I finally got this game! I played one of those starter games from the set, and it was a lot of fun! I somehow won the match too with the two Tie Fighters.
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So, I was looking at the new ships coming out on the war store, and I noticed that if you enlarge the pictures they have the resolution is incredibly clear; and they basically partially spoil the upcoming ships. It doesn't make them playable, but it does provide a bit of a framework of what can be expected from the upcoming ships.
So for whatever it's worth...
Spoiler:
Tie Interceptor Primary Weapon Value: 3
Agility Value: 3
Hull Value: 3
Shield Value: 0
Actions: Evade, Boost, Barrel Roll, Focus
Pilot Name: Boontir Fel
Pilot Skill: 9
Spoiler:
Slave 1 Primary Weapon Value: 3
Agility Value: 2
Hull Value: 6
Shield Value: 4
Actions: Evade, Target Lock, Focus
Pilot Name: Boba Fett
Pilot Skill: 8
Also, the firing Arc for Slave1 seems to be different from the other ships, but it doesn't appear to have a 360 turret.
ucfan34 - TIE Interceptor pilot is probably Baron Soontir Fel, while the A-Wing one is Tycho Celchu. Both are EU characters, though Tycho is technically present during RotJ - IIRC, that was a retcon of an unnamed character during the book Rogue Squadron.
And posting here in the unofficial x-wing thread is the right thing to do. The biggest thing (no pun intended) I've noticed about the cards posted on BGG and the preview is the sheer strafing speed of the Falcon and Slave 1 with boost. Even if they're technically using a 4 forward template, since you place the base in front of it they end up moving the equivalent of a 5 or 6 forward compared to a small base fighter. You can see the huge boost in distance the falcon gets in the preview from using a 1 forward boost action due to the size of the base.
I won the Firespray from a Kessel Run event and played the Millenium Falcon during the event. The ships are incredibly good looking and the cards they come with are utterly game changing. The new small ships play very unique as well.
The major issue you will find with the big ships is their bases are so massive that maneuvering is a huge issue. It's rather easy to cause a large ship to bump into you or an asteroid. That said, they hit like a ton of bricks if kitted out and take a pile of damage to take down. They also take 2 ion tokens to stall which combined with 360/rear arc fire makes Y-Wings a little less attractive.
I don't own any yet myself so I don't know if this would be overpowered.. but it seems like they should get some sort of defense against bumping into other ships like not losing their action completely but instead suffering some sort of penalty to their action since it will be happening so much. Maybe that would be too much but it just seems wierd because you generally see the semi truck in a collision not very damaged but the small sized sedan is totalled. The expected amount of collisions is why I've been contemplating the strafing strategy I mentioned above instead.
Ship to ship contact in Xwing doesn't represent collision though, the pilots are just too focused avoiding collision to perform any actions. And asteroids...well, they're asteroids.
I don't think you could tweak the action mechanic beyond on/off there's too much variety.
Bolder Battlefields Announcing the X-Wing (TM) Starfield Game Tile Kit
Upgrade your X-Wing™ play area! Fantasy Flight Games is pleased to announce the upcoming release of the Starfield Game Tile Kit. The X-Wing Starfield Game Tile Kit introduces twelve thick tiles that allow you to wage your X-Wing space battles above such iconic Star Wars features as Alderaan and the Death Star. Each of these sturdy tiles consists of matte-finished card stock mounted on 2.5mm fiber board and measures one square foot. Starfield tiles are all double-sided, and permit a wide range of possible configurations to create immersive settings as you fight for the fate of a galaxy far, far away....
Entering the Alderaan System
The Starfield Game Tile Kit provides a vivid backdrop for the deadly dogfights of your X-Wing games. Duel above the planet of Alderaan, dodge laser blasts within the thick of an asteroid field, or maneuver your squadrons into position as you close in upon the Death Star. With a little imagination, players can use these tiles to set the scenes for the stages of a dramatic, extended X-Wing campaign. No matter which scene you choose to depict with your Starfield Game Tile Kit, its thick, matte-finished, fiber board tiles form a smooth and durable play surface that won’t easily warp. If you’re looking for a play surface worthy of the galaxy’s most dramatic dogfights, Starfield tiles create a quality, custom play environment that will provide you years of service even as it enriches the depth and fantasy of your games!
Cooperative or Competitive Setup
The features depicted on the Starfield Game Tile Kit tiles have no standard gameplay function, but players may choose to treat the printed asteroids as obstacles. Accordingly, the Starfield Game Tile Kit comes with rules for both cooperative and competitive setup that allow players to incorporate the tiles’ printed features into their games, along with any number of obstacle tokens.
In a cooperative setup, the players arrange the Starfield tiles to construct a play surface of their choice. No placement restrictions impede their ability to create the scene of their choice, though all players must agree upon the final arrangement of the tiles and obstacle tokens.
Throughout a competitive setup, players take turns constructing the play surface, and positioning obstacles. The competitive setup includes some restrictions upon the placement of obstacles in order to ensure the match allows both players the chance to take full advantage of their maneuvers.
Starfield Game Tile Kit tiles create a quality, custom play surface:
- Twelve tiles, each one-foot square
- Durable 2.5 mm fiber board
- Smooth, matte-finished card stock
- Wide possible range of vivid Star Wars–themed scenes
The X-Wing Starfield Game Tile Kit is scheduled to arrive in the third quarter of 2013!
MOAR NEWS! So we will have starmaps and 4 new ships this year!!
The weekend of May 3rd, 4th, and 5th, 2013 is sure to be an event no Star Wars fan will want to miss
FFG wrote:we’ll announce the next four starship miniatures for X-Wing! Be there when we draw back the curtain and unveil, for the first time ever, four ships that are sure to shake up the X-Wing metagame when they arrive in stores later this year.
yeah,
(dual thread... N&R and in misc games!! can't have enough starwars! )
... I think we will see a official lambda and the first EU ship.
I'd bet on the tie defender.
It's a cool ship and due to it's familiar Tie design it wont offend those that only want movie ships.
Its already been made by lego so Lucas Arts have approved it before for mainstream consumption...
I really hope not, given its design concept of "overpowered ship that is clearly better than everything else in every way". Yeah, it had a purpose in the original game, but when you have a TIE that is faster than everything else, better armed than everything else, and better shielded than everything else in a two-player game it's just too much fanboy wishful thinking.
Manchu wrote: LOL beat you by 20 second, Panic!
It'll either be 2 Rebs and 2 Imps or 1 Reb, 1 Imp, and 2 neutrals.
By neutral, I mean ships that can be played in either a Reb or Imp list. The Lambda-class shuttle is a good example.
I didn't know which forum to post in!
I like the idea of neutral ships but so far FFG have forced ships to be one or the other... both the firespray and yt1300 could have been neutral and shipped with both imoperial and rebel pilots..
I really hope not, given its design concept of "overpowered ship that is clearly better than everything else in every way". Yeah, it had a purpose in the original game, but when you have a TIE that is faster than everything else, better armed than everything else, and better shielded than everything else in a two-player game it's just too much fanboy wishful thinking.
They dont have to match the x-wing vs tiefighter stats?
It can be set up as a smaller weaker firspray really... costly.
Reduce its stats? What would be the point? Emperor forbid the Imperials get a ship that's actually pretty good.
Anyway, I'd rather see a TIE Avenger first.
Peregrine wrote: Anyone who wants a TIE Defender is just a fanboy.
Fixed that for you Peregrine. If you're going to post the X-Wing equivalent of "Stop liking the things I don't like", at least be succinct.
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Manchu wrote: By neutral, I mean ships that can be played in either a Reb or Imp list. The Lambda-class shuttle is a good example.
The problem with the Lambda is that it's not really a 'fighter'. I mean, it's armed, but it's not really something you'd take into combat. To a point neither is a YT-1300 freighter, but given all the rules and whatnot the one in X-wing represents a modified "up gunned" version. End of the day the Lambda is a shuttlecraft and transport. Doesn't really scream "epic dog fights".
HBMC, are you arguing with yourself or me? Because I agree with the version of you that disagrees with you -- you know, the one that mentioned how the YT-1300 isn't really meant for dogfights but the one we have is "up-gunned." Good reasoning, that. Seems applicable to the Lambda as well.
yeah,
The Lambda is not made for combat and is pretty weakly armoured.
But it a firece armament of forward lasers and a rear facing gunner to defend it's passengers/cargo.
Edit: just checked the wiki and it disagrees with me..
The Lambda was reasonably well-armed, with three double blaster cannons (one rear-mounted) and two double laser cannons.[16] The military version built by Cygnus Spaceworks was armed with ten laser cannons. It was also protected by a powerful deflector shield, which was powered by a pair of generators. A Lambda was covered by a heavily reinforced hull capable of deflecting laser fire. The shuttle class was so well armed that it was able to travel across the galaxy without an escort, thus making it suitable for covert operations.
I really hope not, given its design concept of "overpowered ship that is clearly better than everything else in every way". Yeah, it had a purpose in the original game, but when you have a TIE that is faster than everything else, better armed than everything else, and better shielded than everything else in a two-player game it's just too much fanboy wishful thinking.
Meh, slap a couple shields on an Interceptor, provide all the relevant options, maybe drop the special action that the Interceptor gets and 'jack the price by 10 and you should get it about right. Would be nice to give Imperials their own option for an "Elite" fighter force.
And since I'm wishlisting anyways...
B-Wing: I'd like to see this guy end up as a kind of un-manouverable and slow ship which can toast anybody who finds themselves in front of it. Ion cannon, torps, missile, maybe 4 attack dice and decent shields, but only 1 evade and a horrible maneuver dial.
TIE Bomber: Make this thing a sniper- really weak armament and poor defensive stats and relatively unmanouverable, but able to spam torpedoes and missiles. Make it really good at a distance, but kinda bad otherwise.
Z-95 Headhunter: Offensive might of a Tie fighter and Agility of an X-wing- give the rebels a cheap "Swarm Fighter" (Since we're giving the Empire an elite "Ace")
warboss wrote: 1/270 scale Death Star? Limited edition of course.
At 593 meters for the DS-I and 2,963 meters for the DS-II models they may as well put in a nuclear reactor with the biggest green lasers yet built.
I think you slipped on your sizes, the DS2 isn't THAT much bigger than DS1.
Also...well, I've always thought of the TIE Defender as kind of fugly. The Avenger was a much better looking ship, to my eyes. I'd kit it out something like an Interceptor's move, agility, and firepower, add shields, another point of hull, allow it to take missiles and the mini-tractor beam weapon. Price appropriately (high), and there you go.
I really hope not, given its design concept of "overpowered ship that is clearly better than everything else in every way". Yeah, it had a purpose in the original game, but when you have a TIE that is faster than everything else, better armed than everything else, and better shielded than everything else in a two-player game it's just too much fanboy wishful thinking.
You do know it only has 1 gun and a Tractor Beam more than a B-wing, right? B-wing has 3 Ions, 1 Laser Cannon, 1 Twin Autoblaster, 2 Launchers vs the 4 Laser Cannons, 2 Ions, 2 Launchers, and 1 Tractor Beam of a Defender. Also, it's fast, but only just under a Interceptor(IN is 4240 G, D is 4220) and still slower than an A-wing(5100 G).
Honestly, it wouldn't be that hard to balance it in this system.
I really hope not, given its design concept of "overpowered ship that is clearly better than everything else in every way". Yeah, it had a purpose in the original game, but when you have a TIE that is faster than everything else, better armed than everything else, and better shielded than everything else in a two-player game it's just too much fanboy wishful thinking.
You do know it only has 1 gun and a Tractor Beam more than a B-wing, right? B-wing has 3 Ions, 1 Laser Cannon, 1 Twin Autoblaster, 2 Launchers vs the 4 Laser Cannons, 2 Ions, 2 Launchers, and 1 Tractor Beam of a Defender. Also, it's fast, but only just under a Interceptor(IN is 4240 G, D is 4220) and still slower than an A-wing(5100 G).
Honestly, it wouldn't be that hard to balance it in this system.
Yeah, one could make the tractor beam a support weapon that is functionally similar to the ion cannon, but prevents the target from voluntarily leaving the the arc and range band of the defender. If it does, it receives a stress token and cannot take an action, and is placed back in the legal area. Of course, if the defender moves so that it loses its target, the target is free to go.
So curious as to what the new ships will do to "shake up the meta game"!
We already have ships that can carry multiple torps/missiles. Maybe something that can fire twice in a round coupled with poor maneuvering? Like Crazy_Carnifex described for the B-Wing.
Or a completely new mechanic I guess. Can't say that mines have been especially impressive to me.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Emperor forbid the Imperials get a ship that's actually pretty good.
Actually, yes, it should be forbidden. The game is much more interesting when you have distinct sides with different strategies (horde vs. elite) instead of just giving everyone the same ships with different pictures. And I really don't want a game where you have single Imperial pilots flying around blowing up swarms of x-wings.
Fixed that for you Peregrine. If you're going to post the X-Wing equivalent of "Stop liking the things I don't like", at least be succinct.
But that's not what I said.
In its original context the TIE defender makes sense: it's a late-game ship so the player's hero character can fight against incredible odds in ways that you can't do in something as suicidally fragile as the common TIE designs. Sure, it's blatantly overpowered (at least until you get the even more blatantly overpowered missile boat), but in a single-player game who cares if sometimes you get an "I win" option.
In a two-player game the TIE defender is just stupid: it's clearly better in every way, and unless you give it a ridiculously high point cost it the game becomes "who can play the better TIE defender list" while everything else in the game is reduced to cannon fodder. Meanwhile you lose the "only in certain missions" limit that is supposed to represent its status as an incredibly rare and expensive prototype and have them showing up every game.
Platuan4th wrote: You do know it only has 1 gun and a Tractor Beam more than a B-wing, right? B-wing has 3 Ions, 1 Laser Cannon, 1 Twin Autoblaster, 2 Launchers vs the 4 Laser Cannons, 2 Ions, 2 Launchers, and 1 Tractor Beam of a Defender. Also, it's fast, but only just under a Interceptor(IN is 4240 G, D is 4220) and still slower than an A-wing(5100 G).
And this is exactly the problem: it has a one-gun advantage (and an incredibly powerful tractor beam) over the B-wing, which is a heavy bomber. The B-wing pays for that amazing firepower with terrible speed and agility, if you try to do anything other than torpedo runs on capital ships with one you're going to die very quickly. The TIE defender, on the other hand, gets more firepower but then also gets the speed and agility of the light interceptors.
Okay, I see where you're coming from now. However, KI think that the TIE Defender could easily fit into the game without being game-breaking. All it would require is for the designers to simply decide to give it the firepower and shields of an X-wing with the agility of a Tie-Fighter, at the cost of having a point cost more in-line with rebel character pilots such as Wedge or Luke, before upgrades and without any sort of pilot skill. Throw a tractor beam in as some sort of movement limiting attack, and I think you would be more likely to see it as a centerpiece model capable of both fighting and supporting other models, as opposed to a simple spamable ace.
Okay, I see where you're coming from now. However, KI think that the TIE Defender could easily fit into the game without being game-breaking. All it would require is for the designers to simply decide to give it the firepower and shields of an X-wing with the agility of a Tie-Fighter, at the cost of having a point cost more in-line with rebel character pilots such as Wedge or Luke, before upgrades and without any sort of pilot skill. Throw a tractor beam in as some sort of movement limiting attack, and I think you would be more likely to see it as a centerpiece model capable of both fighting and supporting other models, as opposed to a simple spamable ace.
I dunno... Something with the shields of a Y wing, the offensive firepower of an X wing, and the maneuverability and speed of an A wing sounds like a bit much. I'd have preferred if they had just made the TIE advanced a real avenger with the different wings and 3 attack value. Imps already have an elite pair of fighters in the Advanced and Interceptor; I don't think they need yet another that takes the best of both and ratchets it up yet another notch. The rebels definitely need a spam cheap mediocre craft though and the z-95 fits that bill. 2 attack, 1 shield, x-wing speed and maneuverability, no missiles, low pilot skill... 13 or 14ish points?
I doubt that you'd see a single TIE/d taking out squadrons of X-wings by themselves. It would be dangerous, but it's meant to be. I see no issue with that.
Personally I'd love to see TIE/b, B-Wing, Z-95 and R-41. That'd be heaps of fun.
Manchu wrote: HBMC, are you arguing with yourself or me? Because I agree with the version of you that disagrees with you -- you know, the one that mentioned how the YT-1300 isn't really meant for dogfights but the one we have is "up-gunned." Good reasoning, that. Seems applicable to the Lambda as well.
I'm not really arguing with you. Not attempting to anyway. I dunno though. Putting in an up-gunned Lambda would be like putting in an up-gunned medivac Huey into a game about combat helicopters. I don't think it quite fits, certainly not when there are other better unused choices out there.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I doubt that you'd see a single TIE/d taking out squadrons of X-wings by themselves. It would be dangerous, but it's meant to be. I see no issue with that.
Personally I'd love to see TIE/b, B-Wing, Z-95 and R-41. That'd be heaps of fun.
The B-Wing is my favoritest Star Wars ship.
Ever.
Manchu wrote: HBMC, are you arguing with yourself or me? Because I agree with the version of you that disagrees with you -- you know, the one that mentioned how the YT-1300 isn't really meant for dogfights but the one we have is "up-gunned." Good reasoning, that. Seems applicable to the Lambda as well.
I'm not really arguing with you. Not attempting to anyway. I dunno though. Putting in an up-gunned Lambda would be like putting in an up-gunned medivac Huey into a game about combat helicopters. I don't think it quite fits, certainly not when there are other better unused choices out there.
The thing is, there were upgunned Lambda shuttles that commonly got used in the Galactic Civil War...but Cygnus Spaceworks (under contract from Sienar Fleet Systems) made a few variants of the Lambda afterwards.
For myself? I'd suggest the Alpha-class XG-1 "Starwing"(aka the "Assault Gunboat") and the Delta-class JV-7 "Escort Shuttle" as better fits instead of the Lambda.
Lambda would be great to have as an objective to fight over though...
Okay, I see where you're coming from now. However, KI think that the TIE Defender could easily fit into the game without being game-breaking. All it would require is for the designers to simply decide to give it the firepower and shields of an X-wing with the agility of a Tie-Fighter, at the cost of having a point cost more in-line with rebel character pilots such as Wedge or Luke, before upgrades and without any sort of pilot skill. Throw a tractor beam in as some sort of movement limiting attack, and I think you would be more likely to see it as a centerpiece model capable of both fighting and supporting other models, as opposed to a simple spamable ace.
I dunno... Something with the shields of a Y wing, the offensive firepower of an X wing, and the maneuverability and speed of an A wing sounds like a bit much. I'd have preferred if they had just made the TIE advanced a real avenger with the different wings and 3 attack value. Imps already have an elite pair of fighters in the Advanced and Interceptor; I don't think they need yet another that takes the best of both and ratchets it up yet another notch. The rebels definitely need a spam cheap mediocre craft though and the z-95 fits that bill. 2 attack, 1 shield, x-wing speed and maneuverability, no missiles, low pilot skill... 13 or 14ish points?
Yes, Y wing shields on that package would be overpowered. Which is why I said X-Wing Shields.
And i seem to remember that the Z-95 could carry some kind of missile payload, but no astromech... gonna go look...
Crazy_Carnifex wrote: Yes, Y wing shields on that package would be overpowered. Which is why I said X-Wing Shields.
And i seem to remember that the Z-95 could carry some kind of missile payload, but no astromech... gonna go look...
The z-95 might have missiles but I was just listing its config as a dirt cheap spam option for rebels (and missiles don't fit in with that). As for x-wing shields on a defender, that would defeat the entire purpose and conflict with the few "official" lucasarts incarnations we have of it. I don't recall if the defender had RPG stats in any of the wotc books (I sold off mine a year or two back) but the whole point of the defender is to make a ship that is ultra expensive that has the utility and shields of a y-wing with the basic firepower, speed, and maneuverability of an interceptor. The problem is that it makes the rest of the ships obsolete in a versus game if you give it stats remotely approaching. A production TIE avenger though fits the bill of what you're describing (at least in it's later online versus form in XvT and on) and I'd welcome either a card for the Advanced that gives you that or even a separate model for it.
Finally we know. The next wave of X-Wing Miniatures ships will include: TIE Bomber, B-Wing, Lambda-class Shuttle, and the Moldy Crow (HWK-290) (an EU ship from Dark Forces). It turns out most of the speculation was correct – all except the Moldy Crow was is a great call all around by FFG. I suppose now we can all start speculating about stats, pilots, and upgrades now.
Unfortunately, on first glance the Moldy Crow looks pretty poor, but without knowing all the new cards and modification options, not going to panic just yet.
Can see the Lambda shuttle being a bedrock of all sorts of shenanigans though...
Same reaction here, not to mention really surprised at including that beaut.
What is even more surprising is the choice of squadrons for the TIE Bomber(Scimitar squadron) and the B-Wing(Nova squadron).
Both are from the Expanded Universe and played some interesting roles. Scimitar helped design the Scimitar assault bomber and Nova were a big part of the whole 'Hunt for Zsinj'.
Color me intrigued!
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azreal13 wrote: Unfortunately, on first glance the Moldy Crow looks pretty poor, but without knowing all the new cards and modification options, not going to panic just yet.
azreal13 wrote: Unfortunately, on first glance the Moldy Crow looks pretty poor, but without knowing all the new cards and modification options, not going to panic just yet.
How dare you insult the Moldy Crow!
REPENT!
Sadly
It doesn't excite at first glance, remember those stats will carry across to all pilots..
azreal13 wrote: It doesn't excite at first glance, remember those stats will carry across to all pilots..
IMO that's pretty promising. It's got X-wing durability with a really powerful ability, and the turret upgrade icon suggests it's going to be like the Y-wing where the base firepower is irrelevant because you're always using your upgrade gun.
azreal13 wrote: It doesn't excite at first glance, remember those stats will carry across to all pilots..
IMO that's pretty promising. It's got X-wing durability with a really powerful ability, and the turret upgrade icon suggests it's going to be like the Y-wing where the base firepower is irrelevant because you're always using your upgrade gun.
Oh, I'm by no means writing it off, but with only one shield you're in danger of taking crits sooner than with an X wing, and by the time you've thrown a couple of upgrades on, you're sailing past 30 points with this pilot. I recognise the potential is there for it to be an excellent support ship though...
Same reaction here, not to mention really surprised at including that beaut.
What is even more surprising is the choice of squadrons for the TIE Bomber(Scimitar squadron) and the B-Wing(Nova squadron).
Both are from the Expanded Universe and played some interesting roles. Scimitar helped design the Scimitar assault bomber and Nova were a big part of the whole 'Hunt for Zsinj'.
Color me intrigued!
The squadron choices aren't actually all that big a surprise to me, considering how many EU pilots we already have. Fel, Salm, the two non-Fett Firespray pilots, etc. All EU pilots, so not a huge stretch to go with EU squadron names.
Nice to see I guessed right on both the big gun slot and barrel roll for the B-Wing
Really liking the new models, and especially the new upgrades. Shuttle comes with 12 upgrade cards which is awesome. And getting the HWK now means that next wave we can see the YT-2400/Outrider alongside a more obscure Dark Side craft.
The HWK is meant to be a scarily fast and manoeuvrable ship, so it's an interesting choice. I hope we see more EU fighters showing up (E-Wings would be a great choice).
H.B.M.C. wrote: The HWK is meant to be a scarily fast and manoeuvrable ship, so it's an interesting choice. I hope we see more EU fighters showing up (E-Wings would be a great choice).
They've given it agility 2 and no maneuver actions, it's wheel will be interesting.
Whole wave looks awesome, although I have never read any EU stuff so the HWK holds no nostalgia for me.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The HWK is meant to be a scarily fast and manoeuvrable ship, so it's an interesting choice. I hope we see more EU fighters showing up (E-Wings would be a great choice).
They've given it agility 2 and no maneuver actions, it's wheel will be interesting.
Whole wave looks awesome, although I have never read any EU stuff so the HWK holds no nostalgia for me.
Picked up X-Wing at Adepticon and love it. I am excited that the Tie-Bomber will be playable. I do love the bomber aircraft. I never really went into the extended universe stuff, but now with this I may need to,
I'm a bit conflicted about this addition. With a Kyle Katarn card all we need is a Corran Horn card now -- then we can finally have them face off for the Mary Sue Championship Belt. Plus the Moldy Crow's design speaks more to mid-90s video card capabilities than Star Wars aesthetics. On the other hand, I guess the design will grow on me despite not having seen it or thought about it in nearly 18 years. A very weird choice, if you ask me (which no one did).
BrookM wrote: It's FFG, so it shouldn't be anything new or out of the ordinary really regarding their good stuff being out of print most of the time.
...which is acceptable with board games, or even rpgs, but with a CMG it's just bloody annoying to the point of severely turning off potential players...
At the link they also have multiple smaller pics of upgrade cards as well. The variety in the ships should be a good and widening addition to the meta of the game. I wish we had them for yesterday's attack on the correllian corvette game!
That's actually pretty damn awesome for me. I've got limited space in my carrying case and was hoping to stack some of the larger ships together. It would be very difficult with the wings down but a slave 1 looks like it can fit quite nicely inbetween those wings with some foam buffers! Some time after Gencon I'll be adding 2 TIE bombers and B-wings and a Shuttle to my collection.
It said 3rd quarter on the link posted above to the FFG website. I assume they're referring to the regular year and not the financial calendar. Also, releasing it in limited fashion at gencon would fit their MO from last year and drum up some publicity, with stores getting it in the weeks to come after that (with I assume an extra delay on top of that for the EU).
It does seem a little odd that the TIE Bomber is more agile than the B-Wing or Y-Wing - I don't recall seeing anything in the films that implies that, nor reading anything in the EU material.
Also, B-Wings with the Additional Shield mod should be amusing...
Also TIE Bombers are much tougher (6 HP) than I recall from any game or book.
I suppose both factors come down to game balance - the Bomber holds so much payload that to make it easy to hit and quite fragile would see it go unused, as it would be a priority target due to the upgrades (potentially) purchased for it.
yeah, arrrg all broken... Edit: Ok I cut and pasted them into groups and uploaded here on dakka. These are not my photos and belong to Hexis on the FFG forum.
Yes, but generally companies tend to clean up their masters before painting, those things tend to look *better* than the final product even will. Oh well, they're sold in transparent packaging anyway so not much to fear
Panic wrote: yeah,
arrrg all broken...
Edit:
Ok I cut and pasted them into groups and uploaded here on dakka.
These are not my photos and belong to Hexis on the FFG forum.
Panic...
Thanks for the re-post and sorry if my post was a bit blunt, it wasn't directed at you!
Hmm, on reflection the Moldy Crow might be their first scale fail - ignoring the fact the model looks too small for a freighter, the Wookiepedia article on it indicates a length of 29 meters, as opposed to the Lambda shuttle's 20 meters or the Falcon's 34.37 meters.
I thought something had been bugging me about that ship...
Eyeballing it, I think the A-Wing is about right - again, using Wookieepedia as a source, the A-Wing is quoted as 9.5 meters long, while the X-Wing is 12.5m in length.
I don't have the models to hand, but I seem to remember it being 2/3 - 3/4 the length of the X-Wing model.
Yeah. Moldy Crow did seem out of scale... but it's a pre-production model. It seems weird to produce 3 small and 1 large in this run. 2 and 2 just has better symmetry (and reflects what we saw in wave 2). That, and the Kyle Katarn card seems rather 'meh' on a fighter sized ship. Maybe the HWK-290 will be a big ship that you can spam.
I"m kinda floored by the mounting of the B-Wing... that elbow is either really cool, or its going to be a major pain.
Tie-Bombers have double the engines, and not quite double the mass of a Tie. It should be able to keep up with the other Empire fighters.
Moldy Crow being a small craft is a mix-up, but remember they have to get approval on these models still, and someone could come along and point that out.
Re-posted from the FFG boards, but originally posted on BGG:
"Guys, both the HWK and the A-Wing (and other current X-Wing ships) are made to the most correct and official sizes. All these ships are correctly proportioned to each other. This has been intensively researched at FFG in collaboration with experts at LFL. We have chosen not to go the route of the most popular opinion on sizes, but the most objectively correct ones. I hope you agree this is the right choice.
Wookiepedia, for all it's awesomeness (we love it too), is not the authority on these matters. As with the TIE fighter, there are a lot of subjective opinion on what the size should be (vis-a-vis various references), and like the TIE, the HWK data has been incorrectly stated in many sources. The FFG size of the Mouldy Crow is the correct size per thorough review of the original source material.
Obviously there is much personal preference and debate on sizes, but FFG has sought with LFL to provide the most accurate scale and proportions possible. I can assure you that we take this very seriously, and the sizes of these are not arbitrarily chosen.
We're very excited about wave 3 and the other X-wing models that we're working on. Thanks for your enthusiasm for the game.
There’s a fan-made Cross Section of the HWK (done in the style of the SW Incredible Cross Sections) that is basically that style – a small two-seater with limited cargo capacity. It’s completely fan made, but very well done. It's good they're going that route, heavy fighter rather than small transport freighter.
It fits with the in-game crow, unlike other sources that have the Crow being some immense freighter with a multi-decked cargo hold and other things it couldn’t possibly have.
The only thing smaller is probably the Raven’s Claw, which is just a cockpit and two MASSIVE engines.
Hmm - the 29m length figure is sourced from an article published by WotC when they had the license. It was associated with a SWM release, from what I could tell, so I'm pretty sure Lucasfilm Licensing would have had to sign off on the stats before publication...
@getting minis
They are doing their best to produce as much minis as possible, but every time they roll out a new batch the demand tops even their projections. The game being that popular is a curse at the same time.
Next Wave 1 delivery should be less than 2 months away.
@Hawk
It has the right size. Problem with other products was that they happily mixed scales and stats and sometimes the wrong stats got below the radar.
^
Lucasfilm has published tons of different stories of Boba Fett's origins, then discarded them all in order to create the Jango Clone. Every last one of them was 'officially licensed' and totally canon.
I wonder if FFG are prepared for the increase in sales once Will Wheaton's "Tabletop" show airs their X wing episode. That's going to be immense, I think. Heck, last weeks episode has had 121,000 views and, quite frankly, that isn't Star Wars OR Seth Green.
It's going to be off the scale, I think and there's supposed to be some 'super secret announcement' in the episode as welel.
Dysartes wrote: It does seem a little odd that the TIE Bomber is more agile than the B-Wing or Y-Wing - I don't recall seeing anything in the films that implies that, nor reading anything in the EU material.
It was pretty well established in the video games, though.
Still seems odd to me that they're pushing ahead with new product releases when we've been unable to buy models from wave 1 for literally months. I still only have one x-wing and can't buy any more unless I stock on up $40 core sets, which are also in short supply, lol...
I mean I want TIE bombers, but come on, I can't buy literally any of the other TIE ships and there's no word really on when I'll be able to, that's kinda ridiculous. This game is really fun to play and I'd hate for it to die out because everyone lost interest on account of not being able to actually get the models. You can only do so much with the core set and a Millenium Falcon you know.
I'll have to check my local store then, but as far as I know they haven't posted any updates on FB about getting more stock so I doubt they'll have any.
Demand is still way bigger than anyone could have expected.
Wave 1 should available again soon.
The problem is that a factory can only churn out that much products at any given time. It´s the same problem as with new consoles.... in the beginning there is always way more demand than can be satisfied and using bigger factories does not make sense since they would only in the beginning work on full scale and later only partially be used.
I prefer the grey, now that we hopefully know the bombers are going grey I will bite the bullet and repaint my interceptors too... I was planning to anyways (even their cards show regular grey) but if the bombers were blue I was thinking about maybe, maybe leaving them. Ah well, that cinches it!
Compel wrote: I'm assuming I've missed the discussion about the Gale Force 9 asteroids?
They look neat, but YIKES at the price! Nearly 4 quid each for a rock...
There are a bunch of threads down in Misc Boardgames on subjects like this -
In order to actually play the game with the asteroids according to the rules, you need shaped bases of various sizes, and you need to be able to remove the asteroids from the template bases in order to accommodate overlap etc... just a gw flight stand with an asteroid sitting on top of it is pretty but not functional as game terrain.
Guys if you are looking at this thread make sure to head down and contribute to those threads so we can get a good community going for this awesome game!
MajorTom11 wrote: I'm hearing from multiple birdies wave 3 is much, much closer than we thought... within weeks!
While I don't claim any knowledge of your particular sources, the icons on the upcoming part of the FFG website are frequently updated and have corresponded to the actual releases of miniatures including wave 2 most recently.
Supposedly they were confirmed by distributors to two separate FLGS's for ordering... apparently a mistake but verbally confirmed. I thought Fall too but hey, if it is a surprise and sooner than later I'll certainly be happy!
MajorTom11 wrote: Supposedly they were confirmed by distributors to two separate FLGS's for ordering... apparently a mistake but verbally confirmed. I thought Fall too but hey, if it is a surprise and sooner than later I'll certainly be happy!
For those of you who watch Tabletop on youtube, they were supposed to do an X-wing session a few weeks back. They changed that, and the only explanation offered (in the "outtakes" session for the preceding week's game) was that it would be featured in a later episode this season, with something big news-wise accompanying.
G*dammit... I just went absolutely mental splurging on wave 1 and 2 and all kinds of supplemental nic-nacs... This game is going to sack me for over 1k in the space of a 6 weeks! I thought my 40k model addiction was bad!
I would never need to bring everything... I kinda bought 3 or 4 times what I needed so my friends wouldn't have to lug their crap back and forth and lose cards and tokens in the shuffle etc.
Trust me, I am clocking in at more than 40 ships I think or close to it lol.
That being said, you should be able to see it all in P and M sooner or later, ties are done except an avenger conversion and 2 interceptors, and half the rebels are done... though quite a few just got stripped minutes ago for a complete re-paint (cough cough splotchy Ywings and YT-1300 #3).
I also saw a rumor today in my RSS feeds saying that wave 4 would consist of the tie/d, viper, z-95 headhunter and the outrider (Yt something or other, rendars ship from SotE). Several of these ships seem to indicate heading towards a 3rd unaligned/mercenary/pirate/smuggler faction, while also finally providing the rebels a ship capable of true swarming in the shape of the Z-95. No source really so I took it with a huge grain of salt, but not a bad wave 4! Although, I would have expected a TIE Defender or Avenger before the viper...
TIE/D has been used for both the TIE Droid Fighter and the TIE Defender, if I remember right.
Dash's "Outrider" was a YT-2400.
I'm absolutely blanking on what the "Viper" is, beyond the model name of the probe droid(Araykd Viper!) from "The Empire Strikes Back". Did the person potentially mean the "Virago"?
Wave 3 is still scheduled for second half of this year, but of course shops can preorder it already. Looks like someone mixed up preorders with actual delivery.
Also there will be a big surprise, but none even got close to what it will truly be. And we better leave it at that until FFG decides to let us all know
Wave 4 is more a wishlist than anything else. And the Viper seems to be a variant of Xizzors ship from Shadows.
Janthkin wrote: For those of you who watch Tabletop on youtube, they were supposed to do an X-wing session a few weeks back. They changed that, and the only explanation offered (in the "outtakes" session for the preceding week's game) was that it would be featured in a later episode this season, with something big news-wise accompanying.
Yeah I was wondering about that. I hope it wasn't pulled for some odd legal reason.
I really hope they go deep into the books and bring out such things as Preybird-class Heavy fighters, Miy'til Starfighters, GAT-12j.....the possiblities.
That's it, I NEED to buy into this game heavily now...curse you further plastic addiction! 40k was my gateway drug.
More nice minis. Im more interested in this game for the collectors aspect as a fan than the actual game. With the prices of these things I better get started soon, before theres too many to catch up.
I've already cleared out space in my foam for shuttle, b-wing, and tie bombers (don't plan on getting the crow). I realized that all the chits were taking up waaaay to much space in the carrying case so I cut back to around a third. I doubt I'll ever field *both* my complete fleets in any tabletop game so I don't think I'll need 20+ target lock double chit sets.
Yeah I was wondering about that. I hope it wasn't pulled for some odd legal reason.
I was assuming that was going to be something more like, "Hey, Seth Green is going to be in the new movies." Than anything related to the miniatures game...
Riquende wrote: I've always loved the Lambda, going to get one or two even if it's terrible in game,
Rest easy, there's already been enough preview material released to be confident it won't suck, even if it might not be uber broken. The card that lets you opt to take your action before you move could be very, very strong though...
Pipboy101 wrote: This game has caused me to look at the other games I play. My Khador army and the whole system just feels so clunky compaired to X-wing.
A million times this ... X-WIng spoils us on some many fronts.
Yup, it is now the only wargame I am interested in playing... or miniatures game more accurately. Everything else seems like 20 steps to achieve the visceral feeling x-wing does in one.
If any of you guys are like me, hobbyists and fluffists but not experienced wargamers who are interested in getting into a game but either too busy or too inexperienced to comfortably get into 40k or warmahordes or what not, this is the game for you. Seriously.
Cheap to get into by comparison, a familiar IP, takes literally 10 minutes to learn but has the depth to make it hard to master... you don't have to worry about meeting other people with the same hobby and armies of their own, or going to the store to play... all you need is a coffee table and someone, anyone willing to sit with you for 15 mins and they will be hooked too!
Hell even my wife has 3 games under her belt now and she hates this kind of gak! lol
It's an elegant design. So much so that I even got Star Wars haters or dislikers to enjoy it during my demo days. Easy to pick up, easy to play, fun to master! Plus, the pre-paints don't suck, that's another big pro in my eyes!
Regarding the box designs though, so much wasted space! While I think that the box art is gorgeous, half of it is empty box and don't bane me for saying this, but the bigger ships could easily fit into boxes half their size. It would certainly take up less shelf space in the stores, allowing for more X-Wing products instead!
BrookM wrote: Regarding the box designs though, so much wasted space! While I think that the box art is gorgeous, half of it is empty box and don't bane me for saying this, but the bigger ships could easily fit into boxes half their size.
I've half a mind to bane you straight away. In all seriousness, I think the space came from the MilFalc -- but now that the box is standard, I love the look of the Lambda (or Firespray) just floating there. Looks awesome to me. I feel the urge to buy a new Firespray whenever I see the box at the store.
Two Firesprays, two Falcons, 3 Y's, X's, A's, Intercepters, two Advanced and five regular Ties, and I still sometimes twitch to add more to my collection. I've considered one more Tie and one more X-Wing...but right now I have control! If my X-wing buyer doesn't answer soon, I guess I'll have to keep it and have the decision taken from me. Oh darn...
+ every custom gaming aid known to man. I went bat-gak... but there is just something about seeing all that on the table...
Good lord, Tom! I thought you were having difficulty finding ships! Haha. If your wife starts lashing out at people who helped supply you, leave my name out of it!
Farseer Faenyin wrote: Just a shame that I have to paint my own bloodstripes on the TIE Interceptors. :-P
I did it, it's stupid easy just use some low tack tape to mask off the stripes, and brush on foundation khorne red and then a lighter coat of mephiston red dragged out to the corners, boom, perfect race stripes, no AB needed, no fuss no muss...
I admit... I couldn't help myself I am re-painting everything, I finished the ties last night... the stock paint is awesome but with a little love they look even better!
Farseer Faenyin wrote: Just a shame that I have to paint my own bloodstripes on the TIE Interceptors. :-P
I did it, it's stupid easy just use some low tack tape to mask off the stripes, and brush on foundation khorne red and then a lighter coat of mephiston red dragged out to the corners, boom, perfect race stripes, no AB needed, no fuss no muss...
I admit... I couldn't help myself I am re-painting everything, I finished the ties last night... the stock paint is awesome but with a little love they look even better!
I've got so many models that need painting, the fact that these are the best pre-painted minis out there makes me very happy. I considered stripes on a couple of ships, but haven't decided for sure if I will or not yet.
Farseer Faenyin wrote: Just a shame that I have to paint my own bloodstripes on the TIE Interceptors. :-P
I did it, it's stupid easy just use some low tack tape to mask off the stripes, and brush on foundation khorne red and then a lighter coat of mephiston red dragged out to the corners, boom, perfect race stripes, no AB needed, no fuss no muss...
I admit... I couldn't help myself I am re-painting everything, I finished the ties last night... the stock paint is awesome but with a little love they look even better!
Nice. I know it'll be easy, I was being kind of silly. But what WILL be a shame is having to look up the X-wing Book Bacta War to find out how each of Rogue Squadron painted their individual X-wings and do up the X-wings that way. Tycho's is a given, as I love the fluff of Alderaan and doing an X-wing in Alderaanian Defense Force colors is just awesome to me(my Battlefleet Gothic Imperial fleet is painted in this scheme...white front, diagonal thick black division and a blood red aft).
Automatically Appended Next Post: Out of curiosity because I always liked the smaller capital ships, how does the Corvette play?
Right now I own:
3 Falcons
6 X-Wings
3 Y-Wings
3 A-Wings
1 Firespray
7 TIE/LN
3 TIE/Int
2 TIE/Adv
1 TIE Avenger built from an TIE/Adv
1 Kenner Blockade Runner Corvette.
And I have 2 of each ship from Wave 3 pre-ordered.
I bought it wall in approx 3 months time because I was so hooked on the game. It is to the point that I have put a price tag on my huge Khador army (since I have a couple others) to make space to store all the terrain we are building for the game.
Farseer Faenyin wrote: I have Bloodbowl and Battlefleet Gothic I'll sell for hopefully around $200-300 total. That should get me solidly into building for X-wing...right?
Very much so. Two starters and several expansion ships. You can get the starters pretty cheap and two is a good number to start with because it give you plenty of counter, movement sticks and dice for two people.
That's not counting the discounts to be found at least on the core-sets, slave 1 and the falcon that can be had, not to mention the other ships if they ever re-stock. You should have enough left over for pizza and beer , or another core set to crack a friend out 'first hit is free' styles...
Plus since you are in the US and have more than one barnes and nobles around you should be able to find most of the Wave 1 ship and some of the Wave 2 ships at MSRP. They are gouging on eBay. I think B&N has a contract with FFG with the number of expansions they seem to be getting.
Farseer Faenyin wrote: I have Bloodbowl and Battlefleet Gothic I'll sell for hopefully around $200-300 total. That should get me solidly into building for X-wing...right?
Very much so. Two starters and several expansion ships. You can get the starters pretty cheap and two is a good number to start with because it give you plenty of counter, movement sticks and dice for two people.
That's not counting the discounts to be found at least on the core-sets, slave 1 and the falcon that can be had, not to mention the other ships if they ever re-stock. You should have enough left over for pizza and beer , or another core set to crack a friend out 'first hit is free' styles...
Awesome, thank you both for the advise. What is this about a Corellion Corvette though? I'm SUPER intrigued as I ceriously love small multi-purpose capital ships like the Corvette, Carrack, Corellian Gunship..etc
The corvette is a kenner collector fleet toy from 1997. You can find them on ebay. I got mine for about $20.00 on ebay. You can still find them at that price sometimes but since the x-wing came out and people have been snatching them up the price has gone up some.
+ every custom gaming aid known to man. I went bat-gak... but there is just something about seeing all that on the table...
Pipboy101 wrote:Right now I own:
3 Falcons
6 X-Wings
3 Y-Wings
3 A-Wings
1 Firespray
7 TIE/LN
3 TIE/Int
2 TIE/Adv
1 TIE Avenger built from an TIE/Adv
1 Kenner Blockade Runner Corvette.
And I have 2 of each ship from Wave 3 pre-ordered.
I bought it wall in approx 3 months time because I was so hooked on the game. It is to the point that I have put a price tag on my huge Khador army (since I have a couple others) to make space to store all the terrain we are building for the game.
Duncan_Idaho wrote:This and the SW LCG get many people in since they both are that accessible...
My flyers:
4x Wing
6x Tie
3x Tie Advanced
3x Y-Wing
2x A-Wing
2x Tie Interceptor
1x Firespray
1x Falcon
Thinkin about getting 1x Firespray and 1x Interceptor and 1x A-wing since the lists are quite interesting.
My forces
5x X-Wing
1x yt1300
2x Y-Wing
3x A-Wing
8x Tie fighter
3x Tie Advanced
2x Tie Interceptor
1x Firespray
1x (hallmark) Lamda
6 turbo laser turrets
Plus dead ships to use as 'counts as' asteroids.
2x X-Wing wreck
4x Tie fighter wreck
1x Tie Advanced wreck
1x Y-Wing wreck
6x turbo laser turrets wrecks
I've not yet preordered wave3
MajorTom11 wrote:http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=Star+Wars+Electronic+Blockade+Runner+Collector+Fleet&_sacat=0&_from=R40
going up fast, there is an out of box one cheap though someone should snatch it up!
Manchu wrote: I guess we will see who are the real addicts once the tiles are released ...
I think I'll get a copy or two of the star map tiles if they are made of a heavy enough card stock. I think they will be amazing, they have gotten alot of bad press before they have been seen.. which is standard on the interwebs
Flipping tiles to create cutomized maps, sounds easy and fun. Massive star fields, asteroid fields, The deathstar approaching planets and blowing them up! what's not to like! 2 sets will cover a 6x4 board for massive games.
from the FFG website
We’ve entered the Alderaan system.” –Admiral Motti, Star Wars: A New Hope
Upgrade your X-Wing™ play area! Fantasy Flight Games is pleased to announce the upcoming release of the Starfield Game Tile Kit.
Starfield Game Tile Kit tiles create a quality, custom play surface: •Twelve tiles, each one-foot square •Durable 2.5 mm fiber board •Smooth, matte-finished card stock •Wide possible range of vivid Star Wars–themed scenes
The X-Wing Starfield Game Tile Kit introduces twelve thick tiles that allow you to wage your X-Wing space battles above such iconic Star Wars features as Alderaan and the Death Star. Each of these sturdy tiles consists of matte-finished card stock mounted on 2.5mm fiber board and measures one square foot. Starfield tiles are all double-sided, and permit a wide range of possible configurations to create immersive settings as you fight for the fate of a galaxy far, far away....
3rd quarter 2013 ??
I Hope they do a second set with deathstar surface and trench.
This game is getting more and more tempting, especially after seeing Tom's blog starting to get filled with them! Shame I would have no one to play against though...
That's the beauty of it, people are much, much more willing to try it... I have 4 friends who like it after trying it, and 5-6 others who were already into it. My Dad played and he is 63. My wife played.
It really is that easy, at least it was for me.
Also noteworthy, you don't have to ask anyone to buy anything, you can affordably have everything you need for 2 (or 4 lol) players and there is no painting or assembly, nothing barring you from getting to the fun or 'work' to do.
Pipboy101 wrote: Plus since you are in the US and have more than one barnes and nobles around you should be able to find most of the Wave 1 ship and some of the Wave 2 ships at MSRP. They are gouging on eBay. I think B&N has a contract with FFG with the number of expansions they seem to be getting.
Barnes & Noble seems to sell quite a bit of Fantasy Flight Games products, so it's no surprise that they get stock. The thing is though that when I checked for both Wave 1 and 2 at the stores when they were supposed to be released, the employees said that their warehouses didn't even have them yet. My nearest store actually got their stock a few months after the release dates... Weird. Supply issues from FFG I suppose. So I would imagine that they'll get Wave 3 and the star tiles late as well.
And I too noticed that they sell at MSRP. They sell LEGO Minecraft for $34.95 when it can go for quite a bit higher on eBay and such. The great thing is, if you have a membership card (or know someone who does), you can get 10% off the list price. And if you sign up to their e-mail list you can get coupons for a further 10-15% off items almost weekly. Of course, the way to get the best deal at B&N is to have friends who work there so that you can take advantage of their employee discount. In fact, that's how I acquired 3 TIE Interceptors, 2 A-Wings, 2 Firesprays, and 2 Millenium Falcons last week. 40% off, w00t!
“Bring my shuttle.” –Darth Vader, Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back
Not long ago, we announced the next four starship expansions for X-Wing™. We also promised that these new starships would allow players to pursue a wide range of new tactics and strategies built around their support functions and system upgrades. Today, we’ll take a closer look at the Lambda-class Shuttle Expansion Pack, the HWK-290 Expansion Pack, and some of the ways they can strengthen your squads.
Lambda-class Shuttle
When the X-Wing design team began working with the Lambda-class Shuttle, they knew they wanted to dedicate it to squad-based synergies and skillful piloting. Accordingly, each of the shuttle’s unique pilots comes with an ability that supports his wingmen:
As long as he’s an eligible target, Captain Kagi draws target locks away from more vulnerable ships, like TIE interceptors.
Colonel Jendon helps to establish quick, deadly volleys of missiles, allowing another pilot to spend a target lock and fire the same turn he uses his action to Focus.
Captain Yorr can absorb the stress tokens other ships would take, freeing them up to take actions they might otherwise lose after executing stressful maneuvers like the Koiogran turn.
Additionally, the expansion pack’s twelve upgrades help each of these pilots serve their roles better, and they afford some other tricks as well. Some of these tricks are subtle, such as those permitted by the Intelligence Agent. Others, like those permitted by Darth Vader, are dark, ruthless, and brutal ways to finish off wounded foes.
Altogether, the Lambda-class Shuttle Expansion Pack’s various ship and upgrade cards introduce powerful support for nearly any Imperial squad, including the sample squad below, which uses Captain Yorr to hinder enemy movement and reduce the stress your other pilots suffer as they perform Koiogran turns and Push the Limit.
This squad’s tricks begin with the Intelligence Agent, who can reveal one enemy’s chosen maneuver at the beginning of each Activation phase. Captain Yorr’s Navigator then permits the Lambda-class shuttle the option to change its maneuver, adjusting its speed along its current bearing. With any luck, Captain Yorr will be able to plant himself directly in the path of an enemy starship, forcing it to overlap the shuttle. In that case, the shuttle can fire its Anti-Pursuit Lasers while the enemy ship loses the opportunities to select an action and to fire at the shuttle during the Combat phase.
Captain Yorr plans to execute a straight one-speed maneuver, but when his Intelligence Agent discovers the opposing X-wing’s maneuver, Captain Yorr calls on his Navigator to plot a new, three-speed maneuver along the same bearing to block the X-wing’s path.
Meanwhile, “Mauler Mithel” and Soontir Fel can close in upon the hindered foe to fire, ideally from Range 1. Few ships can survive such a concentrated barrage of fire.
Captain Yorr has the X-wing pinned, allowing “Mauler Mithel” and Soontir Fel to swoop into close range for the kill!
HWK-290
The design team’s search for a Rebel counterpart to the Lambda-class shuttle led to the development of the game’s first starship from outside the original Star Wars trilogy, the HWK-290. This freighter was made famous by Kyle Katarn’s Moldy Crow in the classic video game, Star Wars: Dark Forces, and the game's developers closely reviewed the video game’s screenshots and engaged in conversations with Lucasfilm Ltd. to confirm the ship's official length. Accordingly, the pre-painted miniature from the HWK-290 Expansion Pack is accurately rendered at 1/270 scale.
Like the Lambda-class shuttle, the HWK-290 rewards players who can fly their squads in formation, as each of the expansion’s unique pilots focuses on supporting friendly ships within Range 1–3.
Jan Ors can take a stress token to allow one of her squad mates to roll an additional attack die during his attack.
Kyle Katarn can transfer his focus tokens to his allies.
Sometimes, it’s just necessary to fire first, and Roark Garnet can help you do just that, boosting one friendly ship’s pilot skill to “12” at the beginning of the Combat phase.
Again, like the Lambda-class shuttle, the HWK-290 comes with six upgrades that enhance and expand upon the ship’s abilities, as well as those of its various pilots. Though the HWK-290’s primary weapon is the weakest in the game, with a value of only “1,” the ship can be outfitted with either an Ion Cannon Turret or the new Blaster Turret, both of which can fire at any target within a complete 360° arc so long as it’s within range. A Saboteur can turn faceup any facedown Damage card assigned to an enemy ship, potentially crippling it, and upgrades like the Recon Specialist and Moldy Crow go a long way toward making Kyle Katarn’s ability wonderfully action-efficient.
In fact, the HWK-290 can make an entire Rebel squad wonderfully action-efficient, as demonstrated in one fashion by the sample squad below.
This Rebel squad features two unique HWK-290 pilots, Jan Ors and Kyle Katarn, who can boost each other, just as they can boost Wedge Antilles. If they both support Wedge, the Rebel ace can use his Engine Upgrade and Push the Limit to maneuver into position for a Range 1 shot with a focus token, target lock, and five attack dice, even as his ability subtracts one from his enemy’s defense dice.
During battle with a Firespray-31, Kyle Katarn takes a focus action and gains two focus tokens with the help of his Recon Specialist. Wedge Antilles then flies into position, uses his Engine Upgrade to boost out of his opponent’s firing arc, and sets up his attack by acquiring a target lock.
Wedge has a clear shot at the Bounty Hunter at Range 1, so his wingmen decide to boost his attack. Jan Ors takes a stress token to give Wedge an additional attack die, and Kyle Katarn transfers one of his focus tokens to Wedge, setting him up for a lethal attack with five attack dice and fantastic odds of connecting!
Because they can shuffle the extra attack die and focus token to whichever wingman needs them most, Jan Ors and Kyle Katarn’s abilities will keep your opponent guessing. Will Kyle Katarn transfer his focus token to Wedge, to fuel the ace’s attack, or will he shuffle it to Jan Ors, to fuel her Blaster Turret? Will Jan Ors boost Wedge’s attack, to push for the kill, or will she increase the chances of Kyle Katarn hitting with his Ion Cannon Turret?
Skill, Strategy, and Support Ships
The squad-building rules for X-Wing allow players to pursue a wide range of strategies, even starting with just a few starships, and creative players have enjoyed finding and utilizing clever combinations of unique pilot abilities and upgrades to gain an extra edge in the game’s deadly dogfights. Some squads use pilots, like Biggs Darklighter and Chewbacca, to draw fire away from their squad mates. Some squads fly in close formation to launch devastating barrages of fire, taking full advantage of abilities like those of “Howlrunner,” Squad Leader, and Swarm Tactics. Other squads may rely heavily upon the brute strength of powerful starships like the Millennium Falcon and Slave I, loading them up with missiles, modifications, and a Gunner.
Soon, the addition of the Lambda-class shuttle and the HWK-290 will permit players to focus even more tightly upon the types of squads that suit them best. Do you want to boost one primary starship, giving it the power to tear through your enemy’s fleet? You can do that. Do you want to feed your swarm tactics a little bit of espionage and treachery? You can do that, too. If you want, you can even design squads that can adapt their tactics to counter those your opponent hopes to employ.
While players have found ways to use other pilots and other starships to support their squads’ aces, the Lambda-class shuttle and the HWK-290 are the first X-Wing starships designed from the ground-up as support ships, and each of their unique pilots and upgrades allow skillful players to enhance their squads’ key strategies.
Until these ships arrive, keep your eyes open for more previews and other X-Wing news, including a look at the system upgrades featured in the Lambda-class Shuttle and B-Wing expansion packs!
I like these previews, I'm really looking forward to both ships now, especially the HWK-290 has gone from "meh" to "awesome" over the course of its two previews.
This was posted to the unoffical x-wing FB page. They are about 99% correct when they post new cards so take it for what it is. With this card and the Col. Pilot = OMFG
As someone who has only had a few games using the ships from the starter set, I have to say I'm blown away by how the cards you get in the various expansions open up the game.
I wish payday would hurry up so I could order some of this stuff whilst it's still in stock in places!
MajorTom11 wrote: Yup, it is now the only wargame I am interested in playing... or miniatures game more accurately. Everything else seems like 20 steps to achieve the visceral feeling x-wing does in one.
If any of you guys are like me, hobbyists and fluffists but not experienced wargamers who are interested in getting into a game but either too busy or too inexperienced to comfortably get into 40k or warmahordes or what not, this is the game for you. Seriously.
Cheap to get into by comparison, a familiar IP, takes literally 10 minutes to learn but has the depth to make it hard to master... you don't have to worry about meeting other people with the same hobby and armies of their own, or going to the store to play... all you need is a coffee table and someone, anyone willing to sit with you for 15 mins and they will be hooked too!
Hell even my wife has 3 games under her belt now and she hates this kind of gak! lol
The rules reflect what was on the FFG update though... These new ships sound really awesome, master units if you will that can add a whole new level to the game... liking what I am seeing so far!
I would absolutely love to one day be able to field 12 TIE Interceptors, but unless they up their production I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I'll probably buy two starters and then start with some expansions. Probably 2 TIE Interceptor, 2 A-wings, 2 X-wings, 2 Y-wings and a YT. Not a fan of the Firespray-class, so gonna pass on that. Should be a good start, or am I missing something I really need?
1 advanced would probably be a good idea, Vader has some useful abilities... you probably want to get at least one of every expansion pack, each one comes with some unique pilots and ability cards so even if you don't like the Firespray, it is worth it both as a ship in-game and for the 2 stealth device cards it comes with, one of the most useful cards in the game thus far IMHO -
Ah yes, also meant to say I wanted 1 TIE Fighter boosters.
Nice to know about the upgrades, I'll have to look into getting one of each now. Not a fan of the TIE Advanced x1 much either as it was a VERY limited production starfighter, quickly replaced with other TIE variants (the TIE Avenger, aka Advanced and the TIE Defender).
You can get away with just the one advanced, but bear in mind it is the only TIE type with shields and target lock too, and like I said, Vader is very useful in game, especially with Swarm Tactics or Vet Instincts
Pipboy101 wrote: They are about 99% correct when they post new cards so take it for what it is.
If those are real rules, that's almost certainly the wrong art. That's concept art Ralph McQuarrie did for RotJ.
So that's clearly a fan made card.
Or it could actually be the real card because Lucas let them use the artwork for the card. We'll just have to wait for the Lambda to go on sale to see if it's true or not.
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Pipboy101 wrote: This was posted to the unoffical x-wing FB page. They are about 99% correct when they post new cards so take it for what it is. With this card and the Col. Pilot = OMFG
And you can add the Weapons Engineer for OMFG x 2.
Zathras wrote: Or it could actually be the real card because Lucas let them use the artwork for the card. We'll just have to wait for the Lambda to go on sale to see if it's true or not.
Completely implausible. No other FFGSW product uses anything but original art.
I do love x-wing. I'm really into it. the game is so fluid and fast paced its awesome.
However I'm actually really exited, as a company has gotten the rights to use the system in x-wing (fighting and movement) for there startrek game. And that should also make for some great space battles as well.
Now we just need someone to do a Battlestar Galactica range And I think my 40k armies are going to stay on the shelf.
cerbrus2 wrote: I do love x-wing. I'm really into it. the game is so fluid and fast paced its awesome.
However I'm actually really exited, as a company has gotten the rights to use the system in x-wing (fighting and movement) for there startrek game. And that should also make for some great space battles as well.
Now we just need someone to do a Battlestar Galactica range And I think my 40k armies are going to stay on the shelf.
Supposedly SW and ST will not be compatible to play against each others. I don't believe this. We're gamers: we'll find a way.
Zathras wrote: Or it could actually be the real card because Lucas let them use the artwork for the card. We'll just have to wait for the Lambda to go on sale to see if it's true or not.
Completely implausible. No other FFGSW product uses anything but original art.
Nope. Just to name an obvious one, take a look at your marksmanship card. It's a re-used book cover:
Nice catch. Also makes sense that they used a X-Wing novel cover considering the game is definitely using characters from there. Maybe the MacQuarrie art will make it but it seems a little strange because, at least in this example, the art doesn't have much to do with the rule -- just emhpasizing that it's the shuttle Vader took from the Executor to the DS2.
cerbrus2 wrote: I do love x-wing. I'm really into it. the game is so fluid and fast paced its awesome.
However I'm actually really exited, as a company has gotten the rights to use the system in x-wing (fighting and movement) for there startrek game. And that should also make for some great space battles as well.
Now we just need someone to do a Battlestar Galactica range And I think my 40k armies are going to stay on the shelf.
Supposedly SW and ST will not be compatible to play against each others. I don't believe this. We're gamers: we'll find a way.
Ha although you know we are going to try and see who would win in a fight the enterprise VS Falcon. I am more happy about the prospect of just having a startrek battle game that works properly.
The scale difference would be massive lol for instance the X wing is probably around the same size as one of the enterprises shuttles.
Manchu wrote: Nice catch. Also makes sense that they used a X-Wing novel cover considering the game is definitely using characters from there. Maybe the MacQuarrie art will make it but it seems a little strange because, at least in this example, the art doesn't have much to do with the rule -- just emhpasizing that it's the shuttle Vader took from the Executor to the DS2.
Wouldn't be the first time FFG used that piece of art, actually.
I think it's only when the art in question is extremely old and it's disliked artwork. FFG reused artwork of daemons from Warhammer: Invasion in Relic. Nurglings, greater daemons, beasts of Nurgle, all reused.
I think the "Howling" is more in reference that GW reuses 95%old art in a new book that put 2 new rules and 2 new pieces of art in and ask 50+ dollars for it. FFG may be reusing some art. But 5% recycled material and 95% new stuff doesn't seem to bother anyone.
I actually enjoy the re-use of art in the X-Wing miniatures game and the Star Wars LCG. We've been doing silly mess around games where the LCG represents the galactic scope and the miniature games are our crucial battles. A little nonsensical, but the re-used art ties it together.
The shuttle pic is already in use with the SW LCG, so I assume it could be thre real thing.
Problem with ST:
X-Wing ships are in scale, ST ships are not. This happens when you reuse the same casts for the umphtenth time. Also one would have to rewrite the ST stats, since a Galaxy would be value-wise be quite close to a X-Wing.
I'm not sure, despite his abilities...I could field Vader in this style of game. Fluff-wise it just seems out of place. :-P I'm a fluff-whore, what can I say?
Duncan_Idaho wrote: The shuttle pic is already in use with the SW LCG, so I assume it could be thre real thing.
Problem with ST:
X-Wing ships are in scale, ST ships are not. This happens when you reuse the same casts for the umphtenth time. Also one would have to rewrite the ST stats, since a Galaxy would be value-wise be quite close to a X-Wing.
X-wing ships are in scaleish.. the a-wing and y-wings are certainly not right, especially the a-wing, it is about 30% bigger than it should be. Not particularly consequentional but the ships aren't 1:1 with each other for sure though generally speaking they are in quite similar scales.
MajorTom11 wrote: X-wing ships are in scaleish.. the a-wing and y-wings are certainly not right, especially the a-wing, it is about 30% bigger than it should be. Not particularly consequentional but the ships aren't 1:1 with each other for sure though generally speaking they are in quite similar scales.
That's disappointing... and exactly what put me off buying WotC's starship expansion when it was released.
MajorTom11 wrote: X-wing ships are in scaleish.. the a-wing and y-wings are certainly not right, especially the a-wing, it is about 30% bigger than it should be. Not particularly consequentional but the ships aren't 1:1 with each other for sure though generally speaking they are in quite similar scales.
That's disappointing... and exactly what put me off buying WotC's starship expansion when it was released.
FFG X-wing game is more to scale than the crappy WotC game.
Meh it's a nit-pic really... if the a-wing was real sized it would only be marginally larger than the cockpit area of a Y-wing... it takes almost everyone a while to notice, the only thing that gives it away is the canopy sizes respectively. If you knew right away you are either hyper observant and ocd or you have committed comparative tech specs to memory lol.
It's not perfect but it does work, honestly not a deal breaker. They aren't going to put out a star destroyer that is 12 inches long for the game or anything like that (it should be in the neighborhood of 20 ft)
MajorTom11 wrote: Meh it's a nit-pic really... if the a-wing was real sized it would only be marginally larger than the cockpit area of a Y-wing... it takes almost everyone a while to notice, the only thing that gives it away is the canopy sizes respectively. If you knew right away you are either hyper observant and ocd or you have committed comparative tech specs to memory lol.
It's not perfect but it does work, honestly not a deal breaker. They aren't going to put out a star destroyer that is 12 inches long for the game or anything like that (it should be in the neighborhood of 20 ft)
Even the Corellian Corvette from Kenner that others use is VERY offscale to the fighter-class vessels. You figure the X-wing was 12.5 meters long and the CR90 Corellian Corvette is 150 meters long.
So if the miniature is 1.5 inches long(somewhat close I hope?), that'd make the CR90 18 inches long. Massive! Heh.
Even the smaller Victory-class Star Destroyer would come in at 9 feet long.
Swap shop here I come!!!!
[H] $$$$ [W] 9-foot long Victory Star Destroyer model!
MajorTom11 wrote: X-wing ships are in scaleish.. the a-wing and y-wings are certainly not right, especially the a-wing, it is about 30% bigger than it should be. Not particularly consequentional but the ships aren't 1:1 with each other for sure though generally speaking they are in quite similar scales.
That's disappointing... and exactly what put me off buying WotC's starship expansion when it was released.
It's also not true. FFG worked with Lucasarts to establish the "official" sizes of all of their ships and scaled them from there.
If their are discrepancies (and the A-wing is definitely one that seems wrong if you stare at it too much) it's because other media hasn't used those measurements.
The overall scale for every X-Wing ship is 1:270 and Lucas/FFG went to extrem lengths to get the size right.
Sadly there are many wrong infos out there.
A-Wing and X-Wing are quite right... Problem is you virtually never see them side by side in a hangar and in space size without reference points is a huge problem....
Oh and while we are on it:
It is NOT true that the Falcon is the largest model to be released. Falcon and Co are middle-sized ships, there are larger ones to come. Wonder who give birth to that stupid rumor.....
Not quite true boys, I don't mean to start a (friendly mind) debate here, but look at the pilot models in the individual ship props, you can easily distinguish the sizing from them, the a-wing is most definitely a tiny ship...
This is a pretty accurate representatino of size if you ask me, cockpits, r2's and pilots all scale about right -
What part isn't quite true?
FFG based their scale off the official sizes that Lucasarts gave them. That may or may not match up with other scale evidence (and it obviously doesn't when it comes to the A-wing, but there was debate over the "official" size before XWing existed) but it's still the reality of the situation.
plastictrees wrote: What part isn't quite true?
FFG based their scale off the official sizes that Lucasarts gave them. That may or may not match up with other scale evidence (and it obviously doesn't when it comes to the A-wing, but there was debate over the "official" size before XWing existed) but it's still the reality of the situation.
It doesn't really matter why the ships are out of scale... The fact that they are is still just as disappointing.
PlasticT I don't doubt the source you are referencing, I think I read it too... I just think somewhere, somehow, Lucasarts got it wrong if the ships are that off compared to other representations of them and my own eyeballs of course.
Even if Lucasarts says it is right, doesn't mean it is, all depends on whether or not you will take their words in a singular instance as gospel or trust a mountain of evidence otherwise. That being said, the set size of an A-wing, who knows, I just know it is smaller than that to my eye.
regardless no need to get into it we can just agree to disagree and get back on point here -
The point being -
Insaniak, perfect scale or not, you HAVE to get into this game if you are a SW fan and a fan of great games!
plastictrees wrote: Are you not interested in the game but wanted some nice SW ships then insaniak?
No, I'm interested in both. I've been wanting a decent Star Wars ship game since forever... but the ships being to scale is a big issue for me. As I said, it's why I passed on the WotC game. The game itself can be as awesome as all heck, but the scale being off spoils the visual impact of it. And regardless of what Lucas or FFG may list as the 'official' measurements, going by how the A-wing is actually shown, it is out of scale. Obviously somewhere down the line someone got something wrong.
Not sure why it's such a big deal for ship games ( I would have a similar objection to a Star Trek game (which I would also very much like) with dodgy scale) while the rather 'loose' scale in 40K doesn't bother me as much... but there you have it. Sometimes brains are weird.
plastictrees wrote: What part isn't quite true?
FFG based their scale off the official sizes that Lucasarts gave them. That may or may not match up with other scale evidence (and it obviously doesn't when it comes to the A-wing, but there was debate over the "official" size before XWing existed) but it's still the reality of the situation.
It doesn't really matter why the ships are out of scale... The fact that they are is still just as disappointing.
It could be a retcon. They made the model for Return of the Jedi and later decided it was improbably small for a hyper-drive capable fighter craft.
The A-wing in that picture is smaller than Luke's landspeeder.
I'm (somewhat) with Insaniak and MT11 on this. Feth, I know they want (small) ship boosters at a flat €14,95 pricetag; I know scaling the A-Wing and Y-Wing entirely correctly is going to see A-Wing buyers up in the pitchforks over that; I'd just bloody well have liked to see the cockpits actually scale nicely with each other - I'd have liked to actually see a plethora of ship sizes. And hell, I'd have bought an A-Wing just the same, really. Now it's just too big even being the smallest ship so far and it's a bit of a shame.
OTOH they couldn't very well have made the A-Wing much smaller anymore (not much of a mini left anymore then) and the Y-Wing is already a pain in the neck to get into compact foam transport solutions on it's stand and the YT-1300 would just not have been feasible anymore.
I see why they had to call this the 'official' scale but yeah, it looks off and that's a bit of a bummer.
plastictrees wrote: What part isn't quite true?
FFG based their scale off the official sizes that Lucasarts gave them. That may or may not match up with other scale evidence (and it obviously doesn't when it comes to the A-wing, but there was debate over the "official" size before XWing existed) but it's still the reality of the situation.
It doesn't really matter why the ships are out of scale... The fact that they are is still just as disappointing.
It could be a retcon. They made the model for Return of the Jedi and later decided it was improbably small for a hyper-drive capable fighter craft.
The A-wing in that picture is smaller than Luke's landspeeder.
Really though, the A wing is basically a cockpit and a couple of missiles bolted onto an engine. Realistic life support has always been a handwavium issue in star wars.
I was the first in my group to comment on the size of the A-wing. If you check Wookiepedia (sigh) the "official" length is 9.5m I think while fans have determined that is should probably be closer to 7m, which sounds about right for how far the FFG A wing seems off by.
I remember reading something about differently sized props being created for the A wing initially, which is meant to explain the size confusion, but I can't remember where that was.
Anyway, the game is wicked fun. The scale really is very close, even if you don't accept Lucasarts dimensions as being the one true gospel despite the evidence presented to your eyeballs, you should be able to correct any discrepancies with a microwave and a hammer.
Actually, I suspect a microwave shouldn't hurt your precious hard-to-find minis all that much. I've found a hammer to be more suitable for those trickier rules disputes, though
Annnnnd I just ordered 5 Star Wars Miniatures Starship Battles a-wings .
I saw that thread before but that first shot was a photoshop, only looking down did I see there were actual models that scale too! Insaniak git'on it man, scale perfect, that was the only one!
MajorTom11 wrote: Insaniak git'on it man, scale perfect, that was the only one!
Actually, I'm still not entirely convinced that the B-wing is big enough, either
Although I think part of that is that I had been under the misapprehension that it has a twin-seater cockpit... probably just because it looks like the Falcon's cockpit
But yeah, the SSB A-wing looks spot on. That might assauge my concerns, if I can track some down...
The A-Wing has the right size, like every fighter in X-Wing. They even talked with the guys who built and designed those fighters back then to get it right.
The problem is:
> There are several props with different sizes depending on the szene they were needed for. So just placing them side by side does not always work, since you need to know for which szene these exact props were used for.
> Some props were designed too small back then and needed to be resized later, but back then the schedule was tight and no resizing possible and so they went with it.
> The Falcon size e.g. changes between the movies due to set needs and the same goes for other props and needs. In the end they had to choose one size and make it the final decission. That´s where the sizes for X-Wing come from.
> The siizes for X-Wing are the final word from Lucasfilm on how big the fighters really are, they are made by the folks who designed and built them i.e. the people that really should know it.
> FFG was able to have a look at the props at Lucasfilm so they had the real thing side by side, which we can´t. We always can´t be sure how distorted the picture is, so we could be tricked by the lenses.
Again: X-Wing is exactly 1:270 with regard to the final say from Lucasfilm regarding to sizes.
There is no need to worry about the wrong size. (And I don't make it up, I know it first hand from the guy who designed the FFG fighters)
@B-Wing
There is a two-seater B-Wing but with elongated cockpit and seats in row.
Btw.... never ever go by the falcon cockpit... there are two cockpit sizes... the four-seater from the movies and the two-seater from the holiday special.... make sure you know from which the picture is from or you really will get into scale problems .
Duncan_Idaho wrote: > The siizes for X-Wing are the final word from Lucasfilm on how big the fighters really are, they are made by the folks who designed and built them i.e. the people that really should know it.
Not necessarily. I remember there was some controversy over the official size for the Executor, with the lengths given in official Lucasfilm-approved sources blatantly contradicting the film and model evidence. It took a while for them to finally listen and change the official numbers. So it's easy for the A-wing the be the same kind of thing.
We always can´t be sure how distorted the picture is, so we could be tricked by the lenses.
You don't need to worry about lens distortion, just look at the cockpit and pilot sizes. The A-wing is obviously a tiny ship, and the game model is out of scale.
approved does not mean every single entry is checked by Lucasfilm, that would not be possible and couldn't be payed.
We are speaking about Lucasfilm-internal and they got their sizes right when it comes to X-Wing. Actually the went even over some sizes that would not show up in the game and made a final say. That´s how we got the Deathstar sizes finally matching the films
At least 1-2 A-wing props are too small and size got later changed. So the FFG might not fit the original prop, but it does fit the official size as decided by Lucasfilm.
Btw. already the model kits were larger than the original prop and all following renditions of the A-wing sticked with the bigger size, which should give you a hint. Also nearly all sources agree that an A-wing is roughly a third the size of the Falcon lengthwise and the falcon is correct, placing my modell beside the falcon it is roughly one third of it... so it is quite right. According to your claims the A-wing would be a quarter to a fifth the slength of the falcon...
Like I said and no disrespect to you and plastic, but you can say all you want important and learned men say the sky on earth is red during the day and green at night, but to my eyes at least that simply does not make it so.
I don't quite get why it is such a big deal to even consider they may have got it wrong despite their pedigree... In any case, all evidence both in film and in the matte paintings used in the backdrops in the hangars and the production design all indicate it was built precisely as intended.... Unless their was a conspiracy to jam a 12 foot humanoid pilot in each ship from the beginning?
Anyways I love both you guys, either way it's really not worth arguing about further, lets just agree to disagree and move on to enjoying this awesome game, tiny nit picky scale issue or not...
MajorTom11 wrote: perfect scale or not, you HAVE to get into this game if you are a SW fan and a fan of great games!
I plan on getting it just for the collecting/display purposes. My buddy and I are going to give it a run or two, see if we like it. If we do, hes going to buy in as well. If we dont, then they go on my shelf and look nice.
Also, Im a fair bit of a scale stickler, and these are close enough for me. I wont go near the Star Trek ships though...the complete lack of scale ruins it for me.
Duncan_Idaho wrote: You are absolutly entiteld to you opinion. But it gets problematic when your opinion keeps people from buying the game.
Fact is: The size of the X-Wing models is the final say of Lucasfilm with regard to the official size.
Nothing I said should prevent anyone from buying this game. In fact, this is the game I have been most enthused about and strongly vocal about, by far. In fact, I am lobbying hard both internally and externally to get a full fledged section going for it here, I will be on the Adepticon x-wing board, and I have attempted to invite FFG to get involved here as well. I have completely custom painted my shpis in a P and M blog, I have custom printed my own mats, I have bought a gak ton of third party stuff, I have more than 5 of every small ship and 3 of the big ones... honestly I couldn't be a bigger fan.
Insaniak merely said the scale was off on the A-wing, I agree with him. Do I think that should be an obstacle to buying, no bloody way it's not even worth worrying about.
Not saying absolutely everything is flawlessly perfect doesn't mean i'm not a huge fan of the game, I'm not that black and white about it I'm sorry.
MajorTom11 wrote: Insaniak merely said the scale was off on the A-wing, I agree with him. Do I think that should be an obstacle to buying, no bloody way it's not even worth worrying about.
Certainly one ship being out of scale isn't a big concern in the grand scheme of things, particularly when that is fixable. My only concern would be with how many time this might happen on future releases.
So I'm probably more in the 'wait and see' camp at the moment than the 'must buy' camp... but that's as much due to a lack of hobby budget right now as anything else
Duncan_Idaho wrote: You are absolutly entiteld to you opinion. But it gets problematic when your opinion keeps people from buying the game.
How is it problematic if someone doesn't buy a game? If someone cares so much about scale issues that they don't buy the game (or a specific model) over it then it's FFG's fault for getting the scale wrong. And we certainly aren't obligated to refrain from discussing it and protect every potential sale.
Duncan_Idaho wrote: At least 1-2 A-wing props are too small and size got later changed. So the FFG might not fit the original prop, but it does fit the official size as decided by Lucasfilm.
And it's your choice to put official statements ahead of what the movies actually show, just like you can make your choice about whether Lucas is a delusional liar when he says that Han never shot first or if the official statement that he didn't is all that matters.
The B-wing is one of my favourite ships, so i am really looking to it being released so i can add it to my collection.
X-wing is really start to pick up at my club and is really fun game system, so really looking forward to seeing what the future brings for it.
Can we stop worrying about the size of the ships guys?
Or create a post in the modeling forum on "I don't think the ship is in scale, what do you think and what alternatives do you suggest?"
As a guy who has played SWRPG off various flavors for 20 years, NEVER expect lucasfilm to get anything right on ANY technical details...they are story tellers, not gamers or engineers.
Now, back on topic...
I am exceptionally excited about the new releases.
The game is great and the minis are awesome and I am very excited about the potential for more EU ships.
I do hope however, they don't eventually flood the market with minis...and complex cards...one of the beauties of the system is how simple it is and easy to play (yet having a lot of tactical elements to make it fun for wargamers).
Not sure how I feel about this. Imperials get another larger-based, fat, not-so-maneuverable tank in the Lambda shuttle (which, in my opinion, probably won't be fast/maneuverable enough to keep up with TIEs it's meant to be supporting) while the Rebel HWK-290, their "support ship", is on the smaller base and will likely be faster and more maneuverable.
Possibly although I'd say a TIE Defender as stat'ed in the old TIE Fighter pc game would be a 100pt "squadron" all by itself! hull 3, shields 7, attack 3, defense 3, every move 2+ on the dial, every action released so far in the game, ion primary weapon option, elite pilot upgrade standard, and missile/bomb/torpedo upgrades. Personally, I'd rather see a real TIE avenger card or model first. Making the model might piss off a few gamers but the card seems like a safe bet and something good to do for the league kits.
To those saying the A-wing is the wrong size based off of the movie, I say the movie is the wrong size based on the movie. The pilot models that were plsced in the A-Wing cockpits are actually twice the size of the pilots used in the other starfighters, meaning that while you could base the crafts size on the pilot in the movies, the movie model is not itself in scale with the other movie models.
It's times like this that I'm reminded that the phrase "the fanatic peat" is the best phrase ever introduced into English from Spain.
The current A-wing model is teeny tinysmall. If the scale gets fudged, it's going to be fudged in the direction of giving people a model big enough to see.
chaos0xomega wrote: To those saying the A-wing is the wrong size based off of the movie, I say the movie is the wrong size based on the movie. The pilot models that were plsced in the A-Wing cockpits are actually twice the size of the pilots used in the other starfighters, meaning that while you could base the crafts size on the pilot in the movies, the movie model is not itself in scale with the other movie models.
That's something I read earlier as well, can't remember the source though.
Super excited for the BWing still.
I picked up the Hawk Wargames Cityscape for Heavy Gear a few months ago, but I'm thinking of using it as the setting for some bombing run type scenarios once the Bomber and Bwing are out.
Riquende wrote: Happily the stock levels in the UK stayed positive for long enough so that I could nab a TIE Advanced and an X Wing (and some crucial extra dice).
In terms of value, you're better off picking up an additional starter, unless you need the cards from the X-Wing booster.
Riquende wrote: Happily the stock levels in the UK stayed positive for long enough so that I could nab a TIE Advanced and an X Wing (and some crucial extra dice).
In terms of value, you're better off picking up an additional starter, unless you need the cards from the X-Wing booster.
You're not wrong, but I wanted at least one copy of the expansion.
warboss wrote: Wave 3 has officially moved one step closer to in all our grubby hands as its now listed as "at the printer" on the FFG website!
A stage that typically lasts 3 to 6 months, judging by past experience.
Let's just hope its 3 months and not 6 months although 6 months is probably better for all of us since it means we can all buy X-Wing without stock disappearing for no reason.
warboss wrote: Wave 3 has officially moved one step closer to in all our grubby hands as its now listed as "at the printer" on the FFG website!
A stage that typically lasts 3 to 6 months, judging by past experience.
Let's just hope its 3 months and not 6 months although 6 months is probably better for all of us since it means we can all buy X-Wing without stock disappearing for no reason.
Well, after "At the Printers" comes "On the Boat" which generally means 1 to 2 months in transit followed by a month and a half in customs.
I was following the original release of Descent: Journeys in the Dark VERY closely.
Duncan_Idaho wrote: Fact is: The size of the X-Wing models is the final say of Lucasfilm with regard to the official size.
Agreed.
This is an imaginary vehicle. If they (LucasFilm) say it is to scale then it is.
Mad4Minis wrote: I wont go near the Star Trek ships though...the complete lack of scale ruins it for me.
The scale thing bothers me but also it makes no sense to me that Star Trek ships would move like WWII fighter plane space ships. It just seems like a terrible money grab unless they significantly reconsider the feel of the X-Wing rules.
Thanks for posting the picks, can't wait.
