use the extra $150 of selections though.
chaos0xomega wrote: Question: What format do you thing the Digital Art Book will be in? I'm thinking it wouldn't be completely out of the question to send it out to "self-publish" a hard-cover coffee table book for myself with the file... >.>
That's a cool idea. Don't know much about printing one-off glossy hardbacks or anything, but if they gave you that option to take it on yourself if you wished, that'd be kinda cool. Obviously it'd be cooler if they'd just make it a hardback to begin with, but I understand there would be a cost implication.
Well, I for one would throw them an extra $50 if they made it an add-on, sadly they seem to only be interested in releasing it as a limited edition item to drive up its value and thus try to grab more money out of my pocket.
I think the best way to answer that is to share a conversation we had on Facebook a couple of days ago:
Question: “Dunno if this has been answered - You say you will email people once the KS is over asking for what models they want to spend their pledge on - will we get to see all the models in 3d sculpt/3d print or even in resin/metal cast BEFORE choosing?
I ask because with several of the concepts its hard to visualize the end product.”
Asharah Raging: “Well, production will happen over several months, so it is unlikely that all the models will be available to be shown in 3D or cast before the survey is sent...”
Question: “So we will have to spend our pledge based on the concept sketches for some of the characters/troops/mechs etc? Just asking because I know I, personally, am on the fence about several heroines and the mecha until I see how they look in 3D. After the unveil of the Kurg heavy troops, too, there was a lot of mixed opinion on the transition from concept to sculpt. People will be pretty hacked off if they spend their pledge on a concept then the print is subtly different to the point they don't like it” Asharah Raging: “I'm not sure what to tell you. Compared to most other companies, our sculpts are very very very close to the concepts. But there will always be subtle changes to make sure that the models are castable and not too fragile. And please remember that we showed the models of the Troops BEFORE THEY WERE FINISHED. We will make sure NEVER to do that again. We did that mainly because of scale issues on which we wanted people's feedback. This means that these renders were shown mostly to help us get a better feel for what the backers were looking for in terms of proportions and scale, and some details were clearly stated to be unfinished. We were VERY clear about that, but nevertheless, many people did not bother to read the comments, drew many mistaken conclusions about these images, and shared them with everyone.
To be able to produce such a large quantity of sculpt at the same time, we have a very specific workflow.
One of its particularities is that we do not develop each sculpt individually and one after the other.
Instead, we work on large sections of the product range all at once.
So, when we write that “80% of the sculpting process is done”, it means precisely that: 80% of the sculpting work that is required to send the minis to 3D printing is done.
It does not mean that 80% of the sculpts are done. One person put it this way: "100% of the minis are 80% ready”, and that's a good way to summarise it.
As we already explained in this update on 'One-Shot Blondie, from concept to 3D print', we revise a sculpt MANY times before we send it to print. This is what ENSURES the quality of the Raging Heroes sculpts.
In a project like the TGG Kickstarter, it is also crucial that we take the time to review and compare all the sculpts against each other before we finalize them to guarantee the overall integrity and continuity of the range.
"So yes, we could show you some sculpts that are 80% done. But our previous experience has confirmed to us that this is not the right thing to do. We've already shared the Heroine 3D renders that we feel are very representative of what the 3 armies will look like.
If you don't feel confident about the final product, then I can certainly understand that, and you should perhaps not take the chance to be unhappy down the road. I know that most people that have seen our work trust us to get it right, and most of the time, they actually often find the actual casts BETTER than what they had anticipated from the final 3D renders!
And also, sometimes, there may be a few concepts that we think we can actually improve upon when we sculpt them, for example, Yoko and Dr von X....
But again, that is entirely up to you and we certainly won't hold it against you if you don't want to pledge for certain things.
I hope that helps...”
Reply: “Yes and no. What I'd ask then is if people can change their pledge spending or only spend a little of it at a time. What I mean by that is could someone for example, when the first survey comes out asking what you spend your pledge on, only tell you which of the FIRST WAVE models they want, and assign the rest later?”
Asharah Raging: "Sure!" That's a very fair request and we will be working to implement a pledge management that will allow this.
If you are already familiar with Raging Heroes, you know that every time we have a new release, we put the 3D renders on our blog and ask people for feedback. Every time, this allows us to correct minor details so that everyone is happiest with the sculpt.
We will of course work in the same manner for the TGG minis. Our goal is not to trap you with minis you wouldn't like, but on the contrary, to bring you the best possible characters and troops. (And it's a lot saner, in our opinion, to do that outside of the Kickstarter madness.) So, please be assured that you'll be able to voice your comments and concerns at that stage, and that we will listen to them.
The opening video
Also, one more thing, for those who may have missed it: in the opening video, ALL the characters are 3D renders (except for the bunch of concept art towards the end). This mean that they are the actual sculpts (although, again, some of them are still work-in-progress). Did you know that?
And so we wonder: What did you think of the video? (And we don't mean the boring part where we talk about the project, of course...)
Quite frankly, we were quite surprised not to see any comments about it anywhere, and so we'd love your feedback on it.
And also, just thinking out loud...Do you think it could be an inspiration for a 3D animated series?
Lol. So they really are saying 100% of sculpts are 80% done. Also that they made a mistake showing unfinished troops, never to be repeated, but they wanted feedback... bit of a contradiction there.
And just like that, they lost me. Not that my dropped pledge will be a big loss, but at this stage I'd rather wait until the store has is it on sale and see the models for myself then.
Could one of the heralds pass a question/request onto the RH team? Given that we're not going to see any further renders before the end of the KS for 'reasons' is there a chance we can see at least the concept art for the heavy weapons in the trooper command boxes before the end of the KS?
cincydooley wrote: I have to be honest...that last update kinda shocked me. I'm blown away that they think it's okay to not provide ANY sculpts.... wow...
I see your point, and I also see theirs, however poorly expressed. I'm thinking there's some language issues and some misunderstanding of tone that lead to that last update.
Still, I'm comfortable enough to keep my Commander. I like the renders/prints we've seen thus far, and I'm willing to bet that we'll see equivalent work after the kickstarter ends.
I'm pretty sure they'll deliver some pretty sweet modells and I do not fear any major disconnections between the art and the final result.
BUT...
I'd like to have loads of free stuff and I fear that their attitude and lag of pictures is making it harder and harder for people to pump even more money into the project.
cincydooley wrote: I have to be honest...that last update kinda shocked me. I'm blown away that they think it's okay to not provide ANY sculpts.... wow...
I see your point, and I also see theirs, however poorly expressed. I'm thinking there's some language issues and some misunderstanding of tone that lead to that last update.
Still, I'm comfortable enough to keep my Commander. I like the renders/prints we've seen thus far, and I'm willing to bet that we'll see equivalent work after the kickstarter ends.
Since it sounds like you're in it for the long haul, are you concerned at all about their ability to deliver things in a reasonably timely fashion? We've seen from other, more established companies (CMoN and Reaper) that production delays can and do happen, and those two really have their gak together. I have to admit I feel like this one is akin to the Avatars of War indie go go campaign, in that stuff will miss deadlines badly with an overall nonchalance of the creators driving that lack of timeliness.
@R Naysmith: " ... we won't even get to see renders before they send out the surveys which will lock-in our choices..."
Just want you to know that your choices will NOT be locked-in. You will make your final choices once the sculpts are finalised. As mentioned earlier, we never want our pledgers and future customers unhappy with our minis.
At $545,000, a Free Upgrade was unlocked for 3 Heroines:
Commander Irina Vega, Orbital Strike Commander (KST), gets 1 extra arm (pointing away) and 1 extra head
Doctor von X, Field Medic (IE), gets 1 extra head (unmasked) and 1 extra right arm. Her unmasked head will look very much like this one.
Aaqila Noyakin, Heavy Gunner (KST), gets 1 extra weapon (heavy gun) and 1 extra head. (I've added her image below as I don't believe it's been shown in the course of this Kickstarter.)
At $555,000, the first Uber-Stretch Goal has been reached!
YES!!! The Jet Girls Unit will now be put in production!!!
As mentioned earlier, the Jet Girls illustration are just some silhouettes. We are really sorry about this... Our concept artist is currently finishing the werewolves, and his last night's sleep has only been a 2-hour stretch. Since the Jet Girls will be made of a slightly toned down version of Drusilla with various poses, I'm sure you'll agree that it made more sense to let him focus on the beastly werewolves At $560,000, the Free upgrade will unlock the following:
Ludmilla Magdanova, Strategist (KST), gets 1 extra weapon (pistol) and 1 extra head
Lady von Stroheim (IE), gets 1 extra weapon (pistol) and 1 extra head (without helmet)
Arthemesia Rozenkrantz, Strategist (IE), gets 1 extra right arm with close combat weapon (sword) and 1 extra head
Upcoming Freebie at $590,000
During this Kickstarter, we have received many requests for more Cyberzombies. Therefore, in addition to eventually making a full unit of them if the $700,000 Uber-Stretch Goal is reached), we decided to add one as a Freebie Stretch Goal.
So here is W101, who will be unlocked as a Freebie at $590,000 for free to all Lieutenant Box Pledges and above.
I feel the communication side is grossly mismanaged from their side, language barriers, small crew, tough campaign for novices, all take their toll, in any case I still feel confident they will deliver.
Since it sounds like you're in it for the long haul, are you concerned at all about their ability to deliver things in a reasonably timely fashion? We've seen from other, more established companies (CMoN and Reaper) that production delays can and do happen, and those two really have their gak together. I have to admit I feel like this one is akin to the Avatars of War indie go go campaign, in that stuff will miss deadlines badly with an overall nonchalance of the creators driving that lack of timeliness.
cincydooley wrote: I have to be honest...that last update kinda shocked me. I'm blown away that they think it's okay to not provide ANY sculpts.... wow...
I see your point, and I also see theirs, however poorly expressed. I'm thinking there's some language issues and some misunderstanding of tone that lead to that last update.
Still, I'm comfortable enough to keep my Commander. I like the renders/prints we've seen thus far, and I'm willing to bet that we'll see equivalent work after the kickstarter ends.
Since it sounds like you're in it for the long haul, are you concerned at all about their ability to deliver things in a reasonably timely fashion? We've seen from other, more established companies (CMoN and Reaper) that production delays can and do happen, and those two really have their gak together. I have to admit I feel like this one is akin to the Avatars of War indie go go campaign, in that stuff will miss deadlines badly with an overall nonchalance of the creators driving that lack of timeliness.
At this point I am expecting it to be at least a year before everything is out.
I'm sorry but I have to go a smidge off-topic, having a 6 month delay and only telling people 2 weeks before the ship date is not having their act together. Especially when CMoN is continuing to start new projects with several more currently in production.
I would let your view of CMoN slide if they had quit starting new projects and told the other ones that were started after Relic Knights that there could be a delay. Currently CMoN seems to be between Reaper and AoW, they try to be prepared and act as a top of the line production but if they have something go wrong they act as if it were nothing and ignore the image they give customers.
Back twards on-topic Dreamforge is a better example, great concept, the KS exploded but they had a great contingency plan, they were as close to 100% prepared as possible and are still experiencing big delays.
cincydooley wrote: I have to be honest...that last update kinda shocked me. I'm blown away that they think it's okay to not provide ANY sculpts.... wow...
I see your point, and I also see theirs, however poorly expressed. I'm thinking there's some language issues and some misunderstanding of tone that lead to that last update.
Still, I'm comfortable enough to keep my Commander. I like the renders/prints we've seen thus far, and I'm willing to bet that we'll see equivalent work after the kickstarter ends.
Since it sounds like you're in it for the long haul, are you concerned at all about their ability to deliver things in a reasonably timely fashion? We've seen from other, more established companies (CMoN and Reaper) that production delays can and do happen, and those two really have their gak together. I have to admit I feel like this one is akin to the Avatars of War indie go go campaign, in that stuff will miss deadlines badly with an overall nonchalance of the creators driving that lack of timeliness.
At this point I am expecting it to be at least a year before everything is out.
I'm sorry but I have to go a smidge off-topic, having a 6 month delay and only telling people 2 weeks before the ship date is not having their act together. Especially when CMoN is continuing to start new projects with several more currently in production.
I would let your view of CMoN slide if they had quit starting new projects and told the other ones that were started after Relic Knights that there could be a delay. Currently CMoN seems to be between Reaper and AoW, they try to be prepared and act as a top of the line production but if they have something go wrong they act as if it were nothing and ignore the image they give customers.
Back twards on-topic Dreamforge is a better example, great concept, the KS exploded but they had a great contingency plan, they were as close to 100% prepared as possible and are still experiencing big delays.
Zombicide S1 shipped on time. Guilds of Cadwallon Shipped early. Zombicide S2 is scheduled to ship early. Rivet Wars is still on time.
I think that its important to look at those four projects at the same time that you look at Sedition Wars and Relic Knights and ask yourself how much weight you should REALLY put on CMoN and how much responsibility you should heap onto Studio McVey and Soda Pop. Guilds of Cadwallon was the only 100% CMoN internally produced KS. It arrived early. Everything else has been developed by other, lets call them 2nd party, companies with CMoN simply acting as the producer. If the development companies don't get things like renders, greens, etc. in by deadlines, there's not terribly much CMoN can do. Again, I simply think that's important to remember.
And I can speak for the language barrier. It's also a cultural barrier. I get fed this gak all the time.
And if I can be so bold as to say that there wasn't even a single render of ANY Kurganova Heroines shown, as well as a single IE mini. That video is therefore very unhelpful.
Kalashnikov: if they want comments on the video, I'll throw in my 2 cents. The intro was too long, and focused on things entirely unrelated to the product. The shaky-cam shots and dynamic 360s are not helpful when trying to show a sculpt. Had I not known for months they were making minis, I'd have thought it was for an computer-animated series. If they spent months on the video, then the delays should be phenomenal. Back in the days of Final Cut Pro, you could bang that out in two days. No comments: we're not impressed.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Sorry if that came across as aggressive, but their attitude has got me in a bunch today.
Asharah Raging: “I'm not sure what to tell you. Compared to most other companies, our sculpts are very very very close to the concepts. But there will always be subtle changes to make sure that the models are castable and not too fragile. And please remember that we showed the models of the Troops BEFORE THEY WERE FINISHED. We will make sure NEVER to do that again. We did that mainly because of scale issues on which we wanted people's feedback. This means that these renders were shown mostly to help us get a better feel for what the backers were looking for in terms of proportions and scale, and some details were clearly stated to be unfinished. We were VERY clear about that, but nevertheless, many people did not bother to read the comments, drew many mistaken conclusions about these images, and shared them with everyone.
This is just borderline insulting.
Plenty of campaigns have shown work in progress renders and it has only enhanced their campaigns, in fact (as I pointed out in the comments,) here is one from KD:M at roughly the same time before the end of the campaign. Notice that is very clearly is un-posed and unfinished and labeled "work in progress". One can only imagine it was the beneficence of the unspeakable gods Poots is in thrall to that spared him from backers that did "not bother to read the comments, drew many mistaken conclusions about these images, and shared them with everyone".
Alpharius wrote:Quick question - Does anyone know who all of the "Raging Heralds" are here on Dakka Dakka, in this thread?
For the record, I am not a herald.
cincydooley wrote: I have to admit I feel like this one is akin to the Avatars of War indie go go campaign, in that stuff will miss deadlines badly with an overall nonchalance of the creators driving that lack of timeliness.
Avatars of War has proven before the indiegogo campaign that they hardly deliver what they promise, everyone was warned by the Chaos Warriors.
Raging Heroes has proven to always deliver what they promise, but possibly one or two months late. BTW they contacted the casters first for their schedule, that is one reason why RH started the kickstarter late: All casters were booked by other kickstarters and no chance to deliver the product in a timely fashion with an earlier kickstarter start.
So...Raging Heroes has proven that they can be "a month or two" late for a regular release? For their normal releases.
Now they have 2400 people that are giving them money, and we're supposed to expect that it's ONLY going to be "a month or two" late? That's an awful leap of faith.
They've also proven that their interaction with their customers and any criticisms is horrible. What happens when they release a miniature that no one likes? I mean, we know we're no longer going to see any of them before hand. They made it pretty clear of that.
I'm dumping my pledge. I have one of the EB lieutenants. If anyone is interested in it, PM me and I'll let you know when I dump it so you can hop on it.
I have to agree with the above AOW have a real issue with delivering and communication, most delays in these Kickstarters are down to the promised deadlines provided by the 2nd party.
If they fall behind there is nothing that the company can do, there is no way of speeding up the production by intervening just hope they pick up the slack.
Mark has had the same issue with his DreamForge Kickstarter due to time delays from his manufactures , there is nothing he can do but wait for them to catch up and take the wrath from the backers.
cincydooley wrote: So...Raging Heroes has proven that they can be "a month or two" late for a regular release? For their normal releases.
Now they have 2400 people that are giving them money, and we're supposed to expect that it's ONLY going to be "a month or two" late? That's an awful leap of faith.
They've also proven that their interaction with their customers and any criticisms is horrible. What happens when they release a miniature that no one likes? I mean, we know we're no longer going to see any of them before hand. They made it pretty clear of that.
I'm dumping my pledge. I have one of the EB lieutenants. If anyone is interested in it, PM me and I'll let you know when I dump it so you can hop on it.
1.) I am a RH customer since their first miniature, the first edition Ashara. I found their interaction with customers and reaction to feedback excellent in all those years. Delivery was often delayed, but the products always excellent.
2.) Kickstarters that are not just hidden preorders but made to expand a business, can't be planned to the second. Also many kickstarters don't show renders, or even prints, see Mantic or Warzone. That's normal for kickstarters. Kickstarters are not for the weak at heart.
3.) They just said that you get renders before finalizing your order, but after kickstarter.
4.) RH managed some big orders before, e.g. Blood Vestals: http://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news/6013976-blood-vestals-theyre-here 5.) Haven't pledged yet, but I would be interested in an EB Lieutenant.
Sangarn wrote: as all those insult against us french omg, grow up a little please.
Well, at least you have the pleasure of seeing some Germans here in this thread defend French manners
Anyway, here the current graph of pledges, with the typical upswing towards the end.
Here's an interesting thought exercise: in the various posts complaining about RH, replace all references to Raging Heroes with Games Workshop instead. And remember how much money many of us continue to give to GW for no freebies, absurdly high prices, no communication, no advance information, bad sculpts, etc.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Here's an interesting thought exercise: in the various posts complaining about RH, replace all references to Raging Heroes with Games Workshop instead. And remember how much money many of us continue to give to GW for no freebies, absurdly high prices, no communication, no advance information, bad sculpts, etc.
Well, I've never bought a GW figure without seeing it first either.
1.) I am a RH customer since their first miniature, the first edition Ashara. I found their interaction with customers and reaction to feedback excellent in all those years. Delivery was often delayed, but the products always excellent.
2.) Kickstarters that are not just hidden preorders but made to expand a business, can't be planned to the second. Also many kickstarters don't show renders, or even prints, see Mantic or Warzone. That's normal for kickstarters. Kickstarters are not for the weak at heart.
3.) They just said that you get renders before finalizing your order, but after kickstarter.
4.) RH managed some big orders before, e.g. Blood Vestals: http://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news/6013976-blood-vestals-theyre-here 5.) Haven't pledged yet, but I would be interested in an EB Lieutenant.
QFT(and i am not talking about quantum field theory, for once)
I can attest to an excellent customer service of Raging Heroes. My inquiries were always answered quickly and in a very friendly manner, and they did indeed solve the problems back then.
also are the models resin or metal - I couldn't see any info on this thread or on the site which said which were which apart form the new Conniseur pledge level that they are all resin?
Azazelx wrote: Spin-cast resin = "resin plastic" - ie "restic" - similar/the same as Privateer Press & Mantic's "plastic"
The company that does Mantic and Privateer do not spin cast resin, they injection mould it, I have had direct dealing with them regarding casting my own line.
The only companies I know of doing spin cast resin are Defiance and Troll Forged, there may be others.
Fair enough. In that case we don't really know what the troops will be made of. I don't believe I've seen an "official" post from RH stating their exact material type.
I don't want to put anyone off who really just believes in RH... But just go in knowing a year past what is predicted is not out of the realm of possibility... based on what we've seen of them with single releases, and all the extra challenges that a huge campaign adds, as we've seen with other companies (for example, Dreamforge). Just go in with your eyes open! If you believe and don't mind the delay that is nearly inevitable, pledge. If you'll be unhappy with that, don't. It makes all the difference... I'm still happy to wait on Dreamforge, for instance.
RiTides wrote: I don't want to put anyone off who really just believes in RH... But just go in knowing a year past what is predicted is not out of the realm of possibility...
Possible but highly unlikely. Thanks for your concern though.
They've been late before, but one year late?
LnR wrote:- We have set up a quite late delivery date for pledges that has plenty of room for unexpected issues that may come up in the casting and shipping process.
- We are currently expanding our team to have staff dedicated to the packing and shipping logistics.
- We have been growing our team of freelancers to stay on top of our sculpting schedule.
Kroothawk wrote: BTW they contacted the casters first for their schedule, that is one reason why RH started the kickstarter late: All casters were booked by other kickstarters and no chance to deliver the product in a timely fashion with an earlier kickstarter start.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Aye, I've got a couple a year old and rising, I'm in no rush. Just means I have more time to paint my other armies.
Yep, I think that's the right attitude it's certainly how I'm approaching kickstarters these days!
Minx- Having backed a dozen projects so far and not one of them being on-time, with the higher the pledge total the later the campaign being, yes that is without a doubt my prediction. Hoping to be wrong, of course... but imo people should go in with the mindset of late 2014 / early 2015, rather than early 2014.
If you go in expecting that, you can be pleasantly surprised . The reverse only leads to gnashing of teeth...
RiTides wrote: Minx- Having backed a dozen projects so far and not one of them being on-time, with the higher the pledge total the later the campaign being, yes that is without a doubt my prediction. Hoping to be wrong, of course... but imo people should go in with the mindset of late 2014 / early 2015, rather than early 2014.
Of course some delays are to be expected. And since we have to wait eight month until the foreseen delivery date i don't mind another half a year or so. But twelve month out? I believe they'll manage better
These other kickstarter projects, how much time have they allowed themselves with their initial delivery date?
Edit: And i am finally in with the opening of an early bird.
They will be made in high quality spin-cast resin.
Note: These Add-Ons, as their name imply, can only be added on top of your current pledge amount. That is, you cannot spend your pledge's worth on them. You have to increase your pledge to get them.
Kroothawk wrote: ...
1.) I am a RH customer since their first miniature, the first edition Ashara. I found their interaction with customers and reaction to feedback excellent in all those years. Delivery was often delayed, but the products always excellent.
That's great for all those years. But for those of us that haven't been customers from their first miniature our only interactions have been through this KS. And for us, they haven't exactly done much to endear themselves.
2.) Kickstarters that are not just hidden preorders but made to expand a business, can't be planned to the second. Also many kickstarters don't show renders, or even prints, see Mantic or Warzone. That's normal for kickstarters. Kickstarters are not for the weak at heart.
Why can't they be? They can absolutely be well planned down to the most minute detail. And they espoused that they had been planning for "months". So much so that they delayed the launch. The KS does not reflect that.
3.) They just said that you get renders before finalizing your order, but after kickstarter.
I'm probably pointing out the obvious here, but that was ONE unit of 5 models. And it was late by what, two months? That's not a "big order" especially in comparison to this. Extrapolate that out to 10+ units of 5 models and 30ish single models and I think it's reasonable to believe they'll be later than just 2 months.
I mean, it surprises me how non-chalant some of you seem to be at the prospect of them being considerably late. IMO that shouldn't be "okay," and as "investors" you should expect more and hold them accountable. Do delays and eff ups happen? Sure, and we've seen a ton with Sedtion Wars whom, despite all the delays and unexpected eff ups, weren't selling us the notion that they'd be late. I guess I don't get it.
cincydooley wrote: I mean, it surprises me how non-chalant some of you seem to be at the prospect of them being considerably late. IMO that shouldn't be "okay," and as "investors" you should expect more and hold them accountable. Do delays and eff ups happen? Sure, and we've seen a ton with Sedtion Wars whom, despite all the delays and unexpected eff ups, weren't selling us the notion that they'd be late. I guess I don't get it.
"Expect more?" What more should I expect? I am being told, upfront, that not all of the renders are ready to be seen and that it will take a considerable amount of time to deliver this product. I have reviewed the concept art and the renders that have been shown, I have decided that I like what I see, I trust RH to deliver on the promise of the art, and that the nearly 40% discount I get at my current pledge level (calculated with the pledge calculator), is enough to settle any qualms I might have about something as minor as delivery time.
Then again, as I've stated before, my Kickstarter experience is probably significantly different from most of the other posters here, as I have also backed many nongaming projects. Waiting a long time for delivery of a product that barely even has a functional prototype at the launch of the project is par for the course for me.
I'm probably pointing out the obvious here, but that was ONE unit of 5 models. And it was late by what, two months? That's not a "big order" especially in comparison to this. Extrapolate that out to 10+ units of 5 models and 30ish single models and I think it's reasonable to believe they'll be later than just 2 months.
I mean, it surprises me how non-chalant some of you seem to be at the prospect of them being considerably late. IMO that shouldn't be "okay," and as "investors" you should expect more and hold them accountable. Do delays and eff ups happen? Sure, and we've seen a ton with Sedtion Wars whom, despite all the delays and unexpected eff ups, weren't selling us the notion that they'd be late. I guess I don't get it.
Hell, Blood Vestals? Just think about how long it took for their original Manticore to finally get out.
I'm probably pointing out the obvious here, but that was ONE unit of 5 models. And it was late by what, two months? That's not a "big order" especially in comparison to this. Extrapolate that out to 10+ units of 5 models and 30ish single models...
Fafnir wrote: Hell, Blood Vestals? Just think about how long it took for their original Manticore to finally get out.
This is all I'm trying to say, that it's a huge leap for them, and Kroot as you've pointed out with AoW- people should've known they'd be late based on their track record and the jump they were trying to make. It's reasonable to say something analogous (not identical) here.
Also, I'm local to someone with a first run Ashara model... that was by no means a homerun, the detail was extremely soft. They got the hang of that later, and I've gotten something like 4 manticores from them over time . But as Fafnir mentioned, those were late... as were the blood vestals that you use as an example!
So... for the sake of people's own sanity, they should not expect this in early 2014 imo. For the record, I said "a year past what is predicted is not out of the realm of possibility". Given how much larger of a project this is than any they've undertaken, and how much care they take with their models (a very good thing) and how long it tends to take to get them molded after first seeing previews... And the fact that they've been late even on most of those! Is where my statement is coming from... i.e, not out of left field!
Warning's been said, etc etc, we can move on. For the record, Mierce Miniatures has been delivering brilliantly on their Kickstarter, despites all the warning signs... predicting the outcome of things from the get-go is no science. But the majority of KS projects are late, even by companies with great track records... so it's just something to keep in mind.
We just added a few new images of the trikes and of the Nurse Karoline Freebee before checking out for a few hours of sleep...
We must admit that we're not entirely satisfied by the position of the Jailbird Trike Pilot, but we had to create this artwork so quickly, it could not be helped. Rest assured that we will adjust this on the sculpt by placing the pilot seat a bit lower and less at the back of the trike for a more chopper-like pose and attitude.
Also, regarding the Iron Empire Trike, just to make sure that you understand the picture, the gunner seat is mounted on the right back wheel.
We can also tell you that tonight, we received the rough concepts for the Werewolves another Stretch Goal), and they are killers!!!
PS/ It's been suggested in the Comments thread that we provide magnet spots on artillery, and we replied: “We can try to do that. If it can't be done for some reason, the way we envision the mount, they should actually stay neatly in place once they're slid into position without the need for glue, which would allow you to switch them as you like. But we're keeping the magnet spots in mind.” Thought you'd like to know
Just for the record: July 1st -5th brought 110,000 $ plus 250 new backers. Always unpredictable what the last day of a kickstarter brings. 27 hours to go.
Oh I really really hope we get far enough for a full unit of cyber-zombies, them and the Necro Priestess are what got me to pledge in the first place. Not having ever finished a kickstarter before what happens if you move house in between waves, does a quick email to the people running it tend to sort it?
If you look at the picture at least something is covering her ears, but it raises more the question if her ears do anything as it looks like a giant joint holding those titanium sunglases.
I am not sure if I raise my pledge to get a mix between Kurganovas and Jailbirds or just stick with the Jailbirds. In some cases the Kurganova minatures variant just offer the better concept.
We must admit that we're not entirely satisfied by the position of the Jailbird Trike Pilot, but we had to create this artwork so quickly, it could not be helped. Rest assured that we will adjust this on the sculpt by placing the pilot seat a bit lower and less at the back of the trike for a more chopper-like pose and attitude.
Ignatius-Grulgor wrote: Not having ever finished a kickstarter before what happens if you move house in between waves, does a quick email to the people running it tend to sort it?
I think that should do. Maybe ask them to confirm the address change.
Kroothawk wrote: Just for the record: July 1st -5th brought 110,000 $ plus 250 new backers. Always unpredictable what the last day of a kickstarter brings. 27 hours to go.
Interesting that the 4th to last day was higher than the third and second to last days...
Also, although yesterday's backer total was higher than it's been since near the start of the campaign, it was still only the 7th highest daily backer total of the campaign (the other 6 are in the first week and a half).
RiTides wrote: Interesting that the 4th to last day was higher than the third and second to last days...
Also, although yesterday's backer total was higher than it's been since near the start of the campaign, it was still only the 7th highest daily backer total of the campaign (the other 6 are in the first week and a half).
I know, right?
A lot of the last few days 'big moves' were all those high level pledges getting snapped up, maybe?
I can't wait for Buzzsaw's post mortem on this one - it will undoubtedly be a fascinating read...
RiTides wrote: Interesting that the 4th to last day was higher than the third and second to last days...
Also, although yesterday's backer total was higher than it's been since near the start of the campaign, it was still only the 7th highest daily backer total of the campaign (the other 6 are in the first week and a half).
I know, right?
A lot of the last few days 'big moves' were all those high level pledges getting snapped up, maybe?
I can't wait for Buzzsaw's post mortem on this one - it will undoubtedly be a fascinating read...
You can now use your pledge's worth to choose the Add-Ons.
Originally, these Add-Ons could only be added on top of your current pledge amount, and you could not spend your pledge's worth on them.
So for those of you wondering if you should bump your pledge up to a different pledge level to take advantage of the better value associated with higher Pledge Levels, now's the time!
On Kickstarter, margins are very tight, so we tend to make very prudent calls when we add something new. But seeing your comments, we redid our maths, and we were able to allow you to make the change: you can now use your pledge's worth to grab any add-ons you want, except for the Connoisseur Box add-on.
$570,000 Free upgrade – Now Unlocked!
ALL Mecha pilots get 2 alternate heads.
Click to see the JB Mecha, the KST Mecha, the IE Mecha.
$580,000 Uber-stretchgoal: Kurganovas' Trike – Now Unlocked!
You are now able to pick up the Kurganovas' Trike with your pledge:
$585,000 Free upgrade – Nearly unlocked
ALL riders of Motorbike #1 are getting one extra head and one extra arm.
Click to see all 3 JB bikes, 3 KST bikes, 3 IE bikes.
Erratum
The cost of Vera Krabbenhöft, Army Standard of the Iron Empire, has been corrected and is now aligned with the cost of the other 2 Army Standards, with a Kickstarter value of $15 (estimated retail: $18). It was mistakenly prepared in Photoshop with the wrong pricing; When we caught it, at first, I said I'd let it stand, but the casting costs for the large standard could not be ignored :(
Here's what's left to unlock, with 22 hours to go!
2.) Kickstarters that are not just hidden preorders but made to expand a business, can't be planned to the second. Also many kickstarters don't show renders, or even prints, see Mantic or Warzone. That's normal for kickstarters. Kickstarters are not for the weak at heart.
Not sure what you are talking about here. Warzone had not only concept art and renders, but prints and resin casts during their KS. The KoW campaign I did not pay too much attention to, but both Dreadball and Deadzone by Mantic had concept art, greens, and some renders during the KS.
Also, this (Raging Heroes) is as much a "hidden preorder" as the two you talked about above.
Alpharius wrote: A lot of the last few days 'big moves' were all those high level pledges getting snapped up, maybe?
That's exactly what happened, a lot of the Connoisseur and Eminence pledge levels were gone immediately after they've been unlocked. Mostly by moving from another pledge, which meant even more movement from lower pledge levels to now empty early birds.
Many of you have asked us if they could join up with friends to save on shipping, and have all their pledges shipped to the same address, because there is no Drop Ship retailers nearby.
While this is not possible, we can now offer a great alternative:
If you band up with one or more friends, we will be able to send your pledge rewards in at least 2 waves, possibly more.
So, you and your friends all have to pay for shipping. So, no savings there. BUT, you will be able to receive your part of your rewards EARLIER, thanks to wave shipping.
We will be updating the Drop Ship Retailers list as well in a bit.
Raging Heroes minis painted by James Wappel
He's also painted many Raging Heroes miniatures and we simply had to share some of his work with you.
James has done a lot of work to support our Kickstarter. And in the last few weeks, wile he was also crazy busy working on his painting videos, he also painted MANY of our minis to showcase their potential in time for our launch. Our original plan was to thank James with more exposure during our Kickstarter, but sadly, with all the Kickstarter craziness, we ran out of time to do this properly :(
Once again, thank you so much James for your incredible support!
↑ Admiral Olga Kurganova
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↑ Hildegard von Königsmark
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↑ Blood Vestals Command Group
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↑ The Preying Mantis
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↑ The von Königsmark sisters with Walter, their Renaissance dog
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↑ Hildegard von Königsmark
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↑ Skaryaa, the Blood Mistress
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↑ The Kurganova Sisters
LnR Update #63 wrote:If you band up with one or more friends, we will be able to send your pledge rewards in at least 2 waves, possibly more.
So, you and your friends all have to pay for shipping. So, no savings there. BUT, you will be able to receive your part of your rewards EARLIER, thanks to wave shipping.
That sounds like a good way to have multiple or wave shipments at no extra costs _if_ one can find more people in the vicinity to share the drop off point.
Well it's the juxtaposition of the kinda nightmare hell troopers that is the Iron Empire and the Lulus... which is kinda fethed up queaff? Then again the Lulus in general really bug me in the "creepy" sense.
Cyberzombie W101 has now been unlocked as we passed $590,000.
This means that you now get 11 (ELEVEN!) Freebees for FREE if you've pledged at Lieutenant Box level of above. Do the maths! It's good stuff!
$595,000 Free upgrade – Now unlocked!
Punky, Army Standard (JB) gets 1 extra weapon (Lightning gun)
Major Severina Madsen (IE) gets 1 extra weapon (pistol) and 1 extra head (without helmet)
Snow Ivanka (KST) gets 1 extra weapon (pistol) and 1 extra close combat weapon (shred sword)
Drop Ship Locations Update
We have now updated the Drop Ship Locations Page with 7 new locations in the US, UK, Germany, Russia and France. We will be happy to add new Drop Ship Locations after the Kickstarter, as
Upcoming Stretch Goals Images
Think we can do more??? Let's do it! Here are the Freebies that could yet happen:
$640,000 Freebie: 1 new Lulu, this one too easily distracted by a butterfly...
$675,000 Freebie: Natasha, Com Operator:
$710,000 Freebie: Freya Pain-Sec, Iron Empire Officer.
Just so you know, Pain Sec is a French expression that means dry bread (more precisely, it means leftover dry hardened bread that's that's hardly edible). When someone is said to be "A l'eau et au pain sec" (fed with water and hard dry bread), it's because they are punished or in jail. So we felt that Pain-Sec was a fitting surname for the intimidating and ruthless Freya. It's also a wink at a French comics heroine called Adèle Blanc-Sec (where Blanc-Sec means dry white wine), a bad-tempered investigator.
$720,000 Freebie: Zab the Hacker, Jailbird Cyber Pirate:
And yeah, about to pass yesterday's total with most of the day left to go. Last day should always be one of the biggest, though, so that makes perfect sense.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Suction cup? Doesn't look that way, and neither does the really large knife at the belt... right next to the teddy bear.
Schmapdi wrote: It's not exactly shooting up in the last day - and I never got an answer for the question I sent them - so I guess I'm not pledging at all.
Best of luck in wracking up more freebies to all those who have though!
What was your question? I checked your recent posts here, and you had asked about adding on one of the mascots. That one was answered in a previous update (answer is yes). Or was it a different question you had?
Schmapdi wrote: It's not exactly shooting up in the last day - and I never got an answer for the question I sent them - so I guess I'm not pledging at all.
We passed yesterdays total in 8 hours, we just passed Kicktraq's estimated total, and still 16 hours to go. Not sure what you mean.
Oh - it was related - basically I asked them now that the mascots were addable if I could add the Hippo to the "Private" level pledge and still keep the free shipping.
(With the reasoning that one baby hippo doesn't add much weight, and the hippo + heroine would still be less shipping than the troop box you can also substitute).
I hope we reach 615k mark for the nurse, 675 would be fantastic, Freya is really uninteresting Zab looks good, but looks like a bridge too far at the moment.
Overall I think this should have happened around the middle of the campaign not now.
The "drop ship for two" is great for me. I've been pondering doing 2x lieutenant, and this makes it a much easier decision. The shipping total will be similar whether I do this or a single pledge with wave shipping, similar amount of selections, and doubles of the freebies which should make for some fun conversion fodder or trade bait. $350 is a bit more than I intended on having tied up for a year or so, but not by much.
Alpharius wrote: Where the heck is the typical KS last (two) day(s) massive surge?
This one ends at the very odd time of 8:00AM tomorrow, EST - it better get going!
I am in the extraordinarily uncomfortable position of having developed a fairly cogent and supportable explanation why there isn't a final surge ala KD:M, Deadzone, Etc... and wanting to be mistaken and/or surprised, because I want those frelling Werewolves/Cyberzombies!
Although, speaking of the Werewolves, earlier thoughts that they would be a unit are apparently mistaken (from the comments);
@Jen the Viking: Werewolves will be big pieces, just slightly smaller than a Mecha and larger than Kiki Bulldozer. They will not be soled as a Unit, but as Heroines, as they are actually Were-She-Wolves (don't know if I'm spelling this right...). And as it turns out, it's looking like we will have 4 different models!
Automatically Appended Next Post: And a new update about... how awesome they are? Yay?
With just a few hours left, after unlocking about 50 Heroines and a large number of Troops and Supports, we unveiled a last-minute series of exciting and previously unseen Uber-Stretch Goals and new Add-Ons for their Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter which has now passed $600,000!
So check it out! As one commenter put it:
On top of great models, "there is a richness to this KS (e.g., major story lines and an upcoming game) that takes their craft to the next level.”
And here is a list of pretty incredible facts, from what we've been able to assess by digging through the Kickstarter website:
The Toughest Girls of the Galaxy Kickstarter is the 2nd biggest miniatures-only Kickstarter (that is, miniatures proposed without a game), right behind the legendary Reaper Bones Kickstarter
It is the 12th biggest Kickstarter in the Tabletop Games section
It ranks 40th in the Games Category (which also includes video games!)
So far (and the KS is not yet over), we're in the top 1% of the best-performing Kickstarters (actually, were currently in the top 0.67%)!
And from what we can tell, we're the most successful Kickstarter so far created by a French company!
So hurry up if you don't want to miss what is being hailed as an incredible line of miniatures with a truly inspiring setting/background and at a price you'll never see again.
In case you missed it, here is Nertha, the Faceless Mother, who is also the Iron Empire's Freedom Fighter.
Nertha is available for FREE to Lieutenant Box Pledges and higher, along with at least 10 other Freebees, and probably more before we hit the finish line!
Read her story here.
And meet Zab the Hacker, the last Stretch Goal of the campaign.
Zab the Hacker will be available for FREE to Lieutenant Box Pledges and higher, along with over 10 other Freebees!
Pledge Calculator + Paypal Option
Wondering how to allocate your pledge? Check out the unofficial but very handy Pledge Calculator created by Kenneth Gray. Rumour has it that it's a very effective tool! Kenny is updating regularly, and so even if it's missing a few items, that won't be for long...
Buzzsaw wrote: I am in the extraordinarily uncomfortable position of having developed a fairly cogent and supportable explanation why there isn't a final surge ala KD:M, Deadzone, Etc... and wanting to be mistaken and/or surprised, because I want those frelling Werewolves/Cyberzombies!
I think the main reason we won't see a massive spike like other campaigns, is that most people who wanted in on this one are already in on it, and now we're just seeing the last minute pledge adjustments along with some new pledges. Like I said before, it's a niche product (alt IG/SOB) within an already niche market (wargaming), so it doesn't have anywhere near as big of a potential consumer base as a complete boardgame does.
I'm not sure it's anything to do with the campaign,
even Cthulhu Wars which ends in only a days time is not showing much of a bounce
It could be that people are (finally) starting to back before the end of a KS to help hit stretches,
or more likely it's just a bad idea to end on a weekend just after the 4th July when Americans (who are the group who are most likely to be spending money) are both poor (as they spend money on 4th July celebrations/holidays etc) and are even more likely to not be around than on a normal weekend (when pledges tend to be lower) as they may be on a long weekend and actually away.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Well it's the juxtaposition of the kinda nightmare hell troopers that is the Iron Empire and the Lulus... which is kinda fethed up queaff? Then again the Lulus in general really bug me in the "creepy" sense.
Think that's bad? that lulu looks like a homage to the last scene of All's Quiet on the Western Front.
So.. in the last few hours the "you can get your stuff in waves" option ends up being "only if you can find a local friend to go in with you", they bump a $10 figure to $15, and the "add-ons are ONLY add-ons" thing gets reversed.
/sigh
It's an increase in the last few days, not quite a surge, and definitely not a spike. Several days around the Day2 level isn't a bad thing, though. I don't think (m)any of us expected to see something like DeadZone, as front-loaded as this campaign was.
Funny how two different graphs showing the same information in different ways can give off such different impressions, though.
even Cthulhu Wars which ends in only a days time is not showing much of a bounce
It could be that people are (finally) starting to back before the end of a KS to help hit stretches,
or more likely it's just a bad idea to end on a weekend just after the 4th July when Americans (who are the group who are most likely to be spending money) are both poor (as they spend money on 4th July celebrations/holidays etc) and are even more likely to not be around than on a normal weekend (when pledges tend to be lower) as they may be on a long weekend and actually away.
Who knows anymore?!?
This is the interesting one on Cthulhu Wars:
But then, you know what they say about statistics!
Azazelx wrote: So.. in the last few hours the "you can get your stuff in waves" option ends up being "only if you can find a local friend to go in with you", they bump a $10 figure to $15, and the "add-ons are ONLY add-ons" thing gets reversed.
/sigh
No, you can still get the wave shipping alone, it just incurs an extra cost unlike the option where you share a delivery spot and everyone involved pays the standard shipping fare. It's just an extra option. The $10 banner carrier was a mistake, they corrected it before the end of the KS campaign and anyone not okay with that change has the chance to drop their pledge.
I think we should all just agree to disagree on what a "spike / surge / bump" is and just enjoy the final day. I certainly wish this no ill will, and am very happy that the Kurganova nurse at 615K looks like a shoo-in (one of the better concept art pieces, imo). And the Jailbird trike was just unlocked.
Given the logistics of fulfilling this, it's probably better for it not to completely blow up... currently sitting at 2,500 backers and 605K, that's still somewhat manageable.... somewhat
No, you can still get the wave shipping alone, it just incurs an extra cost unlike the option where you share a delivery spot and everyone involved pays the standard shipping fare. It's just an extra option. The $10 banner carrier was a mistake, they corrected it before the end of the KS campaign and anyone not okay with that change has the chance to drop their pledge.
Ah ok, I misunderstood their update then. Thanks for the clarification.
The banner should have been rectified a couple of weeks ago, rather than this late, as a lot of people will have finalised their pledge by now (or so they thought!) and may not even be around for the finale.
By the by, I don't think this image was poste din an update ('cause, why would you want people to know about your cool stuff? N.B., this is a front page image and will almost certainly break once they update the front page, but it's the "Uber-Stretch Goals");
Mathieu Raymond wrote: I think it's more the 2500 backers than the excess money that could cause problems, honestly.
Agreed, unfortunately :-/
Buzzsaw, I hadn't seen that image, thanks! I'd love to see the full art, rather than just silhouettes, of the werewolves... but I'd be shocked if this made it anywhere close to that (I'm guessing 625 - 630K for an end mark... werewolves are at 665K).
Azazelx wrote: The banner should have been rectified a couple of weeks ago, rather than this late, as a lot of people will have finalised their pledge by now (or so they thought!) and may not even be around for the finale.
You are right, it's cutting it a bit too close. At least the PayPal option will be opened for a short while longer to rectify such problems (and the missing shipping costs).
Alpharius wrote:The Werewolves and the Jetgirls - so much potential awesome...I hope we get there!
RiTides wrote:
Mathieu Raymond wrote: I think it's more the 2500 backers than the excess money that could cause problems, honestly.
Agreed, unfortunately :-/
Buzzsaw, I hadn't seen that image, thanks! I'd love to see the full art, rather than just silhouettes, of the werewolves... but I'd be shocked if this made it anywhere close to that (I'm guessing 625 - 630K for an end mark... werewolves are at 665K).
Just to be clear, the Jetgirls are available (see update #59).
As for how far it goes... I am not confident they will make it to the werewolves (I asked them to put the art into an actual update rather then let it languish on the bottom of the front page), but it is possible.
A more substantial proportion of funding for this campaign then is usual for a KS Campaign seems to be coming from European backers, who have a much greater proportion of Sunday to pledge.
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PsychoticStorm wrote: I still maintain this point should have been in the middle of the campaign, not the end.
No matter how emphatically I may agree with you, I fear it is out of our hands now.
As an aside, damn, those shewolves will be huge! The price surprised me, then I remembered...
@Jen the Viking: Werewolves will be big pieces, just slightly smaller than a Mecha and larger than Kiki Bulldozer. They will not be soled as a Unit, but as Heroines, as they are actually Were-She-Wolves (don't know if I'm spelling this right...). And as it turns out, it's looking like we will have 4 different models!
Slightly smaller then a Mech? Yikes...
I smell a sexy proxy for Warpwolves in my Circle army...
LnR wrote:"... the current line is that you can increase the amount of you pledge via payal for up to a week after the campaign ends..." Yes, that's exacty that.
Raging Heroes do the best monsters, I look forward to purchasing some of the wolves a few years from now.
I really hope they do some research before the next kickstarter and have base factions at the start you then unlock and purchase addons to rather than a jumble of miniatures.
Oh, and include Cthulhu leading an army of tentacled face chicks.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: or more likely it's just a bad idea to end on a weekend just after the 4th July when Americans (who are the group who are most likely to be spending money) are both poor (as they spend money on 4th July celebrations/holidays etc) and are even more likely to not be around than on a normal weekend (when pledges tend to be lower) as they may be on a long weekend and actually away.
God, I am so on the fence about this. I had pulled my pledge a few days ago, and then seeing this new stuff (that Iron Empire nurse, for example) was like mmmm, that's cool. Then I saw that the EB Commander pledge I had cancelled was now open - 1 of 50 remaining. I mean, that's got to be fate, right?
I re-pledged and now will wrestle with this decision for the rest of the night.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Unless the werewolves get unlocked. Then I'll feel pretty awesome about it because they are awesome.
There is little chance that those will be carried by a FLGS, so I might as well hope they get unlocked, and spend the money now, rather than put it off and never get them (wandering gamer's attention deficit, I call it)
So to get the awesome techno zombie gal who lookes amazingly Dark Mechanicus, as I'm in the US I'd need to pledge 50+ bucks? Kinda confused as I haven't visited the kickstarter page before.
chuckachu wrote: So to get the awesome techno zombie gal who lookes amazingly Dark Mechanicus, as I'm in the US I'd need to pledge 50+ bucks? Kinda confused as I haven't visited the kickstarter page before.
If you're getting a single figure (you're wanting #42, right?) then S&H is free. You just pledge at Private level and you're fine.
chuckachu wrote: So to get the awesome techno zombie gal who lookes amazingly Dark Mechanicus, as I'm in the US I'd need to pledge 50+ bucks? Kinda confused as I haven't visited the kickstarter page before.
If you're getting a single figure (you're wanting #42, right?) then S&H is free.
I think he might mean W101? If so, "she" is available as a free addition to pledges over... $150 or something? Look for pledge levels that include "freebies".
Alternatively the freebie add-ons are individually purchasable for $10, so you... I think, can get her as the single $10 hero in the "Private" $15 pledge level.
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chuckachu wrote: Yeah just a single one, Necro Priestess Nephahrya. She'd make a great Necron as well. haha
Oh, heh, Jim and I were both off it seems.
I'm honestly not sure if you can get her in the Private level (you would definitely owe something extra, not sure if she is completely disqualified from that level though).
Earlier this week they said if you wanted a single $20 figure you could add the extra five bucks and still get it at the Private level.
By the way, I was extremely relieved to see Castle Perilous added to the drop ship locations. Since it's in Southern Illinois, rather than the greater Chicago area, it provides a good hub for people in the mid-midwest.
We've been working like crazy to finish the were-wolves designs.
To tell you the truth we didn't anticipate that once we had talked about them in our small background stories, you would be so excited about seeing and getting their miniatures
We're pretty happy with how they came out. However, since we had to create them fairly swiftly, you can bet that in the end they will look even better. Just so you know, the finished minis should be fairly large miniatures probably just a bit bigger than the famous Confrontation Wolfen.
So what are these creatures?
The Kurgan people have a long history of shamanic traditions. They have countless folk tales about wood creatures, sorceresses and changelings. But these topics are now taboo.
Historians say that a long time ago, the Kurgans were strong-tempered, excessive people with simple means and hearty spirits, who enjoyed their wine as much as their fights. They had a loose, somewhat disorganized social structure that nevertheless suited them perfectly.
But then, a sudden and unanticipated burst in their economy changed everything.
And greed soon pushed them into ultra-violent civil wars that were later to be named the War of the Beasts. They came to use their otherwise sacred shamanic powers to fuel merciless bloodshed that cut a swathe of destruction through the Kurgan population. It forever shattered their way of life, their beliefs, their philosophy.
Many many years later, they emerged from those dark times as a totally different people.
They managed to rebuild their society only through extremely firm discipline and a devotion for science and technology.
The shamanic tales and powers of old times have now become taboo and the Kurgans have learned to ruthlessly repress their animal side.
Yet today, they face a new challenge. Rampant corruption has infested their omnipresent hierarchy. Many believe that the solution can only be found by going back to their old ways. And with the discovery of the 'were' gene, the power of the ancient Yagas is on the rise. Even if it is still taboo, many Kurgans now roam the battlefields in their 'were-animal' form.
Recent Unlocks:
$605,000 Uber-Stretch Goal: Jailbird's Trike – Now Unlocked!
$610,000 Free upgrade – Now Unlocked
Katrina Zerga, Tank Stopper (KST), gets 1 extra weapon (heavy gun) and posable helmet visor
Lieutenant Kiera Drakkan, Iron Storm Officer (IE), gets 1 extra weapon (shredder) and 1 extra head (without helmet)
Heleria Drakenfeld, Regulatrix (IE) gets 1 extra weapon (pistol) and 1 extra head
Click to see a list of all the Free Upgrades to date
$615,000 Nurse Karoline (KST) – Now Unlocked
Upcoming Unlocks
At $620,000 - Free upgrade: The Riders on the Jailbirds, Kurganova Shock Troops and Iron Empire Motorbikes #2 all get one extra head and one extra arm.
$630,000 Uber-stretchgoal: Iron Empire Trike
$635,000 Free Upgrade
$640,000 Freebie: 1 new Lulu
$645,000 Free Upgrade
$665,000 Uber-stretchgoal: 3 Kurganova Werewolves
$670,000 Free Upgrade
$675,000 Freebie: Natasha, Com Operator
$680,000 Free Upgrade
$700,000 Unit of Cyberzombies
$705,000 Free Upgrade
$710,000 Freebie: Freya Pain-Sec, Iron Empire Officer
$715,000 Free Upgrade
$720,000 Freebie: Zab the Hacker, Jailbird Cyber Pirate
Oh and the werewolves! Holy feth the werewolves! Such awesome sculpts. I want all four. To deploy them for murder make on anything that gets in my army's way. <3
I think it's quite likely we'll see them unlocked, with only about $33000 needed to get them all at this point. Going to bed now, so I'll see how it ended when I wake up in the morning.
I think it's quite likely we'll see them unlocked, with only about $33000 needed to get them all at this point. Going to bed now, so I'll see how it ended when I wake up in the morning.
Heh, you have to hand it to them, they do know how to be passive aggressive: in the comments on Update #66, they ask which one you would want first. The only answer with any regularity? Reyha... who is last in the list.
I am scarfing down some food right now, but off the top of my head, I seem to recall that my EB Commander box was barely going to clear 750. (And I needed to factor in a fortification, I'm pretty sure.)
How about this as a rough guide for Sisters? All this, of course, assumes no tanks. I also assume full squads unless noted. I also calculate with no upgrades, which can easily account for a third of your points.
Troops Battle Sisters - Group of ten. I assume a troop box and a command box. 125 pts, $30
HQ Command Squad - I assume a command box. 115 pts, $15
Character - Counts as character. 65-115 pts, $10 (You get two winged models for free, so there's a counts-as Celestine for no extra scratch.)
Elites Celestuab Squad - Regular or heavy troopers, 2 boxes. 155 pts, $30 or $40
Repentitia - None of the Raging Heroes figs seem to really fit, I think.
Elites Ogryn - Assume squad of 6. Assume werewolves, possibly one Kiki. 250pts, $150 or $120 for six Kiki's.
Ratlings - Two Lulu boxes or three sniper boxes plus one sniper character. 100 pts, $40 or $55
Psyker Battle Squad - Two troop boxes or ten Yagas. 110 pts, $30 or $100.
Marbo - Character. 65 pts, $10 or $15.
Storm Trooper Squad - 2 trooper or heavy trooper boxes. 165 pts, $30 or $40.
Jimsolo wrote: How about this as a rough guide for Sisters? All this, of course, assumes no tanks. I also assume full squads unless noted. I also calculate with no upgrades, which can easily account for a third of your points.
Troops Battle Sisters - Group of ten. I assume a troop box and a command box. 125 pts, $30
HQ Command Squad - I assume a command box. 115 pts, $15
Character - Counts as character. 65-115 pts, $10 (You get two winged models for free, so there's a counts-as Celestine for no extra scratch.)
Elites Celestuab Squad - Regular or heavy troopers, 2 boxes. 155 pts, $30 or $40
Repentitia - None of the Raging Heroes figs seem to really fit, I think.
I'm getting Sheera and Zagrath. Full howl for one and the other is just dripping gore. That's awesome. I had to ditch two grunt squads and a grunt command squad, as well as the KST Tank Hunter heroine, but well worth it for two massive werewolves I think. Still 50/50 if I'm gonna ditch my pledge or not... I gotta go run the numbers.
A psychic unit would have to be made up of nine Yagas and one officer character, as the codex entry states the unit is made up of to nine psykers, plus one non-psychic model.
Yes, but all the Psykers have laspistols and close combat weapons. If you wanted an alternative look for your psykers, two trooper command boxes would get you where you need to go for a lot less money.
All trikes unlocked, 3 of 4 Werewolves unlocked, with the 4th just around the corner.
Kicktraq statistics are counting the last 4-5 hours as a new days, making statistics look a bit odd.
Still: 64,735$ and 197 new backers yesterday. 28,000$ and 81 new backers in the last 2-3 hours.
Anyone can still deny with a straight face that this kickstarter gets an end rush like most kickstarters do?
Volga Potemkine, Army Standard (KST), gets 1 extra weapon (pistol) and 1 extra head
Lady Sigrith, Great Embalmer (IE), gets 1 extra weapon (pistol) and 1 extra head
Vera Krabbenhöft, Battle Standard (IE), gets 1 extra head
Mortaria Noctis, Hitwoman (IE), gets 1 extra head
$640,000: Freebie: 1 new Lulu – Now Unlocked
$640,000: Uber-Stretch Goal
1st Kurganova Female Werewolve: Zagrath
Upcoming Free Upgrade
$645,000 - The Riders on the Jailbirds, Kurganova Shock Troops and Iron Empire Motorbikes #3 all get one extra head and one extra arm.
UNLOCKED: Free Upgrade + 2nd Were-Shewolf
Update #69 · Jul 7, 2013
The Kickstarter continues to grow, and we've all three of us been in front of our computers for quite a few hours straight. With the unlock of the female werewolves proceeding well, it looks like we have time for a quick run to the boulangerie for some croissants and pains au chocolat... One of the perks of pulling an all-nighter in France!
$645,000: Free Upgrade – Now Unlocked
$645,000 - The Riders on the Jailbirds, Kurganova Shock Troops and Iron Empire Motorbikes #3 all get one extra head and one extra arm.
I'm not sure why anyone would want to make a counts-as SoB out of these. They've already said they'll be doing a space nuns kickstarter sometime in the nearish future. I'd wait for those.
Well... We'll have to wait until March 2014 for THIS project.. who knows if they'll hit 2015 with the next one... and I doubt that.
Besides.. the Iron Empire has a pretty sweet SoB vibe.
Schmapdi wrote: I'm not sure why anyone would want to make a counts-as SoB out of these. They've already said they'll be doing a space nuns kickstarter sometime in the nearish future. I'd wait for those.
I'm certainly going to wait for the Space Nuns, but if you wanted to do a much darker version of the Sisters, then Nertha would make a very sinister Celestine stand-in.
I'm certainly going to wait for the Space Nuns, but if you wanted to do a much darker version of the Sisters, then Nertha would make a very sinister Celestine stand-in.
Schmapdi wrote: I'm not sure why anyone would want to make a counts-as SoB out of these. They've already said they'll be doing a space nuns kickstarter sometime in the nearish future. I'd wait for those.
I'm certainly going to wait for the Space Nuns, but if you wanted to do a much darker version of the Sisters, then Nertha would make a very sinister Celestine stand-in.
Ugh... that mini really does give me the creeps. An entirely different disturbing vibe to the Lulus.
Schmapdi wrote: I'm not sure why anyone would want to make a counts-as SoB out of these. They've already said they'll be doing a space nuns kickstarter sometime in the nearish future. I'd wait for those.
I'm certainly going to wait for the Space Nuns, but if you wanted to do a much darker version of the Sisters, then Nertha would make a very sinister Celestine stand-in.
Ugh... that mini really does give me the creeps. An entirely different disturbing vibe to the Lulus.
I agree, she gives me the willies too. Honestly, though, Nertha is the first pregnant mini I've ever seen that wasn't trying to appeal to the tentacle-porn crowd. She manages to combine fecundity and malevolence without becoming obscene. THAT is quite a feat, honestly.
I don't think the Lulus were ever supposed to be taken in a child-soldier kind of way. I think they really were just supposed to be some light hearted silliness. It's the cyber-zombies I find disturbing.
This is the first kickstarter I've backed. Also the first set of minis I've backed since coming back from my 40k/minis hiatus from 5 years ago. So not only are 40k models now worth the same as Forgeworld models in a lot of places, but amazing sculpts and minis lines like these are even cheaper than the playdoh-like 40k minis. It's surreal.
I'm in for $200. They'll probably look nice as a Warmachine or other skirmish game army.
The only bad thing is that while I love the sculpts, I'm probably going to have to buy a new file so I can shave down the inappropriately huge and offputting boobtacular parts. Kinda wish those were add-on bits you could glue on top of otherwise reasonable armor. At least they have mostly decent poses and the troopers actually look like they belong on a battlefield and not a runway.
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised when you get ahold of your minis, stonefox. They've heard the commentary on the early versions of their sculpts, and have promised that reduced busts will be part of the finished product.
And, yes, Minx, I believe that is correct. They haven't said about the head, but given the history here, it will probably be an unmasked head.
I had to get a Commander and hope that would be enough. (Although I did manage to get the best version of the EB commander. )
I agree about using spare heads, Kalashnikov! I'm going to use several of my spare heads to vary up my snipers. But which upgrades is the list missing? It looked like the latest ones had been added.
I lucked out on an EB Commander at that scale too Jim. Getting me all the minis I want really. I might use these girls for various skirmish games, and eventually their own game, but I think they might just end up looking awesome in the display case for the most part, dumb as that might sound.
Ugh kinda having an unrelated panic attack right now, which is not helping me stay stable on my choice to back or not on this kickstarter. DX
Jimsolo wrote: And, yes, Minx, I believe that is correct. They haven't said about the head, but given the history here, it will probably be an unmasked head.
Thanks, that's what i was hoping. I would have more uses for her without the mask/helmet.
Jimsolo wrote: God I wish I had that much to drop on this KS.
Sell one of your existing armies on eBay. That's pretty much how I'm financing all this.
Sorry, after all the time and money I spent into my completed armies, neither the Blessed Exchequer nor the FCA would forgive me if I sold them off now. (Not at any kind of price like what I would see on Ebay, anyway )
