aka_mythos wrote:
Originally they were saying they'd rerelease the Cerastus Knights with these heads and the Atrapos' armour so players could have fully Mechanicum versions... I can't say I want just a head.

Should just have a thing like 'build your titan' where you can use the mechanicum styled body and shoulders or the more knightly ones, then pick weapons loadouts and heads etc.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm sure that if you hold one of the heads up to your ear you can hear it whispering "We're never releasing the next IA! AHAHAHAHA!".

Dont say that

I wonder if they have any last second models to add to Fires of Cyraxus lineup. Would be cool to get a last second Tau model. I hope but expect nothing but what has been shown.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Originally they were saying they'd rerelease the Cerastus Knights with these heads and the Atrapos' armour so players could have fully Mechanicum versions... I can't say I want just a head.

Should just have a thing like 'build your titan' where you can use the mechanicum styled body and shoulders or the more knightly ones, then pick weapons loadouts and heads etc.

I agree with this. If they make you buy a regular cerastus knight and then the armour and head upgrades, the price will be ridiculous and youll be left with a full set of cerastus armour and no way to use it. They'd be much better off just offering each knight in mechanicum or mars pattern which is basically what the normal cerastus armour looks like.I've already built and painted my knights so I feel like adding a bunch of mechanicum ones would look strange now. Plus the mars patter warhound matches more with the traditional cerastus design.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm sure that if you hold one of the heads up to your ear you can hear it whispering "We're never releasing the next IA! AHAHAHAHA!".

The questoris ones will say "Tom Kirby still owns 6.7% of GWPLC! BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!"

 Dramagod2 wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Originally they were saying they'd rerelease the Cerastus Knights with these heads and the Atrapos' armour so players could have fully Mechanicum versions... I can't say I want just a head.

Should just have a thing like 'build your titan' where you can use the mechanicum styled body and shoulders or the more knightly ones, then pick weapons loadouts and heads etc.

...They'd be much better off just offering each knight in mechanicum or mars pattern which is basically what the normal cerastus armour looks like.

That's what I was trying to say, I guess it wasn't clear. This is what they said they were trying to convince management to let them do... I guess we know who won that argument.

They look good, especially with the Mechanicum armour plates. Although the Atrapos already has a suitably AM styled head so I'm not sure why they would use that variant, unless its because its the only one that comes with the cog styling on its armour. Hopefully they will release either the armour separately or packaged with the other Cerastus variants in the future.
Fingers crossed the Questoris frame heads are not to far off as well. The Imperial styled ones looked great and the Mechanicus ones were interesting Its a shame they didn't release them while Renegade was still on shelves though

All I know is that without them releasing the armour separately, I would literally never purchase one of those heads, ,They just don't look right with the normal mars pattern plates on the cerastus knights

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=9083590






First on sale @ European Open day, then at WW afterwards.

Oh goody, yet more things GW won't let me buy for some inexplicable reason.

They'll be available at WHW after the open day.

 BrookM wrote:
They'll be available at WHW after the open day.

Yeah, which essentially still equals unable to get for most of us. I'm not all that far from WW in the scheme of things, but it is still too far to go pick up a mug...

 BrookM wrote:
They'll be available at WHW after the open day.

Yes, so not available to most people. Or I dunno, maybe there are loads of folk out there willing to spend over a hundred quid on train fares and travel halfway down the country to buy a t-shirt...

 Yodhrin wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
They'll be available at WHW after the open day.

Yes, so not available to most people. Or I dunno, maybe there are loads of folk out there willing to spend over a hundred quid on train fares and travel halfway down the country to buy a t-shirt...

Forget country, try halfway around the world.

Chrysis wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
They'll be available at WHW after the open day.

Yes, so not available to most people. Or I dunno, maybe there are loads of folk out there willing to spend over a hundred quid on train fares and travel halfway down the country to buy a t-shirt...

Forget country, try halfway around the world.

I feel your pain...

 reds8n wrote:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=9083590






First on sale @ European Open day, then at WW afterwards.

Awesome. Nile's a pretty sweet band.

Wait wut?

I bought the ciaphas cain mug from the BL site, it's most definitely not dishwasher proof, which means it's used a lot less than I hoped. These might be better quality though.

WHOA AN OPEN DAY TICKET CAN YOU FEEL THE EXCITEMENT GUYS!!!!!!!!! BEST FRIDAY RELEASE EVER!!!!!!1111!!!!!

New release for today, Thousand Sons decals: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Thousand-Sons-Legion-Transfer-Sheet-FW



There's also a reminder that they still have Open Day tickets on sale for next Saturday.

edit.

Link to file that breaks down the sheet: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/transfer-keys/THOUSAND_SONS_TRANSFER_SHEET%20breakdown.pdf

For a guy who is not interested in Titans, Knights or Mechanicum the last months of FW releases have not been very interesting. Since losing their 2nd best sculptor the HH character series is not moving forward ...

I really like the Thousand Sons transfers.

HERE HE IS !!

I was hoping for the Porphyrion myself, oh well.

Right on cue

Here he comes!

Weirdly not impressed by Russ.

Bummer.

Edit:

I think I need to see him in scale. I know that makes no sense, but that might help me like him if I see him next to some regular Astartes.

I think he looks good, maybe just a bit too blonde.

Those look like some very odd sideburns... Also is he hitting himself in the chin with the rim of his shoulderpad?

Freki and Geri are not going to happen any time soon either.

 Fireball wrote:
For a guy who is not interested in Titans, Knights or Mechanicum the last months of FW releases have not been very interesting. Since losing their 2nd best sculptor the HH character series is not moving forward ...

Reports have said that FW is getting more strategic with their releases, instead of simply releasing stuff as soon as it's ready for sale. I think we can look forward to a lot of new stuff alongside Inferno.


I think Russ is a pretty stunning model.

I am happy there are no corpses on the base ... I am really fed up investing too much time into painting these huge and overly detailed bases (e.g. Perturabo or Sigismund).


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 gorgon wrote:

 Fireball wrote:
For a guy who is not interested in Titans, Knights or Mechanicum the last months of FW releases have not been very interesting. Since losing their 2nd best sculptor the HH character series is not moving forward ...

Reports have said that FW is getting more strategic with their releases, instead of simply releasing stuff as soon as it's ready for sale. I think we can look forward to a lot of new stuff alongside Inferno.

I keep my fingers crossed!!!

Russ is nice, I don't think that's a great angle for the picture (is that in the photographer's job description, "must be able to show off product to worst advantage"?), but he looks pretty good.

The TS transfers, though... must have those.

Guess I need to drop another order, earlier than I'd expected.

I think the angle is good in some respects, but it doesn't show off all the detail across the chest armor. Which is amazing.

Guys

He has a sword AND an axe. What more could you possibly ask FW for?

Freki and Geri?

 BrookM wrote:
Freki and Geri?

Later...

 BrookM wrote:
Freki and Geri?

people complained about the bases getting too big (which also drove the price up) so FW descided to
pull back on the base. Because of this Freki and Geri will be released separately from Russ.

frankr wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Freki and Geri?

people complained about the bases getting too big (which also drove the price up) so FW descided to
pull back on the base. Because of this Freki and Geri will be released separately from Russ.

Clearly they misunderstood, people want to pay for miniatures and not bases. Wolves are miniatures... not bases.

Not impressed with Russ...and that base is wayyyy too big.

I agree about the scale thing. Something just isn't selling me on this one.

I'd like to see it next to something else or more pictures at different angles.

It looks good, it just doesn't make me go: "Holy crap!"

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Not impressed with Russ...and that base is wayyyy too big.

Dude, seriously? They toned it down and I'm happy to see it. Perty's was ridiculous (and he's in Primarch sized terminator armour...)

 aka_mythos wrote:

frankr wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Freki and Geri?

people complained about the bases getting too big (which also drove the price up) so FW descided to
pull back on the base. Because of this Freki and Geri will be released separately from Russ.

Clearly they misunderstood, people want to pay for miniatures and not bases. Wolves are miniatures... not bases.

You'll still be able to buy them. I don't think it was that FW were worried about the base, I think they were worried that the price of Russ and the Wolves would be too much, so they released them separately. That way there might be people who just want Russ or just want the Wolves who can get whichever.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Not impressed with Russ...and that base is wayyyy too big.

Dude, seriously? They toned it down and I'm happy to see it. Perty's was ridiculous (and he's in Primarch sized terminator armour...)

Still one of the best Primarch models released, imo. Crazy basing is optional for gaming use. I would just use that as scenery.

*double post*

Taste is a weird thing. This is comfortably my favourite
primarch so far. The pose looks believable and not like someone posing for a painting. The weapons look cool but not out of scale to the mini.The detail on the armour looks incredible.

Anyone have any experience with the House Terryn Knight upgrades from FW? Thinking about buying the kit for my Paladin, but it comes to about 40 CDN, which is a fair bit to shell out. 

Chikout wrote:
Taste is a weird thing. This is comfortably my favourite
primarch so far. The pose looks believable and not like someone posing for a painting. The weapons look cool but not out of scale to the mini.The detail on the armour looks incredible.

Yeah, as much as I dislike the Wolves, this is definitely up there on the favorite list.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Not impressed with Russ...and that base is wayyyy too big.

Dude, seriously? They toned it down and I'm happy to see it. Perty's was ridiculous (and he's in Primarch sized terminator armour...)

Spoiler:

[img]https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99560102231_PerturaboPrimarchoftheIronWarriors360.jpg

[/img]

Still one of the best Primarch models released, imo. Crazy basing is optional for gaming use. I would just use that as scenery.

Perturabos base is still crazy with just the gaming base:

That Russ model...so good!

*Almost* enough to make we want to start a 30K Space Wolf army - and that's not something I'd ever thought I'd type!

 Alpharius wrote:
That Russ model...so good!

*Almost* enough to make we want to start a 30K Space Wolf army - and that's not something I'd ever thought I'd type!

How about it, I bloody hate Space Wolves and I love that mini, it's a beautiful sculpt.

The only way I'd buy it is to do a Night of the Wolf scene with Russ face down in the dust and mighty Angron standing over him.

But I think this is the best primarch model yet. Er...after Angron, of course.

Overall I like Leman Russ, but I need to see more angles. From the angle they've shown his chin looks like it's implanted in his shoulder and the proportions look odd.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Not impressed with Russ...and that base is wayyyy too big.

Dude, seriously? They toned it down and I'm happy to see it. Perty's was ridiculous (and he's in Primarch sized terminator armour...)

Spoiler:

[img]https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99560102231_PerturaboPrimarchoftheIronWarriors360.jpg

[/img]

Still one of the best Primarch models released, imo. Crazy basing is optional for gaming use. I would just use that as scenery.

Perturabos base is still crazy with just the gaming base:

That wasn't what I meant. I meant you can just cut him off that busted Cerastus and put him on a gaming sized base that is themed with your army.


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 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Anyone have any experience with the House Terryn Knight upgrades from FW? Thinking about buying the kit for my Paladin, but it comes to about 40 CDN, which is a fair bit to shell out. 

I do. Not worth it, imo. The decals look overall way better to me.

Russ looks nice. Well done.

 BrookM wrote:
Freki and Geri?

Separate release. They wanted to keep his price point similar.
Kinda frustrating I'll concede.

He looks awesome. Really like the axe/sword combo, makes him look so much better than just a sword like we've seen in previous artwork.

I want to see more angles just so I can drool over the model more. Russ looks completely amazing.

Instantly my first Primarch purchase, now to bring on Magnus. Do you think it will make a diarama with the two of them?

They have chosen a Prospero themed base, so I think it is looking likely.

It does seem a bit odd not to put the two wolves up for order at the same time as the Primarch, even if not as part of the same set.

Russ looks good, better than a lot of the artwork I have seen him featured in which gives me hope for Magnus. Not sold on his face but I think some more angles are needed.

Also loving the TSons transfer sheet, typical that they release it one day after I started carving symbols out of plasticard with great difficulty...

 Commander Cain wrote:
Russ looks good, better than a lot of the artwork I have seen him featured in which gives me hope for Magnus. Not sold on his face but I think some more angles are needed.

Also loving the TSons transfer sheet, typical that they release it one day after I started carving symbols out of plasticard with great difficulty...

Ah, so you're why they released them now.

My thanks, in that case.

I heard that when Russ charges into battle he yells "You fiends will never see the new IA book!", and then he slaughters both the Thousand Sons and our dreams.

He's a pretty clean model compared to what I was expecting. I love the banded armour.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
HERE HE IS !!

Without knowing a lot of how the Horus Heresy progresses does Russ's sword end up becoming Drach'nyen or am I just imagining the similarity?

Nah. Drach'nyen is old. Older than humanity. Abaddon got it during the first Black Crusade, after passing some tests set up by the chaos pantheon.

Russes' sword does have a distinctly Chaotic look to it though, I noticed that earlier. I wonder if FW will elaborate on the backstory. We know from the axe Morkai used by Grimnar that the Space Wolves are not afraid to reconsecrate a Chaos weapon.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Nah. Drach'nyen is old. Older than humanity. Abaddon got it during the first Black Crusade, after passing some tests set up by the chaos pantheon.

None of which precludes Russ from having used it in the Heresy...

But I agree, if only because a Primarch-scaled weapon would be a hand and a half taller than Minibaddon!

It undoubtedly takes some design cues from it though. Wouldn't it be interesting if it turned out the Warmaster 'gifted' Russ a weapon to ensure his success on Prospero? You know, the battle where he far exceeded his remit and went slightly overboard on the "reasonable force" angle?

Abaddon wield's Horus's claw, so that's doesn't mean Russ's sword isn't Drach'nyen.

I doubt it is though, just because it'd be really weird.

Surprised we're seeing Russ (and presumably Magnus) before Dorn and Alpharius.

I wonder if we'll get his rules at the open day?

motski wrote:
Surprised we're seeing Russ (and presumably Magnus) before Dorn and Alpharius.

I wonder if we'll get his rules at the open day?

Russ and Magnus are kind of the figurehead models for the next IA book. Just like Guilliman and the Warlord Titan were for HH5.
Dorn and the Fists were kind of shoehorned into HH3, and Alpharius has already been released, you just don't recognize him yet. Or do you?

TS Transfers are up for pre-order

 Azreal13 wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Nah. Drach'nyen is old. Older than humanity. Abaddon got it during the first Black Crusade, after passing some tests set up by the chaos pantheon.

None of which precludes Russ from having used it in the Heresy...

Drach'nyen was stuck in the Tower of Silence (on Uralan, in the Eye of Terror) for millennia before the Heresy broke out. It's also a warp entity of rather titanic potential. Some very creative retconning would have to happen to make it Russ' former weapon.

Does it look like the sword on the book cover he's on? Did that sword have a name?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Does it look like the sword on the book cover he's on? Did that sword have a name?

Yeah it does. He has a sword called Mjalnar, but that was a frost sword with teeth from a kraken (much like Krakenmaw that it replaced) so that would be a Chainsword.

Yeah, doesn't quite tally with the descriptions, but does with the artwork. I notice the actual model makes the spikes above the hilt look more like teeth though- maybe that is their nod to the description?

How long till we see someone convert him to have a beard?

 commander dante wrote:
How long till we see someone convert him to have a beard?

Beard? Nah, he needs some truly manly muttonchops.

My biggest disappointment is the color of his hair, i always thought that Russ had black hair

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
My biggest disappointment is the color of his hair, i always thought that Russ had black hair

people say the same about Ragnar, even though the Blackmane is the wolf he killed (the pelt on his armor)...
the Wolves are Nordic inspired, so blond makes sense...
the lack of facial hair of any kind is a bit of a bummer...
i really look forward to painting him, hough
i haven't painted a Primarch yet, but Russ has always been my favorite, so i will have to make time or this one...

cheers
jah

 commander dante wrote:
How long till we see someone convert him to have a beard?

Hopefully not long. Russ should have a beard. He looks stupid without one. Then again, I feel that Gulliman and El'Johnson should have beards too.

My designs of the primarchs are way better!

 jah-joshua wrote:

the lack of facial hair of any kind is a bit of a bummer...

When was he ever portrayed with facial hair? -I ask because I've never seen it or read it but it's a pervasive interpretation contrary to the imagery.

New Bulletin feat. Hobbit news and a camo-painted Barracuda ...

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=12212868

 Fireball wrote:
New Bulletin feat. Hobbit news and a camo-painted Barracuda ...

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=12212868

Mmmmm, I need some 'cudas. But not as much as I need other stuff to fill out 30k armies. Maybe I'll sneak one into my next order, though.

Oooooh Barracuda....

Ah yeah after my Titan and DW are done I'm going to grab two Barracuda. Probably not until next year.

Any idea when this bad boy will hit the shelf? Acastus Knight Porphyrion


http://battlebunnies.blogspot.ca/2016/05/acastus-porphyrion-is-bigger.html

 Wulfenone wrote:
Any idea when this bad boy will hit the shelf? Acastus Knight Porphyrion


http://battlebunnies.blogspot.ca/2016/05/acastus-porphyrion-is-bigger.html

Not soon enough.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:

the lack of facial hair of any kind is a bit of a bummer...

When was he ever portrayed with facial hair? -I ask because I've never seen it or read it but it's a pervasive interpretation contrary to the imagery.

nope, never seen him with facial hair..
it's just my pro-beard bias talking, and my love for the original Grimnar model, and the new Ulrik

now i just need to take a closer look at the wolves from the new Grimnar's sleigh, to see if they will require less sculpting to get rid of the traces, to make Freki and Geri, than the Thunderwolves would...
i've been wanting the plastic Grimnar, but have no interest in his ride...
it will make decent crashed terrain, though

cheers
jah

It's more that when people think Viking King, They think a guy with a big old viking beard.

 jah-joshua wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:

the lack of facial hair of any kind is a bit of a bummer...

When was he ever portrayed with facial hair? -I ask because I've never seen it or read it but it's a pervasive interpretation contrary to the imagery.

nope, never seen him with facial hair..
it's just my pro-beard bias talking, and my love for the original Grimnar model, and the new Ulrik

now i just need to take a closer look at the wolves from the new Grimnar's sleigh, to see if they will require less sculpting to get rid of the traces, to make Freki and Geri, then the Thunderwolves would...
i've been wanting the plastic Grimnar, but have no interest in his ride...
it will make decent crashed terrain, though

cheers
jah

yeah, quite common actually. MAny (myself included at first) just assumed Russ has a beard but it's not there in the fic and art

 Dysartes wrote:
It does seem a bit odd not to put the two wolves up for order at the same time as the Primarch, even if not as part of the same set.

My guess is that it's deliberate, to keep Russ's price point at around 70 pounds instead of the 110 or so he'd be with two additional giant wolves included in the set.

Screw the Barracuda, Dain is looking good!

shade1313 wrote:

 Fireball wrote:
New Bulletin feat. Hobbit news and a camo-painted Barracuda ...

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=12212868

Mmmmm, I need some 'cudas. But not as much as I need other stuff to fill out 30k armies. Maybe I'll sneak one into my next order, though.

I just got the news that my new Cuda shipped today. Guess I'll build any paint it alongside the old style one I recently picked up from other places.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
It does seem a bit odd not to put the two wolves up for order at the same time as the Primarch, even if not as part of the same set.

My guess is that it's deliberate, to keep Russ's price point at around 70 pounds instead of the 110 or so he'd be with two additional giant wolves included in the set.

I went through the same thought process back when Perturabo was released without the Iron Circle. I don't think too much of a fuss was made about that at the time.

 scottmmmm wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
It does seem a bit odd not to put the two wolves up for order at the same time as the Primarch, even if not as part of the same set.

My guess is that it's deliberate, to keep Russ's price point at around 70 pounds instead of the 110 or so he'd be with two additional giant wolves included in the set.

I went through the same thought process back when Perturabo was released without the Iron Circle. I don't think too much of a fuss was made about that at the time.

To be fair though, the Iron Circle are a recent invention for a Primarch that didn't have much of a profile prior to the modern HH series turned him into one of the most interesting ones. Russ has had a following for a long-ass time and I'm sure his wolves have been part of his background almost as long as he's existed, so there's more investment in seeing them as a group.

Plus, if they'd released Perty with a full Iron Circle from the novels he would have cost like £500

Nope, no wolves..

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
HERE HE IS !!

Awesome model, my only beef is that I never imagined Leman Russ to be some kind of pretty boy (though it seems it is the case by the art of him posted in this thread).

Are we expecting Fires of Cyraxus this weekend?

I love russ and would love to paint him but after reading how angron spanked him it kinda kills him in my eyes

OgreChubbs wrote:
I love russ and would love to paint him but after reading how angron spanked him it kinda kills him in my eyes

No shame in getting beat by Angron in single combat. Would probably happen to most of the primarchs.

Him being a raving hypocrite seems like a far more disagreeable trait of Russ.

 Zywus wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
I love russ and would love to paint him but after reading how angron spanked him it kinda kills him in my eyes

No shame in getting beat by Angron in single combat. Would probably happen to most of the primarchs.

Him being a raving hypocrite seems like a far more disagreeable trait of Russ.

i've never seen Russ as any kind of hypocrite, let alone a raving one, so it's not an issue...
i do look forward to giving him a badass pair of wolves, though
MIgsula has been a huge inspiration with his recent Space Wolves project...
it will be fun to steal some of his ideas...

cheers
jah

 Gamgee wrote:
Are we expecting Fires of Cyraxus this weekend?

You're certainly persistent...

I suspect that as soon as we know anything about it, it will get posted here!

I've been waiting on that dang book since it was hinted at last year. I'm getting sick of waiting. I have two FW models that will be getting rules updates and I'm hoping they give the dumb nexus missile system different stat line or something since its so bad for titan scale weaponry.

I was hoping it would have been out in time to take advantage of that lower free shipping period but that was not the case. :(

I need my Tau fix.

Warhammer TV's at it again

https://www.facebook.com/ForgeWorldUK/videos/260399871021665/

date 22nd October

something Ultramarine themed? (I hope it's not 'poopin Bob' here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/703874.page)

Looks like its the case indeed.

Has this been posted yet? Found this on B&C (who found it on Heresy30k) here:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326249-new-fw-ultramarines-character-22nd-october/
Supposedly Remus Ventanus and will be available the same way as the Legion Praetor Tribune w/ dirty great blade thingy was. ie available at GW stores only.

Yes, it's awfulness caused it to spill out into its own thread..

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/703874.page

I still think the head looks like Bobby Jindal with a beard. The rest looks decent enough, the Standard is a gorgeous Roman-styled piece of work and I'd like it just for that.

So much of that model looks horrid.

I need to see this model unpainted before I pass judgment. I'm hoping it's just the paint job throwing me off.

the picture is distorted so I am holding back final judgement, but really aside from the Primarchs the HH charcter series has suffered severely. The Knights Errant were solid, but nothing special. I wish the sculptor that did Dynat from the AL would do more ...

 Fireball wrote:
the picture is distorted so I am holding back final judgement, but really aside from the Primarchs the HH charcter series has suffered severely. The Knights Errant were solid, but nothing special. I wish the sculptor that did Dynat from the AL would do more ...

Really? Cause I think most of them look pretty good, sure one or two need Helmets but for the most part they have been good. This new one, not so much.

 Fireball wrote:
the picture is distorted so I am holding back final judgement, but really aside from the Primarchs the HH charcter series has suffered severely. The Knights Errant were solid, but nothing special. I wish the sculptor that did Dynat from the AL would do more ...

The character series has been great to me! Outside of the daemon dude for the Alpha Legion, everyone just needs helmets because I hate painting flesh.

Mr. CyberPunk wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
HERE HE IS !!

Awesome model, my only beef is that I never imagined Leman Russ to be some kind of pretty boy (though it seems it is the case by the art of him posted in this thread).

My issue with Russ... Some primarchs are sculpted like they're leading from the rear, other primarchs are sculpted like they're just running around on their own killing anything within arms length, others are dueling... It is the quality of the sculpts that you can read so much off the pose... Russ, he is obviously sculpted as if he were flanked by something running with him... whether those models are Vilka Fenrica or his two wolves, the absence makes the model look lonely and compositionally incomplete. If FW has a mission it is to elevate the artistic merits of their sculpts in this way rather than just placing certain models on taller pedestals. Even though it is purely to meet a price point they should be selling those wolves at the same time.

IT IS HERE

Nice model, but for playing a game, it's way way too big.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Fireball wrote:
the picture is distorted so I am holding back final judgement, but really aside from the Primarchs the HH charcter series has suffered severely. The Knights Errant were solid, but nothing special. I wish the sculptor that did Dynat from the AL would do more ...

Really? Cause I think most of them look pretty good, sure one or two need Helmets but for the most part they have been good. This new one, not so much.

Do not get me wrong ... I love the character series and it was a pleasure to paint Sigismund, Kharn, Eidolon etc. But comparing them with the Knights Errant and this Ultramarine ... they are a letdown. I miss the sculptor who left the company ...

Gorgeous. Most expensive terrain piece I've seen so far...

Is it just me or is Russ on the cover of Prospero Burns the spitting image of Father Jack off Father Ted?

I can't wait to see Russ' wolves.

 Kinetochore wrote:
Is it just me or is Russ on the cover of Prospero Burns the spitting image of Father Jack off Father Ted?

Phrasing!

 Peregrine wrote:
IT IS HERE

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

could not agree with you more, Padre!!!
yellow is my least favorite color...
i'm off to bleach my eyes now :(
not a bad sculpt, though...

now i'm just waiting to see if any cool previews come out of Amsterdam this weekend

cheers
jah

I'm a huge Imperial Fist fan so that color scheme brings a tear to my eye. So Beautiful my big, yellow cheese!

Ugh, nope I have to agree with the dissenters, not attractive. That's why I always prefer people who lean more towards the Mustard end of the spectrum when painting their IFs rather than the dayglo safety jacket look FW have chosen for their IF vehicles.

Hmmm... I always preferred a more vibrant yellow for fists (not to FWs extent though). Mustard fists just look like a different chapter to me.

From fb:

Who's facebook??

Also saw the rules for it leaked from the open day on facebook-

Vulturax Statos-Automata- 175 points

WS:3 BS:4 S:4? T:7 W:4 I:3 A:2 Ld:8 Sv:3+

Unit Type-Flying Monstrous Creature

Special Rules-Cybernetica Cortex(Ignores methodical,may always attempt to target nearest enemy flyer when out of controller range),Reactor Blast,Night Vision

Wargear-
Vulturax Arc Blaster(24",S6 AP5,Heavy 3,Haywire,Shred)
2xSetheno Pattern Havoc Launchers(48",S5 AP5,Heavy 2,Blast,Twin Linked,Re-roll sucessful cover saves)
Enhanced Targeting Array,Flare Shield,Searchlight

Is a Fast Attack choice for Mechanicum Taghmata. Can take another 2 Vulturax in the unit,has options for blessed autosimulacra and power blades.

Is there stats for the Ta'unar heavy railgun?

From FB:

Leman Russ looks very feral. One of my favourites of the Primarch models so far.

GW Day in Amsterdam was a rip off! pay 12euro to only shop at a FW stand.... No normal GW store items. Bad placement of golden daemon with he sun in the back...

I don't think i go next time only if you want to buy over 100 euro+ it's worth to go but the place was hard to reach with public transporting.

O and they only had 30k legion stuff, i buy some FW Nids and its all ordering only + side was no shipping cost.

Two axes, a sword, and a shield... Anyone spot a ranged weapon on the model that I'm missing? I was almost positive that he was said to carry a sword and a bolt pistol.

I think Leman Russ looks pretty awesome - maybe not painted blonde (or as blonde), and with wolves running alongside he'd look even better. But I agree with Steiner, probably my favorite to date!

And that Vulturax is cool, although almost reminds me of the FW Nurgle drone.

Maybe because the Vulturax is what will become a drone over time?

 BrookM wrote:
Maybe because the Vulturax is what will become a drone over time?

Drones are a lot smaller I think. But they certainly represent the same technology and design, warped over thousands of years by the Dark Mechanicum.

Picked up a Russ for a fellow DCM, here's a component breakdown for those interested:





Russ has a pistol at the very least to go with his sword and axe.

Also, Freki and Geri are on the way, confirmed!

 beezley1981 wrote:
Two axes, a sword, and a shield... Anyone spot a ranged weapon on the model that I'm missing? I was almost positive that he was said to carry a sword and a bolt pistol.

Russ has a conceal carry permit. He wears it in a middle back holster

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:

 beezley1981 wrote:
Two axes, a sword, and a shield... Anyone spot a ranged weapon on the model that I'm missing? I was almost positive that he was said to carry a sword and a bolt pistol.

Russ has a conceal carry permit. He wears it in a middle back holster

The council of Nibea formally made the whole empire into an open-carry state. Russ claim he can still carry his pistol concealed though. It technically not being a firearm since it's bullets are not propelled by gunpowder but through the spirit of Fenris.

Painted pimp wagons. Via fb again:

No Fires of Cyraxus again!? I'm starting to think its been delayed into next year.

 Gamgee wrote:
No Fires of Cyraxus again!? I'm starting to think its been delayed into next year.

It'll be available Warhammer 40,000 weekend I'm betting...

They had some nice book art on display, plus sweeeeeet art from the upcoming Prospero book, but that's about it.

 Gamgee wrote:
No Fires of Cyraxus again!? I'm starting to think its been delayed into next year.

They said late this year or early next year at the last event I'm pretty sure (same for Inferno).

 CragHack wrote:
Painted pimp wagons. Via fb again:

A thing of beauty, the gun placement at the front bothers me greatly though, they seem fixed forward firing.

Where are all the new models? the previews of upcoming releases?
Dont opendays normally have more stuff?

This is so lame for an open day. Nothing cool to show off.

Nothing cool for you maybe.. where is that tiny violin again?

I hope they bring out that new 40k book just to shut you up.

It's Leman Russ! The next month to two months is going to have him out on general release, the Prospero plastic box set from GW and the book of the Propsero 30k story.

Why are you surprised that there is not a sniff of this 40k campaign book when there is a 40k day in early November when it will be preview time for it?

That tank is excellent barring the silly front spine protusion that most of the FW mech have, Shaving that off....

LR. Hmmm, back shield is excellent as are the weapons but to me, it looks like hes going to literally take off.
On. A. Jetpack.
Dislike.

Yay, the Macrocarid looks nearly ready to come out!

They also had the weapon upgrade kits for the Ultramarines, Emperor's Children, Death Guard and something else on display (can't remember what the fourth one was, sorreh!), along with assault cannons for Cataphractii pattern terminator armour.

There were also a pair of unpainted Tu'na suits on display, but as far as I could tell, nothing new about those. Boring!

Was the 4th one Chainglaives for Night Lords? They were shown with the others before I think.

Yes! That's the one.

I remember it being something curved on a stick with teeth on it.

Don't forget more Blood Bowl previews

Plenty of cool thing. Just because there's no new Tau stuff, doesn't mean it isn't cool.
And honestly Tau really don't need any new stuff beyond a new book from FW to add new units and make the Ta'unar balanced and a new book from GW to make everything (ie. Riptide, mega-detachment, etc) more balanced and fun to play against.

...just the opposite, in fact!

So they went with the Viking king from the '13th warrior' look for Russ, not a bad look, but I would have thought he be more hairy.

Does anyone else think the stormbird cargo bay is too narrow, I mean there is like 6 inches from the sides after a rhino drives in, how do the passengers get in or out?

In other news, Inferno is at least another 12 weeks out, most likely even more. Apparently Alan Bligh is still putting the final touches (I'd assume formatting and maybe another round or two of proofreading), and it usually takes 12 weeks between pens down and release for FW's books.

FW actually proofread...?

To be fair, they are generally better at it nowadays, although IA13 bucked the trend.

 Haighus wrote:
FW actually proofread...?

Certainly more than GW main does

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
FW actually proofread...?

Certainly more than GW main does

Still took 'em three goes to actually include the Rad-Phage rule in the same book as any of the weapons that use the rule….

So we might get the Prospero box set and Russ before we get a sniff of any rules?

Terrible planning there.

The 30k rules for Custodes will be in the next White Dwarf issue. Releasing the Inferno book at a later date gives the boardgame its room, the release plan looked very crowded already. Everyone would like to get releases as early as possible but this allows people to buy it step by step and not being flooded by four armies at once - it isnt only about Marines anymore, Custodes and Sisters are getting a new range of miniatures including vehicles according to FW. Both sales- and hobbywise it isn't a bad thing to spread releases over a longer time. Let's see if there will be further rules as PDFs or in WD accompanying the miniatures.

 Big Mac wrote:
So they went with the Viking king from the '13th warrior' look for Russ, not a bad look, but I would have thought he be more hairy.

Does anyone else think the stormbird cargo bay is too narrow, I mean there is like 6 inches from the sides after a rhino drives in, how do the passengers get in or out?

It's a model. I imagine if they made it bigger, it would cause some problems.

In reality, I imagine there would be a lot more room.

As is, the Stormbird is already a big and impractical model, which while a whole lot sturdier and easier to assemble than their previous attempts at flyers, is still quite useless gamewise due to its size and dimension.

 CragHack wrote:
Painted pimp wagons. Via fb again:

OMFG NEED/WANT.

I love the homage to the cerastus-knight acheron in the band going across the armour plates on the top middle of the tracks and the similar look of the other panels to Titan Armour plate (particularly the warhound leg-armour)

And they seem to have painted it in my colours too!
They didn't need to try that hard; but i'm getting two now...

 CragHack wrote:
Painted pimp wagons. Via fb again:

Agh, too beautiful. Absolutely loving the Loewy-esque decor on it. Wouldn't look out of place is some kind of Space-(National Socialist) invasion fleet.
But instead of grey Axis colours, I'll be tidying mine up in warplock'd Waagh Flesh and chrome, maybe some vegetable patch camoflague...
"Macrocarrot".

Oh and em-en-oh-pe, according to battle bunnies, the House Vyronii transfers are at the printers.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Oh and em-en-oh-pe, according to battle bunnies, the House Vyronii transfers are at the printers.

HALLELUJAH! A year later and finally at the printers. Now I think I can comfortably start building the army, as by the time they release I should be at the decal stage. Sweeeeeeet!

Thanks for the update. Now I will whine about it much less!

That vehicle is lovely- just so blocky and menacing. Looks like it could resist a nuke.

 Gamgee wrote:
This is so lame for an open day. Nothing cool to show off.

Upset the Pan Fo were not reviled?

 Big Mac wrote:
So they went with the Viking king from the '13th warrior' look for Russ, not a bad look, but I would have thought he be more hairy.

Does anyone else think the stormbird cargo bay is too narrow, I mean there is like 6 inches from the sides after a rhino drives in, how do the passengers get in or out?

The back ramp of the Rhino.

No word on that sweet new knight?

 BrookM wrote:
As is, the Stormbird is already a big and impractical model, which while a whole lot sturdier and easier to assemble than their previous attempts at flyers, is still quite useless gamewise due to its size and dimension.

To be fair, that's a problem with all Super Heavy Flyers, not just the Stormbird. They easily rank highest on the "most difficult to use in a game" and "most difficult to transport" categories as an overall unit type. At least the Stormbird isn't a freaking Manta

 Mymearan wrote:
I'm a huge Imperial Fist fan so that color scheme brings a tear to my eye. So Beautiful my big, yellow cheese!

Yes, it is a beautiful thing!

 BrookM wrote:
There were also a pair of unpainted Tu'na suits on display, but as far as I could tell, nothing new about those. Boring!

That seems a bit fishy to me.

Caederes wrote:
To be fair, that's a problem with all Super Heavy Flyers, not just the Stormbird. They easily rank highest on the "most difficult to use in a game" and "most difficult to transport" categories as an overall unit type. At least the Stormbird isn't a freaking Manta

Yeah, ugh, trying to transport and use the Marauder is a pain. That one model takes up more transport space than the rest of my army combined.

 BrookM wrote:
They also had the weapon upgrade kits for the Ultramarines, Emperor's Children, Death Guard and something else on display (can't remember what the fourth one was, sorreh!), along with assault cannons for Cataphractii pattern terminator armour.

There were also a pair of unpainted Tu'na suits on display, but as far as I could tell, nothing new about those. Boring!

Weapon upgrades for EC and DG?

Joyboozer wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
They also had the weapon upgrade kits for the Ultramarines, Emperor's Children, Death Guard and something else on display (can't remember what the fourth one was, sorreh!), along with assault cannons for Cataphractii pattern terminator armour.

There were also a pair of unpainted Tu'na suits on display, but as far as I could tell, nothing new about those. Boring!

Weapon upgrades for EC and DG?

Yeah, Pheonix spears for the EC and power scythes for the DG.

I thought we had heard that the Heavy Rail Cannon Array for the Ta'unar was getting released at this event? Is that not so?

Could be, they had several Tu'na on display, though in my defence, I can't be arsed to bother with the Tau, not my army.

It was yeah, based on the photos of the brochure of stuff available on battle bunnies.

So.......are their a compliltion of pics from this event?

Wasn't that much to see in all honesty, nothing new aside from Blood Bowl (see that thread for the info) and we saw stuff that has been previewed online ages ago, but with no solid release date, as teasing is better than pleasing..

Found some pics, seem the only new things where storm shields and assault cannons, kinda boring

Nothing tyranid related on the way?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Found some pics, seem the only new things where storm shields and assault cannons, kinda boring

They aren't new. New things were Russ and the Macrocarid Mechanicum tank.

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
No word on that sweet new knight?

I thought, that I'm actually quite happy about it. With pound still falling down, it might end up cheaper. Unless FW will do another 10% secret increase. Or they will adjust the price accordingly.

Maybe this pic shows the pose problem. That is a seriously cattywampus running pose. Looks like he is trying to change directions mid stride.

I dare anyone to run and get into that position while running...

 ImAGeek wrote:
From FB:

The sword is so heavy it serves to counterbalance his ridiculous position ?

I think I'll wait to see Magnus before I judge Russ's pose too harshly. Aren't they going to be a matched pair like Fulgrim and Ferrus were?

 adamsouza wrote:
The sword is so heavy it serves to counterbalance his ridiculous position ?

He is trying to turn right while his sword is going left. There is going to be a collision at some point and Mr. Russ is about to fall flat on his face, assuming he does not cut himself in half with this own sword...

T

There's all sorts of perspective trickery afoot, admittedly, but that sword doesn't look straight to my eye.

I think my biggest gripe with Russ is that he's a huge, heavily armored Primarch, and yet his steps look absurdly light for running into battle. There's no sense of weight or solidity in how his foot connects with the base. The pose looks as though the front foot is landing, not yet pushing off, so it shouldn't be raised up on the toes/ball of the foot yet, at that point in the stride.

He is mid stride dodging an incoming attack while preparing for a backward slash counter attack.

Imagine a large weapon traversing top right to lower left (from our perspective) as he is rushing forward.

Exactly! I think the pose is fine, but would look even cooler with a few wolves running alongside him

Well... Night of the wolf diorama anyone?

 Formosa wrote:
Well... Night of the wolf diorama anyone?

Seems like a waste of money to model Russ underneath Angron's feet, but hey, accuracy is everything, amirite?!

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Well... Night of the wolf diorama anyone?

Seems like a waste of money to model Russ underneath Angron's feet, but hey, accuracy is everything, amirite?!

It would be worth all the weebo tears

It'd be shame, though...adding all that dust and blood to the Russ model would obscure all those lovely sculpted details.

 Formosa wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Well... Night of the wolf diorama anyone?

Seems like a waste of money to model Russ underneath Angron's feet, but hey, accuracy is everything, amirite?!

It would be worth all the weebo tears

Are weeaboos that much into Russ instead of pretty boy Sanguinus?

Only been back in to gameswork shop games the last couple of months. Picked up the betrayal set on Saturday, making the marines in to space wolves and now russ is coming out. Hmm looks like he's going on the Xmas list.

a less warped photo (and sadly the LE standard bearer still looks very rough)



via adeptus astartes on facebook

I really hope that is not Ventanus. I can't see how they could release such a big and well known character in such a way, it would surely be released as part of the HH Character series? Ventanus is the Ultramarines equivalent of Alexis Pollux or Loken, he is a big name.

Rough is not the word..

Really limited quantities around here, the local GW store in Utrecht will only get 17 of them and has been taking pre-orders via Facebook.

 BrookM wrote:
Really limited quantities around here, the local GW store in Utrecht will only get 17 of them and has been taking pre-orders via Facebook.

They may not need more, it is certainly not the most popular model made by FW...

Looks like a third party knock-off. Disappointing.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Looks like a third party knock-off. Disappointing.

Maybe someone at Forge world copied from the wrong file folder

 Haighus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Really limited quantities around here, the local GW store in Utrecht will only get 17 of them and has been taking pre-orders via Facebook.

They may not need more, it is certainly not the most popular model made by FW...

Never underestimate the scum of ebay and the people who genuinely collect these minis.

WHFB AoS stuff today, I guess, and a bundle for people with more money than sense.

I'm wondering if that Titan bundle is the shape of things to come - that looks to be a very close match to what was discussed and rumoured for a typical Adeptus Titanicus force...

shade1313 wrote:
I think my biggest gripe with Russ is that he's a huge, heavily armored Primarch, and yet his steps look absurdly light for running into battle. There's no sense of weight or solidity in how his foot connects with the base. The pose looks as though the front foot is landing, not yet pushing off, so it shouldn't be raised up on the toes/ball of the foot yet, at that point in the stride.

Even regular power armoured marines are supposed to be extremely fast moving at speeds beyond normal human so why not primarch who is even more of a super-human?

Too bad, no savings on Fimirs :( Speaking about the Titan bundle, I've seen quite a few on facebooks, who bought all those titans separately

I think the idea is that in order to gain access to the next IA book, you have to buy the Titan Maniple.

Jesus Christ
FW REALLY DO LIKE TO KEEP US WAITING HUH?

 commander dante wrote:
Jesus Christ
FW REALLY DO LIKE TO KEEP US WAITING HUH?

What are you waiting for?

Either that Imperial Armour book or that new type of Knight.

Not going to deny, feeling very tempted by the Fimir's. Hm...getting a tax rebate through in a few days, maybe after I've paid off the credit card, I may treat myself

 BrookM wrote:
Either that Imperial Armour book or that new type of Knight.

Here here! Seconded.

Do like the new fimir noble model.
No rules for him yet though as it links straight to normal fimir.
And isn't it about time we had a command group for them too?

Either way, nice models and a refreshing blast from the past too.
Nice to know they still acknowledge the older stuff.

 Jackal wrote:
Do like the new fimir noble model.
No rules for him yet though as it links straight to normal fimir.

I could have sworn the rules were already out, with him described as a 'Fimir Dirach Balefield' - it's listed in the points list but I can't find actual rules anywhere... :-(

Loving that Fimir. Definitely seeing myself ordering one to paint at some point. Lovely stuff

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
a less warped photo (and sadly the LE standard bearer still looks very rough)



via adeptus astartes on facebook

He just may be getting a helmet.

 Jackal wrote:
Do like the new fimir noble model.
No rules for him yet though as it links straight to normal fimir.
And isn't it about time we had a command group for them too?

Either way, nice models and a refreshing blast from the past too.
Nice to know they still acknowledge the older stuff.

The Noble is just the squad leader of the warriors, hes not a hero. The Noble has 4 attacks instead of the usual 3.

He does look like a hero and if that's just what the normal captains look like, I expect the Fimiarch leaders to cascade down to the battlefield on royal purple rays.

 BrookM wrote:
Either that Imperial Armour book or that new type of Knight.

Fires of Cyraxus

There's a separate points cost for him in the rules though which is odd.

I see he's the unit leader but not sure why he has a separate cost to the unit.

Oh I didnt even know there were points costs for these guys.

 commander dante wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Either that Imperial Armour book or that new type of Knight.

Fires of Cyraxus

It won't be out til next year. HH book 7 is ~3 months away (they'll probably release it at the weekender in February) and it's coming out after that. So don't expect it any time soon!

Fimir Warrior rules are pretty good. They'd be a really strong elite addition to any Destruction army.

Just buying all those Titans costs £3,146. So you save £296 total. That is pretty decent. Like getting a Warhound almost for free... but not quite.

No idea who the are marketing this to, but hey... someone out there will order it. Right?

And where the heck are my decals!

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Just buying all those Titans costs £3,146. So you save £296 total. That is pretty decent. Like getting a Warhound almost for free... but not quite.

No idea who the are marketing this to, but hey... someone out there will order it. Right?

And where the heck are my decals!

I just need a second Reaver body and I have that bundle already. Would have been cool if they threw in some Hoplites and Titan crew on foot as a bonus.

The Fimir's unnatural skin ability thing means you have to outright kill them to ensure they are dead right? As they just restore to full wounds at each hero phase. Would be nasty as a big blob unit, would force your opponent to throw a lot of stuff at them to make sure they die.

Not so much.
Wounds are stacked on a single model until it's dead, then you move on to the next one.
So you will only heal 1-2 wounds usually.

No wound bouncing tricks for spreading them over the whole unit.

RAILGUN!!!!!

 Peregrine wrote:
RAILGUN!!!!!

I see the Tau are still in extreme over compensation mode. Looks absurd.

Yaaay... more Tau stuff.

Please, FW. feth IoM and Tau off for a moment and give us some more shiny (non-Tau) Xenos.

I think it's the best looking of the three weapons.

 Peregrine wrote:
RAILGUN!!!!!

The rules are pretty good too! You can fire both modes at the same time!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Tau-Kx139-Ta%E2%80%99unar.pdf

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Yaaay... more Tau stuff.

Please, FW. feth IoM and Tau off for a moment and give us some more shiny (non-Tau) Xenos.

It's almost like the next non-HH book has Tau in it or something.

;P

So this is pretty much rail.... against the machine...

In other news I hear that to make the fuel for the rockets on that weapon the Tau pulped the entire first printing of the upcoming IA book.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think it's the best looking of the three weapons.

Without a doubt. I think it looks great. Love the missile barrage thing.

Not bad at all, but I still rather the Tri-Pulse weapon
Quite better than the Nexus missile, though.

As wrong as it feels, I want that gun. Might look good in Farsight Red.

 chalkobob wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
RAILGUN!!!!!

The rules are pretty good too! You can fire both modes at the same time!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Tau-Kx139-Ta%E2%80%99unar.pdf

Spoiler:

The heavy rail cannon array comprises two weapons which may be fired simultainously:
-
Heavy rail cannon
Range 120"
Strength D
AP 1
Ordnance 1, Blast (3")
Mass-induction targeting*
-
Cluster shells
Range 36"
Strength 6
AP 4
Apocalyptic Barrage (4), Pinning

*Mass-induction Targeting:
When firing against Super-heavy or Gargantuan targets, roll
twice on the Destroyer Weapon Attack table, and pick the higher result.

The rules for this "suit" are bonkers. It is a gargantuan creature, so safe against poison and snipers, its freaking T9, 10W, 2+/4++ (against shooting), BS2 overwatch. For 600 pts. WTF.
Scabbiethrax is only T9 6W

The Heavyrail Cannon weapon is better than the Nexus systems, but not as good as its default pulse weapon.

The small blast kills it. That limits its targets a lot. I would have preferred a single target weapon than this dumb small blast. The markerlight support goes up extremely high with the railcannon weapon.

It's small blast means it's going to miss way more frequently than it hits super heavy targets.

Also to all those who bitched about it the Ta'unar is getting a price increase. One more reason to now never take it since grav spam can kill it in one turn and its now even more expensive. Ah well I guess we'll have to survive with two Stormsurge spam which is superior in all ways anyways.

Guy from ATT went to FW Open Day and met some designer folks. They told him that IA14 won't come out this year and that Ta'unar will get a point hike

 Vector Strike wrote:
Guy from ATT went to FW Open Day and met some designer folks. They told him that IA14 won't come out this year and that Ta'unar will get a point hike

RIP Ta'unar.

Tu'na getting a hike? Good to hear!

 chalkobob wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
RAILGUN!!!!!

The rules are pretty good too! You can fire both modes at the same time!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Tau-Kx139-Ta%E2%80%99unar.pdf

Spoiler:

The heavy rail cannon array comprises two weapons which may be fired simultainously:
-
Heavy rail cannon
Range 120"
Strength D
AP 1
Ordnance 1, Blast (3")
Mass-induction targeting*
-
Cluster shells
Range 36"
Strength 6
AP 4
Apocalyptic Barrage (4), Pinning

*Mass-induction Targeting:
When firing against Super-heavy or Gargantuan targets, roll
twice on the Destroyer Weapon Attack table, and pick the higher result.

Of course you can, has anything written for that big ugly POS been remotely balanced lol. Sorry, getting big anime Tau suit fatige myself

damn dup post.

 BrookM wrote:
Tu'na getting a hike? Good to hear!

I dunno, looks rather ugly to me. This ridiculously huge gun on a pathetically tiny platform and that cluster thing that looks like it just toppled and is in a process of falling apart is too much anime even for Tau.
Also I'd have to agree - the default weaponry is still simply better in most situations.

 Gamgee wrote:
The Heavyrail Cannon weapon is better than the Nexus systems, but not as good as its default pulse weapon.

The small blast kills it. That limits its targets a lot. I would have preferred a single target weapon than this dumb small blast. The markerlight support goes up extremely high with the railcannon weapon.

It's small blast means it's going to miss way more frequently than it hits super heavy targets.

Will barely miss more than a single shot weapon against Super heavies. Vs a Knight/Wraithknight, which are pretty much the smallest Super heavy/Gargauntuans, the blast will land on the base somewhere between 58% and 72% of the time (variance is due to the oval base, 58% would be if the base was a circle with 105mm diametre, 72% if it was 170mm diametre), when taking into account the BS 4 of the Tau'na and the 1.5" of leeway gained by the blast marker. With the use of one markerlight, this goes up to between 72% and 83%. A single shot weapon will hit 66% of the time at BS 4 and 83% at BS 5 with a markerlight. So a blast is slightly less accurate than a single shot, but only against a target as small as a Knight. Against any larger Super heavy, like a Baneblade, it becomes more accurate with the same investment. I don't see your logic.

 Gamgee wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Guy from ATT went to FW Open Day and met some designer folks. They told him that IA14 won't come out this year and that Ta'unar will get a point hike

RIP Ta'unar.

...Oh noes, the experimental points costs are being tweaked from feedback of it being out in the wild where it was found to be wildly undercosted for what it is!

RIP Ta'unar? More like "Fixed finally".

 Haighus wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The Heavyrail Cannon weapon is better than the Nexus systems, but not as good as its default pulse weapon.

The small blast kills it. That limits its targets a lot. I would have preferred a single target weapon than this dumb small blast. The markerlight support goes up extremely high with the railcannon weapon.

It's small blast means it's going to miss way more frequently than it hits super heavy targets.

Will barely miss more than a single shot weapon against Super heavies. Vs a Knight/Wraithknight, which are pretty much the smallest Super heavy/Gargauntuans, the blast will land on the base somewhere between 58% and 72% of the time (variance is due to the oval base, 58% would be if the base was a circle with 105mm diametre, 72% if it was 170mm diametre), when taking into account the BS 4 of the Tau'na and the 1.5" of leeway gained by the blast marker. With the use of one markerlight, this goes up to between 72% and 83%. A single shot weapon will hit 66% of the time at BS 4 and 83% at BS 5 with a markerlight. So a blast is slightly less accurate than a single shot, but only against a target as small as a Knight. Against any larger Super heavy, like a Baneblade, it becomes more accurate with the same investment. I don't see your logic.

Your right. I was thinking about this more in the shower. You know combined with its rockets I think I might see this as my default gun for the Ta'unar. Glad I ordered one already. The rockets really sell this with apocalyptic barrage 4 since they allow it do basically fire on both modes of the default pulse ordinance array at the same time and at any targets I want. Yeah it's not as strong as the barrage mode of the pulse array but it's still potent anti-infantry firepower to stop most targets. The more I think about it the more I like it. It's also the coolest looking weapon for it.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Yaaay... more Tau stuff.

Please, FW. feth IoM and Tau off for a moment and give us some more shiny (non-Tau) Xenos.

It's almost like the next non-HH book has Tau in it or something.

;P

Legends speak of a new IA book that includes Tau and Mechanicus in it. Ive been waiting for it for ages. I think it is just a myth though.

 Kanluwen wrote:
...Oh noes, the experimental points costs are being tweaked from feedback of it being out in the wild where it was found to be wildly undercosted for what it is!

RIP Ta'unar? More like "Fixed finally".

More like "massively over-nerfed finally". People may have complained enough to get it nerfed, but as long as 750 point turbolaser Warhounds exist it's not a justified nerf.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Guy from ATT went to FW Open Day and met some designer folks. They told him that IA14 won't come out this year and that Ta'unar will get a point hike

RIP Ta'unar.

...Oh noes, the experimental points costs are being tweaked from feedback of it being out in the wild where it was found to be wildly undercosted for what it is!

RIP Ta'unar? More like "Fixed finally".

This. Titans being broken is a separate issue and two wrongs do not make a right.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Yaaay... more Tau stuff.

Please, FW. feth IoM and Tau off for a moment and give us some more shiny (non-Tau) Xenos.

It's almost like the next non-HH book has Tau in it or something.

;P

Legends speak of a new IA book that includes Tau and Mechanicus in it. Ive been waiting for it for ages. I think it is just a myth though.

It's delayed to next year. GG.

The gun itself looks cool, but the way it's attached to the frame is what's lacking. I'd rather a big generator thing on the opposite shoulder than a cluster missile launcher; a railgun of this size feels like it should be significant enough to take up both shoulders.

EDIT: Might look good if it replaces one of the arm mounts, though.

Rumor has it that the Fires of Cyraxus was delayed until next year because they want to get Adeptus Titanicus out asap.

Never understood the complaints against the Ta'unar, I've seen it used twice and both times Draigo and his Paladins beat it to death.

 Imateria wrote:
Never understood the complaints against the Ta'unar, I've seen it used twice and both times Draigo and his Paladins beat it to death.

The Dice Gods care not from whence the blood flows, only that it does

Even with your best buffs, a dice roll can pan out badly, so mithering about having to face one is a bit pointless really IMO.

Man... if people are salty about the Taunar getting nerfed, the salt will flow when the Y'vahra's cost increases. That is the real OP model for Tau at the moment.

I own one and feel guilty every time I field it. There is no way it goes to print at its current experimental point cost.

I agree that the Y'vahra needs a points bump. I bought one because it looked cool, and was shocked by its power level.

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 Gamgee wrote:
The Heavyrail Cannon weapon is better than the Nexus systems, but not as good as its default pulse weapon.

The small blast kills it. That limits its targets a lot. I would have preferred a single target weapon than this dumb small blast. The markerlight support goes up extremely high with the railcannon weapon.

It's small blast means it's going to miss way more frequently than it hits super heavy targets.

Also to all those who bitched about it the Ta'unar is getting a price increase. One more reason to now never take it since grav spam can kill it in one turn and its now even more expensive. Ah well I guess we'll have to survive with two Stormsurge spam which is superior in all ways anyways.

LOL, it needs a points hike. Anything that takes 40 Lascannon HITS to down for 600 points is just stupid. Math: T9, so Lascannon wounds on 4+, suit has 4++ against shooting, so...40 hits=10 unsaved wounds.

You forgot that it is gargantuan so it has FNP.

Althornin wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The Heavyrail Cannon weapon is better than the Nexus systems, but not as good as its default pulse weapon.

The small blast kills it. That limits its targets a lot. I would have preferred a single target weapon than this dumb small blast. The markerlight support goes up extremely high with the railcannon weapon.

It's small blast means it's going to miss way more frequently than it hits super heavy targets.

Also to all those who bitched about it the Ta'unar is getting a price increase. One more reason to now never take it since grav spam can kill it in one turn and its now even more expensive. Ah well I guess we'll have to survive with two Stormsurge spam which is superior in all ways anyways.

LOL, it needs a points hike. Anything that takes 40 Lascannon HITS to down for 600 points is just stupid. Math: T9, so Lascannon wounds on 4+, suit has 4++ against shooting, so...40 hits=10 unsaved wounds.

If Lascannons are your go to weapon for dealing with Titan level enemies (and I mean Titan, not Imperial Knight) then you're doing something wrong.

Besides, you're better off with Grav as you're wounding on 2's.

 Imateria wrote:

Althornin wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The Heavyrail Cannon weapon is better than the Nexus systems, but not as good as its default pulse weapon.

The small blast kills it. That limits its targets a lot. I would have preferred a single target weapon than this dumb small blast. The markerlight support goes up extremely high with the railcannon weapon.

It's small blast means it's going to miss way more frequently than it hits super heavy targets.

Also to all those who bitched about it the Ta'unar is getting a price increase. One more reason to now never take it since grav spam can kill it in one turn and its now even more expensive. Ah well I guess we'll have to survive with two Stormsurge spam which is superior in all ways anyways.

LOL, it needs a points hike. Anything that takes 40 Lascannon HITS to down for 600 points is just stupid. Math: T9, so Lascannon wounds on 4+, suit has 4++ against shooting, so...40 hits=10 unsaved wounds.

If Lascannons are your go to weapon for dealing with Titan level enemies (and I mean Titan, not Imperial Knight) then you're doing something wrong.

Besides, you're better off with Grav as you're wounding on 2's.

That's great to know!
Where in the Guard codex is Grav again?


So yeah. Lascannons are not "great" for dealing with things like that, but guess what? Not every army has access to those things or equivalent weaponry without allying things in.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Where in the Guard codex is Grav again?

it's in the allies matrix.

smartass

 axisofentropy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Where in the Guard codex is Grav again?

it's in the allies matrix.

smartass

CSM then?

Ooh, ooh! Sisters of Battle? Where is their grav?

The old "Drive up in a rhino and shoot with 4 meltaguns" doesn't really work if they all get deaded on turn 1.

 axisofentropy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Where in the Guard codex is Grav again?

it's in the allies matrix.

Which isn't the Guard codex, and as has been harped upon time and time again, people should not be forced to use Allies to deal with crap like GMCs.

Simple fact? Some armies have access to Lascannons as their 'best' AP/S weapon.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Where in the Guard codex is Grav again?

it's in the allies matrix.

smartass

CSM then?

You realize they have titans too right?

Poor old Nid Hierophant takes another one to the gut with that weapon stat line. Ho hum.

kenbian wrote:
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Leman Russ Saturday morning!!

Since when did Russ wear Alpha Legion colored Armor?

Here's hoping the online store entry comes with rules!

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Where in the Guard codex is Grav again?

it's in the allies matrix.

smartass

CSM then?

You realize they have titans too right?

Oh, I forgot to take FNP into account, so it really needs 60 Lascannon *hits*.
You're right, the only counters to this 600 point beast should be titans. How many shots from a Double-barrelled turbo-laser destructor will it take to take this thing down? Lets see, each strength D unsaved would will take an average of 2 wounds (D3 wounds) off, so that's 5 wounding hits, and it has a 4++ against shooting, so, only 10 hits. *only*...
My problem is the points cost is just too low. And unlike a vehicle, where weapons can get damaged, etc - so, as hull points get removed, it gets worse - the GMC remains just as killy up to the end.

We all agree its points are to low. FW is fixing this. The GMC rules make no sense for it but probably won't change. Super heavy vehicles also tend to have rules that prevent combat efficiency reduction. Knights are a prime example. I think the thing should have haywire affect it like poison. That one rule added would let FW save face and keep the stupid thing a GMC. And it would make sense fluff wise.
My hard counter to one is a 3 knight beat down. Or ignore it and maim every thing else.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

kenbian wrote:
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Leman Russ Saturday morning!!

Since when did Russ wear Alpha Legion colored Armor?

It is to show his true allegiance.
HYDRA DOMINATUS!.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Where in the Guard codex is Grav again?

it's in the allies matrix.

smartass

CSM then?

You realize they have titans too right?

Not for 600points.

Tau can fit a Ta'unar into matches CSM can't fit a titan into.

 Ashiraya wrote:


Not for 600points.

Tau can fit a Ta'unar into matches CSM can't fit a titan into.

I do tend to believe the Kx139 armor is slightly underpriced, but less so than is commonly imagined. Comparisons in relative combat strength tend to identify that against Warhound titans (or equivilant), it tends to lose to 4 D weapon shots, but the Tau suit a bit better when it comes to non-titan fights.

When I compare it to Knights on the other hand, it seems to match equivolant firepower fairly well. The Tau's Durability is a bit superior (scaled on point value. it is clearly superior to most knights on a 1-1 basis)

I think the strongest argument to me is the one above about being able to fit the biggest toughest guy into more matches. This does not affect me (who only will bring this model to giant games where the Kx139 will be outclassed by half the models on the table.

my strongest belief on this topic in general, though, is that comparing superheavies between factions (that have access to allied armies) is WAY too nebulous a topic to reach strong conclusions either way.

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
We all agree its points are to low. FW is fixing this. The GMC rules make no sense for it but probably won't change. Super heavy vehicles also tend to have rules that prevent combat efficiency reduction. Knights are a prime example. I think the thing should have haywire affect it like poison. That one rule added would let FW save face and keep the stupid thing a GMC. And it would make sense fluff wise.
My hard counter to one is a 3 knight beat down. Or ignore it and maim every thing else.

I do wish ALL Tau suits were treated as walker based vehicle. (which was what it was supposed to be but in the 3rd and 4th editions , GW playtesting pushed them into a trooper with Toughness model. In more modern editions of the 40k rules, This would be feasable, but I would guess GW is likely to uproot from the "models with toughness" concept.

your "Or ignore it and maim every thing else" is really the unsung hero of debate. That's not to say you can lose a game while ignoring an enemy's killer unit, but often you don't have to kill the enemy's biggest toy to win the game.

Althornin wrote:

My problem is the points cost is just too low. And unlike a vehicle, where weapons can get damaged, etc - so, as hull points get removed, it gets worse - the GMC remains just as killy up to the end.

To my knowledge, Superheavy vehicles are similarly immune to the additional effects from the damage table (like shaken, weapon destroyed) like GMCs...so that comparison only works if you are comparing GMC to regular vehicles.