I'd say between $60 and $75 USD is a pretty safe bet for the Warhound kit.

Armigers are currently $75 for two, the Warhounds should be slightly smaller, so I’m putting my guess in at $65 for the two (or at least, crossing my fingers).

Looking at those old Lancers, I do wish we would get eagle head variants for the Armigers.

Ah, there we have it!

Almost a guarantee to match the Armigers, I'd think.

Sadly, $75USD will probably what we get - but I'd be very happy to see it at $65, of course.

 Mysterio wrote:
Ah, there we have it!

Almost a guarantee to match the Armigers, I'd think.

Sadly, $75USD will probably what we get - but I'd be very happy to see it at $65, of course.

The Armiger boxes are 4 sprues, and from the leaked pics I think Warhounds come on 3 sprues (same size sprue). I know this is an imperfect metric, but it's something to be considered. Furthermore, I guess a bit of the cost of the base kit might be subsidized by the sale of peripherals, like terminals and those weapon cards for your terminals. I know a lot of people will print them out, but a fair amount will probably buy the real deal. The cards are like €10, so the margins have to be super high on that, and the sale of those is driven by model sales. My guess and hope is less than $75, but wouldn't be too surprised if they will cost more. I mean who knows.

I think Warhounds are going to be 2 for $50 at most.

TigerMafia wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Ah, there we have it!

Almost a guarantee to match the Armigers, I'd think.

Sadly, $75USD will probably what we get - but I'd be very happy to see it at $65, of course.

The Armiger boxes are 4 sprues, and from the leaked pics I think Warhounds come on 3 sprues (same size sprue). I know this is an imperfect metric, but it's something to be considered. Furthermore, I guess a bit of the cost of the base kit might be subsidized by the sale of peripherals, like terminals and those weapon cards for your terminals. I know a lot of people will print them out, but a fair amount will probably buy the real deal. The cards are like €10, so the margins have to be super high on that, and the sale of those is driven by model sales. My guess and hope is less than $75, but wouldn't be too surprised if they will cost more. I mean who knows.

I don't think the titans 'on their own' come with terminals or cards?

So that cost doesn't factor in.

GW might care about sprue count = price point, but I'd bet they use other factors more often.

We *might* actually get luck here as you *can/will* use more Warhounds than Reavers or certainly Warlords.

Remember GW's character/terminator price point 'logic'!

chaos0xomega wrote:I think Warhounds are going to be 2 for $50 at most.

I would love for you to be right, but I don't think GW is pricing them lower than a Reaver.

 Mysterio wrote:
I don't think the titans 'on their own' come with terminals or cards?

So that cost doesn't factor in.

No, you're absolutely right, but it's not the point I was making. I mean that you essentially have secondary sales that are driven by the sale of the Titan boxes. People who will want to field more than 2 of each type will "have to" get terminals and cards, on which the price point seems grossly inflated. So I'm saying selling one item at a slightly lower cost in hope that peripheral sales will generate some of the margins. Like you rope people in with a "good" price, which later ends up being a bit more pricey than initially expected.

Verrry simple analysis, and it's not a hill I'm willing to die on lol. Just my "2 cents". Less tooling, peripheral sales etc. Then, I don't know what the projected sales are. Will more people end up buying Warhounds than Armigers etc? If I had to bet, I would bet on $60-65. Not claiming I'm correct or that anyone is wrong.

I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad that GW seems to be adopting the "Necromunda" release pattern on AT18.

From a gaming perspective, I want it faster, because there's so much room in the rules and miniature range for add ons.

...but my pocketbook is secretly thankful.

 schoon wrote:
I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad that GW seems to be adopting the "Necromunda" release pattern on AT18.

From a gaming perspective, I want it faster, because there's so much room in the rules and miniature range for add ons.

...but my pocketbook is secretly thankful.

well once warhounds come out model wise we're semi-complete (sure new titans and knights, and xenos stuff will be ncie but not essential) so AT18 is in a good position that way

 schoon wrote:
I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad that GW seems to be adopting the "Necromunda" release pattern on AT18.

For all you know this is already faster than Necromunda. And you don't have a rulebook supplement on release day.

Yeah we should have the "basic" game within three months and in a fully playable state with just a single "rules" purchase. That's a huge improvement over N17 where we'll be lucky to have gotten the original core experience(the main house gangs, a complete and functional campaign system, complete trading post etc) within a year and requiring half a dozen rules purchases.

I think most folk accept they have to stagger releases to some extent, but the AT method of pushing out a complete experience within the first couple of months after launch and then adding to that experience later is far superior to N17's method of carving the original experience up into chunks over an extended period and then frantically trying to bloat them with little extras and reprints to make the rules buy-in seem like less of a ripoff.

Depends how quickly they get the other weapons into production.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Depends how quickly they get the other weapons into production.

Exactly this. The limited weapon options on the kits is really hurting the game right now, especially as the options we do have aren't the best loadouts for the titans. (double volcano cannons isn't something I'd ever run on a warlord by choice).

We need those weapon packs by Xmas.

Edit, auto correct hates me.

I would hope alternate weapons would be out before Christmas. That would round the year off well for AT in giving it a complete release and lead it well into next year where they might release some Forgeworld unique weapons and perhaps focus on new titan classes or even start hinting at chaos.

Yup.

I mean, I’m not adverse to double Volcano Cannon etc, but as I’ve said before, I want to play with the different special rules, such as turning opposing Titans from the impact, or halving their movement.

That’s when I feel the game will really come into its own.

the differant weapon sprues I see as something that'll likely be more "nice to have" then "need to have" but hopefully they'll come soon eneugh,

I do hope for the weapon sprues by the end of the year or in early 2019, but that whole issue could be a lot less of one if some of the bigger social media communities didn't have admins so utterly hostile to 3D printing stuff. It's dead easy to find a set of Warlord weapons and either print them yourself, have someone you know with a machine do it, or send them off to Shapeways or another printing service(a bit pricey, but good quality), but even discussing that in some places will get you banned, as if it's any different than someone printing off a bit of fanart to hang on their game room wall.

If 40k is anything to go by then the Warhound models should be slightly less than twice the size of the Knights. So, maybe as tall as the current (non-Primaris) Dreadnaught or somewhere in that vicinity.

 Breotan wrote:
If 40k is anything to go by then the Warhound models should be slightly less than twice the size of the Knights. So, maybe as tall as the current (non-Primaris) Dreadnaught or somewhere in that vicinity.

Sounds about right. We know they will be on 60 mm bases, and from the preview pics, a rough measurement would put them at between 50-60 mm in height. The highest part would reach to the section where the torso meets the lower body on the Reaver model, or about the height of a straight Warlord leg.

 TigerMafia wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
If 40k is anything to go by then the Warhound models should be slightly less than twice the size of the Knights. So, maybe as tall as the current (non-Primaris) Dreadnaught or somewhere in that vicinity.

Sounds about right. We know they will be on 60 mm bases, and from the preview pics, a rough measurement would put them at between 50-60 mm in height. The highest part would reach to the section where the torso meets the lower body on the Reaver model, or about the height of a straight Warlord leg.

Nah, dude, they're 80mm, like the Deredeo.

austinitor wrote:

 TigerMafia wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
If 40k is anything to go by then the Warhound models should be slightly less than twice the size of the Knights. So, maybe as tall as the current (non-Primaris) Dreadnaught or somewhere in that vicinity.

Sounds about right. We know they will be on 60 mm bases, and from the preview pics, a rough measurement would put them at between 50-60 mm in height. The highest part would reach to the section where the torso meets the lower body on the Reaver model, or about the height of a straight Warlord leg.

Nah, dude, they're 80mm, like the Deredeo.

Stupid me. I even have the arcs next to me and neglected to measure them. But the height of the models looks like to should come in at about 60 mm.

A couple of quick items -

First, an observation. It appears that the rules came with enough weapon cards for all of the packages released to date. For instance, there are four cards for the warlord version of the volcano cannon, and two for its carapace-mounted missile launchers, which gives you enough cards to depict both titans included in the Grand Master Edition (with the basic included weapons). The reaver cards, with one of each reaver weapon, include enough to play with any combination of the weapons included in the reaver box. And then we come to the warhound. Warhounds mount two weapons each, and this titan will apparently be bundled two to a box. That's a total of four weapons. But we only have a grand total of three warhound weapons cards. And that means that the rules don't include enough cards for the warhounds included in a single box. It's not that hard to make your own cards. Cut up a 3x5 card and write on both sides, and you've got a card. But it does seem to be an odd oversight that could have easily been corrected before the rules were released.

Second, I'm curious whether anyone has magnetized the reaver arm weapons. And if you did, how did you go about doing so? There are some obvious possibilities, but the fact that the Power Fist assembly includes the upper arm while the ranged weapons do not means that you're potentially looking at using four magnets per cannon. I'm curious how others have approached this problem.

Check again; the Rules Set comes with all four Warhound weapon cards. On the other hand, since you only get one of each Reaver weapons card, you can't field two Reavers at once, not with the weapons you get in the box.

As for magnetising, I jus magnetised at the shoulders. The weapons sprue does include the upper arm pieces for the gatling blaster and laser blaster, just as the Warlord weapons sprue does for the bellicose volcano cannons.

I put a magnet in the shoulder then chopped the top off the ball joints for weapon arms and glued magnets on, pretty easy. Just be careful at what angle you cut the ball joint.

 Tamereth wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Depends how quickly they get the other weapons into production.

Exactly this. The limited weapon options on the kits is really hurting the game right now, especially as the options we do have aren't the best loadouts for the titans. (double volcano cannons isn't something I'd ever run on a warlord by choice).

We need those weapon packs by Xmas.

Edit, auto correct hates me.

What is preventing folks from using “counts as” with the extant weapons, given all the stat cards ha e been released? Not the most aesthetically pleasing, but we have all the stats available, why not test drive load outs?

i did putmagnets in mine by cutting the ball from yhe weapon mounts in half and putting magnets on top of the cut off ball and one inside the mounting
i even put a magnet onthe top of the weapons an underside of the weapon mount so i can change left and right weapons and equip it whit all the weapons
that are in the boxs.

i can arm them with two differend shooting weapons or two of the same shooting weapons or with powerfist and range weapon, i can even fit one witht two powerfist if i want to
have on left powerfist and one right powerfist, i have to reavers.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Check again; the Rules Set comes with all four Warhound weapon cards. On the other hand, since you only get one of each Reaver weapons card, you can't field two Reavers at once, not with the weapons you get in the box.

As for magnetising, I jus magnetised at the shoulders. The weapons sprue does include the upper arm pieces for the gatling blaster and laser blaster, just as the Warlord weapons sprue does for the bellicose volcano cannons.

Doh. I found my "Turbo Laser Destructor" card mixed in with the warlord cards.

As for magnetizing, skeleton has the gist of it, imo. You *can* magnetize just at the shoulders, but the upper arm piece is angled to one side instead of hanging straight down. The angling is clearly meant to allow you to represent one arm or the other, and I suspect looks a bit odd if you attach a weapon on the "wrong" shoulder. Ergo, shoulder and elbow magnets are needed, unless you have a large surplus of weapons and upper arm pieces.

I bought two Reavers, and built one of each weapon for one of each arm. Easy.

 Soundtheory wrote:


What is preventing folks from using “counts as” with the extant weapons, given all the stat cards ha e been released? Not the most aesthetically pleasing, but we have all the stats available, why not test drive load outs?

Many people are doing just that, I can see why some people would want to wait though.


I personally hope that they hurry up and release the warhound asap, I dont want to start painting until I have them all ready to go.
Also, there are so many people buying recast warhounds and even more printing them off from thingiverse I would not be surprised if they are missing out on sales here.

 RiTides wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Slightly OT but the Old School Miniatures company is doing a Kick Starter with some funky robot designs.

https://www.facebook.com/OldSchoolMinis1985/

Oh my gosh, I NEED these

But I don't see any info on their facebook page. Something coming soon, maybe? I'd Love to buy in to a range of oldschool tiny-giant-robots like this

Edit: I poked them on FB and they said it's coming next week . We'll have to get a dedicated thread for it then!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/764247.page

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/882426675/osm-presents-robots-from-the-future

It's up and almost 3x funded at the moment.

 Mysterio wrote:

TigerMafia wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Ah, there we have it!

Almost a guarantee to match the Armigers, I'd think.

Sadly, $75USD will probably what we get - but I'd be very happy to see it at $65, of course.

The Armiger boxes are 4 sprues, and from the leaked pics I think Warhounds come on 3 sprues (same size sprue). I know this is an imperfect metric, but it's something to be considered. Furthermore, I guess a bit of the cost of the base kit might be subsidized by the sale of peripherals, like terminals and those weapon cards for your terminals. I know a lot of people will print them out, but a fair amount will probably buy the real deal. The cards are like €10, so the margins have to be super high on that, and the sale of those is driven by model sales. My guess and hope is less than $75, but wouldn't be too surprised if they will cost more. I mean who knows.

I don't think the titans 'on their own' come with terminals or cards?

So that cost doesn't factor in.

GW might care about sprue count = price point, but I'd bet they use other factors more often.

We *might* actually get luck here as you *can/will* use more Warhounds than Reavers or certainly Warlords.

Remember GW's character/terminator price point 'logic'!

chaos0xomega wrote:I think Warhounds are going to be 2 for $50 at most.

I would love for you to be right, but I don't think GW is pricing them lower than a Reaver.

Yeah, I said Reavers at $65 and people gave me the same exact response there, so we'll see what happens I guess.

So, is anyone actually playing this game? This thread was a frenzy of activity pre-release and not it seems pretty much dry.

Well there's been no news or rumours - the activity log thread is still going strong as is the "is it dead" thread. This one will spark to life once some news/solid rumours come on the Warhounds; which will probably be close to their release - a week before their preorder or a bit before that if a rumour gets out.

It was always a modelling project for me in the medium term. If once I've got a few engines painted up and a bit of scenery I can encourage a few games from the locals, then bonus.

Taking a long time to build my GM set. Legio Fureans, those flames... gakked up my first attempt, repainted the plates to do a better job. Looking forward to buying reavers and warhounds, but for once in my life I’m gonna finish the other titans before buying them. And also wait for an eBay coupon.

JWBS wrote:
So, is anyone actually playing this game? This thread was a frenzy of activity pre-release and not it seems pretty much dry.

This thread is for news and rumours regarding at. Not battle reports. As there has been no new news or rumours no surprise it's quiet here. Head to specialist game subsection that's the place for non-rumour/news discussion.

JWBS wrote:
So, is anyone actually playing this game? This thread was a frenzy of activity pre-release and not it seems pretty much dry.

It seems to be pretty popular in the FB and internet hobby groups that I partake in, lots of people are sharing tactics, paint schemes and 3D printer patterns ( or whatever they are called ) for unreleased titans and weapons, I dont expect much to get written here as the releases come at a trickle but I suspect that the longer they leave it the less money they will make.

JWBS wrote:
So, is anyone actually playing this game? This thread was a frenzy of activity pre-release and not it seems pretty much dry.

This isn't the "Adeptus Titanicus - battle reports" thread Hopefully we'll see the resin upgrade sets getting released soon. Wonder what the next plastic titan will be after the warhound...

 Mymearan wrote:

JWBS wrote:
So, is anyone actually playing this game? This thread was a frenzy of activity pre-release and not it seems pretty much dry.

This isn't the "Adeptus Titanicus - battle reports" thread Hopefully we'll see the resin upgrade sets getting released soon. Wonder what the next plastic titan will be after the warhound...

Most of upgrade weapons are actually plastic. It's weapons like warp missile that are going to be resin

I suspect we will see the Warhounds up for pre-order on 10/6, so announcements this Saturday. This would follow the release pattern we've seen so far.

EDIT: I said Reaver by mistake, I meant Warhound, of course.

By Reaver you mean Warhound?

 Rayvon wrote:

JWBS wrote:
So, is anyone actually playing this game? This thread was a frenzy of activity pre-release and not it seems pretty much dry.

It seems to be pretty popular in the FB and internet hobby groups that I partake in, lots of people are sharing tactics, paint schemes and 3D printer patterns ( or whatever they are called ) for unreleased titans and weapons, I dont expect much to get written here as the releases come at a trickle but I suspect that the longer they leave it the less money they will make.

It's also an incomplete game as of now, and one that required most players to prepare their miniatures and gaming tables.

 gorgon wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:

JWBS wrote:
So, is anyone actually playing this game? This thread was a frenzy of activity pre-release and not it seems pretty much dry.

It seems to be pretty popular in the FB and internet hobby groups that I partake in, lots of people are sharing tactics, paint schemes and 3D printer patterns ( or whatever they are called ) for unreleased titans and weapons, I dont expect much to get written here as the releases come at a trickle but I suspect that the longer they leave it the less money they will make.

It's also an incomplete game as of now, and one that required most players to prepare their miniatures and gaming tables.

Aye its just not the same without the warhounds either, the sooner the better.

Absolutley!

I've got 2 Warlords and 2 Reavers, but price depending, I suspect I'll have a lot more Warhounds!

Yup. Game is going to work best when all the core rule options are available. Titans and Weapons both.

It'll be a rare game where the main three aren't all taking the field across both player's forces.

 Mysterio wrote:
Absolutley!

I've got 2 Warlords and 2 Reavers, but price depending, I suspect I'll have a lot more Warhounds!

I actually have no titans at the moment. It's Legio Audax for me...all Warhounds, all the time.

Of course, I hope we get an all-Warhound maniple in the campaign book so that I'm legal for matched play...

October WD has the AT Warhound confirmed on the cover

JWBS wrote:
So, is anyone actually playing this game? This thread was a frenzy of activity pre-release and not it seems pretty much dry.

What are they going to play with? There are so few models and they take a long time to build and paint.

BUT! We have a game where we get to micromanage a few units! And don't have to worry about a bunch of minis and broken rules.

I’m playing, but this is a news thread, not a batrep or project thread.

Also playing, and really enjoying the game so far. It has alot of similarities with Battlefleet Gothic of old. :-)

So now we know warhound preorder is 6 or 13. Then wait for weapon packs. Any rumour about date for those?

Here's the page preview - note they're the 40k scale Titans

OK, I know it's an utterly trivial nitpick, but that bit at the end of that page rankles - the Omnissiah is the living manifestation of the Machine God. Their wording makes it sound like the other way around.

Still getting mine put together/painted.

Have we seen yet an actual price for the Warhounds?

 Yodhrin wrote:
OK, I know it's an utterly trivial nitpick, but that bit at the end of that page rankles - the Omnissiah is the living manifestation of the Machine God. Their wording makes it sound like the other way around.

The Omissiah is the Machine God. I can't say I've ever read about a living manifestation of him.

 Stormonu wrote:
Still getting mine put together/painted.

Have we seen yet an actual price for the Warhounds?

I don't expect we will until they go on pre-order.

JWBS wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
OK, I know it's an utterly trivial nitpick, but that bit at the end of that page rankles - the Omnissiah is the living manifestation of the Machine God. Their wording makes it sound like the other way around.

The Omissiah is the Machine God. I can't say I've ever read about a living manifestation of him.

It’s a trinity. The machine god, the omnissiah and the motive force.

changemod wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
OK, I know it's an utterly trivial nitpick, but that bit at the end of that page rankles - the Omnissiah is the living manifestation of the Machine God. Their wording makes it sound like the other way around.

The Omissiah is the Machine God. I can't say I've ever read about a living manifestation of him.

It’s a trinity. The machine god, the omnissiah and the motive force.

So the motive force would be his physical mainfestation?

Father (God), Son (Omnissiah?), holy ghost (motive force?). Though in the case of the Christian God, the Son and the physical manifestation are kind of the same if I understand correctly. I guess the Holy ghost might be the institution of Christianity (Belief). Then again, there's the interpretation that all are one and the same.

Please, not in this thread!

Just 'worry' about the "mechanics" of it in the 40K setting and sense, and leave all the rest of it out.

And will someone just tell us the prince of Warhound titans already!!!

In the novel “Mechanicum” it’s told that different Martian factions believe different things. Some see the Omnissiah and the Machine God as the same thing, others see the Omnissiah as the Machine God made manifest, some believe the Emperor is the Omnissiah, others don’t. It’s all very nebulous and open to interpretation among different sects of the Martian Priesthood.

Has there been any info as to when/if they are going to do a realm of battle for AT? I'm thinking of doing one of my own, but if GW one has one in the works, it may be best to wait it out.

So, hard to believe that we haven't seen a leaked price list yet - I need to know if it will be 4 Warhounds or...a lot more.

I have removed a bunch of off topic argument over whether or not off topic discussion is appropriate.

It isn't. Please stick to the topic, and take any further discussion of Martian theology to the Background section.

SirWeeble wrote:
Has there been any info as to when/if they are going to do a realm of battle for AT?

I'd be fine with a 4' x 4' terrain mat in the proper scale. Something that doesn't scream either Infinity or "wrong scale but feth it".

SirWeeble wrote:
Has there been any info as to when/if they are going to do a realm of battle for AT? I'm thinking of doing one of my own, but if GW one has one in the works, it may be best to wait it out.

I believe the "if" part has been answered as a "yes, there are prototypes that have been shown" such as these hosted on GW"s CDN from the announcement:



When, on the other hand, I don't think has been mentioned as of yet. Certain to be quite pricey though.

 Breotan wrote:

SirWeeble wrote:
Has there been any info as to when/if they are going to do a realm of battle for AT?

I'd be fine with a 4' x 4' terrain mat in the proper scale. Something that doesn't scream either Infinity or "wrong scale but feth it".

You'd be looking for this.

No sign of Warhounds on the new pre-orders list.

JWBS wrote:
No sign of Warhounds on the new pre-orders list.

What list? This week they weren't coming for pre-order. That was already known(this week's preorders were revealed last sunday). What will come on preorder next saturday will be revealed tomorrow. Warhounds will be on preorder either next week or week after that. This was already revealed as no-go last sunday and the fact they appear in WD means it comes on preorder on either next week or week after that.

tneva82 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
No sign of Warhounds on the new pre-orders list.

What list? This week they weren't coming for pre-order. That was already known(this week's preorders were revealed last sunday). What will come on preorder next saturday will be revealed tomorrow. Warhounds will be on preorder either next week or week after that. This was already revealed as no-go last sunday and the fact they appear in WD means it comes on preorder on either next week or week after that.

Ah ok. My ignorance is revealed. I looked one ptr-order yesterday and there were 15 items, today it was 33.

It pretty much has to be next week. There's nothing else left in the White Dwarf out next Friday to be released.

Then the rest of the month is Orks (and unfortunately not the Adeptus Titanicus scale ones).

Ben2 wrote:
Then the rest of the month is Orks (and unfortunately not the Adeptus Titanicus scale ones).

If only, if only...

 schoon wrote:

Ben2 wrote:
Then the rest of the month is Orks (and unfortunately not the Adeptus Titanicus scale ones).

If only, if only...

Basically feedback and sales figures from AT 2018 will determine if there are Gargants. If the answer is yes then we'll likely see them 2020, with plastic weapon sprues end of this year and resin upgrades next. I say that based on if they put a rush on the minis development side and only put three kits in the Ork stuff (Great Gargants/Gargants/Stompas or Mork/Gorkanauts).

The only place in the world that still have GM sets in stock is Warhammer World, and that may colour the view of the development team.

I fully expect to see them release more Imperial titans first. There is a range of knights they can unleash, the psychic warlord titan not to mention they could do a couple of "hero" class titans in various sizes.

Then will come chaos titans - its the natural next evolution that instead of just the mark of chaos, we shall start to see the influence of chaos. Twisted living machine metal; jaws, tentacles and more.

Ben2 wrote:
The only place in the world that still have GM sets in stock is Warhammer World, and that may colour the view of the development team.

My FLGS has at least 1 set. Probably other places as well. Just got 1 from there and few days later another one was sitting on the table.

I would expect orks or (most likely imo) Eldar to be next,
chaos I would expect to be a little way off (mainly because of the timeline)
however chaos already has a foothold,
so technically they could bring out a single model whenever they want

Going by the conversations at open days and suchlike, I’d expect weapons, the Titandeath expansion then additional Imperial chassis/variants, Chaos (the Titandeath is around the time - just beforevthe siege of Earth) that obvious Chaos mutations start to become widespread), then Adeptus Titanicus: The Beast Arises introducing Orks then some other supplement later adding Eldar, then potentially Tyranids.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Going by the conversations at open days and suchlike, I’d expect weapons, the Titandeath expansion then additional Imperial chassis/variants, Chaos (the Titandeath is around the time - just beforevthe siege of Earth) that obvious Chaos mutations start to become widespread), then Adeptus Titanicus: The Beast Arises introducing Orks then some other supplement later adding Eldar, then potentially Tyranids.

This.

Warhounds on pre-order on the 6th https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/30/next-week-warbands-and-warhounds/

Excellent, eagerly awaiting to see where they will price … I couldn't wait anymore tbh

Hopefully the command terminal pack is bit different to "5 warhound". That would suck I would need 2 packs and buy whopping 6 boxes to not have useless command terminal...

Anyway 2 boxes, extra command terminal(have already got another to split if it's at least 4 terminals) and weapon card pack will be mine. Should even get 2 warlords, 2 reavers and 6 knights painted well before that

 TigerMafia wrote:
Warhounds on pre-order on the 6th https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/30/next-week-warbands-and-warhounds/

Three plastic sprues, all symmetrical (two horizontally, and one vertically).

Probably the same price as a Reaver then. Bonus, though; they have all four main weapon options twice.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Probably the same price as a Reaver then. Bonus, though; they have all four main weapon options twice.

So basically first full titan. Yey. Wonder how easy they are to magnetize. Reaver power fist was bit of a headache.

Oh boy… the ‘arms’ are ball jointed at both ends. So even worse than the Reaver.
Part of me wants to say feth it and just have loads of the little things running around but! Life shall find a way!

Now let's see how long until they do Ursus claws for the little blighters.

Doesn’t look like they have Mega Bolters do they?

 KiloFiX wrote:
Doesn’t look like they have Mega Bolters do they?

Someone said they have 4 weapons each so I think maybe they do.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Oh boy… the ‘arms’ are ball jointed at both ends. So even worse than the Reaver.
Part of me wants to say feth it and just have loads of the little things running around but! Life shall find a way!

Oh bugger. Well good thing I'm not that picky about the appearance so cut the ball a bit and have magnet there should be acceptable enough for me.

I'm pretty sure I see it - bottom middle on the third sprue?

I certainly hope it is on there!

 Mysterio wrote:
I'm pretty sure I see it - bottom middle on the third sprue?

I certainly hope it is on there!

Oh wait, you’re right that is indeed it.

For some reason I originally thought that was the other half of the turbo laser but the two halves of the turbo laser both have barrels above.

 Mysterio wrote:
I'm pretty sure I see it - bottom middle on the third sprue?

I certainly hope it is on there!

Yep, just under the turbolasers.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Oh boy… the ‘arms’ are ball jointed at both ends. So even worse than the Reaver.

No, better than the Reaver. The Reaver has two different kinds of arms. You've got the gun arms, which have the weapon and the upper arm as separate pieces. And you have the power fist, which (when assembled) runs clear from the tip of the weapon to the shoulder. As a result, you can't glue the upper arm pieces on the Reaver if you want to be able to swap in the powerfist. And you also (unless you have a lot of weapons) need to put magnets at the elbow joint between the upper arm and the gun so that you can swap guns in and out when needed (and the need for that will likely grow when the weapon pack for the Reaver gets released).

On the Warhound, every arm will have separate upper arm and weapon pieces. So you can just glue the upper arm into place, and put the magnets at the "elbow" where you connect the gun.

Until something gets added that emulates the Reaver's powerfist, of course...

Part of me wants to say feth it and just have loads of the little things running around but! Life shall find a way!

No doubt that's GW's evil scheme.

Bit weird how warlord was designed for magnets but the other two weren't. One step forward, another back. Hard to imagine they couldn't have come up with design where magnets wouldn't work.

 KiloFiX wrote:
Doesn’t look like they have Mega Bolters do they?

I should add that the barrel array is only probable (rear view as it is) and that there is probably at least one more part (with the ‘elbow’ joint).

Eumerin wrote:

Until something gets added that emulates the Reaver's powerfist, of course...

Incidently wonder why warhounds don't carry fists. Fast mobile fist platform seems like effective route. Loj better than warlord with fist anyway!

they do, I recognise a part of the plastic kit that looks like my resin warhounds mega bolter

Saw the WD page, can confirm 75 usd...so same as armigers. A tad expensive for what is the same amount of plastic as the reaver.

Ah, but there's two things you see and.. er..

$75USD is high, but pretty much what most of us thought GW would do.

Probably 'only' 4 Warhounds for me then.

Stick with a more 'traditional' Maniple of 1 or 2 Warlords, 1 or 2 Reavers and 0 to 4 Warhounds.

 BrookM wrote:
Now let's see how long until they do Ursus claws for the little blighters.

Do you want me to end up with ninety warhounds? Because this is how I end up with 90 warhounds.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Going by the conversations at open days and suchlike, I’d expect weapons, the Titandeath expansion then additional Imperial chassis/variants, Chaos (the Titandeath is around the time - just beforevthe siege of Earth) that obvious Chaos mutations start to become widespread), then Adeptus Titanicus: The Beast Arises introducing Orks then some other supplement later adding Eldar, then potentially Tyranids.

I was just going by how I remember at/epic being released, as well as mentions in white dwarf and other places,
is the titandeath expansion mentioned anywhere?,
as seen it referenced a few times,
but haven't found anything solid or even rumour-filled on it.

White Dwarf has War Hounds at $75
EUR 60
GBP 45

Also, it looks like the arms are on the main frame sprue, not on the weapon sprue

Edit: I missed the earlier report on this thread somehow...

 Thargrim wrote:
Saw the WD page, can confirm 75 usd...so same as armigers. A tad expensive for what is the same amount of plastic as the reaver.

I'm guessing they figured if they made them too cheap all people would ever run is the venator maniple.

Most likely, plus gw figures you get two units instead of one in this kit. The price isn't too bad, but I think i'll stick with 2-4 instead of going up to 6.

 Thargrim wrote:
Most likely, plus gw figures you get two units instead of one in this kit. The price isn't too bad, but I think i'll stick with 2-4 instead of going up to 6.

unless you're planing on playing multiple maniples at once (buying for yourself and a friend or something) you'll never need more then 4.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Most likely, plus gw figures you get two units instead of one in this kit. The price isn't too bad, but I think i'll stick with 2-4 instead of going up to 6.

unless you're planing on playing multiple maniples at once (buying for yourself and a friend or something) you'll never need more then 4.

Yeah, I just wanted to have a lot of alternate color schemes. Or do 4 in my main legio, and 2 in a legio of the opposite side so I could demo the game with people. Cause I think i'm the only person who picked up this game in my town. At the rate at which I paint things 2-4 is probably more than enough though.

I can live with the price. I'm not happy about it, I was hoping for <£40, but on a cost per Titan basis it runs £22.50 > £35 > £55 so at least it's consistent, you just have to buy the little one in pairs.

But I'm keeping small with this, one Warlord, one Reaver, 2 Warhounds, unless the game explodes locally.

75 is a bit steep, but not surprising. I'm still planning on getting 2 so i can have 4 warhounds and I'll unlikely need any more than that ever.

I'll have to get 2 more warhound panels though - and they're likely to sell a venerator maniple panel pack - but that will give me 2 unneeded warhound panels.

Of course i'll need more than the 4 piddly cards they gave us in the GM box - which will bring the total cost of 4 warhounds up to 12.50 + 75 + 75 + 25 = 187.50.

Maybe i'll just get 1 box..

tneva82 wrote:
Bit weird how warlord was designed for magnets but the other two weren't. One step forward, another back. Hard to imagine they couldn't have come up with design where magnets wouldn't work.

The carapace weapon in the Reaver is designed to use magnets. That ended up causing a minor issue with the missile launcher on my Reaver because I didn't realize until long after the glue had dried that the magnet I installed in my carapace is slightly tilted.

Oops.

It's a minor issue, though, and can be disguised easily enough.

I think the reason why the arm weapons on the Reaver and Warhound don't use magnets is because of the old Forgeworld models. I vaguely remember seeing mention that the model designers for the Reaver had a little extra work because they wanted to include the cables that are on the Forgeworld Reaver, but are a bit small to deal with on the new AT model. My suspicion is that the people designing the AT Reaver and Warhound were a bit too slavish to the original Forgeworld designs, and those designs don't allow for rare earth magnets on the arms at AT2018 scale.

That's purely speculation on my part, of course.

 Thargrim wrote:
Saw the WD page, can confirm 75 usd...so same as armigers. A tad expensive for what is the same amount of plastic as the reaver.

High price because "its two" and come with all the weapon options so they're losing the potential weapon upgrade kit sale.

How popular is this game? I live in area with several game stores and am not really seeing any games played.
The main store I go to isn’t even bothering to stock it, just ordering it in as requested.

Will probably just pick up one box for now, maybe another if I really enjoy the kit.
Until Legio Audax gets rules, then I'll field 10 of the fethers.
Rise, Serigala!

I don't really see how much further they can go with this, besides more knights. Scope seems desperately constrained, wonder how much mileage they will be able to get out of this before it poops out.

Relapse wrote:
How popular is this game? I live in area with several game stores and am not really seeing any games played.
The main store I go to isn’t even bothering to stock it, just ordering it in as requested.

I'd say probably less than BB, but maybe close.
A lot of us are busy building. Game should kick into full swing by January.


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 MajorTom11 wrote:
I don't really see how much further they can go with this, besides more knights. Scope seems desperately constrained, wonder how much mileage they will be able to get out of this before it poops out.

I mean, they've got somewhere like 6 new titan classes to model now. They talked about it at the open week.
All the old variants from epic are just gonna be new titans.
So they have a lot to work with.

Relapse wrote:
How popular is this game? I live in area with several game stores and am not really seeing any games played.
The main store I go to isn’t even bothering to stock it, just ordering it in as requested.

I think it is pretty popular amongs the Titan Owner Club folks.

Relapse wrote:
How popular is this game? I live in area with several game stores and am not really seeing any games played.
The main store I go to isn’t even bothering to stock it, just ordering it in as requested.

That depends on the area. But GME is pretty much sold out so that exceeded GW's expectations.

There's couple issues though for now:

a) titans take up time to assemble and paint as they pretty much are mandatory for subassembly and painting unless you love being sadomasochist. If you are averse for playing with half built and painted models it's going to take up time to get you up to play
b) the slowish release schedule isn't doing favours either. With just warlords and knights it's bit of meh(and no maniple could be played legally). With reavers you can at least do one maniple legally but it's still fairly limited. Now with warhounds coming you finally have all the base titans. But there's STILL weapon packs missing so unless you are willing to go "this warlord has volcano cannon and sunfury, this one has power fist and quake cannon" your options are also very limited. Warlords in one configuration, reaver can have fist or gun as options. Only warhounds have full options.

So it could mean even your area has players but they are either painting or waiting for warhounds(and maybe weapon packs) before they get activated.

Several players here locally. Maybe unrelated but same group also plays 30k.

You might be better off asking shop owner how much stuff gets sold(that's how I found out about players here as well)


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 MajorTom11 wrote:
I don't really see how much further they can go with this, besides more knights. Scope seems desperately constrained, wonder how much mileage they will be able to get out of this before it poops out.

Knights, new titan classes(several which are hinted in fluff), chaos titans, ork gargants, eldar titans, tyranid monsters.

Also titan legion specific parts and maybe units is always option.

Consider this: Battletech has hundreds of mechs. If GW wants they can write even part of that into the world.

As a detail oriented person I still can't stand that they gave the bottom lip of the warhounds mouth/grill a curve. Irked me from the moment I saw it. And no studs on the circular shoulder area. Even though they could fit such tiny detail on the knight kit, why not the warhound too. Also forcing all the chaos bits into the kit means I can't build two of the look I want. None of the artwork in the AT book shows them bearing such chaos iconography until the final days of the heresy anyways. I feel like the warlord will end up being the best kit of the bunch, followed by the reaver. The warhound kit has some aesthetic blunders in terms of accuracy.

In terms of the games popularity it seems very niche. Depending on where you are no one will play it, or there will be several people. I don't think there were any stores in los angeles stocking this game, could be wrong though. This is also the first specialist game to not get an official facebook page. All signs point to GW treating this game like a red head stepchild after a year or two.

The release of this game is the fastest among all Specialists game.

Chopstick wrote:
The release of this game is the fastest among all Specialists game.

I see what ya did there

Neronoxx wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
The release of this game is the fastest among all Specialists game.

I see what ya did there

To be fair, he's not wrong. The Warhounds will complete the four core units just under 2 months from first release. Necromunda still doesn't have all six core gangs out after almost a year, and how many teams did Blood Bowl have after 2 months?

Neronoxx wrote:

Relapse wrote:
How popular is this game? I live in area with several game stores and am not really seeing any games played.
The main store I go to isn’t even bothering to stock it, just ordering it in as requested.

I'd say probably less than BB, but maybe close.
A lot of us are busy building. Game should kick into full swing by January.


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 MajorTom11 wrote:
I don't really see how much further they can go with this, besides more knights. Scope seems desperately constrained, wonder how much mileage they will be able to get out of this before it poops out.

I mean, they've got somewhere like 6 new titan classes to model now. They talked about it at the open week.
All the old variants from epic are just gonna be new titans.
So they have a lot to work with.

Have a link?

Yeah it's just the whole mirror match thing, no infantry etc. I dunno, Epic was... Epic. This just feels like they can only go so far, I could well be wrong have not been following much tbh. Anyways, I wish it success all the same, anything to keep the gamers happy

Epic originally came with this and expanded with others and now there's more willingness to create new classes as well. Where does it say warhound is only scout titan imperium uses? Or warlord only heavy one? Howabout siege specialistic battle titan?

And of course new weapons etc are possible.

Just because GW of old didn't come up with more doesn't mean FW can't come up with now. Look at 30k and all the new units and variants FW can come up with.

And of course eventually they CAN expand to other units as well if market is there.

 Overread wrote:
I fully expect to see them release more Imperial titans first. There is a range of knights they can unleash, the psychic warlord titan not to mention they could do a couple of "hero" class titans in various sizes.

If memory serves, the latest fluff has Imperial psychic Titan's being Warlords with special weapons...

 MajorTom11 wrote:
This just feels like they can only go so far, I could well be wrong have not been following much tbh. Anyways, I wish it success all the same, anything to keep the gamers happy

Based on what we've seen from dev conversations & presentations, these are the product possibilities in the current setting:

Alternate weapons (plastic and resin confirmed)
Other Knight chassis (Cerastus, Porphyrion, etc)
Rarer Titan chassis. They specifically mentioned wanting to do the Imperial precursor designs for the old Slaanesh scout titans (without naming them). Other recent FW publications have included mention of these Titan types: Apocalypse, Carnivore, Komodo, Warrior.
'Chaosified' titans like the Banelord which appear towards the end of the heresy
Alternate armour designs (armour sprue is specifically separate to allow this option)
Legion transfer sheets
Terrain

This is all before they consider extending the setting beyond the heresy and including Xenos

Very excited by that list! Especially pre-Heresy versions of what became the Slaaneshi Titans.

Me, I'm also interested in Forgeworld Variants (as in, In-Universe Forgeworlds, not the manufacturer) of the common three. Not just in terms of models (though I wouldn't say boo to that goose of course) but in stats.

One variant that springs to mind as a possibility (and only an example one at that) would be one better with Plasma Weapons (more advanced Reactors), but at the price of one of the Carapace hard points.

In terms of new Titans, tneva82 raises a good comparison - Astartes Tanks before we got the Heresy range.

Sure, some have purely cosmetic differences. But then there's Sicarians - heavier than a Predator, Spartans, heavier than a Landraider, right up to Mastodons etc.

Who knows what we might see? I'm firmly in the camp of 'Emperor Class aren't suited to this game' - but that doesn't mean the Warlord Class is therefore the upward limit.

Plus, the more variants and new classes they release, the more us Nerds will feel a need to have a suitable armoury of weapons for our existing Titans, to better tackle new and emerging threats.

That goes for the Xenos titans as well - which I am very confident we will see in time. Consider the humble Vibro Cannon (or V-Cannon if like me you kick it old skool). Historically, a bit pants. But if combined the special rules which can stagger Titans and turn Titans? Suddenly it has a real appeal - spin a Warlord 45 degrees and halve it's movement is literally the next best thing to bringing it down in flames, because you've just take it out of the game for a turn or two.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That goes for the Xenos titans as well - which I am very confident we will see in time. Consider the humble Vibro Cannon (or V-Cannon if like me you kick it old skool). Historically, a bit pants. But if combined the special rules which can stagger Titans and turn Titans? Suddenly it has a real appeal - spin a Warlord 45 degrees and halve it's movement is literally the next best thing to bringing it down in flames, because you've just take it out of the game for a turn or two.

On saturday my poor warlord got leg critical ending up flipping left and right. Combined with already high heats this was REAL bummer. If I flipped left I needed to move to turn to give sight to enemy(which btw were moving toward me so I would have needed to turn more toward right all the time). I couldn't boost turn either as my reactors were sooooo hot. And if I boost repairs I couldn't shoot.

My warlord was practically impotent slowly self-destructing from reactor that was up high while bit bad repair rolls kept me barely below red...

So yeah. Such weapon could be pretty darn nasty.

edit: also was rather funny game experience in that no rerolls everywhere For a while felt weird to be rolling 1's to hit and NOT get to reroll...Lol.

 MajorTom11 wrote:


Yeah it's just the whole mirror match thing, no infantry etc. I dunno, Epic was... Epic. This just feels like they can only go so far, I could well be wrong have not been following much tbh. Anyways, I wish it success all the same, anything to keep the gamers happy

If you're playing a "mirror match", then you need to start using more of the rules. Even as little as having different mission objectives means the two sides start acting differently. Add in the three different Maniples, different support options (now, do you bring a banner or two on Knights, or an additional Warhound?) and things start changing. That's before we even think about special Legion-specific rules. Oh, both sides have the same models? Well, they'll look different, unless both players have built and painted them the same way.

some pics from/for the pic gods :

Looks good Problem is do I take trip to FLGS which is going to take me some 2.5h due to having to wait for train or wait for monday to go pick up after work...Ah decisions decisions. Technically I really couldn't afford that delay as I need to get stuff painted for apoc mega battle but...


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 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:


Yeah it's just the whole mirror match thing, no infantry etc. I dunno, Epic was... Epic. This just feels like they can only go so far, I could well be wrong have not been following much tbh. Anyways, I wish it success all the same, anything to keep the gamers happy

If you're playing a "mirror match", then you need to start using more of the rules. Even as little as having different mission objectives means the two sides start acting differently. Add in the three different Maniples, different support options (now, do you bring a banner or two on Knights, or an additional Warhound?) and things start changing. That's before we even think about special Legion-specific rules. Oh, both sides have the same models? Well, they'll look different, unless both players have built and painted them the same way.

Saturday game one side was trying to carry a cargo off, one side was trying to keep enemy off from their side.

And different maniples etc yeah. Bigger battles there's lot more freedom to play with. 1500-2000 pts and there's quite a bit of options as you could even bring 2 maniples at once etc. Sure it's fairly boring 1 on 1 without much options but add some stuff...Games rarely show full potential at minimum.

Saturday game it was pretty much mirror match(practicalities of models and command terminal) but still with different weapon gears and missions(incidentally the side with long range weapons ended up the one with cargo...) made it own challenge for both sides(too bad I screwed up. Reacted to fast elements on one side but had own fast stuff on opposing side. With missions in mind opted to put warlord there and then was trigger happy with warlord. Took out those all right but ended up reactor at super high rendering my warlord suddenly rather teethless)

£45 for two Warhounds?

I'm down with that. Spesh as for AT, with my local GW store not carrying it, I'll order from an online discounter, or nip down Darksphere after work to save some more money.

For anyone struggling with pictures, a pair of Warhounds are:
£45
60 euros
$75 US
$90 CAN
$125 AUS
$149 NZ; $610 HK; $110 SG
450dkr; 540skr; 500nkr; 10,400 yen; 450rmb; 280RM; 225zl

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I don't really see how much further they can go with this, besides more knights. Scope seems desperately constrained, wonder how much mileage they will be able to get out of this before it poops out.

...I see your point, and hopefully the historical precedent of "Adeptus Titaniucs (I)" to "Space Marine (Epic)" happens again here, soon-ish.

I do think we'll get Ork/Eldar/Tyranid Titans or Equivalents first though, which will delay that happy day a bit longer.

I'd still be happier to have two, separate Epic Systems, albeit sharing models.

Let AT be about the Big Boys, and the unique tactical challenge that brings.

There's definitely room for both!

I'd agree there, go full mixed epic and either the Titans are overpowered with almost everything else being redundant,

or like the previous version the little stuff is too powerful and there's almost no point bringing Titans, just lots and lots of tanks

That's clearly what FW/GW will do, if they do it.

No need to worry about that!

We still need to worry about whether or not they'll actually eventually do it at all - but it seems a bit of a no-brainer given that a few years from now they'll be able to use these assets again there, and get a whole load of new people to buy titans again too!

Neronoxx wrote:
Will probably just pick up one box for now, maybe another if I really enjoy the kit.
Until Legio Audax gets rules, then I'll field 10 of the fethers.
Rise, Serigala!

Three boxes for me, at least at first.

Ember Wolves FTW!

Have they made any announcements for any other releases beyond the warounds? I wanna get into it, but few in my gaming group showed much interest, they've all moved on to 9th age.

We know plastic weapon packs are coming but no word as to when. Future possibilities have been listed here as well but nothing concrete

I'm just interested in Cerastus knights from FW at this scale, I think the added height will make them a better fit than the standard knight chassis.

A table full of Warhounds and Cerastus knights would look so epic!

It also might allow a bit more posing - the Warlord and standard Knights are too static looking for my taste (they seem to have just standing, not even walking, poses that are possible without modifying the kit).

Hmm the legs felt rather posable for warlord. Well maybe not for running but walking should be doable. Me being chicken and sucking with legs went for fairly static pose out of fear of wrecking expensive model

 RiTides wrote:
I'm just interested in Cerastus knights from FW at this scale, I think the added height will make them a better fit than the standard knight chassis.

A table full of Warhounds and Cerastus knights would look so epic!

It also might allow a bit more posing - the Warlord and standard Knights are too static looking for my taste (they seem to have just standing, not even walking, poses that are possible without modifying the kit).

I want the whole range of Knights tbh, and new ones as well. I could never justify collecting a whole Household in 40K despite having written up background for one, but in AT? Hell yes. Even if they never do a proper Knights-only list for AT I can use them for Epic, though I hope they do it for AT, no reason a Knight list with access to Cerastus and Acastus chassis variants couldn't take on a Titan Maniple and it would present an entirely different gameplay experience so would be good for variety.

Absolutely, and it would be a great way to increase variety, gameplay and replayability.

Warhound is only £40 on this weeks order pad.

DiscoKing wrote:
Warhound is only £40 on this weeks order pad.

It would be nice it that was the price for the UK, I suppose, but even if it was £40 and not £45, would that mean a lower price elsewhere too?

Not certain about GW's worldwide 'price bands'.

 Necros wrote:
Have they made any announcements for any other releases beyond the warounds? I wanna get into it, but few in my gaming group showed much interest, they've all moved on to 9th age.

There haven't been any announcements beyond the warhound. There have been supposed mentions of weapon sprues, but I'm not sure if that's an official announcements or just rumor. I know there are a few people in my area that bought into it, but are still painting or assembling - so I haven't gotten a game in yet. However, the ruleset is really good and I think it's plenty enough of a complete and playable game with only the 4 models. There are enough tactical choices that can be made that each game can be very different. A titan equipped with draining weapons will need to behave differently than one that can use it's reactor for movement and maneuvering for example.

Once they release the other Questoris knights, as well as the Cerastus and Acastus knihts, I'd like to see options for fielding "Imperial" and "Mechanicum"-aligned Knight Banners and Households, for a bit more variety.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I want the whole range of Knights tbh, and new ones as well. I could never justify collecting a whole Household in 40K despite having written up background for one, but in AT? Hell yes. Even if they never do a proper Knights-only list for AT I can use them for Epic, though I hope they do it for AT, no reason a Knight list with access to Cerastus and Acastus chassis variants couldn't take on a Titan Maniple and it would present an entirely different gameplay experience so would be good for variety.

Exactly! That's what still has me interested here, even though I've found the initial launch of the game to be pretty underwhelming...

 Thargrim wrote:
Also forcing all the chaos bits into the kit means I can't build two of the look I want. None of the artwork in the AT book shows them bearing such chaos iconography until the final days of the heresy anyways.

It's not really Chaos iconography, though - at least not yet. There's no sign of the eight-pointed star (or arrows, if you prefer), and none of the titan parts come with the symbols of the four Powers. The one symbol that we have is the Eye of Horus. And given that Horus is leading the insurrection, that would make sense. Those following Horus would need iconography that would differentiate themselves with those who remained loyal to the Emperor. And using a symbol that's linked to Horus himself would be the way to do that.

Once it becomes clear to everyone that Horus is fully corrupted by Chaos, then yes, at that point the Eye will come to represent that. But at the start of the civil war, no one is linking Horus and Chaos except those most deep in the know about what's going on.

Eye of Terra, surely?

I’m sure that was the original device, according to the novels?

Yeah, it's the Eye of Terra originally.

$75 it is.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'd still be happier to have two, separate Epic Systems, albeit sharing models.

Let AT be about the Big Boys, and the unique tactical challenge that brings.

There's definitely room for both!

Sales though, it's all about the bottom line. Personally I'd love to see Shadowsword formations and the like, but is it financially viable? (rhetorical question, none of us know). Yea they're supporting Killteam / the WFB kill team equivalent fully, but both of these have 40K / WFB as their foundation, same with Necro (to some extent - I'm painting some SM scouts right now, I don't actually play any miniature games, but if I did, they'd do fine as Necro Enforcers, or a kill team. Can this be said of tiny Shadowswords? I don't think so).

JWBS wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'd still be happier to have two, separate Epic Systems, albeit sharing models.

Let AT be about the Big Boys, and the unique tactical challenge that brings.

There's definitely room for both!

Sales though, it's all about the bottom line. Personally I'd love to see Shadowsword formations and the like, but is it financially viable? (rhetorical question, none of us know). Yea they're supporting Killteam / the WFB kill team equivalent fully, but both of these have 40K / WFB as their foundation, same with Necro (to some extent - I'm painting some SM scouts right now, I don't actually play any miniature games, but if I did, they'd do fine as Necro Enforcers, or a kill team. Can this be said of tiny Shadowswords? I don't think so).

Last time GW green lighted Epic and even produced new models it exceeded their own sales expectations by 400%...3rd party market is now also busy with not-space marines, not-orks, not-titans etc.

tneva82 wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'd still be happier to have two, separate Epic Systems, albeit sharing models.

Let AT be about the Big Boys, and the unique tactical challenge that brings.

There's definitely room for both!

Sales though, it's all about the bottom line. Personally I'd love to see Shadowsword formations and the like, but is it financially viable? (rhetorical question, none of us know). Yea they're supporting Killteam / the WFB kill team equivalent fully, but both of these have 40K / WFB as their foundation, same with Necro (to some extent - I'm painting some SM scouts right now, I don't actually play any miniature games, but if I did, they'd do fine as Necro Enforcers, or a kill team. Can this be said of tiny Shadowswords? I don't think so).

Last time GW green lighted Epic and even produced new models it exceeded their own sales expectations by 400%...3rd party market is now also busy with not-space marines, not-orks, not-titans etc.

Ah ok. So it'll likely be a success, and even if it isn't, it's irrelevant (cos 3rd party support), so long as there are decent rules available.

GW has set themselves quite a road map for AT18.

Even if they did magically decide to do a rework of Epic, it would be years before they got to it at their current release rate

DiscoKing wrote:
Warhound is only £40 on this weeks order pad.

They've changed prices from those advertised in White Dwarf before, so this sounds great!

Noticed something odd in WD this month, early on in the mag where it's previewing the new items that are then covered in detail in the new releases section. In the small preview of the Warhounds it mentions that they are now available for "The Horus Heresy: Titan Legions", so does that suggest they were originally going for a different name and branding it as a Heresy only product, unlike the released version where the main branding is Adeptus Titanicus, with the Horus Heresy part of the title just being a subtitle.

That would make it primaris redemptor price so 55€/65$ if true.


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BTW how big that warhound titan is likely going to be? Looking at getting box from KR multicase for my titans to carry around safe. They have tray suggestions for warlord and reaver but obviously no warhound yet. Is there any solid idea how big model we are talking about? Would be very nice if they could somehow be put on 51mm deep foam as that means half depth foam would do the trick. If not it goes to full one and that's way too deep :-/

tneva82 wrote:
That would make it primaris redemptor price so 55€/65$ if true.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
BTW how big that warhound titan is likely going to be? Looking at getting box from KR multicase for my titans to carry around safe. They have tray suggestions for warlord and reaver but obviously no warhound yet. Is there any solid idea how big model we are talking about? Would be very nice if they could somehow be put on 51mm deep foam as that means half depth foam would do the trick. If not it goes to full one and that's way too deep :-/

I think 51 mm might be a little optimistic. Maybe if you magnetize the upper body. I made a janky mockup with the images from Sunday's "Next Week" post. I have assumed that the bases are 80 mm.

Good news indeed!

My store just confirmed Warhounds are 2 for $65USD!

Ok nice so saved 10e already

And yeah if base is 80mm round no angle it works. Drat. Large empty area up to move around isn't good either plus halves amount i can carry per case

tneva82 wrote:
Ok nice so saved 10e already

And yeah if base is 80mm round no angle it works. Drat. Large empty area up to move around isn't good either plus halves amount i can carry per case

KR do 1/2, 3/4ths, double, triple cases etc nowadays. I reckon a 3/4 case would be perfect since it's 75mm tall.

aparently they do 1/4, 1/2, 1, 1.5 and 2, not 3/4 :/

Cases aren't big deal. Foams are. Half and full depth only with warhounds full would have lots of empty space and case fit...well half the foams.

Maybe do some sort of magnetised transport if i can find suitable boxes.

 TigerMafia wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
That would make it primaris redemptor price so 55€/65$ if true.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
BTW how big that warhound titan is likely going to be? Looking at getting box from KR multicase for my titans to carry around safe. They have tray suggestions for warlord and reaver but obviously no warhound yet. Is there any solid idea how big model we are talking about? Would be very nice if they could somehow be put on 51mm deep foam as that means half depth foam would do the trick. If not it goes to full one and that's way too deep :-/

I think 51 mm might be a little optimistic. Maybe if you magnetize the upper body. I made a janky mockup with the images from Sunday's "Next Week" post. I have assumed that the bases are 80 mm.

Spoiler:

Handy thanks. And right around the height I was expecting based on measuring the Reaver and Warlord.

Yeah i had been mostly hoping it would be oval base so it might fit sideway like warlords would be(102mm depth is too short to be standing as well)

I thought it was the Eye of Horus. But that was in the original books. No idea what the new novels are doing.

Really looking forward to the Warhounds, but irked that I have to buy a separate "Weapons Deck" for guns cards, and another back to get the Command Terminals for the Warhounds. So... probably over $100 for two Warhounds?

Well rules pack has you covered for pair. I'm thinking of getting another eventually. More terminals for reavers and warlords, another set of dices(hit and reactor) and more damage counters for big games.

But yeah that's annoying though especially weapons true for all titans

 Tamwulf wrote:
Really looking forward to the Warhounds, but irked that I have to buy a separate "Weapons Deck" for guns cards, and another back to get the Command Terminals for the Warhounds. So... probably over $100 for two Warhounds?

We've yet to see anything to force you to buy the weapons decks. The cards in both the Warhound and Reaver decks were just duplicates of cards that were found in the rules box. There's no reason why you can't just make your own cards. They might not look as nice if you do. But it'll save you a nice chunk of change.

If you only want two Warhounds, you'll have the command terminals already in the Rules Set. If you only use one of each weapon across both titans, then you won't need any cards, either.

JWBS wrote:
Last time GW green lighted Epic and even produced new models it exceeded their own sales expectations by 400%...3rd party market is now also busy with not-space marines, not-orks, not-titans etc.

Wasn't Epic 40k canned within a year of release because it lost them a ton of money? Armageddon limped along for a few years as a Specialist game.

Adeptus Titanicus is not Epic. Lobby GW to make a separate Epic game, please don't ruin an elegant ruleset with a hundred special rules to handle infantry.

 judgedoug wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Last time GW green lighted Epic and even produced new models it exceeded their own sales expectations by 400%...3rd party market is now also busy with not-space marines, not-orks, not-titans etc.

Wasn't Epic 40k canned within a year of release because it lost them a ton of money? Armageddon limped along for a few years as a Specialist game.

I don't know can you call 400% sale expectation exceeding as limping. And gw unlikely green lights new models if they don't expect enough sales to generate profit.

Epic wasn#t canned due to sales being too low but because gw thought they can get same sales with less games. Ie can those, same purchas go to fb and 40k. If anything they sold too well...

 judgedoug wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Last time GW green lighted Epic and even produced new models it exceeded their own sales expectations by 400%...3rd party market is now also busy with not-space marines, not-orks, not-titans etc.

Wasn't Epic 40k canned within a year of release because it lost them a ton of money? Armageddon limped along for a few years as a Specialist game.

Adeptus Titanicus is not Epic. Lobby GW to make a separate Epic game, please don't ruin an elegant ruleset with a hundred special rules to handle infantry.

You're quoting a quote. I have no clue about GW financials or how long Epic lasted. And the idea of separate systems branching off the same rules / model range was also part of the suggestion I quoted iirc.

JWBS wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Last time GW green lighted Epic and even produced new models it exceeded their own sales expectations by 400%...3rd party market is now also busy with not-space marines, not-orks, not-titans etc.

Wasn't Epic 40k canned within a year of release because it lost them a ton of money? Armageddon limped along for a few years as a Specialist game.

Adeptus Titanicus is not Epic. Lobby GW to make a separate Epic game, please don't ruin an elegant ruleset with a hundred special rules to handle infantry.

You're quoting a quote. I have no clue about GW financials or how long Epic lasted. And the idea of separate systems branching off the same rules / model range was also part of the suggestion I quoted iirc.

And incidentally at has onlv to gain on separate game utilizing same models. It would be win win

 judgedoug wrote:

Adeptus Titanicus is not Epic. Lobby GW to make a separate Epic game, please don't ruin an elegant ruleset with a hundred special rules to handle infantry.

There are already considerations for infantry built into the game if they should ever be introduced. This came out of the mouth of the author of the rules. He did an AMA on reddit. He said that he did not think there would be infantry as he thought the game should stay focused on titans, but they did mock up some infantry rules.

He did not specify as to how they would be implemented, but I imagine any non-titans would follow rules similar to those of knights - just without ion shield saves and with different weapons. In the current ruleset, anything with < or = power of 3 cannot bypass titan shields. This seems to have been added as a safeguard vs infantry shooting down titans with bolters. I for one hope they do add infantry eventually.

 Mymearan wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Ok nice so saved 10e already

And yeah if base is 80mm round no angle it works. Drat. Large empty area up to move around isn't good either plus halves amount i can carry per case

KR do 1/2, 3/4ths, double, triple cases etc nowadays. I reckon a 3/4 case would be perfect since it's 75mm tall.

aparently they do 1/4, 1/2, 1, 1.5 and 2, not 3/4 :/

They do 2/3 but it's a little short for this.

SirWeeble wrote:
He did not specify as to how they would be implemented, but I imagine any non-titans would follow rules similar to those of knights - just without ion shield saves and with different weapons. In the current ruleset, anything with < or = power of 3 cannot bypass titan shields. This seems to have been added as a safeguard vs infantry shooting down titans with bolters. I for one hope they do add infantry eventually.

Given the number of heavy weapons the typical in-game WH40K infantry list carries, one would hope that the developers would also make them immune to rocket launchers and las cannons, as well.

Eumerin wrote:

SirWeeble wrote:
He did not specify as to how they would be implemented, but I imagine any non-titans would follow rules similar to those of knights - just without ion shield saves and with different weapons. In the current ruleset, anything with < or = power of 3 cannot bypass titan shields. This seems to have been added as a safeguard vs infantry shooting down titans with bolters. I for one hope they do add infantry eventually.

Given the number of heavy weapons the typical in-game WH40K infantry list carries, one would hope that the developers would also make them immune to rocket launchers and las cannons, as well.

I'm not so sure it would be that big of a problem. In AT, knights only have 4 'wounds' and everything except the weakest weapons can wound them. The only think keeping knights from being torn up by megabolters and apocalypse missiles is their ion shields - which infantry wouldn't get - and they'd likely have fewer wounds. The RFBC's range in AT is only 24. I know they changed ranges for the sake of balance, but I'd assume a lascannon would be less than that and probably similar damage. I think even with alot of heavy weapons, they'd mostly be useful as area denial. Park them out of LOS and if a titan dares to move past that area with them still there, it would get shot in its flank. Even that would only be effective if shields were down.

Of course i say i hope for infantry based on the existing rules. The existing rules seem to be very well written so far - but the fellow that wrote the AT rules has left GW already, so its possible whatever came out next would be similar to the rest of GW's substandard rules.

I think that unless there was some really weird special rules - infantry would be kind of pre-pegged to be unusable as a complete army in themselves in AT - much the same as they are in battletech. in Battletech, sure you can get 100 infantry squads instead of 4 mechs, but they move 2 inches, longer range weapons are maybe 6 inches, and it's nearly impossible to accidentally be within range of them. The only reason you end up in range is because the opponent forces you into them because the alternative is worse.

 Mysterio wrote:
Good news indeed!

My store just confirmed Warhounds are 2 for $65USD!

Sweet! I was getting a bit upset that they would cost as much as Armigers/Helverins for about half the plastic.

SirWeeble wrote:
Even that would only be effective if shields were down.

Quite the opposite. If missile launchers and lascannons are usable against Titans, then what you'd see them used for is stripping shields.

Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that you have an Eldar host of 100 Guardians, organized into 10 squads of 10 Guardians each. Under WH40K list building guidelines, each squad will include a heavy weapon. Under Epic infantry rules as they've existed in the past, each squad will be divided into one stand of five Eldar armed with shuriken catapults, and one stand of five eldar armed with shuriken catapults and a heavy weapon. Under the new AT rules, if the heavy weapons have strength of 4 or greater, than a titan that wanders into range and line of sight will be subjected to ten heavy weapons shots. And you get to watch your void shield melt away faster than a snowman in a furnace.

Eumerin wrote:

SirWeeble wrote:
Even that would only be effective if shields were down.

Quite the opposite. If missile launchers and lascannons are usable against Titans, then what you'd see them used for is stripping shields.

Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that you have an Eldar host of 100 Guardians, organized into 10 squads of 10 Guardians each. Under WH40K list building guidelines, each squad will include a heavy weapon. Under Epic infantry rules as they've existed in the past, each squad will be divided into one stand of five Eldar armed with shuriken catapults, and one stand of five eldar armed with shuriken catapults and a heavy weapon. Under the new AT rules, if the heavy weapons have strength of 4 or greater, than a titan that wanders into range and line of sight will be subjected to ten heavy weapons shots. And you get to watch your void shield melt away faster than a snowman in a furnace.

That would kind of be the point. Infantry would be for board control. Don't go into their tiny 6" (or whatever) range until you send in a warhound to burn them out, or pound the area with some apocalypse missiles first.

Personally, I'd rather see full brigades of infantry/tanks using titan oval bases. It would just look a lot cooler. I doubt that will happen though - if we indeed ever did get anything smaller than a knight in AT. It would make for very cool little diorama.

SirWeeble wrote:

That would kind of be the point. Infantry would be for board control. Don't go into their tiny 6" (or whatever) range until you send in a warhound to burn them out, or pound the area with some apocalypse missiles first.

Ranges are already kind of established, and would likely be at least somewhat similar to the old Epic. So while the light stuff on infantry and vehicles might be short-ranged, the heavier stuff like missile launchers and lascannons almost certainly won't be.

My personal opinion is that anything smaller than a Super Heavy with dedicated anti-titan weapons (like a Shadowsword) should be pretty much completely incapable of hurting a titan. Lighter vehicles and infantry should only exist largely as a means of going after Super Heavies, and each other. Or to accomplish certain objectives that Titans cannot (such as occupying a structure).

Also, if your Titans’ shields are going down to a mere ten shots you have bigger problems than infantry.

Not sure if its any indicator of sales, but I got an e-mail from GW today telling me that they are waiting for restock on Reavers. They are expecting more in around the 12th.

Eumerin wrote:

Ranges are already kind of established, and would likely be at least somewhat similar to the old Epic. So while the light stuff on infantry and vehicles might be short-ranged, the heavier stuff like missile launchers and lascannons almost certainly won't be.

I don't know offhand if AT keeps loyal to relative ranges of 40k, but the Rapid-Fire-Battle-Cannon is 72" in 40k, and 24" in AT. If it's consistent, then the 48 range of a lascannon/missile launcher would only be 16 in AT. Not an impotent range, but it's no volcano cannon.

SirWeeble wrote:
I don't know offhand if AT keeps loyal to relative ranges of 40k, but the Rapid-Fire-Battle-Cannon is 72" in 40k, and 24" in AT. If it's consistent, then the 48 range of a lascannon/missile launcher would only be 16 in AT. Not an impotent range, but it's no volcano cannon.

AT18 ranges are approximately 1/3 those of 40K.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Adeptus-Titanicus-Warhound-Scout-Titans-2018

so in fact £40 for 2 'hounds, not £45 as WD claims

I thought that was the case!

Not bad at all for what you get in terms of models, and their impact on the game.

Reaver Titans should also be back in stock next week.

Also there's a community organised event at WHW organised for 16th December.

https://www.facebook.com/events/2036194769747335/

So other than on the UK website... WHERE ARE THE WARHOUND PRE ORDERS????????? Already....

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
So other than on the UK website... WHERE ARE THE WARHOUND PRE ORDERS????????? Already....

At about 1pm EST, just like every saturday.

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
So other than on the UK website... WHERE ARE THE WARHOUND PRE ORDERS????????? Already....

Same time as always in us. Gw pages work in local times. Thus australia has things before even uk

Or you can order Warhounds at a discount on ebay like I did this morning.

Well. I opted to support store i use to play the at so pre pre ordered from there like week ago

Not sure how the terminals work, as I do not play the game, but in the bundle of six Warhounds with five terminals is the fact that they are one short an issue ?

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Not sure how the terminals work, as I do not play the game, but in the bundle of six Warhounds with five terminals is the fact that they are one short an issue ?

If you ever bought the rules, no, because there are two terminals for each titan type in there so you would have seven.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Not sure how the terminals work, as I do not play the game, but in the bundle of six Warhounds with five terminals is the fact that they are one short an issue ?

To answer your question directly, you do need one terminal per Titan on the field, as each one tracks shields, damage, reactor temperature and weapons separately. As Ben2 said though, the rules set contains two of each type and you need the rules set for other things besides just terminals so everyone should have one.
As I’m going to end up with three Reavers and six Warhounds, I bought the Venator Light Maniple set; so, between that and the rules, I have exactly the right numbers of each.

So... my first reaction to the Warhound pics was:

Oh, no, what happened?

Seriously, the old warhounds were sleek, nice, and deadly looking, these look like giant clunky bobble-heads with underdone bodies and sad looking guns.

Looking at the maniple collection, it looks like in general the heads get larger as titans get smaller. What manner of design is this?

The same one that's been kicking around for years now? I'm not sure what you were expecting?

28mm


AT scale

I don't like what they did to the snout though. The AT scaled Warhound did not need to be given teeth and a pair of rounded nostrils, regardless of how Warhounds originally looked.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I don't like what they did to the snout though. The AT scaled Warhound did not need to be given teeth and a pair of rounded nostrils, regardless of how Warhounds originally looked.

That was also the look for the classic epic ones as well though.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I don't like what they did to the snout though. The AT scaled Warhound did not need to be given teeth and a pair of rounded nostrils, regardless of how Warhounds originally looked.

One of the alternate heads (4 different variants apparently) looks the same as the 28mm version above.

Ben2 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I don't like what they did to the snout though. The AT scaled Warhound did not need to be given teeth and a pair of rounded nostrils, regardless of how Warhounds originally looked.

That was also the look for the classic epic ones as well though.

Sorry, I was editing my post when you replied. I totally know about the classic ones, I was around when you could buy them in blisters, as I am totally closing in on being "old".

Im happy the 28mm scaled head style is in the pack, though. While the one with fangs would look good in a rebel force showing the first glimmers of taint, for stock Imperials it's just that bit too much of an incongruously organic feel on an otherwise mechanical boxy frame.

Well, I put in my order for 3 Warhounds, the command terminal pack, and weapons card pack.

The Ember Wolves will hunt...soon...

These are the guys I'm used to, with a guns facing sideways, not underslung. I am glad they didn't use the more blocky looking warhounds for this version.



Got my preorder in on e-bay, still working on painting up my Reaver & Warlord - though my knight trio is ready.

Unfortunately, looks like these bad boys may just end up on the shelf as I don't have anyone nearby to play against and not enough models to split-play with someone else :(.

 gorgon wrote:
The Ember Wolves will hunt...soon...

...as will Legio Lupos. I've been waiting for these a while.

 Stormonu wrote:

Unfortunately, looks like these bad boys may just end up on the shelf as I don't have anyone nearby to play against and not enough models to split-play with someone else :(.

A second box of knights might do the trick. You could probably run a decent demo game with a Warhound and a minimum-sized banner of knights on each side.

 Stormonu wrote:
These are the guys I'm used to, with a guns facing sideways, not underslung. I am glad they didn't use the more blocky looking warhounds for this version.



Got my preorder in on e-bay, still working on painting up my Reaver & Warlord - though my knight trio is ready.

Unfortunately, looks like these bad boys may just end up on the shelf as I don't have anyone nearby to play against and not enough models to split-play with someone else :(.

I guess I'm just too young, but these old Epic titans look like cheap, Chinese toys to me. Remember when your Grandma would get you knock-off GI Joes for Christmas? Like that.

Hand sculpted for metal casting. No 3-D rendering prior to making a mold yo see if it works. Had to be that way.

Not to get too far OT, but it was a different time with different casting technology.

For the time, they were ace.

I would still love to see an updated version of that old design.

That's what the new plastic kit is.

The two are clearly different design pattern though...It's not updated version of old design but completely new design.

Now we're nitpicking what "updated" means. if you look at the current model, you can clearly see that the new one takes a lot of design cues from the original - the head, the toes, the basic shape. It's clearly based on that original design, not just a completely new model. Unlike, say, the Eldar Revenant, which has had a massive redesign between the original 2nd edition model and the current design from Epic Armageddon.

Oh boy...just an updated Warhound design with the guns mounted vertically like the old design. Whatever you want to call it is something I leave up to you...

 Malika2 wrote:
Oh boy...just an updated Warhound design with the guns mounted vertically like the old design. Whatever you want to call it is something I leave up to you...

Primus Pattern Wolfhound?

BrianDavion wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Oh boy...just an updated Warhound design with the guns mounted vertically like the old design. Whatever you want to call it is something I leave up to you...

Primus Pattern Wolfhound?

Hell yeah!

I have never liked Warhounds, any version of them. I really hope the make Knight Porphyrions. They're about the same size but look so much better.

I wonder if it would be difficult to change the weapon mount on the new kit to match the old. Might give it a try when I get mine.

Looking at the pictures of the sprues this seem not too difficult to achieve. If the cables are "attached" to the body in a similar way as for the ones on the legs of the reaver this part should not even be a problem. Might give it a try as well.

I would love to see the original design come back, one of my all-time favorites. Love the spiky crest

I have bunch of the old Warhounds. I wonder what the size difference between the old and new.

I'll say I've never loved the old Warhounds...and never generally liked the 28mm scale remakes. But somehow the AT version (and maybe it's just the particularly slick paintjob, etc.) really nails the perfect spot between them.

The teeth/nostrils are better than the "my nose is a 1950's delivery truck"...and yet overall it's not as comical as the much older stuff.

I think it's a home run. However I also love the Reaver (because of the same balance of old/new), and really dislike the Warlord (waaaaay too boring and "clean").

 clodax66 wrote:
I have bunch of the old Warhounds. I wonder what the size difference between the old and new.

I have some old metal Warhounds myself, and they are about the same size as the new plastic AT Knights. Even a bit smaller due to their stalking pose.

 Darnok wrote:

 clodax66 wrote:
I have bunch of the old Warhounds. I wonder what the size difference between the old and new.

I have some old metal Warhounds myself, and they are about the same size as the new plastic AT Knights. Even a bit smaller due to their stalking pose.

After I put my Reaver together, I pulled out my old Snapper Gargant (the one with the giant jaws in the belly instead of the belly cannon, though both types used mostly the same model). It was slightly over half the height of the Reaver.

Yeah there is a definite scale difference.

On the other hand - in the fullness of time - when they eventually get around to doing Eldar and Ork titans, they are going to look amazing.

If they do expand, Orks will be first. I'd very much like AT scale Orks.

Hopefully in a Grand Warboss edition.

Ben2 wrote:
If they do expand, Orks will be first. I'd very much like AT scale Orks.

Hopefully in a Grand Warboss edition.

Why would Orks be first?

Not being snarky, just curious as to your thoughts...

Mostly because that's what the Specialist Games team have said; whenever the subject of aliens titans has come up the response has been along the lines of "we could do Adeptus Titanicus: The Beast Arises to add Orks, and then some other campaign to add Eldar".

 Padre wrote:

Ben2 wrote:
If they do expand, Orks will be first. I'd very much like AT scale Orks.

Hopefully in a Grand Warboss edition.

Why would Orks be first?

Not being snarky, just curious as to your thoughts...

In fluff terms, Orks tend to be the classic match-up for fighting humies. Or they were back in the day.

In rules terms, their Gargants (and Stompas) tend to be somewhat similar to Imperial Titans. At least in the editions of Epic I've played (don't know about the original Titanicus). There are a few differences, like power fields instead of void shields, more structure points but weaker armour, oddball weapons and a tendency to catch fire yet keep on trucking... but they shouldn't be too hard to do in terms of mechanics and balance.

Eldar Titans tend to go all fancy-pants with the special rules (holofields, dying if you sneeze at them sideways, etc.) and would probably be trickier to balance. Would be cool to see Eldar Knights, though.

I'd dearly love to see Tyranid bio-titans--especially if the sculptors bring back more of the old-school look--but I doubt we will anytime soon, given that the hungry space dino-rabbits* haven't shown up in the galaxy at the time of the Heresy.

But in the near future I expect it'll be mostly variant Imperial Titans (let's have a Lucius Warlord all Battleteched up, please!) and hopefully some properly twisted Chaos ones.

*I live in Australia. Rabbits are basically Hive Fleet Kraken with floppy ears.

Zenithfleet wrote:
I'd dearly love to see Tyranid bio-titans--especially if the sculptors bring back more of the old-school look--but I doubt we will anytime soon, given that the hungry space dino-rabbits* haven't shown up in the galaxy at the time of the Heresy.

That is hardly a issue though as there's nothing stopping from FW to use same rules and models in different periods. Ork expansion? Great beast possible. Eldar? Whatever. Tyranid? 40k. Imperial titans don't change so having tyranid expansion in 40k doesn't really break things.

The only actual problem with this start to the game is that the heretic titans are fairly locked to specific events, as they started to grow spikes not long after.

tneva82 wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:
I'd dearly love to see Tyranid bio-titans--especially if the sculptors bring back more of the old-school look--but I doubt we will anytime soon, given that the hungry space dino-rabbits* haven't shown up in the galaxy at the time of the Heresy.

That is hardly a issue though as there's nothing stopping from FW to use same rules and models in different periods. Ork expansion? Great beast possible. Eldar? Whatever. Tyranid? 40k. Imperial titans don't change so having tyranid expansion in 40k doesn't really break things.

Very true, and I hope FW does just that.

On the other hand, GW/FW games often stick to a particular setting to keep the scope from becoming overwhelming. For instance, Battlefleet Gothic only included Gothic Sector factions at first. It took a long time for stuff from other parts of the galaxy and other time periods, such as Orks at Armageddon, Tyranids and Tau, to show up in the game. (When discussing the failure of Epic 40,000 back in the day, Jervis commented that BFG's defined, limited and thoroughly detailed setting was a point in its favour--leading him to try doing the same thing with Epic Armageddon a bit halfheartedly and with mixed results.)

I don't know what the current Specialist team's opinion is about this sort of thing, though.

In the case of Adeptus Titanicus, Orks and Eldar fit in just fine to the rough time period. But plonk Tyranids in and suddenly you're in the 41st (or 42nd) millennium. People would start demanding Tau and Necrons and whatevertheheckelse has woken up by then, and complaining that they're not available. FW is a small team and that kind of commitment could be too much to take on.

Don't get me wrong though--I'd love to see it happen.

Slightly off-topic question. Does anyone have a comparison photo (or could they snap one) of a Reaver Titan vs. a Contemptor Dreadnought? I'd like to add a Contemptor to my 40K force, but hate the model. Considering kit-bashing one from a Reaver --- but I can't get a good scale comparison.

Thanks!

 Elbows wrote:
Slightly off-topic question. Does anyone have a comparison photo (or could they snap one) of a Reaver Titan vs. a Contemptor Dreadnought? I'd like to add a Contemptor to my 40K force, but hate the model. Considering kit-bashing one from a Reaver --- but I can't get a good scale comparison.

Thanks!

I don't have any Contemptors but have played agaisnt them as proxies, the Reaver is a few cm taller than a Contemptor and on a considerably bigger base.

I hope they take their sweet time with expanding the available factions. One of the reoccurring criticisms toward AT from other 40k players is that they conflate the # of units available with the tactical depth and number of options since list-building is 70% of the 'tactics' in 40k.

Imo, the large number of units available in 40k is to blame for its terribly bloated, yet somehow still overly simplistic rules. I fear that if AT's model count bloats up over time and new editions appear, they will add a pile of special rules and gimmicks. Combine this with the fact that the original writer already quit WG - and any expansions may not be written with the same vision in mind.

I'd love to see new factions, but I'd prefer to not see them at all rather than have them done poorly, or each with their own pile of special rules that take away from the already decent tactical depth of the base rules.

For example, if eldar titans were slightly faster, had less draining weapons (and still had the perks like shieldbane), slightly better shields, slightly better turning, and weaker bodies - that would be plenty enough to make them different and thematic and that difference would have a tactical significance. I could easily see a bad writer decide to add stupid gimmicks instead like eldar titans with automatic +1 cover, deep strike like rules, and other junk that complicated the game without really adding anything to it.

Yeah, I can reduce a base size, that doesn't bug me, but it does look a chunk larger. Will have to see. I don't mind making my Contemptor a bit larger if needed.

 Elbows wrote:
Slightly off-topic question. Does anyone have a comparison photo (or could they snap one) of a Reaver Titan vs. a Contemptor Dreadnought? I'd like to add a Contemptor to my 40K force, but hate the model. Considering kit-bashing one from a Reaver --- but I can't get a good scale comparison.

Thanks!

Not the best example since the dreadnought is on a scenic base. On a flat base the head would barely reach the barrels of the gatling gun. Reavers also have a pretty wide stance.
https://imgur.com/a/pM2zxyc

As far as everything that's been announced goes, the only thing we're waiting on are Warlord weapons right?
Have there been any rumors as to anything else planned for Titanicus? Knight variants? Chaos themed armor plating? Campaign book? Painting guide?

 gruebot wrote:
As far as everything that's been announced goes, the only thing we're waiting on are Warlord weapons right?
Have there been any rumors as to anything else planned for Titanicus? Knight variants? Chaos themed armor plating? Campaign book? Painting guide?

Warlord & Reaver weapons are confirmed as happening in both plastic and resin. Some of them are shown in rulebook pictures, along with a stormspear rocket pod part for knights.

The developers have also talked about a number of other things but with few specific details, including expansion books and new knights / titans. We haven't heard anything new on this since before the game released.

It’s weird that the Knights in the rulebook photos have Ironstorm Missile Pods when they can only have Stormspear Rocket Pods in the rules.

Warlord & Reaver weapons are confirmed as happening in both plastic and resin. Some of them are shown in rulebook pictures, along with a stormspear rocket pod part for knights.

The developers have also talked about a number of other things but with few specific details, including expansion books and new knights / titans. We haven't heard anything new on this since before the game released.

Yeah I remember hearing something about a weapons pack. Hopefully some Titanicus news will come out of the Vigillus Weekender.

Just a heads up. You don't get enough power cables in the Warhound set for all guns. You get 4 short (2 left, 2 right) and 4 long (2 left, 2 right). Only the Plasma Blastgun uses the long cables, so you're left with 4 cables for 6 guns.

https://i.imgur.com/lJm8aST.jpg

Glue the cables to the torso, not the weapons, if you want to use them.

I left them off the Reavers since they limit you to a single position for the arms.

As I'll be magnatising the weapons I can see myself just leaving the cables off.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Glue the cables to the torso, not the weapons, if you want to use them.

It's not a viable solution since you have both long and short cables. Glue on short and it won't work with Plasma and vice versa. I'll probably cut up a pair of the long ones and then heat them up and bend them into shape.

Got my three boxes of Warhounds! The Ember Wolves will hunt...very soon!

Cables are easy enough to cut and bend. Did it on my Reaver without any hassle.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Cables are easy enough to cut and bend. Did it on my Reaver without any hassle.

Every single one of my 40K Knights (4 so far) has a different cable configuration (due to leg reposes). Same cables used on each, just some bending and maybe a bit of cutting required. No heating involved. I know they're longer than the Warhound cables, and bending Knight cables might be a little easier, but I can't imagine Warhound cables will be a difficult proposition.

Legio Mortis transer sheet https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/22/forge-world-preview-the-legio-mortis-transfer-sheet/

Darn. Was hoping for weapons but at least i have just started mortis. Based on wording preorder this saturday then?

Weird that they chose Malinax as the associated Knight House, seeing as House Makabius served with Horus and Mortarion which were the two main Primarchs associated with Legio Mortis.

tneva82 wrote:
Darn. Was hoping for weapons but at least i have just started mortis. Based on wording preorder this saturday then?

Hehe, based on my pace you're looking at months. But I don't know. I feel like if they were going up for pre-order this week, they would have said so?

Curious to see if they will do Astorum too. Just started applying transfers to one of my Warhounds, and now I'm unsure how to proceed.

This is a real shame, the game needs the weapon sprues far more than it needs monofaction transfer sheets.

Well it's not as if the sculptors are designing the transfers (or forgeworld is even producing them as it seems that's outsourced),

so announcing these should have zero impact on when the weapons show up

Yeah, and most of the imagery seems to already be existing. You have the full-scale Mortis sheet already, so I suppose a lot of the design work has already been done.

I get the point regarding the weapons, and I am very excited for them. I don't really feel like we need them in a hurry though. The game should be fully playable at this point. Loadouts are tracked on terminals anyway.

I find it quite telling that the image they chose to show is clearly the one for the titan weapon sprue - so clearly its not "that" far off. Certainly this year I think. Plus don't forget GW said that they were going to restock the boxed set for Christmas sales so there's that to look forward too if you want a free Warlord/get into the game.

 Overread wrote:
I find it quite telling that the image they chose to show is clearly the one for the titan weapon sprue - so clearly its not "that" far off. Certainly this year I think. Plus don't forget GW said that they were going to restock the boxed set for Christmas sales so there's that to look forward too if you want a free Warlord/get into the game.

Oh? I seem to be reading conflicting things about grand master edition. Some says no restocking, others say yes. Wonder what it really is.

This is speculation, but I think they're targeting 1 plastic release per month for AT so we'll see weapon sprues in a couple of weeks. The lower volume FW transfers & terrain stuff are there to fill the gaps.

tneva82 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I find it quite telling that the image they chose to show is clearly the one for the titan weapon sprue - so clearly its not "that" far off. Certainly this year I think. Plus don't forget GW said that they were going to restock the boxed set for Christmas sales so there's that to look forward too if you want a free Warlord/get into the game.

Oh? I seem to be reading conflicting things about grand master edition. Some says no restocking, others say yes. Wonder what it really is.

Sales reps were telling independent retailers that it would be restocked in early 2019. There was also a GW facebook post saying it was a core part of the range and wasn't limited availability.

This Thursday there is an hour long talk about latest AT updates on Warhammer TV's twitch stream. I'm curious what they'll be saying about future releases, such as the weapons and Titandeath...

Well first up they can talk about its general reception and future. I would certainly expect to hear about upgrade sprue for the Warlord and Knights. After that there are still several classes of titans that can be released before GW has to consider other factions or inventing new ones that don't have any model at all (like the mighty psytitan)

If reception has been really good they might talk about Chaos - though I'd wager that is unlikely. GW has been really careful with not promising anything with AT beyond the most basic. So I'd wager if they stick to that it will just be upgrade sprue and another Imperial Titan at best.

Hopefully sprues in plural. We need reaver one as well

Based on what they've done with other Specialist games, I'd expect a release of some sort in November - my guess from the pictures released with the transfer sheet is that we'll see a weapons set for Warlords.

Hopefully so. If it has 1 of each weapon mark me down for 3 or 4 sprues!

 Overread wrote:
I find it quite telling that the image they chose to show is clearly the one for the titan weapon sprue - so clearly its not "that" far off. Certainly this year I think. Plus don't forget GW said that they were going to restock the boxed set for Christmas sales so there's that to look forward too if you want a free Warlord/get into the game.

I don't; it's the same image as used in the rulebook for the full-page image of a Legio Mortis Warlord.

Gryphonicus transfers spotted by Lady Atia (War-of-Sigmar)

 Sherrypie wrote:
This Thursday there is an hour long talk about latest AT updates on Warhammer TV's twitch stream. I'm curious what they'll be saying about future releases, such as the weapons and Titandeath...

Hi, at what time are they scheduled?

Mendi Warrior wrote:
Gryphonicus transfers spotted by Lady Atia (War-of-Sigmar)

 Sherrypie wrote:
This Thursday there is an hour long talk about latest AT updates on Warhammer TV's twitch stream. I'm curious what they'll be saying about future releases, such as the weapons and Titandeath...

Hi, at what time are they scheduled?

Here ya go

It could still be 1 hour worth of chat about the transfer sheet

ps angelofvengeance your second signature link doesn't appear to be working right (it just links to an unrelated page in your blog

 Overread wrote:
I find it quite telling that the image they chose to show is clearly the one for the titan weapon sprue - so clearly its not "that" far off. Certainly this year I think. Plus don't forget GW said that they were going to restock the boxed set for Christmas sales so there's that to look forward too if you want a free Warlord/get into the game.

What image shows the weapon sprue? Link?

Not the sprue, the use of a Warlord Titan illustration that just happens to feature all the as yet unreleased options is speculated to be a deliberate decision, rather than simply chosen because it's a Mortis engine.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Not the sprue, the use of a Warlord Titan illustration that just happens to feature all the as yet unreleased options is speculated to be a deliberate decision, rather than simply chosen because it's a Mortis engine.

Don't think it has everything unreleased options yet. Missing vulcan mega bolter arrays, laser destructor carapace and quake cannon at least. Also macro blaster arm gun. Last 2 I'm particularly hoping for.

From the card packs we know that the Warlord is missing four arm weapons and five for the carapace. Given there likely size I wouldn't be surprised to see either the arm options limited to one per frame, or for them to be spread over more than one extra sprue.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:
Gryphonicus transfers spotted by Lady Atia (War-of-Sigmar)

 Sherrypie wrote:
This Thursday there is an hour long talk about latest AT updates on Warhammer TV's twitch stream. I'm curious what they'll be saying about future releases, such as the weapons and Titandeath...

Hi, at what time are they scheduled?

Here ya go

4-5pm UK time, thanks a lot, I just need not to forget like the last time

GoatboyBeta wrote:
From the card packs we know that the Warlord is missing four arm weapons and five for the carapace. Given there likely size I wouldn't be surprised to see either the arm options limited to one per frame, or for them to be spread over more than one extra sprue.

5 for carapace? Paired gatling blasters(these please!), laser blaster, turbo laser destrouctors and vulcan mega bolter(what use for these anyway? I'm struggling to figure when I would want these 20" range ones. 24" is already pretty short!). That's 4.

And yeah 2 frames could be option. I suspect you can't make more than 2 arm weapons per sprue anyway without putting in magnets elsewhere than model was designed to have magnet.

Oops miscounted the cards Yeah four carapace options still to come for the Warlord.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Cables are easy enough to cut and bend. Did it on my Reaver without any hassle.

I'm sure there are also plenty of 3rd party cables out their, made of flexible material too.

Cable? Guitar string

8am Pacific time here in the US. That'll be interesting morning news.

My notes from the stream:

Mostly reviewing the releases to date. Mentioned the Legio Gryphonicus transfers coming soon.

People were panicking about the Warhound not being released cause it wasn't included in the initial model reviews.

More maniples will be coming.

Titandeath will have about 5 new maniples.

Titandeath campaign - Beta-Garmmon near the end of the Heresy. Thousands of Titans committed. Far more Titans during the Great Crusade than during modern 40K as they were well suited to crushing planetary conquest.

Worked together with Black Library establishing the background and events of Titandeath. BL tapped Guy Haley to write the HH novel, Specialist Games gave him the initial background and they had meetings back and forth for integration between the game background and novel. There's a primarch involved!

Imperial Hunters and Nova Guard are the "star" Legios, wanted to focus on ones that existed in the background but hadn't been previously explored in depth.

Imperial Hunters are an Artemis inspired hunter cult, all Princeps are women.

Legio Krytos didn't have a Low Gothic name or color scheme - chose God Breakers cause they wanted something totally metal sounding.

All the core book Narrative missions are from previously published background - no one has found where the ice planet scenario is from yet! Andy challenges people to find it.

Titandeath first of planned/hoped campaign books. Inspired by HH black books but not as large - HH books are very time-consuming. More about 100 pages.

Each focus on a conflict, new Legio rules, etc.

Gryphonics, Godbreakers, Imperial Hunters, Nova Guard and others getting legio rules in Titandeath.

Titandeath campaign system inspired by Planetary Empires campaign.

4 or 5 levels of crew skill, newbie to hard vets.

Some books will have supporting model releases.

"..an entire spectruum of Titans planned".

Light Scout Titan below the Warhound!

A Titan between the Warhound and Reaver, and one between the Reaver and Warlord.

Part of a years long product plan.

AT books can be used to expand setting, taking a passing reference and focusing on it.

Going over why it's set in the HH again. Talking about "Adeptus Titanicus: The Beast Arises" as a way to explore that setting and introduce Orks. *NOT* a hard plan at this point, but just the ways they are leaving themselves to expand.

Announcement on weapon packs "fairly soon/very soon just not quite ready yet".

Ursus Claws will be done at some point, probably as resin.

New person, Blake, just started with Specialist Games this week with his job being making AT upgrades.

Part of the design goal with AT and Necromunda was making a game "as good as you remember it, not necessarily as it was."

Showing off Legio Mortis decals. Holly Goodwin and Dominic Obager doing the color decals. Also include an affilated Knght Household. Malinax on Mortis sheet. Gryphonics has Vyroni.

Future plans for Knights: will be adding more Knights, have ideas for some scenarios/Stratagems for Knight only battles. "20-30 Knights a side." "Andy wishlisting!"

They want to do transfers for all the "main name" Legios, prob 1-2 every few months.

Talking personal hobby projects, Andy working on his Titan maniple, either Furean or Fire Wasps.

Andy collects Emperor's Children in 30K, inspired by an old pic of EC with two Fureuns in the background.

Talking about the history of AT and its design. Tony was the photographer for the original AT products.

Not seeing Lucius pattern Titans happening currently, but encourage conversions. Get the ice cream tubs!

Command Terminals are Andy's favorite new rules element, really reinforces the idea you are command a Titan. Also keeps the board tidy and not cluttered with tokens!

Have talked internally about doing downloadable honor banner images or resin banners (so you can heat them up and bend them).

New upgrades guy already has a "long list" of things to work on.

"Unprecedented" levels of plastic invested in the line already, mix of plastic and resin for future releases.

Titandeath supplement planned to release a month or two after the novel - don't want the supplement to spoil the novel.

So, the news from the stream:

- No set dates, really.
- Lots of wishlisting from Andy going on, they have lots of stuff they'd like to do, like scout titans that are lighter than Warhounds, battle titans between Reavers and Warlords, lighter battle titans and what not.
- They want to make a number of campaign books as supplements, maybe 100 pages each, in the style if not volume of HH Black Books.
- Titandeath is coming, with crunchy campaign rules. Resources and maps mentioned if not confirmed, as were at least five new maniples. Release goes to the next year most likely, as the Titandeath novel comes out in December and the supplement will come out later than that.

All sounds great except weapon packs might be surprisingly far away. I'm dying for them!

tneva82 wrote:
All sounds great except weapon packs might be surprisingly far away. I'm dying for them!

Well, considering GW generally doesn't reveal specific releases that are more than three months out (save for the occasional VERY big tease), that they will have the weapon packs announcement fairly to very soon, Titandeath the novel is December release so the AT supplement is looking to be Jan or Feb, I'd say expect to see the packs come out with the supplement.

Just listened to the Warhammer Live hour-long talk on AT18

Here are my notes (even though I see other notes above - justr to make suer nothing was missed)


- - Titandeath Campaign (next book)

- - Horus Heresy
- - Set in Beta Garmon star cluster
- - Huge Loyalist force gathered - Traitor forces had to respond with equal force
- - Primarchs will be present
- - Guy Haley is writing the novel about this - December 2018 release
- - Will have more Maniple types in it
- - Imperial Hunters (will have all female princeps) & Nova Guard will be there
- - Legio Krytos (Godbreakers) will also be there
- - Will be first of several books - it takes a long time to write these
- - 100 pages
- - Legio Rules for at least those listed above will be in it
- - Full campaign system - roughly based on old Planetary Empires hex set rules
- - New weapon variants & Knights
- - Release "soon" after the novel (early '19?)

- - They have more Titans in the works

- - One scout lighter than Warhound
- - Between Warhound and Reaver
- - Between Reaver and Warlord
- - Between Warlord and Imperator

- - Other books will center on other Titan campaigns
- - Line will expand slowly
- - They have a very long roadmap planned out - out to at least 2020 if sales support it
- - Psi-Titans are in the works
- - Ursus Claws for Warhounds are in the works
- - They created the game as they wished it was in the old AT88 days - including Mars pattern over the more boxy Lucius pattern
- - Decal sheets will have one Legio and one Knight Household
- - They'd like to do mass Knight formations as part of the game - in the future
- - They plan to work their way through all the famous legions
- - Legio Fureans is linked to the Emperor's Children
- - Regarding Lucius Pattern Titans - they do not plan to do these
- - They just hired a new guy for designing Titan weapons, add-ons, etc
- - They will work in both plastic and resin as is appropriate
- - They'll stay in the HH for a long time - something else might be possible, but no plans for now
- - They want AT18 events at Warhammer tourneys

@ Alendrel and schoon thanks for the excellent summary

From what Andy Hoare said during the live feed I understand the following are definitely coming (although no indications as to when):

- psi-titans
- ursus claws

both times he said "of course, we will do" before mentioning psi-titans and ursus claws respectively.

and likely more scenery as well.

With regards to the "all knights", he said this was not the essence of AT but could be fun, envisioning 20-30 knights per side, charging into each other.

For the expansion book(s), he mentionned loads of colour schemes for legios

Fun facts: they saw a spike in FW 40K size titans sales when AT was released

Alendrel wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
All sounds great except weapon packs might be surprisingly far away. I'm dying for them!

Well, considering GW generally doesn't reveal specific releases that are more than three months out (save for the occasional VERY big tease), that they will have the weapon packs announcement fairly to very soon, Titandeath the novel is December release so the AT supplement is looking to be Jan or Feb, I'd say expect to see the packs come out with the supplement.

That would be longer than I hoped for :( Had been hoping warlord on november, reaver on christmas style of pattern. This count-as'ing gets annoying and confusing for me and probably more so for opponent.

I'd happily be wrong - but I suspect if anything was coming in November Andy wouldn't have more forthright with that info.