I'm not even going to bother to try and secure a copy of this it will be gone instantly GW have killed any hope and interest I had in this edition with this new constant limited box release. They sell out instantly and all it does is make people angry and want to quit the hobby. Putting over 70 exclusive models into a limited box run is absolute madness. 40k died for me when they announced this. They dont care about their customers just price gouging and generating massive hype for things that sell out in five minutes. A disgrace.
There seems to be a lot of misinformation about the nature of the box. It's not limited edition in the same sense as their other limited edition boxes and books and this was covered on the stream on Saturday. It's just not going to be a set you can buy for the whole edition's life, like the current Dark Imperium box. There's no way GW will not have enough of these boxes available to get them through at least until Christmas. I suspect they'll last even longer than that.
Icegoat wrote: I'm not even going to bother to try and secure a copy of this it will be gone instantly GW have killed any hope and interest I had in this edition with this new constant limited box release. They sell out instantly and all it does is make people angry and want to quit the hobby. Putting over 70 exclusive models into a limited box run is absolute madness. 40k died for me when they announced this. They dont care about their customers just price gouging and generating massive hype for things that sell out in five minutes. A disgrace.
... you know that the box isn't limited? As in, it will be stocked in pretty much every GW, FLGS, and webstore in time? It's like Dark Imperium - which hasn't run out.
There isn't a single factual point in all of that.
But hey, if it stops you complaining, by all means, let 40k die for you. I'll still be around.
Icegoat wrote: I'm not even going to bother to try and secure a copy of this it will be gone instantly GW have killed any hope and interest I had in this edition with this new constant limited box release. They sell out instantly and all it does is make people angry and want to quit the hobby. Putting over 70 exclusive models into a limited box run is absolute madness. 40k died for me when they announced this. They dont care about their customers just price gouging and generating massive hype for things that sell out in five minutes. A disgrace.
The models aren't exclusive. They'll be available in various other places, just not with as big a discount.
I can gurantee this wont be in flagships and if you think these models will be available this year outside this box set you are going to be very disappointed. Look at every limited box run Gw has produced they've sold out within minutes apart from that trash elder box. This will sell out immediately. Mark my words.
Icegoat wrote: I can gurantee this wont be in flagships and if you think these models will be available this year outside this box set you are going to be very disappointed. Look at every limited box run Gw has produced they've sold out within minutes apart from that trash elder box. This will sell out immediately. Mark my words.
Comen Icegoat... i almost quit 40k when i saw the new primaris powerwheels gocart, but hang in there, i think this edition will actually be quite good. Unless if you like being a static gunline player, well... good riddance.
The models aren't exclusive. They'll be available in various other places, just not with as big a discount.
Do we know this? Obviously many of them will be available eventually (especially the Primaris stuff), but several YEARS later, there are still items like the NBB that are only available inside Dark Imperium, or via eBay, bits sellers, etc.
For all intents and purposes the contents are exclusive to this box for at least the rest of 2020 and into 2021. The aos box heroes from the past two years say hello. People clearly have to much faith in GW I'm going to enjoy the rage when this sells out by 10.05 the day it goes live.
You are painfully negative. Why are you still putting yourself through the torment of still being involved in 40K?
I mean, your very first post on here was whinging about how neglected Necrons are. Now they're the big bad of the new edition and are bundled in the starter set with some great new models - but you've not said anything positive about that, just gone straight to whinging about how there's no point even trying to buy the starter set.
Icegoat wrote: I can gurantee this wont be in flagships and if you think these models will be available this year outside this box set you are going to be very disappointed.
Not as disappointed as you'll be when every word of this is proven wrong.
This will be exactly like Dark Imperium. If you're seeing places stocking DI, you'll see them stocking this in it's place the moment it becomes available.
Look at every limited box run Gw has produced they've sold out within minutes apart from that trash elder box. This will sell out immediately. Mark my words.
This isn't a limited run box. Where on EARTH are you getting that delusion from?
This is the new core box. It will be stocked for at least several years.
But hey, you seem like the kind of person who ignores facts if only to justify complaining - in which case, just hurry up and leave already. It'll do you good.
The models aren't exclusive. They'll be available in various other places, just not with as big a discount.
Do we know this? Obviously many of them will be available eventually (especially the Primaris stuff), but several YEARS later, there are still items like the NBB that are only available inside Dark Imperium, or via eBay, bits sellers, etc.
I'd be willing to guess that some of the character sculpts will be unique to this box, but all the unit sculpts will see their own box kits. Necron Warriors definitely will, as will things like the Skorpehk units.
But, more to the point, this box set won't be exclusive.
Icegoat wrote: I can gurantee this wont be in flagships and if you think these models will be available this year outside this box set you are going to be very disappointed.
Not as disappointed as you'll be when every word of this is proven wrong.
This will be exactly like Dark Imperium. If you're seeing places stocking DI, you'll see them stocking this in it's place the moment it becomes available.
Look at every limited box run Gw has produced they've sold out within minutes apart from that trash elder box. This will sell out immediately. Mark my words.
This isn't a limited run box. Where on EARTH are you getting that delusion from?
This is the new core box. It will be stocked for at least several years.
But hey, you seem like the kind of person who ignores facts if only to justify complaining - in which case, just hurry up and leave already. It'll do you good.
You simply do not want to miss out on this amazing set, so it’s important to mention that, as it’s a special launch box to celebrate the new edition, it won’t be around forever.
Gw disagrees with you.
However difference in actual starter set(this misses some typical starter stuff like measure tape) is likely rulebook. Rather than limited ed special hardcover less special one, no special dice etc. So models will be available in starter set later.
Icegoat wrote: I'm not even going to bother to try and secure a copy of this it will be gone instantly GW have killed any hope and interest I had in this edition with this new constant limited box release. They sell out instantly and all it does is make people angry and want to quit the hobby. Putting over 70 exclusive models into a limited box run is absolute madness. 40k died for me when they announced this. They dont care about their customers just price gouging and generating massive hype for things that sell out in five minutes. A disgrace.
... you know that the box isn't limited? As in, it will be stocked in pretty much every GW, FLGS, and webstore in time? It's like Dark Imperium - which hasn't run out.
There isn't a single factual point in all of that.
But hey, if it stops you complaining, by all means, let 40k die for you. I'll still be around.
Icegoat wrote: I can gurantee this wont be in flagships and if you think these models will be available this year outside this box set you are going to be very disappointed.
Not as disappointed as you'll be when every word of this is proven wrong.
This will be exactly like Dark Imperium. If you're seeing places stocking DI, you'll see them stocking this in it's place the moment it becomes available.
Look at every limited box run Gw has produced they've sold out within minutes apart from that trash elder box. This will sell out immediately. Mark my words.
This isn't a limited run box. Where on EARTH are you getting that delusion from?
This is the new core box. It will be stocked for at least several years.
But hey, you seem like the kind of person who ignores facts if only to justify complaining - in which case, just hurry up and leave already. It'll do you good.
The models aren't exclusive. They'll be available in various other places, just not with as big a discount.
Do we know this? Obviously many of them will be available eventually (especially the Primaris stuff), but several YEARS later, there are still items like the NBB that are only available inside Dark Imperium, or via eBay, bits sellers, etc.
I'd be willing to guess that some of the character sculpts will be unique to this box, but all the unit sculpts will see their own box kits. Necron Warriors definitely will, as will things like the Skorpehk units.
But, more to the point, this box set won't be exclusive.
GW explicitly and specifically stated on stream that this is a limited time only box that WILL NOT be around for the life of the edition the way Dark Imperium is/was
BUT
GW was pretty clear in saying that the box set had one of the single largest print runs they have ever done for any product ever and that they've printed several times more copies of it than they have for any previous limited release item, and they expect that the box set will be on the shelves for at least a few months before its completely gone.
Yeah, the box is a Limited Edition, similar to the SoB box. It has a LEBRB inside, too.
You'll be able to buy the models as full kits for sure - timing is the question, just like with the SoB box.
The one thing I think will be different for sure is that there will be a regular edition of the BRB for sale right away.
The good thing you can take away from this is that it's very likely that there will be another box later on, the actual starter box that's meant to replace Dark Imperium.
The bad thing is how much GW underestimated demand for the Sisters box.
Icegoat wrote: I can gurantee this wont be in flagships and if you think these models will be available this year outside this box set you are going to be very disappointed. Look at every limited box run Gw has produced they've sold out within minutes apart from that trash elder box. This will sell out immediately. Mark my words.
We are all doomed, and GW is somehow responsible. Mark my words.
In the Stream I think they stated that anyone who wants one can get one, even if they have to print more. However, they also stated that it would not be indefinite - thus it might only be available for 6-8 weeks. So long as you get your order in the first few weeks you should be fine; if you don't then, I guess it's too expensive or your not that interested.
You simply do not want to miss out on this amazing set, so it’s important to mention that, as it’s a special launch box to celebrate the new edition, it won’t be around forever.
Gw disagrees with you.
However difference in actual starter set(this misses some typical starter stuff like measure tape) is likely rulebook. Rather than limited ed special hardcover less special one, no special dice etc. So models will be available in starter set later.
chaos0xomega wrote:GW explicitly and specifically stated on stream that this is a limited time only box that WILL NOT be around for the life of the edition the way Dark Imperium is/was
Ah - in which case, I hold my hands up, I was mistaken. My apologies, however, I still feel that OP's reaction is incredibly disproportionate for many reasons.
I don't think it'll sell out as quickly as some people are saying. I think there should be enough to go around - and, as I assume Icegoat is a Necron player, there seems to be rather a lot of Space Marine players looking to split the box out there. If anything, it's a great opportunity for Necron players, as there'll be a surplus of Marine players wanting to sell off Necrons they don't want.
BUT
GW was pretty clear in saying that the box set had one of the single largest print runs they have ever done for any product ever and that they've printed several times more copies of it than they have for any previous limited release item, and they expect that the box set will be on the shelves for at least a few months before its completely gone.
Quite likely. Weren't the SOB Army Boxes limited too? I'm still seeing them in stores.
Later, the hardback is pulled out for either a normal hardback or, most likely, a standard-edition softcover. Dice and the like are added in for new players.
One set of the special characters is removed … probably the Lord with the time arrow and the Justicar with the temporal hourglass.
There may be a teensy price drop at that time.
That new version will be the one that remains on sale for the entire edition.
I wonder how long they will last, My store closed, so a lot of people won't be able to get the 9th stuff till someone opens a new store, and this probably won't happen till september.
Is going to be hard to learn how to play without a rule book.
I think you’ll find that this forum has pronounced 9th edition is dead on arrival, and as such there’ll be loads of stock as not 1 person will purchase it.
MaxT wrote: I think you’ll find that this forum has pronounced 9th edition is dead on arrival, and as such there’ll be loads of stock as not 1 person will purchase it.
Dakka posters are always right, especially when they contradict themselves.
Sgt_Smudge wrote: [ Quite likely. Weren't the SOB Army Boxes limited too? I'm still seeing them in stores.
Depends on store. Nowhere in finland and gw hasn't sold them after first half an hour per country or so
Same for Germany - sold out within an hour even if you include the various English and German online stores.
One of the German online stores even went around during the lockdown and picked up boxes from purely brick&mortar stores to resell them online, I don't think he found a single SoB box set.
Sgt_Smudge wrote: [ Quite likely. Weren't the SOB Army Boxes limited too? I'm still seeing them in stores.
Depends on store. Nowhere in finland and gw hasn't sold them after first half an hour per country or so
yeah it is strange sometimes. my store got zero the limited edition boxs, but when they were closing they still had 4 limited edition SoB hero, but no one wanted to buy her .
It will sell out despite everyone gnashing their teeth over the price rises and whales not giving a gak.
Don't worry, GW will dangle the new shiny and everyone will forget how they are gouging everyone in the middle of a global pandemic... Y'all a bunch of addicts.
Kayback wrote: If you want one so badly why not pre-order it?
You realize we're talking about preorders being sold out immediately, right? And yes, just like I did with the SoB box, I'll preorder this box set as well - but to make sure I get one I'll be sitting in front of my computer and wait for the preorders to come online. Not a hardship, but it's still annoying that GW plays the "limited editions are so great" game at all.
Indomitus isnt going to be around forever, but its not going to be a limited edition either. I bet I could easily buy one if I wanted, even if I slept late on launch day.
The thing is, I dont even want the box. Indomitus has only one unit I'd field, so I'll pass on the bloat. The rulebook in epub is all I need right now. Its a bit sad that GW wont release the separate rulebooks until indomitus box is sold out, but I am an adult, I can live with it. I got plenty of hobby to keep me busy anyways, amd KT aint going nowhere.
Sometimes it feels like to some of yall GW is like a narcissistic ex you just cant get over. Harden yourself in stern resolve and commit to your choices, if the past is painful to you, let it go. We all got enough in our lives to deal with already.
Karol wrote:I wonder how long they will last, My store closed, so a lot of people won't be able to get the 9th stuff till someone opens a new store, and this probably won't happen till september.
Is going to be hard to learn how to play without a rule book.
If I'm not mistaken, won't GW produce free online rules, like they did with 8th?
ERJAK wrote: Don't huy GW direct. Problem solved. People freaked out of the SoB box being limited too but I had no trouble finding dozens of copies locally.
Yes, and all the major German and English 3rd party online store pre-orders were sold out within an hour after the pre-orders came online. Same for GW. Local stores didn't carry many either, especially not in 2020 like I explained earlier. I'd say "all of the major English and German online retailers including GW itself" is a slightly bigger sample than "well the stores in my city had 2 boxes left on Monday".
All these people reckoning they will just be able to waltz upto a computer hours after the preorder and buy one are going to be severely disappointed. By making things limited edition GW is creating a huge demand for scalpers to buy literally thousands of these types of boxes at a time. This box will sell out the rage will be incendiary and GW will put a post up in the community site just like SOB. And then all the poor saps who wanted it will either pay the crazy Ebay prices or wait until 2021 to get the models when they release separately. The lumineth box will be a good indication this weekend that will be sold out within 4 minutes I reckon.
Kayback wrote: If you want one so badly why not pre-order it?
That assumes you can Not like in before with limited ed stuff people haven't been lining up on web page and when clock turns try to order only to see "sold out" oh no!
tauist wrote: Indomitus isnt going to be around forever, but its not going to be a limited edition either. I bet I could easily buy one if I wanted, even if I slept late on launch day.
Nice optimism. But when we have GW flat out saying it's going to be in limited in numbers and top of that have previous experience of such boxes going sold out in minutes resulting even those who have been online hitting F5 to see the item available right away STILL end up wth "sold out" before they got it...
The thing is designed to sell out so the GW gets more money out of pricier box before cheaper starter set comes(maybe in month's time). If it's easily available later then GW failed in what they are aiming to do. They WANT it to sell out. It's their business strategy. And for that effect they will print out less copies than you or I would do. They aren't aiming for everybody to have chance to get one.
Kayback wrote: If you want one so badly why not pre-order it?
That assumes you can Not like in before with limited ed stuff people haven't been lining up on web page and when clock turns try to order only to see "sold out" oh no!
Lol I actually thought the problem was with brick and mortar. A couple of posts had mentioned LGS.
I didn't realize we were talking about pre-orders.
Icegoat wrote: All these people reckoning they will just be able to waltz upto a computer hours after the preorder and buy one are going to be severely disappointed. By making things limited edition GW is creating a huge demand for scalpers to buy literally thousands of these types of boxes at a time. This box will sell out the rage will be incendiary and GW will put a post up in the community site just like SOB. And then all the poor saps who wanted it will either pay the crazy Ebay prices or wait until 2021 to get the models when they release separately. The lumineth box will be a good indication this weekend that will be sold out within 4 minutes I reckon.
I think you need to like breathe...
What better way to sell GW models than to say they are "limited time only" ... People like you are clearly freaking out about not being able to buy one of these. If you happen to be able to order one will you not do it straight away?
Sounds Like GW has done a good job with their marketing here.
Or are you telling me you wont buy one even if there are some available because they said it would be limited so you will wait until they are sold out ina few months so you can say "haha! I was right these were limited I cant buy one now. Dammnnn youuuu GW!!!!!"
Every single thread this guy makes is about how terrible GW is.
Man, you want to level legitimate criticism towards GW, be my guest. But you don't even have a good point in your posts. You just spout doom and gloom.
You're like those hardcore bible thumpers on the street screaming about how terrible we all are and that the end is nigh.
Icegoat wrote: All these people reckoning they will just be able to waltz upto a computer hours after the preorder and buy one are going to be severely disappointed. By making things limited edition GW is creating a huge demand for scalpers to buy literally thousands of these types of boxes at a time. This box will sell out the rage will be incendiary and GW will put a post up in the community site just like SOB. And then all the poor saps who wanted it will either pay the crazy Ebay prices or wait until 2021 to get the models when they release separately. The lumineth box will be a good indication this weekend that will be sold out within 4 minutes I reckon.
I won't have any problem getting one. Or the new elf box for AoS.
I'll walk into my local shop this Thur, tell them what I want, & then wait patiently. They'll come in.
Icegoat wrote: All these people reckoning they will just be able to waltz upto a computer hours after the preorder and buy one are going to be severely disappointed. By making things limited edition GW is creating a huge demand for scalpers to buy literally thousands of these types of boxes at a time. This box will sell out the rage will be incendiary and GW will put a post up in the community site just like SOB. And then all the poor saps who wanted it will either pay the crazy Ebay prices or wait until 2021 to get the models when they release separately. The lumineth box will be a good indication this weekend that will be sold out within 4 minutes I reckon.
I won't have any problem getting one. Or the new elf box for AoS.
I'll walk into my local shop this Thur, tell them what I want, & then wait patiently. They'll come in.
The long term item will be the actual starter set(with measurement tapes etc). This is just to cash in more money taking advantage of it being limited. Cheaper long term start set comes later then.
I won't have any problem getting one. Or the new elf box for AoS.
I'll walk into my local shop this Thur, tell them what I want, & then wait patiently. They'll come in.
I have a feeling stores in different parts of the world are treated in a different way by GW. For example to get w40k stuff, they wanted our store to order AoS stuff, but no one bought AoS stuff at our store and only 6 people played it. Created problems with getting key units like riptides, eliminators etc.
Stuff also comes late too. I got my PA book on the 25th of Feb, the last day of winter break. And on the 28th they closed all stores.
the idea that they would spend weeks previewing this as the next big thing, have two 1hr+ twtich streams about it, a new website, and god knows how many warhammer community articles about it, and use it as the platform for jumping into 9th - and then only make enough that they sell out on launch day?
That's the standard opus moderandi for GW though. Put out big box with extra price for being limited(with limited edition codex). then put up stuff to sale for cheaper(so cheaper actual starter set. Note this isn't even starter set meant for new players) later.
It's getting more profit than by putting up actual cheaper starter set from get-go. You get people pay up more this way.
its not the standard modus operandi for them to put this much coverage into anything that sells out within a day or a week. this is the launch set for 9th edition, it is not the SoB battlebox
the backlash from this if it was sold out day 1 would be so big they'd just go make more, but im sure they know enough about how well stuff sells that they've made enough to keep it around for at least a short while.
OP, there is a factual difference between a Limited Run and a Limited Time boxed set.
Limited Run? Produce a set number of the sets. Once they’re gone, that’s yer lot. No more will be made. We see this in many markets. For instance, I bought a close friend a piece of silver jewellery, once owned by a well known model, of which there are but three in the world. That is a limited run. When GW produce ‘Collectors Edition’ doodads? Those too are a limited run. Numbered plates inserted in the front, and when the say, 10,000 have been sold, no more will be made.
Limited Time? This is very different. Here, the exclusivity is limited solely by time. Perhaps two or three months. The exact period is largely unimportant. What is important is that during that period, the manufacturer will simply go and make more to fulfil and match demand. It doesn’t matter if they sell 5, 50, 5,000 or 50,000 etc.
Now, Limited Time can come with the drawback that all physical stock is inherently limited. So whilst orders will continue to be taken throughout the period, there’s a fair chance there’ll be a bottleneck in orders once the initial physical stock sells through. Yet, as we’ve seen with GW repeatedly, all such orders will be fulfilled as soon as they can. Usually the delay is down to the printed goodies, as those aren’t printed and bound in-house. Sometimes in China, sometimes in Poland. But provided you place your order in the relevant timeframe they’ve chosen, you’ll get your Indomitus.
Example? Consider another gift for my almost-girlfriend*,of a Shane Dawson Pig Bag. He’s apparently a make-up youtuber she follows, who did a collaboration for merch. She likes him, she loves piggies (probably explains her confirmed interest in me). As do many others. On launch, initial stock sold out. Fast. And of course along came the Scalpers, buying up multiples and bunging them on eBay for inflated prices.
This product came up during our daily phone call Sunday night. Lo and behold, my accrued Looting Karma kicks in, and there it is, on his website. Right place. Right time. Order placed. So turns out it wasn’t a Limited Edition - just an item in super high demand on launch, and more have been made.
Do you see the difference?
*Not an e-girlfriend, if anyone cares! The almost bit comes because of Stupid Corona Virus preventing us actually going in dates and like, seeing each other. But seeing her this weekend. So there. She is real, even if she does live in another town!
Uuuh MDG...Are you aware that GW disagrees with you? It's limited print run. Once stock is gone it's gone. How long stock lasts is another thing. They claim biggest stock ever but of course previous bigger+1 would also fit and their limited editions have sold out.
You will get the models and (regular) rulebook from the actual starter set later though so you will only lose on limited edition rulebook and have to wait a bit but will get it cheaper at least.
ERJAK wrote: Don't huy GW direct. Problem solved. People freaked out of the SoB box being limited too but I had no trouble finding dozens of copies locally.
Depends on the area I guess. We only got a few boxes and then it was out. YMMV when it comes to having access to the limited runs of box sets.
I guarantee this set will never sell out. It is an absolute certainty that GW have made waaaaay too many copies. As a result, there will be no decent starter set for years, all armies but Marines and Necrons will stagnate and die and eventually GW itself will fold. Mark My Words!
Icegoat wrote: All these people reckoning they will just be able to waltz upto a computer hours after the preorder and buy one are going to be severely disappointed. By making things limited edition GW is creating a huge demand for scalpers to buy literally thousands of these types of boxes at a time. This box will sell out the rage will be incendiary and GW will put a post up in the community site just like SOB. And then all the poor saps who wanted it will either pay the crazy Ebay prices or wait until 2021 to get the models when they release separately. The lumineth box will be a good indication this weekend that will be sold out within 4 minutes I reckon.
I won't have any problem getting one. Or the new elf box for AoS.
I'll walk into my local shop this Thur, tell them what I want, & then wait patiently. They'll come in.
Not much of demand in your FLGS then.
No, I just don't anticipate any problems with supply. But you know, it doesn't hurt to make sure the owner knows to order you x just in case.
Icegoat wrote: I'm not even going to bother to try and secure a copy of this it will be gone instantly GW have killed any hope and interest I had in this edition with this new constant limited box release. They sell out instantly and all it does is make people angry and want to quit the hobby. Putting over 70 exclusive models into a limited box run is absolute madness. 40k died for me when they announced this. They dont care about their customers just price gouging and generating massive hype for things that sell out in five minutes. A disgrace.
We could club together and start a raffle to help sell off your necrons for you
I won't have any problem getting one. Or the new elf box for AoS.
I'll walk into my local shop this Thur, tell them what I want, & then wait patiently. They'll come in.
I have a feeling stores in different parts of the world are treated in a different way by GW. For example to get w40k stuff, they wanted our store to order AoS stuff, but no one bought AoS stuff at our store and only 6 people played it. Created problems with getting key units like riptides, eliminators etc.
Stuff also comes late too. I got my PA book on the 25th of Feb, the last day of winter break. And on the 28th they closed all stores.
Oh absolutely. Pretty much it boils down to the more you order the better you get treated.
I think some of these army boxes are a bit cruel, as they do generate hype and *I've got to buy it now* - but to a degree that is just good business. No one ultimately needs warhammer.
I wouldn't be surprised if this sold out immediately - but if that indicated strong demand, I'd be surprised GW didn't print more. There is however a balancing act. You don't want to undermine the individual releases because people are flooding ebay with so many necron warriors, assault Primaris etc.
Icegoat wrote: I can gurantee this wont be in flagships and if you think these models will be available this year outside this box set you are going to be very disappointed. Look at every limited box run Gw has produced they've sold out within minutes apart from that trash elder box. This will sell out immediately. Mark my words.
no they haven't shadowspear was widely avalaib,e prophecy of the wolf was, etc. the sisters of battle box selling out that fast wasn't exactly common
I think they were experimenting a lot last year with boxes to see what they could and couldn't do.
Some boxes stayed around for a long time while others got gobbled up immediately. Carrion Empire sold like hotcakes, but it also contained a hero that was the hottest thing in the world and was only available in the box. Then you had Looncurse that kinda just disappeared into a puff of smoke. We also had Blood of the Phoenix that was experimenting with some outrageous prices. After the Phoenix box things seemed to normalize with the Feast of Bones and Aether Wars, with both being available a little longer.
Wrath and Rapture is perhaps the weirdest box of it all as it has stayed around indefinitely.
I can never work out if GW just really underestimated how much Wrath and Rapture would sell or not. Then again AoS side they didn't help themselves by making the best way to play Slaanesh being basically just buying Keepers
Overread wrote: I can never work out if GW just really underestimated how much Wrath and Rapture would sell or not. Then again AoS side they didn't help themselves by making the best way to play Slaanesh being basically just buying Keepers
The Slaanesh and Khorne Codex didn't help. On the Khorne side the dogs were the only thing people used competitively and as you mentioned Slaanesh is Keepers only. I also think they made a metric ton of those boxes because they probably had an overabundance of some of these models in the warehouse. For me these boxes often appear as GW attempting to shift out dead weight in the warehouse, which is why we'll see crap like Vypers and Falcons in Blood of the Phoenix.
Still, I bought two of those boxes(W&R) as I got a nice deal. Always good to have more daemons in the bank.
I wound up with three copies of the models - but it makes me sad that they put such fantastic work into those new models and yet they messed up with the rules. Pretty much only on depravity too - the whole Slaanesh tome would be more fun and more engaging if they just dumped depravity
Icegoat wrote: I can gurantee this wont be in flagships and if you think these models will be available this year outside this box set you are going to be very disappointed. Look at every limited box run Gw has produced they've sold out within minutes apart from that trash elder box. This will sell out immediately. Mark my words.
no they haven't shadowspear was widely avalaib,e prophecy of the wolf was, etc. the sisters of battle box selling out that fast wasn't exactly common
Also, not for nothing but the SoB box set was limited edition that sold out in seconds after it went up and was still pretty easy to find. The only real issue was that ebay resellers were selling at retail instead of the normal 15% off. Once the panic buyers had taken all the 400$ listings at least. But then, that was there fault.
no they haven't shadowspear was widely avalaib,e prophecy of the wolf was, etc. the sisters of battle box selling out that fast wasn't exactly common
Realm of Chaos - Wrath and Rapture: "Please buy me"
Remember the Talons of the Emperor box that sat in last chance to buy for 8 months?
On a sidenote though, I wish everything went to last chance to buy before it sold it; that's how I missed out on Gangs of Commarragh and Deathwatch: Overkill. They had been available for months, so it isn't like OP's instant sell out fear. But one day I just woke up and it wasn't in the store anymore.
I suspect this will be like last year's Battleforces, in that it will be limited but you will be able to buy it for some time. It cannot be in their interests not to supply enough of this to satisfy the full market, if nothing else because it contains the rules and if the rules are not freely available then the launch fails right off the bat. I'm going to say it has a limited lifetime rather than a limited run. I strongly suspect we will be able to get it fairly easily. IIRC the LotR Battle of Pelennor Fields is 'limited edition'.
Isengard wrote: I suspect this will be like last year's Battleforces, in that it will be limited but you will be able to buy it for some time. It cannot be in their interests not to supply enough of this to satisfy the full market, if nothing else because it contains the rules and if the rules are not freely available then the launch fails right off the bat. I'm going to say it has a limited lifetime rather than a limited run. I strongly suspect we will be able to get it fairly easily. IIRC the LotR Battle of Pelennor Fields is 'limited edition'.
That's what they're aiming for, for sure. But I suspect that was their goal with the Sisters box, too - so we'll have to wait and see if they got a better idea of how many boxes they need to stock to achieve that.
I'm expecting them to sell the new BRB as a standard edition right away, though - otherwise a dick move to anyone not interesting in Necrons and/or Marines.
Well high elfs is what makes any fantasy setting good, having a small print run of them would be rather foolish.
Doubt the marines who are even more important to GW are going to fare different'. Unless it is true, and in some parts of the world everyone playing the game does buy the starter set of an an edition. Then maybe it will not be enough for everyone.
Thankfuly not a big problem for me, as I don't play either factions.
Yeah. The Sisters of Battle box was probably the most anticipated box in GW history before now. I wanted it, but was going on exchange two months after it was going to release, so I held off. I kept holding off after it sold out online in three minutes. I saw about a dozen at various independents and still held off. Finally, about a week before I was due to fly out, I saw the last one at an independent store on sale, and picked it up. Then I flew over to Sweden and found another half dozen. I’m fairly confident everybody who wants one will get one, eventually.
argonak wrote: I just really despise the eBay scalping of limited run products.
Maybe I've missed something, but really doesn't seem as bad as some people on this forum make out. Most stuff I see parted out from boxes doesn't tend to run more expensive than an equivalent kit would be straight from GW, if not a fair bit cheaper. In my experience, things tend to drop off a little after the initial couple of weeks, too. There are obviously some maniacs throwing insane, speculative prices on things, but caveat emptor, I guess.
argonak wrote: I just really despise the eBay scalping of limited run products.
Maybe I've missed something, but really doesn't seem as bad as some people on this forum make out. Most stuff I see parted out from boxes doesn't tend to run more expensive than an equivalent kit would be straight from GW, if not a fair bit cheaper. In my experience, things tend to drop off a little after the initial couple of weeks, too. There are obviously some maniacs throwing insane, speculative prices on things, but caveat emptor, I guess.
Likewise for people like myself who only have use/need of 1 side of the box the other half being sold off allows me to recoup some loss while giving other people to buy the units they want for cheaper than retail, seems a win overall
argonak wrote: I just really despise the eBay scalping of limited run products.
Maybe I've missed something, but really doesn't seem as bad as some people on this forum make out. Most stuff I see parted out from boxes doesn't tend to run more expensive than an equivalent kit would be straight from GW, if not a fair bit cheaper. In my experience, things tend to drop off a little after the initial couple of weeks, too. There are obviously some maniacs throwing insane, speculative prices on things, but caveat emptor, I guess.
Likewise for people like myself who only have use/need of 1 side of the box the other half being sold off allows me to recoup some loss while giving other people to buy the units they want for cheaper than retail, seems a win overall
Oh yeah, I do this all the time. I'm fortunate enough to usually have sufficient spare cash for a full box sloshing about, so if there's one with a kit I want, I'll often buy it, part out all the bits I don't want at a reasonable rate, and get myself some cheapy guys as a treat.
Icegoat wrote: I'm not even going to bother to try and secure a copy of this it will be gone instantly GW have killed any hope and interest I had in this edition with this new constant limited box release. They sell out instantly and all it does is make people angry and want to quit the hobby. Putting over 70 exclusive models into a limited box run is absolute madness. 40k died for me when they announced this. They dont care about their customers just price gouging and generating massive hype for things that sell out in five minutes. A disgrace.
If you order from your FLGS, you'll get a copy....
I've got two on order from my FLGS. Not sure if you have one nearby, but one of my local shops had 55 boxsets allocated. That is one of three local shops who are all asking who would like a boxset held for the,.
Seems like a fairly extreme point of view but if the love of GW hung on such a delicate thread, I'm sorry this happened. I however doubt this will sell out as fast as you are fearing and even if it did, you'll be able to get these models again.
Assuming OP is right (which I doubt), stuff like this always makes my econ minor start screaming about inefficiency. Shortages are a sign that prices and/or supply need to rise. Why companies allow stuff like this to happen when it is all but objectively in their worse interests is ... odd. I mean, they can't be so naive that they think it does anything other than transfer their lost profits to scalpers. I suspect watching stuff sell out instantly makes them feel good, the corporate equivalent of an escort.
One person I know has created no less than seven email accounts AND PO boxes for his extended family purely for the purpose of getting as many boxes as possible to resell later...
eBay's 40k section is sure going to be interesting to watch after it releases!
Slayer6 wrote: One person I know has created no less than seven email accounts AND PO boxes for his extended family purely for the purpose of getting as many boxes as possible to resell later...
eBay's 40k section is sure going to be interesting to watch after it releases!
They could find themselves out of pocket if it's not as limited as some people seem to think. I suspect some of the individual models will be in high demand but others much less so. A fairly large number of people buying the box will not want half of the models in it, which will affect prices if the market gets flooded with people happy to just recoup some of their purchase price.
Hahaha they have now limited it down to 3 they know they are going to have a complete gak storm go down when this sells out quicker than sob. Limited boxes only hurt the consumer and aids profits of scalpers and ner do wells. Gw need to up their productions asap this is getting ridiculous.
Icegoat wrote: Hahaha they have now limited it down to 3 they know they are going to have a complete gak storm go down when this sells out quicker than sob. Limited boxes only hurt the consumer and aids profits of scalpers and ner do wells. Gw need to up their productions asap this is getting ridiculous.
In case you hadn't noticed, there's a minor disruption going on called COVID-19 which is going to make it tricky to "ramp up production" of anything right now.
Slayer6 wrote: One person I know has created no less than seven email accounts AND PO boxes for his extended family purely for the purpose of getting as many boxes as possible to resell later...
eBay's 40k section is sure going to be interesting to watch after it releases!
They could find themselves out of pocket if it's not as limited as some people seem to think. I suspect some of the individual models will be in high demand but others much less so. A fairly large number of people buying the box will not want half of the models in it, which will affect prices if the market gets flooded with people happy to just recoup some of their purchase price.
Can confirm my local non-gw store, which is extremely small given our town is less than 8K people is getting 24 boxes.
It has space marines in it... what makes you think this is going to be uber elite special edition?
This thing is going to be on the shelves sitting at MSRP waiting to be bought for awhile after release. You should be able to find it for like a year. They're not going to short sell it... they'd lose WAY too much money on that.
Overlord - 20
Royal Warden - 20
Plasmancer - 15
Cryptothralls - 20
Skorpekh Lord - 25
Skorpekh Destroyers - 30
Plasmacyte - 15
Catopek Reanimator - 30
2 Squads of Necrons+Scarabs if its like the old box - 60
=£235. (Prices might be a bit off with this one.)
Special Edition Rulebook. Lets say £35 like a regular one.
Total: £490.
Now okay, Maybe the Ancient comes with the Veterans so knock it down a few quid. Maybe the Necron Characters won't be as expensive (i.e. say you get the plasmancer and plasmacyte together for £20 or something) so you can knock off another £10-20 there. Primaris Characters could actually be even more expensive but hopefully wouldn't be.
But even with those cuts you only get down to say £450~.
And supposedly this is available for £120.
Which means this represents a faintly ludicrous 70%-75% saving if you valued all the contents. (FWIW it might be worth doing this calculation for the previous starter, but I'm lazy.)
So yes, Scalpers are going to try their hand. Because there is a potentially ludicrous mark up once these boxes are consumed, and people have to acquire the models at RRP.
But the downside for GW, is that if they release too many of this kit, no one on earth is going to ever buy any of the independent kits, with their massively higher RRP, because ebay etc will be awash with these models for years to come at a fraction of the price. I mean as said - buy the box, keep the half you like, sell the rest for literally the £120 you paid for it, and you are effectively getting half an army for free, while giving someone a massive saving versus what they'd end up paying if they bought the kits at RRP.
You compare it to the Lumineth Box they did (that doesn't appear to be selling) and you basically get some free dice. Not surprising people are not falling over that one.
Overlord - 20
Royal Warden - 20
Plasmancer - 15
Cryptothralls - 20
Skorpekh Lord - 25
Skorpekh Destroyers - 30
Plasmacyte - 15
Catopek Reanimator - 30
2 Squads of Necrons+Scarabs if its like the old box - 60
=£235. (Prices might be a bit off with this one.)
Special Edition Rulebook. Lets say £35 like a regular one.
Total: £490.
Now okay, Maybe the Ancient comes with the Veterans so knock it down a few quid. Maybe the Necron Characters won't be as expensive (i.e. say you get the plasmancer and plasmacyte together for £20 or something) so you can knock off another £10-20 there. Primaris Characters could actually be even more expensive but hopefully wouldn't be.
But even with those cuts you only get down to say £450~.
And supposedly this is available for £120.
Which means this represents a faintly ludicrous 70%-75% saving if you valued all the contents. (FWIW it might be worth doing this calculation for the previous starter, but I'm lazy.)
So yes, Scalpers are going to try their hand. Because there is a potentially ludicrous mark up once these boxes are consumed, and people have to acquire the models at RRP.
But the downside for GW, is that if they release too many of this kit, no one on earth is going to ever buy any of the independent kits, with their massively higher RRP, because ebay etc will be awash with these models for years to come at a fraction of the price. I mean as said - buy the box, keep the half you like, sell the rest for literally the £120 you paid for it, and you are effectively getting half an army for free, while giving someone a massive saving versus what they'd end up paying if they bought the kits at RRP.
You compare it to the Lumineth Box they did (that doesn't appear to be selling) and you basically get some free dice. Not surprising people are not falling over that one.
*Looks at BOTP box sitting on a shelf behind desk...*
I think the cost economy was trash on BotP, though. Like the savings was in the 30% range vs this being in the 50s?
I mean it can say all sorts of things about Space Marine preference, but... I mean... they're not going to build a ton of angst, use it as the flagship for an edition release, and then short print it to make it some ultra rare collector's item.
They're literally stealing money from themselves.
They are going to produce it, and it is probably why we see A LOT of stuff on the website going out of stock. Reduced capacity from COVID + ramp up on Indomitus production has everything else sidelined.
Purifying Tempest wrote: I think the cost economy was trash on BotP, though. Like the savings was in the 30% range vs this being in the 50s?
I mean it can say all sorts of things about Space Marine preference, but... I mean... they're not going to build a ton of angst, use it as the flagship for an edition release, and then short print it to make it some ultra rare collector's item.
They're literally stealing money from themselves.
They are going to produce it, and it is probably why we see A LOT of stuff on the website going out of stock. Reduced capacity from COVID + ramp up on Indomitus production has everything else sidelined.
I don't agree with this take. I think it's very likely that however much of this was going to be produced has already been done, and it's very likely shipped out to a lot of distributors already. It's very likely they still haven't gotten back to 100% capacity on their factory yet, and are behind is why we are seeing so much out of stock.
We are are also very likely to see a starter set come out shortly after this which will be the flagship product for the edition. It won't contain as much value, but it'll likely be available.
All evidence points to this being a limited run. Some stores have even run out of their pre-order allocation according to the N&R thread. Don't expect this to stick around in any measure.
It seems like some FLGS used up all the pre order units, and stores in non priority places get 2 box per store. Still better then no box though, would be hard to play the game without the full rule book.
Shops can't even order them illegaly from germany, because they have no units to sell.
what I know from my FLGS is that he need to tell how many copies he wants, than they tell him how many he gets and/or if he can order more later
in this case he had to place his order, therefore let people place pre-orders so he knows how many copies he need
and reservations already exceeded the maximum amount of boxes he will get from GW and was told that there won't be more
so he sold out 4 days before the official pre-order started
Well, the official pre-order window doesn't start until Saturday, though I imagine ad hoc reservation lists were a thing.
Dark Sphere have / had a thing on their website allowing you to 'register interest' if you were strongly intending on buying - saying it was going to transfer to a pre-order as soon as the window opened.
Well, the official pre-order window doesn't start until Saturday, though I imagine ad hoc reservation lists were a thing.
What GW are probably saying there is that the FLGS can't request any more copies than they already have.
Sorry, I expressed myself poorly.
My FLGS (not a Warhammer store) could put in their (shop) pre-order for the stuff today starting somewhen in the morning.
Shortly after a message was sent out to them that no further items could be pre-ordered and that they should not accept additional pre-orders from customers on Saturday.
Anyone else noticed that GW-affiliated (main webstore + FW ) sites have a captcha now? Wonder if they're concerned about bots being used to snap up this box set...?
I may then get a second from my local GW. Currently undecided, but pre-order to release crosses over with payday, so I’ll certainly be able to afford it.
However, I’m not entirely sure this will be scalped quite so heavily. From what we’ve seen of unboxings, these look to be full production kits, rather than box specific (such as Deffkoptas, the Gravis Captain and so on). So there’s nothing in them, barring the rule book, we won’t be able to pick up further down the line. So even if scalping sods do try to create false scarcity, there’s less reason to rely on them.
Some of the models - like the new four legged necron walker- are likely "exclusive" as pushfit designs much like the redemptors from the Sisters of Battle set. However the general release of those models will likely have more parts, more options and be in general more valued for those options.
Of course its expected that those pushfit designs will get bundled into getting started sets so, yeah there's nothing in this box that is a true "limited" product. Though one might end up waiting a year to get some content.
But things like the rulebook and such won't be limited - if they are then like most GW limited edition manuals it will just be a different hardback cover rather than anything inside the book itself.
I may then get a second from my local GW. Currently undecided, but pre-order to release crosses over with payday, so I’ll certainly be able to afford it.
However, I’m not entirely sure this will be scalped quite so heavily. From what we’ve seen of unboxings, these look to be full production kits, rather than box specific (such as Deffkoptas, the Gravis Captain and so on). So there’s nothing in them, barring the rule book, we won’t be able to pick up further down the line. So even if scalping sods do try to create false scarcity, there’s less reason to rely on them.
I recdently just heard that there isn't a single thing on the marine side that is exclusive. someone with a contact in GW got a price list for everything. so no reason to buy this beyond the savings
I may then get a second from my local GW. Currently undecided, but pre-order to release crosses over with payday, so I’ll certainly be able to afford it.
However, I’m not entirely sure this will be scalped quite so heavily. From what we’ve seen of unboxings, these look to be full production kits, rather than box specific (such as Deffkoptas, the Gravis Captain and so on). So there’s nothing in them, barring the rule book, we won’t be able to pick up further down the line. So even if scalping sods do try to create false scarcity, there’s less reason to rely on them.
I recdently just heard that there isn't a single thing on the marine side that is exclusive. someone with a contact in GW got a price list for everything. so no reason to buy this beyond the savings
I don't think they've ever said anything is exclusive to this set, just that the combination of contents is exclusive.
Well, the official pre-order window doesn't start until Saturday, though I imagine ad hoc reservation lists were a thing.
Dark Sphere have / had a thing on their website allowing you to 'register interest' if you were strongly intending on buying - saying it was going to transfer to a pre-order as soon as the window opened.
I registered interest in a box
I did the same with Dark Sphere. I think I registered fairly early, so I bloody hope I get one.
I tell you what I would really like to see for the GW pre-order - instead of being allowed to order three copies, on day one, you can only order one box per person. If there any left, you can order multiple copies on subsequent days. Admittedy, you'd still get some people ordering multiples by getting one per family member, but there is still a practical limit to that. And ordering one for your seven family members is much better than ordering three each for your seven family members!
I recdently just heard that there isn't a single thing on the marine side that is exclusive. someone with a contact in GW got a price list for everything. so no reason to buy this beyond the savings
some of the actual models will be exclusive to either this set or a future start collecting/starter set, as they are one the same sprues as other stuff. if they have individual prices it will be for a different future model
But even with those cuts you only get down to say £450~.
And supposedly this is available for £120.
This math only works if you would have bought the contents separately - most of us wouldn't. In reality buying Indomitus means spending £125 instead of £200-ish if you collect one of the armies present or £125 instead of £0 if you don't (value of Core book not taken into account).
That being said, Indomitus is still heck of a good deal if you want the contents and good deal even if you want only half of the contents. My point was that comparing to real retail price of the contents may be misleading.
I don't collect Primarines or Necrons but I am going to buy Indomitus because it is a huge box of pretty models for good price. I will likely buy some reinforcements for one or both armies which means that I will end up spending hundreds of pounds more than I would have without Indomitus. I am the target audience.
Eipi10 wrote: Assuming OP is right (which I doubt), stuff like this always makes my econ minor start screaming about inefficiency. Shortages are a sign that prices and/or supply need to rise. Why companies allow stuff like this to happen when it is all but objectively in their worse interests is ... odd. I mean, they can't be so naive that they think it does anything other than transfer their lost profits to scalpers. I suspect watching stuff sell out instantly makes them feel good, the corporate equivalent of an escort.
You are asuming competitive market, his is more close to a monopoly. Also doing a pricier box first, then releasing an other smaller cheaper box is a kind of a price discrimination.
All the "why don't GW just make MORE OF THE THING" crew seem to be overlooking that 1. they don't have infinite manufacturing capacity, especially at the moment; 2. warehouse space to store excess inventory costs money; 3. if everyone who wants this gets one, they reduce the market for the separate kits down the line. Sure, it's a mild bummer to miss out on some toys you wanted, but I'm sure the content hose will spray out something else new and exciting in due course.
a_typical_hero wrote: My FLGS already received a message saying that further pre-ordering is not possible.
I don't know when the pre-order went up exactly, but it felt like it was only available for a very limited time.
All reserved boxes for customers could be ordered and then some more, so no problem here. The demand seems very high.
Well, the official pre-order window doesn't start until Saturday, though I imagine ad hoc reservation lists were a thing.
What GW are probably saying there is that the FLGS can't request any more copies than they already have.
That's assuming that it was GW which told the FLGS in question and not a third party distributor...
We got a price list for this release two weeks ago or so. That would be when independents could have started ordering. It looks like the price list went up on July 2nd or so? That's where I have it in my saved images...god I hate these days.
As in the first day for your FLGS to start taking preorders or to get stock allocations from GW?
Sorry if I don't make myself clear enough in my posts.
The store took pre-orders from customers like me before that day already. They were trying to purchase / pre-order stuff from GW. That should be the stock allocation you mentioned.
My shop got a total of 15 boxes ordered where 10 are reserved for customers. That is all they will get for now. The shop is quite new and quite small. I would guess GW would deliver more stock to their bigger retailers.
But even with those cuts you only get down to say £450~.
And supposedly this is available for £120.
This math only works if you would have bought the contents separately - most of us wouldn't. In reality buying Indomitus means spending £125 instead of £200-ish if you collect one of the armies present or £125 instead of £0 if you don't (value of Core book not taken into account).
That being said, Indomitus is still heck of a good deal if you want the contents and good deal even if you want only half of the contents. My point was that comparing to real retail price of the contents may be misleading.
I don't collect Primarines or Necrons but I am going to buy Indomitus because it is a huge box of pretty models for good price. I will likely buy some reinforcements for one or both armies which means that I will end up spending hundreds of pounds more than I would have without Indomitus. I am the target audience.
Well if you don't collect 1 faction getting second set of what you do or selling off easy enough so 125 pounds for 2 set of useful models or less than 125 for 1 set
Well, the official pre-order window doesn't start until Saturday, though I imagine ad hoc reservation lists were a thing.
Dark Sphere have / had a thing on their website allowing you to 'register interest' if you were strongly intending on buying - saying it was going to transfer to a pre-order as soon as the window opened.
I registered interest in a box
I did the same with Dark Sphere. I think I registered fairly early, so I bloody hope I get one.
I tell you what I would really like to see for the GW pre-order - instead of being allowed to order three copies, on day one, you can only order one box per person. If there any left, you can order multiple copies on subsequent days. Admittedy, you'd still get some people ordering multiples by getting one per family member, but there is still a practical limit to that. And ordering one for your seven family members is much better than ordering three each for your seven family members!
Dark Sphere put a post on their Facebook letting everyone know that they've already sold out, and they'll be letting those who registered will know come Friday if they have one secured. https://www.facebook.com/DarkSphereGaming/photos/a.533436513455071/2050432265088814/?type=3&theater Alchemist Workshop said they have loads and won't be limiting orders. Which I don't think is true at this point.
One things for sure is there's gonna be a lot of disappointment this Saturday.
ScarletRose wrote: Dicehead just cancelled all reservations for the box set.
Seems like GW really gakked the bed on this one. I doubt I'm going to find any other preorder availability anywhere else.
So I guess they don't get my money for now.
That seems hard to believe they have no allocation. I see no mention of this on twitter or facebook?
I literally just got the email before posting. I'm guessing it went out to those who were on the reservation list already.
I'll copy/paste it into a spoiler because it's long
Spoiler:
INDOMITUS BOXED SET HEAVILY ALLOCATED LAST MINUTE BY GAMES WORKSHOP - ALL RESERVE ORDERS HAVE BEEN CANCELLED. PLEASE READ BELOW.
I am writing to inform you that Games Workshop has reduced EVERY single Game Store’s allocations of Indomitus in the country by drastic numbers including ours at well over 75% of our initial order commitment, putting most of their retail partners in very unpleasant situations this evening.
Last week, we were made to make decisions to spend tens of thousands of dollars (almost $30k in our case) on this release with less than a 24 hour notice, telling us that we had to give our totals by end of day and that we could not reduce those totals, only add to them because we would get what we committed to that day. It is a normal GW practice to put us in these preorder situations but they seldom ever (actually none that I can remember in my last 22 years of business with them) go back on those numbers once we commit.
At that time we reached out to you to offer the reserve list with the confidence that we would have the total that we had been made to commit to. From there, I spent hours and money organizing and preparing for this release that will now be a small fraction of what it could have been for us and for you, our customers.
Whether it be bad management of resources, someone misreading the numbers, "miscommunication" (the likely excuse… err… reason), an inability to meet demand to their retailers (mind you there will be plenty on their own webstore come Saturday) or, just plain old fashioned greed, whatever the reason, once again GW bites the hand that feeds them - their local retail stores - the people who work to promote their products through events, workshops and doing all the work keeping the community involved in their games for them.
With all of that said, I sincerely hate to inform you that DICEHEAD.COM will not have a single copy of Indomitus available to any of our online customers.
I HATE, absolutely HATE, not being able to fulfill a promise to a customer – one of my top business rules is "Never tell a customer you will do something for them and not do it." I wish other companies lived by the same standards, but today, it is what it is and I cannot sell what I do not have.
Please accept my sincere apologies and I hope you are able to find a copy of Indomitus this weekend.
We will have the Chapter Approved books in the webstore but that will be about it for this release as GW has also allocated everything else in this initial release to levels that we cannot offer them online as well either.
Sincerely,
- An extremely disappointed and frustrated Shane and Dicehead Team
So not totally cancelled. Sounds like they were angling to grab something like 250 sets, because they run an eBay store. My store is still getting their comparatively modest 15.
Reading your last posts I'm actually thinking about picking up the non reserved boxes from my local store just so I can sell them to actual gamers for the regular price + shipping.
I can imagine how the prices on ebay will look like right after release. :(
Daedalus81 wrote: So not totally cancelled. Sounds like they were angling to grab something like 250 sets, because they run an eBay store. My store is still getting their comparatively modest 15.
Yeah we can sort of guesstimate their stock using the numbers they gave of a $30k order placed with GW and only a 25% final allocation.
Assuming an independent stockist pays 50% of retail then they would have requested 300 boxes but are only receiving ~75.
That's pretty worrying low for an independent store that also usually sells online...
Spoiler:
A cursory glance on Google found a thread on Dakka from 2014 where someone mentioned distributors (?) paying 40-45%. I thought GW acted as their own distributor, but just in case I'm assuming a stockist would be slightly higher than distribution (hence 50%).
$30k/($200*.5) = 300 boxes
300bx * .25
I know it's basic math, but just so there's no confusion...
My FLGS got less than 10% of what they wanted and they got over 250 boxes. If the demand is really this high the box will be soldout in minutes on the GW website. And the website will probably crash...
I may then get a second from my local GW. Currently undecided, but pre-order to release crosses over with payday, so I’ll certainly be able to afford it.
However, I’m not entirely sure this will be scalped quite so heavily. From what we’ve seen of unboxings, these look to be full production kits, rather than box specific (such as Deffkoptas, the Gravis Captain and so on). So there’s nothing in them, barring the rule book, we won’t be able to pick up further down the line. So even if scalping sods do try to create false scarcity, there’s less reason to rely on them.
I recdently just heard that there isn't a single thing on the marine side that is exclusive. someone with a contact in GW got a price list for everything. so no reason to buy this beyond the savings
Well, as I'm interested in every piece in this box, that's a good enough reason to order it.
If I'm going to buy it all? I might as well buy it all now & save $....
a_typical_hero wrote: Reading your last posts I'm actually thinking about picking up the non reserved boxes from my local store just so I can sell them to actual gamers for the regular price + shipping.
I can imagine how the prices on ebay will look like right after release. :(
Sounds pretty heroic. Maybe I'll contact you, because I didn't get any confirmation regarding my reservation.
I still hope, the english boxes aren't sold out that fast in germany...
This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Darn it at least wait until the stock actually runs out before proclaiming the end of the world
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Darn it at least wait until the stock actually runs out before proclaiming the end of the world
Also we need some actual sources on those numbers
if stores can't order the items to sell them, then the source kind of a has run out already.
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Darn it at least wait until the stock actually runs out before proclaiming the end of the world
Also we need some actual sources on those numbers
if stores can't order the items to sell them, then the source kind of a has run out already.
There's a difference between local supply limits and regional supply limits. We won't know the latter until tomorrow at 10am local release time for different GW regions. It might be that some stores aren't able to get stock that they want, but that through the general regional distribution the majority of customers do get access to stock at fair prices. It might be scalpers buy it all and we have to contend with that or that GW doesn't have enough. We also have to remember that there will be many buying it JUST for the rulebook and so we have to factor in the aftermarket sale of split sets as well.
So chances are we won't know the regional issues until tomorrow and we won't know the full picture until release.
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Tfw you're having a very normal one over a company that makes toys not having functionally infinite manufacturing capacity.
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Tfw you're having a very normal one over a company that makes toys not having functionally infinite manufacturing capacity.
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Tfw you're having a very normal one over a company that makes toys not having functionally infinite manufacturing capacity.
Of course GW Is choosing to under produce are people really so blind? When a normal unlimited release happens they never run out of pre order stock they can easily produce more indomitus they are choosing not to to create a mad rush and hype and a quick tidy profit. It will not help them in the long run and I hope this really does put people off because it's a disgraceful buisness practice.
No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....
There's a difference between local supply limits and regional supply limits. We won't know the latter until tomorrow at 10am local release time for different GW regions. It might be that some stores aren't able to get stock that they want, but that through the general regional distribution the majority of customers do get access to stock at fair prices. It might be scalpers buy it all and we have to contend with that or that GW doesn't have enough. We also have to remember that there will be many buying it JUST for the rulebook and so we have to factor in the aftermarket sale of split sets as well.
So chances are we won't know the regional issues until tomorrow and we won't know the full picture until release.
The fact that GW acts bad towards certain regions or countries is a separate matter. They had been doing stuff like that all 8th, and considering everyone think it is the norm, I expect they did it for ever, or at least long enough for no one to remember them doing otherwise.
All In all I think, and I am no economy major, it is a dick thing to do, to put out rules for a new edition, knowing people play the game all around the world, and send 2 copies per store, in large cities or informing that CA is going to be "delayed". I would get it in some way if the rules were accessible online, but they are not, not even if you subscribe to their up comming app.
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Tfw you're having a very normal one over a company that makes toys not having functionally infinite manufacturing capacity.
Except underproducing is gw's choice.
They've had staff back in production less than a month, they need to catch up on historic orders, produce enough of frequent sellers to ensure a reasonable stock, then switch to a new kit. How did you expect them to have a surplus of a new box set with nobody in to make them?
harlokin wrote: No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....
You forgot giving a 2-week lead time on pre-orders instead of 1... you know... so that they could sell those ten copies faster.
I have no idea if supply is going to match demand, but basically... the only way GW loses money is if it cannot match that demand. Short-selling the box to you guys on purpose has no financial benefit to the company.
Can they produce enough to meet the ravenous appetite of the dakka community? I dunno. I doubt saying they have a stock of 100 million copies would be enough to placate some people. But to say there is some nefarious conspiracy to take the box out of your hands and make you pay $500 on ebay... I think this is a bit conspiratorial.
Also, a lot of the measures lately seems to be aimed at getting more sales through their website instead of through the brick-and-mortar supply chain. They make a ton more money that way than they do selling it for half price to your FLGS. I'd be more upset about that push than anything. And it actually makes sense.
harlokin wrote: No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....
Oh that is an big over exegeration. I can give you many example of gigantic gas, electricity supplying companies ,which are all state run meaning they should technicly be pro people, that treat their customers very bad.
For example our electricity company send us a letter, through some private company courier, as post would be too cheap and not generate higher costs, that we have time till 30 june to decide if we want to pay more for electricity or not. the letter came 3 days ago. And yes you can take them to court. They have more money, and will bankrupt you, if you try. But before that, they will cut off your electricty.
Or debt gather companies which legaly stole a guys tractors a few years ago, auctioned it off, and the response of the national board of debt collectors to the family was . Our bad sorry, we ment to go to another guy. If you want your tractor or money back, you can sue the collectors company. Which of course was in Cyprus and disbanded by the time courts started to react.
Comparing to stuff like that. Or belgian companies in congo performing purges among the local populations , GW is a fluffy little bunny.
Looking at some of the numbers people are talking about here, with stores asking for 250-300 boxes, it's hard to say whether GW or the stores themselves are more at fault. Seems to me that there are some stores that have perhaps placed too high an initial order and then promised those boxes to customers. If they'd have waited until they got confirmation of their allocations they wouldn't be having to break promises to customers.
I'll be the first in line to criticise GW if the pre-orders are a disaster tomorrow and sell out within minutes but I think we need to wait and see how it goes before jumping all over them. If you're really desperate to have a go at GW the app they announced yesterday is a pretty good punching bag.
harlokin wrote: No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....
Oh that is an big over exegeration.
I think he's cracking a joke - it is clearly hyperbole for a laugh
ScarletRose wrote: Dicehead just cancelled all reservations for the box set.
Seems like GW really gakked the bed on this one. I doubt I'm going to find any other preorder availability anywhere else.
So I guess they don't get my money for now.
That seems hard to believe they have no allocation. I see no mention of this on twitter or facebook?
I literally just got the email before posting. I'm guessing it went out to those who were on the reservation list already.
I'll copy/paste it into a spoiler because it's long
Spoiler:
INDOMITUS BOXED SET HEAVILY ALLOCATED LAST MINUTE BY GAMES WORKSHOP - ALL RESERVE ORDERS HAVE BEEN CANCELLED. PLEASE READ BELOW.
I am writing to inform you that Games Workshop has reduced EVERY single Game Store’s allocations of Indomitus in the country by drastic numbers including ours at well over 75% of our initial order commitment, putting most of their retail partners in very unpleasant situations this evening.
Last week, we were made to make decisions to spend tens of thousands of dollars (almost $30k in our case) on this release with less than a 24 hour notice, telling us that we had to give our totals by end of day and that we could not reduce those totals, only add to them because we would get what we committed to that day. It is a normal GW practice to put us in these preorder situations but they seldom ever (actually none that I can remember in my last 22 years of business with them) go back on those numbers once we commit.
At that time we reached out to you to offer the reserve list with the confidence that we would have the total that we had been made to commit to. From there, I spent hours and money organizing and preparing for this release that will now be a small fraction of what it could have been for us and for you, our customers.
Whether it be bad management of resources, someone misreading the numbers, "miscommunication" (the likely excuse… err… reason), an inability to meet demand to their retailers (mind you there will be plenty on their own webstore come Saturday) or, just plain old fashioned greed, whatever the reason, once again GW bites the hand that feeds them - their local retail stores - the people who work to promote their products through events, workshops and doing all the work keeping the community involved in their games for them.
With all of that said, I sincerely hate to inform you that DICEHEAD.COM will not have a single copy of Indomitus available to any of our online customers.
I HATE, absolutely HATE, not being able to fulfill a promise to a customer – one of my top business rules is "Never tell a customer you will do something for them and not do it." I wish other companies lived by the same standards, but today, it is what it is and I cannot sell what I do not have.
Please accept my sincere apologies and I hope you are able to find a copy of Indomitus this weekend.
We will have the Chapter Approved books in the webstore but that will be about it for this release as GW has also allocated everything else in this initial release to levels that we cannot offer them online as well either.
Sincerely,
- An extremely disappointed and frustrated Shane and Dicehead Team
Well, that's got me sending a message to the LGS I was planning on ordering one copy from to see how they're doing.
Don't forget a good number of people double order at different stores. So some stores might have a lot of orders on book, but some will not turn up for those orders. They will have got it elsewhere already and will cancel. "free" "intent to buy" registrations are the same. Some people will get to tomorrow and had a bill they have to pay instead or have a rethink and realise that they don't really want it all etc....
Again we won't know the lay of the land until things actually happen.
harlokin wrote: No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....
Oh that is an big over exegeration.
I think he's cracking a joke - it is clearly hyperbole for a laugh
Oh sorry then. I am the model for a person at not understanding jokes at sarcams. My bad.
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Tfw you're having a very normal one over a company that makes toys not having functionally infinite manufacturing capacity.
Except underproducing is gw's choice.
Ah, you were in that meeting, were you?
So how come they always sell out and never produce more?
You think they have capability to produce only certain time and after that literally cannot produce more?
Either they literally cannot produce after period or they have certain number they want to produce. First case you are right(so explain how they can only produce certain time), second i am and they have set amount they intend to produce. And if it's set amount they could be producing even 2 months from now to meet the amount.
Since production of box is hardly time limited and they can produce more any time they wish answer is they have decided to produce x. And either that x is less than demand or there won't be no stock issue because even if they can only produce x kit per day it doesn't matter as gw can simply produce it sufficient amount.
But gw doesn't do that with limited edition boxes. Generally because those are more cost effective for players. Gw will rather sell majority as bigger profit margin for them
harlokin wrote: No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....
Oh that is an big over exegeration.
I think he's cracking a joke - it is clearly hyperbole for a laugh
Oh sorry then. I am the model for a person at not understanding jokes at sarcams. My bad.
No problem, sure no one is going to torch you for misunderstanding a joke... though sometimes around here, I dunno. Just wanted to clarify so more people didn't think he was being serious. It is pretty obvious to me, but I guess there is some room there for misinterpretation.
Now, back to grabbing pitchforks and torches... we got a GW-burning to attend!
harlokin wrote: No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....
You forgot giving a 2-week lead time on pre-orders instead of 1... you know... so that they could sell those ten copies faster.
I have no idea if supply is going to match demand, but basically... the only way GW loses money is if it cannot match that demand. Short-selling the box to you guys on purpose has no financial benefit to the company.
Can they produce enough to meet the ravenous appetite of the dakka community? I dunno. I doubt saying they have a stock of 100 million copies would be enough to placate some people. But to say there is some nefarious conspiracy to take the box out of your hands and make you pay $500 on ebay... I think this is a bit conspiratorial.
Also, a lot of the measures lately seems to be aimed at getting more sales through their website instead of through the brick-and-mortar supply chain. They make a ton more money that way than they do selling it for half price to your FLGS. I'd be more upset about that push than anything. And it actually makes sense.
They could. Maybe not on release day but they could always produce more if they wished. They don't.
As for why? Notice how many models that box has? You can bet you don't get rulebook plus those for even close to 125 pounds...
Gw shortsell discount boxes to sell most of stuff for bigger profit margin.
harlokin wrote: No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....
You forgot giving a 2-week lead time on pre-orders instead of 1... you know... so that they could sell those ten copies faster.
I have no idea if supply is going to match demand, but basically... the only way GW loses money is if it cannot match that demand. Short-selling the box to you guys on purpose has no financial benefit to the company.
Can they produce enough to meet the ravenous appetite of the dakka community? I dunno. I doubt saying they have a stock of 100 million copies would be enough to placate some people. But to say there is some nefarious conspiracy to take the box out of your hands and make you pay $500 on ebay... I think this is a bit conspiratorial.
Also, a lot of the measures lately seems to be aimed at getting more sales through their website instead of through the brick-and-mortar supply chain. They make a ton more money that way than they do selling it for half price to your FLGS. I'd be more upset about that push than anything. And it actually makes sense.
They could. Maybe not on release day but they could always produce more if they wished. They don't.
As for why? Notice how many models that box has? You can bet you don't get rulebook plus those for even close to 125 pounds...
Gw shortsell discount boxes to sell most of stuff for bigger profit margin.
Which is probably why they want to keep it out of the hands of local stores. If they're selling it for $200 to us, they're selling it for $100 to the stores. Their profits are probably in the garbage, if they're not upside down, for the set and they're more likely trying to drive commerce to their website where they can sell the full box for $200.
I don't think this is about selling 10 boxes at a premium, I think this is about selling a million units from their commerce site instead of at 50% off to distributors.
So how come they always sell out and never produce more?
You think they have capability to produce only certain time and after that literally cannot produce more?
Either they literally cannot produce after period or they have certain number they want to produce. First case you are right(so explain how they can only produce certain time), second i am and they have set amount they intend to produce. And if it's set amount they could be producing even 2 months from now to meet the amount.
Since production of box is hardly time limited and they can produce more any time they wish answer is they have decided to produce x. And either that x is less than demand or there won't be no stock issue because even if they can only produce x kit per day it doesn't matter as gw can simply produce it sufficient amount.
But gw doesn't do that with limited edition boxes. Generally because those are more cost effective for players. Gw will rather sell majority as bigger profit margin for them
Because GW doesn't have unlimited production capacity? As it stands, GW runs their production machines 24/7. When would you like them to interrupt their producing of the thousands of SKUs to send to stores and sell themselves to reprint a bunch of the new starter? Its a cost benefit analysis. If they re-ran the starter after it sold out, people would complain they couldn't get their Primaris Lieutenant or their floaty grav tank thingy because its out of stock.
Indomitus probably will sell out quickly - between direct sales and any stores that are open trying to get the maximum number they can, you can bet they'll be gone. Keep in mind that some of those stores (and people) will buy multiples to resell on ebay, its not just scalpers, but stores who will re-sell at inflated prices as well.
GW was supposed to have expanded their warehouses, which I took to mean their production capacity, but I also guess that Covid has delayed the impact of those moves. Nothing is running on all cylinders at the moment.
Would you rather GW didn't roll out Indomitus and 9th edition until all the dust has settled? That's the other option.
They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.
Many people getting more than one box will be selling 2/3rds of the content - ergo one half of the army and a rulebook. There will also be a good number selling both sets of models and just getting the book.
UK side I'd wager we'll see models at £60 for a set so at those kind of prices the rulebook is basically free and I doubt you'd have any trouble selling the Marine nor Necron parts on. So its a very "safe" way that iwll inflate store sales, but will be soaked up with increased ebay/facebook/forum supply.
Heck I'm toying with the idea of getting two sets - swap one marine half for necrons and then sell the other marine and rulebook giving me 3 sets of necron content. At the same time I'm putting back into the pool a rulebook and a set of marines for others to pick up.
tneva82 wrote: They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.
Whilst it might take a year or two to make a model from design to plastic you're vastly overestimating the amount of time GW is going to sit in products in storage. Why would they spend 3 years producing stock for something? That's an insane volume of stock not to mention a vast amount of warehouse space they'd have to set aside.
tneva82 wrote: They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.
You realise the various parts of this box haven't existed for anything close to 3 years, right? We know from playtester's comments they were still working on finalising the rulebook around December/January and who knows when they decided exactly what the contents of the box was going to be in terms of models. Thinking they had 3 years to produce this is delusional in the extreme.
Models, from what people said in interviews often exist a lot sooner then rules. But lets say they even started to do their boxs 12 months ago, and some of the time got lost because of corona. It still makes no sense from GW perspective to over produce, any unit that does not sell is a double lose, triple if it has to be stored. So it is better for GW to, according to their sells analytics, under produce and always sell everything or almost everything.
The rarity aspect is just a bonus here. The real meat of the thing is that the company doesn't lose money on stuff that doesn't sell. So even if they do something like the double eldar box, the loses are managable or just pushed on to the stores.
Lets also remember that far as we know no model TYPE from the set is unique to this set. There might be some that are unique in specific sculpt as push fit (eg if you compare the 4 leg walker for the Necrons the version with the reanimation beams in the box has very different legs to the version with the cannon on its back); but in general no model type is unique to the set.
If you fail to get a copy of it or the rules the only thing you lose out on is the release date (when you get it) and the price saving. The actual models will be on general retail sale with GW making new stock of them on a rolling nature - ergo replacing when they run out as best they can. So if you miss out all you're really missing out on is discount price not the actual ability to buy adn field those models in your armies.
tneva82 wrote: They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.
Whilst it might take a year or two to make a model from design to plastic you're vastly overestimating the amount of time GW is going to sit in products in storage. Why would they spend 3 years producing stock for something? That's an insane volume of stock not to mention a vast amount of warehouse space they'd have to set aside.
Ummm who is sayikg anything about spending 3 years building stock? I'm talking about producing after launch date. You know what they normally do? Il tf they didn't you could no longer buy sisters of battle anymore.
Come launch day they sell out. They could easily produce more. Or do you claim they throw files and moulds away? Only thing stopping production is gw themselves. And why? Same reason they always do this with discount boxes. If they met demand would cripple sales of full price kits.
tneva82 wrote: They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.
You realise the various parts of this box haven't existed for anything close to 3 years, right? We know from playtester's comments they were still working on finalising the rulebook around December/January and who knows when they decided exactly what the contents of the box was going to be in terms of models. Thinking they had 3 years to produce this is delusional in the extreme.
Right. Gw throws files etc away so for next 3 years until 10th edition they never ever can produce more even if they wanted.
You realize how silly that sounds?
Only reason stopping gw from producing more next 3 years(starting now) is gw itself. They CHOSE to produce certain amount and no more period. Gw could use next 3 years producing as demand is. But choose not. Because it's discount box and want to sell assault intercessors, skorpik lords etc at full price as well.
tneva82 wrote: They don't have unlimited production capacity but have years to produce. You don't need unlimited amount produced in day when you can produce 3 years if there's demand. But instead they choose to produce less than demand to sell kits at higher profit.
You know what they normally do? Il tf they didn't you could no longer buy sisters of battle anymore.
This isn't how production or manufacturing works, GW doesn't produce *anything* continuously for 3 years, even the kits that aren't limited are produced in batch runs over a relatively short period of time and then rotated out to a different product. This is why periodically a box of intercessors or hellblasters or whatever will be seemingly sold out everywhere from time to time. GW pumps out say 100,000 boxes of those Sisters of Battle and might not produce another box for another 2-3 years before they get back to them.
But lets say they even started to do their boxs 12 months ago, and some of the time got lost because of corona.
This is being generous, in all likelihood the boxes didn't even exist 6 months ago, let alone 12. GW doesn't have a very large warehousing capacity, they aren't sitting on product for months (let alone years). They are printing x many copies in as short of a time period as possible and shipping it out the door the day after they finish, and then moving on to the next product. Almost every new release you buy on day 1 was probably only produced about 8-12 weeks before it showed up in your stores.
Something may be afoot? Strictly an anecdote for now.
Goblin Gaming on Facebook wrote: INDOMITUS PREORDER NOTICE: Please note that we will be selling the new preorder in two waves. The first wave of 300 copies will be shipping for release on the 25th of July.
There will be a second chance to order if you miss out on these, and a SECOND WAVE preorder will be available to those who missed out on the first ones. This preorder will not ship until LATE AUGUST.
We will limit ALL CUSTOMERS to one copy each if you attempt to order more your order will be cancelled.
Sorry for any confusion this causes, we are trying to work with Games Workshop to meet this extraordinary demand.
Could very well be GW are gearing up for a further print run? As I said, anecdotal for now. But felt it worth drawing to attention.
Haha all the people at the start of this thread furiously claiming it would never sell out and the stock would be plentiful how foolish they look now. GW have really **** the bed on this one. What an absolute travesty brand new edition and most people and stores even cant get the starter set. What an absolute joke. So anti consumer just a pure money grab. Of course GW could have produced more of these sets they simply have decided it's not worth it at the discount they are offering.
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Yea nothing like a pandemic going on coupled with really popular models in a wildly inexpensive box. Maybe GW should have charged $300. Would that make people feel better?
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Yea nothing like a pandemic going on coupled with really popular models in a wildly inexpensive box. Maybe GW should have charged $300. Would that make people feel better?
I don't think anything would make some people feel better, it's cool to hate
Icegoat wrote: Haha all the people at the start of this thread furiously claiming it would never sell out and the stock would be plentiful how foolish they look now. GW have really **** the bed on this one. What an absolute travesty brand new edition and most people and stores even cant get the starter set. What an absolute joke. So anti consumer just a pure money grab. Of course GW could have produced more of these sets they simply have decided it's not worth it at the discount they are offering.
Go look up Dicehead on Google Maps. Go look at their actual location.
Then come back and continue this conversation like a grown-up, because there is no way, shape, or form that it is acceptable that they were realistically expecting to get $30,000 US dollars worth of product for the launch day. There is physically no way, shape, or form that a shop in Memphis Tennessee was going to sell that much physically--even if we weren't in the middle of the COVID19 nonsense.
I got a further email from DarkSphere to say they're expecting another wave sometime in August, and that I am on a list to be able to order 1 of those boxes. So I assume they're making some more?
Daedalus81 wrote: Yea nothing like a pandemic going on coupled with really popular models in a wildly inexpensive box. Maybe GW should have charged $300. Would that make people feel better?
You're really going to try and blame shortages of this box on COVID and popularity?
Daedalus81 wrote: Yea nothing like a pandemic going on coupled with really popular models in a wildly inexpensive box. Maybe GW should have charged $300. Would that make people feel better?
You're really going to try and blame shortages of this box on COVID and popularity?
Ah, yes. I forgot my script. It's the evil greedy company. Not the tiny stores running huge eBay operations undercutting FLGS stores who are unable to sell at a discount.
Platuan4th wrote: One of my local stores that orders direct from GW said yesterday that they were only being allocated 45 max and not to take more pre-orders.
30 minutes ago, they were informed by GW that now they were getting more than that.
There's a phrase about sorting out a drinking session in a venue which manufacturers alcoholic beverages which springs to mind right about now...
If there aren't enough, they'll be making more. It sounds like some stores have already got indications that there'll be a second wave coming a few weeks later.
Platuan4th wrote: One of my local stores that orders direct from GW said yesterday that they were only being allocated 45 max and not to take more pre-orders.
30 minutes ago, they were informed by GW that now they were getting more than that.
There's a phrase about sorting out a drinking session in a venue which manufacturers alcoholic beverages which springs to mind right about now...
Do share. As someone who doesn't imbibe, it's not a phrase I'm familiar with.
chaos0xomega wrote: manufacturing works, GW doesn't produce *anything* continuously for 3 years, even the kits that aren't limited are produced in batch runs over a relatively short period of time and then rotated out to a different product. This is why periodically a box of intercessors or hellblasters or whatever will be seemingly sold out everywhere from time to time. GW pumps out say 100,000 boxes of those Sisters of Battle and might not produce another box for another 2-3 years before they get back to them.
And same can't be done with this box...why?
You seriously trying to claim gw has lost all means to produce box more regardless of whether they want it or not? Don"t you realize how silly that sounds?
Either they literally cannot produce more no matter what or they have limited production run to x. In first case # is matter of production capacity. How much they managed to produce before they lost cabability to produce more. Second case it's matter of gw limiting numbers on how much they want to sell discount box.
Edit: and seems gw is doing second print run. So again as i said. Gw decision, not production capability. They can keep doing more copies as long as demand is there and will is there for gw.
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Icegoat wrote: Haha all the people at the start of this thread furiously claiming it would never sell out and the stock would be plentiful how foolish they look now. GW have really **** the bed on this one. What an absolute travesty brand new edition and most people and stores even cant get the starter set. What an absolute joke. So anti consumer just a pure money grab. Of course GW could have produced more of these sets they simply have decided it's not worth it at the discount they are offering.
Eeh...this...is...not...starter...set. this was said from get go by gw to be limited launch set. Actual starter set(likely worse discount) comes later.
Its starring the new edition contains the rulebook and has two push fit brand new armies. It's some sort of set and anyone remotely Invested in 40k is looking to buy a copy. I'm going to enjoy seeing the 'starter set' that comes after it. All of GW rhetoric on the community website points to this selling out instantly. They are clearly already managing expectations. Because they know what they are doing is predatory and malicious.
Icegoat wrote: Haha all the people at the start of this thread furiously claiming it would never sell out and the stock would be plentiful how foolish they look now. GW have really **** the bed on this one. What an absolute travesty brand new edition and most people and stores even cant get the starter set. What an absolute joke. So anti consumer just a pure money grab. Of course GW could have produced more of these sets they simply have decided it's not worth it at the discount they are offering.
Go look up Dicehead on Google Maps. Go look at their actual location.
Then come back and continue this conversation like a grown-up, because there is no way, shape, or form that it is acceptable that they were realistically expecting to get $30,000 US dollars worth of product for the launch day. There is physically no way, shape, or form that a shop in Memphis Tennessee was going to sell that much physically--even if we weren't in the middle of the COVID19 nonsense.
That's only 150 boxes. And the GW North America Headquarters is in Memphis. It might be pretty popular around there. I don't have a problem thinking they could move that much product.
lurch wrote: Dicehead is in Cleveland TN, as someone from the Memphis area it would be nice to have another gaming store but alas not so.
Heh, I didn't look I just noticed his comment about Memphis. Im in Nashville myself, and between the shops here I don't think it would be a problem to move large amounts of product.
Icegoat wrote: Haha all the people at the start of this thread furiously claiming it would never sell out and the stock would be plentiful how foolish they look now. GW have really **** the bed on this one. What an absolute travesty brand new edition and most people and stores even cant get the starter set. What an absolute joke. So anti consumer just a pure money grab. Of course GW could have produced more of these sets they simply have decided it's not worth it at the discount they are offering.
Go look up Dicehead on Google Maps. Go look at their actual location.
Then come back and continue this conversation like a grown-up, because there is no way, shape, or form that it is acceptable that they were realistically expecting to get $30,000 US dollars worth of product for the launch day. There is physically no way, shape, or form that a shop in Memphis Tennessee was going to sell that much physically--even if we weren't in the middle of the COVID19 nonsense.
That's only 150 boxes. And the GW North America Headquarters is in Memphis. It might be pretty popular around there. I don't have a problem thinking they could move that much product.
Trade accounts get a discounted price for their orders. It's somewhere in the realm of 40-50% off the products.
So no. It isn't 150 boxes.
And even then, 150 boxes is not even remotely acceptable for launch weekend for a shop that is closed to foot traffic.
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lurch wrote: Dicehead is in Cleveland TN, as someone from the Memphis area it would be nice to have another gaming store but alas not so.
That's my bad. I don't know why I wrote Memphis.
Still does not change the fact that this much product is not even remotely appropriate for a single shop to be allocated. GW shops themselves will maybe get 15-20 and any preorders that are made via them are allocated from the webstore stock.
Icegoat wrote: Haha all the people at the start of this thread furiously claiming it would never sell out and the stock would be plentiful how foolish they look now. GW have really **** the bed on this one. What an absolute travesty brand new edition and most people and stores even cant get the starter set. What an absolute joke. So anti consumer just a pure money grab. Of course GW could have produced more of these sets they simply have decided it's not worth it at the discount they are offering.
Go look up Dicehead on Google Maps. Go look at their actual location.
Then come back and continue this conversation like a grown-up, because there is no way, shape, or form that it is acceptable that they were realistically expecting to get $30,000 US dollars worth of product for the launch day. There is physically no way, shape, or form that a shop in Memphis Tennessee was going to sell that much physically--even if we weren't in the middle of the COVID19 nonsense.
That's only 150 boxes. And the GW North America Headquarters is in Memphis. It might be pretty popular around there. I don't have a problem thinking they could move that much product.
Trade accounts get a discounted price for their orders. It's somewhere in the realm of 40-50% off the products.
So no. It isn't 150 boxes.
And even then, 150 boxes is not even remotely acceptable for launch weekend for a shop that is closed to foot traffic.
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lurch wrote: Dicehead is in Cleveland TN, as someone from the Memphis area it would be nice to have another gaming store but alas not so.
That's my bad. I don't know why I wrote Memphis.
Still does not change the fact that this much product is not even remotely appropriate for a single shop to be allocated. GW shops themselves will maybe get 15-20 and any preorders that are made via them are allocated from the webstore stock.
1) How the hell do you know what's an appropriate amount for this shop? Or for any other that you're not running?
What's that? You're going to complain that they sell on EBay etc? So what. Since the sun rose on this century it's been hammered home that if your in retail, you have to embrace on-line sales options. But then people like you bitch when that lesson is applied.
2) Well according to their FB page they're open right now, Noon-7pm Tue-Thur/Sat & Noon-9pm Fri. Just how sure are you that they aren't open to foot traffic?
So if this place thought they could move $30k worth of product? More power to them & Good Luck.
ccs wrote: 1) How the hell do you know what's an appropriate amount for this shop? Or for any other that you're not running?
What's that? You're going to complain that they sell on EBay etc? So what. Since the sun rose on this century it's been hammered home that if your in retail, you have to embrace on-line sales options. But then people like you bitch when that lesson is applied.
2) Well according to their FB page they're open right now, Noon-7pm Tue-Thur/Sat & Noon-9pm Fri. Just how sure are you that they aren't open to foot traffic?
So if this place thought they could move $30k worth of product? More power to them & Good Luck.
GW has a clear incentive to take care of FLGS's even at the expense of online stores because if all the brick and mortars close down a lot of people don't have a place to play, at which point they stop buying models entirely. So yes, they are right from both a capitalism and a human decency perspective to limit the product online stores can sell.
harlokin wrote: No company in the history of the world has ever treated customers as badly as GW. I knew years ago that GW were sabotaging their own Indomitus production so that only royalty would be able to get the boxes. Their conspiracy to make only ten boxes for the entire world will net them billions more than if they'd made as many copies as they could reasonably manufacture/store/distribute....
Bank of America forclosed on houses that had already been fully paid off, because keeping track of paperwork is hard. United Fruit Company tried to overthrow a government.
GW is not perfect, but overreacting and hyperbole don't do any good.
1) How the hell do you know what's an appropriate amount for this shop? Or for any other that you're not running?
What's that? You're going to complain that they sell on EBay etc? So what. Since the sun rose on this century it's been hammered home that if your in retail, you have to embrace on-line sales options. But then people like you bitch when that lesson is applied.
Because I have an actual head on my shoulders and can do basic math?
There is no way, shape, or form that $30k worth of Indomitus sets is appropriate for any venue that isn't a freaking convention that's booked solid with just40k players as just an opening weekend for the new edition.
For the people in the back:
Assume a 45% discount for a trade account:
$199*.45=$89.55
199-89.55=109.45
So they pay $109.45/Indomitus.
Now take that 30,000/109.45.
That gets you 274(rounded down) sets.
Now tell me again why you think that's reasonable for week one for a hole in the wall shop?
2) Well according to their FB page they're open right now, Noon-7pm Tue-Thur/Sat & Noon-9pm Fri. Just how sure are you that they aren't open to foot traffic?
"Foot traffic" means people walking in and out browsing. Sorry, I should have made that more clear to the haters in the back. Because that's the kind of thing that can motivate these weirder purchases.
So if this place thought they could move $30k worth of product? More power to them & Good Luck.
Cool, so screw everywhere else then?
Because really, where do you think all of those sets are coming from? The pool of sets allocated for independents.
The two stores I use have both sold out, both within about 5 minutes of pre-orders going up. One of those stores had a 1 per person limitation as well.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The two stores I use have both sold out, both within about 5 minutes of pre-orders going up. One of those stores had a 1 per person limitation as well.
It can't be pre-ordered from the GW Australia website anymore. Not sure if it sold out in 5 minutes but otherwise icegoat was pretty accurate in their assessment.
Heard cutting # stores receive was not due to stock but because stores already took preorders for them and even faciliating splitting boxes. Both being against trade terms.
Did any store that did not allocate preorders get # cut?
Thanks to this thread I checked in on my *very* local nerd store and they indeed had an inofficial preorder list. Out of 15 ordered Monday they had 6 left, so I ordered there instead of online. Even if they only get 10 I should be safe that way. And they have 15% off over 100€ I think.
Looking at the sprues I guess they will release a box sans the 4 single sprues for characters as a non-limited version. If not, they'd have to release SCs based on the contents pretty fast or have a ton of characters unavailable. Unit kits will probably drop soon. The Primaris at least I find the whole limited thing a bit stupid, both as a customer and from a business PoV - as if a new boxed set wouldn't sell like hotcakes, anyway - but besides walking across the street from work it doesn't affect me. Probably.
Now tell me again why you think that's reasonable for week one for a hole in the wall shop?
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Because they are also an online store? The 'big' online stores in the UK also all have actual retail locations, many of which are pretty small. they might not shift many copies locally but they could all shift that online.
I find it very hard to believe that GW wouldn't put out a standard availability starter box for this edition. I can see two possible reasons why they wouldn't have made a comment on any boxes beyond Indomitus.
1) The standard starter box is very similar to Indomitus but priced similar to Dark Imperium and they were worried the standard box would cannibalize sales of Indomitus.
2) Due to shutting down for Corona they weren't able to finish production of the planned release so they released only Indomitus (a limited special edition version of the starter box) in order to still meet their usual "big summer release" window.
I honestly think that 1 is the more likely option though seeing as Indomitus is launching alongside all of the usual support products (cards, accessories, objective markers) which probably means everything has been done for a while.
Or possible option 3) GW is going to try a bold new strategy of not having any easily accessible starter product this edition.
Or possible option 3) GW is going to try a bold new strategy of not having any easily accessible starter product this edition.
One problem with starter sets is they only have two armies in them. They are a fantastic deal, but you have two random armies in them. If you don't like either army they are useless; if you only like one you've got to find someone else to swap with which isn't always possible, esp if you're very new and just walked into the store. I also think that they help reinforce popularity in key armies like Marines that often feature which can be a detriment to sales of other armies.
Personally I could see GW introducing a starter pack of glue rules clippers etc... - ergo one stop purchase that gives you all the tools to game with and then have people pick their "Getting Started" set from the army they want to play. That way you have a totally free for all open starting setup. You can go for ANY army and you don't have to split it with someone else. You aren't "limited" to just one of two armies either.
tneva82 wrote: Heard cutting # stores receive was not due to stock but because stores already took preorders for them and even faciliating splitting boxes. Both being against trade terms.
Did any store that did not allocate preorders get # cut?
The store I mentioned earlier was allocating preorders and had their order number UPPED by GW after being informed originally they'd only get 45. GW doesn't care if they're doing it as long as sales happen.
Personally I could see GW introducing a starter pack of glue rules clippers etc... - ergo one stop purchase that gives you all the tools to game with and then have people pick their "Getting Started" set from the army they want to play. That way you have a totally free for all open starting setup. You can go for ANY army and you don't have to split it with someone else. You aren't "limited" to just one of two armies either.
that and two start collecting sets is way more than a starter set though. GW needs a cheap intro option for people who know nothing about 40k and don't have others to play with
Jack Flask wrote: Or possible option 3) GW is going to try a bold new strategy of not having any easily accessible starter product this edition.
I've heard second hand rumours from two distinct FLGS owners exactly this. Apparently there won't be a classic starter set with two large forces and the BRB but only two smaller ones, like Know No Fear and First Strike.
It seems that the large starter set like Dark Imperium was bought mainly by experienced hobbyists while new ones stick to either the two small ones or the various Start Collecting boxes for their chosen armies.
Just over ten minutes to go before orders can be placed here in Sweden. Looks like the stores here are expecting many orders for this, hope I manage to snag one. The clock is ticking! I better make some more tea.
Even GW store managers don't get much if any heads up ahead of gamers either.
That said I can see logic in it. Experienced players already know the pathways to split joint army boxed sets. Sure its a pain but they know how to do it and are more prepared. A newbie its actually introducing a hassle into the getting started phase of the game - a point in time when you want the least amount of hassle for them.
GW is already making more "push fit" getting started sets like the new Slaves to Darkness to make it even easier to get an army together where you don't even need glue. Just mash the plastic together and you can play a few games within 5 mins of opening the box.
Removing the need to join with a friend or limiting you to two armies for a whole edition etc... makes sense as a marketing move; esp as the old "Battallions" which were once marketed as army expansion sets; are now "Getting Started" sets for the same price (or near enough) and are marketed as where to begin.
redbristles wrote: The UKGW website updated at 09:55, which is a bit naughty, but I managed to get one from there. Hope everyone else is lucky!
Yeah, I saw that and managed to get the items in my shopping cart but then the site got overloaded. Eventually managed to complete the checkout process almost 10 minutes later. Now we'll wait and see how long it takes for them to sell out.
Overread wrote: Firestorm games - dead
Wayland games - dead
Element games - dead
GW - random maintenance modes several times during order
Order placed at GW and listed as processing and no email confirmation sent as yet - panic mode HIGH!
Ditto.
Order submitted. Payment authorised. Webpage returned to GW ... "Web site down for maintenance". Credit card was charged, order not confirmed, items were still in my cart (though by 10:13am had all sold out), so not sure if I've missed out - but definitely been charged !
Took me 15 minutes but I managed to do it. Getting the card through was a nightmare with all the crashes. (All operations over 100€ usually require a code sent by SMS)
And yes, confirmation email took more than comfortable time to arrive
And it's out of stock. What a surprise A two week pre order window and its already out of stock. Disgraceful. Once again GW aids and abets the scalpers and leaves hard working loyal customers empty handed. Truly the most slimy and money grabbing launch ive ever seen.
Icegoat wrote: And it's out of stock. What a surprise A two week pre order window and its already out of stock. Disgraceful. Once again GW aids and abets the scalpers and leaves hard working loyal customers empty handed. Truly the most slimy and money grabbing launch ive ever seen.
See that?
Spoiler:
That’s still you, that is.
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kingheff wrote: Several reloads during the process but got my box, including my vouchers meant I effectively paid £115 so pretty happy.
The spanish GW site has still both spanish and english Indomitus. I waited 5 minutes for some UK sites but after that I ordered it from a spanish one that went out of pre-orders at 20 so I'm sorted out. Lets wait and see.
Icegoat wrote: And it's out of stock. What a surprise A two week pre order window and its already out of stock. Disgraceful. Once again GW aids and abets the scalpers and leaves hard working loyal customers empty handed. Truly the most slimy and money grabbing launch ive ever seen.
So what you're saying is this is the first 40K Edition preorder you've been through?
Icegoat wrote: And it's out of stock. What a surprise A two week pre order window and its already out of stock. Disgraceful. Once again GW aids and abets the scalpers and leaves hard working loyal customers empty handed. Truly the most slimy and money grabbing launch ive ever seen.
See that?
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kingheff wrote: Several reloads during the process but got my box, including my vouchers meant I effectively paid £115 so pretty happy.
Vouchers?
I think he means the £50 get 5 free vouchers that GW did during the early month of lockdown.
Galas wrote: The spanish GW site has still both spanish and english Indomitus. I waited 5 minutes for some UK sites but after that I ordered it from a spanish one that went out of pre-orders at 20 so I'm sorted out. Lets wait and see.
Wow I didn't see any english option. I bought it off in Spanish because it was the only option I got.
This is a 2 wave release, the first batch of stock will be available for the release date of the 25th July, the second is due to arrive in late August. You will be informed which wave your order is as soon as we can.
Don't panic guys. It looks like GW is not gonna make just one wave of this.
Icegoat wrote: And it's out of stock. What a surprise A two week pre order window and its already out of stock. Disgraceful. Once again GW aids and abets the scalpers and leaves hard working loyal customers empty handed. Truly the most slimy and money grabbing launch ive ever seen.
I mean, they limited how many one person could buy, and then subsequently halved that number to avoid scalping. What more do you want? They sold out, which is a shame for those who didn't get one, sure, but I don't think they did it out of malice. It's nice that a company is doing well in these awful times for once in my opinion.
Don't forget GW will have held stock for physical release in their shops as well so there might still be some hope there if you pester your local manager
This is a 2 wave release, the first batch of stock will be available for the release date of the 25th July, the second is due to arrive in late August. You will be informed which wave your order is as soon as we can.
Don't panic guys. It looks like GW is not gonna make just one wave of this.
Aye but that sounds like stores got X number of boxes delivered in 2 waves. Rather than two waves of separate orders. So it might be that even if you order today you couldbe in wave 2. That is unless Wayland has firm numbers on their allocation for the second wave.
This is a 2 wave release, the first batch of stock will be available for the release date of the 25th July, the second is due to arrive in late August. You will be informed which wave your order is as soon as we can.
Don't panic guys. It looks like GW is not gonna make just one wave of this.
A bit like the coronavirus!
Overread wrote:Don't forget GW will have held stock for physical release in their shops as well so there might still be some hope there if you pester your local manager
I rang the Dublin GW store and they were able to reserve a copy for me after it had sold out online. Just have to hope we don’t get locked down for months again!
Sigh. Was literally waiting by my laptop from 9am and saw the page refresh at 10 to make it available. Ended up with 2 copies in my basket due to the site running so slowly, and by the time I'd corrected it, it was gone.
Hopefully have got one through Element Games, but that seemed to drop off being available as my payment went through. No order confirmation email yet.
I wouldn't mind so much if not for the reassurances about 'we've made the most ever, and while it will be limited it will be around for a while'. Oh, and that my mate, who only knew when the pre-order opened because I told him, managed to get his...
Icegoat wrote: And it's out of stock. What a surprise A two week pre order window and its already out of stock. Disgraceful. Once again GW aids and abets the scalpers and leaves hard working loyal customers empty handed. Truly the most slimy and money grabbing launch ive ever seen.
This certainly was worse than the Shadow War Armageddon launch, which was as bad as I've ever seen.
Element Games pulled a fast one on a very loyal postage customer, only putting up the launch day box for local collection. They've lost my custom for good.
GW charged my card, but didn't take the order. Now I have to sweat it out to see if they will correct it (and have stock to do so!) once their settlement processes run (probably overnight).
Horla wrote: I rang the Dublin GW store and they were able to reserve a copy for me after it had sold out online. Just have to hope we don’t get locked down for months again!
At least in Germany the Mail Order offered me to redirect my order (which should arrive at the store) to my home address at no additional cost. Mail Order customer support are the same guys and girls for all of Europe, so I would be confident that they would offer that service in Dublin as well, if push comes to shove.
Either the interest here in the box is smaller or we got more stock, but 2 out of 3 sites (the 3rd being down constantly) still show that you can pre-order.
For my German fellas:
- Official GW website
- Taschengelddieb
Icegoat wrote: And it's out of stock. What a surprise A two week pre order window and its already out of stock. Disgraceful. Once again GW aids and abets the scalpers and leaves hard working loyal customers empty handed. Truly the most slimy and money grabbing launch ive ever seen.
This certainly was worse than the Shadow War Armageddon launch, which was as bad as I've ever seen.
It has been a fun ride, better for me than the sister box fiasco (I ordered it twice from element games and had to email them for a refund of one) but I'm getting old for this FOMO pre-order stuff. I have my confirmation email but I'm not even sure if I'll get one. Alas, alea iacta est
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Tfw you're having a very normal one over a company that makes toys not having functionally infinite manufacturing capacity.
...You do realize that we are in the middle of a global pandemic that has sickened 12 million people and killed nearly 550,000 more?
The initial release was set for three waves, then COVID-19 hit and it all got consolidated into one. I've heard stories of many stores COLLECTING MONEY for a boxset they can't even order yet and then pitching a fit about not being able to provide to the customers they've already collected money from.
Daedalus81 wrote: Yea nothing like a pandemic going on coupled with really popular models in a wildly inexpensive box. Maybe GW should have charged $300. Would that make people feel better?
You're really going to try and blame shortages of this box on COVID and popularity?
Yes. Since it was stated as such from GW themselves, that this was planned with three print runs and had to be the only two they could get, combined into one to get all of the product out...
Indomitus hasn't been sitting in a warehouse since January.
Icegoat wrote: And it's out of stock. What a surprise A two week pre order window and its already out of stock. Disgraceful. Once again GW aids and abets the scalpers and leaves hard working loyal customers empty handed. Truly the most slimy and money grabbing launch ive ever seen.
This certainly was worse than the Shadow War Armageddon launch, which was as bad as I've ever seen.
Element Games pulled a fast one on a very loyal postage customer, only putting up the launch day box for local collection. They've lost my custom for good.
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They handled it very badly. On the collection page if you scrolled down to the bottom it had a link to a delivery order page for the August release wave, that page is now showing sold out/this is only available to order direct from GW.
That said I think the majority of FLGS/Online retailers were screwed with their allocations, they were set up to fail.
I still think the best way to get a copy will be showing up at your local GW store on release day or hoping that a lot more copies are made in the future and are slowly shipped out to online retailers. This happened with the Sister's box last year.
a_typical_hero wrote:At least in Germany the Mail Order offered me to redirect my order (which should arrive at the store) to my home address at no additional cost. Mail Order customer support are the same guys and girls for all of Europe, so I would be confident that they would offer that service in Dublin as well, if push comes to shove.
Icegoat wrote: And it's out of stock. What a surprise A two week pre order window and its already out of stock. Disgraceful. Once again GW aids and abets the scalpers and leaves hard working loyal customers empty handed. Truly the most slimy and money grabbing launch ive ever seen.
This certainly was worse than the Shadow War Armageddon launch, which was as bad as I've ever seen.
End Times: Khaine sold out in ~3 minutes.
New Sisters was quicker.....I got mine as it became avaialble - a minute later and the site was crashing.
However Sisters was a special case for me - I said I would get them all and I have, pretty much anything else I won't bother anymore - a Genevieve or Amberely model however.....
Edit - what's more amazing is GW sold out of the limited edition rulebooks that were priced UK side at the same price as Indomitus. Which surprises me because darn that's a lot of money for sleeve and cover!
Icegoat wrote: And it's out of stock. What a surprise A two week pre order window and its already out of stock. Disgraceful. Once again GW aids and abets the scalpers and leaves hard working loyal customers empty handed. Truly the most slimy and money grabbing launch ive ever seen.
Lol. It's same as any limited edition set so if this was most guess you haven't seen any before. Seeing this lasted longer than several others
Dysartes wrote: Looks like I got a copy through my back-up LGS, after my primary one's website died at the stroke of 10am due to the level of F5 hammering going on.
Means a smaller discount, but better than nowt. At the time of writing, they still have about a dozen copies available to order.
Edit - what's more amazing is GW sold out of the limited edition rulebooks that were priced UK side at the same price as Indomitus. Which surprises me because darn that's a lot of money for sleeve and cover!
There's always small group of dedicated people or who have big enough salary they can afford it. Double my salary and i could afford it without worry as well and i wouldn't even be rich.
With just 2000 copies not too hard to sell out. You and me are not target market
Well, they called me and my order got cancelled so I bought one from patriotgames for 17€ more. Thats better than missing out I suppose, lets pray thats not also cancelled.
Well, that escalated quickly! I suppose I'll wait for the (hopefully) second wave or separate model kits, I've got plenty of backlog to build and paint and it's not like I'm going to be able to play a game anytime soon anyway
Galas wrote: Well, they called me and my order got cancelled so I bought one from patriotgames for 17€ more. Thats better than missing out I suppose, lets pray thats not also cancelled.
I spoke to one of the staff before placing my order there - the stock numbers on the website were live, and as far as he was aware had been updated in line with their allocation before it went live.
Icegoat wrote: This is an insanely horrific way to treat customers I knew months ago this would sell out we all did yet GW have done nothing to further production of indomitus and are very happy to once again fail 99% of the community for the 1% that does get this box. An absolute disgrace. Their lies about making loads of boxes can clearly be seen now. This will easily net them millions in profit but I hope the long term Ill will this generates finally has an impact and they stop these disgraceful anti consumer practices
Tfw you're having a very normal one over a company that makes toys not having functionally infinite manufacturing capacity.
...You do realize that we are in the middle of a global pandemic that has sickened 12 million people and killed nearly 550,000 more?
The initial release was set for three waves, then COVID-19 hit and it all got consolidated into one. I've heard stories of many stores COLLECTING MONEY for a boxset they can't even order yet and then pitching a fit about not being able to provide to the customers they've already collected money from.
Daedalus81 wrote: Yea nothing like a pandemic going on coupled with really popular models in a wildly inexpensive box. Maybe GW should have charged $300. Would that make people feel better?
You're really going to try and blame shortages of this box on COVID and popularity?
Yes. Since it was stated as such from GW themselves, that this was planned with three print runs and had to be the only two they could get, combined into one to get all of the product out...
Indomitus hasn't been sitting in a warehouse since January.
Even if this actually were the case.... GW can literally just make more.
COVID is a fun excuse for "BUY NOW OR MISS OUT! NOW! DON'T THINK! BUY!" of standard business marketing though. Cause it's not like they totally never ever did this before.
Actually GW can't just "make more". They can cast more plastic, but the rulebook, card insert and the packaging are all, far as I am aware, come from China. So if they did want to make more it would be in several months as a new shipment would have to come from China.
Plus don't forget time limited discount boxes have to balance being a great deal for customers against being a big hole in the manufacturers potential profits. Don't forget this box isn't getting them new customers its purely selling to existing customers. Customers who likely would have bought all that content at full retail price.
Yes a few might now be starting new armies but that's likely more just shifting their hobby money from one GW army to another.
Also don't forget until the release date we don't know the full lay of the land, it might be that come that date the secondhand market is glutted with options so that if you did miss out on the whole box you'll likely get the content then without much issue or price gouging.
You definitely get the impression that some people think GW can just press a button and starting Monday next week, their factories will churn out another 200.000 copies per day. And the only reason they don't do that is corporate greed
dadx6 wrote: I think we should all take a moment and meditate on how dead-nuts-accurate the OP was. Predicting the future is hard, and this bloke nailed it.
Seeing this happens reqularly with gw limited edition releases..not that hard. Actually he was off. Took 3x the time
At least at my local GW they said that GW had made an amount of indomitus sets equal to the amount of dark imperium sets sold in the first two months and that it still sold out within 15 minutes. So it is hardly a limited stock and more a matter of just how wildly popular the box is and how much the hobby has grown in the last three years.
Even with the pre-orders running out, the store would still be getting 50ish copies to sell on launch day that you could reserve in store.
a_typical_hero wrote: You definitely get the impression that some people think GW can just press a button and starting Monday next week, their factories will churn out another 200.000 copies per day. And the only reason they don't do that is corporate greed
Not 200k but if you think in next 3 years 9th ed is here gw couldn't make more if they wanted...it's basically no different to making new print runs of codexes and models which gw does all the time. Only difference is this is discount product.
But sure. Let's pretend gw could only make them for limited time and then magically lost ability. Would make gw uniquely stupid and amateur company.
It's laughable people still defend this horsegak. Everyone knows GW artificially limits stock to make things appear more exclusive. For 15+ years they never once had limited quantities of anything other than special army boxes but now nearly every fething release is limited and sells out within minutes of going up for pre-order, if not before.
Kayback wrote: I world say their FOMO campaign worked quite well.
Let's see what new boxes of units appear on the shelves in the next few weeks.
I'd say that the community hyping themselves into yet another frenzy of "THESE THINGS WON'T BE AVAILABLE ANYWHERE ELSE EVER!" and "OMFG THESE THINGS ARE BROKEN!" did the job better than GW ever could have.
Overread wrote: Actually GW can't just "make more". They can cast more plastic, but the rulebook, card insert and the packaging are all, far as I am aware, come from China. So if they did want to make more it would be in several months as a new shipment would have to come from China.
Plus don't forget time limited discount boxes have to balance being a great deal for customers against being a big hole in the manufacturers potential profits. Don't forget this box isn't getting them new customers its purely selling to existing customers. Customers who likely would have bought all that content at full retail price.
Yes a few might now be starting new armies but that's likely more just shifting their hobby money from one GW army to another.
Also don't forget until the release date we don't know the full lay of the land, it might be that come that date the secondhand market is glutted with options so that if you did miss out on the whole box you'll likely get the content then without much issue or price gouging.
Mate, they ain't losing a dime on this box.
You guys continue to have it backward. The "full price" expensive kits exist to get you to buy these bundles.
I didn't say that they can't make more, I only want to highlight that things are not as easy as some might believe.
There is not a factory which could produce every single part of the box (book, the box itself, the miniatures, dice, ...) standing still and empty just waiting for a call from Nottingham to start producing more.
Usually factories sell their capacity for a given time slot. And if you want to order something, you need to wait for a free slot / free capacity.
Even if you actually own that factory, you would have planned what they are going to produce in advance and switching around that plan might not be feasable or doable at the moment.
GW can make more of these boxes in the future and there are already hints for a second run in late August.
Not like in before with limited ed stuff people haven't been lining up on web page and when clock turns try to order only to see "sold out" oh no!
