warpedpig wrote:
Just player higher point games.

I don't think I'm getting my point across very well.
If all or even most Eldar units go up in points because of of all these rumoured buffs, you will have less vs your opponent.
If I play higher points, my opponent gets that many more points too.

The REAL problem is that GW does not have a good track record for assigning appropriate points to this.
They will either:
A) not increase the points enough so all these buffs will create OP Eldar lists, just like 7th ed Eldar or
B) increase the points TOO much (either to start with or as an over reaction to part A.) and make Eldar armies disproportionately outnumbered by even Space Marine lists.
Eldar may be few in number and superior to regular humans, but that doesn't always translate well in-game

This is all speculation and in good fun, of course, but it's something to think about

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On a large enough table, with speed and cover effective, numbers aren’t everything. On a postage stamp kitchen table, yeah, like playing pogs with fewer pogs.


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 Irbis wrote:

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It's a ForgeWorld kit, so never going to happen.

And yet, most of plastic custode range is pretty much invalidated in 40k by ugly, pay to win FW gak (I especially like termies with eye lenses so wide the user must be seeing with ears). Go figure

Really, wraithseer (and all resin custodes) should be just upgrade options to plastic minis, not their own units, but otherwise the same datasheets (like ogryn bodyguard or GK walker HQ). That way players wouldn't be gatekeeped by FW availability and could choose it they want to convert plastics or get 'official' resin model.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm still debating whether that second part is required for balance or not. There's an argument to be made that reducing to 0 damage increases the design space, and allows you to show that certain types of units are immune to certain types of weapons (ie. Landraiders vs Laspistols).

Certainly, and that's why MuH uSr whining so prevalent in certain threads here is so dumb. There is place for several durability rules, depending on unit, to better balance them. It's almost as if 'bespoke' rules actually had a (GASP!) point

Also, why would a Land Raider be immune to laspitols anyway? You can still destroy tracks/optics/guns with it no problem. There is little functional difference between mission killed tank that withdrawn (or was abandoned) and the one that was killed for real in the game, but people for some reason always cling to one interpretation as if they didn't get the point of abstraction in rules.

What? Yeah, ok… sure, hand guns were disabling tanks all through the twentieth century. No problem? Explains why Saving Private Ryan ended the way it did, they were TRYING to get Tom Hanks’ pistol to that bridge, to stop the armor.

GW usually lets the new codex updates be a bit or a lot OP so I doubt our points will go up dramatically. Even if they went up a bit the quality of our forces is getting big boosts. Sounds like they’re putting a lot of effort into this refresh. I am optimistic.

 jeff white wrote:
On a large enough table, with speed and cover effective, numbers aren’t everything. On a postage stamp kitchen table, yeah, like playing pogs with fewer pogs.

So, the official size GW wants you to be playing all games nowadays, eh?

warpedpig wrote:
GW usually lets the new codex updates be a bit or a lot OP so I doubt our points will go up dramatically. Even if they went up a bit the quality of our forces is getting big boosts. Sounds like they’re putting a lot of effort into this refresh. I am optimistic.

Based on what? Zero reliable info on new rules so far.

tneva82 wrote:

warpedpig wrote:
GW usually lets the new codex updates be a bit or a lot OP so I doubt our points will go up dramatically. Even if they went up a bit the quality of our forces is getting big boosts. Sounds like they’re putting a lot of effort into this refresh. I am optimistic.

Based on what? Zero reliable info on new rules so far.

You can speculate based on any information, the veracity of it doesn't matter. Although the eldar vs chaos box seems to be on the cards.

23rd:

That'd be nice.

But give us a new model...

I can absolutely get on board with those changes. Happy to pay the extra 70 points for it too.

A buff like that makes me think he will likely be getting a new model as rumours have hinted at.

Very much hoping it isn't from that Rumour Engine preview that appeared a while back though... not a huge fan of blood being molded into a sculpt.

 Crafter91 wrote:
I can absolutely get on board with those changes. Happy to pay the extra 70 points for it too.

A buff like that makes me think he will likely be getting a new model as rumours have hinted at.

Very much hoping it isn't from that Rumour Engine preview that appeared a while back though... not a huge fan of blood being molded into a sculpt.

It's always been a part of his lore though.

Those stats are very much in line with what I'd expect the avatar to be, assuming a greater daemon sized model. Bring it on!
The aura bit also seems to indicate aspect warriors will all get core.

 Crafter91 wrote:
Very much hoping it isn't from that Rumour Engine preview that appeared a while back though... not a huge fan of blood being molded into a sculpt.

Agreed, even though it's a core part of the lore for Khaine. Should be easy enough to file down, though.

I mean, it's literally "the bloody-handed god"...

If there's ever been a straighter line to add something to a sculpt, I don't know what it is.

I have to admit that the sculpt I like most of the avatar is still the original metal one, though. To me it has much more character than the FW one or the many other substitutes I've seen so far.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
On a large enough table, with speed and cover effective, numbers aren’t everything. On a postage stamp kitchen table, yeah, like playing pogs with fewer pogs.

So, the official size GW wants you to be playing all games nowadays, eh?

When and if we ever have a place to live, our own again, I want an 8x4 and will use modified 2nd or centimeters instead of inches and I want to try Prohammer too. Smaller point games like 500 to750 on a 4x4 with standard force org might be interesting, with some restrictions. Postage stamp, not for me, no interest in gaming next to my kitchen counter, anyways…

There's enough evidence in just about every 9th codex released so far that initially a bunch of stuff will be OP. Some things will be too cheap, some things that were really popular will be pointed or nerfed out of favour so people buy new stuff etc. Its all standard practice and history has repeated itself through several 9th codexes already.

You're also all assuming all these rumoured new plastic aspect kits will have the same weapon options as current meaning you can use your current models without having to buy more lol.

How would they sell Eldar players that have been using the same models for 20+ years new plastic if they keep the options the same?

If I were looking at it from a business point of view rather than an IP/hobby one changing the gear options on models this old makes absolute sense. Otherwise, they spend all this time and money refreshing the models/rules, etc. and nobody buys anything. Similar story as the Primaris releases, but on a smaller scale. I don't expect Parimaris-levels of revamping.

And if these rumours are anything to go by there's even less indication that huge wargear changes are afoot. Most of what we've seen seems in line with current model options, just dialed up. I would just be cautious about expecting to use all your decades old models without any incentive to buy new stuff.

I like the sound of that Avatar. It's a shame we can't retcon a bunch of other Eldar god's avatars into the game. Or just make the Phoenix lords much more impactful game-wise. I mean there's a greater daemon for each chaos god + character versions that are huge signature units Eldar needs something shiny.

I'm also a little confused by the current advent rumour mill teasers, all those chaos teases look very Khornate which supports what the rumoured Eldar vs chaos box includes, but what's the lore behind this? I mean Khorne doesn't need much reason to get involved in any fight...but Eldar? There's always some long-term agenda.

 Albertorius wrote:
I mean, it's literally "the bloody-handed god"...

If there's ever been a straighter line to add something to a sculpt, I don't know what it is.

I guess just call it personal preference; I would rather paint the blood on myself and have some creative freedom as to where and how much it's applied.

Huge drips like the ones shown on the preview don't look close to realistic on a models arm - I know realism isn't what everybody goes for, but I try to adhere to it with effects like blood.

if you can imaging your own hand being drenched in blood, there wouldn't be big globs of it. It would be lots of smaller streams running down your arm, which is far easier to apply with a paintbrush.

That's my 2 cents though. Appreciate not everyone will agree.

I am so hyped for a new Avatar model.

Sounds like it’s what we needed. Faster movement. Hits way harder. Damaged halted. 4++. It’s going to get some work done. At 270 points it’s very reasonable a cost as well. The real strength of the army will come from all the special rules. What is core. What isn’t. How will all these new models and rules synergistically work together. I am optimistic Eldar will be stomping the other factions hard for a while and then get toned back down a notch to make them formidable but not OP

Octovol wrote:
There's enough evidence in just about every 9th codex released so far that initially a bunch of stuff will be OP. Some things will be too cheap, some things that were really popular will be pointed or nerfed out of favour so people buy new stuff etc. Its all standard practice and history has repeated itself through several 9th codexes already.

You're also all assuming all these rumoured new plastic aspect kits will have the same weapon options as current meaning you can use your current models without having to buy more lol.

How would they sell Eldar players that have been using the same models for 20+ years new plastic if they keep the options the same?

If I were looking at it from a business point of view rather than an IP/hobby one changing the gear options on models this old makes absolute sense. Otherwise, they spend all this time and money refreshing the models/rules, etc. and nobody buys anything. Similar story as the Primaris releases, but on a smaller scale. I don't expect Parimaris-levels of revamping.

And if these rumours are anything to go by there's even less indication that huge wargear changes are afoot. Most of what we've seen seems in line with current model options, just dialed up. I would just be cautious about expecting to use all your decades old models without any incentive to buy new stuff.

I like the sound of that Avatar. It's a shame we can't retcon a bunch of other Eldar god's avatars into the game. Or just make the Phoenix lords much more impactful game-wise. I mean there's a greater daemon for each chaos god + character versions that are huge signature units Eldar needs something shiny.

I'm also a little confused by the current advent rumour mill teasers, all those chaos teases look very Khornate which supports what the rumoured Eldar vs chaos box includes, but what's the lore behind this? I mean Khorne doesn't need much reason to get involved in any fight...but Eldar? There's always some long-term agenda.

Right now, I am only aware of three Aspect units rumored to get new kits (Hawks, Spiders, Spears). Also, looking back at Banshees which was pretty much a plastic version of old models. I expect the Exarch models to have some new options we currently don't have models for, but the basic armament will most likely stay the same. Heck, I still use RT era Reapers and Scorpions in my current armies.

I do anticipate base size to increase for Aspect Warriors to mirror current Banshees.

 Sarigar wrote:


I do anticipate base size to increase for Aspect Warriors to mirror current Banshees.

Ahhh nuts. I hadn't thought about base sizes...

GW has been liking their 28s for newer human-ish sized models and as much as I hate it, it does work. The new Banshees or Incubi on 25s would be just a smidge too tight.

warpedpig wrote:
Just player higher point games.

Most people don't want to do that.
Plus the game functions noticeably worse at higher (and lower) point values. The 'oppressive firepower just removes large chunks of the battlefield' gets magnified, and you're even further away from a reasonable game.

GW still mostly tests at around 1500 points, and the further you move away from that, the further constraints on the FOC, table size, etc break.

If turn 1 you’re winning the game with shooting then you aren’t using enough line of sight blocking building or terrain.

 Sarigar wrote:

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Octovol wrote:
There's enough evidence in just about every 9th codex released so far that initially a bunch of stuff will be OP. Some things will be too cheap, some things that were really popular will be pointed or nerfed out of favour so people buy new stuff etc. Its all standard practice and history has repeated itself through several 9th codexes already.

You're also all assuming all these rumoured new plastic aspect kits will have the same weapon options as current meaning you can use your current models without having to buy more lol.

How would they sell Eldar players that have been using the same models for 20+ years new plastic if they keep the options the same?

If I were looking at it from a business point of view rather than an IP/hobby one changing the gear options on models this old makes absolute sense. Otherwise, they spend all this time and money refreshing the models/rules, etc. and nobody buys anything. Similar story as the Primaris releases, but on a smaller scale. I don't expect Parimaris-levels of revamping.

And if these rumours are anything to go by there's even less indication that huge wargear changes are afoot. Most of what we've seen seems in line with current model options, just dialed up. I would just be cautious about expecting to use all your decades old models without any incentive to buy new stuff.

I like the sound of that Avatar. It's a shame we can't retcon a bunch of other Eldar god's avatars into the game. Or just make the Phoenix lords much more impactful game-wise. I mean there's a greater daemon for each chaos god + character versions that are huge signature units Eldar needs something shiny.

I'm also a little confused by the current advent rumour mill teasers, all those chaos teases look very Khornate which supports what the rumoured Eldar vs chaos box includes, but what's the lore behind this? I mean Khorne doesn't need much reason to get involved in any fight...but Eldar? There's always some long-term agenda.

Right now, I am only aware of three Aspect units rumored to get new kits (Hawks, Spiders, Spears). Also, looking back at Banshees which was pretty much a plastic version of old models. I expect the Exarch models to have some new options we currently don't have models for, but the basic armament will most likely stay the same. Heck, I still use RT era Reapers and Scorpions in my current armies.

I do anticipate base size to increase for Aspect Warriors to mirror current Banshees.

The advent rumour engine includes a striking scorpion blade, either its a revamp of the scoprions themselves or it's Kharandras or an Autarch with a biting blade or something.

Sterling191 wrote:
GW has been liking their 28s for newer human-ish sized models and as much as I hate it, it does work. The new Banshees or Incubi on 25s would be just a smidge too tight.

I (finally) finished painting my Eldar army early last year but they are still on the 25mm bases. Gonna be a pain to re-base them but i do have some awesome looking resin bases to stick them all on now. Perhaps that can be my project for next year

the rule that you always wound on a 6 makes tanks and big monsters useless, even more when you play agains an opponent that is alway throwing so manny sixes that he kills you tank with bolters

I wanna see the exact Craftworld traits relics and stratagems. Saim Hann will hopefully finally become competitive.

warpedpig wrote:
I wanna see the exact Craftworld traits relics and stratagems. Saim Hann will hopefully finally become competitive.

You lot had your time in the sun recently (in the grand scheme of things) let Biel-Tan have their turn

Saim Hann have been mediocre

DivineVisitor wrote:

warpedpig wrote:
I wanna see the exact Craftworld traits relics and stratagems. Saim Hann will hopefully finally become competitive.

You lot had your time in the sun recently (in the grand scheme of things) let Biel-Tan have their turn

warpedpig wrote:Saim Hann have been mediocre

Jetbikes have been top for a few editions, but have the subfaction craftworld rules ever been decent for anything other then niche detatchments?

warpedpig wrote:
Saim Hann have been mediocre

I do recall Jetbike Eldar Saim Hann style armies being super powerful an edition or two ago. Can't really recall the same for an Aspect Warrior based army with the exception of spamming as many Dark Reapers as possible.

The issue Biel-Tan has at least the way i run my force (lots of different types of Aspect Warriors) is that with so many different types of units they aren't all going to fall into the OP category meaning the army always tends to balance out. Probably my own fault though given that's the way i like to play them.

Avatar would be pretty absurd at that cost and statline if true. Sure hope that's not the case.

 Sasori wrote:
Avatar would be pretty absurd at that cost and statline if true. Sure hope that's not the case.

Yeah, I like the rules but I sort of feel like he should be another 100 points or so.

 Sasori wrote:
Avatar would be pretty absurd at that cost and statline if true. Sure hope that's not the case.

We had some crazily undercoated units in the recent past, like the Kill Rig or Eradicators. So seems plausible.

 Sasori wrote:
Avatar would be pretty absurd at that cost and statline if true. Sure hope that's not the case.

I think if any units are allowed to get away with being on the overpowered for their cost side it's unique units that are limited to 1 per army. Especially the ones that can be targeted and blown off the tabletop from the other side of the board such as Mortarion, Magnus, The Avatar, Named Greater Daemons, Ghazghkull etc.

 DivineVisitor wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Avatar would be pretty absurd at that cost and statline if true. Sure hope that's not the case.

I think if any units are allowed to get away with being on the overpowered for their cost side it's unique units that are limited to 1 per army. Especially the ones that can be targeted and blown off the tabletop from the other side of the board such as Mortarion, Magnus, The Avatar, Named Greater Daemons, Ghazghkull etc.

I agree with this. If a spammable unit is OP then it’s just horrible to face. But 1 epic centrepiece that’s actually scary is great.

 DivineVisitor wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Avatar would be pretty absurd at that cost and statline if true. Sure hope that's not the case.

I think if any units are allowed to get away with being on the overpowered for their cost side it's unique units that are limited to 1 per army. Especially the ones that can be targeted and blown off the tabletop from the other side of the board such as Mortarion, Magnus, The Avatar, Named Greater Daemons, Ghazghkull etc.

0-1 unit being allowed to be op for cost is noob game design logic

Where did these rumours originate from again, is it someone claiming to have read the playtest codex? Aren’t future kill team boxes well out of the scope for what they should know?

 ImAGeek wrote:
Where did these rumours originate from again, is it someone claiming to have read the playtest codex? Aren’t future kill team boxes well out of the scope for what they should know?

It's not inconceivable someone who has access to early versions of the codex also has access to early rules for other stuff. Likewise the units introduced in kill team still need playtesting in 40k, makes sense they'd test it with the codex.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Where did these rumours originate from again, is it someone claiming to have read the playtest codex? Aren’t future kill team boxes well out of the scope for what they should know?

IIRC the claim was one leaker had a playtest codex and another had a partial, finished codex (inc. art) to translate.

tneva82 wrote:

 DivineVisitor wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Avatar would be pretty absurd at that cost and statline if true. Sure hope that's not the case.

I think if any units are allowed to get away with being on the overpowered for their cost side it's unique units that are limited to 1 per army. Especially the ones that can be targeted and blown off the tabletop from the other side of the board such as Mortarion, Magnus, The Avatar, Named Greater Daemons, Ghazghkull etc.

0-1 unit being allowed to be op for cost is noob game design logic

There will always be units that are on the overpowered for their cost side, always have been, always will be. But like I said I feel the units that can get away with being on the OP side (as opposed to other units in the game) are the non spammable unique ones that are limited to 1 per army.

 Albertorius wrote:
I have to admit that the sculpt I like most of the avatar is still the original metal one, though.

The dude with the spear and cloak is a cool sculpt, but he's a bit small these days.

+ + +

Kinda depressing to see some people still giving any credence to this claptrap, though.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I have to admit that the sculpt I like most of the avatar is still the original metal one, though.

The dude with the spear and cloak is a cool sculpt, but he's a bit small these days.

+ + +

Kinda depressing to see some people still giving any credence to this claptrap, though.

I feel you need a reasonable forfeit if any of it pans out.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Where did these rumours originate from again, is it someone claiming to have read the playtest codex? Aren’t future kill team boxes well out of the scope for what they should know?

They are...and the claim of a Squat Kill Team goes against what the credible leak schedule talked about.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Where did these rumours originate from again, is it someone claiming to have read the playtest codex? Aren’t future kill team boxes well out of the scope for what they should know?

They are...and the claim of a Squat Kill Team goes against what the credible leak schedule talked about.

No it isn't, they also said some squats were coming, but didn't elaborate further.

Summary here: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/08/40k-rumors-tau-chaos-space-marines-and.html?m=1

Dudeface wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Where did these rumours originate from again, is it someone claiming to have read the playtest codex? Aren’t future kill team boxes well out of the scope for what they should know?

They are...and the claim of a Squat Kill Team goes against what the credible leak schedule talked about.

No it isn't, they also said some squats were coming, but didn't elaborate further.

You're right. That's my bad, I conflated a comment made by Bob from War of Sigmar into it.

Summary here: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/08/40k-rumors-tau-chaos-space-marines-and.html?m=1

Yeah, don't do that. Don't link Natfka. It's trash.

War of Sigmar is right there. It's screencaps.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

Dudeface wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Where did these rumours originate from again, is it someone claiming to have read the playtest codex? Aren’t future kill team boxes well out of the scope for what they should know?

They are...and the claim of a Squat Kill Team goes against what the credible leak schedule talked about.

No it isn't, they also said some squats were coming, but didn't elaborate further.

You're right. That's my bad, I conflated a comment made by Bob from War of Sigmar into it.

Summary here: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/08/40k-rumors-tau-chaos-space-marines-and.html?m=1

Yeah, don't do that. Don't link Natfka. It's trash.

War of Sigmar is right there. It's screencaps.

Meh it was the first legible Google response I got back.

Yeah, they put a lot of effort into having that happen via spamming search engines and the like.

Doesn't change that I just handed you the 100% more useful link.

An Eldritch Storm Is Brewing… What’s in Store for Warhammer 40,000? - WarCom

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:A new Warhammer 40,000 battlebox is coming and it looks like those old enemies are at it again. https://bit.ly/3pkfpOH

Same WarCom link, but confirms it's a battlebox.

Dudeface wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I have to admit that the sculpt I like most of the avatar is still the original metal one, though.

The dude with the spear and cloak is a cool sculpt, but he's a bit small these days.

+ + +

Kinda depressing to see some people still giving any credence to this claptrap, though.

I feel you need a reasonable forfeit if any of it pans out.

Why? I don't think this will be true. And if it is, I simply will be wrong. Not like it's the end of the world.

 Albertorius wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I have to admit that the sculpt I like most of the avatar is still the original metal one, though.

The dude with the spear and cloak is a cool sculpt, but he's a bit small these days.

+ + +

Kinda depressing to see some people still giving any credence to this claptrap, though.

I feel you need a reasonable forfeit if any of it pans out.

Why? I don't think this will be true. And if it is, I simply will be wrong. Not like it's the end of the world.

I more meant Dysartes, just to decry them so strongly and publicly repeatedly, I was poking fun more than anything, lighten up!

Dudeface wrote:
I more meant Dysartes, just to decry them so strongly and publicly repeatedly, I was poking fun more than anything, lighten up!

Hey, no worries, this is not really high-stakes at all ^^

OTOH, eating crow from time to time builds character, so...

Wow! Looks like there have been a lot of changes since I last checked the thread. I'm not sure how to feel about DA in the Elite spot, I like to run Guardians and Avengers so it won't affect me too much but I know most folks only use DA for troops.

I'm happy the Avatar looks more durable, I'll be happy to have my heavy metal Avatar stomp around the board with that profile.

So will this box set being revealed tonight potentially make these advent leaks more believable? I want the new models to be true xD

 Tiberius501 wrote:
So will this box set being revealed tonight potentially make these advent leaks more believable? I want the new models to be true xD

Not particularly. A lot of the rules ones will stay silly no matter what gets revealed. Other rules are just extrapolation of rules that are becoming more common across the game like the Avatar getting a hard stab and cleave (anti-chaff) attacks (or whatever they're called).

Model-wise, its about what you'd expect- we all know Craftworlds have a lot of work that needs to be done, and basically anything non-tank and non-wraith fills that void.

Except the corsairs, but even that fits with other things (like the other rumors distilling FW Renegades and Heretics down into something that can be stuffed sideways in the chaos marines under the 'cultist' umbrella), or since they're the original Eldar concept out of Rogue Trader, its a nostalgia button like GSC or AdMech. And brace for the 'blah, blah' narrative about the new and improved GW not 'really' cancelling the FW product lines, just showing off a new place for it was delayed by things they couldn't control. Even though most of those products will remain cancelled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-FKo34x77Y
Chaos Vs Eldar

 Tiberius501 wrote:
So will this box set being revealed tonight potentially make these advent leaks more believable? I want the new models to be true xD

Not really seeing we have had reliable rumour with proven track record saying eldar and chaos early 2022. Would be stupia for troll to invent stuff that contradict reliable rumours

Ah okay fair enough. Hopefully GW reveals more Eldar stuff soon so we can know for sure. I’m sure we won’t get anything until 2069 though.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/25/new-asuryani-clash-with-chaos-space-marines-in-the-next-warhammer-40000-battlebox

Looks like these rumours are accurate.

Merry Eldarmas:

I think that is the first ever GW visual depiction of Kurnous in 40K (not counting WHFB).

I'll just copy here what I said on the rumours thread, for completeness xD:

Well, nothing really surprising there:

The autarch is bland, but OK I guess, the regular rangers are cool, the bike rangers are... there, but the minis are nice.

The plastic warpsmith is quite a bit worse than the one it replaces, though, and the chosen are pretty bland, so the chaos part is mostly disappointing. Also the dinobot is clearly there to up the price of the box.

I like the look of the rangers on jetbikes even if its silly to have marksmen up on the back of them. I wish they'd have gone with the Autuarch pose and loadout on the art though instead of what they ultimately chose.

I love these Rangers and holding back from starting an Aeldari Kill-team is going to be a real challenge.

 Albertorius wrote:

The plastic warpsmith is quite a bit worse than the one it replaces, though, and the chosen are pretty bland, so the chaos part is mostly disappointing. Also the dinobot is clearly there to up the price of the box.

What's worse? I'm not very familiar with the old ones.

So, are the leaks more believable now that this boxset was revealed? If so, I’m very excited for the Corsair Kill Team mentioned.

Were the Ranger Jetbikes predicted anywhere? They are not in the OP of this thread.

 warboss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

The plastic warpsmith is quite a bit worse than the one it replaces, though, and the chosen are pretty bland, so the chaos part is mostly disappointing. Also the dinobot is clearly there to up the price of the box.

What's worse? I'm not very familiar with the old ones.

Old warsmith looks cooler to me, both in pose and in it being more of an "evil techmarine" and less of a "regular chaos marine with tentacles":



The Chosen poses seem to be all "come at me bro" (feet planted as far away from the other as the base allows, and that's mostly it) save for a running one, but they will blend very well with the new chaos marines... mainly by being basically the same bodies as those. The DV ones which these substitute are cooler IMO:



To me they look nice, but kind of uninspired.

Love the new Eldar personally. Autarch is quite commanding, new Rangers are sick and the bikes look boss.

I much prefer the new Warpsmith, his helmet less head is very cool and he is easier to read, compared to the mess of detail the last one was.

Gotta say I’m disappointed with the chosen though, their poses are kinda meh, and they don’t look a whole lot more impressive than the normal marines.

Oh man, those ranger bikes are quite something.

So we've got the ordinary Rangers, who we see wearing green, camouflage cloaks, presumably to blend in with trees and such. Okay.

Then we see them wearing the exact same camouflage cloaks . . . while riding atop bright-red jetbikes.

I love that the Autarch is female. Over the years I've tried to make my Eldar as close to 50/50 male/female as possible, and since Autarchs have always been my favorite HQ, it'll be hard to pass on this set

They said there's two torso. I guess one is male

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Were the Ranger Jetbikes predicted anywhere? They are not in the OP of this thread.

Months ago.

 streetsamurai wrote:
They said there's two torso. I guess one is male

I'm guessing that the alt torso isn't just male, but goes with the "secret parts" they mention. I'm further venturing a guess that those will be parts for a plastic Yriel.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
They said there's two torso. I guess one is male

I'm guessing that the alt torso isn't just male, but goes with the "secret parts" they mention. I'm further venturing a guess that those will be parts for a plastic Yriel.

This is an excellent theory.


Huge fan of the models, I'm happy for Eldar players for the new sculpts. Part of me is holding out hope that Chosen won't get the Sword Brethren Treatment (And therefore, be useless) but I'm sure it is.

Warpsmith looks amazing, though that Hammer is diffrent than the Rumor engine one. Wonder what the rumor engine hammer is, because it looked way more warp smithy.

The warpsmith looks much better in the video when you get a a rotating view.
The chosen definitely aren't spectacular although the faces are a nice tribute to the old Oblits, lol

The Eldar do look great but I already have 10 rangers, do I really need more?
Bikes are cool, not sure how they'll be used in game.
Autarch looks good and can't wait to see full options.

Will try to split with a friend.

More overpriced plastic. I’ll just find a 3D proxy of the autarch and call it a day. Who wants rangers on jetbikes. Sounds stupid to be honest.

I like the autarch and rangers, could pass on those jetbikes though.

After seeing the rangers I do hope the guardians get a refresh. They don't need a big rework of their aesthetic, but the kit is showing it's age. An update similar to what tau firewarriors received would be nice, when they got the breachers introduced to the kit.

Basically the dumbest concept possible. Putting snipers on the back of a motorcycle essentially. No way to support the rifle. You just have to hold it. Lol. You’d never hit a damn thing. Huge difference from being in a supported shooting position. You’re not gonna be “sniping” like that.

Mobile attack platforms, a ranger sniper team, and a beef leader with some on hand long-range fire support... Looks like I'm going to get some Eldar for a late X mas.

Is there word on the move/ sniper support? A 48- fast moving 72 inch range sniper platform could end up being a game changer, when you start dropping squadrons of five or ten.
Then you screen those with generic jetbike squads, and add in some wraths, and you have yourself some sexy looking glass cannons.

warpedpig wrote:
Basically the dumbest concept possible. Putting snipers on the back of a motorcycle essentially. No way to support the rifle. You just have to hold it. Lol. You’d never hit a damn thing. Huge difference from being in a supported shooting position. You’re not gonna be “sniping” like that.

Yeaaah, snipers shooting from fast moving platform while holding rifle can't ever happe--



Oh wait

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
We had some crazily undercoated units in the recent past, like the Kill Rig or Eradicators. So seems plausible.

The eradicators Dakka boogeyed, strawmanned and screeched about for ages, then almost no serious tournament list ever took? The same ones? Because it's funny, I recall broken FW gak (quadlas contemptor) and ugly (even for squats) attack bikes with melta were far more OP units in 9th. They weren't primaris, though, so you never saw usual trolls going apeshit about them, go figure

 warboss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

The plastic warpsmith is quite a bit worse than the one it replaces, though, and the chosen are pretty bland, so the chaos part is mostly disappointing. Also the dinobot is clearly there to up the price of the box.

What's worse? I'm not very familiar with the old ones.

This guy.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/508977195372541556/

 Irbis wrote:

warpedpig wrote:
Basically the dumbest concept possible. Putting snipers on the back of a motorcycle essentially. No way to support the rifle. You just have to hold it. Lol. You’d never hit a damn thing. Huge difference from being in a supported shooting position. You’re not gonna be “sniping” like that.

Yeaaah, snipers shooting from fast moving platform while holding rifle can't ever happe--



Oh wait

The shooter is in a stable crouch, the weapon is in a sling supported from the roof, and the helicopter is hovering, and the shooter has a whole team to spot for him.
Even with all that, there's clearly a wobble that will cause accuracy loss.

Whatever point you were trying to prove, you didn't.

We gonna do this whole argument all over again?

Humans aren’t elves. Legolas would land shots off the back of a jet bike going 300mph blindfolded. This is justification alone.

 Irbis wrote:

warpedpig wrote:
Basically the dumbest concept possible. Putting snipers on the back of a motorcycle essentially. No way to support the rifle. You just have to hold it. Lol. You’d never hit a damn thing. Huge difference from being in a supported shooting position. You’re not gonna be “sniping” like that.

Yeaaah, snipers shooting from fast moving platform while holding rifle can't ever happe--



Oh wait

As the last time you did this, what I see there is still a braced sniper shooting from a stable, hovering plattform.

So... yeah, they can't? Is this a weird way to corroborate it?


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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Humans aren’t elves. Legolas would land shots off the back of a jet bike going 300mph blindfolded. This is justification alone.

It's magic. Stupid looking magic, but magic still.

I have more of a problem with the "leaked rules" of those, if they are true, because what they are doing ain't sniping.

Eldar arent supermen. You prove my point perfectly posting a video of men in a helicopter. He has a floor to crouch on. The helicopter isnt jinking side to side. The weight of the rifle is supported. The target is also probably very far away.

Now with this dumb ranger bike, the guy has zero support. He cant crouch. He cant rest the rifle on anything. And the targets are gonna be very close, popping up for a split second, or moving. Unless the sniper is on some kind of mind altering drugs, theres no way it would work.

Don't need mind altering drugs when your senses are enhanced beyond what any human is capable of.

These aren't humans.

Okay so assuming Eldar are superhuman in ability, still doesnt make them a machine. Its silly nonsense to be sniping from a jetbike. Maybe something higher up and further back. If they were as good as you think, theyd never miss, anything. Theyd be totally OP and win every single game.

Honestly, I could see them sniping from afar, zipping about to good firing positions and then hovering for a bit to land good shots, and it would be cool if their rules supported that.

The ones shown here are just about the opposite: the snipers ignore cover when at less of 12'' of the target, IIRC.

The Rule of Cool trumps all others... even reality, sometimes.

It's a fast mover long range weapons platform, get over it and move on. Hope they get some better then average Eldar saves on this, though...

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Were the Ranger Jetbikes predicted anywhere? They are not in the OP of this thread.

Since no I would say the original leak is made up.

Everything released today for Eldar counters what was "leaked". No antenna on rangers, they aren't very harlequinesque, nothing about the Autarch nor the Ranger Bikes.

May as well close the thread,.. or just argue things like "MADE UP SPACE ELVES IN A MADE UP UNIVERSE CAN'T FIRE MADE UP SNIPER RIFLES ON THE MOVE". O_o

popisdead wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Were the Ranger Jetbikes predicted anywhere? They are not in the OP of this thread.

Since no I would say the original leak is made up.

Everything released today for Eldar counters what was "leaked". No antenna on rangers, they aren't very harlequinesque, nothing about the Autarch nor the Ranger Bikes.

May as well close the thread,.. or just argue things like "MADE UP SPACE ELVES IN A MADE UP UNIVERSE CAN'T FIRE MADE UP SNIPER RIFLES ON THE MOVE". O_o

Uh, the Ranger Jetbikes were leaked by two different sources by name....

For Proof:

popisdead wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Were the Ranger Jetbikes predicted anywhere? They are not in the OP of this thread.

Since no I would say the original leak is made up.

Everything released today for Eldar counters what was "leaked". No antenna on rangers, they aren't very harlequinesque, nothing about the Autarch nor the Ranger Bikes.

To clarify for anyone confused; what you're referring to here is this post on r/eldar Reddit in November that is now almost certainly false.

The daily advent posts in r/Eldar during December are from a different source and are very likely to be accurate.

warpedpig wrote:
Eldar arent supermen.

Did the lore change? I thought the Eldar were specifically made for war and spent every moment of their long life honing their craft and their skill on arts of war.

Hell, even some humans in real life can do amazing things.

If you've seen videos of people doing trick shots, that's humans with talent and practice getting that good.

Things like horseback archery are a thing too.

It is entirely possible to suspend your disbelief. Not sure why anyone is having any kind of serious pushback on this.

 Albertorius wrote:


Old warsmith looks cooler to me, both in pose and in it being more of an "evil techmarine" and less of a "regular chaos marine with tentacles":

Spoiler:

The Chosen poses seem to be all "come at me bro" (feet planted as far away from the other as the base allows, and that's mostly it) save for a running one, but they will blend very well with the new chaos marines... mainly by being basically the same bodies as those. The DV ones which these substitute are cooler IMO:

Spoiler:

To me they look nice, but kind of uninspired.

I prefer the new chosen as I like ornate decorated armor more than the almost mutated melded look of the starter set ones. Ymmv. I can see why you like the older warpsmith though as he feels more Iron Warrior than the more Black Legion newer one even taking away the paint schemes.

Admech already have 'snipers' riding on giant servitor-powered canids. We're not breaking new ground here anymore.

In 40k 'sniper' is a catch all for models that ignore look out sir. Doesnt necessarily mean they have to be snipers in the sense that we know from our knowledge of our military.

The label doesnt necessarily mean they have to be far away taking a single precision pot shot, it can mean they ignore look out sir because they have heightened their composure and battle-sense to the point where they are able to pick out individual targets.

Look out sir is just a means of explaining why with bodies zipping here and there and all the distractions in the heat of battle a 'non-sniper' can only reliably target a whole unit rather than an indivudual.

There's a whole section in the lore on why and how the Admech Raiders remain accurate on their canid 'steeds' its not impossible for there to be an equally expansive reason why the most accurate aspect warriors in the most advance and militarist race in the universe are able to remain accurate perched on the back of a bike.

Octovol wrote:
There's a whole section in the lore on why and how the Admech Raiders remain accurate on their canid 'steeds' its not impossible for there to be an equally expansive reason why the most accurate aspect warriors in the most advance and militarist race in the universe are able to remain accurate perched on the back of a bike.

...er, rangers aren't aspects. They're literally the craftworld eldars that noped all off of that.

Superhuman space elves with super advanced rifles and targeting aids in their helmets and rifles. I think it's easy enough to suspend disbelief.

The jetbike may even assist in some way by keeping a steady rate of acceleration as it glides across the ground and eliminating any bouncing around.

The armour of the user may be capable of going rigid and giving enough support to keep their aim from wavering.

Their hundreds of years and superhuman abilities may allow them to hold their lightweight Wraithbone Rifles and aim accurately without needing something to brace the gun on.

It's a game of myth, magic and aliens in space. Lets not get too bent out of shape about alien snipers on flying bikes

 DivineVisitor wrote:
Superhuman space elves with super advanced rifles and targeting aids in their helmets and rifles. I think it's easy enough to suspend disbelief.

I'm guessing most eldar would be insulted at being called just "superhuman".

 warboss wrote:

 DivineVisitor wrote:
Superhuman space elves with super advanced rifles and targeting aids in their helmets and rifles. I think it's easy enough to suspend disbelief.

I'm guessing most eldar would be insulted at being called just "superhuman".

Superhumanoid?

Would be better to just make a computer controlled sniping turret wouldn’t it? It’s a dumb idea.

warpedpig wrote:Would be better to just make a computer controlled sniping turret wouldn’t it? It’s a dumb idea.

If Eldar were T'au. I don't recall seeing a lot of Eldar computer technology on display. The closest we have is the Heavy Weapon platform of the Guardians, which needs a gunner.

Wearing hoodies on crotch rockets is the real idiocy. Anyone with any riding experience can tell you about how well hoodies and fast bikes marry up

So for anyone curious about the veracity of rumors, I tried to chase backwards the first person to mention "dual rider Ranger Jetbikes" which would appear to be a Reddit poster named Ok_Entrepreneur3004 who has been leaking things about Eldar for 5 months now.



I'm not going to quote everything they posted but they certainly seem to be spot on so far, and their posts are also from before Valrak or the Reddit Discord rumors. They do however also directly tell someone to wait for one of the Discord post days, so it's likely they're also partially behind that.

I did notice that there were additional things they posted that didn't get referenced in the Discord rumors:

New Guardian kit that builds both Storm and Defender Guardians, with a Serpent Shield platform for the SGs

Guardians, aspects, wraithguard/lord, windriders, rangers, shroud runners are core but not corsairs

Avatars get a "fight after death" stratagem, Phoenix Lords get a once per lord, once per game resurrection stratagem

The Corsair Killteam has options for a Ghostwalker (Ranger), Void Dreamer (Warlock), Felarch (Sergeant), and Way Seeker (???).

The Deathspinner teaser from the Advent Engine could be from the Corsair Killteam rather than Warp Spiders

Ah man I’m so glad they’re keeping the Eldar elegant and clean. I really hope the guardians get redone like this!

 GaroRobe wrote:
Hahahahaha. Our mysterious rumor bringer apparently isn't too fond of our forum:

"Having said that, there are some very toxic corners, for example dakkadakka's News and Rumours forum is a cesspit, not to speak of some of the ovetly <redacted> (past) Youtube channels and facebook groups."

Also:

I mean this forum is a pillar of salt infested by the far right. What's there to be that fond of?

 Olthannon wrote:
I think part of the problem is people just don't think GW don't have it in them to do something this good. The Eldar need this and it would be brilliant for the faction. I'd pay a delicious wad of cashino for a taste of it.

I think the smart thing to do would be to do something with a different Craftworld now that Biel-Tan is buggered.

I know not being the very best faction in the game for once is true suffering for Eldar players, but, hey, GW got you, they made drukhari near unstoppable.

And don't worry, I'm sure eldar will be even more overpowered when they finally release too.

Octovol wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Seeing how probable any of this is of actually being true, I wouldn't be too optimistic anyway ^^

I get it. GW has burned Eldar players too many times that it's hard to accept any positivity. GW surely owes a lot of people some therapy. But, I mean really? The rumour engine at the moment is showing an Eldar model EVERY DAY, they're all Eldar models! Is it really so hard to believe there's a big revamp on the way? The specifics might be a bit hazy, but the presence of hard evidence should be enough to afford us a little bit of optimism? Right? lol

I have a friend thats going to go bonkers if they actually release fully functional Corsairs, like he has an entire army of them from back in the day. Personally i'm excited for new Warp Spiders, new Scorpions and all the crazy shenanegans the new HQs seem to have floating about them. LIke most people I collected Eldar when I was still at school, most of those models are still around some 20 odd years later so for them to get a reboot is the most exciting thing to happen to 40k in a long time.

Even better if it comes with some actual supporting narrative for the rework. Itd be good to have some closure/progression on the whole Slaanesh is consuming our souls forever plotline thats literally been the only thing to define Eldar for 25 years. Vive le optimism!

Burned eldar players?

Man Craftworld eldar have been the best army in the game far more often then they've even been average.

Hell, right NOW an eldar army is the best army in the game to such a level that 3 nerf cycles haven't even dented their winrate.

I just think Eldar players are uncomfortable when they aren't casually dominating the meta.

warpedpig wrote:
Will Ghost Axes go to flat D3 damage ? Please god.

As a custodes player, I think I might lose my mind if eldar axes go to 3 damage

warpedpig wrote:
The problem is to make this 1 unit not suck balls you have to dedicate stratagems and psychic support to them. What if your psychic powers fail? What if you need to use powers for another unit? Eldar just has so many things that have to go right for their units to be on par with other factions units. 9vs 5 terminators shouldn’t last nearly 3 full turns. Maybe 5v5. But 9v5. They suck.

I mean, that's just modern 40k. A lot of units only are relevant because of strategems.

 Vovin wrote:
People complain about lots of stupid stuff. That doesn't mean that it is justified. Craftworlds are still supposed to be glasscannons, albeit less so than Drukhari and Harlequins. The lethality may be a general problem, but you can't fix it by overdoing the defensive buffs on one of the more fragile races.

But this is more of a game design discussion. My main point is that this whole "leak" reeks of wishlisting. The first half of this calendar was already fishy as hell. The hoaxer didn't account for the reaper launcher for example. I posted a timeline of the Discord chat a while back in this thread that shows how implausible the whole inception of this was. Then the hoaxer contradicted himself directly by both claiming that the leak comes from a playtester and simultaneously that it is from the reliable source who posted the roadmap.

Drukhari that is currently styling over the meta off the backs of tough -1d models.

Like, gak man, GW is literally pissing -1d down on the game (and devaluing anything damage 2 hardcore)

 Grimskul wrote:
Lol, if the rumours are true regarding Wave Serpents have both built in Transhuman and a 5++ save, I almost guarantee you that GW will not price them correctly similar to how they goofed with Raider costs for the DE initial release. We'll be seeing Wave Serpent supremacy unseen since the great days of 4th ed Eldar.

"We made raiders OP you say? Well wait til you get a load of these"

warpedpig wrote:
It’s going to be nice when the codex comes out and it is overpowered and we are just absolutely murdering everyone. Until they Tone it back down lol.

Like Eldar always are?

As someone not playing eldar, no, this is never fun to deal with for anyone but the tryhard eldar players. Even normal eldar players don't love it

 Grimskul wrote:
Lol, if the rumours are true regarding Wave Serpents have both built in Transhuman and a 5++ save, I almost guarantee you that GW will not price them correctly similar to how they goofed with Raider costs for the DE initial release. We'll be seeing Wave Serpent supremacy unseen since the great days of 4th ed Eldar.

Well, at least with Wave Serpents they have other units to be used as a baseline for points; namely Quantum Shielded Necron vehicles. Potentially. Obviously those have more wounds and can self-heal which GW over-prioritizes but I can't see Wave Serpents getting any cheaper than they are currently. I'd imagine the baseline cost wouldn't really go lower than its current 130 and if the weapon leaks are true then a few of the weapon options have the potential to go up.

stratigo wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Hahahahaha. Our mysterious rumor bringer apparently isn't too fond of our forum:

"Having said that, there are some very toxic corners, for example dakkadakka's News and Rumours forum is a cesspit, not to speak of some of the ovetly <redacted> (past) Youtube channels and facebook groups."

Also:

I mean this forum is a pillar of salt infested by the far right. What's there to be that fond of?

 Olthannon wrote:
I think part of the problem is people just don't think GW don't have it in them to do something this good. The Eldar need this and it would be brilliant for the faction. I'd pay a delicious wad of cashino for a taste of it.

I think the smart thing to do would be to do something with a different Craftworld now that Biel-Tan is buggered.

I know not being the very best faction in the game for once is true suffering for Eldar players, but, hey, GW got you, they made drukhari near unstoppable.

And don't worry, I'm sure eldar will be even more overpowered when they finally release too.

Octovol wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Seeing how probable any of this is of actually being true, I wouldn't be too optimistic anyway ^^

I get it. GW has burned Eldar players too many times that it's hard to accept any positivity. GW surely owes a lot of people some therapy. But, I mean really? The rumour engine at the moment is showing an Eldar model EVERY DAY, they're all Eldar models! Is it really so hard to believe there's a big revamp on the way? The specifics might be a bit hazy, but the presence of hard evidence should be enough to afford us a little bit of optimism? Right? lol

I have a friend thats going to go bonkers if they actually release fully functional Corsairs, like he has an entire army of them from back in the day. Personally i'm excited for new Warp Spiders, new Scorpions and all the crazy shenanegans the new HQs seem to have floating about them. LIke most people I collected Eldar when I was still at school, most of those models are still around some 20 odd years later so for them to get a reboot is the most exciting thing to happen to 40k in a long time.

Even better if it comes with some actual supporting narrative for the rework. Itd be good to have some closure/progression on the whole Slaanesh is consuming our souls forever plotline thats literally been the only thing to define Eldar for 25 years. Vive le optimism!

Burned eldar players?

Man Craftworld eldar have been the best army in the game far more often then they've even been average.

Hell, right NOW an eldar army is the best army in the game to such a level that 3 nerf cycles haven't even dented their winrate.

I just think Eldar players are uncomfortable when they aren't casually dominating the meta.

warpedpig wrote:
Will Ghost Axes go to flat D3 damage ? Please god.

As a custodes player, I think I might lose my mind if eldar axes go to 3 damage

warpedpig wrote:
The problem is to make this 1 unit not suck balls you have to dedicate stratagems and psychic support to them. What if your psychic powers fail? What if you need to use powers for another unit? Eldar just has so many things that have to go right for their units to be on par with other factions units. 9vs 5 terminators shouldn’t last nearly 3 full turns. Maybe 5v5. But 9v5. They suck.

I mean, that's just modern 40k. A lot of units only are relevant because of strategems.

 Vovin wrote:
People complain about lots of stupid stuff. That doesn't mean that it is justified. Craftworlds are still supposed to be glasscannons, albeit less so than Drukhari and Harlequins. The lethality may be a general problem, but you can't fix it by overdoing the defensive buffs on one of the more fragile races.

But this is more of a game design discussion. My main point is that this whole "leak" reeks of wishlisting. The first half of this calendar was already fishy as hell. The hoaxer didn't account for the reaper launcher for example. I posted a timeline of the Discord chat a while back in this thread that shows how implausible the whole inception of this was. Then the hoaxer contradicted himself directly by both claiming that the leak comes from a playtester and simultaneously that it is from the reliable source who posted the roadmap.

Drukhari that is currently styling over the meta off the backs of tough -1d models.

Like, gak man, GW is literally pissing -1d down on the game (and devaluing anything damage 2 hardcore)

 Grimskul wrote:
Lol, if the rumours are true regarding Wave Serpents have both built in Transhuman and a 5++ save, I almost guarantee you that GW will not price them correctly similar to how they goofed with Raider costs for the DE initial release. We'll be seeing Wave Serpent supremacy unseen since the great days of 4th ed Eldar.

"We made raiders OP you say? Well wait til you get a load of these"

warpedpig wrote:
It’s going to be nice when the codex comes out and it is overpowered and we are just absolutely murdering everyone. Until they Tone it back down lol.

Like Eldar always are?

As someone not playing eldar, no, this is never fun to deal with for anyone but the tryhard eldar players. Even normal eldar players don't love it

> Implying the frustration of the Elder fanbase comes entirely from not being always the top army, and not the fact half of their range is made out of 30 years old "fine"cast sculpts and they have gotten very little support for the past decade

Holy projection Strawman!

stratigo wrote:
Burned eldar players?

Man Craftworld eldar have been the best army in the game far more often then they've even been average.

Hell, right NOW an eldar army is the best army in the game to such a level that 3 nerf cycles haven't even dented their winrate.

I just think Eldar players are uncomfortable when they aren't casually dominating the meta.

Having 3 OP options that are spammed ad nauseam on "the meta" is not what many players (or well, at least me) want.

I want to be able to use the stuff in the codex outside the OP units and not shoot myself in the foot while doing it. I don't want to "dominate". I want to not handicap myself.

 Albertorius wrote:

stratigo wrote:
Burned eldar players?

Man Craftworld eldar have been the best army in the game far more often then they've even been average.

Hell, right NOW an eldar army is the best army in the game to such a level that 3 nerf cycles haven't even dented their winrate.

I just think Eldar players are uncomfortable when they aren't casually dominating the meta.

Having 3 OP options that are spammed ad nauseam on "the meta" is not what many players (or well, at least me) want.

I want to be able to use the stuff in the codex outside the OP units and not shoot myself in the foot while doing it. I don't want to "dominate". I want to not handicap myself.

And then there's also the fact most Craftworld infantry models are both ancient and resin.

 Jack Flask wrote:
So for anyone curious about the veracity of rumors, I tried to chase backwards the first person to mention "dual rider Ranger Jetbikes" which would appear to be a Reddit poster named Ok_Entrepreneur3004 who has been leaking things about Eldar for 5 months now.

Spoiler:

Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:The scout jetbikes have two dudes on them a bit like the harlie bikes but the back dude has a sniper rifle

There are also new scouts too
(5 months ago)

Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:Near the start of the year you'll get a chaos v eldar battle box which has all your rangers and jetbike rangers and the new combat patrol has guardians, farseer, jetbikes and a wraithlord so that's a great start too
(4 months ago)

Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:Female Autarch Rangers Ranger jetbikes Warp Smith Chosen Forgefiend

These are all in a battle box like Jain zar drahzar
(3 months ago)

Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:If I was a betting man I'd say it's a ranger holding his rifle in one arm holding the "frisby" in the other
(2 months ago)

I'm not going to quote everything they posted but they certainly seem to be spot on so far, and their posts are also from before Valrak or the Reddit Discord rumors. They do however also directly tell someone to wait for one of the Discord post days, so it's likely they're also partially behind that.

I did notice that there were additional things they posted that didn't get referenced in the Discord rumors:

New Guardian kit that builds both Storm and Defender Guardians, with a Serpent Shield platform for the SGs

Guardians, aspects, wraithguard/lord, windriders, rangers, shroud runners are core but not corsairs

Avatars get a "fight after death" stratagem, Phoenix Lords get a once per lord, once per game resurrection stratagem

The Corsair Killteam has options for a Ghostwalker (Ranger), Void Dreamer (Warlock), Felarch (Sergeant), and Way Seeker (???).

The Deathspinner teaser from the Advent Engine could be from the Corsair Killteam rather than Warp Spiders

Thanks for compiling. I still visit dakka and assumed all the rumors were copied over to dakka. I've been on that Discord and the exact models from the Eldar v Chaos boxset was leaked months ago. There has been enough data leaked from there at this point I'm comfortable enough to know what I can purchase and what models will be updated and should hold off for.

 Jack Flask wrote:
So for anyone curious about the veracity of rumors, I tried to chase backwards the first person to mention "dual rider Ranger Jetbikes" which would appear to be a Reddit poster named Ok_Entrepreneur3004 who has been leaking things about Eldar for 5 months now.

Spoiler:

Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:The scout jetbikes have two dudes on them a bit like the harlie bikes but the back dude has a sniper rifle

There are also new scouts too
(5 months ago)

Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:Near the start of the year you'll get a chaos v eldar battle box which has all your rangers and jetbike rangers and the new combat patrol has guardians, farseer, jetbikes and a wraithlord so that's a great start too
(4 months ago)

Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:Female Autarch Rangers Ranger jetbikes Warp Smith Chosen Forgefiend

[spoiler]These are all in a battle box like Jain zar drahzar
(3 months ago)

Ok_Entrepreneur3004 wrote:If I was a betting man I'd say it's a ranger holding his rifle in one arm holding the "frisby" in the other
(2 months ago)

I'm not going to quote everything they posted but they certainly seem to be spot on so far, and their posts are also from before Valrak or the Reddit Discord rumors. They do however also directly tell someone to wait for one of the Discord post days, so it's likely they're also partially behind that.

I did notice that there were additional things they posted that didn't get referenced in the Discord rumors:

New Guardian kit that builds both Storm and Defender Guardians, with a Serpent Shield platform for the SGs

Guardians, aspects, wraithguard/lord, windriders, rangers, shroud runners are core but not corsairs

Avatars get a "fight after death" stratagem, Phoenix Lords get a once per lord, once per game resurrection stratagem

The Corsair Killteam has options for a Ghostwalker (Ranger), Void Dreamer (Warlock), Felarch (Sergeant), and Way Seeker (???).

The Deathspinner teaser from the Advent Engine could be from the Corsair Killteam rather than Warp Spiders

Cheers for all that. Really hopeful for corsairs - sounds like they get their own set rather than an upgrade for guardians. Really hoping they are more flamboyant - maybe with the punk/goth hair of early eldar sculpts [and yes I know DE got them but Corsairs sit between the craft worlds and DE]. I like the sound of the specialists they have access to as well. Have a feeling they will be in the next Killteam set- GW could then spread out the releases through box sets as well as a release alongside codex and an eldar-tastic start to the year. With all these rules leaks I'm expecting the Eldar release to be close, probably before Chaos.


The rangers are gorgeous- hoping you can build then differently, initially wasn't sure about the bikes but they are well cool and the Autarch kit sounds amazing with the options and the compatability with the existing kit. Thinking the warp jump pack will be an option- possibly Yriel as the pose is similar but do they dual kit characters these days? Could be a new thing I suppose.

zamerion wrote:

This could be the Corsair kit for sure

 Jack Flask wrote:

The Deathspinner teaser from the Advent Engine could be from the Corsair Killteam rather than Warp Spiders

The deathspinner is almost certainly the 4th ranged weapon for the Autarch, its not pictured in the preview (same as the chainsword).

 bullyboy wrote:

zamerion wrote:

This could be the Corsair kit for sure

It's Rangers.

 bullyboy wrote:

zamerion wrote:

This could be the Corsair kit for sure

Yeah, fits the reddit rumour - upgraded guardians with a warlock and optional ranger. Rather happy they didn't continue the Vespid cosplayer style of the FW Corsair kit, never really liked that.

 bullyboy wrote:

zamerion wrote:

This could be the Corsair kit for sure

Yes definitely fits the description with a warlock, ranger and the other specialists. Thought it was cool when they first showed it and assumed it was rangers..

 Kanluwen wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

zamerion wrote:

This could be the Corsair kit for sure

It's Rangers.

except the vanes on the back that Rangers don't have
except that it's Kill Team art where the corsair kit is rumoured to be featured
except it's being led by someone definitely not a Ranger

maybe artistic license, maybe not

 bullyboy wrote:

except the vanes on the back that Rangers don't have

That we've seen so far, yes.

except that it's Kill Team art where the corsair kit is rumoured to be featured

Kill team art from the Kill Team Core book on pages 20 and 21. Also a promotional art card that came with Kill Team Octarius(there was a set of 5).

All of which means it was publicly available art before the rumors about Corsairs started.

except it's being led by someone definitely not a Ranger

Or it's escorting someone definitely not a Ranger...

Real-talk, there's a lot of stuff in the Core Book that's been more/less accurate. They namedropped the Chalnath warzone before any of the rumors started up about that one and talked about Pathfinder Kill Teams with "new wargear" even.

maybe artistic license, maybe not

Or it's KT upgrade stuff.

There's a whole big blurb about Mechanicus and Alaitoc fighting on a Maiden World, with Kill-Teams comprised of "rangers and aspect warriors".
There's another big ol' blurb about another world where Harlequins are dealing with a Rogue Trader's landing force led by an Inquisitor.

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

zamerion wrote:

This could be the Corsair kit for sure

Yeah, fits the reddit rumour - upgraded guardians with a warlock and optional ranger. Rather happy they didn't continue the Vespid cosplayer style of the FW Corsair kit, never really liked that.

The 'vespid cosplayer' look was taken more or less directly from Rogue Trader art.

Eldar pirate 'corsairs' were the default for eldar at the beginning, before Craftworlds OR vespid were a glimmer in anyone's eye.

Voss wrote:

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:

The 'vespid cosplayer' look was taken more or less directly from Rogue Trader art.

Eldar pirate 'corsairs' were the default for eldar at the beginning, before Craftworlds OR vespid were a glimmer in anyone's eye.

Yeah I'm an RT era kid myself (think my first Eldar were either RTB06 Harlies or the Space Crusade expansion, LOL), but that still doesn't make the FW corsairs look less like Vespid cosplayers in my eyes.

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:

Voss wrote:

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:

The 'vespid cosplayer' look was taken more or less directly from Rogue Trader art.

Eldar pirate 'corsairs' were the default for eldar at the beginning, before Craftworlds OR vespid were a glimmer in anyone's eye.

Yeah I'm an RT era kid myself (think my first Eldar were either RTB06 Harlies or the Space Crusade expansion, LOL), but that still doesn't make the FW corsairs look less like Vespid cosplayers in my eyes.

Yeah...



...





...no, I'm not seeing it. Going for that similarity, they could be "cosplaying" almost literally anything with wings. Including SoB.

fearies

Mosquito-Men

 skeleton wrote:
fearies

Underappreciated comment!

Can't say I really like the wings all that much but those heavy weapons are nice....

 skeleton wrote:
fearies

To be fair it's the first thing I thought of when I first saw Corsairs. And I like them quite a bit !

Would deal with the lack of Faery representation in AOS

 silverstu wrote:

Cheers for all that. Really hopeful for corsairs - sounds like they get their own set rather than an upgrade for guardians. Really hoping they are more flamboyant - maybe with the punk/goth hair of early eldar sculpts [and yes I know DE got them but Corsairs sit between the craft worlds and DE].

I like my Corsairs more like the guy in the top left...


I'd also like some kind of lizard or cat pet...and a pony!

I can't stop looking at the cosplayer on the upper right (#2). That's some cringetastic 80's RT art!

I mean… those are all terrible haha. Like, the worst kind of 80’s art design in a single image.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I mean… those are all terrible haha. Like, the worst kind of 80’s art design in a single image.

lol couldn't agree more, the proportions are just all completely off-kilter lol.

I

Wow, they really nailed the GW fanboy in the top right, like they could see the future.
Agree about the Corsair, the best way to describe them should be Mr Fancypants, top left is spot on.

That Navigator looks like he wandered out of Nordland...

On the other end of the 80s artwork spectrum, would be nice if they looked at these for inspiration.

Vorian wrote:


On the other end of the 80s artwork spectrum, would be nice if they looked at these for inspiration.

Yeah I'd love it if they brought more of the eldritch feel of the early eldar concepts in with the corsairs- especially their their own flavour of warlocks etc. Its going to be interesting to see how they differentiate corsairs from guardians. Also intrigued to see what the new guardians look like..


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 Jack Flask wrote:
The Corsair Killteam has options for a Ghostwalker (Ranger), Void Dreamer (Warlock), Felarch (Sergeant), and Way Seeker (???).[/list]
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Had a thought re:Way Seeker- it might be the d-weapon specialist, I think in The Path of the Outcast, the corsairs use a D-cannon to remove bulkheads in a ship so they can avoid/outflank defenders s could refer to the corsair with the wraith weapon in the rumours.

They have mentioned the new Killteam sector coming in their latest video. Hopefully later in the week they might show something, I think they are doing little reveals through the week rather than a big online reveal/event.

It just dawned on me the KT boxset may actually give us a plastic Warlock.

It would appear that almost all of the previews from the Advent Engine have been relating to the new box set

The two below I can't place though - unless they're alternative weapon options for the Autarch that we've not seen?

What do we think? Warp Spiders and Scorpions?

Weapons for the autarch. The article mentions the chainsword as an option, and also mentions a fourth ranged option, but we only see three (reaper launcher, fusion gun, shuriken pistol), so the death spinner is the obvious fourth option.

Radium wrote:
Weapons for the autarch. The article mentions the chainsword as an option, and also mentions a fourth ranged option, but we only see three (reaper launcher, fusion gun, shuriken pistol), so the death spinner is the obvious fourth option.

Yeah, and it seems to be held in the same pose as the Reaper Launcher the Autarch is holding in the promo pics.

I play both Chaos and Eldar so I was really excited for the boxset, is it only ranger + ranger bikes and the Autarch? I've never been much of a ranger player myself.

Corsair KT box sounds fantastic though!

The news guardians box excite me a whole lot less after seeing the disaster that his the ork boys kit....

 streetsamurai wrote:
The news guardians box excite me a whole lot less after seeing the disaster that his the ork boys kit....

I kinda hope that Guardians are getting a bit of a shake up in rules to allow more options. It would also give more reason to have a new plastic kit (because the current one is fine as-is, even if it's not the same awesome standard as newer kits)

If they are moving DAs and Rangers out of Troops, leaving ONLY Guardians as our Troops, I'd like to see some versatility.
Like being able to take 5-man units, or 2 platforms per 10 models, etc.

You better not get 2 platforms per 10. They stripped Skitarii out because of nonsense like that.

Yeah despite the age the guardian kit isn't too bad really - for my part I would just welcome an add on sprue that had a couple more leg variants that were more dynamic (currently we have "wide stance" and "slightly different wide stance" as the only options) and maybe some additional head/helmet, arm and weapon variants.

 streetsamurai wrote:
The news guardians box excite me a whole lot less after seeing the disaster that his the ork boys kit....

Eh. Its a little different. Guardians (currently) don't have in box options, so they really don't have anything to lose (barring insanity like a 5 man box).
The models themselves are pretty light on any details, and the sprues are underutilized at best.

If it gets redone, they'd have to put some effort in to making it worse than it currently is.

 Galef wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
The news guardians box excite me a whole lot less after seeing the disaster that his the ork boys kit....

I kinda hope that Guardians are getting a bit of a shake up in rules to allow more options. It would also give more reason to have a new plastic kit (because the current one is fine as-is, even if it's not the same awesome standard as newer kits)

If they are moving DAs and Rangers out of Troops, leaving ONLY Guardians as our Troops, I'd like to see some versatility.
Like being able to take 5-man units, or 2 platforms per 10 models, etc.

Or being able to use lasguns/blasters. That would be interesting.

Hopefully if they add Las weapons to Guardians, it's in the form of Lasblasters.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Hopefully if they add Las weapons to Guardians, it's in the form of Lasblasters.

They might want to leave them for the corsairs, though.

 Albertorius wrote:

stratigo wrote:
Burned eldar players?

Man Craftworld eldar have been the best army in the game far more often then they've even been average.

Hell, right NOW an eldar army is the best army in the game to such a level that 3 nerf cycles haven't even dented their winrate.

I just think Eldar players are uncomfortable when they aren't casually dominating the meta.

Having 3 OP options that are spammed ad nauseam on "the meta" is not what many players (or well, at least me) want.

I want to be able to use the stuff in the codex outside the OP units and not shoot myself in the foot while doing it. I don't want to "dominate". I want to not handicap myself.

If both you and your opponent have this philosophy, you'll be absolutely fine. Unless they really do drukhari the craftworlds, in which case your opponent is screwed

One of the reddit leakers provided me with the Iyanden craftworld traits:

+1 to combat attrition tests (similar to one half of the old rules)
-1 and -2 AP are reduced by 1 (similar to half of the valorous heart traits)

The Hammerhead Railgun reveal does make some of these leaks sound more realistic, as early 2022 might be when we hit the jumping the shark phase of the power creep.

EightFoldPath wrote:
The Hammerhead Railgun reveal does make some of these leaks sound more realistic, as early 2022 might be when we hit the jumping the shark phase of the power creep.

Pretty sure Tyranids already did that. Both Railgun and Craftworlds look fairly tame compared to those recent releases, lol.

Its been quite a few years since tyranid releases...

It's been a decade since the Hammerhead has been released too.

Anyone know the Saim Hann traits?

Sunny Side Up wrote:

EightFoldPath wrote:
The Hammerhead Railgun reveal does make some of these leaks sound more realistic, as early 2022 might be when we hit the jumping the shark phase of the power creep.

Pretty sure Tyranids already did that. Both Railgun and Craftworlds look fairly tame compared to those recent releases, lol.

A 5++ on everything and -1 Damage on Monsters?

That's... Quite useful, but considering the restrictions, unlikely to prop the 'Dex up much.

I’d like to know what the starcannon is going to be like because it seems like the Shuriken cannons changes make it almost obsolete. If the star cannon turns into a weapon with flat three damage that would be pretty nasty.

Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

Voss wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

For whatever reason, GW really doesn't like most xenos race equivalents for plasma being actually strong compared to Imperials. You get "safe" baby versions that you don't have the ubiquity or utility of Imperial grade weaponry for some reason despite being more advanced in tech.

 Grimskul wrote:

Voss wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

For whatever reason, GW really doesn't like most xenos race equivalents for plasma being actually strong compared to Imperials. You get "safe" baby versions that you don't have the ubiquity or utility of Imperial grade weaponry for some reason despite being more advanced in tech.

It isn't even that. Its just that with the sheer abundance of weaponry in that weight class, its easy to look at a starcannon (once one of the most feared weapons in the game) and simply... shrug. It doesn't really stand out compared to anything. Its just part of a long, long list, and I'm not sure it even clears the top 20.

The warp spider guns are also underwhelming. For something that is supposed to envelop the target in a web of mono molecular thin razor sharp filaments that shred through anything. It doesn’t really reflect that in the rules. I’d settle for something exotic like 1 shot. If you hit and infantry model 2-5 causes a mortal wound. 6 is instant death. Would be awesome.

 Grimskul wrote:

Voss wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

For whatever reason, GW really doesn't like most xenos race equivalents for plasma being actually strong compared to Imperials. You get "safe" baby versions that you don't have the ubiquity or utility of Imperial grade weaponry for some reason despite being more advanced in tech.

I've noticed that as well, it appears only Imperial plasma gets to be the most potent. I'm hopeful they don't make Imperial melta the best as well, otherwise my Fire Dragons will continue to be a disappointment.

Voss wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Voss wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

For whatever reason, GW really doesn't like most xenos race equivalents for plasma being actually strong compared to Imperials. You get "safe" baby versions that you don't have the ubiquity or utility of Imperial grade weaponry for some reason despite being more advanced in tech.

It isn't even that. Its just that with the sheer abundance of weaponry in that weight class, its easy to look at a starcannon (once one of the most feared weapons in the game) and simply... shrug. It doesn't really stand out compared to anything. Its just part of a long, long list, and I'm not sure it even clears the top 20.

Increasingly everything important has minus 1 damage, rendering damage 2 an active detriment to your list because you are now paying for a damage stat you can't actually use.

stratigo wrote:


Increasingly everything important has minus 1 damage, rendering damage 2 an active detriment to your list because you are now paying for a damage stat you can't actually use.

Minus you know, marine infantry, which make up the basis of say 70% of the armies out there.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

stratigo wrote:


Increasingly everything important has minus 1 damage, rendering damage 2 an active detriment to your list because you are now paying for a damage stat you can't actually use.

Minus you know, marine infantry, which make up the basis of say 70% of the armies out there.

Marine infantry isn't even the basis of marine armies these days.

warpedpig wrote:
The warp spider guns are also underwhelming. For something that is supposed to envelop the target in a web of mono molecular thin razor sharp filaments that shred through anything. It doesn’t really reflect that in the rules. I’d settle for something exotic like 1 shot. If you hit and infantry model 2-5 causes a mortal wound. 6 is instant death. Would be awesome.

I could see something like Alarielle's spear in AoS; You hit and wound dead easy, but every unsaved wound you roll a D6 and on a 6 the target is slain. On anything other than a 6 the wound is negated. If you gave the gun 12" range D3 auto hits that should be some good numbers to work with without being too oppresive.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Voss wrote:

Twilight Pathways wrote:
Starcannons are apparently 2 shots, S7, AP -3, 2 damage.

It really bothers me that I'm unimpressed by that.

For whatever reason, GW really doesn't like most xenos race equivalents for plasma being actually strong compared to Imperials. You get "safe" baby versions that you don't have the ubiquity or utility of Imperial grade weaponry for some reason despite being more advanced in tech.

I've noticed that as well, it appears only Imperial plasma gets to be the most potent. I'm hopeful they don't make Imperial melta the best as well, otherwise my Fire Dragons will continue to be a disappointment.

Making fire dragons a non-suicide squad is going to be a real challenge. One I don't think GW is up for.

Well, they have max range melta and can run after firing. Seems pretty solid to me.

If folks are expecting a unit to guarantee survive after nuking stuff way more expensive then the unit doing the killing I think they might need to reconsider things a bit lol

Need to have something for fire dragons like soaring sprites where they can do melta gun drive bys from the back of a transport like a starweaver. I would’ve been happier having fire dragons on the back of jetbikes for running around and zapping tanks and hard targets with meltaguns. Instead we get stupid scatter lasers and sniper rifles. It’s gonna be useless. They will die fast.

Fire Dragons riding on the back of Jetbikes? Man that would be a lot of fun, and make a bit more sense than drive by sniping hahaha

I would be happy if Fire Dragon's had a role besides storming out of a wave serpent but we shall see what comes.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Fire Dragons riding on the back of Jetbikes? Man that would be a lot of fun, and make a bit more sense than drive by sniping hahaha

I would be happy if Fire Dragon's had a role besides storming out of a wave serpent but we shall see what comes.

Dying is their second role.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I love these Rangers and holding back from starting an Aeldari Kill-team is going to be a real challenge.

This. I've been waiting for new rangers since DoW2 and these turned out really nice.

I am still waiting for Vypers with D cannons and Vibrocannons. Would be fun

 Albertorius wrote:
Dying is their second role.

Exalted

 Albertorius wrote:

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Fire Dragons riding on the back of Jetbikes? Man that would be a lot of fun, and make a bit more sense than drive by sniping hahaha

I would be happy if Fire Dragon's had a role besides storming out of a wave serpent but we shall see what comes.

Dying is their second role.

Maybe a built-in fire on death then

Do any of the eldar leaks have Ra in them?

 GaroRobe wrote:
Do any of the eldar leaks have Ra in them?

I don't think so, no.

New! Plastic! Aeldari Guardians! - WarCom

The new kit includes options to make either a squad of Guardian Defenders (including a heavy weapon platform) or a squad of Storm Guardians, with a new addition for the latter – a Serpent’s Scale Platform. The latter deflects incoming fire, allowing your squad to stroll nonchalantly across the battlefield before slicing their way through the younger races of the galaxy.

New Storm Guardians & Guardian Defenders combo kit, including a new defensive platform for Storm Guardians and loads of bare heads. Weeping sweet tears of Isha erm joy.

Also, poor Ork players with their monopose & optionless new Boyz kit

Excellent. I’m so happy Guardians were redone, and basically the same design, which was already great.

Edit: also Path of the Preview is gonna be weekly which is great news.

They look great. Even the helmetless heads look good.

Eldar getting actual big release. These are truly dark times.

Nice to see sticky out, not plastered to their head pointy ears!

It's the most beautiful thing i've seen.

I still expect their Combat Patrol to contain Dire Avengers, Vypers and War Walkers.

beast_gts wrote:
New! Plastic! Aeldari Guardians! - WarCom


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Nice! I like the nod to the original epic wave serpent design on the Serpent Scale Shield. Looks like a nice and sharp kit with plenty of options- liking most of the bare heads too. Could make a cool killteam with this kit, it looks basically like the existing guardians but in hi-def with lots of options.
Path of the Preview as well to reveal more every week- they really are going to town on Eldar which is great to see. Looking forward to seeing how the Corsairs turn out, hoping there's a good bit of cross compatibility across the range too which could eb a modellers delight. Very excited again about eldar- haven't felt this way about them in an age!


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still expect their Combat Patrol to contain Dire Avengers, Vypers and War Walkers.

Going to be these guardians, existing farseer, bikes and wraith lord apparently..

Those are lovely. And hopefully can be used to kitbash with the 40 odd old ones i have on sprues!

Video confirms 11 models. 10 Guardians, 1 Grav platform.

Needs more Chainswords

 stahly wrote:


Also, poor Ork players with their monopose & optionless new Boyz kit

Aren't these also monopose?

Very nice looking kit I guess this means new Dire Avengers on the horizon as well?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 stahly wrote:

Spoiler:

Also, poor Ork players with their monopose & optionless new Boyz kit

Aren't these also monopose?

They don’t look it, and definitely not in the way the Ork kit is, considering this has two squad options and the Ork one doesn’t even make 1 squad of the same loadout.

Because I think peeps may have missed it due to staring at the pretties?

2022 is going to be a big year for the Aeldari with the release of the Eldritch Omens boxed set, but that’s just the start! There’ll be a weekly series of articles – the Path of the Preview – where we reveal even more new Aeldari. So join us again next Monday for another big reveal, and sign up for our newsletter to ensure you don’t miss any announcements.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Very nice looking kit I guess this means new Dire Avengers on the horizon as well?

Would be nice, but the Dire Avengers are a fair bit newer than the Guardian kit, and I’d rather they plasticised all the other Aspect Warriors before redoing the DA.

I’ve already got 30 defenders, but it looks like some storms are going to join them on the shelf.

I like how they are keeping the same aesthetics so far. Eldar look awesome, they just need new plastics. Glad we are getting them like this.

I just hope we'll have enough to outfit everyone with either loadout.

The rumored corsairs for KT, will they use these bodies with an additional sprue? or will they be something totally different?

This is everything I hoped for in a new Guardian box! They look amazing, and I can't wait to see more.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I just hope we'll have enough to outfit everyone with either loadout.

The accompanying text states that you can build a full squad of either Defenders or Storm guardians so I guess we should be ok.

 silverstu wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I just hope we'll have enough to outfit everyone with either loadout.

The accompanying text states that you can build a full squad of either Defenders or Storm guardians so I guess we should be ok.

I was gonna reply the same thing but I guess they mean powerswords or Chainswords, which is a bit less of a given.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 stahly wrote:

Spoiler:

Also, poor Ork players with their monopose & optionless new Boyz kit

Aren't these also monopose?

They don’t look it, and definitely not in the way the Ork kit is, considering this has two squad options and the Ork one doesn’t even make 1 squad of the same loadout.

Yes, these are monopose. It looks like it is arm swaps.


We'll likely never know why the Ork Boyz set is the way it is.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 stahly wrote:

Spoiler:

Also, poor Ork players with their monopose & optionless new Boyz kit

Aren't these also monopose?

They don’t look it, and definitely not in the way the Ork kit is, considering this has two squad options and the Ork one doesn’t even make 1 squad of the same loadout.

Yes, these are monopose. It looks like it is arm swaps.

Spoiler:

We'll likely never know why the Ork Boyz set is the way it is.

Arm and head swaps are good enough, having full multipose would be very difficult with the design of their body armour.

So with confirmation of the serpent platform, anyone willing to stand their ground on the totally fake rumours yet?

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 stahly wrote:

Spoiler:

Also, poor Ork players with their monopose & optionless new Boyz kit

Aren't these also monopose?

They don’t look it, and definitely not in the way the Ork kit is, considering this has two squad options and the Ork one doesn’t even make 1 squad of the same loadout.

I was under the impression that monopose meant they're limited to specific combinations of parts and locked into a specific pose without any flexability - arms go with specific bodies etc? I've seen the Necromunda kits called monopose even though they have head and an alternate weapon option for each pose, so if it's the same here with 1 set of poses but with a choice of arms for either unit, is that not still monopose?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 stahly wrote:

Spoiler:

Also, poor Ork players with their monopose & optionless new Boyz kit

Aren't these also monopose?

They don’t look it, and definitely not in the way the Ork kit is, considering this has two squad options and the Ork one doesn’t even make 1 squad of the same loadout.

Yes, these are monopose. It looks like it is arm swaps.

Spoiler:

We'll likely never know why the Ork Boyz set is the way it is.

Arm and head swaps as long as they’re flat/ball joints, which there’s no reason they shouldn’t be from the design, isn’t really monopose anymore. If you can change the head, head direction and arms between any of the models, that’s all you really need.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Would be nice, but the Dire Avengers are a fair bit newer than the Guardian kit, and I’d rather they plasticised all the other Aspect Warriors before redoing the DA.

Just checked out the DA on the GW webstore, and I had completely forgotten that they had a dedicated plastic kit Its been so long since I touched Eldar that I thought they still had the Guardian based conversion set

The choice of armored belly buttons for the female guardians is a bit odd.

This new Eldar roll out is starting to feel like that time when Steve Jobs introduced the iPhone...

"An Eldar Avatar with multiple weapon options."

"Please GW...this is too much! You have to stop!"

"A Combat Patrol box with Howling Banshees."

"This is wrong! Its not natural!"

"New Eldar Warlock conclaive with new, updated rules."

"WITCHCRAFT!"

chaos0xomega wrote:
The choice of armored belly buttons for the female guardians is a bit odd.

I think it's a design reference to the other female Eldar models (i.e.: banshees).

The devil is in the details, and sprue arrangement will be the main factor on whether these are a good kit or not. So far though, they already look real nice !

As long as they have enough bits for everyone to have either loadout, and hopefully balljointed heads so any can go on any body, it should be great.

It seems, the Guardians are like the Rangers on 28 mm bases now.

Dudeface wrote:
So with confirmation of the serpent platform, anyone willing to stand their ground on the totally fake rumours yet?

Which ones? The rumors on the front page say:

"There are new Guardian models, running with elongated back antennas and flowing clothes. Plethora of options: different sleeker rifles, dual pistols in the same style, chainswords. Leader has coat."

And, well, I'm not seeing a leader with a coat, nor am I seeing "different sleeker rifes" or a "dual pistols in the same style", nor are the back antennas what I would describe as elongated, certainly not with flowing clothes... but I suppose they are running and and there are some chainswords?

Front page also says "New Rangers: harlequinesque hoods, close combat weapons in addition to rifles, elongated antennas" and thats a pretty solid miss too IMO. From the Eldritch Omens preview - No antennas to speak of, no ccws, they have hoods but they aren't really harlequinesque and certainly no different than the hoods that the old rangers minis already had?

Slightly different image from social media showing a different heavy weapon and spotter:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
So with confirmation of the serpent platform, anyone willing to stand their ground on the totally fake rumours yet?

Which ones? The rumors on the front page say:

"There are new Guardian models, running with elongated back antennas and flowing clothes. Plethora of options: different sleeker rifles, dual pistols in the same style, chainswords. Leader has coat."

And, well, I'm not seeing a leader with a coat, nor am I seeing "different sleeker rifes" or a "dual pistols in the same style", nor are the back antennas what I would describe as elongated, certainly not with flowing clothes... but I suppose they are running and and there are some chainswords?

Front page also says "New Rangers: harlequinesque hoods, close combat weapons in addition to rifles, elongated antennas" and thats a pretty solid miss too IMO. From the Eldritch Omens preview - No antennas to speak of, no ccws, they have hoods but they aren't really harlequinesque and certainly no different than the hoods that the old rangers minis already had?

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

 Vovin wrote:
It seems, the Guardians are like the Rangers on 28 mm bases now.

And doing such unnatural looking splits that it must have been explicitly stated in the design brief to pose them so they wouldn't fit on 25mm

Dudeface wrote:

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

If I put together a summary of the advent rumours does anyone agree it's worth a new thread? At this point it's basically certain that the original rumours in the OP are made up.

Mostly they look very nice.

Mostly dreading the prices.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Vovin wrote:
It seems, the Guardians are like the Rangers on 28 mm bases now.

And doing such unnatural looking splits that it must have been explicitly stated in the design brief to pose them so they wouldn't fit on 25mm

Which would be irrelevant, as 40K RAW has no rules about what base you can and cannot use in your games. Tournament houserules notwithstanding, if you wanted to base yours on 80mm squared bases, knock yourself out.

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

If I put together a summary of the advent rumours does anyone agree it's worth a new thread? At this point it's basically certain that the original rumours in the OP are made up.

I think it might be worthwhile, there's a pdf summary the guys on the eldar reddit put together. I'll try and get a link.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/roeosc/compilation_of_all_the_eldar_leaks_warcom_info_my/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Wow they look beautiful.

I couldn't ask for more.

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

If I put together a summary of the advent rumours does anyone agree it's worth a new thread? At this point it's basically certain that the original rumours in the OP are made up.

I think it might be worthwhile, there's a pdf summary the guys on the eldar reddit put together. I'll try and get a link.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/roeosc/compilation_of_all_the_eldar_leaks_warcom_info_my/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Lack of dire avengers troops would certainly be a loss from a fluff perspective if you wanna theme a strike force as not resorting to militia.

Plus why even take basic gunmen as elites when you could use your limited elite slots for something more interesting?

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Vovin wrote:
It seems, the Guardians are like the Rangers on 28 mm bases now.

And doing such unnatural looking splits that it must have been explicitly stated in the design brief to pose them so they wouldn't fit on 25mm

Which would be irrelevant, as 40K RAW has no rules about what base you can and cannot use in your games. Tournament houserules notwithstanding, if you wanted to base yours on 80mm squared bases, knock yourself out.

Considering GW's insistence on making 40k a tournament game I am actually surprised they haven't put up a base sizing guide like the one they did for AoS.

changemod wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

If I put together a summary of the advent rumours does anyone agree it's worth a new thread? At this point it's basically certain that the original rumours in the OP are made up.

I think it might be worthwhile, there's a pdf summary the guys on the eldar reddit put together. I'll try and get a link.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/roeosc/compilation_of_all_the_eldar_leaks_warcom_info_my/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Lack of dire avengers troops would certainly be a loss from a fluff perspective if you wanna theme a strike force as not resorting to militia.

Plus why even take basic gunmen as elites when you could use your limited elite slots for something more interesting?

They're better than the basic troops by most measures though, but even then a battalion is 6 elites and you can always forego some cp and take elites based detachments (Vanguard?).

Ok, all caught up on rumors, I'd say the discord/reddit rumors are probably true based on how accurate they've been thus far. Its unfortunate because I hate the idea of Harlequins, Ynnari and Corsairs all sharing a codex with the Craftworlds, especially since it sounds like Corsairs are being super-heavily watered down vs their forgeworld incarnation from 7th (where IMO they were really cool and unique). Also not a fan of losing Dire Avengers as troops.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The choice of armored belly buttons for the female guardians is a bit odd.

Damn, now I can't look at anything else...

 Eldarsif wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Vovin wrote:
It seems, the Guardians are like the Rangers on 28 mm bases now.

And doing such unnatural looking splits that it must have been explicitly stated in the design brief to pose them so they wouldn't fit on 25mm

Which would be irrelevant, as 40K RAW has no rules about what base you can and cannot use in your games. Tournament houserules notwithstanding, if you wanted to base yours on 80mm squared bases, knock yourself out.

Considering GW's insistence on making 40k a tournament game I am actually surprised they haven't put up a base sizing guide like the one they did for AoS.

Yeah, it somewhat boggles my mind that they haven't felt the need to issue basing guidance for 40k but did for Age of Sigmar. I guess to some extent they had to for AoS since they transitioned so many models from squares to rounds, but the impact on gameplay that changes to basing can have in 40k is pretty big, especially on minis that have aura abilities.

Dudeface wrote:

changemod wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

There was part of the advent rumours stating they'd get a form of transhuman and an invuln, there was a separate poster on reddit confirming it was due to a form of serpent shield. The rumours on page 1 aren't what the last 20 pages have covered at all.

If I put together a summary of the advent rumours does anyone agree it's worth a new thread? At this point it's basically certain that the original rumours in the OP are made up.

I think it might be worthwhile, there's a pdf summary the guys on the eldar reddit put together. I'll try and get a link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldar/comments/roeosc/compilation_of_all_the_eldar_leaks_warcom_info_my/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Lack of dire avengers troops would certainly be a loss from a fluff perspective if you wanna theme a strike force as not resorting to militia.
Plus why even take basic gunmen as elites when you could use your limited elite slots for something more interesting?

They're better than the basic troops by most measures though, but even then a battalion is 6 elites and you can always forego some cp and take elites based detachments (Vanguard?).

"Rule of 3" caps you at only 3 units of Dire Avengers in a 2000 pt list though, regardless of how many elite slots you can get in a detachment. That should be enough for most though, I don't think I've encountered someone who fielded more than 2-3 squads of DA in their lists (myself including, and I owned 4 full units prior to selling my army in 7th edition, but never managed to field them all at once).


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 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The choice of armored belly buttons for the female guardians is a bit odd.

Damn, now I can't look at anything else...

heh, navel gazing

They stole my idea for the mobile shield platform. They should just hire me.

Yeah these look okay, pretty decent.

 dan2026 wrote:
Wow they look beautiful.

I couldn't ask for more.

I could have. Was hoping for a weapon swap option (ie, not shurcats, for a decent long range weapon).

But... all things considered, getting the storm guardians as part of the kit, with relatively complete weapon options... shan't complain.

It looks like a reasonable update, possibly good depending on price (and rules. Maybe the mini-wave serpent will keep them from being a 'put unit down, pick up casualties' unit)


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I am VERY glad to see a finecast upgrade sprue go away. Gives me hope for other things.

Hmm, I thought I was rather safe from lusting over new Eldar, but damn if that kit doesn't make me covet it. Very nice, maybe just get a kit for painting, it's not like I'm gonna do a whole army...

Love how the shield platform look like the old 2nd ed Epic Wave Serpent btw. Nice touch.

I was on the verge to collect Eldar before the reveal, but now I'm certain.

Beautiful models. Even the faces. And THAT is saying something for GW.

Great to see CC variant in plastic, would be nice to see a tad more spice to the design, but I guess that's what Corsair upgrades could fill. Please show me the new Swooping Hawks next time around.

a_typical_hero wrote:
I was on the verge to collect Eldar before the reveal, but now I'm certain.

Beautiful models. Even the faces. And THAT is saying something for GW.

Given that I would buy at least two battle boxes for just the CSM I am heavily contemplating keeping the Eldar...I hate myself sometimes.

For what it's worth, the way they shaded the area where the antennas are connected to the back makes me feel like the antennas are moulded to the bodies, and not separate like the current ones.

Might make things a bit more difficult for those that want to kitbash Guardians to make Dire Avengers with modern proportions.

Eldritch Omens previews left me cold but now I am super excited. I used to play Ulthwe back in the day and while Guardian models weren't too bad, these are so good that I'm considering hitting the reset button and building a new army from scratch.

Currently the only Eldar army I could consider building is Iyanden because that can be done neatly with relatively new models. New Guardians open other possibilities.

I'm so upset! Now that Eldar are finally getting most of their kits in plastic I don't know what I'll compain about online! Damn you GW, Damn you all to hell! /s

I'm really excited by these. Well, not JUST these, but the rangers and other models too, all the extra options and Storm Guardian bits are excellent and open up conversions for the other kits. Looks like enough is finally going to be in plastic that I can remake that Eldar army I've promised myself since 4th ed. Army was stolen in 3rd and I planned to wait for them to be redone in plastic, been a long road. Sounds like we'll still be missing a few Aspect kits, but the majority of the army has finally been done in modern plastics.

 Kalamadea wrote:
I'm so upset! Now that Eldar are finally getting most of their kits in plastic I don't know what I'll compain about online! Damn you GW, Damn you all to hell! /s

We live in a period of new Eldar models, but there is no Alatioc disruption table and Swooping Hawk Exarch will never again score 10+ hits with his power sword. MADDENING INJUSTICE! :stress:

Love them. Urge to collect the Biel-tan army I've always wanted to do is rising. This is going to be an expensive year.

You still can get the old Guardian Squad, in contrast to the Rangers, so it seems like this particular relase still has a bit to go. I'm betting it's also going to be in the obviously incoming Combat Patrol box, perhaps together with the new Exarch.

Wraithknight with alternate bits would be pretty cool.

JWBS wrote:
Wraithknight with alternate bits would be pretty cool.

That's incredibly doubtful. The WK is still a relatively new kit and doesn't have the same design issues that other, older kits have.
What I'd prefer is for the WK to have different opinions in-game.
Like being able to take a HWC AND the Sheild. Or a HWC and Suncannon, or Suncannon & Sword.
Ya know, the same versatility as the Imperial Knights.

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Yeah but the WK has just one model whereas the IK and the CK have like a dozen different sku (and the CK is still very new compared to the WK, and also lacks the Imperium privilege that the IK gets). I don't think the WK will get new stuff, I think the Avatar will be the big release and would be surprised if there is another. Would still be cool though.

makes you wonder why the Eldar don't just strap a serpent scale onto everything...

Seems that Eldar platforms only have one controller now.

Any price leaks?

 privateer4hire wrote:
Any price leaks?

Not yet, especially considering these are 2-3 months out.

Between likely rumours and GW info, so far we're looking at:

Avatar
Autarch
Phoenix Lord: Baharroth
Phoenix Lord: Maugan Ra
Guardians / Corsairs (likely two separate boxes but with shared sprues for the bodies)
Shining Spears
Swooping Hawks
Warp Spiders
Rangers
Shroud Runners

That's 7+ main kits and 3 small character models. With Maugan Ra all-but-confirmed I'd be surprised not to see new Dark Reapers; and we will likely get other characters. Phoenix Lords such as Asurmen or a new warp spider one are obvious choices.

In terms of new sprues, this is looking at least on par with last year's Orks and could well be the biggest single-faction 40k release since the start of the edition.