I’m guessing because iron hands tend to go vehicle heavy along with guard. So far though it’s almost all infantry spam from BA, DA, EC, custodes that is winning the tourneys right now though so I don’t even know if IH or guard are gonna be the main threats.

Sean Nayden goes big with the Goffs on LVO. Currently 6 wins in row with 98p in average. Now comes the finals… He has an army full of Nobz

LVO goes in pre-AoO styles with old detachements etc. Guys, this seems to be last ork vow of the old rules.

List - you can hardly imitate in AoO btw because you have not enough slots - is there:

Played in a 1k tourney.
Ran: Ghaz, bikerboss, 2*10 grots, 10 boyz, 2*1 skrapjets, 3 rokkit kanz and 3 burns kanz.

1st game was vs daemons: bloodthirster, belakor, 3*1 beasts of nurgle.
I reserved burns kanz. The enemy got 1st turn, moved forward, burned some boyz, than got shot and charged - lost belakor. Thirster than smashed both bikerboss and 3 rokkit kanz but died turn 2. It was game over. The fun part is that I didn't manage to kill any of the beasts of nurgle at all cause rolled really bad all along after t1. And they just regenerated to full.
Anyways, 20-0.

2d game was vs eldar with 2 farseers, 2*5 spiders, 5 scorpions, 5 avengers, 5 firefragons and 2 artillery platforms that shoot crazy antitank out of los for cheap. The main problem was though that the table had a bit too much terrain, so I quickly figured out I could not leave my deployment zone with any of the vehicles. So I reserved 3 burna kanz.
He just deployed mid board with 3 of his units that he could apparently also reserve for a cp AFTER he found out who goes first. Eh. But he went 1st, dealt 4 me magic wounds to ghaz, shot down everything he could see: ghaz and jet, which exploded killing a bunch of stuff around.And than he just finished off ghaz and killed a bikerboss with his scorpions performing some insane moves. It was allready game over for orks - not sure you can do anything at all in such a matchup with such deployment and 2d turn. But I didn't give up, ofc. 3 rokkit kanz and remaining jet killed 3 dragona. Boyz killed his scorpions and Avengers, tied down a farseer and 2 remaining dragons. Apparently, this dirty elves can fall back when you charge them - which warp spiders surely did getting out of boyz' reach. Oh, and they also, of course, shoot after falling back. And get a bunch of dice to auto-pass saves, casts, wounds... Rant over...
Well, he than shot down everything he could see. And I was left with grots, 1 nob from boy's squad and 3 reserved kanz.
I had to risk it, so I move grots to engage with warp spiders and reserved kanz arrived to burn down some spiders and kill a farseer in mellee. I was still leading on the secondaries thanks to grots and boyz. Statistically, grots had to deal like 4 wounds. They dealt 0. Killa kanz had to burn down 5-6 wounds. They dealt 0. And also failed a 3d6 charge with a re-roll.
...
Well, that's it. He just wiped everything on his 3d turn.
I still scored 46, but he made 98. Better luck next time. Maybe a more open table and t1. Also, more at least close to average damage would have helped.


Anyways, I tried 'improved kanz' and new reserves. Reaerves can be occasionally useful but don't go too heavy on them. Quite limited - not nearly as good as deepstrike.
Kanz - I feel they're still very underwhelming. Yeah, tough on paper but they just don't do anything cause of how slow they are and how much place they take up. Might be ok if your tables are less heav y on terrain. Just to soak up wounds and score midfield.
Boyz felt fairly ok. Especially on tables with so much terrain like ours.

Good report koooaie. Kans are slow, that is their biggest con!

Sean Neyden plays goffs on LVO right now on top places

Stream https://www.youtube.com/live/9ZAf4ej7asI?feature=share

Wow, dude is in the final. Ngl part of me was hoping he wouldn’t do well cause now GW is gonna think we’re top tier 😂

Stay calm! He lost in final in T2 and it' s Sean Neyden, not some no-name guy. He was to be expected in top10 or something.

His list is nice tho. Meganobz, regular nobz, 2 wagons, no shooting other than 5 lootas, but I guess, it's for the secondary. Just in case grots get killed. A bunch of bosses. No ghaz, but it's expected here. He has no way of dealing with deathstars but, I guess, he just rolls around, killing softer targets and scoring points.
Needs great understanding of how it all works. And a place to hide 2 wagona with a trukk!

Ok, final tmes at LVO with our orks came to very interesting conclusion. Does anybody hit the point? They really messed up counting the points?

https://fb.watch/inq41bawem/

 Tomsug wrote:
Ok, final tmes at LVO with our orks came to very interesting conclusion. Does anybody hit the point? They really messed up counting the points?

https://fb.watch/inq41bawem/

after WGL stopped broadcasting, they rechecked points and realized that on T3 Soli had underscored himself by 4 primary points. If that information had been known at that point in the game, it would have changed how turns 3-5 played out entirely for both sides. Rather than have a feelsbad for either side, they settled it with a dice roll.

high roll that is also a 4+ wins.

first roll - both roll 3
second roll - nayden rolls 6, Soli rolls 4, so Nayden goes on to the finals.

terennNash wrote:

 Tomsug wrote:
Ok, final tmes at LVO with our orks came to very interesting conclusion. Does anybody hit the point? They really messed up counting the points?

https://fb.watch/inq41bawem/

after WGL stopped broadcasting, they rechecked points and realized that on T3 Soli had underscored himself by 4 primary points. If that information had been known at that point in the game, it would have changed how turns 3-5 played out entirely for both sides. Rather than have a feelsbad for either side, they settled it with a dice roll.

high roll that is also a 4+ wins.

first roll - both roll 3
second roll - nayden rolls 6, Soli rolls 4, so Nayden goes on to the finals.

Ahh. And who won the game with wrong counting?

That's a lot of claw, i like it! I also see a lot of Nobz play, so they indeed have a place.

The biker's came as a surprise but they also work for a solid fast threat plus access to smoke stratagem

Did i mentioned the claws, got love them claws ahaha

The lack of beast snagga comes as no surprise since he skipped kill rig. That's a really fun list and a orky one at that.

 Tomsug wrote:

Ahh. And who won the game with wrong counting?

That was the semi's Sean vs Soli. They realized after the game Soli underscored his primary which technically would have given him the win, but would of completely changed the way Sean played the last turns since he was basically just hiding and not really going for his secondary at all turn 4/5. So they decided to roll off to see who goes to the final and Sean won. The semi game wouldn't of been very close had Sean not failed a 6" charge with his biker boss turn 1 against his bloodthirster since he would then lose his boss in shooting next turn and the bloodthirster would give him a lot more problems the next 2 turns.

Anyways I watched most of Sean's later games on stream. He usually won by just spreading out his units and dominating the board. He's also a master at the fight phase so pulled off a lot of pile-in/consolidate shenanigans like one game vs death guard his Manz multicharged a deathshroud squad and plague marines. Put all his attacks into the death shroud then consolidated away from them closer to the plague marines so they wouldn't attack back.

His final's game he honestly probably could of won pretty easily had he tried since Jack's blood angels had literally no way of getting rid of his vehicles in shooting outside some inferno pistols which means Sean could of just controlled the whole board like most of his games and waited for Jack to have to close the distance and likely destroy most of his army in a counter charge. Him and Jack are good friends so he seemed fine losing to him and basically told him at the beginning he's just gonna send it because he didn't want to think after the long drawn out game vs Soli and general fatigue playing the whole weekend. So he just yolo'd his whole army up turn one even though his bikerboss and trukknobz were the only punchy things that would actually be able to do anything. Trukknobz made it in then largely whiffed and only killed like 3 sang guard. His bikerboss then decided to betray him again and fail a 6" charge like in the previous round which honestly could of dramatically changed the outcome since he likely would of either wiped a whole sang squad or left them with 1-2 guys at most. Jack then counter charged, did a good amount of damage, Sean charged out his Manz and did a good amount of damage on his next turn, but it just wasn't gonna be enough and so they called it.

It's important to note LVO had none of the points/rules changes in affect so while Sean's list was cool it would unfortunately get ripped to shreds in our current plasma/melta spam meta. Still fun to see the orks do some good crumping though.

Also John Lennon, the AoW tyranid player, who was another heavy favorite to win the LVO lost in round 4 to some other unknown ork player which was kinda neat. So all around some good ork representation.

I lost the sence for infatry rules after 2 years os speedmobing at all..

So just to be absolutely clear:

1. Nobz with choppa and PK can either do 4 attacks with choppas or 3xPK + 1xchoppa. Right?

2. Goff “+1 to S characteristic” => PK Nob has

S=

(5+1)x2=12

or

(5x2)+1=11 ?

 Tomsug wrote:
I lost the sence for infatry rules after 2 years os speedmobing at all..

So just to be absolutely clear:

1. Nobz with choppa and PK can either so 4 attacks with choppas or 3xPK + 1xchoppa. Right?

2. Goff “+1 to S characteristic” => PK Nob has

S=

(5+1)x2=12

or

(5x2)+1=11 ?

1) Spot on.
2) I think the current rule is follow PEMDAS, regardless of what the bonus is being applied to.

So It'd be 5*2+1=11. I may be wrong, but ultimately, it literally only matters against T6 models.

Flaming Tadpole - that ' s a story! Hell…



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“ Goff “+1 to S characteristic” => PK Nob” issue is about this mystic “characteristic” in the rule. There is something that overrules PEKDAS and I' m not sure what.. Haven' t care about this at all and now I' m totaly confused.

 JNAProductions wrote:

So It'd be 5*2+1=11. I may be wrong, but ultimately, it literally only matters against T6 models.

Ya this is right, I was confused for a while about it too until AoW confirmed it on one of their streams. Does kinda suck since T8 vehicles are the most common and everything minus ghaz only gets up to S14.

 flaming tadpole wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

So It'd be 5*2+1=11. I may be wrong, but ultimately, it literally only matters against T6 models.

Ya this is right, I was confused for a while about it too until AoW confirmed it on one of their streams. Does kinda suck since T8 vehicles are the most common and everything minus ghaz only gets up to S14.

Ghaz actually has s7 on hi first bracket. Means he can still get s16 on the charge on waaaagh if he still has 7+ wounds.

 koooaei wrote:

 flaming tadpole wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

So It'd be 5*2+1=11. I may be wrong, but ultimately, it literally only matters against T6 models.

Ya this is right, I was confused for a while about it too until AoW confirmed it on one of their streams. Does kinda suck since T8 vehicles are the most common and everything minus ghaz only gets up to S14.

Ghaz actually has s7 on hi first bracket. Means he can still get s16 on the charge on waaaagh if he still has 7+ wounds.

yee, that’s why I said everything minus ghaz.

Me again with another noob question. Can I use the Tellpyporta strat more than once, since it's during deployment and not in a phase?

 flaming tadpole wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

 flaming tadpole wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

So It'd be 5*2+1=11. I may be wrong, but ultimately, it literally only matters against T6 models.

Ya this is right, I was confused for a while about it too until AoW confirmed it on one of their streams. Does kinda suck since T8 vehicles are the most common and everything minus ghaz only gets up to S14.

Ghaz actually has s7 on hi first bracket. Means he can still get s16 on the charge on waaaagh if he still has 7+ wounds.

yee, that’s why I said everything minus ghaz.

Oh, sorry, I misread.
Anywayz, I feel that 3+ to wound is good enough.

 PaddyMick wrote:
Me again with another noob question. Can I use the Tellpyporta strat more than once, since it's during deployment and not in a phase?

Yes, you can use it on multiple units prior to the start of the game to have them in deep strike.

Thanks Grimskul.

Here's another one. If I have a Blood Axe Gorkanaut benefiting from this clan culture rule:

'Units with this kultur are eligible to shoot or declare a charge with (but not both) in a turn in which they Fell Back.'

...and this datasheet rule:

'This model is eligible to declare a charge in a turn in which it Fell Back.'

Does that mean I can fall back and use the first rule to shoot, and in the same turn, use the datasheet rule to charge? Or does the wording of the first rule preclude me doing so?

Ta

All titanic models, i believe, can fall back and shoot. And a regular gorkanaut has the rule that allows it to fall back and charge.

So if im not mistaken, even without blood axes, they can fall back, shoot and charge.

Yup, Beardedragon got it right in terms of the ruleset. Blood Axes kultur pretty much does nothing for a Gorkanaut besides make it gain Light Cover if you're outside of 18" from an enemy unit. So you're really better off with most other Kulturs like Deffskullz or Goffs if you want to make the most of a klan trait for them in an Arks of Omen detachment.

Thanks chaps, you are right of course, it's in the core rules. I'm Blood Axes all the way though, for better or worse.

Hows everyone enjoying the new Meta? Anyone come up with any counter strategies for Space Marines?

SemperMortis wrote:
Hows everyone enjoying the new Meta? Anyone come up with any counter strategies for Space Marines?

I feel like we can deal with most of the factions decently well except DA. I have no clue how we’re supposed to deal with 50 deathwing termies with obsec aside from spamming MW’s which we don’t have a ton of compared to other armies. Only thing that came to mind was using ghaz and a bunch of tankbustaz for the Hail Mary unbridled carnage + tankbusta bomb strat and hope you roll 5+ for the tankhammer/bomb. I know that interpretation is also highly controversial though so may not get away with it with every TO.

 flaming tadpole wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
Hows everyone enjoying the new Meta? Anyone come up with any counter strategies for Space Marines?

I feel like we can deal with most of the factions decently well except DA. I have no clue how we’re supposed to deal with 50 deathwing termies with obsec aside from spamming MW’s which we don’t have a ton of compared to other armies. Only thing that came to mind was using ghaz and a bunch of tankbustaz for the Hail Mary unbridled carnage + tankbusta bomb strat and hope you roll 5+ for the tankhammer/bomb. I know that interpretation is also highly controversial though so may not get away with it with every TO.

You want to spam rokkits for DA termies. Every failed rokkit will be a dead SM since it's 3W model. Obviously this is easier said then done. It's not an easy match. Also you can't use bust stratagem unless it has a the vehicle key word. Ideally you want has much D3 weapons as possible but we lack a fair bit. Scrapjets and kannonwagon also come to mind.

I don't recall if DA have MW FNP, but double kill rig might be also another good unit since it generally causes a lot of MW. It also has a lot of D3 weapons. But i am honestly not sure if DA was a luck last AoO, I am a bit surprised IG with auto wounding did not delete most of those blobs...

Good catch on the bust strat, think I was getting it confused with another army.

DA don't have any defense against MW that I'm aware of. The problem with rokkits is still the ap unfortunately. Even going all out firing 60 rokkit shots a turn your only gonna kill 3 termies on average because of SS, one of which will get revived next turn. Killrigs could do ok(ish) into that specific build, but then get instakilled against any other top SM faction like iron hands, smurfs, templars, SW, or ravenwing. I haven't actually tried greentide against it. I'll probably be playing a game against it in the next week or so, I just don't see how that matchup goes well for me at all, but might be overestimating it.

 flaming tadpole wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
Hows everyone enjoying the new Meta? Anyone come up with any counter strategies for Space Marines?

I feel like we can deal with most of the factions decently well except DA. I have no clue how we’re supposed to deal with 50 deathwing termies with obsec aside from spamming MW’s which we don’t have a ton of compared to other armies. Only thing that came to mind was using ghaz and a bunch of tankbustaz for the Hail Mary unbridled carnage + tankbusta bomb strat and hope you roll 5+ for the tankhammer/bomb. I know that interpretation is also highly controversial though so may not get away with it with every TO.

im pretty sure that theres a rule out there that states, that any attack that gives exploding sixes or otherwise generate extra hits, hit with any specific rules. Ergo you wouldnt get double tankhammer hits because thats a special rule that incurs when you hit. Same for tankbusta bomb stratagem. It has a special rule when it hits, so the exploding six/five wouldnt do anything, because extra hits arent made with specific rules.

I think i have it on my phone as a picture somewhere.

New Competitive Innovations.

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-teamup-ark/

One ork list in the results from Northern Warlords Teams. Tom Higginbottom was a part of the team scored 2nd.

Selection of the mostly oldschool infantry + some beastsnagga boyz in Wagons and Trukk.

Nobz again on scene. This time in squads of 8 = 4 x PK + 4 x Big Choppa. No trukkboyz. Just Orrible Gitz on Grots.

flaming tadpole wrote:Good catch on the bust strat, think I was getting it confused with another army.

DA don't have any defense against MW that I'm aware of. The problem with rokkits is still the ap unfortunately. Even going all out firing 60 rokkit shots a turn your only gonna kill 3 termies on average because of SS, one of which will get revived next turn. Killrigs could do ok(ish) into that specific build, but then get instakilled against any other top SM faction like iron hands, smurfs, templars, SW, or ravenwing. I haven't actually tried greentide against it. I'll probably be playing a game against it in the next week or so, I just don't see how that matchup goes well for me at all, but might be overestimating it.

Deth dreads? But their viability is questionable.. Killa Kans with rokkits think becomes really good in this situation.

Beardedragon wrote:

 flaming tadpole wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
Hows everyone enjoying the new Meta? Anyone come up with any counter strategies for Space Marines?

I feel like we can deal with most of the factions decently well except DA. I have no clue how we’re supposed to deal with 50 deathwing termies with obsec aside from spamming MW’s which we don’t have a ton of compared to other armies. Only thing that came to mind was using ghaz and a bunch of tankbustaz for the Hail Mary unbridled carnage + tankbusta bomb strat and hope you roll 5+ for the tankhammer/bomb. I know that interpretation is also highly controversial though so may not get away with it with every TO.

im pretty sure that theres a rule out there that states, that any attack that gives exploding sixes or otherwise generate extra hits, hit with any specific rules. Ergo you wouldnt get double tankhammer hits because thats a special rule that incurs when you hit. Same for tankbusta bomb stratagem. It has a special rule when it hits, so the exploding six/five wouldnt do anything, because extra hits arent made with specific rules.

I think i have it on my phone as a picture somewhere.

I think your talking of this:
Each time the bearer fights, it can only make 1 attack with this weapon. If that attack hits, the target unit suffers D6 mortal wounds and the bearer is destroyed.

and this interaction from goffs:
Each time a model with this kultur makes a melee attack, an unmodified hit roll of 6 scores 1 additional hit.

Can see it going either way, the issue is the first, model is removed on a hit, so it can be argued the 2 hit never happens.

You don't get any other rules that trigger on specific rolls(say 6 to hit=extra hit, 6 to hit=mw. Only 1 MW comes out from this).

Tankbusta is more interesting one as it's not specific roll. But as core rule is one attack at a time followed by 1 wound at a time and 1 save at a time(fast rolling is optional way) once first hit is resolved you are dead so can you resolve 2nd hit with dead model?

Well don't know, don't particularly care either way. But checking over FAQ I only found regarding rules that trigger on specific rolls with exploding hits.

Forceride wrote:

flaming tadpole wrote:Good catch on the bust strat, think I was getting it confused with another army.

DA don't have any defense against MW that I'm aware of. The problem with rokkits is still the ap unfortunately. Even going all out firing 60 rokkit shots a turn your only gonna kill 3 termies on average because of SS, one of which will get revived next turn. Killrigs could do ok(ish) into that specific build, but then get instakilled against any other top SM faction like iron hands, smurfs, templars, SW, or ravenwing. I haven't actually tried greentide against it. I'll probably be playing a game against it in the next week or so, I just don't see how that matchup goes well for me at all, but might be overestimating it.

Deth dreads? But their viability is questionable.. Killa Kans with rokkits think becomes really good in this situation.

Beardedragon wrote:

 flaming tadpole wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
Hows everyone enjoying the new Meta? Anyone come up with any counter strategies for Space Marines?

I feel like we can deal with most of the factions decently well except DA. I have no clue how we’re supposed to deal with 50 deathwing termies with obsec aside from spamming MW’s which we don’t have a ton of compared to other armies. Only thing that came to mind was using ghaz and a bunch of tankbustaz for the Hail Mary unbridled carnage + tankbusta bomb strat and hope you roll 5+ for the tankhammer/bomb. I know that interpretation is also highly controversial though so may not get away with it with every TO.

im pretty sure that theres a rule out there that states, that any attack that gives exploding sixes or otherwise generate extra hits, hit with any specific rules. Ergo you wouldnt get double tankhammer hits because thats a special rule that incurs when you hit. Same for tankbusta bomb stratagem. It has a special rule when it hits, so the exploding six/five wouldnt do anything, because extra hits arent made with specific rules.

I think i have it on my phone as a picture somewhere.

I think your talking of this:
Each time the bearer fights, it can only make 1 attack with this weapon. If that attack hits, the target unit suffers D6 mortal wounds and the bearer is destroyed.

and this interaction from goffs:
Each time a model with this kultur makes a melee attack, an unmodified hit roll of 6 scores 1 additional hit.

Can see it going either way, the issue is the first, model is removed on a hit, so it can be argued the 2 hit never happens.

No im talking about an actual rare rules that states that when an attack generates extra attacks, those extra attacks dont hit with any specific rules.

Only 2 relevant i found. If you can find others feel free to post.

SemperMortis wrote:
Hows everyone enjoying the new Meta? Anyone come up with any counter strategies for Space Marines?

No yet. The best we can discuss is this few days old Goonhammer analysis of orks.
Speaking of Orks, Goonhammer is usually out of line. But this time, Ben Jurek and Mark Perry are speaking, so let' s take it seriously for a while.

https://www.goonhammer.com/orks-of-omen-faction-focus-orks/

They suggest 3 elementary option for AoO ork lists

- goff and deathskull preasure lists spamming tons of small infantry with beastboyz and killrigs. And some squigriders. One focuse on krumping, second on obsec elite and fast attack infantry.

It' s a pitty, non of these options shows the Wagon options and the options without killrigs/squig riders. We saw them already as effective.


- Mark Perry suggest the refresh of Freeboota list.


Freebooterz aren’t dead. While this list isn’t as straightforward as the first two, it has the tools to create some incredibly explosive turns. Use the kanz to trigger the kultur trait and the let the rest of the list go absolutely berserk. This list also takes full advantage of their trait in melee as well.

Well, I' m not so persuaded about this. Definitely not about the list. Big squads of buggies does not work. RSBs in big squad are big waste of points. Ghazzy seems go be like “let' s spent 300p to make it fast”. EDIT: GOSH! I' m blind! Ghazzy has a great synergy there!
FB list roks about boosting both - melee and shooting - and only GREAT WAAGH Do the job!

However, the idea of spamming small units that can benefit from +1 to hit in both phases is an interesting idea. So lets think about it for a while.

Such list needs something to trigger it. Some kind of shooting unit with BS 4+ and good melee.
They suggest Kans with Skorchas. No idea why honestly, they are slow and short range so it is pretty hard to trigger something.
My suggestion is to use Mek gunz or Kannonwagons. Burnaboyz in Trukk could be also interesting, but can the units in transport trigger FB trait? No idea.

The rest of the army should be
A) ready to score
B) benefit well from +1 to hit = units with bad BS and WS because the worse the stat is, the bigger efect of +1 to hit is (5+ to 4+ is 50% rise, 3+ to 2+ is just 25% rise)

So I think there should be
- more (beast)boyz for obsec bodies
- all kind of PK /Killsaw elite infantry benefiting more from negating of -1 to hit on them.
- units/machines that benefit in both phases. Scrapjets seems fine. But what about deffdreads with KMBs? KMB is assault, can fire in CC..
- Lootas are fine, score bitz and benefit from +1 to hit well.
- effect on Mega Dreads is also interesting, especially with their impressive “13,5 in average” charge.
- small squads of Koptas benefit a lot in both melee nad shooting!
- Hmmm and what about the LOW? Nauts benefit pretty well from +1 to hit! I'm looking at you Morkanaut!

Freebootas have a great relic - anti-obsec banner. Such list should use it!

What is the final conclusion about FB trait and transports? Can the passengers trigger it? Can they benefit from it?


But what is the gameplan of such Freeboota list?

Board control and score Bits and kill - same like Goffs but with bigger accent on shooting than on krumpin?



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This could be the kind of the FB list that can work. Disadventage? Spamming target that is a current meta.

Yes, burna boyz in a trukk can trigger Freebootas.

No detatchment ability is toggled off because they are in a transport. Its written somewhere in a rule.

There is fresh extra CI with Tyler Russo go 3rd with Goffs + little bit of speaking about it..

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-extra-captaincon-2023/

Question for all of us - Powe Klaws or Big Choppas on your Nobz? Obviously the question of price!

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 Tomsug wrote:
There is fresh extra CI with Tyler Russo go 3rd with Goffs + little bit of speaking about it..

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-extra-captaincon-2023/

Question for all of us - Powe Klaws or Big Choppas on your Nobz? Obviously the question of price!

Spoiler:

++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Orks) [110 PL, 1,998pts, 4CP] ++
+ Configuration +

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Fast Attack

Clan Kultur: Goffs

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

+ Stratagems +

Stratagem: Heroic Support: Speedboss

+ HQ +

Boss Zagstruk [6 PL, 110pts]: Blitz Missiles, Choppa, Da Vulcha’s Klaws, Slugga

Ghazghkull Thraka [15 PL, 300pts]: Gork’s Klaw, Mork’s Roar, Proper Killy (Goffs), Stikkbombs, Warlord

Warboss on Warbike [6 PL, 115pts, -2CP]: 4. Brutal but Kunnin, Da Killa Klaw, 2x Dakkagun, Power Klaw, Stratagem: Big Boss, Stratagem: Extra Gubbinz

+ Troops +

Beast Snagga Boyz [5 PL, 100pts]
. 9x Beast Snagga Boy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga
. Beast Snagga Nob: Power Snappa, Slugga

Beast Snagga Boyz [5 PL, 100pts]
. 9x Beast Snagga Boy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga
. Beast Snagga Nob: Power Snappa, Slugga

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

+ Elites +

Kommandos [8 PL, 125pts]: Bomb Squig
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. 8x Kommando: 8x Choppa, 8x Slugga, 8x Stikkbombs
. Kommando w/ Breacha Ram: Breacha Ram, Stikkbombs

Nobz [12 PL, 173pts]: Trukk Boyz
. Boss Nob: Choppa, Power Klaw, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Choppa, Power Klaw, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Choppa, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Choppa, Power Klaw, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Choppa, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Choppa, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Choppa, Power Klaw, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Choppa, Stikkbombs
. Nob: Big Choppa, Choppa, Stikkbombs

+ Fast Attack +

Squighog Boyz [4 PL, 80pts]: Bomb Squig
. 3x Squighog Boy: 3x Saddlegit Weapons, 3x Squighog Jaws, 3x Stikka

Squighog Boyz [4 PL, 80pts]: Bomb Squig
. 3x Squighog Boy: 3x Saddlegit Weapons, 3x Squighog Jaws, 3x Stikka

Stormboyz [6 PL, 110pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. 9x Stormboy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs

Stormboyz [3 PL, 60pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. 4x Stormboy: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs

Stormboyz [3 PL, 60pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw, Slugga, Stikkbombs
. 4x Stormboy: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs

+ Heavy Support +

Kill Rig [12 PL, 205pts]: ‘Eavy Lobba, 2. Frazzle, 6. Squiggly Curse, Butcha Boyz, Savage Horns and Hooves, Saw Blades, Squig-hide Tyres, Stikka Kannon, Wurrtower

Kill Rig [11 PL, 190pts]: ‘Eavy Lobba, 2. Frazzle, 6. Squiggly Curse, Butcha Boyz, Savage Horns and Hooves, Saw Blades, Stikka Kannon, Wurrtower

+ Dedicated Transport +

Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]: Big Shoota

++ Total: [110 PL, 3CP, 1,998pts] ++

I rather bring big choppas, your hitting most of the time in 3, wounding on 2 doing 2 damage. If your opponent isn't careful they pay themselves easily. Their an easy throw away unit that punches above itself. If your meta is t8 rich, then yeah bring claws, although at this point your competing with meganobz. If you add +1 to hit, re-rolls, +1A from waagh and more S their even more deadly. Also they have a sturdy profile and cheap for cost. Squads of 5 if foot slogging 10 if in transport. The big choppa easily reaches S9 so only the really tough stuff will be on 4 and only claws work there. Also both claws and choppa do the same damage. The real question isn't if it is better or not, generally it is if you want more or less ap.

I also cames to the conclusion that nob on smasha squid with axe relic and brutal but kuning trait is a monster. 5d 1MW on 4+ charge, S11 (12 in waagh) on charge 4+1+2 (+1 in waagh) attacks repeating if fail + 1MW on 6 to wound, exploding 6...and that's with out buffs. All in a nice package of 65pts and 2cp.

Way cheaper then the boss on bike and benefits of things like squigg transhuman and other buffs, + spells on top.. ehehe GG. Last game killed around 300pts.. Crazy. And I don't have the model for spell support.

I am also landing in the conclusion, some one mentioned a way back that squiggboys magic number is 4, for 105pts a steal and also punchy and devastating if the opponent also ignores + with access to transhuman. Every time my opponent goes out of his way to shoot a group i carefully hidden, it always takes a brutal punishment, don't forget with -1 damage, 3W and transhuman it can take massive amount of damage, you need D4 weapons and it's always on the 6+inv. I need testing it might be that a max squad might be better, but that L...

Currently i am looking for defensive tools and ways to make my stuff survive. In honestly we are fine in the damage department ever since AoO, i am looking at makari and kustom forcefield and other tools at the moment. 5+ inv + 6 FNP seem the way to go, added bonus FNP affects kill rig!

Played in a 1000pt tourney today and realized that foot slogging orks are crazy slow.

1) Are people putting 20 orks in battlewagons or just 10?

2) Also boyz vs beast snaggas. Why do you never go just regular boyz?

3) Were do we get our killing from. Honestly my boyz were my mvp

My list was

Warboss
10 boyz pk
10 boys pk
10 bsnagga
10 bsnagga
10 gretchin
10 kommandos pk br bs
10 kommandos pk br bs
3 meganobz
3 squigboyz
3 squigboyz

Got shot off table turn 4 every game but scored well. If i bump it to 2k im assuming 2 bwagons, 1 trukk.

Squighog boyz id bump to 4, snagga died just as quick as boyz and if i can save 10 pts i might as well
It seems.

Kommandos i need to play better. Mis placement on my part hurt them a lot. To aggressive and calling
Waaagh at right time for survivability.

Incognito15 wrote:
Played in a 1000pt tourney today and realized that foot slogging orks are crazy slow.

1) Are people putting 20 orks in battlewagons or just 10?

2) Also boyz vs beast snaggas. Why do you never go just regular boyz?

3) Were do we get our killing from. Honestly my boyz were my mvp

My list was

Warboss
10 boyz pk
10 boys pk
10 bsnagga
10 bsnagga
10 gretchin
10 kommandos pk br bs
10 kommandos pk br bs
3 meganobz
3 squigboyz
3 squigboyz

Got shot off table turn 4 every game but scored well. If i bump it to 2k im assuming 2 bwagons, 1 trukk.

Squighog boyz id bump to 4, snagga died just as quick as boyz and if i can save 10 pts i might as well
It seems.

Kommandos i need to play better. Mis placement on my part hurt them a lot. To aggressive and calling
Waaagh at right time for survivability.

I put 5 meganobs and 10 grots in my battlewagons, and the grots jump out end of turn 1 to start scoring. To my knowledge the general consensus is to max out the transport capacity of your wagons.

Boys aren't really taken because everything else is simply better. For example, for 10 points more than a boyz unit with a PK, Snaggas gets you +1S, and a bonus against vehicles and monsters. I'd pay those 10 points every time if I was running more than just grots because you're almost almost getting more out of your points with Snaggas if they make combat. Then you have all of the other Boy-chassis units that are also way better than boys for 1-2ppm more. They did have a little niche as Trukkboyz, but they're being overtaken in that role now by Nobs and Meganobs.

As far as killing goes for a melee list like yours; squigs, warboss, nobs, and to a lesser extent the kommandos. Don't worry about killing stuff in general, focus on the units that will stop you scoring as much as you possibly can each turn. We have a really strong VP game at the moment.

For mobility, have you considered trying to squeeze a Weirdboy into your list? If you were to drop a unit of boys, change the other boyz PK to a second choppa, and drop the breacha rams, you can fit in a Weirdboy and a second unit of grots. It's not ideal, but proxy some bits and try it out.

Mobility is the key. Mobile army controls the game. Slow one just walls and die.

Stormboyz, wagons and trukks, squigriders, warbikers, koptas, antyhing that is fast and give you a chance to do whta YOU want..

I dont feel the gap between 10 nobz w big choppas and 20 boyz is that big

On waagh turn and turn after
Vs t4/5
Nobs do 11 wounds
Boyz do 16 d1 wounds, 2 d2 wounds on avg vs 3+ save

Vs t7/8
Nobs do 9w
Boyz do 12 d1 wounds, 2 d2 wounds on avg vs 3+ save

Your also getting two units with obsec vs one unit.

Or am i missing something?

Incognito15 wrote:
I dont feel the gap between 10 nobz w big choppas and 20 boyz is that big

On waagh turn and turn after
Vs t4/5
Nobs do 11 wounds
Boyz do 16 d1 wounds, 2 d2 wounds on avg vs 3+ save

Vs t7/8
Nobs do 9w
Boyz do 12 d1 wounds, 2 d2 wounds on avg vs 3+ save

Your also getting two units with obsec vs one unit.

Or am i missing something?

The boys are far more vulnerable to both morale and blasts than the Nobs are. The Nobs can also continue to do their damage after the Waaagh has ended, and you're far more likely to be able to actually get all of the Nobs into engagement range than you are 20 boys.

Incognito15 wrote:
I dont feel the gap between 10 nobz w big choppas and 20 boyz is that big

On waagh turn and turn after
Vs t4/5
Nobs do 11 wounds
Boyz do 16 d1 wounds, 2 d2 wounds on avg vs 3+ save

Vs t7/8
Nobs do 9w
Boyz do 12 d1 wounds, 2 d2 wounds on avg vs 3+ save

Your also getting two units with obsec vs one unit.

Or am i missing something?

Wish you the best of luck trying to hide 20 boys + making them survive + being able to envelope a unit to make the most out of them for all those choppas and claw to work!

Incognito15 wrote:
I dont feel the gap between 10 nobz w big choppas and 20 boyz is that big

On waagh turn and turn after
Vs t4/5
Nobs do 11 wounds
Boyz do 16 d1 wounds, 2 d2 wounds on avg vs 3+ save

Vs t7/8
Nobs do 9w
Boyz do 12 d1 wounds, 2 d2 wounds on avg vs 3+ save

Your also getting two units with obsec vs one unit.

Or am i missing something?

Nobs are three attacks and S5 base. You can give them a Big Choppa and a Choppa.
Boys are two attacks and S4 base. They all have Choppas. And one Nob, at three attacks S5 with Klaw and Choppa.
Waagh! gives +1 Strength and Attack.

Nobs vs T4 3+
40 S8 AP-1 D2 attacks, 10 S6 AP-1 D1 attacks
80/3 and 20/3 hits
400/18 or 200/9 D2 wounds and 40/9 D1 wounds
200/18 or 100/9 D2 failed saves and 40/18 or 20/9 D1 failed saves
That's 12 dead MEQ.

Boys vs T4 3+
77 S5-6 AP-1 D1 attacks, 4 S11 AP-3 D2 attacks at -1 to-hit
154/3 and 2 hits
308/9 D1 and 10/6 or 5/3 D2 wounds
154/9 D1 failed saves and 25/18 D2 failed saves
Kills about 9-10 MEQ.

Nobs vs T5 3+
40 S8 AP-1 D2 attacks, 10 S6 AP-1 D1 attacks
80/3 and 20/3 hits
160/9 and 40/9 wounds
80/9 D2 failed saves and 20/9 D1 failed saves
Assuming a W3 target, that's 5 and some change Gravis killed

Boys vs. T5 3+
76 S5 AP-1 D1 attacks, 4 S11 AP-3 D2 attacks at -1 to-hit, and 1 S6 AP-1 D1 attack
152/3, 2, and 2/3 hits
76/3, 5/3, and 4/9 wounds
38/3, 25/18, and 2/9 failed saves
Assuming Klaw goes first, that's a little under 5 dead Gravis models

Nobs are, for the same points, killier.

Ah i did miss the choppa on nobz.

Yes its killier but when your killing 9/10 or 11 is it really that valuable? When with 2 squads you can be in different spots and hitting two squads at once along with obsec.

You need a transport for both because orks are crazy slow so survivability is practically same.

Not saying boyz are better just with game being so heavy on actions and objectives its interesting to see obsec and bodies being replaced by a ~10% dmg output.

Incognito15 wrote:
Ah i did miss the choppa on nobz.

Yes its killier but when your killing 9/10 or 11 is it really that valuable? When with 2 squads you can be in different spots and hitting two squads at once along with obsec.

You need a transport for both because orks are crazy slow so survivability is practically same.

Not saying boyz are better just with game being so heavy on actions and objectives its interesting to see obsec and bodies being replaced by a ~10% dmg output.

Depends on what your target's are, but in general nobz will be landing more attacks and each attack is D2, that means against something like marines you have to land 2 choppas versus 1 big choppa. The more wounds they have and or higher save the trickier it gets for choppas. This makes choppas better in some cases and in other's big choppas are better. To me most of the time you want D2 because most units in the game are multi wound these days.

Considering the profiles you would say the biggest strength of the boys is their wounds, but duo to morale changes for orcs this is out of the window, and your more easily going to lose 10 boyz then 5 nobz, the difference is marginal but sufficient to save the unit versus losing it entirely.

The other thing is, your thinking you want to be on waaagghh right of the gate, this is not always the case, so boys will rely on their T not their S, while nobz have both, add the issues with moral, boyz won't cut it, also you lose damage faster for each boy down then the nobz making it it even worst and making it even more important to keep them alive since you need every hit to make them worth it.

The problem with boyz isn't their damage, ideally they should be a damage sponge and absorb damage but fail at this role. Where they shine is against multi damage low shot weapons, since each body will take a shot, so boy's overrun, but in the current meta at least, this is very rare.

Question for the more enlightened on the rules, for purposes of brutal but kunning trait, are the repeating attacks made by this trait affected by engagement range? I had a situation in another game where my opponent pointed out that the repeating attacks happen after removal of the models so if the the model isn't in engagement range of any model, they never happen. But i am under the impression that the repeating attacks happen before the removal...

Forceride wrote:

Question for the more enlightened on the rules, for purposes of brutal but kunning trait, are the repeating attacks made by this trait affected by engagement range? I had a situation in another game where my opponent pointed out that the repeating attacks happen after removal of the models so if the the model isn't in engagement range of any model, they never happen. But i am under the impression that the repeating attacks happen before the removal...

All attacks from a model (against the same target) are considered happening at the same time, even the extra ones. As long as you started your Attacks in range of your target you're gonna dump everything you get into them. If someone tries to argue about it point out that you're supposed to roll attacks one at a time, so people could just kill the model you're in engagement range on your first hit and deny you all your other attacks if it worked that way (which it obviously doesn't)

CI part 1 this week has one orks

Beachhead Brawl 2023 – SCS - 13th is Joshua Cowlard with tons od Deathskull Nobz in Wagon and Trukk + bunch of Killa Kans

And part of the Nobz has Big Choppas and another part Klaws

How do you guys handle a csm terminator deathstar? Had can only be hit on 4s, wound -1, 5++ fnp,

I tried bubble wrapping it and not charging. Didnt really work. I threw a meganobz unit and a boyz squad and killed 2 but then he healed and brought one back next turn.

Just wondered others experience.

It was emperors children.

Incognito15 wrote:
How do you guys handle a csm terminator deathstar? Had can only be hit on 4s, wound -1, 5++ fnp,

I tried bubble wrapping it and not charging. Didnt really work. I threw a meganobz unit and a boyz squad and killed 2 but then he healed and brought one back next turn.

Just wondered others experience.

It was emperors children.

wait for a turn where they fail their buffs, or do not engage any more than you have to.
kill the buffers, kill everything else and just speed bump them as much as possible.

terennNashMade mentioned some of the ways. Bare in mind their slow units so you can ignore them and move somewhere else. you can negate some of the buffs too, using bosses for +1, stratagems -1W comes to mind and you can give 3 units the stratagem, and also plink them with shooting.

Anything shooting with 3D or 2D, even missing a lot will grind them slowly. Just don't smash into them since most of the time their the cutch of the army and fully buffed their near impossible to take.

MW spam also works with a good charge of nob on smasha + kill rig

meckguns/defkotas/squigbuggies/kill rig

Incognito15 wrote:
How do you guys handle a csm terminator deathstar? Had can only be hit on 4s, wound -1, 5++ fnp,

I tried bubble wrapping it and not charging. Didnt really work. I threw a meganobz unit and a boyz squad and killed 2 but then he healed and brought one back next turn.

Just wondered others experience.

It was emperors children.

The true answer is 10 meganobz w/ double killsaws + warpath + extra dmg strat. 6 attacks each.


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you probs still won't kill that many but you'll feel like a boss

Not bad!

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Wow gsc at the top. That’s wild.

gsc at top baffles the crap out of me. Also harlies still being that high, since every harlie player i know feels like they got the "Stop playing" nerf.

Im guessing the Ynnari/harlies combo is included in that percentage. Could also be only the people playing solo harlies still are the ones who are really good with them. Either way though I agree that win percentage is definitely not indicative of what an average player will do with them.

My first game in AoO. Againts imperial Guard.

Inspired by Mike Perry idea about Freebootas, I gave it a try - synergy of FB +1 to hit in every phase and great waagh.

Orks won 85:70

List:


Conclusions:
1. kannowagons are useless. This is a list about pressure, kannonwagons sits in the back. Next time switch to battlewagons with some kind of (beast)boyz.

2. 3 small squads of Koptas are madness! Super fast and versatile. First their rokkits hits on 4+ = 6 hits 8/-3/3 each unit kill the tanks and than blades hitting on 2+ = 22,5 hits 6/-1/1 each unit. Hell!§!

3. Burnas in trukk are fine. 6-7 burnas is ok, but they have a zero synergy with the great waagh/FB combo. trukk can use the squig tyres to be faster.

4. 3xDeffDread is interesting. Skorchas with ap-2 are great but there is a problem, how to get them all in CC from DS. All drops at once but just one can use a ramming speed. One Ramming Speed is simply not enough. But for the price tag, it is a huge ammount of attacks in fight and shooting too!

6. You give up the Bring it down

wait why are koptas hitting on 4s? theyre bs5. there a +1 to hit im missing somewhere?

 Tomsug wrote:
My first game in AoO. Againts imperial Guard.

Inspired by Mike Perry idea about Freebootas, I gave it a try - synergy of FB +1 to hit in every phase and great waagh.

Orks won 85:70

List:

Spoiler:

++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Orks) [113 PL, 2,000pts, 5CP] ++

+ Configuration +

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Fast Attack

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Clan Kultur: Freebooterz

Detachment Command Cost

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

Unit Filter: Hide Legends Units

+ HQ +

Ghazghkull Thraka [15 PL, 300pts, -1CP]: Proper Killy (Goffs), Stratagem: Warlord Trait

+ Troops +

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

+ Elites +

Burna Boyz [6 PL, 60pts]: Pyromaniacs
. 5x Burna Boy: 5x Burna, 5x Stikkbombs
. Spanner: Big Shoota

Kommandos [4 PL, 60pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 4x Kommando: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs

Kommandos [4 PL, 60pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 4x Kommando: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs

+ Fast Attack +

DeffKoptas [8 PL, 150pts]
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta

DeffKoptas [8 PL, 150pts]
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta

DeffKoptas [8 PL, 150pts]
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta

Warbikers [4 PL, 75pts]
. Boss Nob
. 2x Warbiker: 4x Dakkagun

Warbikers [4 PL, 75pts]
. Boss Nob
. 2x Warbiker: 4x Dakkagun

Warbikers [4 PL, 75pts]
. Boss Nob
. 2x Warbiker: 4x Dakkagun

+ Heavy Support +

Deff Dreads [18 PL, 285pts]
. Deff Dread: Dread Klaw, Dread Klaw, Skorcha, Skorcha
. Deff Dread: Dread Klaw, Dread Klaw, Skorcha, Skorcha
. Deff Dread: Dread Klaw, Dread Klaw, Skorcha, Skorcha

Kannonwagon [8 PL, 150pts]: 3x Big Shoota

Kannonwagon [8 PL, 150pts]: 3x Big Shoota

+ Dedicated Transport +

Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]

Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]

++ Total: [113 PL, 5CP, 2,000pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

Conclusions:
1. kannowagons are useless. This is a list about pressure, kannonwagons sits in the back. Next time switch to battlewagons with some kind of (beast)boyz.

2. 3 small squads of Koptas are madness! Super fast and versatile. First their rokkits hits on 4+ = 6 hits 8/-3/3 each unit kill the tanks and than blades hitting on 2+ = 22,5 hits 6/-1/1 each unit. Hell!§!

3. Burnas in trukk are fine. 6-7 burnas is ok, but they have a zero synergy with the great waagh/FB combo. trukk can use the squig tyres to be faster.

4. 3xDeffDread is interesting. Skorchas with ap-2 are great but there is a problem, how to get them all in CC from DS. All drops at once but just one can use a ramming speed. One Ramming Speed is simply not enough. But for the price tag, it is a huge ammount of attacks in fight and shooting too!

6. You give up the Bring it down

Not sure what targets you picked for the kannonwagon, but it's it's a 300pts investment, doubt their going to do much then plink the tanks, since your hiting 4, wound 4 and they probably have 5++, i can see them being good to pluck smaller units but the list looks like you have this covered. maybe mekguns would be a better option.. but if it is a pressure you probably need something else. maybe meganobz in a wagon?

I assume the 4 BS for defkotas is from freeboota..

I assume your taking the burnas to grab the +1 more easily.. but the only units benefiting are the defkoptas

You can deep strike or reserve the deff dreads... not sure any other way to work with them, you also have the cp to spare

Frankly for me the list feels all over the place :/ , you probably want to pick the claw on the bikes, works for me, not sure about you

 Vineheart01 wrote:
wait why are koptas hitting on 4s? theyre bs5. there a +1 to hit im missing somewhere?

The point of the list is that you synergy Freebootas +1 to hit in shootin and in fight phase. That is the reason for so many flamers on dreads and in the trukk. Deffdreads drop from the Tellyport, Flamers kills troops = trigger +1 to hit for Koptas.

Does not work so easy with Knight armies of course etc..


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Forceride wrote:

Not sure what targets you picked for the kannonwagon, but it's it's a 300pts investment, doubt their going to do much then plink the tanks, since your hiting 4, wound 4 and they probably have 5++, i can see them being good to pluck smaller units but the list looks like you have this covered. maybe mekguns would be a better option.. but if it is a pressure you probably need something else. maybe meganobz in a wagon?

I assume the 4 BS for defkotas is from freeboota..

I assume your taking the burnas to grab the +1 more easily.. but the only units benefiting are the defkoptas

You can deep strike or reserve the deff dreads... not sure any other way to work with them, you also have the cp to spare

Frankly for me the list feels all over the place :/ , you probably want to pick the claw on the bikes, works for me, not sure about you

Good point with KW and the wrong targets + rolls were really under average….

Frankly, for me the list is all over the place too It was a first try. The lack of synergy is a main topic.

First the disbalance “press forward vs. shoot fro, the back”. That is obvious.

Second the benefiting from the Freeboota - Great Waaagh synergy needs re-balance.
- Koptas love it!
- Deffdreads loves the +1 to hit in melee and trigger it in shooting.
- Kommandos likes beeing obsec for 1 CP (freeboota strat) and likes advance and charge.
- Warbikers benefit but they are just 3 Boyz. And their role is to drive forward like crazy and roadblock T1. So who cares.
- Burna Trukk was great, but do not benefit at all from anything
- Ghazzy is ghazzy, so no benefit from FB…

In fact, the situation is I have 8000p+ of full painted orks. But I'm not able to built any kind of classic goff lists right now So I play around with big machines I have to have some fun till I paint what I what I need for contemporary army… And if Mike Perry on Goonhammer says it can go, I go and try it

Marks idea was this:



What I see now - with FB you can make Meganobz decent shooting unit. Hell, even basic Boyz! With one Rokkit Launcha and one Kombi rokkit, Boyz sitting in Battlewagon with 4 Big Shootas are together pretty nice shooting platform that is bloody cheap and can change himself into obsec CC units after “disembark”.



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Yeah..

+20p for 4 Big shootas
+40p for kombi rokkit and rokkit in 2 Boyz squads
= +60p and you get in the Great Turn:

24 shots 5/-1/1 on 4+
4D3 = 8 rokkits 8/-2/3 hitting on 4+

This is the slightly better ammount of Dakka than a Scrapjet for 100p.

Plus you have 2x10 Boyz in Battlewagon of cours

However… INFANTRY in Wagon moving is moving too so they suffer +1 to hit on their rokkits… so You need to shoot down 2 units to get 2x +1 to mitigate that

 Tomsug wrote:
My first game in AoO. Againts imperial Guard.

Inspired by Mike Perry idea about Freebootas, I gave it a try - synergy of FB +1 to hit in every phase and great waagh.

Orks won 85:70

List:

Spoiler:

++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Orks) [113 PL, 2,000pts, 5CP] ++

+ Configuration +

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Fast Attack

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Clan Kultur: Freebooterz

Detachment Command Cost

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

Unit Filter: Hide Legends Units

+ HQ +

Ghazghkull Thraka [15 PL, 300pts, -1CP]: Proper Killy (Goffs), Stratagem: Warlord Trait

+ Troops +

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

+ Elites +

Burna Boyz [6 PL, 60pts]: Pyromaniacs
. 5x Burna Boy: 5x Burna, 5x Stikkbombs
. Spanner: Big Shoota

Kommandos [4 PL, 60pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 4x Kommando: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs

Kommandos [4 PL, 60pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 4x Kommando: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs

+ Fast Attack +

DeffKoptas [8 PL, 150pts]
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta

DeffKoptas [8 PL, 150pts]
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta

DeffKoptas [8 PL, 150pts]
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta

Warbikers [4 PL, 75pts]
. Boss Nob
. 2x Warbiker: 4x Dakkagun

Warbikers [4 PL, 75pts]
. Boss Nob
. 2x Warbiker: 4x Dakkagun

Warbikers [4 PL, 75pts]
. Boss Nob
. 2x Warbiker: 4x Dakkagun

+ Heavy Support +

Deff Dreads [18 PL, 285pts]
. Deff Dread: Dread Klaw, Dread Klaw, Skorcha, Skorcha
. Deff Dread: Dread Klaw, Dread Klaw, Skorcha, Skorcha
. Deff Dread: Dread Klaw, Dread Klaw, Skorcha, Skorcha

Kannonwagon [8 PL, 150pts]: 3x Big Shoota

Kannonwagon [8 PL, 150pts]: 3x Big Shoota

+ Dedicated Transport +

Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]

Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]

++ Total: [113 PL, 5CP, 2,000pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

This list feels all over the place. You're trying to maximise the benefit of the +1 in each phase, and it looks like this list wouldn't be able to do that at all. You've loaded up on units that can trigger the +1, but you've only really got a handful of deffkoptas to actually use the +1. I don't think Ghaz really adds anything here that a Speedboss isn't already adding other than beatstick potential. Mek Guns are strictly superior to Kannonwagons in this list in my opinion as well.

I would look at focusing either on melee +1, or shooting +1, but not both. It spreads your focus too much to split.

It does look like you have a strong VP game though, so if you round out the edges on what's triggering the +1 and what's then benefiting from it then it should be a strong list.

 Afrodactyl wrote:

This list feels all over the place. You're trying to maximise the benefit of the +1 in each phase, and it looks like this list wouldn't be able to do that at all. You've loaded up on units that can trigger the +1, but you've only really got a handful of deffkoptas to actually use the +1. I don't think Ghaz really adds anything here that a Speedboss isn't already adding other than beatstick potential. Mek Guns are strictly superior to Kannonwagons in this list in my opinion as well.

I would look at focusing either on melee +1, or shooting +1, but not both. It spreads your focus too much to split.

It does look like you have a strong VP game though, so if you round out the edges on what's triggering the +1 and what's then benefiting from it then it should be a strong list.

Spreading focus - yes, that is definitely an issue. And the main topic.

Mek Gunz - nope, static and no infantry fire. KW is a different kind of unit.

Ghazzy vs. Speedboss - nope. Ghazzy gives Koptas +1 A and +1 S. Similar benefit to Deff Dreads.

The more I play with it, it is basicly all about 2 turns of kopta carnage.

Each Kopta Attack rolls 3 hits so Waaaagh actually add 3 attacks to each kopta. Ghazzy + FB makes koptas from 6x 3+ 5/-1/1 => 9x 2+ 6/-1/1 =>> shift from 2,22 killed GEQ to 5,2 killed GEQ per kopta.

Simple squad of 3 koptas kills 15,6 GEQ, you have 3 squads = 46,8 killed GEQ per turn. And you have 2 turns of this, so just kopta blades kills 93,6 GEQs in Waagh turns.

Plus you have a full speedwaagh of rokkit shooting = 3x3x2D3 = 36 shots hitting on 4+ = 18 hits 8/-3/3

That is nothing to despise.

Enough to build a super strong list? Chmmmm… not sure…

There is one more issue - FB lists suffer with triggering the +1 to hit. Well, IG is nice target. But how about the Knights? Termies? Custodes? There are armies, you really have a problem to trigger it. And that is a big issue.


KOMMANDOS AND TERRAIN
We gave a try to GW terrain setup with 4 big squares of ruins.

Nobody can discuss how to play with Kommandos without mentioning the type of the terrain he use. Playing Kommandos in such terrains is a totaly different game than in WTC Lshapes. Kommandos loves the GW squares.

Your biggest issue will always be T8, that's why i mentioned claws.

God forbid if your opponent brings T9 or -1W.

There are options, you can put a stack of boys with a big mek with blasters and KMB, put them in a truck and truckboy's and it's firing on 3 with out freeboota.

Shockjump dragstas/ scrappjets look better on these instances. Wazboom as well if you don't mind turn 2.

I can see why you bring gazz, but i am not sure you really need him in your list, great waagh is a really good buff but your missing some good stuff for hitting in melee so am not sure, plus you can cover the melee part with a cheaper boss. Guess it's down to your taste.

but i would replace kannawagon's with something anti tank.

Just go through your 8000pts and look for options.

I play a lot of kitchen sink list's myself so i tend to have to bring the most out of units.

But yeah look for an anti T8 you enjoy, that's my bet on the list. Also some character support would not hurt, your at 5cp anyway.

I actually think the list is fine how it is. The only thing I don’t like is ghaz is footslogging by himself so will die before doing anything more times than not against armies that do damage in multiple phases or are more mobile.

Other than that though the list looks solid and I’m guessing Mark built it for scoring behind enemy lines, which after playing a couple games with it in arks is an absolutely busted secondary for mobile armies. With the bikers and koptas you can get an easy 12 for it plus the auto max good bits means your in good shape to win secondaries. I’d be tempted to drop a deffdread in favor of a weird boy to da jump grot squads for a more guaranteed behind enemy lines score. In that case you could also drop both trukks for a bw for ghaz since the burnaboyz can just get da jumped too.

Forceride wrote:
There are options, you can put a stack of boys with a big mek with blasters and KMB, put them in a truck and truckboy's and it's firing on 3 with out freeboota.

Trukkboyz only gives +1 to the trukk itself not the unit inside. Unless there’s some other way your getting +1 to hit on them without FB.

It's a transport rare rule, modifiers applied to the transport also apply to embarked units.

In this instance you don't even need truck boys since FB +1 will also apply, so your shooting in +2 vs vehicles if replace boys with tankbustas and mekboy will shoot on 3.

Also agree scoring seems the aim of the list.

With regards to the Mek Guns vs Kannonwagon;

Yes Mek Guns are essentially static, but you can deploy them so that they shut off large areas of the board for your opponent. They either awkwardly step around this killzone and let your guys run rampant, or they run into it and get shot.

KW gets 15/9 S5 D1 attacks at 36" with no AP that hit on 5+, it also gets 7 (2d6) S8 AP-2 D3 shots at 60" that hit on 4+ and is Blast.

3 KMK Mek Guns get 10.5 (3d6) S8 AP-3 Dd6 shots at 36" that hit on 4+ and is Blast.

I've never had any meaningful results from big shootas, so realistically the KMKs are outshooting the KW against pretty much every target unless you roll 1s for your KMK damage rolls, or somehow the target is out of range (which basically will never happen).

Not sure what you mean about infantry fire.

If it seems like I'm trying to argue with you Tomsug, please know that I'm not. I just don't get what you're trying to describe to me with the KWs over Mek Guns thing.


With regards to the interactions between Ghaz and Deffkoptas; yeah, koptas are sick. Ghaz does stand out like a sore thumb though, how are you protecting him each game? I always found Ghaz to be a bullet magnet in the worst way regardless of how I used him.

I see there's also two trukks. Obviously the Burna boys go in one, but who goes in the second? Grots?

 Afrodactyl wrote:
With regards to the Mek Guns vs Kannonwagon;

Yes Mek Guns are essentially static, but you can deploy them so that they shut off large areas of the board for your opponent. They either awkwardly step around this killzone and let your guys run rampant, or they run into it and get shot.

KW gets 15/9 S5 D1 attacks at 36" with no AP that hit on 5+, it also gets 7 (2d6) S8 AP-2 D3 shots at 60" that hit on 4+ and is Blast.

3 KMK Mek Guns get 10.5 (3d6) S8 AP-3 Dd6 shots at 36" that hit on 4+ and is Blast.

I've never had any meaningful results from big shootas, so realistically the KMKs are outshooting the KW against pretty much every target unless you roll 1s for your KMK damage rolls, or somehow the target is out of range (which basically will never happen).

Not sure what you mean about infantry fire.

If it seems like I'm trying to argue with you Tomsug, please know that I'm not. I just don't get what you're trying to describe to me with the KWs over Mek Guns thing.


With regards to the interactions between Ghaz and Deffkoptas; yeah, koptas are sick. Ghaz does stand out like a sore thumb though, how are you protecting him each game? I always found Ghaz to be a bullet magnet in the worst way regardless of how I used him.

It's absolutely fine, we re comparing are experiences

Mek Guns vs. Kannonwagons - well, 36” is not all ober the board. IG, Tau, etc. has longer range on faster platforms. Deploy behind the corner, wait where you put the Guns and than move and shoot them down. I played Smashaguns a lot in the old days of SMG spam on the end of 8th so I know a drill a lot. I did experiments with KMKs in 9th too. 48” was the protection. 36” is risky. That is the reason nobody play it now, especially with pretty dense terrain nowadays.

KW is about 5” long platform moving 12” and shooting 60” that is great and allow you to choose the important targets. The gun is wors itself but the platform is better.

And Big shootas? Hey man! They are great! in FB list they will propably shoot down teleported Karskins with 18 shots hitting on 4+= 9 hits = 5 dead GEQs. Definitely not bad!

The question is - do we need 350p sitting back and screening/shooting?

Ghazzy - how to keep him alive? No idea honestly. Behind the wall is the best I have. But he is bloody slow. And he is a bullet magnet like a hell. The mine especially, because is painted red. And the red does not help him with the speed at all..


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Anyway - both Kannonwagons and Ghazzy are together about 650p. I doubt more and more about their ROI.

I give a try pure shooting variation and pure waaagh variation too.


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Picture more than thousand words.
This is our table from the last game.
- Dark blue is the coverage by fire from 5 KMKs for 225p starting behind cover and move 3” to fire.
- Light Blue are 2 Kannonwagons for 300p doing the same but cannot move in both direction in the same time so one corridor will be always without the fire cover.
- Red is where KMKs cannot reach.

Conclusion:
- The difference of coverage is important.
— n.5 is the only one able to cover the objective in the opponents part but is so close, that will die after single turn of shooting.
— n.1 can cover the etrance to my half but any long range shooting is a problem. In this case, there are Russes with 48” Lascannons, 72” Battlecannons and 36” Plasma cannons.
- KMKs deliver 6,6xD6 shots vs. 4D6 from KW.
- KW can concentrate the fire in the middle coridor in a single turn and in aprox 2 turns on any table side.
- KW can hold back from 36” and 48” range. Just the Battlecannons can damage it.

Dope table

The LoS overlay is a really cool tactical visual too!

One of the best tables i may say so.

If Gazz is a magnet try adding macari, but gazz being a bullet magnet is not bad. Just hide to avoid the flag HQ and make him a bad target to your opponent, i generally tend to offer targets but in a way that mess their positioning. Earned me a game more then once.

I can see 1 kannonwaggon.. but 2? Nah their probably is a better investment. Have you consider kill rigs?

Forceride wrote:
One of the best tables i may say so.

If Gazz is a magnet try adding macari, but gazz being a bullet magnet is not bad. Just hide to avoid the flag HQ and make him a bad target to your opponent, i generally tend to offer targets but in a way that mess their positioning. Earned me a game more then once.

I can see 1 kannonwaggon.. but 2? Nah their probably is a better investment. Have you consider kill rigs?

I want to run 3 killrigs and other squig units in my great and marvelous “robo” conversions. But it takes time to convert.

All this FB stuff is just a prequel to read how infantry and AoO works and have some fun. My final list for AoO will be something like…..


Oléé second part of CI this week is out and my “dream” list is there in Showdown.

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-darkest-timeline-pt-2/

Lewis Archer 4th on Team Stonehammer Presents: The 36 Chambers #2



No lies. It is a competitive plan based on converting idea of my own! Meet my Big Boss on Robosaur!

New competitive Innovations are out and guess what!

Freeboota list!

3 squads of KILLSAW Nobz in 3 Kannonwagons
2 squads of Tankbustas in Trukks
Waagh banner + bunch of characters, some grots, Stormboyz and Kommandos - you know the drill.

Melee At Shiloh - 10th – Jonathan Cox – Orks

 Tomsug wrote:

Forceride wrote:
One of the best tables i may say so.

If Gazz is a magnet try adding macari, but gazz being a bullet magnet is not bad. Just hide to avoid the flag HQ and make him a bad target to your opponent, i generally tend to offer targets but in a way that mess their positioning. Earned me a game more then once.

I can see 1 kannonwaggon.. but 2? Nah their probably is a better investment. Have you consider kill rigs?

I want to run 3 killrigs and other squig units in my great and marvelous “robo” conversions. But it takes time to convert.

All this FB stuff is just a prequel to read how infantry and AoO works and have some fun. My final list for AoO will be something like…..


Oléé second part of CI this week is out and my “dream” list is there in Showdown.

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-darkest-timeline-pt-2/

Lewis Archer 4th on Team Stonehammer Presents: The 36 Chambers #2

Spoiler:

++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Orks) [110 PL, 2,000pts, 1CP]++
+ Configuration +

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Fast Attack

Clan Kultur: Goffs

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

+ Stratagems +

Stratagem: Heroic Support: Warboss -1 cp

+ HQ +

Beastboss on Squigosaur [9 PL, 160pts, -2CP]: 3. ‘Ard as Nails, Headwoppa’s Killchoppa, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord

Beastboss on Squigosaur [9 PL, 160pts, -2CP]: 4. Brutal but Kunnin, Beasthide Mantle, Stratagem: Big Boss, Stratagem: Extra Gubbinz

Boss Zagstruk [6 PL, 110pts]

+ Troops +

Beast Snagga Boyz [5 PL, 100pts]
. 9x Beast Snagga Boy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga
. Beast Snagga Nob

Beast Snagga Boyz [5 PL, 100pts]
. 9x Beast Snagga Boy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga
. Beast Snagga Nob

Beast Snagga Boyz [5 PL, 100pts]
. 9x Beast Snagga Boy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga
. Beast Snagga Nob

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]: ‘Orrible Gitz
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

+ Elites +

Kommandos [4 PL, 60pts]
. Boss Nob: Big Choppa
. 4x Kommando: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs

Kommandos [4 PL, 60pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 4x Kommando: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs

+ Fast Attack +

Squighog Boyz [4 PL, 80pts]: Bomb Squig
. 3x Squighog Boy: 3x Saddlegit Weapons, 3x Squighog Jaws, 3x Stikka

Squighog Boyz [4 PL, 80pts]: Bomb Squig
. 3x Squighog Boy: 3x Saddlegit Weapons, 3x Squighog Jaws, 3x Stikka

Squighog Boyz [4 PL, 80pts]: Bomb Squig
. 3x Squighog Boy: 3x Saddlegit Weapons, 3x Squighog Jaws, 3x Stikka

Stormboyz [6 PL, 110pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 9x Stormboy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs

Stormboyz [6 PL, 110pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 9x Stormboy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs

+ Heavy Support +

Kill Rig [11 PL, 190pts]: 2. Frazzle, 6. Squiggly Curse

Kill Rig [11 PL, 190pts]: 1. Roar of Mork, 2. Frazzle

Kill Rig [11 PL, 190pts]: 2. Frazzle, 4. Spirit of Gork

++ Total: [110 PL, 2CP, 2,000pts] ++

No lies. It is a competitive plan based on converting idea of my own! Meet my Big Boss on Robosaur!

This list is dirty, pretty amazing conversion as well. I also don’t care for the beast aesthetic so robo-beasts is neat. Let us know how you do,

CI part 2 out:

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-by-lasgun-and-bayonet-pt-2/

There is a lot of Guard and one ork our warboss

The Other Showdown - 3rd Torin Holmes

Goffs. 3 squads of Nobz (1x MANz, 2x ordinary Nobz) in 2 BW and Trukk. One of the Nobz are Trukkboyz. Plus the usually stuff like grots, kommandos, stormboyz etc.

Btw. Kommandos are the big squads per 10 and no, my pressumption is wrong - this US tournament used the L shape WTC terrain.

7 elites, isn’t this list illegal or am I tripping?

I didnt even notice that.

That should be very much illigal i believe

Nope. It is legal. You can have +3 Elite Characters

huh.. i must have overseen that part.

Ah right, forgot about the elite character thing. Looks like a fun list in any case.

So there is a (beginners) 1k tournament happening here end of april I am considering to join. But I am not 100% sure what to bring as of yet.

For this I am considering a list relying a bit more on Fast Attack options, as I usually only bring heavy support, so time to switch it up!
Looking at current registrations I will most likely only face Space Marines, both vanilla and chaos flavored. With this list I hope to establish board control decently quickly and managed to burn through some armor with decent AP.



Any opinions on this? Considering swapping out the Bikers with Squighog Boyz, but I am not sure how those would stack up here.
The Dreads are also something I am not 100% sure about, was considering bringing a Blastajet instead, just starting from reserve makes it a bit more meh in my eyes.

Tollwut wrote:
So there is a (beginners) 1k tournament happening here end of april I am considering to join. But I am not 100% sure what to bring as of yet.

For this I am considering a list relying a bit more on Fast Attack options, as I usually only bring heavy support, so time to switch it up!
Looking at current registrations I will most likely only face Space Marines, both vanilla and chaos flavored. With this list I hope to establish board control decently quickly and managed to burn through some armor with decent AP.

Spoiler:

++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Orks) [55 PL, 5CP, 1,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Fast Attack

Battle Size [6CP]: 2. Incursion (51-100 Total PL / 501-1000 Points)

Clan Kultur: Freebooterz

Detachment Command Cost

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

+ HQ +

Deffkilla Wartrike [6 PL, -1CP, 120pts]: 6. Might is Right, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord

+ Troops +

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

+ Fast Attack +

DeffKoptas [8 PL, 150pts]
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta
. DeffKopta

Megatrakk Scrapjets [5 PL, 100pts]
. Megatrakk Scrapjet

Rukkatrukk Squigbuggies [12 PL, 190pts]
. Rukkatrukk Squigbuggy
. Rukkatrukk Squigbuggy

Warbikers [4 PL, 85pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 2x Warbiker w/ Choppa: 2x Choppa, 4x Dakkagun

Warbikers [4 PL, 85pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 2x Warbiker w/ Choppa: 2x Choppa, 4x Dakkagun

+ Heavy Support +

Deff Dreads [6 PL, 95pts]
. Deff Dread: Dread Klaw, Dread Klaw, Skorcha, Skorcha

Deff Dreads [6 PL, 95pts]
. Deff Dread: Dread Klaw, Dread Klaw, Skorcha, Skorcha

++ Total: [55 PL, 5CP, 1,000pts] ++

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Any opinions on this? Considering swapping out the Bikers with Squighog Boyz, but I am not sure how those would stack up here.
The Dreads are also something I am not 100% sure about, was considering bringing a Blastajet instead, just starting from reserve makes it a bit more meh in my eyes.

Should be fine.. honestly your biggest issue is the get the good bitz secondary. You only have 4 units for them.

For the deff dreadz i will agree, either go full skorcha with 1 claw or full claw. Half and half will be of no benefit also you have no reason to keep them apart, your just spending role slots, you can also give them big krumps since they don't benefit from +1 to hit in shooting and you get +1 to hit in melee from base while still triggering kulture.

But dreads either go in reserve or deep strike since their going to be shoot off the field.
Possibly a better alternative is mekguns instead of dreads.

Has for the blastjet i will politely say that it's too expensive for 1000, you give up bodies and board presence to put it in, comes T2 and needs the +1 to be effective, you can bring a dakkajet and it might be better and being cheaper fit better. But planes are mostly dead being T2. There is too much going T1 to spend between 170-270pts on dead weight.

CI part 1 this week

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-peak-warhammer-pt-1/

Frontline Gaming Cherokee Open 40K Champs

9th - Marcus Johnson - tripple Killrig gofs

Orks of Omen Detachment (Orks) [111 PL, 2,000pts, 2CP] ++


25th – Jacob Thayer - Deathskulls obsec spam



Justin Aguilar – Orks – 4th Place - goffs Nobz spam



MTC Winter GT

Keir Hornyak – Orks – 1st Place - Killrigs Goffs

And CI part 2 from this week with another Orks!

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-peak-warhammer-pt-2/

Milwaukee GT
Eric Forsman – 4th Place - Goff pressure with Kill rigs and Wagon and bunch of Nobz



6th – Matt Root – footsloging Goffs with a single Trukk, MANz and Nobz and two squads of Killa Kanz


Dice ARCADE gt
Brad Milner – 3rd Place - THAT IS INTERESTING - Deathskulls with Ghazzy, Beastboss, 2 Killrigs, 2 Scrapjets, Wazboom and Killtank. Cool! I like it!



10th – Kyle Pearson - Goffs with ghazzy


Broadsword Wargaming 40K ITC Winter Major II
4th – Mark Morrow - goffs with killrigs and squigriders



HWP Salty Classic GT February 2023
3rd – Dylan Williamson - another variation on Goffs with sime Killrigs, etc.

New Snikrot out

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/04/warhammer-world-open-day-new-reveals-for-warhammer-40000-and-warhammer-age-of-sigmar/?fbclid=IwAR33-UGLQ6KvoamlfWu2_rg8lfLAQjmaLfzkSwPe8A50IM9tl2PSbwL1gzo

Well boyz, its been awhile since I've been able to get to a GT but I am playing a local event next weekend. 2k Team tournament, 2 players per team 1k per player. I'll be taking

Beastboss, killchoppa/BBK

Grotzx2
3x10 Kommandos (PK/Bombsquig)
1x10 Nobz with Big Choppas (Boss with PK, Trukknobz)
2x3 Squig Riders (1 with Bomb squig)
Trukk

Plan is to bum rush objectives and hold them with Grots to score secondaries while my Kommandos go off and do good things . The Squig riders are mostly there as a distraction from the Trukknobz who are going to be there to absolutely wreck something important turn 1-2.

 Tomsug wrote:
New Snikrot out

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/04/warhammer-world-open-day-new-reveals-for-warhammer-40000-and-warhammer-age-of-sigmar/?fbclid=IwAR33-UGLQ6KvoamlfWu2_rg8lfLAQjmaLfzkSwPe8A50IM9tl2PSbwL1gzo

Not bad, but I do prefer the pose of the OG resin/metal model, so I'm glad I got it before it got replaced by the new plastic one.

Yeah im not really interested in that snikrot.
Old model is pretty good even if its finecast, which i already got anyway. That and his kulture is probably the weakest in the game so even if they supercharged him the rest of the army would suffer if they used him.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Yeah im not really interested in that snikrot.
Old model is pretty good even if its finecast, which i already got anyway. That and his kulture is probably the weakest in the game so even if they supercharged him the rest of the army would suffer if they used him.

You know the drill:
Make a new model and sell it to those who want it.
1-2 years later change the rules and sell it to those who need it to win.

Good to know when shall we expect the Blood Axe shine. With the new codex for 10th in such period of time…

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Yeah im not really interested in that snikrot.
Old model is pretty good even if its finecast, which i already got anyway. That and his kulture is probably the weakest in the game so even if they supercharged him the rest of the army would suffer if they used him.

Yeah, same boat with the snikrot model. I liked the shushing finger, thematic, unique and incongruous having such a delicate action being performed by a massive ork. And it looks like they got rid of the grappling hook on his back. Laaaaame.

His ruleset is already pretty solid IMO. Good warlord trait, morale debuff, and he's a warboss without being a warboss (to kommandos at least) Not sure what else they could do with him in the current 40k ruleset. Maybe shorten the range of any gun that fires at him or Kommandos in the same detachment? That'd be nice.

+1 I think the rules for him are fine, but would love to see him 10-15 points cheaper.
It's the wargear options for kommandos I don't like, forcing you to take a squad of 10 if you want any special weapons, whereas they feel like they should be able to operate in smaller squads with some fun gear. I get that it's 'whats in the box' policy. Very frustrating. Fingers crossed for more permissive modelling and squad building opportunites in 10th.

@Vineheart01 i'm hoping that kulture rules go the way of the Guard codex in 10th, so I can use different rules for my Blood Axe army depending on the kind of list I want to write.

Well, things will either get better, or way worse.

Could lean back towards HHV2/7th where you had a lotta choice, even if some required a bit of conversion or digging through other kits.

Or it goes even further towards AOS where the options are incredibly restricted.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Yeah im not really interested in that snikrot.
Old model is pretty good even if its finecast, which i already got anyway. That and his kulture is probably the weakest in the game so even if they supercharged him the rest of the army would suffer if they used him.

They need to allow him to be used in any army like every character under “specialist ladz”. He’s not a bad character and I’m fine with characters not benefiting from thier own kultur if they are in another clan detachment but they should be allowed to be taken in other klans and they should be able to buff thier respective unit regardless of klan. Snikrot, zagstruk, mozgrod should be specialist ladz and badrukk shouldn’t be a warboss his rules are way to specific to flashgitz.

Agreed. They were all basically more on the mercenary side of things anyways rather than being explicit klan leaders, making them specialist ladz rather than being Klan-Locked would see them being used more often rather than being in either fringe Klan lists or if their Klan just happens to be in with the most power at the time.

I'm cutting the hand off the old one to get back the shush, or maybe the arm to get the pose, and then putting the plastic knife back on it. Fine cast means its never gonna really be worth keeping long term, so might as well hack up the good bits, and keep one aspect of the old model that I actually really love.

CI part 1 this week out and we can see there pretty cool stuff incl. Kustom Stompa!

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-start-wearing-purple-pt-1/

Games of Westeros XIV - 10th – Andreas Holm - oldschool Goff list with wagons, trukks and bunch of infantry. No snagga stuff.


Midtcon Grand Tournament 40K - Andreas “Drachmann” Holm Hegaard – 4th Place - HOHOHOHOHOOOOO KUSTOM STOMPA WAAAGH supported by 6 deffdreads!! Such list must be nice on the table!

Gameplan according to GH:


Hell. Yeah. Sure, running people over with hordes of Orks is fun, but what if instead you ran them over with hordes of stompy robots. Would that be even more fun? As long as you don’t run into a Guard list (best not to think about that too much), seems like the answer is probably yes! I don’t think there’s too many subtleties to dig into here, though being able to Tellyporta the Big Krumpas and having lots of small units to push for Behind Enemy Lines while the opponent handles the big threats certainly gives the army strong scoring momentum while it’s doing its thing. Even in the one game where Andreas ran into an army fully tooled to just deck the Stompa (Salamanders) he still ran things pretty close – add Good Bitz and Stomp ‘Em Good to the Secondary mix and the points just roll in here!



Iberian Ham Tournament - Jordi Macià Dekkers – Deathskulls – 1st Place - tripple killrig obsec inf spam

 Tomsug wrote:
CI part 1 this week out and we can see there pretty cool stuff incl. Kustom Stompa!

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-start-wearing-purple-pt-1/

Games of Westeros XIV - 10th – Andreas Holm - oldschool Goff list with wagons, trukks and bunch of infantry. No snagga stuff.

Spoiler:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
* Player #:
* Team:
* Factions used: Orks

* Army points: 2000
* Reinforcement Points: none pts
* Number of Units / Killpoints: 21

* Pre Game Stratagems: Heroic Support (-1 CP)
* Starting Command Points: 1

* Warlord:

* Army Trait:

* Secondary Objectives Information
* Assassination: 13
* Bring it Down: 11
* No Prisoners: 15
* Abhor the Witch: 0
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

== Goffs Arks of Omen = 0 CP, [120 PL, 2000 pts] ==

HQ: Beastboss on Squigosaur [9 PL, 160 pts] 3. 'Ard as Nails, Beasthide Mantle, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord
HQ: Big Mek w/ Kustom Force Field [5 PL, 85 pts]
HQ: Boss Zagstruk [6 PL, 110 pts]
HQ: Warboss on Warbike [6 PL, 115 pts] 4. Brutal but Kunnin, Da Killa Klaw, Power Klaw, Stratagem: Big Boss, Stratagem: Extra Gubbinz

TR: 10 Gretchin [2 PL, 40 pts] 10xGretchin
TR: 10 Gretchin [2 PL, 40 pts] 10xGretchin
TR: 10 Gretchin [2 PL, 40 pts] 10xGretchin
TR: 10 Gretchin [2 PL, 40 pts] 10xGretchin

EL: 10 Kommandos [8 PL, 120 pts] Bomb Squig, Boss Nob (Power Klaw, Slugga), 9xKommando
EL: 10 Kommandos [8 PL, 120 pts] Bomb Squig, Boss Nob (Power Klaw, Slugga), 9xKommando
EL: 5 Nobz [6 PL, 95 pts] Boss Nob (Choppa, Power Klaw), Nob (Choppa, Power Klaw), 3xNob (Big Choppa, Choppa) Trukk Boyz

FA: 5 Squighog Boyz [8 PL, 125 pts] 5xSquighog Boy
FA: 5 Squighog Boyz [8 PL, 125 pts] 5xSquighog Boy
FA: 10 Stormboyz [6 PL, 100 pts] Boss Nob (Choppa, Slugga), 9xStormboy
FA: 10 Stormboyz [6 PL, 110 pts] Boss Nob (Power Klaw, Slugga), 9xStormboy
FA: 10 Stormboyz [6 PL, 110 pts] Boss Nob (Power Klaw, Slugga), 9xStormboy

HS: Battlewagon [8 PL, 120 pts] Deff Rolla
HS: Battlewagon [8 PL, 120 pts] Deff Rolla
HS: Deff Dreads [6 PL, 85 pts] Deff Dread (4xDread Klaw)

DT: Trukk [4 PL, 70 pts]
DT: Trukk [4 PL, 70 pts]

Midtcon Grand Tournament 40K - Andreas “Drachmann” Holm Hegaard – 4th Place - HOHOHOHOHOOOOO KUSTOM STOMPA WAAAGH supported by 6 deffdreads!! Such list must be nice on the table!

Gameplan according to GH:


Hell. Yeah. Sure, running people over with hordes of Orks is fun, but what if instead you ran them over with hordes of stompy robots. Would that be even more fun? As long as you don’t run into a Guard list (best not to think about that too much), seems like the answer is probably yes! I don’t think there’s too many subtleties to dig into here, though being able to Tellyporta the Big Krumpas and having lots of small units to push for Behind Enemy Lines while the opponent handles the big threats certainly gives the army strong scoring momentum while it’s doing its thing. Even in the one game where Andreas ran into an army fully tooled to just deck the Stompa (Salamanders) he still ran things pretty close – add Good Bitz and Stomp ‘Em Good to the Secondary mix and the points just roll in here!

Spoiler:

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Heavy Support
Clan Kultur: Goffs
Heroic Support: Speedboss (-1CP)
HQ1: Warboss m. Big Choppa + Headwoppa’s Killchoppa (Relic -1CP) + Kombi Scorcha [Warlord] (90 pts)
HQ2: Warboss on Warbike m. Powerklaw + KillaKlaw (Relic -1CP) + Brutal but Kunnin’ (Big Boss Strategem -1 CP) (115 pts)

Troops1: 9 x Boyz + Nob m. Dual Choppa (80 pts)
Troops2: 9 x Boyz + Nob m. Dual Choppa (80 pts)
Troops3: 9 x Boyz + Nob m. Dual Choppa (80 pts)
Troops4: 10 x Gretchin (40 pts)
Troops5: 10 x Gretchin (40 pts)

Elite1: 4 Kommandos + Nob m. Powerklaw (60 pts)
Elite2: 4 Kommandos + Nob m. Powerklaw (60 pts)

Fast1: 4 x Stormboyz + Nob m. Dual Choppa (50 pts)
Fast2: 4 x Stormboyz + Nob m. Dual Choppa (50 pts)

Heavy1: 3 x Deffdreads m. 4 x Klaw, Specialist Mob: Big Krumpaz (255 pts)
Heavy2: 2 x Deffdreads m. 4 x Klaw (170 pts)
Heavy3: 1 x Deffdreads m. 4 x Klaw (85 pts)
Heavy4: 4 x Lootas + Spanner m. Big Shoota (70)

LOW: Kustom Stompa m. Deffkannon, Supa-Gatler, Kustom Supa-rokkits, Mega-Choppa, Twin Big Shootas, Big Shootas, Scorchas, Gaze of Mork (675 pts)

2000 pts – 2 CP (4 brugt pre-game).

Assassination: 7 points (Warboss 4 + Warboss on Bike 3)
Bring it Down: 10 (6 x Deffdreads á 1 + Kustom Stompa á 4)
No Prisoners: 75

Iberian Ham Tournament - Jordi Macià Dekkers – Deathskulls – 1st Place - tripple killrig obsec inf spam

Spoiler:

++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Orks) [112 PL, 1CP, 2,000pts] ++
+ Configuration +

Clan Kultur: Deathskulls

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

+ Stratagems +

Stratagem: Heroic Support [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Beastboss on Squigosaur [9 PL, -2CP, 160pts]: 3. ‘Ard as Nails, Beasthide Mantle, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord

Big Mek w/ Kustom Force Field [5 PL, 85pts]

Warboss on Warbike [6 PL, -2CP, 115pts]: 4. Brutal but Kunnin, Da Killa Klaw, Power Klaw, Stratagem: Big Boss, Stratagem: Relic

Weirdboy [4 PL, 70pts]: 3. Da Jump, 4. Fists of Gork

+ Troops +

Beast Snagga Boyz [5 PL, 100pts]
. 9x Beast Snagga Boy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga
. Beast Snagga Nob

Beast Snagga Boyz [5 PL, 100pts]
. 9x Beast Snagga Boy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga
. Beast Snagga Nob

Beast Snagga Boyz [5 PL, 100pts]
. 9x Beast Snagga Boy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga
. Beast Snagga Nob

Boyz [5 PL, 90pts]: Trukk Boyz
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw, Slugga
. 9x Ork Boy w/ Slugga & Choppa: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

Gretchin [2 PL, 40pts]
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster

+ Elites +

Kommandos [8 PL, 120pts]: Bomb Squig
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 9x Kommando: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs

Kommandos [4 PL, 60pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 4x Kommando: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs

+ Fast Attack +

Stormboyz [6 PL, 110pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 9x Stormboy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs

Stormboyz [6 PL, 110pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 9x Stormboy: 9x Choppa, 9x Slugga, 9x Stikkbombs

Stormboyz [3 PL, 60pts]
. Boss Nob: Power Klaw
. 4x Stormboy: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs

+ Heavy Support +

Kill Rig [11 PL, 190pts]: 1. Roar of Mork, 2. Frazzle

Kill Rig [11 PL, 190pts]: 3. Bitin’ Jawz, 6. Squiggly Curse

Kill Rig [11 PL, 190pts]: 2. Frazzle, 6. Squiggly Curse

+ Dedicated Transport +

Trukk [4 PL, 70pts]

Since my girlfriend died 1 month ago, i was unable to play properly against Drachman. I went to the tournament with the: Lets just play and have fun and make an unreasonable amount of mistakes" really.

He sadly beat my ork army, after i made critical mistakes, and hell, even obvious ones. Though i gotta say the Kustom stompa really wrecked my kill rigs, and the terrain really didnt cover anything. I had no way of hiding any of them and he killed a rig each turn. I had no where to hide from its humongous guns. It was kinda funny though, because of the terrain, it was confined to an area at his deployment zone that he couldnt leave. However, due to its size and the fact almost none of the objectives were hidden behind terrain, the stompa could still be allowed to shoot the daylight out of me.

If you took his list to a GT with actual WTC terrain, he would not fare this well i think.

However, he is still a very very skilled player who has won a lot of danish GTs. or at least ended up at top 10 minimum. He is a much better player than i am, but i still believe with proper terrain, and when my girlfriend hadnt just recently died by being run over by an idiot, that I could have taken that win. The list was fun and different, and decently good against certain things but it werent really that amazing.

Oddly despite being a great ork player who has played everything from speed mobs to.. well kustom stompas and still done great, he did seem to forget quite a few things when playing, such as unbridled carnage being 2CP not 1 (which is damn important), and the fact that his nob stormboyz cant have dual choppers (or did he say they had powerklaws for free? regardless they clearly dont). He also forgot the range on certain ranged weapons and how many shots the kustom stompa actually received on some of its guns. Being an ork player i was, luckily able to correct him. It makes me wonder how many people did he use unbridled carnage at, for 1CP before playing against me?

Man, I gotta make myself a stompa. Maybe one day we'll go back to terrain being destructable as well, that would be sweet.

I'm continuing to expand my collection, just painting what I like, and trying to make a competative list out of it afterwards, which means I had a Gorkanaut on the table for the first time.
I tellyported it in and was impressed with the damage it did, being a delivery vehicle for a warboss and some nobz as well was handy, means I was still punching well upfield on turn 3.
Gonna make a morkanuat next, plan for him will be to start hidden, pop out t1 with his kff to protect the bulk of the advance (so I can save the waaargh for t2) and do a bit of shooting. Don't expect him to make it into combat but if he can be a bullet soak it's all good - i'll big mek on standby for repairs.

That Deathskulls list is nice, but God I love it when a Stompa does well at a tournament.

 Afrodactyl wrote:
That Deathskulls list is nice, but God I love it when a Stompa does well at a tournament.

Arrange the greatest prank and get everyone in a large tourney to take an ork list including a stompa. Really knock those statistics outta wack.

cody.d. wrote:

 Afrodactyl wrote:
That Deathskulls list is nice, but God I love it when a Stompa does well at a tournament.

Arrange the greatest prank and get everyone in a large tourney to take an ork list including a stompa. Really knock those statistics outta wack.

Why would you do that when you can easily fit two stompas in each list?

 PaddyMick wrote:

cody.d. wrote:

 Afrodactyl wrote:
That Deathskulls list is nice, but God I love it when a Stompa does well at a tournament.

Arrange the greatest prank and get everyone in a large tourney to take an ork list including a stompa. Really knock those statistics outta wack.

Why would you do that when you can easily fit two stompas in each list?

to be fair, there is a good chance your Stompa is so large, that it cant leave its own deployment zone, or is confined to a small area.

So having 1 of them is feasable as it can probably sit on a home objective, but having two is probably not great from a mobility and terrain point of view.

Beardedragon wrote:

 PaddyMick wrote:

cody.d. wrote:

 Afrodactyl wrote:
That Deathskulls list is nice, but God I love it when a Stompa does well at a tournament.

Arrange the greatest prank and get everyone in a large tourney to take an ork list including a stompa. Really knock those statistics outta wack.

Why would you do that when you can easily fit two stompas in each list?

to be fair, there is a good chance your Stompa is so large, that it cant leave its own deployment zone, or is confined to a small area.

So having 1 of them is feasable as it can probably sit on a home objective, but having two is probably not great from a mobility and terrain point of view.

Take two stompas, a warboss, then spend the rest of the points on Grots. Problem solved

Well, Stompa scenario is very important for those like me who wants to win the tournament pianting competitions - in case the other players vote.

Becuase if you want to win such comp, you need to have the biggest models. Yeah, well painted, but don' try to play this game with the grots

And one big stompa with LED lights and sound effects = massive victory


Btw. CI part II out https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-start-wearing-purple-pt-2/

Clutch City GT 2023 (131 players) - Jake Gonzalez – 2nd Place - with another twist kn goff list. This time we can see the big toys mostly - double Rigs, wagon, Ghazzy, and 3x6squads of squigriders. Dude maybe wanted to win the painting part too

His last game is on Showdown, so I add the GH comment too

Another variation on the highly successful Goffs pressure builds we’ve been seeing in Arks of Omen. This settles the Battlewagon / Kill Rigs debate by simply TAKING BOTH (a very Orky solution Jake, well done). Big packs of Squigboyz bring speed and durability, and there is an outing for the big man himself, Makari, and his man servant Ghazghkull. I suspect these ride in the Battlewagon (where the cheap Mek can also occupy a space, ready to die if a 1 gets rolled when the vehicle pops), and this army is capable of staging an enormous amount of pressure immediately and never looking back. It’s a little lighter on infantry bodies and mission play than some recent Ork lists (the price of bringing an expensive heavy hitter like Makari, I guess) but it will bowl opponents off the board very quickly if they don’t come up with convincing answers fast.





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 Afrodactyl wrote:

Take two stompas, a warboss, then spend the rest of the points on Grots. Problem solved

Yeah, two LED lighted Stompas with sound effects and servo-moving head or something and crazy wild hords of overexcited players tear down the hall

Thanks for the rundown Tumsug. It's official: Makari wins matches.

I've made a stompa footprint template and i'm off to see whether it fits around the terrain on the maps we play at most UKTC majors

 PaddyMick wrote:
Thanks for the rundown Tumsug. It's official: Makari wins matches.

I've made a stompa footprint template and i'm off to see whether it fits around the terrain on the maps we play at most UKTC majors

Could make one by putting a stompa on a scanner, get an upskirt shot and an outline of it's shape.

cody.d. wrote:

 PaddyMick wrote:
Thanks for the rundown Tumsug. It's official: Makari wins matches.

I've made a stompa footprint template and i'm off to see whether it fits around the terrain on the maps we play at most UKTC majors

Could make one by putting a stompa on a scanner, get an upskirt shot and an outline of it's shape.

Pervert! lol

Not a fan of the model, i'll be making my own if it comes to it, but i've found what I hope are pretty accurate measurements.

So that double tournament I went to...Holy crap.

Game 1 my Beastboss on Squig ate Grimaldus and a bunch of bladeguard before eating some chickenwalkers of his Admech ally.

Game 2 he ate a fricken KNIGHT titan a Dreadnought along with its drop pod.

Game 3 he ate a Tyranofex, a Keeper of Secrets and a Seeker Chariot.

And when I say ate i mean the squig literally rolled 6s to wound and inflicted mortal wounds to kill the models! So he technically ate all those things the other day and it was hysterical!

SemperMortis wrote:
So that double tournament I went to...Holy crap.

Game 1 my Beastboss on Squig ate Grimaldus and a bunch of bladeguard before eating some chickenwalkers of his Admech ally.

Game 2 he ate a fricken KNIGHT titan a Dreadnought along with its drop pod.

Game 3 he ate a Tyranofex, a Keeper of Secrets and a Seeker Chariot.

And when I say ate i mean the squig literally rolled 6s to wound and inflicted mortal wounds to kill the models! So he technically ate all those things the other day and it was hysterical!

Squigbosses are by far my favourite Ork HQ. They're sooooo good.

Did you go for the tank build or go all-in on damage output?

Have you already posted your list in here?

it was Beastboss on Squigosaur with Brutal but Kunnin and Headwhoppas killchoppa.

The list was 1k pts double tournament and it went something like

Beastboss on Squig,
2x Grots
3x10 Kommandos (Nob W/PK, Bomb Squig)
2x3 Squig Riders (1 W/Bomb Squig)
1x10 Trukk Nobz (1PK, 9 Bigchoppas)
Trukk

Oh, I also gave my Nobz 2x Ammo Runts...for fun, because they literally didn't have any guns so the grots just trailed behind them for laughs. Same for my Kommandos who brought their Distraction grots but only for hte looks of it, they weren't used except to make the battles look cooler.

SemperMortis wrote:
So that double tournament I went to...Holy crap.

Game 1 my Beastboss on Squig ate Grimaldus and a bunch of bladeguard before eating some chickenwalkers of his Admech ally.

Game 2 he ate a fricken KNIGHT titan a Dreadnought along with its drop pod.

Game 3 he ate a Tyranofex, a Keeper of Secrets and a Seeker Chariot.

And when I say ate i mean the squig literally rolled 6s to wound and inflicted mortal wounds to kill the models! So he technically ate all those things the other day and it was hysterical!

Muhehe my favourite HQ too.


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Important notice for everybody:

Buy Mega Dreads, Big Trakks, Supa Kannons and Kustom Stompa upgrade.

They are such great models! My Gork, really are. Especially the Mega Dreads! No chance GW produce anything on the similar level anytime soon!

I doubt this models will have any reasonable rules in 10th but hey guys - do it now! Sooner or later, FW will be dismissed and these models will be gone.

Btw. If you have some Kill Krusha for sale, I 'm ready to buy anytime!