Kanluwen wrote:

 BrokenRecord wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Blood Angels Rumors / Tyranid RumorsThe Spawn of Cryptus is a very large Broodlord towering over the height of warriors. Both the Spawn of Cryptus and Captian Karlean are new models.

I'm wondering if we already saw this special Broodlord here: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/11/news-more-images-of-new-broodlord.html

I have a hard time believing that since the Broodlord is on the cover of the Tyranid painting book--and they have not used "limited edition" products for those things. They had the opportunity to do so with Krom Dragongaze on Space Wolves and instead went for Logan Grimnar.

They're both HQs. Did the nids get a new HQ in plastic with their recent codex release or the mini-wave they had a few weeks ago? In the case of the SW codex, they just used the more physically imposing model.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, that's a far higher savings per side than the Storm Claw box set. Each side is getting the character for "free" and still getting a discount on the actual units. So basically it's over 50% off the contents of the box even before discounts. Interesting...

Yeah, if true, that box is an absolute steal.

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrokenRecord wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Blood Angels Rumors / Tyranid RumorsThe Spawn of Cryptus is a very large Broodlord towering over the height of warriors. Both the Spawn of Cryptus and Captian Karlean are new models.

I'm wondering if we already saw this special Broodlord here: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/11/news-more-images-of-new-broodlord.html

I have a hard time believing that since the Broodlord is on the cover of the Tyranid painting book--and they have not used "limited edition" products for those things. They had the opportunity to do so with Krom Dragongaze on Space Wolves and instead went for Logan Grimnar.

They're both HQs. Did the nids get a new HQ in plastic with their recent codex release or the mini-wave they had a few weeks ago? In the case of the SW codex, they just used the more physically imposing model.

I think you missed the point I was making.

In the case of both the Dark Eldar and Space Wolf paint books, they each had the opportunity for something that is contained within the book proper but not available as a general release item.
In the case of Dark Eldar there is a nicely converted Archon that gets shown a lot within the painting book. Yet he's not on the cover despite him and his Kabal taking up an inordinate amount of space within the book.
For Space Wolves, you had Logan Grimnar or Bjorn or the much sought after Krom Dragongaze(who arguably with Grukk Facerippa was a HUGE selling point for the Stormclaw box) models which could have been on the cover...yet, again they went with a general release item.

I have a very hard time believing that they're NOT going to release that Broodlord as an item by himself. For one thing, two of their best selling blisters for Tyranids(Zoanthropes and Venomthropes) are now gone with the plastic box coming out tomorrow. That leaves the Pyrovore, Biovore, and Broodlord models as blisters.
Out of all of those? Not a single one are stocked in a GW store.
It's not too farfetched to think that the Broodlord is going to be a new item that will be on general release.

I'm not missing the point but rather making a different one. You focused exclusively on that difference in availabilility and I pointed out a similarity.

Maybe they will release the broodlord as well as a general release item. Somethings are changing at GW if the rumors are to be believed like a return to softcover books as an option. I think it is a good idea to release the models normally after a certain exclusivity time like 6 months and I don't think it'll affect the sales of the boxed set too much. People will still want the savings on the kits (especially if they're splitting with friends) and the small format rulebook along with the two special minis.

I focused on "the difference in availability" because it is the single most important thing to take into account when you start looking at GW's thought process.

Natfka's next week rumor sources were pretty good lately. This is probably shown in the Nov 29th White Dwarf issue. Pics should be leaked soon (monday?)

 gorgon wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, that's a far higher savings per side than the Storm Claw box set. Each side is getting the character for "free" and still getting a discount on the actual units. So basically it's over 50% off the contents of the box even before discounts. Interesting...

Yeah, if true, that box is an absolute steal.

Which makes me inclined to disbelieve this rumor. GW doesn't do deals.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, that's a far higher savings per side than the Storm Claw box set. Each side is getting the character for "free" and still getting a discount on the actual units. So basically it's over 50% off the contents of the box even before discounts. Interesting...

Yeah, if true, that box is an absolute steal.

Which makes me inclined to disbelieve this rumor. GW doesn't do deals.

Except they do. Like the Stormclaw box before this one.

And the savings are quite similiar

Would be a bit sad though... limited edition broodlord...

I was kinda hoping for something more BA-y, with more jump infantry. A DC dreadnought would be cool though. The 5 DC might suffice.

 pretre wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, that's a far higher savings per side than the Storm Claw box set. Each side is getting the character for "free" and still getting a discount on the actual units. So basically it's over 50% off the contents of the box even before discounts. Interesting...

Yeah, if true, that box is an absolute steal.

Which makes me inclined to disbelieve this rumor. GW doesn't do deals.

Except they do. Like the Stormclaw box before this one.

The Stormclaw box was very good to me.

Well, assuming it's true (and no reason why it wouldn't), it's a nice box, but it once again leaves me wondering, why can't they just put a decent troop choice in these boxes?? I mean, the Stormclaw had no Ork Boyz at all, wtf? If this box had been done right, it would have been GREAT buy on top of the Space Hulk, which had Broodlord, Termies and Genestealers. But instead, this box gives us another Broodlord, more 'Stealers and Termies.

These boxes are a great idea and give decent savings, but the composition is just not useful for a starting player.

 gorgon wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, that's a far higher savings per side than the Storm Claw box set. Each side is getting the character for "free" and still getting a discount on the actual units. So basically it's over 50% off the contents of the box even before discounts. Interesting...

Yeah, if true, that box is an absolute steal.

Which makes me inclined to disbelieve this rumor. GW doesn't do deals.

Except they do. Like the Stormclaw box before this one.

The Stormclaw box was very good to me.

I made $3 off it and kept what I wanted.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I have a hard time believing that since the Broodlord is on the cover of the Tyranid painting book--and they have not used "limited edition" products for those things. They had the opportunity to do so with Krom Dragongaze on Space Wolves and instead went for Logan Grimnar.

These two things aren't related, and I doubt they put as much thought into it as you just did. They used Logan as he was a big flashy new model.

And they can put whatever they want on the front of a painting guide.

Think I'll pass on this one and it's contents from resellers. SH gives me all the BA Termies I need, I have way too many captains as it is, and at the moment, don't really need more Death Co. If I can get a squad super cheap on EBay, I might, but unlike Stormclaw, I won't regret not getting it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I have a hard time believing that since the Broodlord is on the cover of the Tyranid painting book--and they have not used "limited edition" products for those things. They had the opportunity to do so with Krom Dragongaze on Space Wolves and instead went for Logan Grimnar.

These two things aren't related, and I doubt they put as much thought into it as you just did. They used Logan as he was a big flashy new model.

And they can put whatever they want on the front of a painting guide.

Bjorn was a big shiny new model.
Murderfang was a big shiny new model.
Then there was the plastic Archon, Succubus, Wracks, etc for Dark Eldar...and they picked the Haemonculi.

So while I might have put more thought into it, they do have an established pattern.

The end result for me was with Stormclaw:
1x SW character
1x Ork character
1x Mini rulebook + campaign booklet
25x SW Terminators
50x SW Marines
25x Nobz
50x Gretchin
5x Ork herders
15x Killa Kans
cost €245

And I made some folks very happy with 'cheap' characters and mini rulebooks.

I suspect I'll order a ton of Deathstorm boxed sets!

Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

The contents of Stormclaw was horribly slanted pointwise and effectiveness wise towards space wolves.

I'm convinced the contents of these campaign boxes is to move overstock of the respective included factions.

 Kanluwen wrote:
So while I might have put more thought into it, they do have an established pattern.

And you should know by now that GW likes to change horses multiple times during every race, so saying they have a 'pattern' is folly.

New book may change something for BA perhaps? Nids sit at HQ, 2 Troops, and a HS with this set.

Of course, if Nafkta is right on this.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually.

They make perfect sense. Captain of 1st Company + Terminators, plus something key to the identity of the Blood Angels (Death Company), plus something big and stompy also flavoured to the Blood Angels (Dead Co. dread). Doesn't need to adhere to the FOC because:

1. The scenarios and formations in the booklet allow these units to be fielded as a single force.
2. You don't need to adhere to the FOC in regular 40K anyway 'cause of Unbound.

 adamsouza wrote:
The contents of Stormclaw was horribly slanted pointwise and effectiveness wise towards space wolves.

Always is. I don't think the Space Marines have ever come out on the wrong side of the power equation in a 40K boxed set. You can read my Dark Verngearnce Campaign. We played it out as written just to show how ridiculously unbalanced the lists were. Chaos only won a single scenario, lol.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually.

They make perfect sense. Captain of 1st Company + Terminators, plus something key to the identity of the Blood Angels (Death Company), plus something big and stompy also flavoured to the Blood Angels (Dead Co. dread). Doesn't need to adhere to the FOC because:

1. The scenarios and formations in the booklet allow these units to be fielded as a single force.
2. You don't need to adhere to the FOC in regular 40K anyway 'cause of Unbound.

Or, possibly...

3. Blood Angels 1st Capt has a USR that makes Terminators a troop choice (while it does seem FOC switches have disappeared since 7th, it can't be dismissed as impossible.)

If the rumours are right, the Blood Angels are getting a HQ, Elite and two Troops, perfectly legal CAD right there

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

It has 2. Death Company Dreadnought is a Troops choice.

 theharrower wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

It has 2. Death Company Dreadnought is a Troops choice.

Oh, ok then. I was not aware of that fact. I wonder if it is a DC dread only or if it is the full furioso set.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 theharrower wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

It has 2. Death Company Dreadnought is a Troops choice.

Oh, ok then. I was not aware of that fact. I wonder if it is a DC dread only or if it is the full furioso set.

its the full set

It would have to be. They're not gonna clip all the non-DC dread bits off the sprues so you can't use them.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

No, it's:

1x HQ (captain)
1x Elite (termies)
2x Troops (DC & DC Dread)

But if you get all the Dread sprues you could make a Furioso or Furioso Librarian (so another Elite).

The only thing is none of those units are objective secured until we get a new codex...

 pretre wrote:
Blood Angels Rumors / Tyranid Rumors - Nov 2014
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212 *****
two releases next week for 40k and the rest is hobbit and some bases.
Shield of Baal box set $125 25 miniatures, campaign supplement, and rules
Shield of Baal: Deasthstorm $24 hardback 125pgs

Contents of the box set
Small Rulebook with Blood Angels on Front
Campaign Supplement -40pages
3 missions, rules and dataslates for each model, two formations- Strike Force Deathstorm and Phodian Annihilation Swarm

Blood Angels Strike Force- 12 models
Captain Karlean, 5 terminators, 5 deasth company, and a death company dreadnought

Phodian Annihilation Swarm- 13 models


Spawn of Cryptus, 8 genestrealers, 3 warriors, and a carnifex

The Spawn of Cryptus is a very large Broodlord towering over the height of warriors. Both the Spawn of Cryptus and Captian Karlean are new models.

Thank all that is red and Sanguiniousy!! WOOT!!!

 madmitch411 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 theharrower wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

It has 2. Death Company Dreadnought is a Troops choice.

Oh, ok then. I was not aware of that fact. I wonder if it is a DC dread only or if it is the full furioso set.

its the full set

This makes it way more interesting. DC and Furioso boxes are amazing in terms of bits. With few bits bought separately you can easily complete a 2nd dread.

 valkyriePROfail wrote:

 madmitch411 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 theharrower wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

It has 2. Death Company Dreadnought is a Troops choice.

Oh, ok then. I was not aware of that fact. I wonder if it is a DC dread only or if it is the full furioso set.

its the full set

This makes it way more interesting. DC and Furioso boxes are amazing in terms of bits. With few bits bought separately you can easily complete a 2nd dread.

That is what I was hoping for. I am still disappointed by the Termies. I know they are fluffy when it comes to v. Tyranids, but I would rather have gotten either an assault squad or another squad of DC.

Any idea if the termies ir tac or assault? I really don't need more tac termies!

D

 LutherMax wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those contents don't really make sense, actually. It only has one troop choice. Stormclaw had the ability to field two troops on both sides. This one is two elites and one troop choice, at least in terms of BA.

No, it's:

1x HQ (captain)
1x Elite (termies)
2x Troops (DC & DC Dread)

But if you get all the Dread sprues you could make a Furioso or Furioso Librarian (so another Elite).

The only thing is none of those units are objective secured until we get a new codex...

The Death Company Dreadnought is objective secured.

Doesn't it specifically say currently that it can't ever be scoring?

 warboss wrote:
Doesn't it specifically say currently that it can't ever be scoring?

Nope,only Death Company have that due to their Black Rage special rule,the DC Dread just has Rage so he has OS

Any news about when the BA vs Tyranid figure box will be released?

Rumor is 3 weeks but it's not confirmed

 Jinx Magiga wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Doesn't it specifically say currently that it can't ever be scoring?

Nope,only Death Company have that due to their Black Rage special rule,the DC Dread just has Rage so he has OS

For now. As the book was written when vehicles couldn't score I could see them adding the same rule to the dread.

Newest Rumor pertaining to Blood Angels is that the Blood Angels 7th Edition Codex, whenever it is finally released, will eventually be reprinted in a lower priced softcover

and yeah, I have to agree that Death Company Dreads will probably lose objective secured if the new incarnation of Death Company loses it as well.

Last rumor i saw on release dates was that the boxed set will be spoiled/go up for preorder on the 29th and ship the 6th. So the codex will be released 1-3 weeks after that, probably.

 Eldarain wrote:

 Jinx Magiga wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Doesn't it specifically say currently that it can't ever be scoring?

Nope,only Death Company have that due to their Black Rage special rule,the DC Dread just has Rage so he has OS

For now. As the book was written when vehicles couldn't score I could see them adding the same rule to the dread.

Ah, that is it. I knew it wasn't scoring back when I played it in 5th for some reason. Thanks for the clarifications.

Expect to see "Cities of Death" cards at some point soon, as the Designer Notes in Leviathan specifically reference them.

I think that even if Death Company or Assault Marines wind up moving out of troops, it won't be a huge loss. Its likely the new BA codex will include a custom detachment similar to Wolves Unleashed or Champions of Fenriss that will alter the FOC to provide something useful as an alternative to Objective Secured and the ability to base an entire army around Assault Marines or Death Company.

I do not see them moving the RAS from troops slot. They did not change the SW Scouts from elites in their codex, and RAS Marines have been a troop choice for as long as I can remember.

 adamsouza wrote:
Newest Rumor pertaining to Blood Angels is that the Blood Angels 7th Edition Codex, whenever it is finally released, will eventually be reprinted in a lower priced softcover

and yeah, I have to agree that Death Company Dreads will probably lose objective secured if the new incarnation of Death Company loses it as well.

From the rumblings throughout the interwebs, this may transform into the new normal for codex releases - per the new CEO wanting to take new directions. OT, but I figured it was related.

Either way, I'm pretty stoked about the boxed set and the soon-to-be-revealed codex.

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
I do not see them moving the RAS from troops slot. They did not change the SW Scouts from elites in their codex, and RAS Marines have been a troop choice for as long as I can remember.

Not saying they will, just expect some kind of unique FOC option to make Assault Squads or Death Company viable. Perhaps Descent of Angels or Black Rage become detachment/formation rules or similar.

 Smitty wrote:

Spoiler:

How is this relevant to the Blood angels? Or the thread in general?

Wasn't there talk of Battle Sisters maybe being involved in a blood angels set?


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Or a campaign, to be precise?

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 Mr Morden wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Man this thread's just a bit off track...

Blame the Sisters. Everyone else does.

Note I specifically tried to start a thread to talk about the new pack and the Sisters involvement in it but this was locked and I was told to clutter up this thread and others instead............

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/623443.page

Check the tyranid and blood angel rumor threads. In the meantime, someone lock this thread please?

There was, I'm not crazy!

Appreciate the pics Smitty

Thanks, although I found it because someone on Facepunch posted it in the 40k thread.

There was never anything said about sisters being in the set, only that they were in the shield of baal books. But the artwork is amazing.

More and more, i'm thinking a Sisters Codex will be around the corner. New Sisters art simply for a campaign supplement? More likely in my mind that it was done for a codex down the road. Could Sisters be the codex release that will *shock* people?

Neronoxx wrote:

 Smitty wrote:

Spoiler:

How is this relevant to the Blood angels? Or the thread in general?

First off, thank you for spoilering it, Smitty. To answer Neronoxx's question, it looks like it is from the Baal campaign book that they just sold out of. It may not be directly relevant to the Blood Angels but it is peripherally related.

rollawaythestone wrote:
More and more, i'm thinking a Sisters Codex will be around the corner. New Sisters art simply for a campaign supplement? More likely in my mind that it was done for a codex down the road. Could Sisters be the codex release that will *shock* people?

No..

I could definitely see Adpeta Sororitas getting some love next year, after Blood Angels and Necrons. I'm still pulling for a Blood Angels Codex before Christmas, but you know, I'm a bit of an optomist I guess.

Well, I already set up a halvesies deal for the BA half of the insofar unannounced boxed set. I kinda wanted the nids as well, but better the half I really want than likely neither. I hope the new codex makes them viable and different enough from C:SM. Honestly, I kinda regret not playing Blood Angels in the first place. I could have made a custom Successor chapter(Vein Rippers, a Blue with red and black accents chapter colors with Death Company with blue X's). I am probably just going to make standard Blood Angels now since my Crimson Fists have the blue covered.

I wish we knew (like we KNOW anything about this box) if it was Tactical or Assault Terminators. I guess I would be okay with Tactical Terminators.

Answers will come soon I think.

It'll bum me out if the special figs in this box will be limited too, since that captain could be neat and it'd suck if there was no easily available plastic Broodlord. Considering Stormclaw and the first edition of Dark Vengeance it wouldn't surprise me if that's the case, unfortunately.

There's (sadly) no reason to believe that they won't be limited. The Stormclaw minis were limited, so these ones will probably be limited as well.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Answers will come soon I think.

Of course they will, tomorrow is Monday!

Those sneaky White Dwarf leakers always leak a poorly framed, out of focus shot with no further info on a Monday!

Earthquakes always happen on Mondays. That's a geological fact.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Answers will come soon I think.

here's hoping. Ideally, I would rather the box had an Assault Squad or Vanguard Veteran Squad. I love me some jump packs. Still, Terminators are fluffy when it comes to fighting Tyranids.

I am curious what the Captain's loadout is going to be. Too bad he isn't a Reclusiarch instead.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Earthquakes always happen on Mondays. That's a geological fact.

Inconceivable!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Answers will come soon I think.

here's hoping. Ideally, I would rather the box had an Assault Squad or Vanguard Veteran Squad. I love me some jump packs. Still, Terminators are fluffy when it comes to fighting Tyranids.

I am curious what the Captain's loadout is going to be. Too bad he isn't a Reclusiarch instead.

Death Company have jump packs.

UltraPrime wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Answers will come soon I think.

here's hoping. Ideally, I would rather the box had an Assault Squad or Vanguard Veteran Squad. I love me some jump packs. Still, Terminators are fluffy when it comes to fighting Tyranids.

I am curious what the Captain's loadout is going to be. Too bad he isn't a Reclusiarch instead.

Death Company have jump packs.

That they do. But I want MOAR jump packs. I do have a five man squad of unpainted Assault Marines that will undoubtedly end up being painted as Blood Angels now. Hopefully the codex will allow BA to take two flamers per squad like C:SM marines can. If not, it isn't that hard to change him to having a bolt pistol.

That's the sister's from the story tempestus in the shield of baal novel.

That aside i want all of that box set. I just so happen to need about 90% of it.

kryczek wrote:
That's the sister's from the story tempestus in the shield of baal novel.

That aside i want all of that box set. I just so happen to need about 90% of it.

Agreed, as both a Tyranid player and Blood Angels player this is a big win-win for me. If those savings are true then I will need to order more than one.

 BlackArmour wrote:

kryczek wrote:
That's the sister's from the story tempestus in the shield of baal novel.

That aside i want all of that box set. I just so happen to need about 90% of it.

Agreed, as both a Tyranid player and Blood Angels player this is a big win-win for me. If those savings are true then I will need to order more than one.

Not that I need a 7th Carnifex, more than 50 Genestealers, a 4th Broodlord or 16 Tyranid Warriors... but yeah, I kinda want this set anyway. I might just ebay the Broodlord character.

Felwether got the new White Dwarf and posted on Warseer

White Dwarf just arrived. The Deathstorm box is €100. Karlaen looks pretty cool, he's got a storm bolter and thunder hammer and a cool iron halo built around a chalice. I'll try to get some pics up later on.

White Dwarf also mentions new 32mm round bases for release which is weird.

Perhaps most interestingly, the Next Week section has the line "On deadly wings they come". Codex next week?

Warhams-77 wrote:
Felwether got the new White Dwarf and posted on Warseer

White Dwarf just arrived. The Deathstorm box is €100. Karlaen looks pretty cool, he's got a storm bolter and thunder hammer and a cool iron halo built around a chalice. I'll try to get some pics up later on.

White Dwarf also mentions new 32mm round bases for release which is weird.

Perhaps most interestingly, the Next Week section has the line "On deadly wings they come". Codex next week?

Well, it looks like Karlean is a terminator captain. I guess I am okay with that. Looks like I Will be building the Chaplain I am getting as a Reclusiarch for BA instead of a Chaplain for Crimson Fists.

Getting tired of refreshing. Someone post pics please

Felwether is still busy at work it seems

Nothing on 4chan, etc yet

Finaly sone news...

Pics are up - thanks to Felwether on Warseer

Neat!
I can always use another Chappy in Terminator armor.

Ah, good. Not very fussed about that captain at all, my wallet is visibly relieved.

I'd be tempted to grab the rulebook on ebay though, just because it has a blood angel on it, and that's cool.

This is really great news.
BA before Christmas. Happy hunting.

Not entirely convinced by that captain.

Its an unflattering angle that is for sure.

Still think I'll wait until we get the actual BA release, I have termies and DC already.

I'm digging it. Very excited ooo yes.

D

Hmm.. that Captain is...okay.

Not as cool as the Broodlord.

I guess the cover also answer the question about whether it's assault or shooting terminators.

I really wanted assault :(

D

NoggintheNog wrote:
Not entirely convinced by that captain.

Its an unflattering angle that is for sure.

Still think I'll wait until we get the actual BA release, I have termies and DC already.

At first I was like - yeah! Gotta make it a tight month! Gotta squeeze through for this!

And now, having seen the BA captain....eh. It doesn't pop out to me. Certainly not like the Space Wolf or Ork did. The Broodlord is nice but I have two already.

Yeah, my wallet is being eased away from this.

Might be better to take my money, get a softback reprint of Leviathan and the BA codex.

I seriously don't need more of what is offered. Yeah, my Flesh Tearers don't have Terminators and currently have a single dread...but we don't need more DC. And my Tyranids don't need any more of what is offered.

The captain is a bit meh. I think if the Iron Halo was lowered to sit on top of the armour with the chalice going through the middle of it, it'd look better. Also looks like they copy pasted most of Sergeant Lorenzo from Space Hulk

 angelofvengeance wrote:
The captain is a bit meh. I think if the Iron Halo was lowered to sit on top of the armour with the chalice going through the middle of it, it'd look better. Also looks like they copy pasted most of Sergeant Lorenzo from Space Hulk

Huh. It does. But Lorenzo is actually a lot more fancy than this.

Explains the similarities of the Broodlord as well.

True. It also looks like this captain gets a rather badass looking bionic eye when you compare it to some of the crap other guys get stuck with lol.

That captain has blunted my excitement. He doesn't stand up to either of the storm claw character sculpts.

Maybe I'll flip a coin on Friday.


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That captain has blunted my excitement. He doesn't stand up to either of the storm claw character sculpts.

Maybe I'll flip a coin on Friday.

Is anyone else finding that his head looks massive considering the lack of a helmet? Also the leading leg looks extremely thin. He's certainly not giving the same response as the 'Hulk Terminators did.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
The captain is a bit meh. I think if the Iron Halo was lowered to sit on top of the armour with the chalice going through the middle of it, it'd look better. Also looks like they copy pasted most of Sergeant Lorenzo from Space Hulk

Huh. It does. But Lorenzo is actually a lot more fancy than this.

Explains the similarities of the Broodlord as well.

And the Ork Warboss...and the Space Wolf character...

All of them were done with CAD.

So what are we actually looking at for each force? From what I've read its

BA TDA captain with TH and Stormbolter
5 Terminators
5 Death Company
1 Dreadnought
Vs
Broodlord
8 Genestealers
3 Warriors
1 Carnifex

40 GBP?

Does it sound like a good investment for a Vanilla Marine (Blood Ravens) and Nid Player? I don't need the Captain or Stealers so might sell them on but the others I can put to good use.

Wow, that Captain doesn't look all that great at all compared to the Space Hulk Sergeant. Part of me would rather get the SH sergeant off eBay, hack his sword off and put a TH there and call it a day. Still, as someone with NO BA stuff, this is better than nothing. Between the Shooty Terminators and this guy, the two DC sets are the only saving grace. Definitely liked Krom better.

 Deadshot wrote:
So what are we actually looking at for each force? From what I've read its

BA TDA captain with TH and Stormbolter
5 Terminators
5 Death Company
1 Dreadnought
Vs
Broodlord
8 Genestealers
3 Warriors
1 Carnifex

40 GBP?

Does it sound like a good investment for a Vanilla Marine (Blood Ravens) and Nid Player? I don't need the Captain or Stealers so might sell them on but the others I can put to good use.

It wont be £40 I wouldnt think, £75 would be my guess. It has a small rulebook and a mission guide thingy to.

Posted on Mexican Ork.

NoggintheNog wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
So what are we actually looking at for each force? From what I've read its

BA TDA captain with TH and Stormbolter
5 Terminators
5 Death Company
1 Dreadnought
Vs
Broodlord
8 Genestealers
3 Warriors
1 Carnifex

40 GBP?

Does it sound like a good investment for a Vanilla Marine (Blood Ravens) and Nid Player? I don't need the Captain or Stealers so might sell them on but the others I can put to good use.

It wont be £40 I wouldnt think, £75 would be my guess. It has a small rulebook and a mission guide thingy to.

Hmm. That might be pushing my limits then. Real shame too. I had heard 40 and jumped for joy but £75 breaks the bank for me.


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 pretre wrote:

I'll be selling the Dreadnought then too, no use for a DCD.

At £75 it is still a great deal:

Space Marine Terminator Captain rrp say £12+
Terminators £28
Dread £ 28
Death Company £20.50 =£88.50

Broodlord say £12+
Genestealers £18
Warriors £31
Carnifex £32.50 =£93.50

So combined £182.50 rrp before the mini rulebook and campaign book.

 Deadshot wrote:


I'll be selling the Dreadnought then too, no use for a DCD.

Couldn't you just build it as a Librarian Dread or Furioso?

You can

Thanks, Pretre!

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks, Pretre!

Got it from Mexican Ork on FB.

That's why I can't see it, FB work-blocked.

The pose is somewhat...uninspired...which for some reason seems to often happen with GW plastic characters. It's a thin line as you don't want to repeat poses too much, and especially with Terminator armour, one should avoid overly dynamic ninja poses, but still.

It's bit subdued model compared to SH ones. OTOH, finally a plastic Terminator captain! There has been enough of Power armour characters, thank you.

So they are tactical termies, meh. Assault terminators would have been better because SH had mostly tacticals, and also, tactical termies just kinda suck these days.

I'm sorry but the Captain doesn't do it for me, they have basically copied the Space Hulk design. I don't know what I was expecting just not a Terminator Captain. Although I will admit that's what we are missing in the large array of special characters already present.

Same here as I'll pass on the captain and would rather continue to use the much better Sergeant Lorenzo. Also, this now makes it official that higher ranking blood angels will have vampire teeth and Bieber hair unfortunately.

Thing is, they haven't simply copied the SH BA Terminator Design. They've actually toned it down a lot...and it is poorer for it.

If I can order this through a discount store I will pick it up for sure. Stock price is £100, while a good deal, it personally a little tight for me right now.

yeah that captain really has pointy elbows

New 32mm bases for Death Company with Jump Packs?

This looks ideal for me. Sooner the better. May drop the Nid painting production line for a bit.

jullevi wrote:
New 32mm bases for Death Company with Jump Packs?

Woh your right they look bigger

I dunno if it's the hair or what, but the Captain just looks so...baby-faced. Like straight from the Cullen family...

 Desubot wrote:

jullevi wrote:
New 32mm bases for Death Company with Jump Packs?

Woh your right they look bigger

They look way larger than the Gaunts ones', that's for sure.

I have to agree, the Captain isn't fantastic, makes me a wee bit sad but the box overall seems to be pretty damn cool. That's some crazy saving.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


I'll be selling the Dreadnought then too, no use for a DCD.

Couldn't you just build it as a Librarian Dread or Furioso?

I don't play BA, just Vanilla. The icons and stuff can be put to use or scrapped off because I'm a Blood Raven, but the loadouts of the BA dreads don't line up with the Vanilla rules. The closest would be an ironclad which I already have.

 Deadshot wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


I'll be selling the Dreadnought then too, no use for a DCD.

Couldn't you just build it as a Librarian Dread or Furioso?

I don't play BA, just Vanilla. The icons and stuff can be put to use or scrapped off because I'm a Blood Raven, but the loadouts of the BA dreads don't line up with the Vanilla rules. The closest would be an ironclad which I already have.

Its not a bad one to have though.

Turn the force weapon into a hammer is pretty ballin.

Am i the only person that actually likes the new captain? Hes not quite as cool as the SW one, but pretty close IMO.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
At £75 it is still a great deal:

Space Marine Terminator Captain rrp say £12+
Terminators £28
Dread £ 28
Death Company £20.50 =£88.50

Broodlord say £12+
Genestealers £18
Warriors £31
Carnifex £32.50 =£93.50

So combined £182.50 rrp before the mini rulebook and campaign book.

Undeniably great. Just not great enough to be affordable.

The captain is fine, I like him. Those are the new round 32mm bases

 th3maninblak wrote:
Am i the only person that actually likes the new captain? Hes not quite as cool as the SW one, but pretty close IMO.

Krom had a much more dynamic pose than this guy. I get PA vs TDA means this captain shouldn't be all that flexible, but even regular Terminators have much better poses than him. He isn't terrible, just lackluster. It just reinforces my belief that this boxed set would have been much better served with a Reclusiarch with a jump pack to run with the DC than a Terminator anything.

 pretre wrote:

Posted on Mexican Ork.

Are those death company on bigger bases? The mentioned 32mm...

Bigger bases for some reason. That's annoying.

And the Captain appears to be a less detailed version of Lorenzo.

Yes, they are. Seems jump-infantry switches over to it

Very odd, that base swap. I'd be interested to see why it changed.

Gonna be a lot of people having to buy new bases...

Maybe it's a Death Company specific thing? The recent Crimson Slaughter (Chaos Space Marines) expansion for Dark Vengeance has the Raptor jump infantry on their normal bases, doesn't it?

Still annoying for already established BA players though.

That's probably part of the idea, LOL.

 Paradigm wrote:
Very odd, that base swap. I'd be interested to see why it changed.

Was there a rumoured new assault marine box coming out? In that case there could be new dynamic poses.

*counts mentally*

I have 70-ish Marines with Jump Packs. I'm not gonna be changing bases.

Those larger bases would be good for my always-falling-over Hormagaunts!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*counts mentally*

I have 70-ish Marines with Jump Packs. I'm not gonna be changing bases.

I'm waiting for the first entrepreneur that makes a 7mm base addon that you just snapon to your 25mm bases. That'd be excellent.

It's base inflation. Remember back in the day Termies were on 25mm bases, many Monstrous creatures were on 40mm bases and there was no bigger than 60mm base. Nowadays, we have MC's on ever larger and larger bases, we had even Power armour character on 40mm base, I suspect eventually Termies will be on 60mm bases and so on...

I'll say this...slightly larger bases would be much better for my old all-metal assault marines, with metal jump packs. Tippy as hell. Not sure that I see the argument for plastic, though.

UltraPrime wrote:
Those larger bases would be good for my always-falling-over Hormagaunts!

I was just thinking that. Assault Marines don't need 'em. H-Gaunts do!!!

Id be mad if they did that to ALL jump marines.

I just finished magnatizing mine

That and i dont feel like spending more money on bases.

Also cant wait to see more old vs new base arguments

 pretre wrote:
Gonna be a lot of people having to buy new bases...

Or telling GW to stick it...

If they keep inflating base sizes one would hope they finally address the massive problems with blast weapons. The Templates are so ineffective already. I wish they just hit all models in coherency with the initial target or something (maybe x2 for larger blasts).

 Deadshot wrote:
So what are we actually looking at for each force? From what I've read its

BA TDA captain with TH and Stormbolter
5 Terminators
5 Death Company
1 Dreadnought
Vs
Broodlord
8 Genestealers
3 Warriors
1 Carnifex

40 GBP?

Does it sound like a good investment for a Vanilla Marine (Blood Ravens) and Nid Player? I don't need the Captain or Stealers so might sell them on but the others I can put to good use.

Jump packs for the DC or are they on foot?

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
So what are we actually looking at for each force? From what I've read its

BA TDA captain with TH and Stormbolter
5 Terminators
5 Death Company
1 Dreadnought
Vs
Broodlord
8 Genestealers
3 Warriors
1 Carnifex

40 GBP?

Does it sound like a good investment for a Vanilla Marine (Blood Ravens) and Nid Player? I don't need the Captain or Stealers so might sell them on but the others I can put to good use.

Jump packs for the DC or are they on foot?

It is the standard Death Company box, so both.

What is the diameter of the smaller flying bases that Gargoyles, jetbikes, Tau drones, etc are on? Most of those models count as jump infantry and they are a bit larger than the 25mm round bases the rest are on.

I have so many Ork Stormboys that would need re-basing if this is the case....ugh (and will make it harder to deep-strike a large mob of them with Zagstruk.)

Well that's... underwhelming. Don't need any of that and the Captain is a blander version of his Space Hulk equivalent with a daft load out.

My wallet can come out from it's panic room now, it's perfectly safe.

 Fango wrote:
What is the diameter of the smaller flying bases that Gargoyles, jetbikes, Tau drones, etc are on? Most of those models count as jump infantry and they are a bit larger than the 25mm round bases the rest are on.

Good catch, they're indeed 32mm.

There won't be any requirement for re-basing, the rule has always been that the models are to be based on the bases which came with the models. Which sometimes leads to awkward situations as for example, Necron Monoliths have come both with and without bases...anyway, it's still legal to use old metal Terminators on 25mm bases, for example.

I just hope that one of the Captain's shoulder pads isn't attached.

Backfire wrote:
There won't be any requirement for re-basing

Till 8th edition

 Desubot wrote:

Backfire wrote:
There won't be any requirement for re-basing

Till 8th edition

And with how quick 7th came out, we better not see an 8th edition until at LEAST 2020...

I still haven't forked over the cash for 7th...already have two 6th ed Dark Vengeance boxes....will see if I can get the Shield of Baal box before it sells out...

 Fango wrote:
And with how quick 7th came out, we better not see an 8th edition until at LEAST 2020...

8th Ed: 16/8/16!

You heard it here first guys.

Disappointed in the captain. Broodlord looks huge. The rest is meh.

Is the broodlord base round or oval? I think it looks round but a lot of people keep claiming its on an oval base.

You'd think that the first company captain of the blood angels would have some pretty ornate armour, you know, considering what blood angel captains and the more resent special characters seem to have.

Bit more Asterion Moloc style would fit way more with the armour.

It's just a bit weird, one of the legendary origional legion chapters and their first company captain looks like that.... Quite basic. Could quite easily do a 90% copy of that model with kit bashing the deathwing command set and a little bit of green stuff.

 Fango wrote:
What is the diameter of the smaller flying bases that Gargoyles, jetbikes, Tau drones, etc are on? Most of those models count as jump infantry and they are a bit larger than the 25mm round bases the rest are on.

I have so many Ork Stormboys that would need re-basing if this is the case....ugh (and will make it harder to deep-strike a large mob of them with Zagstruk.)

Aren't you only required to have your models on the bases they came with? I didn't think there was a hard requirement to change your bases if GW changed things. For example, Tau Broadsides got a new model with a bigger base, but you can still run your old Broadsides using the smaller base, correct?

Is there even anything official on what base size you're suppose to use at all?

And how many different base sizes and types do we have in 40k now(excluding Forgeworld)? 7?

I was sure I read officially to use the bases that came with the model but I can't find that anywhere now.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
You'd think that the first company captain of the blood angels would have some pretty ornate armour, you know, considering what blood angel captains and the more resent special characters seem to have.

Bit more Asterion Moloc style would fit way more with the armour.

It's just a bit weird, one of the legendary origional legion chapters and their first company captain looks like that.... Quite basic.

OTOH, some of the newer stuff has just too much bling. Space Hulk termies are one thing, but it's just absurd how many purity seals DV termies have, to say nothing about Chaos stuff. It's good to see a character model with more reasonable level of decoration. Plus, we haven't seen his cloak yet, have we? Might be tons of stuff there.
It's the pose which is weak...it reminds me of recent Archon model, in the sense that his legs seem to be doing something different than his upper body.

As others have said the captain model looks like Lorenzo but not as cool. What's going on with his legs?! If I had ever imagined someone trying to dance in terminator armour that is exactly what it would look like.

The rest of the BA stuff in the box isn't of much use to me as I have it already but I can see how it would be appealing to some - especially the saving over buying the units individually if you can split with (or are also) a Nids player.

I'll try to get a copy for the books and probably sell the rest...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And the Captain appears to be a less detailed version of Lorenzo.

Indeed. Following the Space Hulk campaign, Lorenzo barely survived the amputation of half of his loincloth. After a lengthy recovery he was promoted to Captain. Now, he's out for revenge.

Compare the two:



New guy needs a haircut!

There's no contest

I think it might be an optical illusion. Theyre smaller than the termie bases, from what i can see.

 insaniak wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And the Captain appears to be a less detailed version of Lorenzo.

Indeed. Following the Space Hulk campaign, Lorenzo barely survived the amputation of half of his loincloth. After a lengthy recovery he was promoted to Captain. Now, he's out for revenge.

Given how Genestealers are supposed to be able to rip through TDA like a warm knife through butter, maybe Karlaen is wearing a fresh off the assembly line set of TDA because his blingin' awesome stuff got ripped up. Also explains the weird pose, this new suit hasn't been broken in yet.

I will admit, he is growing on me. If the legs aren't attached he is getting a better posed set from the Tactical Terminators in the box, though. Still wish they went with a better HQ like a Reclusiarch though. Hoping a lot of new plastics come out with the new codex, especially a plastic Chaplain.


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 th3maninblak wrote:
I think it might be an optical illusion. Theyre smaller than the termie bases, from what i can see.

By all accounts, by about 8MM.

 th3maninblak wrote:
I think it might be an optical illusion. Theyre smaller than the termie bases, from what i can see.

Right, they would be 32mm, so the same diameter as small flight bases, like the ones that come with Gargoyles.
It actually make sense as a change, just a little out of nowhere.

 plastictrees wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
I think it might be an optical illusion. Theyre smaller than the termie bases, from what i can see.

Right, they would be 32mm, so the same diameter as small flight bases, like the ones that come with Gargoyles.
It actually make sense as a change, just a little out of nowhere.

I have been putting my Assault Squads on the small rounds for years now and those not on them on 30mm bases. It is nice to have them stand up.

It's like both space hulk sergeants made it and he is the love child

 Red Corsair wrote:
It's like both space hulk sergeants made it and he is the love child

Or they didn't and he received organs cultured from their progenoids. He is going to be on the receiving end of a lot of blinging up from the DC bits for me. As someone who is going to start Blood Angels using this box, I Will make the best of the situation.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bigger bases for some reason. That's annoying.

And the Captain appears to be a less detailed version of Lorenzo.

1st captain discount lorenzo is prepared to do battle in the emperor's name!

As long as the price is right, but you look like a nice guy, he'll do you a good deal!

If it is a new sized base for jump infantry, im gonna be a little pissed. 75% of my 70+ jump infantry are already based with gravel and crystals and stuff.

 th3maninblak wrote:
If it is a new sized base for jump infantry, im gonna be a little pissed. 75% of my 70+ jump infantry are already based with gravel and crystals and stuff.

So just keep them as is. There is no requirement in the rules to update your bases just because GW updates their models.

 th3maninblak wrote:
If it is a new sized base for jump infantry, im gonna be a little pissed. 75% of my 70+ jump infantry are already based with gravel and crystals and stuff.

Just add the bottom of a small flight base. Being clear it should not ruin the look.

 th3maninblak wrote:
If it is a new sized base for jump infantry, im gonna be a little pissed. 75% of my 70+ jump infantry are already based with gravel and crystals and stuff.

And this is another reason I don't base my models.

Eh, they're similar but the models are pretty different.

 th3maninblak wrote:
If it is a new sized base for jump infantry, im gonna be a little pissed. 75% of my 70+ jump infantry are already based with gravel and crystals and stuff.

You aren't required to IMMEDIATELY replace all bases with the new size. All of my terminators (mostly from 2nd edition) are still on 25mm bases, my bikes are on rectangular cavalry bases and my carnifexes, lictors and hive tyrant are all on old square bases.

Last time there was a rule written about base sizes (5th I think?) it was "Must be on the bases provided", and mine all are.

 Carnage43 wrote:
Last time there was a rule written about base sizes (5th I think?) it was "Must be on the bases provided", and mine all are.

Every edition from 4th onwards has had rules about base sizes.

None of them have asked for models to be rebased.

Besides, if you really want to you can take the old base and mount it onto the new base for a tiered base!

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Is the broodlord base round or oval? I think it looks round but a lot of people keep claiming its on an oval base.

Definitely oval.

I wonder what it is with those base changes, new patented GW only style bases?

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I wonder what it is with those base changes, new patented GW only style bases?

I wouldn't take it as a sign, GW put Krom on a 40mm, but that doesn't mean that all Space Marines are moving to 40mms.

I'm sure there's a Citadel™ FineBase™ joke in there somewhere.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm sure there's a Citadel™ FineBase™ joke in there somewhere.

GW will probably release updated rules stating what base sizes each model is supposed to have, all of which will be different from their current ones, and then proceed to sell replacement bases at $3/base special order only.

I like the idea of them going to 32mm. It is a good way to keep them from falling over and showed they are bulky.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm sure there's a Citadel™ FineBase™ joke in there somewhere.

GW will probably release updated rules stating what base sizes each model is supposed to have, all of which will be different from their current ones, and then proceed to sell replacement bases at $3/base special order only.

Wouldn't be surprised.

Looks like i'll be saving money.. Boring model and weird pose.

The bright side to all of this is that if enough people balk at this, I might actually get one of the boxed sets!

I am really hoping his legs aren't molded to the torso so I can attach better ones to him. I just don't like that pose. Would lose out on the (minimal) Blood Angels stuff molded on though. Might be able to salvage them.

*shrugs*

I like him. I just hope that I can replace one of his shoulder pads with the Deathwatch pad that comes in the vanilla Termy box.

I'd buy one of those sets to have the models, but I don't want to support GW that much. Space Hulk was a good move, this? Kind of tepid. The major store that I go to that still plays 40k has had 2 of the Space Wolf v Ork sets on sale since release.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*shrugs*

I like him. I just hope that I can replace one of his shoulder pads with the Deathwatch pad that comes in the vanilla Termy box.

Not that one data point is enough to make a line, but both of Krom's shoulder pauldrons were not molded on, so hopefully they did the same with this guy. The Strike Force Ultra Terminator Captain had only the Crux shoulder pad not molded, on, the pad where you put the chapter markings was molded to the arm. So hard to say what they did with this one. Honestly, I was kinda surprised that this guy wasn't just a remold of the SFU Terminator Captain. Toss on some BA livery and replace the sword with a Thunder Hammer, you are set. I would have been okay with that.

One thing I am hoping for is that they will release a Blood Angels Upgrade sprue like they did Dark Angels. Some fanged-mouth heads. Lots of blood drops and wings. Some jump packs with BA markings. I would be all over that like me on cake.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*shrugs*

I like him. I just hope that I can replace one of his shoulder pads with the Deathwatch pad that comes in the vanilla Termy box.

Not that one data point is enough to make a line, but both of Krom's shoulder pauldrons were not molded on, so hopefully they did the same with this guy. The Strike Force Ultra Terminator Captain had only the Crux shoulder pad not molded, on, the pad where you put the chapter markings was molded to the arm. So hard to say what they did with this one. Honestly, I was kinda surprised that this guy wasn't just a remold of the SFU Terminator Captain. Toss on some BA livery and replace the sword with a Thunder Hammer, you are set. I would have been okay with that.

One thing I am hoping for is that they will release a Blood Angels Upgrade sprue like they did Dark Angels. Some fanged-mouth heads. Lots of blood drops and wings. Some jump packs with BA markings. I would be all over that like me on cake.

You mean the Death Company box?

Is it just me or does it look like the Tyranid Warriors are also on a larger base than the Termies?

Apologies if someone has mentioned this already..

For what its worth, that captain is really easy to convert, both by weapons and chapter.
But the head would probably look a bit weird in some chapters.
Pose looks exactly like Crom, so I dont really get why people are upset with that...


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By the way, larger jump pack bases will make the deep strike footprint much larger.
Wonder if they keep rules for less scatter at least.

The more i look at him, the more i like the model. Only have 5 death co, so this would round out the full 10. The termies are the only part i dont need, but my shop is planning a big apoc game soon so ill use them.

And any BA player can ALWAYS use more dreads.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*shrugs*

I like him. I just hope that I can replace one of his shoulder pads with the Deathwatch pad that comes in the vanilla Termy box.

Not that one data point is enough to make a line, but both of Krom's shoulder pauldrons were not molded on, so hopefully they did the same with this guy. The Strike Force Ultra Terminator Captain had only the Crux shoulder pad not molded, on, the pad where you put the chapter markings was molded to the arm. So hard to say what they did with this one. Honestly, I was kinda surprised that this guy wasn't just a remold of the SFU Terminator Captain. Toss on some BA livery and replace the sword with a Thunder Hammer, you are set. I would have been okay with that.

One thing I am hoping for is that they will release a Blood Angels Upgrade sprue like they did Dark Angels. Some fanged-mouth heads. Lots of blood drops and wings. Some jump packs with BA markings. I would be all over that like me on cake.

You mean the Death Company box?

I wouldn't say the DC box is a good upgrade. Sure, it has a not of stuff, but you need most of it to build the Marines. And most of the DC sprue is covered in DC livery. I would like something more akin to the Dark Angels Upgrade sprue, a little bit of everything, regular BA, Death Company, etc.

I am hoping that this means that a new Codex is coming at some point, and that DC and DC Dreadnoughts are getting some love. Right now, I can't really run them except as super expensive shooting magnets.

So, definitely underwhelmed by what seems to be just an "army box" with a new Captain (and the Broodlord is definitely from Space Hulk) but hoping that more help for BA is on the way.

Both the Broodlord and Captain are clearly heavily "influenced" by their Space Hulk counterparts. A weird move since they just re-released Space Hulk - a massive missed opportunity to do something cool and different with the models...

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The thing is whatever the rule change or not I can see the box containing both 25mm bases (for the DC on foot) and 32mm for the jump pack DC Marines. So just put them on whatever you want.

I think this may be a gateway to Tyranids for me. I think I could resell the Blood Angels and mini rulebook for £70 easily.

 LutherMax wrote:
Both the Broodlord and Captain are clearly heavily "influenced" by their Space Hulk counterparts. A weird move since they just re-released Space Hulk - a massive missed opportunity to do something cool and different with the models...

Pretty much this. They could have given us something cool like a new Librarian or Reclusiarch model or even a Captain NOT in TDA. Krom was pretty much the epitome of what a Space Wolf is, I thought. The TDA Blood Angels Captain is not only stepping on the toes of the Space Hulk stuff, but he isn't even really what I would think of as a good HQ for the BA.

Yeah Sanguinary Guard and a jump HQ would have been much more awesome, I guess they just played it safe.

Why are people getting bent out of shape about the base size change? 99% of people aren't going to rebase all their jump units (assuming that the change is because they're jump units and it's not a DC only thing), and 99% of people aren't going to mind playing the 'old' base size...

Obviously the only real implication, rules wise is DSing, bjt personally I really only DS combat squads of jump units with 2 Melta, so it should make too much difference for me personally.

If it's a DC specific thing I wonder if they're becoming 2 wound models or something...

D

 LutherMax wrote:
Yeah Sanguinary Guard and a jump HQ would have been much more awesome, I guess they just played it safe.

They probably have an overabundance of Tactical Terminators in their warehouse (since they are gak), so they bundled them with something that isn't gak like Death Company. I was kinda disappointed that they didn't have a squad of Assault Marines, a squad of Death Company marines, and a Furioso Dreadnought. It would still have the 2 Troops and an Elite that they seem to be running with for these boxes, though it woulda been a little fluffier, but then what would they do with all the crappy Tactical Terminators collecting dust? Instead we got a knock off squad of Space Hulk Terminators and a knock off Space Hulk Captain.

But, then again, GW probably thinks Tactical Terminators are the bee's knees, so who really knows.

I wonder if they've bumped up the base size on the DC to prevent wobbly model syndrome. I don't know about you, but my assault squads fall over quite a bit.

 evildrcheese wrote:
If it's a DC specific thing I wonder if they're becoming 2 wound models or something...

Ohh, that'd be nice. But if so they'll get nerfed somewhere else

Of course it might just be GW using this release as an oppurtunity just to show off the new bases they're releasing, as opposed to an actual rules change.

 LutherMax wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:
If it's a DC specific thing I wonder if they're becoming 2 wound models or something...

Ohh, that'd be nice. But if so they'll get nerfed somewhere else

It would definitely lead to some arguments as to where the BA are in terms of competiveness. And if the pendulum swings back to favoring Assault, well...

I know it hasn't been talked about for a bit, but what do people think the optional (Read: Mandatory) army supplement will be? More than likely, it will be Death Company, but I could just as easily see it being Flesh Tearers. It would make a lot more sense for it to be DC, since that would affect even the successor chapters (like Sentinels of Terra and Clan Raukhaan probably shouldn't, but do).


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 reds8n wrote:
Of course it might just be GW using this release as an oppurtunity just to show off the new bases they're releasing, as opposed to an actual rules change.

Don't be ridiculous, that would mean there isn't some nefarious ulterior motive which we ALL know is just not the case.

EDIT: By the way, I am going buy an Assault Squad and equip the Sergeant with two Hand Flamers or Infernus Pistols for maximum burn!

Looks to me like any dismay generated by the basing change is hot air.

Personally, I've never seen a terminator with a dedicated storm bolter and thunder hammer, and from purely an aesthetic standpoint I find it fresh.

TDix wrote:
Is it just me or does it look like the Tyranid Warriors are also on a larger base than the Termies?

Yes, they're 50mm bases, apparently they have come on those for some time.

"All your base are belong to us!"

The bases provided are

Genestealers 25mm (not new)
Terminators 40mm (not new)
Tyranid Warriors 50mm (this was quitely changed a few months ago, early versions of the new kit were on 40mm)
Death Company (Jump infantry) 32mm (new)
Broodlord XXmm (nothing confirmed yet)
Carnifex 60mm round base (it seems)
Dreadnought 60mm round scenic base


Now to keep hysteria(tm) burning

Most important question: Do I have to re-base my entire jump infantry models?! YES, ALL OF THEM. HAVE NO MERCY

An anonymous source also reports the internal code at GW for this operation is I-Mizz-Goblin-Green


Seriously, we need more pics asap

So, the campaign isn't just about defending baal, the governor of the planet seems to hold a possible cure for the red thirst?

Where is your information from?

Any hints of the BA formations in the campaign?

If I recall correctly Stormclaw didn't give much away in terms of what the SW codex was going to bring as all units had pre picked wargear with the points not broken down, still be interesting to know what the DC with whatever load out they have runs at.

D

Decided to give the Captain a secoind chance, even more disappointed on repeat viewings.

Krom was an amazing model (even with the silly haircut most Wolves seem to come with as standard) and completely epitomised Space Wolves. Kaelen does nothing of the sort for Blood Angels and can't even fall back on being nicely designed to offset the uninspiring detail. He just looks like someone's mediocre kitbash of a sergeant, not the Captain of a first founding Chapter's first company.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Where is your information from?

Well, I did this thing called reading, as there is text attached to one of the pictures.

Blonde hair and fangs, looks like the epitome of Blood Angels to me.

I think the model looks fine, and I'm not really sure what you want. If it was covered in any more tear drops, goblets, and purity seals than it already is it would just look way too busy, and kinda ugly. Honestly even the DC are kinda pushing it with the "bling", if anything BA needed toning down. In my opinion they've struck a pretty good balance with this captain, too often when they release a Space Marine character it's just covered in so much crap it ruins the model, and it's nice to see some restraint for once.

I also find it amusing that everyone is going to pass on the new box set because the Captain isn't blinged-up enough for them. So all that whining about how BA were in dire need of an update and how GW had forsaken them etc., etc., and when you finally start getting the attention you've been begging for, you turn your noses up at them and go "Meh."? Looks like maybe GW should have waited a few more years then, a BA release now looks like it's just going to be a big waste of time and money. Hell, they even put a Blood Angel Marine on the cover of the mini rulebook, I'm pretty sure adamsouza or someone else in this thread was asking for that specifically.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Where is your information from?

Well, I did this thing called reading

Eww. Did it hurt?

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Decided to give the Captain a secoind chance, even more disappointed on repeat viewings.

Krom was an amazing model (even with the silly haircut most Wolves seem to come with as standard) and completely epitomised Space Wolves. Kaelen does nothing of the sort for Blood Angels and can't even fall back on being nicely designed to offset the uninspiring detail. He just looks like someone's mediocre kitbash of a sergeant, not the Captain of a first founding Chapter's first company.

This. Even the 'generic' Terminator Captain released with the box set a while back was fancier and much more ornate than this. And Blood Angels, fluffwise are supposed to be a bit OTT with the ornate details. The Death Company are covered in bling if you look at the components as are the Space Hulk Terminators.

This captain? Really, really bland.

Plus he has that annoying as all hell mop top hair, same as in the Death Company box. At the time it was fine because they really didn't do hair in plastic that well..but seeing the Space Wolf kit that has come out since as well as all the elf kits....

Well, they could have done a bit more than flat, detail-less mop top to be honest.

Needs moar Fabio, yeah.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Decided to give the Captain a secoind chance, even more disappointed on repeat viewings.

Krom was an amazing model (even with the silly haircut most Wolves seem to come with as standard) and completely epitomised Space Wolves. Kaelen does nothing of the sort for Blood Angels and can't even fall back on being nicely designed to offset the uninspiring detail. He just looks like someone's mediocre kitbash of a sergeant, not the Captain of a first founding Chapter's first company.

This. Even the 'generic' Terminator Captain released with the box set a while back was fancier and much more ornate than this. And Blood Angels, fluffwise are supposed to be a bit OTT with the ornate details. The Death Company are covered in bling if you look at the components as are the Space Hulk Terminators.

This captain? Really, really bland.

Plus he has that annoying as all hell mop top hair, same as in the Death Company box. At the time it was fine because they really didn't do hair in plastic that well..but seeing the Space Wolf kit that has come out since as well as all the elf kits....

Well, they could have done a bit more than flat, detail-less mop top to be honest.

He looks like Sargent Lorenzo from Space Hulk but with less ornaments. Nothing spectacular but the model is okay imo.

As with the Space wolf and Orks box set, is it likely to presume that the models in the kit can be built as their counterparts? I.E the death company can be built with or without jump packs, it's just that in the campaign they are equipped with them so it would make sense to do so for new players? I'm hoping so because that way it means that the dread can be built as any of the three that come in that specific box set because as much as I like Dc dreads, I think owning a fourth could be slight overkill...

Yes, Tom, full kits on sprues

 Sidstyler wrote:
Needs moar Fabio, yeah.

This. Especially since they've shown that they can now do that sort of hair - the Space Wolf, Dark Eldar and different WFB Elf sets that followed show how they've improved that. So to see what is essentially the same flat hair as the DC box set is....meh. Especially on something that's 'exclusive' to this box.

Also, the earlier comment about these being all CAD.

Yeah, I can see that. I can see how the Ork Warboss, this captain and the Broodlord are all CAD alterations from Black Reach/Space Hulk. But the Space Wolf character was something very different as I'd not seen anything like that prior. Shame they couldn't do another unique model like that.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Where is your information from?

Well, I did this thing called reading, as there is text attached to one of the pictures.

Then continue your studies until you get to the advanced topics like social behaviour and old-farts-with-bad-eyes

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Needs moar Fabio, yeah.

This. Especially since they've shown that they can now do that sort of hair - the Space Wolf, Dark Eldar and different WFB Elf sets that followed show how they've improved that. So to see what is essentially the same flat hair as the DC box set is....meh. Especially on something that's 'exclusive' to this box.

Also, the earlier comment about these being all CAD.

Yeah, I can see that. I can see how the Ork Warboss, this captain and the Broodlord are all CAD alterations from Black Reach/Space Hulk. But the Space Wolf character was something very different as I'd not seen anything like that prior. Shame they couldn't do another unique model like that.

Actually, the Space Wolf character was another CAD design. It was based off of FW's model for a character for IA11(Bran Redmaw) that never got released. There were WIP shots of it and the similarities between the Redmaw design and Dragongaze are very telling.

Both broodlords could have been designed at the same time, and GW decided to release one in Space Hulk and the other in a future product. Maybe they even use these limited-release models to test responses before producing expensive but possibly bad-selling multi-part kits

Personally I am kind of happy with a little less details. My Brush-Fu skills are not what they used to be and some of there super detailed models have forced me to either suck it up and they don't look as good as they should be or I have to let someone else paint them.

I like the Captain, and I am sure I can put on a different head.
As for the Death Company, I build my Skyclaws and Blood Claws using a bunch of old and new Death Company models and no one ever noticed.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Blonde hair and fangs, looks like the epitome of Blood Angels to me.

I think the model looks fine, and I'm not really sure what you want. If it was covered in any more tear drops, goblets, and purity seals than it already is it would just look way too busy, and kinda ugly. Honestly even the DC are kinda pushing it with the "bling", if anything BA needed toning down. In my opinion they've struck a pretty good balance with this captain, too often when they release a Space Marine character it's just covered in so much crap it ruins the model, and it's nice to see some restraint for once.

I also find it amusing that everyone is going to pass on the new box set because the Captain isn't blinged-up enough for them. So all that whining about how BA were in dire need of an update and how GW had forsaken them etc., etc., and when you finally start getting the attention you've been begging for, you turn your noses up at them and go "Meh."? Looks like maybe GW should have waited a few more years then, a BA release now looks like it's just going to be a big waste of time and money. Hell, they even put a Blood Angel Marine on the cover of the mini rulebook, I'm pretty sure adamsouza or someone else in this thread was asking for that specifically.

I don't want him to have MOAR generic bling, I want him to have unique, impressive bling that also denotes his status as a commander. Look at the old metal/finecast Terminator Captain and the halo-ed skull eagle on his right leg, that is a good piece of bling that also serves to show his rank. Something like that plus a few ornate things incorporating blood drops would be grand. The Chainfist Space Hulk Terminator has an Iron Halo with blood drops in it and a skull badge with halo on the chest, those are also the sort of unique details that would have been cool rather than a whole bunch of purity seals and a plethora of small blood drops and chalices.

So by your logic, every time GW throw us a bone we should snap it up in case they think it's not worth supporting the army anymore? How about, no? If they do something worthwhile I'll buy it, if not I won't, it's too pricy a hobby to do otherwise.

The other thing is the BA half of the boxed set isn't very appealing to a lot of existing players. Who doesn't have Death Company? A Death Company Dreadnought/Furioso? Plus both those units have in game limitations on how many you can have (as well as being over-costed in terms of points) so unless you're running a DC army you can legitimately have too many. Tactical Terminators are a poor choice in the current meta and most people already have some; a great many of those have the wonderful Space Hulk ones.

If the contents of the box aren't particularly useful/people already own them, then the exclusive figure needs to be great to justify the expense.
If the exclusive model is mediocre then the box contents need to be very useful/something people don't already have a lot of to justify the expense.

For me and a lot of others, apparently, this set fails to achieve either condition.

DC and DC dread are solid choices for BA players, new and old, and can simply painted Red to be used as other BA choices.

Just remember that StormClaw wasn't filled with the greatest choices either. It was more like what they had overstocked in the warehouse than a greatest hits list.

True, but Stormclaw did adhere to the first condition:

If the contents of the box aren't particularly useful/people already own enough of them then the exclusive model needs to be stellar.

And Krom was great. He was enough for people to say 'maybe I could use a few more Grey Hunters and Wolf Guard Terminators.

Plus, Grey Hunters are probably one of the best troops units in the game, while Wolf Guard Terminators are far more flexible in their load outs and thus battlefield utility than regular tactical Terminators.


DC and DC dread are solid choices, unless you've already got both in sufficient numbers that you don't need any more. Simply painting them the colour of your regular troops isn't an approach everyone likes to take. The Xs on a lot of the gear are just too Death Company to blend in well with other units.

But at a basic level it comes down to the exclusive fig. If Kaelen was better it would be easier to find a justification for the contents of Shield of Baal: Deathstorm.

Fingers crossed for some super cheap Carnifexes and DC Dreads Can always use more of both!

 adamsouza wrote:
DC and DC dread are solid choices for BA players, new and old, and can simply painted Red to be used as other BA choices.

This. It's pretty easy to turn them into Assault Marines, Vanguard Vets, etc. The Dread can easily become a Furioso, Librarian or Rifleman if that strikes your fancy. If you don't like Tactical Termies, a TH/SS or 2xLC sprue shouldn't be all that expensive, or convert them into Terminator Libbies, Chaplains, Sanguinary Priests, etc. The Captain is a bit lame I'll grant, but chop off that storm bolter and then add a SS, and you've got a pretty cool Assault Terminator sergeant.

So really, the set is less-restrictive for the BA than it looks. Really, the Nids are the ones who are getting it worse... I mean, how many of us really needed more Genestealers?

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

So really, the set is less-restrictive for the BA than it looks. Really, the Nids are the ones who are getting it worse... I mean, how many of us really needed more Genestealers?

We have a player who feels he need more of three things: Termagants, Grenestealers and Grots

Seeing as this is a rumour thread, does anyone think that BA units will have access to the new Space Marine stuff? Specifically, Grav-Weapons, as their Tactical Kit now comes with one? I could understand new tanks, Centurions and Stormtalon being left out but how can they leave out the Tactical Squad?

I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*shrugs*

I like him. I just hope that I can replace one of his shoulder pads with the Deathwatch pad that comes in the vanilla Termy box.

Krom was super modular, so maybe he will be.

 Deadshot wrote:
Seeing as this is a rumour thread, does anyone think that BA units will have access to the new Space Marine stuff? Specifically, Grav-Weapons, as their Tactical Kit now comes with one? I could understand new tanks, Centurions and Stormtalon being left out but how can they leave out the Tactical Squad?

I can see them not getting the Grave Weapons
They just don't feel right.
Each of the other Chapters with there own books did not get any of the "Marine Gear".
>Dark Angels: Got Plasma, lots of Plasma, even on their Terminator
>Space Wolves: Got the Frost Weapons
Generic Marines: Got the Grav-Weapons

Besides they do not need Grav-Weapons and Centurions, that is what Allies are for.

The only Rumor about a new unit I have heard was Sanguinary Terminators and that looks to be false [I still have my fingers crossed though, but I am not holding my breath]

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Seeing as this is a rumour thread, does anyone think that BA units will have access to the new Space Marine stuff? Specifically, Grav-Weapons, as their Tactical Kit now comes with one? I could understand new tanks, Centurions and Stormtalon being left out but how can they leave out the Tactical Squad?

I can see them not getting the Grave Weapons
They just don't feel right.
Each of the other Chapters with there own books did not get any of the "Marine Gear".
>Dark Angels: Got Plasma, lots of Plasma, even on their Terminator
>Space Wolves: Got the Frost Weapons
Generic Marines: Got the Grav-Weapons

Besides they do not need Grav-Weapons and Centurions, that is what Allies are for.

The only Rumor about a new unit I have heard was Sanguinary Terminators and that looks to be false [I still have my fingers crossed though, but I am not holding my breath]

Well, BA have angelus bolters and infernus pistols. TBH I dont see BA with grav weapons as well.

But how does that interact with the new re-cut Tactical Squad with the Grav gun and Combi-Grav?

Terminators in general are just too boring, bland, simpel, unrealistic and just uncool.

In times of amaaaaaazing Infinity heavy troops, Terminators are a joke. It's easy to see that their design is about 30 years old...

They'd need a complete rehaul imho.

 Deadshot wrote:
But how does that interact with the new re-cut Tactical Squad with the Grav gun and Combi-Grav?

Use other options? Sometimes the simplest answers are the right ones.

 Deadshot wrote:
But how does that interact with the new re-cut Tactical Squad with the Grav gun and Combi-Grav?

You can't use those bits....what's to wonder about here?

 Carnage43 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
But how does that interact with the new re-cut Tactical Squad with the Grav gun and Combi-Grav?

You can't use those bits....what's to wonder about here?

Its unusual is all. GW have come into the mindset of putting in all available options for a unit in the box. But rarely is there a unit usuable across multiple factions. Even rarer when one of those factions can't use all the options.

Take the extra bits and sell em online

people go gaga over gravguns

Im pretty sure there specialties will be the infernus and various flamer weapons.

 Accolade wrote:
I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

Unless you're Dark Angels.

 Deadshot wrote:
But how does that interact with the new re-cut Tactical Squad with the Grav gun and Combi-Grav?

You are not supposed to use/buy Tactical Kits for Blood Angels, you are supposed to buy Assault/Death Company/Sanguinary Guard kits for your Blood Angels.

The codex should be out December 13th, with preorders starting on the 5th. I will wait until the book at least got leaked before building more models. There is zero unit stats and army list information to be found online. Remember the 2010 codex release with much of the rules known before release? So different nowadays

2010 - A month before the release http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?248074-Blood-Angels-summary

Warhams-77 wrote:
The codex should be out December 13th, with preorders starting on the 5th. I will wait until the book at least got leaked before building more models. There is zero unit stats and army list information to be found online. Remember the 2010 codex release with much of the rules known before release? So different nowadays

2010 - A month before the release http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?248074-Blood-Angels-summary

should be a nice college graduation gift for myself if its on that day

Is it likely that Seth and Dante will have W4 and A4 like C:SM Chapter Masters? IIRC Grimnar only had W3?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

Unless you're Dark Angels.

I think GW is trying to reinforce their masochistic qualities

I'm not a fan of the obvious fangs on the Terminator Captain, I hope they don't head further down the twilight route with the fluff.

There will be a BA paint set that includes a glitter dispenser to make your vampi-- I mean, Blood Angels sparkle....with the fury of the Emperor!

 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

Unless you're Dark Angels.

I think GW is trying to reinforce their masochistic qualities

Actually it has everything to do with the fact that for the past two Dark Angels books?

They've been done before the Space Marine book, and the Space Marine book then gets "new toys" that address some of the issues that were present in Dark Angels.

Eldercaveman wrote:
I'm not a fan of the obvious fangs on the Terminator Captain, I hope they don't head further down the twilight route with the fluff.

They've had fangs and been pseudo-vampires since 1996.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

Unless you're Dark Angels.

I think GW is trying to reinforce their masochistic qualities

Actually it has everything to do with the fact that for the past two Dark Angels books?

They've been done before the Space Marine book, and the Space Marine book then gets "new toys" that address some of the issues that were present in Dark Angels.

I, uh got that. I was making a joke.

 Accolade wrote:
There will be a BA paint set that includes a glitter dispenser to make your vampi-- I mean, Blood Angels sparkle....with the fury of the Emperor!

So when we have a Space Wolf vs Blood Angels we can have Detachment Jacob vs Detachment Edward.

 Deadshot wrote:
Is it likely that Seth and Dante will have W4 and A4 like C:SM Chapter Masters? IIRC Grimnar only had W3?

Seth and Dante have 4 wounds and attacks in the current book. I see no reason why it would change.

 th3maninblak wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Is it likely that Seth and Dante will have W4 and A4 like C:SM Chapter Masters? IIRC Grimnar only had W3?

Seth and Dante have 4 wounds and attacks in the current book. I see no reason why it would change.

I don't see a reason either. I just hope the characters are useful in game, and that we see some plastic resculpts of one/more of the older models.

 th3maninblak wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Is it likely that Seth and Dante will have W4 and A4 like C:SM Chapter Masters? IIRC Grimnar only had W3?

Seth and Dante have 4 wounds and attacks in the current book. I see no reason why it would change.

Not familiar with BA that much. So it was actually C:SM who changed to match BA in that case? I'm just asking because the Grey Knight Grand Master remained at 3 for both stats.

 sockwithaticket wrote:


I don't want him to have MOAR generic bling, I want him to have unique, impressive bling that also denotes his status as a commander. Look at the old metal/finecast Terminator Captain and the halo-ed skull eagle on his right leg, that is a good piece of bling that also serves to show his rank. Something like that plus a few ornate things incorporating blood drops would be grand. The Chainfist Space Hulk Terminator has an Iron Halo with blood drops in it and a skull badge with halo on the chest, those are also the sort of unique details that would have been cool rather than a whole bunch of purity seals and a plethora of small blood drops and chalices.

Fair enough, you don't like it but I think he looks fine. Detail wise I can see an Iron Halo on his head with a chalice and blood drop on it, a winged hammer with a blood drop on it, a blood drop on his chest for his Aquila, a blood drop hanging from his wait, chains around his wait and torso, a scope on his bolter, 2 blood drops on his lower left leg, bionics on his face, a shoulder shield plate with a blood drop on it, whatever that thing is that's hanging from his left wrist as well as the cape and dressings from the front. Seems to be fine for detail for me, but I know others may have different standards. Certainly a lot of blood drops, however I like blood drops.

So by your logic, every time GW throw us a bone we should snap it up in case they think it's not worth supporting the army anymore? How about, no? If they do something worthwhile I'll buy it, if not I won't, it's too pricy a hobby to do otherwise.

Absolutely, but others are going to like it. If you're not buying then that's OK for me. means It will be easier for me to pre-order a copy on Friday night.

The other thing is the BA half of the boxed set isn't very appealing to a lot of existing players. Who doesn't have Death Company? A Death Company Dreadnought/Furioso? Plus both those units have in game limitations on how many you can have (as well as being over-costed in terms of points) so unless you're running a DC army you can legitimately have too many. Tactical Terminators are a poor choice in the current meta and most people already have some; a great many of those have the wonderful Space Hulk ones.

The models will be the full kits, so you could make any dreadnought and a Blood Angels player can never have too many Death Company. That's like saying that an imperial guard player has too many Leman Russ Tanks. Also we are getting a new codex so perhaps the limitation will be removed. The Tactical terminators just seem to be a standard choice whenever they release kits (i.e DV) for some reason. I actually only own 5 Tactical Terminators of the 40mm base variety and I've been playing since 3rd edition. That's mainly because I invested in Descent of Angels jump packs and also mech hevey lists in 5th ed and before that it was all about Chappie with Death Company for me.

If the contents of the box aren't particularly useful/people already own them, then the exclusive figure needs to be great to justify the expense.
If the exclusive model is mediocre then the box contents need to be very useful/something people don't already have a lot of to justify the expense.

It's going to be different for different people. I understand that this release doesn't float your boat and it's not worth your time and money to get it but it's fine for others. I'll be happy with it, since I want the new Captain Model, the Blood Angels rule book, the Dreadnought, even though I own a few already and I'm sure I can kit out the death company with different weapon load outs too give me some variety.

For me and a lot of others, apparently, this set fails to achieve either condition.

It's always a bit like that when a new kit comes out though. The loudest voices are usually the ones who don't like a particular release. Those that are pleased just tend to keep quiet about it. That's what I was doing but I thought I would chip in just to mention that the new codex may remove limitations on the death company. It just turned into a bigger conversation in the long run.

 Deadshot wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Is it likely that Seth and Dante will have W4 and A4 like C:SM Chapter Masters? IIRC Grimnar only had W3?

Seth and Dante have 4 wounds and attacks in the current book. I see no reason why it would change.

Not familiar with BA that much. So it was actually C:SM who changed to match BA in that case? I'm just asking because the Grey Knight Grand Master remained at 3 for both stats.

I have no idea. And its ok. I was just informing you =)

Also i kinda like the fangs. Everyone immediately thinks twilight when they think of vampires. I think about Interview With a Vampire, or underworld. I dig the very subtle fangs.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
DC and DC dread are solid choices, unless you've already got both in sufficient numbers that you don't need any more. Simply painting them the colour of your regular troops isn't an approach everyone likes to take. The Xs on a lot of the gear are just too Death Company to blend in well with other units.

Funnily enough I actually used the Death Company box set to make my Sternguard and Vanguard Vets. I decided this because I wanted my vets to show some indication that they were Blood Angels marines. I bought some bolters from Forge World as well in order to give to the Sternguard.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I'd be shocked if they didn't get grav guns. Flavor units have been consistent left in their respective codices (i.e. centurions, dreadknights), but weapons (i.e. stormshields, particularly during their bipolar days) have always been included with each SM release.

Unless you're Dark Angels.

to be fair the DA codex came out before C:SM. It could have just have been a case that the idea for grav weapons came afterwards.

More pictures from next White Dwarf









Source: http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/2014/11/white-dwarf-44-nuevas-imagenes-indice-y.html

Different angle doesn't look so bad for the CM.


Still has a massive head.

His armour looks pretty bog standard for such a high ranking commander within the Blood Angels....

Only difference is the things he is wearing on top of it. You would think it would have some sort of artifice or customization present.

There are some rules about blood angels wargear in one of those pictures, but the resolution isnt high enough to make them out. Anyone get a clearer look?

 Anpu42 wrote:

So when we have a Space Wolf vs Blood Angels we can have Detachment Jacob vs Detachment Edward.

You may want to update your jokebook. It hasn't been 2006 for 8 years.

I Believe it said strike force detachment

 Kanluwen wrote:
Actually it has everything to do with the fact that for the past two Dark Angels books?

They've been done before the Space Marine book, and the Space Marine book then gets "new toys" that address some of the issues that were present in Dark Angels.

Would you stop trying to point out patterns where there are none. GW doesn't follow a logical line, and constantly changes the way they do things mid-edition, sometimes several times.

 Sidstyler wrote:
I think the model looks fine, and I'm not really sure what you want. If it was covered in any more tear drops, goblets, and purity seals than it already is it would just look way too busy, and kinda ugly. Honestly even the DC are kinda pushing it with the "bling", if anything BA needed toning down. In my opinion they've struck a pretty good balance with this captain, too often when they release a Space Marine character it's just covered in so much crap it ruins the model, and it's nice to see some restraint for once.

I don't know where you got the idea that the lack of bling was the problem. I agree with you the Blood Angels need toning down when it comes to the 'dangly bits' (which is why I left the wings off my Sanguinary Guard and removed hanging blood drops and chalices from my Death Company) but the consensus is that the model is a) too close to yet not as cool as Lorenzo who we saw originally back in 2009 and has just been re-released, and b) is sporting a rather goofy and awkward pose.

 Sidstyler wrote:
I also find it amusing that everyone is going to pass on the new box set because the Captain isn't blinged-up enough for them. So all that whining about how BA were in dire need of an update and how GW had forsaken them etc., etc., and when you finally start getting the attention you've been begging for, you turn your noses up at them and go "Meh."? Looks like maybe GW should have waited a few more years then, a BA release now looks like it's just going to be a big waste of time and money. Hell, they even put a Blood Angel Marine on the cover of the mini rulebook, I'm pretty sure adamsouza or someone else in this thread was asking for that specifically.

I'm not sure of your logic here. Yes we've been eager for some attention just as all hobbyists are when they feel a release for their army is drawing near. Doesn't mean we should be automatically delighted by whatever is put out. The only new BA bit about this is the captain (and the fluff in the campaign book). If the captain didn't look like a poor man's Lorenzo I'm sure we'd all be clamoring over it, but so soon after we saw the Space Hulk re-release the design team really needed to come up with something different to capture the imagination. The same but worse just doesn't cut it.


Just for context (and disregard the fangs, if you will)...

 theharrower wrote:

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Is the broodlord base round or oval? I think it looks round but a lot of people keep claiming its on an oval base.

Definitely oval.

Is it oval, or does it look that way with the curve of the page?

 Desubot wrote:
Different angle doesn't look so bad for the CM.


Still has a massive head.

And still looks like he's choreographing 'Dance Steps for Terminators'

 LutherMax wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Different angle doesn't look so bad for the CM.


Still has a massive head.

And still looks like he's choreographing 'Dance Steps for Terminators'

Obviously he's using Attack Plan Starlord, inspired by an old Terran legend about some guardians of the galaxy...

Sorry for the OT, but on looking at the new releases, has anyone noticed that they're selling Hobbit stuff which, in order to get the whole set, one would have to spend £118 to get 14 ordinary 28mm scale models (and small ones at that, being all dwarfs except one hobbit?)

Not sure about that Captain mini. I mean, it's not bad but as a BA Captain I imagined the armor being gold and super ornate. Dante's armor is gold. Tycho's armor is gold. Old RT captain figs have been painted up with gold. So why no gold for this guy?

ON DEADLY WINGS THEY COME !!!!!

Blood Angels perhaps ?

Sounds like the Codex: BA release

It undoubtedly is a reference to the BA. Hopefully a new model is revealed. Possibly one with wings. Come on BA counterpart to the Stormtalon!

 Kaiserbudheim wrote:
Not sure about that Captain mini. I mean, it's not bad but as a BA Captain I imagined the armor being gold and super ornate. Dante's armor is gold. Tycho's armor is gold. Old RT captain figs have been painted up with gold. So why no gold for this guy?

No reason he can't be painted gold... In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if paint jobs started popping up that made this model look good. It wouldn't be the first time my opinion of a model had been swayed by the paint job alone..,

Whats up with so many new base sizes?

I hope in the future they release the Blord on a individual box packed with options, I would buy that!

 adamsouza wrote:
ON DEADLY WINGS THEY COME !!!!!

Blood Angels perhaps ?

New winged tyranids, sorry.

 Kaiserbudheim wrote:
Not sure about that Captain mini. I mean, it's not bad but as a BA Captain I imagined the armor being gold and super ornate. Dante's armor is gold. Tycho's armor is gold. Old RT captain figs have been painted up with gold. So why no gold for this guy?

The current scheme is that "artificer" armor is painted gold. That's why Dante is gold as well as the Sanguinary Guard. Also, Tycho's official scheme is gold and he is actually a captain in artificer armor. They might be better examples than using the rogue trader bolter on the hip captain that they stopped selling 20+ years ago.

In any case, there is nothing preventing you from just deciding to paint your captain in terminator armor gold as well. There are no GW paint scheme police (or lawyers) that come to your house with a cease painting and desist from deviating letter because you painted your spees marine differently.