-Loki- wrote: If Fantasy turns into a skirmish game and I can still use what I have for what ends up being the games Undead, and the rules are decent, I'll give it a go. It's all going to hinge on three things - lowering the model count drastically, making better rules, and not invalidating previous collections.
I wish you luck on the making better rules.
They have them... or at least the frame-work for them. A marriage between LotR and WHFB would work really well if they embrace the strengths of both.
If Age of Sigmar isn't the skirmish game I really hope it is, I'm going to start work on something very similar. I'm not sure yet whether it'll be just a set of WFB profiles for LotR, or whether I'll be tweaking the core rules as well. I'm thinking magic will need an overhaul for a start, though.
Was browsing the throne of skulls guide and noticed 5 "factions" they have listed. I wonder if it could have anything to do with the Age of Sigmar rumoured 6:
The Dark Gods
Defenders of the Old World
The Ravening Hordes
The Undead Legions
The Last of the Ancients
And then the 6th being the Sigmarines?
All of the current range could fall into these factions, but we'll slowly see them phased out as the more wacky and weird are brought in.
I think that's a good deduction Bottle. WHFB will probably continue to exist in its current form for a time, but I believe like LoTR it will eventually abandoned for the new game.
As long as Undead and Chaos are still playable, I'm okay with it. I flirt with elves from time to time, but those two are my faves.
That said, I'm actually fine with the lore-bombs. I felt it was good for SOMETHING interesting to happen finally. Even if my TK's lose their unique feel, vampires are cool enough. So is Nagash.
Chopxsticks wrote: What is the reason with removing Deathknell Watch and the End times books, and to an extent the Starter boxes?? They just going to throw it in the streets and burn it? The End times books seemed like good reads, why would you not want those around anymore? They want anything with old rules gone?
I can't answer for the reason, but you're not far off with what'll happen to the stock. They will destroy it.
My mate's uncle used to work at GW, and when they threw stock out, he'd keep some of it bring it home lol.
We all did, tbh. Sometimes more than "some", even :p
Bottle wrote: Was browsing the throne of skulls guide and noticed 5 "factions" they have listed.
And then the 6th being the Sigmarines?
What do you think?
I think that 5 forces are enough, and that Sigmar does just fine with Men:
- The Dark Gods = Daemons / Beasts / Warriors of Chaos + Skaven (+ Chaos Dorfs)
- Defenders of the Old World = Empire + Brets + Dorfs (+ DoW)
- The Ravening Hordes = Orks & Goblins + Ogres (+ Fimir)
- The Undead Legions = Tomb Kings + Vampire Counts
- The Last of the Ancients = High / Dark / Wood Elves + Lizardmen
Skaven and Ogres are both a little tricky. Skaven could be folded with Orks, and Ogres could be folded with Men. I like the notion of Skaven being with Evil Chaos, and Ogres being with the goofy Orks.
That would fit the rumour of the 'narrative' being more like 40k i.e. you can play any units within an allied faction (and then anything with Unbound). Core units for each and then rules in the box for 'timed' units for each faction.
Edit 1: It would also allow a faster release schedule like 40k has now without huge army sized waves of output.
Given GW's ability to print and deliver content, I think WFB 9E will have new Army Books for all core factions by the end of the year.
The only question to me is whether they break out minor factions like Skaven / Ogres / Lizardmen into their own books, or fold them under Chaos / Orks / Elves. Personally, I hope the latter, as it allows GW to clean up and balance the core books, while creating supplements for DoW & Chaos Dorfs later.
I can see them doing compilation books like the endtimes for each of the combined factions, drop in the relevent army lists and lore, with the combined set giving the whole new background and history.
Then when new units come out they'll have stats in the box and white dwarf, maybe even add on storyline and unit books for expansions.
Would lead to a quick turn around with 6 core army/lore books and then supplements every so many months.
My biggest worry about these holy sigmarines is whether their pauldrons and shoulder pads are big enough to muscle their way into Menoth territory on my tabletop.
Besides giant arm and shoulder armor I do look forward to seeing what weird sorts of concoctions GW cook up.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Personally, I hope the latter, as it allows GW to clean up and balance the core books, while creating supplements for DoW & Chaos Dorfs later.
Heh heh, you said 'balance'
Less cynically, I do really hope for some internal balance along with these reduced factions. 40k + Fantasy both suffer so heavily from internal balance fail within the armybooks. While Fantasy was able to achieve a closer overall balance amongst the books themselves - especially when compared to the tiers of 7E - the meta around each book accreted distressingly fast after its release, as Obviously Good Things Are Obvious and the vast majority of GW players aren't interested in Taking Things Because They're Cool (though IMO Fantasy has more of us than 40k does, hence one of the reasons I left Future GrimDark a while back).
Which is to say, my fear with the fewer factions is less about background or anything (in most cases I couldn't be fethed with Fantasy's fluff), and more about viable units and armies looking different. With the 8E books 13 or so factions equaled at least 13 different builds, even if players were lazy and netlisted 'the list' from each. I'm scared that math says that 5 faction books could mean just 5 netlists, and all the abundant cool random stuff packed into the books from elsewhere never sees the table, except by us 1-8E vets clinging to decades of minis
JohnHwangDD wrote: Personally, I hope the latter, as it allows GW to clean up and balance the core books, while creating supplements for DoW & Chaos Dorfs later.
Heh heh, you said 'balance'
Less cynically, I do really hope for some internal balance along with these reduced factions. 40k + Fantasy both suffer so heavily from internal balance fail within the armybooks. While Fantasy was able to achieve a closer overall balance amongst the books themselves - especially when compared to the tiers of 7E - the meta around each book accreted distressingly fast after its release, as Obviously Good Things Are Obvious and the vast majority of GW players aren't interested in Taking Things Because They're Cool (though IMO Fantasy has more of us than 40k does, hence one of the reasons I left Future GrimDark a while back).
Which is to say, my fear with the fewer factions is less about background or anything (in most cases I couldn't be fethed with Fantasy's fluff), and more about viable units and armies looking different. With the 8E books 13 or so factions equaled at least 13 different builds, even if players were lazy and netlisted 'the list' from each. I'm scared that math says that 5 faction books could mean just 5 netlists, and all the abundant cool random stuff packed into the books from elsewhere never sees the table, except by us 1-8E vets clinging to decades of minis
- Salvage
I can see your point, shortly after the faction books are released the optimized netlists for each faction will show up and that's what everybody will point to for new players and use as a baseline for competitiveness. Unfortunately, I think the only thing that can really combat that kind of rigidity of army compostion is a good ruleset. If the ruleset is tight and the books have internal balance then the "best" build for each faction should be more of an eye of the beholder opinion and not simply the result of mathammer calculations. List building should be a process of choosing units to create an army that supports your chosen style of play and not just a matter of choosing the effective units and ignoring the worthless ones.
Still can't imagine how this could work out in a fashion that doesn't alienate more players than it brings in.
Strictly speaking, the rumor isn't "sigmarines" but rather an almost angelic faction--a virtuous mirror to Daemons.
Now you have my attention. If they are anything like the angelic faction on the Diablo III games I will have to sell one or two of my 40k armies and start fantasy.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Personally, I hope the latter, as it allows GW to clean up and balance the core books, while creating supplements for DoW & Chaos Dorfs later.
Heh heh, you said 'balance'
Each time GW has swept the deck (40k3 and WFB6), the initial balance (40k3 Rulebook, WFB Ravening Hordes) was quite good. I'm very hopeful here.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Personally, I hope the latter, as it allows GW to clean up and balance the core books, while creating supplements for DoW & Chaos Dorfs later.
Heh heh, you said 'balance'
Each time GW has swept the deck (40k3 and WFB6), the initial balance (40k3 Rulebook, WFB Ravening Hordes) was quite good. I'm very hopeful here.
You know what, I'll QFT that. While RH was a bit bland, it was nice and balanced - and supported a whole lot of existing minis, given how small it was. Here's hoping.
I'll also say this here: I really want to play Ogres in 9E (I opened 7E with them), and am entreating the Maw that there'll still be a way to do an All Big Dudes army. Flipside, if OK gets bundled up with O&G, I've already got schemes turning on converting up choice greenskin things (i.e. Ogre Manglers )
Still can't imagine how this could work out in a fashion that doesn't alienate more players than it brings in.
Strictly speaking, the rumor isn't "sigmarines" but rather an almost angelic faction--a virtuous mirror to Daemons.
Now you have my attention. If they are anything like the angelic faction on the Diablo III games I will have to sell one or two of my 40k armies and start fantasy.
The rumors I saw suggested that one should read Archaon to get an idea; the whole bit about Lileath turning the Bretonni into a "shield" comes to mind.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Personally, I hope the latter, as it allows GW to clean up and balance the core books, while creating supplements for DoW & Chaos Dorfs later.
Heh heh, you said 'balance'
Each time GW has swept the deck (40k3 and WFB6), the initial balance (40k3 Rulebook, WFB Ravening Hordes) was quite good. I'm very hopeful here.
This is true, but I'd point out that the design team of 40k3 (came out in 1998) and Revening Hordes (2000) is very different that the current team. 40k3 was, from my understanding, mostly Rick P. and Andy Chambers and Ravening Hordes Alessio and Jake Thornton. I think the current group of designers isn't of the same caliber, but that's just my opinion. I really hope you're right. As a Brett player, I've been waiting a long time for a new army book- I'll take whatever I can get at this point.
My biggest worry is the creation of a space marine type faction that everyone plays, the thing I love about fantasy is the variety, we have at my club every faction represented but no dominant one, I play beastmen legion of chaos, with dragon ogres and trolls, no one else has even remotely the same things.
40k is almost always marine on marine, which is somewhat annoying sometimes
JohnHwangDD wrote: GW has bumped rules complexity back to WFB 5 / 40k 2 levels, so WFB 9 is due for a reset and simplification.
Simplified stuff is a lot easier to balance than chromey rules.
But without seeing 9E, it's really hard to guess what GW might have done.
Just keep on hoping.
I'm waiting before I decide to toss my 5000+ pts of OK in the trash or my like size VC army. I won't sell them or trade them or ship them to anyone, they will go in the trash if the doom and gloom crowd is correct and I can't play my armies as solo-armies anymore. If fantasy becomes 40K, ally-palooza, I'll walk away and never look back.
So, hope for the best, open a trash-bag for the worst.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Rage-trashing 10k worth of WFB stuff seems a bit extreme, when you could just keep on playing some version of Oldhammer.
Yeah... just saying, if you were deadly serious about doing that... donate them to some public school hobby club, or children's hospital instead. You can opt out of the money-making, while still doing something healthy for the hobby on the whole.
Its what I will probably end up doing with my hundreds of Dust models actually. :-p
Chopxsticks wrote: Ya seriously, why say stuff like that when we all know your not going to do it... what does that add to the conversation.
Because I've done it before? If I'm done with it and there's no one nearby that wants it, it'll go in the trash. I've mailed a bunch of Mantic crap to a person on dakka before but that was after I'd trashed a good $200 worth of it. I generally don't have the time or inclination to run to the post office and deal with paypal transactions for shipping costs etc but I do have a nice salary so tossing a few hundred bucks worth of stuff out in the garbage isn't going to make me shed a tear.
Besides, all my stuff is painted and trust me, nobody wants my poorly painted models.
JohnHwangDD wrote: GW has bumped rules complexity back to WFB 5 / 40k 2 levels, so WFB 9 is due for a reset and simplification.
Simplified stuff is a lot easier to balance than chromey rules.
But without seeing 9E, it's really hard to guess what GW might have done.
Just keep on hoping.
I'm waiting before I decide to toss my 5000+ pts of OK in the trash or my like size VC army. I won't sell them or trade them or ship them to anyone, they will go in the trash if the doom and gloom crowd is correct and I can't play my armies as solo-armies anymore. If fantasy becomes 40K, ally-palooza, I'll walk away and never look back.
So, hope for the best, open a trash-bag for the worst.
I'm sorry but this is the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time, you possibly don't want to play the new rules, fine don't. You might not want your miniatures anymore, again no problem. You want to bin them throwing away probably a couple of thousand dollars in a futile gesture, stupid.
Do you think GW will change their ways because you bin you miniatures? If you are adamant you don't want them then at least do something productive, sell them and give the money to charity, donate the miniatures to a local youth club or school, send them to a women's refuge where the kids are taken out of their homes with only the clothes on their back as their mothers escape a violent relationship.
I understand you want to take a moral stand, but at least make it worthwhile one.
I'm sorry but this is the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time, you possibly don't want to play the new rules, fine don't. You might not want your miniatures anymore, again no problem. You want to bin them throwing away probably a couple of thousand dollars in a futile gesture, stupid.
Do you think GW will change their ways because you bin you miniatures? If you are adamant you don't want them then at least do something productive, sell them and give the money to charity, donate the miniatures to a local youth club or school, send them to a women's refuge where the kids are taken out of their homes with only the clothes on their back as their mothers escape a violent relationship.
I understand you want to take a moral stand, but at least make it worthwhile one.
I really don't care if GW changes or not. Actually most of the models were purchased with dividend payments from ownership of GW stock anyway. I live in a state where very few people wargame, there are no "school clubs" and the local charities generally don't accept fragile, poorly-painted toys. I donate money to United Way and already am myself a community resource for needy families on a daily basis as part of my job, they do not need my warhammer miniatures and I doubt that any of them would know what to do with them if I gave them the lot. Heck, the first GW store ever in this state just arrived about 3 years ago and of course it's about an hour away from my home. There are 3 FLGs within a 30 minute drive (4 if you expand this out to an hour and include GW) and only one of them is a GW friendly store, one is focused on Magic and the other, the largest seems to support a large number of games with very little GW sprinkled in there. I am a rarity in my area in that I even know what warhammer is. There is a local club but people there just play XWing now and I haven't heard of or seen a WHFB or 40k game played there in over a year (in fact the last time I saw a 40k played, I was playing it). I'd offer the stuff up there but it would wind up on ebay more than likely and I'm not going to give it away just so someone can make money off of it.
For me it's not a moral stand, I think you misunderstand, if I decide to toss my toys in the trash it will be because I don't anticipate ever deriving enjoyment from them again and don't want them taking up space in my nerd closet when they could be replaced with something that will provide me with enjoyment. I've been considering it anyway because I haven't played a game of WHFB since just before end times started. I might keep the VC stuff because the zombies and skellies come in handy for board games and such.
Anyway, I've derailed this thread enough, sorry folks.
Please-please GW, do not mix Skaven with Chaos. UGH. The thought of that just makes he throw-up a bit in my mouth.
Skaven are the FARTHEST thing from 'Chaotic'. Skaven always have a plan-plan!!!
If anything, Skaven scream 'Ravening hordes' as much as anyone.
I could definitely see them going to a 'system' like 40K, where you have Battleforged... and then Unbound... where Unbound lets you use 'whatever models you want'. Go ally crazy. etc.
But I hope the game doesn't come down to five armies, with an army list composed of a mix of humans, elves, dwarves. Sure - great variety - but no real character, in my opinion.
Mort wrote: Please-please GW, do not mix Skaven with Chaos. UGH. The thought of that just makes he throw-up a bit in my mouth.
Skaven are the FARTHEST thing from 'Chaotic'. Skaven always have a plan-plan!!!
If anything, Skaven scream 'Ravening hordes' as much as anyone.
I could definitely see them going to a 'system' like 40K, where you have Battleforged... and then Unbound... where Unbound lets you use 'whatever models you want'. Go ally crazy. etc.
But I hope the game doesn't come down to five armies, with an army list composed of a mix of humans, elves, dwarves. Sure - great variety - but no real character, in my opinion.
Oh well, we'll find out in a little over a month!
If anything, Archaon proved that they are all with the Chaos.
Mort wrote: Please-please GW, do not mix Skaven with Chaos. UGH. The thought of that just makes he throw-up a bit in my mouth.
Skaven are the FARTHEST thing from 'Chaotic'.
Hope you like that taste...
No, they are the farthest thing WITHIN Chaos. Skaven are merely the followers of the 6th Chaos God (after Malal). It's not for nothing that they have a Sacred Number just like every other Chaos God.
timetowaste85 wrote: Um....Skaven is totally chaos. You are quite literally the ONLY person I've seen argue against that.
That's cool.
I've just never viewed them as being part of Chaos. The fluff I've read always seems to set them apart with their own society, plans, agendas, and schemes. Are there stories somewhere I might have missed where Skaven worship or even interact with the big four? Is the Great Horned Rat actually a Chaos God? Do any of the Skaven worship the big four - or Malal? (didn't know about him/her/it, either).
Do Khorne/Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh have their own books, in either game? Or are they still all lumped together? Are there chaos cultists amongst Skaven clans?
These aren't rhetorical questions - It's quite possible I haven't read -all- the available fluff. I don't claim to be an expert. /shrug
Dude, it's like you don't understand Chaos. Skaven worship their Chaos God, not the other 5 Chaos Gods. And the others don't cross worship, either. A follower of Malal won't worship Khorne.
agnosto wrote: I generally don't have the time or inclination to run to the post office
Do you have the time or inclination to just put them in a box? Let me know the size and weight of the box, and I'll get someone to come round and pick it up - I'll make sure they go to a good home...
Chopxsticks wrote: Ya seriously, why say stuff like that when we all know your not going to do it... what does that add to the conversation.
Because I've done it before? If I'm done with it and there's no one nearby that wants it, it'll go in the trash. I've mailed a bunch of Mantic crap to a person on dakka before but that was after I'd trashed a good $200 worth of it. I generally don't have the time or inclination to run to the post office and deal with paypal transactions for shipping costs etc but I do have a nice salary so tossing a few hundred bucks worth of stuff out in the garbage isn't going to make me shed a tear.
Besides, all my stuff is painted and trust me, nobody wants my poorly painted models.
Talk about pissing money down the drain. Like others have said, go to a FLGS/gaming club and donate it.
In any case, neither of them work for GW now so there's a serious risk that a WHF reboot won't be of the same calibre.
The current crop of GW rules "writers" couldn't write the rules for rock-paper-scissors, so the hope that anything remotely decent comes out of this is very, very thin.
In any case, neither of them work for GW now so there's a serious risk that a WHF reboot won't be of the same calibre.
The current crop of GW rules "writers" couldn't write the rules for rock-paper-scissors, so the hope that anything remotely decent comes out of this is very, very thin.
The rules are pretty good in most cases, they're just overly complex and in need of tighter editing. Still a lot of fun though.
In any case, neither of them work for GW now so there's a serious risk that a WHF reboot won't be of the same calibre.
The current crop of GW rules "writers" couldn't write the rules for rock-paper-scissors, so the hope that anything remotely decent comes out of this is very, very thin.
The rules are pretty good in most cases, they're just overly complex and in need of tighter editing. Still a lot of fun though.
No, the rules are a bunch of convoluted, overcomplicated, badly written, unbalanced and extremely randomized pile of garbage.
Only someone that never actually played a miniature game outside of GW could even remotely call GW rules "good".
In any case, neither of them work for GW now so there's a serious risk that a WHF reboot won't be of the same calibre.
The current crop of GW rules "writers" couldn't write the rules for rock-paper-scissors, so the hope that anything remotely decent comes out of this is very, very thin.
The rules are pretty good in most cases, they're just overly complex and in need of tighter editing. Still a lot of fun though.
No, the rules are a bunch of convoluted, overcomplicated, badly written, unbalanced and extremely randomized pile of garbage.
Only someone that never actually played a miniature game outside of GW could even remotely call GW rules "good".
Hyperbole and veiled personal attacks for no reason, that's great. This is why discussing GW is always so constructive.
If this is going to be a reboot to try and revitatilise interest in WFB, then I don't think the "factions" will simply be merging of current armies as we understand them. It would be a complete restart.
This is the middle ground I'm on between the "it's all changing" and "you can use current model" rumours.
Perhaps current models would still be usable as placeholders.
Either way, I do expect this to be a complete reboot.
Bottle wrote: Was browsing the throne of skulls guide and noticed 5 "factions" they have listed.
And then the 6th being the Sigmarines?
What do you think?
I think that 5 forces are enough, and that Sigmar does just fine with Men:
- The Dark Gods = Daemons / Beasts / Warriors of Chaos + Skaven (+ Chaos Dorfs)
- Defenders of the Old World = Empire + Brets + Dorfs (+ DoW)
- The Ravening Hordes = Orks & Goblins + Ogres (+ Fimir)
- The Undead Legions = Tomb Kings + Vampire Counts
- The Last of the Ancients = High / Dark / Wood Elves + Lizardmen
Skaven and Ogres are both a little tricky. Skaven could be folded with Orks, and Ogres could be folded with Men. I like the notion of Skaven being with Evil Chaos, and Ogres being with the goofy Orks.
To me, this is the way for all armies to be assembled in these new factions.
I can see Skaven going to the Ravening Hordes also... But the Elves seem more apropriate to go to The Last of the Ancients instead of Defenders of the Old World.
Maybe the 6th faction can take more "old armies" then just the new race...
Boss Salvage wrote: I've passed on several GW hardbacks due to $$$ ... but I'd totally fire sale some stuff if offered
This is Games Workshop. Whilst it's a fire sale, it's still a fire sale at full RRP.
Come one, come all! We're selling off our remaining warhammer rule books before the big change! What's thay? Oh, they're still full price! Why? Well because they've become pieces of historical significance now, boy! Ready to be encased in a library, remembered as a great piece of Warhammer history. What do you mean valueless, son! If you can't afford to buy these and the new books, well then you just might now be GW material, lad, best you think about that before you go tossing bricks at Finecast houses! Now, what book would you like to bu-I mean, collect?
Come to think of it, GW really should sell its old books as historical collectors items. They'd be able to profit off the remaining stocks, and just label that stuff as historical and people are bound to buy it up.
I might check in at my local store to see what they are offering for the books. If he's willing to drop to cost to get rid of them I'll pick some up because I like them and they are pretty.
Hulksmash wrote: I might check in at my local store to see what they are offering for the books. If he's willing to drop to cost to get rid of them I'll pick some up because I like them and they are pretty.
He certainly won't be able to do anything officially, but there's no harm in asking. They are just going to get pulped anyway.
The removal of all the army books leads me to think there's going to be more changes to list construction than simply adding Unbound. The last time GW invalidated a whole line of books was the release of WHFB 6, when they introduced Core/Special/Rare.
This is by far the biggest indicator of Big Changes coming.
The sad/silly thing is that they're invalidating books that they just released as well (End Times). Sure, people can still play them using 8th edition rules but I don't think that I've heard of a company invalidating a product scant months after release; even Apple and Microsoft wait a year.
I will say that I personally wasn't buying the endtime books for rules as I pretty much viewed them as campaign books. They had some and they were cool but for me it was completely a story/fluff purchase. I do feel for people who bought them for rules though.
As someone who played fantasy 20+ years ago and only recently returned to the hobby (now 40k), I must admit that a reboot of Fantasy would be nice. I've never really liked the moving around trays thing.
So what if they're saying: We will no longer release new WHFB stuff but we will continue to produce fantasy models. Mount them on square trays and continue playing old school Fantasy, we'll provide compatible data for them.
To me, three things would possibly get me back into fantasy:
1: No trays!
2: No codexes – provide datacards to units when you buy them, as in WMH, including special rules and stats for all weapon choices. (And why not sell "booster packs" with weapons or whatever separately?)
3: Instead of codexes, provide fluff through campaign modules.
Interesting that I can't find that photo on Games Workshop: Liverpool--NSW's page.
It could be hidden or have been posted somewhere else, but if that were the case then it shouldn't be showcasing their Facebook page as having originated the photo.
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Howard A Treesong wrote: So they're just 'for sale' rather than 'on sale' at a discount? Not like when they abandoned 5th ed and books were 3 for £10
When was the last time GW ever discounted anything?
Why would you EVER expect them to discount something?
Interesting that I can't find that photo on Games Workshop: Liverpool--NSW's page.
It could be hidden or have been posted somewhere else, but if that were the case then it shouldn't be showcasing their Facebook page as having originated the photo.
You're right. Out of curiosity, I went to both their facebook and just GamesWorkshop Liverpool's page and not a trace. This leads me to one of three conclusions; they sold out and removed the post so people wouldn't show up expecting product or it's fake or they were told by HQ to take it down.
A couple of things on these factions from the Throne of Skulls pack. First, they are using all of the army selection rules from End Times, which is similar to Unbound.
Your Faction When you arrive at Throne of Skulls, we will ask you to sign up to one of the factions fighting in the End Times. Any army can sign up for any of the factions; pick which one below sounds most like your army!
The Dark Gods - these warriors want nothing more than to bring ruination and Daemonic rule to the world
Defenders of the Old World - these stalwart fighters defend hearth and home using faith, courage and steel as they try to push back the nightmares from the north.
The Ravening Hordes - as brutal as they are heedless, the ravening hordes are taking full advantage of the End Times to loot, pillage and burn everything they see.
The Undead Legions - these lords of undeath wish to see the whole world become a mausoleum as still as the grave.
The Last of the Ancients - as they watch the world that they crafted burn, these warriors must strike their final blow before it's too late.
You are fighting for the glory of your faction as well as personal fortune. At the end of the event, one faction will be declared victorious and the Old World declared theirs!
It is possible this is the army structure that they are planning to use for 9th Ed, but from the look of it, it seems more like a way to add a team facet to the event. IMO I think we are reading a bit too much into this army structure. Skaven can technically fit into any of the first three factions.
It will be interesting to see if any new information about the new edition comes out from the event, such as a display of new models or a new faction a couple weeks in advance of the Age of Sigmar release.
When was the last time GW ever discounted anything?
Why would you EVER expect them to discount something?
During the switchover from 5th to 6th ed. WHFB 15 years ago, where exactly this happened and army books were 3 for £10 due to everything being invalidated by 6th. Various other things that were due to be replaced were super cheap, such as DoW models and the old starter boxes.
Looks like this one is not going to be a smooth transition! I do not see how the rumour that it would be possible to play the current 8th or ET alongside the 9th making much sense now.
To me, three things would possibly get me back into fantasy:
1: No trays!
2: No codexes – provide datacards to units when you buy them, as in WMH, including special rules and stats for all weapon choices. (And why not sell "booster packs" with weapons or whatever separately?)
3: Instead of codexes, provide fluff through campaign modules.
But that's just me ...
I expect it to be some form of skirmish with round bases, so I doubt we'll see movement trays. However, don't expect GW to ditch army books. If anything has been shown in recent months with 40K, they are ramping up releases of codexes, so I expect the trend to continue with Fantasy. You don't need the codex unless you play that army. I also don't expect there to be cards for the units like Warmahordes.
I am optimistic about 9th Edition, since I see it as a good jumping on point for new players. It's a game and a hobby. Don't overthink it. It's not going to be an ultra competitive game, and do we really need an ultra competitive game. Just have fun with it and hopefully the rules and releases will improve this hobby.
Gw are dumping the army books for the time being, all of them being taken off the shelf next week according to the staff and my lgs has been told not to order anything more from next week onwards too.
I just grabbed some movement trays on my lunch break from GW. When I said I was picking them up before they disappeared the guy got visibly angry and snapped "They're not going away!".
So, take that for what it's worth, pretty much nothing- I know...
Etna's Vassal wrote: I just grabbed some movement trays on my lunch break from GW. When I said I was picking them up before they disappeared the guy got visibly angry and snapped "They're not going away!".
So, take that for what it's worth, pretty much nothing- I know...
Kanluwen wrote: ...
When was the last time GW ever discounted anything?
Why would you EVER expect them to discount something?
Around 2002 was the last GW discounting. They had dent/ding auctions.
My favorite thing was watching someone bid up a busted box of goblins over MSRP while several pristine boxes sat on shelf a few feet away.
Kanluwen wrote: ...
When was the last time GW ever discounted anything?
Why would you EVER expect them to discount something?
Around 2002 was the last GW discounting. They had dent/ding auctions.
My favorite thing was watching someone bid up a busted box of goblins over MSRP while several pristine boxes sat on shelf a few feet away.
Around the same time GW also did a price decrease on the CSM box due to a bit of public outcry on the fact it was the same price as the Tactical SM and only had 8 guys in it. They even had a program to reimburse the difference to anyone who had bought them at their previous price of £12 IIRC.
I'm chiming in that Age of Sigmar's is actually a board game. Told it's something like space hulk. The source that told me 7/11 was release day also told me this. So I'll run with it.
Hulksmash wrote: I might check in at my local store to see what they are offering for the books. If he's willing to drop to cost to get rid of them I'll pick some up because I like them and they are pretty.
I'm certainly pulling and dumping mine. I don't want my players accidentally buying a book that is useless. I'm tossing mine up on ebay with a hefty dicount and hoping someone wants them for collectors value.
Hulksmash wrote: I might check in at my local store to see what they are offering for the books. If he's willing to drop to cost to get rid of them I'll pick some up because I like them and they are pretty.
I'm certainly pulling and dumping mine. I don't want my players accidentally buying a book that is useless. I'm tossing mine up on ebay with a hefty dicount and hoping someone wants them for collectors value.
Is there an official policy (besides obviously "No!") from GW regarding returning them to the source for a refund as a store? Something like a 30-90 day rule or somesuch?
Hulksmash wrote: I might check in at my local store to see what they are offering for the books. If he's willing to drop to cost to get rid of them I'll pick some up because I like them and they are pretty.
I'm certainly pulling and dumping mine. I don't want my players accidentally buying a book that is useless. I'm tossing mine up on ebay with a hefty dicount and hoping someone wants them for collectors value.
Is there an official policy (besides obviously "No!") from GW regarding returning them to the source for a refund as a store? Something like a 30-90 day rule or somesuch?
99.99% of everything i buy is "non-returnable". GW included.
That said, I've had many times over the years when GW has offered me credit for product. Decades back i got to return all my epic, bloodbowl, BFG etc as those systems died down to nothing. The rules have changed, and at times all old product was returnable, sometimes not.
Currently, it's technically returnable, but not worth doing as it counts against your product support. You don't gain anything by doing so. But...sales reps have leeway on many things. Within the last year:
1) I recieved credit for old brushes to encourage me to get them off the shelf and bring in new ones.
2) Got credit for 6 cans of old white primer.
3) Was told to take care of any customer who just picked up a Space Marine Codex in the last few weeks with a brand new copy when they come out, and i'd get reimbursed.
So really, they are taking pretty good care of me and my guys. A lot depends on your relationship with GW and how much you order. I call in twice a week and keep my stock levels always full.
I could wait for Age of Sigmar and try to go for a refund on army books, but if I can basically get back my cost on ebay, it's one less thing to ask GW about. Just have to motivate myself to do so.
Anyone need a full set of 8th edition army books at 60% off ?
60% discount? Now you're tempting me to pick up a couple books just to let my kids flip through them and cut out pictures they like. They're years away from grasping a ruleset but they like painting minis and cool pictures.
timetowaste85 wrote: I'm chiming in that Age of Sigmar's is actually a board game. Told it's something like space hulk. The source that told me 7/11 was release day also told me this. So I'll run with it.
Not the first time I've heard that mentioned - the 'board game'.
But why yank the army books/rulebooks for TTG/etc, if AoS is just a board game? Could there be multiple pieces to this puzzle?
timetowaste85 wrote: Mikhaila, you got a Warriors of Chaos book at 60% off? I'd take that off your hands in a hot minute!!
Sure. One less thing to ebay. Paypal me 23.00 to Mikenjudyc@aol.com and I'll ship it up with media mail.
Other pm's replied to. Much rather sell to people on dakka rather than ebay.
One thing i'll mention: Don't send paypal payments as gifts. I appreciate folks trying to save me the 2.5%, but it actually complicates things as I call them 'sales' in my book keeping, and gifts don't let me use Paypals shipping software to print off labels.
Thunderfrog wrote: The did end of times book ever confirm whether or not the Horned Rat was Nurgle?
No, the horned rat is not nurgle. It wasn't confirmed and honestly nurgle is jolly & likes his children, the horned rat is maliscious & cares not for his followers & children. I'd say the horned rat is a minor chaos god making a power play.
Thunderfrog wrote: The did end of times book ever confirm whether or not the Horned Rat was Nurgle?
No, the horned rat is not nurgle. It wasn't confirmed and honestly nurgle is jolly & likes his children, the horned rat is maliscious & cares not for his followers & children. I'd say the horned rat is a minor chaos god making a power play.
I think chaos god myself but the rats also worship an aspect of nurgle, nurglich or something wasn't it?
Thunderfrog wrote: The did end of times book ever confirm whether or not the Horned Rat was Nurgle?
No, the horned rat is not nurgle. It wasn't confirmed and honestly nurgle is jolly & likes his children, the horned rat is maliscious & cares not for his followers & children. I'd say the horned rat is a minor chaos god making a power play.
I think chaos god myself but the rats also worship an aspect of nurgle, nurglich or something wasn't it?
Nurglitch was the Leader of the Plaque klan. Older Background had an connection to Nurgle, but that connection was mostly removed in newer background IIRC.
BTW shouldn't from this saturday on all the Armybooks plus expansions be removed from the stores and Webstore? Because their are still on on the German page.
Do we think that GW are trying to slightly (in their own inimitable way) prepare the WFB community for the (Possible? Probable?) big changes that are afoot? It has been rare in recent years for GW to tease/advertise/promote something more than a month before it is going to be released.
That said a month odd to go and we still basically know nothing about the future of Warhammer Fantasy Battle. My head hurts.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: Do we think that GW are trying to slightly (in their own inimitable way) prepare the WFB community for the (Possible? Probable?) big changes that are afoot? It has been rare in recent years for GW to tease/advertise/promote something more than a month before it is going to be released.
That said a month odd to go and we still basically know nothing about the future of Warhammer Fantasy Battle. My head hurts.
7th Edition of 40K had the exact same 1 month before "advertising" with the "There is no time for peace" posters and ads.
They also sent out a large poster around a month out showing all the new Admech stuff that hadn't been announced and that wasn't coming out for 3-4 weeks.
Guildsman wrote: Best of luck to Mikhaila and all the other store owners going through this undoubtedly ugly transition.
Still hard to believe that they're really killing Warhammer Fantasy...
Killing... or changing? Or Mixing it up a bit?
Isn't it a little too early to be throwing in the towel?
I know it's hard in this day and age - but think positive!
You call blowing up the entire world, eradicating one of the few things many people still liked about the game(the background), "mixing it up a bit"?
Sure, if all you get out of Warhammer, and all you want to get out of it, is pushing blocks of pretty plastic around for a couple of hours of a weekend - great, enjoy the Nothammer Bubbleverse or whatever. For those of us who played Warhammer because it was Warhammer, it's a touch hard to "think positive" considering they've already done the thing we're feeling negative about.
That said a month odd to go and we still basically know nothing about the future of Warhammer Fantasy Battle. My head hurts.
And I bet their sales numbers on WFB too. Way to many weeks of silence means the few that resist will eventually be lured elsewhere. GW has not learned a thing. Oh well soon enough we will find out but the MAJOR difference is that I 'm not planing anything shopping wise because I know nothing, so not saving= no extra money for such big release. Instead of getting whatever is coming on its arrival I will sit down and relax, wait for some reviews think about the changes and if its worth updating my armies or not, then actually plan some shopping... By the end of sumer or maybe near Christmas I will get into the swing of things. In short GW is so dormant when it comes to create a buzz that they only get a big yawn when things hit the shops instead of my money.
Which was allegedly the reason they decided to do something .. um .. back on 2012 or 2013 or so, when the first put the End Times/Age of Sigmar idea on the table.
Can't hurt sales that don't exist anyhow.
Here's a google translate of the early Cargad rumour, which is over a year old (well before Nagash). Emphases mine.
So there will be NO Ninth Edition,
[...]
Apparently Warhammer does not give as much money as Warhammer 40,000 and have decided to "close a big way." But (there's always a but you), remember when we said that closed the White Dwarf ? What happened in the end? Well, he shuts the White Dwarf and pulled something from his sleeve. With Warhammer same will happen, apparently there will be a new game in January. This new game is set in the world of Warhammer but will not be Warhammer , it will be a game of skirmishes with round bases. Probably some factions "die" and I guess others will appear. ¿Skirmishes with round bases? Looks like Privateer and Warmachine / Hordes really do have supplanted Warhammer in USA.
[...]
. The exact phrase I was told was "much Unless things change, there will be nine of Warhammer Fantasy, the game is over. " And so far (and taking armies completely non-Alpha as Silvan or Bretonia) it seems that it will be. All this, of course, have to take it with tweezers, that just a "rumor" launched to see the reaction of people, maybe it is a lie spread by Games Workshop to see the reactions. Let's wait.
Which was allegedly the reason they decided to do something .. um .. back on 2012 or 2013 or so, when the first put the End Times/Age of Sigmar idea on the table.
Can't hurt sales that don't exist anyhow.
Sales did exist, just not in the numbers they wanted... Different from No sales ( which I think its happening on this hiatus of news).
As for "decided to do something"... thats the crux of most GW problems these days Cynicism aside if you need to obliterate a 20 year old game background due to bad management of said game as last resort to get back on track, then my friend it does not bode well on every single instance they " decided to do something" on WFB recent past. Im an optimist but lets not for a moment be detached from the reality ok? Its not like GW landed in a drop pod out of nowhere and is changing things to save WFB... GW should not need to save anything if they had "decided to do the right thing years ago.
So this was uploaded may 12th but I assume it just went live today? Such a joke teaser video it is probably the worst one they have made lol
I'm excited for a new edition I am just SUPER worried about loosing models/kits because I want to be able to buy new armies and I don't know if I need to buy more stuff for my skaven or not.
Either way I'm excited and a skirmish game (in addition too the regular game) will be fun
Hulksmash wrote: They also sent out a large poster around a month out showing all the new Admech stuff that hadn't been announced and that wasn't coming out for 3-4 weeks.
That wasn't intentional by all accounts. It went out early, independents started handing them out because they came in with preorders--GW stores got told to do so as well since the cat was out of the bag.
You call blowing up the entire world, eradicating one of the few things many people still liked about the game(the background), "mixing it up a bit"?
Sure, if all you get out of Warhammer, and all you want to get out of it, is pushing blocks of pretty plastic around for a couple of hours of a weekend - great, enjoy the Nothammer Bubbleverse or whatever. For those of us who played Warhammer because it was Warhammer, it's a touch hard to "think positive" considering they've already done the thing we're feeling negative about.
First - yes, I play the game to play the game. The 'fluff' is 'not the game'. Maybe for you it is - but it's not for me. I enjoy reading it, of course, and I love a lot of it. But if that was the only thing keeping your interest in WHFB... well, sorry to hear that. You still have that fluff - they aren't going to confiscate it or take it away from you. Read it and enjoy it anytime you like. Heck, you and your friends could have your own 'bubbleverse', playing with the old fluff in mind, but giving the new rules a shot.
But really, do you have any idea what the new 'fluff' is going to be? Maybe it will be something similar to what you know and love. Maybe it will be something different. Maybe it will change barely enough that GW can 'justify' lumping humans and elves and dwarves together, etc. Or maybe they'll completely re-write everything, and the Empire will be the 'bad guys', Sigmar will be the new head-chaos god, and orcs will become pacifists.
Either way - throwing in the towel just seems premature. I understand the sour mood, as humans generally get set in their ways and don't like change, but you've already invested so much time and money into the hobby - what is so wrong with keeping an open mind for a month or so until you find out if it's really as bad as you think it is?
You call blowing up the entire world, eradicating one of the few things many people still liked about the game(the background), "mixing it up a bit"?
Sure, if all you get out of Warhammer, and all you want to get out of it, is pushing blocks of pretty plastic around for a couple of hours of a weekend - great, enjoy the Nothammer Bubbleverse or whatever. For those of us who played Warhammer because it was Warhammer, it's a touch hard to "think positive" considering they've already done the thing we're feeling negative about.
First - yes, I play the game to play the game. The 'fluff' is 'not the game'. Maybe for you it is - but it's not for me. I enjoy reading it, of course, and I love a lot of it. But if that was the only thing keeping your interest in WHFB... well, sorry to hear that. You still have that fluff - they aren't going to confiscate it or take it away from you. Read it and enjoy it anytime you like. Heck, you and your friends could have your own 'bubbleverse', playing with the old fluff in mind, but giving the new rules a shot.
But really, do you have any idea what the new 'fluff' is going to be? Maybe it will be something similar to what you know and love. Maybe it will be something different. Maybe it will change barely enough that GW can 'justify' lumping humans and elves and dwarves together, etc. Or maybe they'll completely re-write everything, and the Empire will be the 'bad guys', Sigmar will be the new head-chaos god, and orcs will become pacifists.
Either way - throwing in the towel just seems premature. I understand the sour mood, as humans generally get set in their ways and don't like change, but you've already invested so much time and money into the hobby - what is so wrong with keeping an open mind for a month or so until you find out if it's really as bad as you think it is?
This has been gone over, in detail, dozens of times already. Your questions and suggestions have been answered and deconstructed numerous times, read back, going into them all again would be pointless.
People said "keep an open mind" when the End Times were first rumoured. They said it again when the series started. They said it again when the series ended. Every time the reservations folk like myself were expressing beforehand were entirely vindicated, so at this point if we keep our minds any more open they'll be falling out.
You call blowing up the entire world, eradicating one of the few things many people still liked about the game(the background), "mixing it up a bit"?
Sure, if all you get out of Warhammer, and all you want to get out of it, is pushing blocks of pretty plastic around for a couple of hours of a weekend - great, enjoy the Nothammer Bubbleverse or whatever. For those of us who played Warhammer because it was Warhammer, it's a touch hard to "think positive" considering they've already done the thing we're feeling negative about.
First - yes, I play the game to play the game. The 'fluff' is 'not the game'. Maybe for you it is - but it's not for me. I enjoy reading it, of course, and I love a lot of it. But if that was the only thing keeping your interest in WHFB... well, sorry to hear that. You still have that fluff - they aren't going to confiscate it or take it away from you. Read it and enjoy it anytime you like. Heck, you and your friends could have your own 'bubbleverse', playing with the old fluff in mind, but giving the new rules a shot.
But really, do you have any idea what the new 'fluff' is going to be? Maybe it will be something similar to what you know and love. Maybe it will be something different. Maybe it will change barely enough that GW can 'justify' lumping humans and elves and dwarves together, etc. Or maybe they'll completely re-write everything, and the Empire will be the 'bad guys', Sigmar will be the new head-chaos god, and orcs will become pacifists.
Either way - throwing in the towel just seems premature. I understand the sour mood, as humans generally get set in their ways and don't like change, but you've already invested so much time and money into the hobby - what is so wrong with keeping an open mind for a month or so until you find out if it's really as bad as you think it is?
While, fluff is extremely important to my enjoyment of a game, I'm actually starting to look forward to 9th edition. I was very reluctant at first to give up the Warhammer world I know and love, but after a couple decades I think a change could be warranted. The world has existed on the brink of destruction for so long, it seems the right time to resolve the issue. Plus, if I don't like it, I have all of the older editions in my collection and will play one of them instead. I realize, though, that the tournament and pick-up game players have more of a gripe since their ability to get games of older editions may be limited (unless there is a large amount of the player base that rejects the changes).
@Yodhrin Totally agree. You can't "keep an open mind" about something you love coming to an end and being replaced with a spin-off, which is what the rumours indicate is happening here.
Bull0 wrote: @Yodhrin Totally agree. You can't "keep an open mind" about something you love coming to an end and being replaced with a spin-off, which is what the rumours indicate is happening here.
I am enthusiastically open minded to the idea that I may be less disappointed with GW than I am now, and that the new game and fluff may not suck.
You call blowing up the entire world, eradicating one of the few things many people still liked about the game(the background), "mixing it up a bit"?
Sure, if all you get out of Warhammer, and all you want to get out of it, is pushing blocks of pretty plastic around for a couple of hours of a weekend - great, enjoy the Nothammer Bubbleverse or whatever. For those of us who played Warhammer because it was Warhammer, it's a touch hard to "think positive" considering they've already done the thing we're feeling negative about.
First - yes, I play the game to play the game. The 'fluff' is 'not the game'. Maybe for you it is - but it's not for me. I enjoy reading it, of course, and I love a lot of it. But if that was the only thing keeping your interest in WHFB... well, sorry to hear that. You still have that fluff - they aren't going to confiscate it or take it away from you. Read it and enjoy it anytime you like. Heck, you and your friends could have your own 'bubbleverse', playing with the old fluff in mind, but giving the new rules a shot.
But really, do you have any idea what the new 'fluff' is going to be? Maybe it will be something similar to what you know and love. Maybe it will be something different. Maybe it will change barely enough that GW can 'justify' lumping humans and elves and dwarves together, etc. Or maybe they'll completely re-write everything, and the Empire will be the 'bad guys', Sigmar will be the new head-chaos god, and orcs will become pacifists.
Either way - throwing in the towel just seems premature. I understand the sour mood, as humans generally get set in their ways and don't like change, but you've already invested so much time and money into the hobby - what is so wrong with keeping an open mind for a month or so until you find out if it's really as bad as you think it is?
The fluff/setting isnt just the stories though, it also effects the game. The gaming side is more fun having varied distinct themed armies fighting, rather than everyone just using whatever units they like, which from the rumours its leaning more towards, or at the very least less diverse and themed armies.
As for not knowing what the fluff will be and it maybe being similar, we already know it isnt. Its changed COMPLETELY - the world is blown up, this is fact, what comes next we only have rumours, but ive not heard one that sounds better than what they destroyed.
So while im waiting to see what is coming, everything known, learned and rumoured is worse as far as im concerned.
You call blowing up the entire world, eradicating one of the few things many people still liked about the game(the background), "mixing it up a bit"?
Sure, if all you get out of Warhammer, and all you want to get out of it, is pushing blocks of pretty plastic around for a couple of hours of a weekend - great, enjoy the Nothammer Bubbleverse or whatever. For those of us who played Warhammer because it was Warhammer, it's a touch hard to "think positive" considering they've already done the thing we're feeling negative about.
First - yes, I play the game to play the game. The 'fluff' is 'not the game'. Maybe for you it is - but it's not for me. I enjoy reading it, of course, and I love a lot of it. But if that was the only thing keeping your interest in WHFB... well, sorry to hear that. You still have that fluff - they aren't going to confiscate it or take it away from you. Read it and enjoy it anytime you like. Heck, you and your friends could have your own 'bubbleverse', playing with the old fluff in mind, but giving the new rules a shot.
But really, do you have any idea what the new 'fluff' is going to be? Maybe it will be something similar to what you know and love. Maybe it will be something different. Maybe it will change barely enough that GW can 'justify' lumping humans and elves and dwarves together, etc. Or maybe they'll completely re-write everything, and the Empire will be the 'bad guys', Sigmar will be the new head-chaos god, and orcs will become pacifists.
Either way - throwing in the towel just seems premature. I understand the sour mood, as humans generally get set in their ways and don't like change, but you've already invested so much time and money into the hobby - what is so wrong with keeping an open mind for a month or so until you find out if it's really as bad as you think it is?
I agree with you on this one Mort!
I'm someone who plays the game for the game first and then the story second. I enjoy the story of my beloved skaven and like to see new parts of the story but if they change it drastically I'm still going to play the game...and hell I'll probably love the new fluff too!
I'm excited for the new edition, new books, new story and new skirmish game. I can still play 8th if 9th is terrible but I'll learn to love 9th in the end I'm sure.
LETS GET EXCITED EVERYONE 9TH IS COMING AND WILL BE AMAZING (or I hope at least hehe)
This seems a lot like the type of games my group played back in the early 90's. I had an army that was a mix of Chaos, Undead, and other types. They were some pretty fun games, actually. Is this what GW is coming back around to?
I keep the fluff to the novels and the game to the army books and current editions.
Each army book fluff is so pandering to the said faction, that after reading you would assume they can never lose. The story books, in my mind, tell it like it is.
This has been gone over, in detail, dozens of times already. Your questions and suggestions have been answered and deconstructed numerous times, read back, going into them all again would be pointless.
People said "keep an open mind" when the End Times were first rumoured. They said it again when the series started. They said it again when the series ended. Every time the reservations folk like myself were expressing beforehand were entirely vindicated, so at this point if we keep our minds any more open they'll be falling out.
LOL. good one. But this isn't about End Times, or any of those other issues you're trying to deflect to. This is about an entirely new edition... with rumored changes more than any previous version.
Anyway - everyone does what they need to do, of course. I just think it's pretty silly - especially for those of us who have sunk thousands of $ and hours into the game - to blow a gasket and 'quit' before we've even seen the new system, fluff, etc. It makes no sense to me, but ultimately, it doesn't matter whether I understand it or not.
But - to each his own. You can of course do whatever you want with your time, $, and whatever armies/figs you already have. There are plenty of alternatives. I'll hope that even though you're already writing-off the new edition, maybe you'll sneak a peak into it later on (without spending a penny) and find out for yourself if it really ends up as bad as you assume it's going to be. Who knows? Maybe I will hate it and can sell you my books at 50% off!
We know they hauled the army books down and such, but so far - have any of the minis been pulled? What sort of fluff is going to explain all of them? I'm interested to find out.
kloma wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6h51BxZ-Dc there ya go
I think it's the third time it has been posted on this thread
Quite excited to see the contents in the box, and check if they have come with new aesthetics or they will preserve the style they have right now (maybe slightly grimmier?)
mikhaila wrote: So tomorrow I get to beat up my GW rep about AoS, and he'll deny it totally because of stupid rules. Then Monday hopefully they will have something to say about it. Unless GW is ungodly stupid and wants us to ignore AoS until the week before, like they have us do now with everything else. In which case I'll spend another month selling DnD, flames of war, warmahordes, magic, and 100 other games that people are excited about. Then in the last 7 days try to get customers to thing about AoS , which i will have maybe a paragraph of into on.
I used to think that FLGS owners were exaggerating the problems of dealing with GW, but the other week I bumped into an old friend who has his own FLGS, and he said that he'd rather drink petrol and urinate on a fire than deal with GW.
I cannot fathom why a company would be so reluctant to tell people what it's selling. 99.9% of other companies are shouting buy this! Buy this! Not GW
As always, this latest news about everything in 8th getting mothballed, only confirms what I already know - getting out of GW's games was the smartest thing I ever did.
"An open mind is like a fortress with the drawbridge down and the gates unbarred."
I read that in a book some time. I wonder who published that book?
I have to say the first end times book, nagash, was a good development of the old world's story. How did we get from that to the world ending and the game seemingly being binned so fast?
Tamereth wrote: "An open mind is like a fortress with the drawbridge down and the gates unbarred."
I read that in a book some time. I wonder who published that book?
I have to say the first end times book, nagash, was a good development of the old world's story. How did we get from that to the world ending and the game seemingly being binned so fast?
Game was allegedly binned before the ET-books was written.
GW Manager 1: Fantasy isn't selling, we'll need to bin the game. GW Manager 2: Great, just pull the plug? GW Manager 3: How about a little campaign book, to give it a send off. GW Manager 1: Fine, but make it a tiny print-run only. Nobody buys fantasy anyhow. GW Manager 2: I'll let our slave-writers know.
GW Writer writing ET-book 1 on a Monday ~9.30 am: This is fun. I finally get to shake things up a bit. GW Writer writing ET-book 2 on a Tuesday ~2.30 pm: This is sorta fun. Gotta shill the new Nurgle-guy nobody heard about, but I still get to wreck stuff.
GW Manager 1: Holy!! This is selling!! GW Manager 2: All right. Lets add a few more books to the ET campaign!
GW Writer writing ET-book 3 on a Thursday ~5.30 pm: gak... tight deadline. Gotta finish this book in a week.
GW Writer writing ET-book 4 on a long Friday at the office ~10.30 pm: It's getting kinda repetitive. Oh well, more booze. GW Writer writing ET-book 5 on Weekend overtime ~4.40 am: Kill! Maim! Burn! Kill! Maim! Burn! *drools on page*
I'm still not sure I can wrap my mind around "Wait and See".
We know what happened to the Warhammer world. There appear to be only a few options at this point:
Retcon the whole thing. Certainly does not appear to be happening at all, especially given the most recent WD doubles down on it.
Set the entire game in an earlier age of the world Again, this is possible, but then the material in the WD is teasing for some event that will not be addressed at all in that scenario.
Set the game in an alternate reality and ignore the End Times Again, possible, but given that WD just mentioned the whole thing again, it seems unlikely.
Create a fantasy game on a new world with the survivors: This really seems to be the only scenario which makes sense if you are going to mention the Lizardmen fleeing before destruction, and other survivors, and someone grasping a new world.
The only scenario that seems to fit what GW has been repeatedly teasing is a new fantasy world populated with the incredibly sparse survivors of the old. If that is something that interests you, then great! Wait and see how it plays.
If, like myself, you have absolutely no interest in a game of post-apocalyptic survivors struggling to create civilization on a new world, then what are we waiting to see? I had interest in the struggles and resolution of things in the Warhammer world. Those are resolved. I hate that resolution with the blinding passion of a million exploding suns, but GW resolved it. I couldn't give less of a crap how the infinitesimally small* amount of survivors gets on in an entirely new setting.
Given that GW decided to destroy the world setting that I liked, I'm not inclined to wait and see if they create a new world setting that I like. They have already removed something I wanted to play, and have demonstrated their willingness to do so (so should I like the new game, maybe they will decide to bin that one too).
*And, given the books, the number of survivors should be incredibly few, mostly Skaven and Lizardmen. GW specifically tells you that everything is devoured by Chaos, and enumerates the things that escape (Slann citadels, Skaven warp-tunnels, the hidden elves (maybe). Everything else dies. Reality is consumed by chaos. Of course, knowing that GW has no problem crapping all over their own backstory, even days after releasing it, we will probably discover that all the writers neglected to mention that thousands of humans, orcs, elves, dwarves, and, of course, all sorts of monsters , all just happened to also survive completely unmentioned and all also just happened to land on the same place in the vast infinity of chaos. And, of course, that world had cows and pigs and oak trees and everything else just like the old world that was destroyed. Heck, maybe there weren't a bunch of survivors, but it just so happened that the new world has humans and orcs and goblins and dwarves who all just happen to have a civilization just like the one that was destroyed, down to the same designs on the flags! Thus, crapping on all the people who hated the End Times backstory, AND crapping on the people who liked the End Times backstory.
People said "keep an open mind" when the End Times were first rumoured. They said it again when the series started. They said it again when the series ended. Every time the reservations folk like myself were expressing beforehand were entirely vindicated, so at this point if we keep our minds any more open they'll be falling out.
This is all I see when I hear those "Keep an open mind" comments.
As always, this latest news about everything in 8th getting mothballed, only confirms what I already know - getting out of GW's games was the smartest thing I ever did.
Well I don't know about it being confirmed just yet but from likely indications it appears that a whole lot of stuff has to be mothballed based on what has happened to the WHFB world (blown up). Some speculation that everything will still be legal (in game) when the new edition comes out doesn't negate the fact that a death sentence has to be hanging over a huge amount of different unit types and models in the near future. Best to wait and see what the new release is like before making a decision to get out of GW related purchases
Tamereth wrote:
I have to say the first end times book, nagash, was a good development of the old world's story. How did we get from that to the world ending and the game seemingly being binned so fast?
The first end times book (Nagash) was very very good and could have taken the fluff in a very promising direction. Glottkin wasn't too bad either; direction of the Warhammer World and game still had potential. It was the 3rd book (Thanquol) where things really started to go pear shaped. It was at that stage it was hard to avoid the very realistic fact that a boardroom was clearing out things to redefine something new with preferably stronger IP etc.
Da Butcha wrote:I'm still not sure I can wrap my mind around "Wait and See".
We know what happened to the Warhammer world. There appear to be only a few options at this point:
Retcon the whole thing. Certainly does not appear to be happening at all, especially given the most recent WD doubles down on it.
Set the entire game in an earlier age of the world Again, this is possible, but then the material in the WD is teasing for some event that will not be addressed at all in that scenario.
Set the game in an alternate reality and ignore the End Times Again, possible, but given that WD just mentioned the whole thing again, it seems unlikely.
Create a fantasy game on a new world with the survivors: This really seems to be the only scenario which makes sense if you are going to mention the Lizardmen fleeing before destruction, and other survivors, and someone grasping a new world.
The only scenario that seems to fit what GW has been repeatedly teasing is a new fantasy world populated with the incredibly sparse survivors of the old. If that is something that interests you, then great! Wait and see how it plays.
If, like myself, you have absolutely no interest in a game of post-apocalyptic survivors struggling to create civilization on a new world, then what are we waiting to see? I had interest in the struggles and resolution of things in the Warhammer world. Those are resolved. I hate that resolution with the blinding passion of a million exploding suns, but GW resolved it. I couldn't give less of a crap how the infinitesimally small* amount of survivors gets on in an entirely new setting.
Given that GW decided to destroy the world setting that I liked, I'm not inclined to wait and see if they create a new world setting that I like. They have already removed something I wanted to play, and have demonstrated their willingness to do so (so should I like the new game, maybe they will decide to bin that one too).
*And, given the books, the number of survivors should be incredibly few, mostly Skaven and Lizardmen. GW specifically tells you that everything is devoured by Chaos, and enumerates the things that escape (Slann citadels, Skaven warp-tunnels, the hidden elves (maybe). Everything else dies. Reality is consumed by chaos. Of course, knowing that GW has no problem crapping all over their own backstory, even days after releasing it, we will probably discover that all the writers neglected to mention that thousands of humans, orcs, elves, dwarves, and, of course, all sorts of monsters , all just happened to also survive completely unmentioned and all also just happened to land on the same place in the vast infinity of chaos. And, of course, that world had cows and pigs and oak trees and everything else just like the old world that was destroyed. Heck, maybe there weren't a bunch of survivors, but it just so happened that the new world has humans and orcs and goblins and dwarves who all just happen to have a civilization just like the one that was destroyed, down to the same designs on the flags! Thus, crapping on all the people who hated the End Times backstory, AND crapping on the people who liked the End Times backstory.
Backed themselves into a hole really. Still want to see what the lay of the land looks like with this new game but your reasoning above is sound. Very little survives at the end of the End Times so can't see how pre-existing forces like Dwarves and Orcs n Goblins will look similar to what we have now. I'd expect a new steampunk style skirmish game inspired by Warmahordes with models on round bases. I would say the models will be exceptional but the background storyline and progression from the old Warhammer history will be underwhelming.
If it had been me, I would have had the world blowing up, the Lizardmen evacuating everybody on their space ships, and the new setting being some planet they discovered, where everybody fights for control.
That might have worked. Instead, I think we'll get a horrible, halfway house approach, that annoys everybody.
Another option, they roll it into 40K somehow; everything's invalidated and the new miniatures will have bolters and the fluff explains it all away as the origins of squats, ogryn, eldar cousins, etc...
Orock wrote: reading about the survivors huddling around the giant tree then slowly falling to death from chaos was really depressing.
And what happened to gortek?
Spoiler:
Gotreks doom was to take the place of Grimnir, in the realm of chaos, at a gate that allows entry into the mortal world, there to battle daemons for all eternity. He may or may not have slain Belakor, as well. Its not clear.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: If it had been me, I would have had the world blowing up, the Lizardmen evacuating everybody on their space ships, and the new setting being some planet they discovered, where everybody fights for control.
That might have worked. Instead, I think we'll get a horrible, halfway house approach, that annoys everybody.
If it had been me, I would never have moved away from the idea that what the company was selling was the IP, the settings, the framework for people to tell their own stories. I'd have divided both 40K and Fantasy into four distinct eras(Age of the Emperor, Age of the Imperium, Age of Apostasy, and Age of Apocalypse for 40K, then say Age of the Ancients, Age of Chaos, Age of the Old World, and the End Times for Fantasy) and given them all, over time, proper support through campaign books in the style of the Heresy series(with Apocalypse/End Times being the "default" setting of the main games both ending where they should - with everything hanging in the balance and open for players to resolve if they want). I'd have "fixed" Fantasy by addressing the actual problem with the system - rules written for models at historicals prices but models selling at boutique collector prices.
But that would require an actual investment of money and effort, much easier to squat, coil out a few End Times books, then throw the result at the wall and call it Age of Sigmar.
Compel wrote: I thought I heard rumours of it being some sort of Reimagined Battlestar Galactica style thing?
Everything has happened before, will happen again.
Sorta idea.
Thats kind of the vibe I'm getting, with the chaos gods getting bored and kickstarting the entire process again. With the survivors of the old world being the founders of the new.
it'll be interesting if any other of the special characters make it over to the new world and if they remember the old.
Let's face it, the only time GW announce something more than a week in advance is for an edition change of one of their flagship games. Add to the fact that all rules based products for WHFB has been stripped from the shelves, Age of Sigmar is the followup to 8th Ed WHFB. Whether it's recognisable as 9th edition, or a completely different game, that's to be determined. But no way in hell is it a Space Hulk/Execution force style board game.
MaxT wrote: Let's face it, the only time GW announce something more than a week in advance is for an edition change of one of their flagship games. Add to the fact that all rules based products for WHFB has been stripped from the shelves, Age of Sigmar is the followup to 8th Ed WHFB. Whether it's recognisable as 9th edition, or a completely different game, that's to be determined. But no way in hell is it a Space Hulk/Execution force style board game.
Let me give you an introductory, 101 course on GW business logic.
Advertising is bad. The less people know of your new product, the more people will buy it.
If high prices are restricting sales, then the solution is even higher prices.
If a popular product is selling well, stop selling that product
If your customers are asking for X, give them Y
Point is, nobody has a clue what GW are ever thinking. We could either see a brand new 9th edition, or we're just as likely to see a snotling codex!!
'These were the End Times. The world is no more, torn apart by treachery and Chaos. And yet... endings beget beginnings.
Listen carefully. Can you hear it? The cruel laughter of dark gods? It dances on the winds between worlds, striving to be heard, for the ruinous powers bore easily, and they seek tirelessly for new realities to conquer. Where there is life, Chaos will find it, and misery and bloodshed will soon follow.
The world is gone, but all may not be lost.
The descendants of the Old Ones left before the Chaos moon destroyed their homelands, that much is certain. But where did they go?
Am I the only one to think there is something wrong with the colors used for this new "Age of Sigmar"? I mean, yellow on blue...it doesn't feel like a grim and dark universe to me. It feels like something...blank, a new useless product made by some marketing team.
We'll see what's this all about in a month, I guess. But that really starts on the wrong foot, to me...
But Warhammer isn't Grim and Dark. Well, wasn't. When it existed. If you see what I mean.
One of the things that I liked about Warhammer was that there was a chance that the "good guys" would win, and that it wasn't all just doomed (like in 40k). The Empire is on the brink of technological revolution, for example. The High Elves, for all their 5000 year civil war, seemed to be doing OK. The Dwarfs were in trouble, but a large ex-pat community in the Empire seemed to be fairly stable. And anywhere south of the Empire, Tilea for example, seemed to be doing generally OK. There was a lot of corruption within, chaos cults and so forth, which is way more interesting than just "bad guys from the north coming to burn everything" but doesn't translate onto a wargames table.
And then they blew it all up. Cretins.
Anyway, if there is a new background, which involves a new world, how is that going to be anything except "good guys triumphing against not existing anymore" rather than GRIMDARK?
Honestly, much prefer. Not really aesthetically - the not-retro vibe of the not-steampunk / not-space pulp gold hammer on blue is better executed, if obnoxiously colored - but ye old composite of Ghal Maraz + comet + shkullsh at least feels like Warhammer.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: In regards to this possibly being a board game rather than a whole new game or edition, how early did they unveil the assassin game? I can't remember.
Week before, like every other GW release since the last edition of 40K.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Point is, nobody has a clue what GW are ever thinking. We could either see a brand new 9th edition, or we're just as likely to see a snotling codex!!
Yeah.... but it'a pretty bloody unlikely they've stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks (even ones they've only released in the past 6 months for End Times) and are giving us a 1 month warning (more than anything since 7th edition 40k) only to release Warhammer Armies: Snotlings.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Point is, nobody has a clue what GW are ever thinking. We could either see a brand new 9th edition, or we're just as likely to see a snotling codex!!
Yeah.... but it'a pretty bloody unlikely they've stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks (even ones they've only released in the past 6 months for End Times) and are giving us a 1 month warning (more than anything since 7th edition 40k) only to release Warhammer Armies: Snotlings.
Can you actually verify that more than just the one shop, if it indeed was, has "stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks"?
My own GW has said nothing of this, and the post from that specific shop(Liverpool NSW) is either hidden, in a group that the manager joined, or some other weirdness--because the photo(which SHOULD appear in the store's photo collection) does not exist nor does any post about it.
Sarouan wrote: Am I the only one to think there is something wrong with the colors used for this new "Age of Sigmar"? I mean, yellow on blue...it doesn't feel like a grim and dark universe to me. It feels like something...blank, a new useless product made by some marketing team.
We'll see what's this all about in a month, I guess. But that really starts on the wrong foot, to me...
In the grim darkness of the past, there is only Sweden!
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Point is, nobody has a clue what GW are ever thinking. We could either see a brand new 9th edition, or we're just as likely to see a snotling codex!!
Yeah.... but it'a pretty bloody unlikely they've stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks (even ones they've only released in the past 6 months for End Times) and are giving us a 1 month warning (more than anything since 7th edition 40k) only to release Warhammer Armies: Snotlings.
Can you actually verify that more than just the one shop, if it indeed was, has "stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks"?
My own GW has said nothing of this, and the post from that specific shop(Liverpool NSW) is either hidden, in a group that the manager joined, or some other weirdness--because the photo(which SHOULD appear in the store's photo collection) does not exist nor does any post about it.
I can confirm it, having gone into my local GW yesterday. No army books, no End Times books on the shelves; the movement trays are still there though, for those keeping track. The spots just have the Age of Sigmar poster up, and they have a little cardboard flier with the poster on it to take away. I took it away. Then put it in the bin, as I didn't know what else to do with it. True story.
Edit to add: no rulebooks either. I didn't look for Island of Blood, but I also don't remember seeing it, and it is a pretty big box.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Point is, nobody has a clue what GW are ever thinking. We could either see a brand new 9th edition, or we're just as likely to see a snotling codex!!
Yeah.... but it'a pretty bloody unlikely they've stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks (even ones they've only released in the past 6 months for End Times) and are giving us a 1 month warning (more than anything since 7th edition 40k) only to release Warhammer Armies: Snotlings.
Can you actually verify that more than just the one shop, if it indeed was, has "stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks"?
My own GW has said nothing of this, and the post from that specific shop(Liverpool NSW) is either hidden, in a group that the manager joined, or some other weirdness--because the photo(which SHOULD appear in the store's photo collection) does not exist nor does any post about it.
I believe Mikhaila has posted he's been told he can send stuff back off the shelf, and I know another owner who personally told me he was informed to send stuff back. So yes, store owners are being given a heads up.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Point is, nobody has a clue what GW are ever thinking. We could either see a brand new 9th edition, or we're just as likely to see a snotling codex!!
Yeah.... but it'a pretty bloody unlikely they've stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks (even ones they've only released in the past 6 months for End Times) and are giving us a 1 month warning (more than anything since 7th edition 40k) only to release Warhammer Armies: Snotlings.
Can you actually verify that more than just the one shop, if it indeed was, has "stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks"?
My own GW has said nothing of this, and the post from that specific shop(Liverpool NSW) is either hidden, in a group that the manager joined, or some other weirdness--because the photo(which SHOULD appear in the store's photo collection) does not exist nor does any post about it.
Said photo was up and was removed.
My local Gw store and, AFAIK, all the Uk ones have removed the previously listed WFB products, all replaced with a "placeholder" consisting of a card printout of the Age of Sigmar text and/or logo.
Sarouan wrote: Am I the only one to think there is something wrong with the colors used for this new "Age of Sigmar"? I mean, yellow on blue...it doesn't feel like a grim and dark universe to me. It feels like something...blank, a new useless product made by some marketing team.
We'll see what's this all about in a month, I guess. But that really starts on the wrong foot, to me...
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Point is, nobody has a clue what GW are ever thinking. We could either see a brand new 9th edition, or we're just as likely to see a snotling codex!!
Yeah.... but it'a pretty bloody unlikely they've stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks (even ones they've only released in the past 6 months for End Times) and are giving us a 1 month warning (more than anything since 7th edition 40k) only to release Warhammer Armies: Snotlings.
Can you actually verify that more than just the one shop, if it indeed was, has "stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks"?
My own GW has said nothing of this, and the post from that specific shop(Liverpool NSW) is either hidden, in a group that the manager joined, or some other weirdness--because the photo(which SHOULD appear in the store's photo collection) does not exist nor does any post about it.
I can confirm it, having gone into my local GW yesterday. No army books, no End Times books on the shelves; the movement trays are still there though, for those keeping track. The spots just have the Age of Sigmar poster up, and they have a little cardboard flier with the poster on it to take away. I took it away. Then put it in the bin, as I didn't know what else to do with it. True story.
Edit to add: no rulebooks either. I didn't look for Island of Blood, but I also don't remember seeing it, and it is a pretty big box.
Ditto, i was in a GW on Saturday, all rulebooks/army books/end times/starter boxes gone from the shelves. Leaflet & poster up.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've had a long, hard think about this (about 5 mins ) and I've came to the conclusion that maybe the Age of Sigmar really is the age of Sigmar.
In other words, we should take GW at their word.
It's a possibility that they've went back to the beginning, and decided to set 9th in pre-Empire days.
Most of the races were around back then...
This is the best and most interesting guess I've heard yet. This has a lot of potential, and sounds just like something GW would do. They didn't destroy the world, at least not permanently, they just gave Sigmar a chance to win the fight for the good guys.
The big question, What was the state of each of the races during this time, and how would they fit into this 6 faction idea for the new edition?
Beastmen - They should exist, probably more so in the northern waste then spare all over the old world
Bretonnia - The realms of men haven't really founded this nation yet
Daemons of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Dark Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Dwarfs - They are alive and well in the mountains and befriended Sigmar
High Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Lizardmen - The servants of the Old ones prosper
Ogre Kingdoms - I guess they hadn't changed
Orcs & Goblins - Alive and causing havoc as normal
Skaven - No sign of them yet, but they should exist, but probably warrinjg amongst each other, maybe pre- council of 13
The Empire - Men haven't found this one yet
Tomb Kings - At war with Settra
Vampire Counts - Learning the Dark arts from nagash
Warriors of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Wood Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Based on this information, The following Groups exist: Men, Dwarfs, Elves, Lizardmen, Hordes of Chaos, Ogres, O&G, Skaven, Undead
Based on relative location, we could have groups like:
Men + Dwarfs
Hordes of Chaos
O&G + Ogres
Skaven
Undead
Lizardmen + Elves
Having read Many of the Time of Legends books. I for one hope that they do reset the clock, remake the world into the time of Sigmar.
Can you actually verify that more than just the one shop, if it indeed was, has "stripped the shelves of all current army books and rulebooks"?
My own GW has said nothing of this, and the post from that specific shop(Liverpool NSW) is either hidden, in a group that the manager joined, or some other weirdness--because the photo(which SHOULD appear in the store's photo collection) does not exist nor does any post about it.
I can confirm that the store in Amsterdam and my hometown have both done it as well.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've had a long, hard think about this (about 5 mins ) and I've came to the conclusion that maybe the Age of Sigmar really is the age of Sigmar.
In other words, we should take GW at their word.
It's a possibility that they've went back to the beginning, and decided to set 9th in pre-Empire days.
Most of the races were around back then...
This is the best and most interesting guess I've heard yet. This has a lot of potential, and sounds just like something GW would do. They didn't destroy the world, at least not permanently, they just gave Sigmar a chance to win the fight for the good guys.
The big question, What was the state of each of the races during this time, and how would they fit into this 6 faction idea for the new edition?
Beastmen - They should exist, probably more so in the northern waste then spare all over the old world
Bretonnia - The realms of men haven't really founded this nation yet
Daemons of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Dark Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Dwarfs - They are alive and well in the mountains and befriended Sigmar
High Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Lizardmen - The servants of the Old ones prosper
Ogre Kingdoms - I guess they hadn't changed
Orcs & Goblins - Alive and causing havoc as normal
Skaven - No sign of them yet, but they should exist, but probably warrinjg amongst each other, maybe pre- council of 13
The Empire - Men haven't found this one yet
Tomb Kings - Haven't been killed and cursed yet - negash
Vampire Counts - Haven't been created by negash yet
Warriors of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Wood Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Based on this information, The following Groups exist: Men, Dwarfs, Elves, Lizardmen, Hordes of Chaos, Ogres, O&G, Skaven, Undead
Based on relative location, we could have groups like:
Men + Dwarfs
Hordes of Chaos
O&G + Ogres
Skaven
Undead
Lizardmen + Elves
Having read Many of the Time of Legends books. I for one hope that they do reset the clock, remake the world into the time of Sigmar.
It's pure speculation, but maybe GW have been watching Terminator, or Doctor who, and decided to add time travel/changing history vibe to the mix.
I agree with you that some factions, like Elves, will operate as a united faction, so maybe this could reduce the number of races, whilst still maintaining the flavour of previous editions.
Vampires will be around in Sigmar's days, so I'm happy.
Of course anything COULD happen, tomorrow COULD be the beginning of the zombie apocalypse.... but at this point you can't really fault people for going along with what is most likely. Sure, they COULD be replacing all of WHFB with a Space Hulk like game.... it's not likely though.
Of course anything COULD happen, tomorrow COULD be the beginning of the zombie apocalypse.... but at this point you can't really fault people for going along with what is most likely. Sure, they COULD be replacing all of WHFB with a Space Hulk like game.... it's not likely though.
Boardroom of a normal company.
Person X: Hey, you know that new game we started selling?
Person Y: You mean Space Hulk?
Person X: Yeah, Space hulk. it's selling really well, but stock is low. What should we do?
Person Y: Are you a comedian? Order more! make more! Do I have to give you a map and a native American guide!!
\person X : Sorry, I'm not thinking straight. All that work hyping up our new product left me tired. If only we could do it a week in advance, instead of months in advance. Damn! I hate being a normal company.
GW Boardroom.
Minion: (Falls to his knees) Lord Kirby, I regret to inform you that our new Space Hulk game...
Lord Kirby: Well, go on, you damned lackey! Cat got your tongue?
Minion:...it's...sold...out... (minion pleads for life)
Lord Kirby: Asteroids do not concern me! You have failed me for the last time...
Sound of gurgling and choking as minion pays the price for failure
The big question, What was the state of each of the races during this time, and how would they fit into this 6 faction idea for the new edition?
Beastmen - They should exist, probably more so in the northern waste then spare all over the old world
Bretonnia - The realms of men haven't really founded this nation yet
Daemons of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Dark Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Dwarfs - They are alive and well in the mountains and befriended Sigmar
High Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Lizardmen - The servants of the Old ones prosper
Ogre Kingdoms - I guess they hadn't changed
Orcs & Goblins - Alive and causing havoc as normal
Skaven - No sign of them yet, but they should exist, but probably warrinjg amongst each other, maybe pre- council of 13
The Empire - Men haven't found this one yet
Tomb Kings - At war with Settra
Vampire Counts - Learning the Dark arts from nagash
Warriors of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Wood Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Based on this information, The following Groups exist: Men, Dwarfs, Elves, Lizardmen, Hordes of Chaos, Ogres, O&G, Skaven, Undead
Based on relative location, we could have groups like:
Men + Dwarfs
Hordes of Chaos
O&G + Ogres
Skaven
Undead
Lizardmen + Elves
Having read Many of the Time of Legends books. I for one hope that they do reset the clock, remake the world into the time of Sigmar.
There are some inaccuracies in where the races were at in that point of the timeline, so to update it:
Beastmen: Exist in the wooded areas throughout the old world. Empire constantly battles against them during the Sigmar trilogy.
Bretonnia: They existed already, because Sigmar offered to them to join the Empire when it was founded, but they declined the invitation.
Dark Elves: The sundering had already happened by the time Sigmar was in place. Sundering happened at -2723, so the DE would be in Naggaroth by now and on their raids.
Skaven: They definitely exist, they just aren't "known of" as the Skaven. They appear in the 2nd book of the Sigmar trilogy, fighting the Dwarfs and humans under Middenheim. So they are around. Not as technically advanced yet, but they are there and they are scheming. They are basically just urban legends unconfirmed at this point.
The Empire: Not sure how they would handle that with this. Depends upon where they pick up the time of Sigmar. Is he already ruler? If so, they have already fought the first battle of Black Fire Pass and are turning into a bustling nation. If it is before Sigmar is crowned, then they are a bunch of small forces that fight amongst themselves a ton.
Wood Elves: Sundering and War of the Beard had already happened and they had fled to Athel Loren by this point.
IMO, going back to that time period doesn't really help to collapse armies, at least a lot less than the End Times collapsed them. As an Empire player, I would really be interested in playing games from that time period, but I really don't think that is the direction they are going to go in with it. I am still thinking this is Sigmar appearing on a new planet/reality/what-have-you and starting a new bastion against chaos there. This so happens to be a world where the warp energy that engulfed the Old World (a fitting name now) will deposit survivors to. This will bring surviving races into the fold, as there were lots of different races fighting battles when the world was engulfed by the warp energy.
Given that that's the exact same hammer (and comet trails!) from the cover of the 8E book, I'm gonna call it a 'shop job. While they've always had Ghal Maraz on the cover, the art has been different between editions.
That Thunder sound effect on the Gamesworkshop home page made me gak myself. I had my volume turned RIGHT UP as I was listening to a youtube video. Bass too.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: That Thunder sound effect on the Gamesworkshop home page made me gak myself. I had my volume turned RIGHT UP as I was listening to a youtube video. Bass too.
Thanks for the heads up!
I was prepared for it, honest!
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: That Thunder sound effect on the Gamesworkshop home page made me gak myself. I had my volume turned RIGHT UP as I was listening to a youtube video. Bass too.
The big question, What was the state of each of the races during this time, and how would they fit into this 6 faction idea for the new edition?
Beastmen - They should exist, probably more so in the northern waste then spare all over the old world
Bretonnia - The realms of men haven't really founded this nation yet
Daemons of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Dark Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Dwarfs - They are alive and well in the mountains and befriended Sigmar
High Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Lizardmen - The servants of the Old ones prosper
Ogre Kingdoms - I guess they hadn't changed
Orcs & Goblins - Alive and causing havoc as normal
Skaven - No sign of them yet, but they should exist, but probably warrinjg amongst each other, maybe pre- council of 13
The Empire - Men haven't found this one yet
Tomb Kings - At war with Settra
Vampire Counts - Learning the Dark arts from nagash
Warriors of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Wood Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Based on this information, The following Groups exist: Men, Dwarfs, Elves, Lizardmen, Hordes of Chaos, Ogres, O&G, Skaven, Undead
Based on relative location, we could have groups like:
Men + Dwarfs
Hordes of Chaos
O&G + Ogres
Skaven
Undead
Lizardmen + Elves
Having read Many of the Time of Legends books. I for one hope that they do reset the clock, remake the world into the time of Sigmar.
There are some inaccuracies in where the races were at in that point of the timeline, so to update it:
Beastmen: Exist in the wooded areas throughout the old world. Empire constantly battles against them during the Sigmar trilogy.
Bretonnia: They existed already, because Sigmar offered to them to join the Empire when it was founded, but they declined the invitation.
Dark Elves: The sundering had already happened by the time Sigmar was in place. Sundering happened at -2723, so the DE would be in Naggaroth by now and on their raids.
Skaven: They definitely exist, they just aren't "known of" as the Skaven. They appear in the 2nd book of the Sigmar trilogy, fighting the Dwarfs and humans under Middenheim. So they are around. Not as technically advanced yet, but they are there and they are scheming. They are basically just urban legends unconfirmed at this point.
The Empire: Not sure how they would handle that with this. Depends upon where they pick up the time of Sigmar. Is he already ruler? If so, they have already fought the first battle of Black Fire Pass and are turning into a bustling nation. If it is before Sigmar is crowned, then they are a bunch of small forces that fight amongst themselves a ton.
Wood Elves: Sundering and War of the Beard had already happened and they had fled to Athel Loren by this point.
IMO, going back to that time period doesn't really help to collapse armies, at least a lot less than the End Times collapsed them. As an Empire player, I would really be interested in playing games from that time period, but I really don't think that is the direction they are going to go in with it. I am still thinking this is Sigmar appearing on a new planet/reality/what-have-you and starting a new bastion against chaos there. This so happens to be a world where the warp energy that engulfed the Old World (a fitting name now) will deposit survivors to. This will bring surviving races into the fold, as there were lots of different races fighting battles when the world was engulfed by the warp energy.
In the old Brettonia codex wasn't one of the castles that pseudo-King Arthur raises the siege on being besieged by the Skaven?
In the old Brettonia codex wasn't one of the castles that pseudo-King Arthur raises the siege on being besieged by the Skaven?
It could be. The bit they use a lot in the Black Library books about the Empire is always that there were rumors that walking rats had attacked various places. The people are always discounted as being crazy and stuff like that. Which was always an enjoyable bit.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: That Thunder sound effect on the Gamesworkshop home page made me gak myself. I had my volume turned RIGHT UP as I was listening to a youtube video. Bass too.
The big question, What was the state of each of the races during this time, and how would they fit into this 6 faction idea for the new edition?
Beastmen - They should exist, probably more so in the northern waste then spare all over the old world
Bretonnia - The realms of men haven't really founded this nation yet
Daemons of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Dark Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Dwarfs - They are alive and well in the mountains and befriended Sigmar
High Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Lizardmen - The servants of the Old ones prosper
Ogre Kingdoms - I guess they hadn't changed
Orcs & Goblins - Alive and causing havoc as normal
Skaven - No sign of them yet, but they should exist, but probably warrinjg amongst each other, maybe pre- council of 13
The Empire - Men haven't found this one yet
Tomb Kings - At war with Settra
Vampire Counts - Learning the Dark arts from nagash
Warriors of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Wood Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Based on this information, The following Groups exist: Men, Dwarfs, Elves, Lizardmen, Hordes of Chaos, Ogres, O&G, Skaven, Undead
Based on relative location, we could have groups like:
Men + Dwarfs
Hordes of Chaos
O&G + Ogres
Skaven
Undead
Lizardmen + Elves
Having read Many of the Time of Legends books. I for one hope that they do reset the clock, remake the world into the time of Sigmar.
There are some inaccuracies in where the races were at in that point of the timeline, so to update it:
Beastmen: Exist in the wooded areas throughout the old world. Empire constantly battles against them during the Sigmar trilogy.
Bretonnia: They existed already, because Sigmar offered to them to join the Empire when it was founded, but they declined the invitation.
Dark Elves: The sundering had already happened by the time Sigmar was in place. Sundering happened at -2723, so the DE would be in Naggaroth by now and on their raids.
Skaven: They definitely exist, they just aren't "known of" as the Skaven. They appear in the 2nd book of the Sigmar trilogy, fighting the Dwarfs and humans under Middenheim. So they are around. Not as technically advanced yet, but they are there and they are scheming. They are basically just urban legends unconfirmed at this point.
The Empire: Not sure how they would handle that with this. Depends upon where they pick up the time of Sigmar. Is he already ruler? If so, they have already fought the first battle of Black Fire Pass and are turning into a bustling nation. If it is before Sigmar is crowned, then they are a bunch of small forces that fight amongst themselves a ton.
Wood Elves: Sundering and War of the Beard had already happened and they had fled to Athel Loren by this point.
IMO, going back to that time period doesn't really help to collapse armies, at least a lot less than the End Times collapsed them. As an Empire player, I would really be interested in playing games from that time period, but I really don't think that is the direction they are going to go in with it. I am still thinking this is Sigmar appearing on a new planet/reality/what-have-you and starting a new bastion against chaos there. This so happens to be a world where the warp energy that engulfed the Old World (a fitting name now) will deposit survivors to. This will bring surviving races into the fold, as there were lots of different races fighting battles when the world was engulfed by the warp energy.
Having looked at a detailed timeline, your right I do have some inaccuracies. You are right on all accounts except Bretonnia. They are still a tribe throughtout Sigmar's life, Gilis Le Breton, doesn't form the Kingdom until 979.
The beastmen part was to say they are mostly in the north, but it's really just semantics.
Given that that's the exact same hammer (and comet trails!) from the cover of the 8E book, I'm gonna call it a 'shop job. While they've always had Ghal Maraz on the cover, the art has been different between editions.
Everytime I see that 'hammer' image, I keep thinking they are going all 40K on us - by adding a jump pack to the hammer.
GW rep called my FLGS today - wanted to know number of Fantasy books he had on shelves - it's a Tier 4 store, so he would get full recompense on their costs. GW is taking questions from FLGS for the next two weeks, sending to Nottingham, then a FAQ will be sent out.
To be clear - it was NOT asked to send back books.
Pretty dicey stuff there, GW. All current models are confirmed for now, except for End Times. Those will be addressed in FAQ.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I've had a long, hard think about this (about 5 mins ) and I've came to the conclusion that maybe the Age of Sigmar really is the age of Sigmar.
In other words, we should take GW at their word.
It's a possibility that they've went back to the beginning, and decided to set 9th in pre-Empire days.
Most of the races were around back then...
This is the best and most interesting guess I've heard yet. This has a lot of potential, and sounds just like something GW would do. They didn't destroy the world, at least not permanently, they just gave Sigmar a chance to win the fight for the good guys.
The big question, What was the state of each of the races during this time, and how would they fit into this 6 faction idea for the new edition?
Beastmen - They should exist, probably more so in the northern waste then spare all over the old world
Bretonnia - The realms of men haven't really founded this nation yet
Daemons of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Dark Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Dwarfs - They are alive and well in the mountains and befriended Sigmar
High Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Lizardmen - The servants of the Old ones prosper
Ogre Kingdoms - I guess they hadn't changed
Orcs & Goblins - Alive and causing havoc as normal
Skaven - No sign of them yet, but they should exist, but probably warrinjg amongst each other, maybe pre- council of 13
The Empire - Men haven't found this one yet
Tomb Kings - At war with Settra
Vampire Counts - Learning the Dark arts from nagash
Warriors of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes
Wood Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Based on this information, The following Groups exist: Men, Dwarfs, Elves, Lizardmen, Hordes of Chaos, Ogres, O&G, Skaven, Undead
Based on relative location, we could have groups like:
Men + Dwarfs
Hordes of Chaos
O&G + Ogres
Skaven
Undead
Lizardmen + Elves
Having read Many of the Time of Legends books. I for one hope that they do reset the clock, remake the world into the time of Sigmar.
Few bits and pieces - I too love the Age of Legends books :
The Sundering hapened long before Sigmar as did the War of the Beard/Vengeance
The Dwarves are only just starting to ally with Sigmar following his rescue of the High King
Nagash was thought the be destroyed by the Skaven and the Vampires are scattered to the various corners of the world - as he sets off to reclaim his crown Nagash gets a single vampire (Khalid) from Neferta in Silver Pinancle so he can make more.
Skaven are very active
The human tribes are quite distinctive at this time and would make very cool armies - IMO
However It does look like they are starting a whole new world with some survivors.....
Sarouan wrote: Am I the only one to think there is something wrong with the colors used for this new "Age of Sigmar"? I mean, yellow on blue...it doesn't feel like a grim and dark universe to me. It feels like something...blank, a new useless product made by some marketing team.
We'll see what's this all about in a month, I guess. But that really starts on the wrong foot, to me...
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It'll be called Age of Sigmar; there will be no '9th' or 'Warhammer'.
There will be a loyal vs chaos starter boxset. This is where the skirmish rumours come from. The big rulebook will follow shortly afterwards. Both in July.
There will be FAQ-esque lists for current armies to transfer over until the new versions are released (in whatever form they arrive - whether by army or faction). Not sure if at launch or staggered via digital and/or WD releases.
What do you guys think will happen to existing WHFB kits? Do you think ones like Lizardmen will be discontinued? I'm trying to stock up on as many as I can for Mordheim kitbashes :/
I couldn't see GW removing so many awesome plastic kits though, especially ones like Dwarves that are still relatively new
The "Age of Sigmar" thing realllllly doesnt make sense to me.
Isnt the company rebranding storefaces in england to say "warhammer" instead of "games-workshop" so that people would know what they are dealing with? why would you change the name of your product while youre changing the company name to reflect the product?
I couldn't see GW removing so many awesome plastic kits though, especially ones like Dwarves that are still relatively new
Well, we're talking about a company that made plastic sprues for one event and has not sold them since. Also, the End Times stuff is all really new and is being pulled according to some.
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Kiwidru wrote: The "Age of Sigmar" thing realllllly doesnt make sense to me.
Isnt the company rebranding storefaces in england to say "warhammer" instead of "games-workshop" so that people would know what they are dealing with? why would you change the name of your product while youre changing the company name to reflect the product?
That and they can't really call themselves "Games" Workshop anymore since they pretty much just support 1 game (40K) and whatever this new fantasy thing is.
This is the best and most interesting guess I've heard yet. This has a lot of potential, and sounds just like something GW would do. They didn't destroy the world, at least not permanently, they just gave Sigmar a chance to win the fight for the good guys.
The big question, What was the state of each of the races during this time, and how would they fit into this 6 faction idea for the new edition?
Beastmen - They should exist, probably more so in the northern waste then spare all over the old world Bretonnia - The realms of men haven't really founded this nation yet Daemons of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes Dark Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves Dwarfs - They are alive and well in the mountains and befriended Sigmar High Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves Lizardmen - The servants of the Old ones prosper Ogre Kingdoms - I guess they hadn't changed Orcs & Goblins - Alive and causing havoc as normal Skaven - No sign of them yet, but they should exist, but probably warrinjg amongst each other, maybe pre- council of 13 The Empire - Men haven't found this one yet Tomb Kings - At war with Settra Vampire Counts - Learning the Dark arts from nagash Warriors of Chaos - They exist in the northern wastes Wood Elves - The Sundering has not occurred yet, there is only one faction of Elves
Based on this information, The following Groups exist: Men, Dwarfs, Elves, Lizardmen, Hordes of Chaos, Ogres, O&G, Skaven, Undead
At the time of The Sundering Sigmar hadn't even been born, neither had Nagash, for that matter. If I remember correctly then men hadn't developed anything beyond a tribal culture at the most until quite a while after the sundering had taken place.
So the Tomb Kings wouldn't exist and neither would the Vampire Counts. Nagash learned Dark Magic from a captured Dark Elf Sorceress, so he wouldn't be able to teach anyone, even if he were alive.
I have about everything i want, but I have made a small list of models i might buy if i read that they will disappear.
But untill i know what will happen to WHFB with at least a little bit of certainty i will not buy anything.
I quit buying WHFB models about a year ago when End Times and the rumours of the new WHFB began.
ntdars wrote: What do you guys think will happen to existing WHFB kits? Do you think ones like Lizardmen will be discontinued? I'm trying to stock up on as many as I can for Mordheim kitbashes :/
I couldn't see GW removing so many awesome plastic kits though, especially ones like Dwarves that are still relatively new
I'm certainly curious about this as well. I seriously doubt that many (if any?) are getting dropped, but at this point in the game there just really isn't anything that I would put past GW. I am most curious about how this whole thing will influence second hand sales. Are we going to enter into an OOP price jump, a flood of low prices as people dump what they have, or is it going to mostly stay the same. I would put my money on the latter, but who knows?
Even with the most stretched and contorted mental gymnastics, I cannot wrap my brain around why a company keeps the release of a major part of its product a secret.
Strombones wrote: I would put my money on the latter, but who knows?
Even with the most stretched and contorted mental gymnastics, I cannot wrap my brain around why a company keeps the release of a major part of its product a secret.
And that's the real problem here. A reboot is fine, may even be a good thing, but if the only voices out in the wild are negative, you open yourself up to people running away and not coming back. GW fails again and again to even grasp the most rudimentary concepts behind marketing and advertising which is surprising from a company that wants to sale people something.
"Hey everybody, something will come out in July and we're calling it the 'Age of Sigmar' but that's all we're going to tell anyone, even the people that we expect to sell it."
GW Rep:"How many copies of Age of Sigmar do you want to order?"
Store Owner: "What is it?"
GW Rep: "We can't tell you until the pre-release, a week before the release."
Store Owner: "Then how can I know that it's worth selling? How am I supposed to build anticipation for the product and get my customers excited about it if you won't even tell me what it is?"
GW Rep: "C'mon guy, it's us, you know it's all good."
Store Owner: "You said the same thing with Dreadfleet..."
GW Rep: "So, I can put you down for 50 copies?"
Store Owner: "Is it a book? A board game? Models? What is it?"
GW Rep: "Look, I told you that we can't tell you that until the week before.....hello? hello? I must have lost the connection."
I couldn't see GW removing so many awesome plastic kits though, especially ones like Dwarves that are still relatively new
Well, we're talking about a company that made plastic sprues for one event and has not sold them since. Also, the End Times stuff is all really new and is being pulled according to some.
You can pull the books without pulling the models.
Strombones wrote: I would put my money on the latter, but who knows?
Even with the most stretched and contorted mental gymnastics, I cannot wrap my brain around why a company keeps the release of a major part of its product a secret.
Store Owner: "Then how can I know that it's worth selling? How am I supposed to build anticipation for the product and get my customers excited about it if you won't even tell me what it is?"
GW Rep: "C'mon guy, it's us, you know it's all good."
Store Owner: "You said the same thing with Dreadfleet..."
GW Rep: "So, I can put you down for 50 copies?"
Store Owner: "Is it a book? A board game? Models? What is it?"
GW Rep: "Look, I told you that we can't tell you that until the week before.....hello? hello? I must have lost the connection."
This. I have no idea what to be excited about. Now, if I got to see the game box for a month before it is released (assuming its a boxed boardgame aka necromunda, gorkamorka, mordheim) I could perhaps get my friends stoked for it and prepare to buy it. As it is now... What the heck is GW talking about? What is AoS? A new End of Times rollercoaster? A remake?
Strombones wrote: I would put my money on the latter, but who knows?
Even with the most stretched and contorted mental gymnastics, I cannot wrap my brain around why a company keeps the release of a major part of its product a secret.
And that's the real problem here. A reboot is fine, may even be a good thing, but if the only voices out in the wild are negative, you open yourself up to people running away and not coming back. GW fails again and again to even grasp the most rudimentary concepts behind marketing and advertising which is surprising from a company that wants to sale people something.
"Hey everybody, something will come out in July and we're calling it the 'Age of Sigmar' but that's all we're going to tell anyone, even the people that we expect to sell it."
GW Rep:"How many copies of Age of Sigmar do you want to order?"
Store Owner: "What is it?"
GW Rep: "We can't tell you until the pre-release, a week before the release."
Store Owner: "Then how can I know that it's worth selling? How am I supposed to build anticipation for the product and get my customers excited about it if you won't even tell me what it is?"
GW Rep: "C'mon guy, it's us, you know it's all good."
Store Owner: "You said the same thing with Dreadfleet..."
GW Rep: "So, I can put you down for 50 copies?"
Store Owner: "Is it a book? A board game? Models? What is it?"
GW Rep: "Look, I told you that we can't tell you that until the week before.....hello? hello? I must have lost the connection."
They've not so much as shot themselves in the foot, as take a grenade launcher to both feet!
From what I heard, people stopped buying any fantasy stuff as soon as end times ended, because they did not trust GW, and they weren't willing to buy fantasy stuff, only to see it pulled the next day, when a new version came out.
Simple communication from GW could have averted this. Instead, they lost more money. What a way to run a business.
Strombones wrote: I would put my money on the latter, but who knows?
Even with the most stretched and contorted mental gymnastics, I cannot wrap my brain around why a company keeps the release of a major part of its product a secret.
Store Owner: "Then how can I know that it's worth selling? How am I supposed to build anticipation for the product and get my customers excited about it if you won't even tell me what it is?"
GW Rep: "C'mon guy, it's us, you know it's all good."
Store Owner: "You said the same thing with Dreadfleet..."
GW Rep: "So, I can put you down for 50 copies?"
Store Owner: "Is it a book? A board game? Models? What is it?"
GW Rep: "Look, I told you that we can't tell you that until the week before.....hello? hello? I must have lost the connection."
This. I have no idea what to be excited about. Now, if I got to see the game box for a month before it is released (assuming its a boxed boardgame aka necromunda, gorkamorka, mordheim) I could perhaps get my friends stoked for it and prepare to buy it. As it is now... What the heck is GW talking about? What is AoS? A new End of Times rollercoaster? A remake?
Don't get Mikhalia started on dealing with GW. Poor guy will end up bursting a blood vessel.
I was in my local GW today and they had a lot of current Warhammer stuff on round bases. One set of models looked very conspicuous as conversions in the style of the new 'holy knights'. It's been well rumoured that models will be on round bases but it was weird seeing them set up that way and not ranked up; 10 ironbreakers were done up in formation on round bases
Honestly, it looks more like someone doing conversions for a 40k force than anything else. The first photo you posted has a loadout very similar to a Grey Knight squad would have--even using some Grey Knight parts.
The first photo are Warriors of Chaos with their icons clipped off the shields. The shoulder pads are from the knights of chaos unit. Several heads are space wolves, one is a knight helmet with the horns cut off, and one is a blood angel head. One sword is from the power armored grey knight unit with a plague bearer head impaled at the end.
Kanluwen wrote: Honestly, it looks more like someone doing conversions for a 40k force than anything else.
Eh? Are we looking at the same pics?
Screams Fantasy to me.
Edit - I like how it all looks on round bases. So many Fantasy minis are crying out to be presented this way rather than hidden away in a square block of troops
Kanluwen wrote: Honestly, it looks more like someone doing conversions for a 40k force than anything else.
Eh? Are we looking at the same pics?
Screams Fantasy to me.
Look again at the first picture. The guy took the time to scrape off Chaos iconography, but left the Space Wolves skull on the storm shield in the back left corner? He left the 'force weapon doodads' on the claymores?
Edit - I like how it all looks on round bases. So many Fantasy minis are crying out to be presented this way rather than hidden away in a square block of troops
Kanluwen wrote: Honestly, it looks more like someone doing conversions for a 40k force than anything else.
Eh? Are we looking at the same pics?
Screams Fantasy to me.
Edit - I like how it all looks on round bases. So many Fantasy minis are crying out to be presented this way rather than hidden away in a square block of troops
Kanluwen wrote: Honestly, it looks more like someone doing conversions for a 40k force than anything else. The first photo you posted has a loadout very similar to a Grey Knight squad would have--even using some Grey Knight parts.
Remember, this is from a GW store. Their store managers are the LAST people to find out anything about where GW is taking things. I'm not reading too much into these pics, especially seeing as how there are some 40K models in there too.
I couldn't see GW removing so many awesome plastic kits though, especially ones like Dwarves that are still relatively new
Well, we're talking about a company that made plastic sprues for one event and has not sold them since. Also, the End Times stuff is all really new and is being pulled according to some.
You can pull the books without pulling the models.
I'm not doubting GW would do this but outside of conversion material and collecting, I fail to see a reason to own a model that has no co nection to the current game (assumption here of course) because it got blowed the back up when the world died.
They're a 40k inquisitor army including lots of skaven?
I mean, I'm not saying it has broader meaning than that the staff at this GW probably read the same rumours we do, but "that's just a 40k army", really?
Kiwidru wrote: The "Age of Sigmar" thing realllllly doesnt make sense to me.
Isnt the company rebranding storefaces in england to say "warhammer" instead of "games-workshop" so that people would know what they are dealing with? why would you change the name of your product while youre changing the company name to reflect the product?
It doesn't make sense to you because "Age of Sigmar" isn't the name of Warhammer 9th edition.
it's (going by rumors) either a Board Game (aka space hulk) or the new Starter Set (ala Isle of Blood)
Looking at the pics again, seems like they are making a few Mordheim armies and putting them on round bases. Skaven, Dwarves, one group had about 3-4 Witch Hunters, which fits one of the factions in that game. Another guy looks like a merchant which IIRC is used in one of the factions as well.
HobbyBox wrote: Remember, this is from a GW store. Their store managers are the LAST people to find out anything about where GW is taking things. I'm not reading too much into these pics, especially seeing as how there are some 40K models in there too.
I'm seeing Skaven, Dwarfs, Empire and Bretonnians in the pics and some Fantasy-esque conversions using 40K bits.
Any 40K interpretations of the models shown are made by crazy people
Bull0 wrote: They're a 40k inquisitor army including lots of skaven?
I mean, I'm not saying it has broader meaning than that the staff at this GW probably read the same rumours we do, but "that's just a 40k army", really?
People have done 40k Space skaven before.
But the knights and witch hunter could easily just be a 40k army.
HobbyBox wrote: Looking at the pics again, seems like they are making a few Mordheim armies and putting them on round bases. Skaven, Dwarves, one group had about 3-4 Witch Hunters, which fits one of the factions in that game. Another guy looks like a merchant which IIRC is used in one of the factions as well.
Everytime I mention Mordheim in a GW store, I get scowled at by the staff. Not sure Mordheim Warbands would be on display.
HobbyBox wrote: Remember, this is from a GW store. Their store managers are the LAST people to find out anything about where GW is taking things. I'm not reading too much into these pics, especially seeing as how there are some 40K models in there too.
I'm seeing Skaven, Dwarfs, Empire and Bretonnians in the pics and some Fantasy-esque conversions using 40K bits.
Any 40K interpretations of the models shown are made by crazy people
So the end times poster in the display case means nothing?
Edit:
And usually when you see fantasy conversions for 40K, people take the time to actually put a gun or two in a few model's hands instead of plonking a fantasy model on a round base.
Not gone through all the posts as there seems to be many since I last checked this thread.
However has anyone posted this image?
Hex base looks way better than both square and round. If true it suggests ranking up is still the norm (so square bases are still OK) and with 45 degrees of movement will make ranking easier too.
Why? If they are rebasing why go thru the trouble of doing a new kind of base. When it came to 40k the 32mm rounds make more sense aesthetically for certain 40k armies and fit the theme. And if some people want to rebase they can. If you're going to make people rebase regardless why spend the money on hex molds? Not like a 2 month jump on 3rd party customs (which people will wait for if they want it) is going to be huge sales...
Hulksmash wrote: Why? If they are rebasing why go thru the trouble of doing a new kind of base. When it came to 40k the 32mm rounds make more sense aesthetically for certain 40k armies and fit the theme. And if some people want to rebase they can. If you're going to make people rebase regardless why spend the money on hex molds? Not like a 2 month jump on 3rd party customs (which people will wait for if they want it) is going to be huge sales...
HobbyBox wrote: Looking at the pics again, seems like they are making a few Mordheim armies and putting them on round bases. Skaven, Dwarves, one group had about 3-4 Witch Hunters, which fits one of the factions in that game. Another guy looks like a merchant which IIRC is used in one of the factions as well.
That's the best explanation for what this is, I think. "40k army". looool
Hex bases would certainly be an interesting turn of events, and I can see it mixing up the gameplay significantly... we'll see.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: GW has hex bases, the used them in the dim and distant past for their AD&D range (and maybe Judge Dredd and Paranoia)
so producing them would not cost anything,
although I don't think the image is genuine
I relaly doubt they still have the mold tools for those hex bases, so no, it would cost quite a bit to get new ones. They haven't done AD&D for...what? 25 years? Over 30 years? Since before I was born, probably.
Just a quick thought I had today, maybe ninth edition will be the first edition of a new game that we will know as Warhammer: Age of Sigmar. It would tie in with Warhammer: 40,000 and I suppose would help give them an overall branding that makes sense with the renaming of stores to Warhammer from Games Workshop?
Is it July 4th yet?
I want to order whatever is coming out! So excited!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and also I'm not opposed to round bases if there is a skirmish style game.
I might make my empire army into a little narrative warband. I'm not one for creating fluff behind my armies but I really want to be able to play a fun narrative campaign with smaller armies...even in a skirmish style it would be perfect
I still won't change any of my 7000 points of skaven onto round bases...its not worth it I want ranks upon ranks of little ratties!!!! Moooorrreeee vermin!!!
Daston wrote: Not gone through all the posts as there seems to be many since I last checked this thread.
However has anyone posted this image?
Hex base looks way better than both square and round. If true it suggests ranking up is still the norm (so square bases are still OK) and with 45 degrees of movement will make ranking easier too.
Someone on Warseer posted that pic. It is Photoshopd, and was meant as a joke when the alleged pictures of round bases in a Fantasy order emergerd.
To come back to the possible future of WH F ...
I mean, I wouldn't mind a GOOD and AFFORDABLE smaller scale (not skirmish) "post apocalyptic" fantasy game with magic and gak.
Post apocalyptic usually goes in the mad max direction, which is fine, but post apocalyptic fantasy is surprisingly rare.
But it will cost a million dollars, have bad writing, even worse rules and overall a big failure... It's GW.
I couldn't see GW removing so many awesome plastic kits though, especially ones like Dwarves that are still relatively new
Well, we're talking about a company that made plastic sprues for one event and has not sold them since. Also, the End Times stuff is all really new and is being pulled according to some.
Quite a few companies have made single run plastic sprues for events (like Salute) or occasions (I've got a few LE Malifaux mini's in plastic). With cheaper aluminium moulding you can get a short production run for a reasonable price now.
Hulksmash wrote: Why? If they are rebasing why go thru the trouble of doing a new kind of base. When it came to 40k the 32mm rounds make more sense aesthetically for certain 40k armies and fit the theme. And if some people want to rebase they can. If you're going to make people rebase regardless why spend the money on hex molds? Not like a 2 month jump on 3rd party customs (which people will wait for if they want it) is going to be huge sales...
Makes people buy new bases.
Feths 3rd parties
Fethin brilliant!
For all of about an hour, then they'd have their range remoulded into hexes. They could probably still get them shipping out before GW's pre-release.
And that's the real problem here. A reboot is fine, may even be a good thing, but if the only voices out in the wild are negative, you open yourself up to people running away and not coming back. GW fails again and again to even grasp the most rudimentary concepts behind marketing and advertising which is surprising from a company that wants to sale people something.
"Hey everybody, something will come out in July and we're calling it the 'Age of Sigmar' but that's all we're going to tell anyone, even the people that we expect to sell it."
GW Rep:"How many copies of Age of Sigmar do you want to order?"
Store Owner: "What is it?"
GW Rep: "We can't tell you until the pre-release, a week before the release."
Store Owner: "Then how can I know that it's worth selling? How am I supposed to build anticipation for the product and get my customers excited about it if you won't even tell me what it is?"
GW Rep: "C'mon guy, it's us, you know it's all good."
Store Owner: "You said the same thing with Dreadfleet..."
GW Rep: "So, I can put you down for 50 copies?"
Store Owner: "Is it a book? A board game? Models? What is it?"
GW Rep: "Look, I told you that we can't tell you that until the week before.....hello? hello? I must have lost the connection."
I strongly doubt that.
GW Rep: "Do you like selling Space Marines?"
Store Owner: "Yeah!"
GW Rep: " Do you think you can keep your store afloat on Warmachine alone?"
Store Owner: "Umm .. unlikely ..."
GW Rep: "Great, So I'll put you down for 50 boxes of Age of Sigmar, fantastic."
Store Owner: "But ... what? ... never heard of it! ... damn, hang up on me again."
GW is just too used to being the top dog, and it probably still works often enough for them to not feel the need to change (as well as simply getting rid of uppity trade partners and funneling more sales through their online store).
It rarely works like that any more; more stores are dropping/marginalizing GW than seem to be taking them up.
5 years ago you'd be correct - no mini's based gaming store would survive without GW, but now it's not the case.
Particularly in Oz, I've heard of stores that have managed to strike up pretty good deals with GW in terms of freebies in order to be displayed.
GW Rep: "Do you like selling Space Marines?"
Store Owner: "To an extent"
GW Rep: " Do you think you can keep your store afloat on Warmachine alone?"
Store Owner: "Easily"
GW Rep: "Oh, so how many boxes of Age of Sigmar will I put you down for?."
Store Owner: "Until I know what it is, none."
Herzlos wrote: It rarely works like that any more; more stores are dropping/marginalizing GW than seem to be taking them up.
5 years ago you'd be correct - no mini's based gaming store would survive without GW, but now it's not the case.
Particularly in Oz, I've heard of stores that have managed to strike up pretty good deals with GW in terms of freebies in order to be displayed.
GW Rep: "Do you like selling Space Marines?"
Store Owner: "To an extent"
GW Rep: " Do you think you can keep your store afloat on Warmachine alone?"
Store Owner: "Easily"
GW Rep: "Oh, so how many boxes of Age of Sigmar will I put you down for?."
Store Owner: "Until I know what it is, none."
Fair enough. No clue about Australia. In the UK, it certainly seems different. Most new games go through Kickstarter. X-Wing goes through Amazon/Toys'r'Us/etc.. Warmachine & Malifaux seem down.
Local game stores seem to be tethered to GW (and to a lesser extend the board game renaissance, though that one is going heavily through Kickstarter too), not because GW sales are that great, but because GW is the one company still operating, with trade partners at least, like the business used to be 5 years ago.
The market moving on to Kickstarter & Co is hitting LFGS as hard, if not harder than GW, which curiously gives GW more bargaining power in that particular niche despite their decline in the overall relative decline.
It probably varies across even the UK. Up in Scotland most of the FLGS's have been stocking less and less GW stuff in absolute terms and in percentage terms.
I think in Glasgow the only place to get GW now is the GW store, as the others dropped them (whilst I can get X-Wing in a few stores). Edinburgh has 2 FLGS, one has gone from maybe 50% GW to 25% GW, the other doesn't stock. Gaming shows have a much lower ratio of GW stuff Vs 5 years ago (from maybe 50% to 10% of stalls stocking GW).
Even online, stores sales ratios for GW seem to be reducing (Wayland have stated significant growth in last couple of years, none of it coming from GW).
So they are still big, but they don't control the market like they used to. I don't think they really have the sway to bully independents anymore.
At my FLGS, it seems to me Magic, board games and Warmachine are all at least as important, if not more important than GW stuff. But that is anecdotal AND unreliable experience, because I never asked the owner about precise detail on how he makes money.
I'm so hyped for Age of Sigmar! My local GW is hoping to do a midnight release with a night of 8th edition on the Friday to see it off. Should be great :-)
And I'm hoping we get 100% circle bases! Those models in the display bases looked so cool.
Herzlos wrote: It rarely works like that any more; more stores are dropping/marginalizing GW than seem to be taking them up.
5 years ago you'd be correct - no mini's based gaming store would survive without GW, but now it's not the case.
Particularly in Oz, I've heard of stores that have managed to strike up pretty good deals with GW in terms of freebies in order to be displayed.
GW Rep: "Do you like selling Space Marines?"
Store Owner: "To an extent"
GW Rep: " Do you think you can keep your store afloat on Warmachine alone?"
Store Owner: "Easily"
GW Rep: "Oh, so how many boxes of Age of Sigmar will I put you down for?."
Store Owner: "Until I know what it is, none."
GW Rep: Do you like selling Space Marines?
Store Owner: We've already dropped our account with you. Why are you calling me?
GW Rep: Do you think that you can keep your store afloat on Warmachine alone?
Store Owner: No, that's why we carry a wide selection of games. Except GW. Why are you calling me?
GW Rep: So, how many boxes of Age of Sigmar can I put you down for?
Store Owner: None. I don't carry GW anymore! WHY ARE YOU STILL CALLING ME! GW Rep: Look mate, they gives me a script. Not followin' script is more than me job's worth.
GW Rep: So, how many.. hello? Hello? Damn! Third hangup this week!
agnosto wrote: I just find it so odd that you can be excited about something you know literally nothing about.
What, didn't you notice how much more excited people were about the new Star Wars movie before we faw the clip with the Falcon in it, or with Solo and Chewie? As soon as people saw that they lost all interest.
agnosto wrote: I just find it so odd that you can be excited about something you know literally nothing about.
Because.....HOPE!
We all remember a day when the sun shone down on our miniatures and we played happy games with friends and eagerly awaited for the next trip to the game store. We were happy. And while we grumbled some, GW was our favorite.
Now we hunker down in our bunkers while GW lobs shells and mustard gas at us, and anything, anything at all, that gives us a bit of hope causes excitement. Hope that the Evil Kirby is dead and the rest of those locked in the Citadel of Idiot Marketing will be freed. And we'll be able to sneak into a GW store and maybe reclaim....just for an instant....that feeling we had on those sunny days.
Hope leads to dispair, dispair leads to insanity, insanity leads to chaos and demons pouring out of your eyeballs. DON'T HOPE!!
Let Cynicism be your armor, disgruntlement be your shield. Grind hope under your iron boot.
agnosto wrote: I just find it so odd that you can be excited about something you know literally nothing about.
What, didn't you notice how much more excited people were about the new Star Wars movie before we faw the clip with the Falcon in it, or with Solo and Chewie? As soon as people saw that they lost all interest.
I know that you're joking but there is literally no comparison between Star Wars and GW, it's completely silly to even hold them up next to each other. A tiny minority of people on the planet even know that GW exists compared to the ubiquitous nature of the Star Wars IP.
agnosto wrote: I just find it so odd that you can be excited about something you know literally nothing about.
What, didn't you notice how much more excited people were about the new Star Wars movie before we faw the clip with the Falcon in it, or with Solo and Chewie? As soon as people saw that they lost all interest.
I know that you're joking but there is literally no comparison between Star Wars and GW, it's completely silly to even hold them up next to each other. A tiny minority of people on the planet even know that GW exists compared to the ubiquitous nature of the Star Wars IP.
And how Lucas peed in that pool....
The Auld Grump - mind you, I wasn't excited about the new Star Wars... Haven't been excited for Star Wars since Episode 2.... Episode 1 killed all of the excitement for me.
agnosto wrote: I just find it so odd that you can be excited about something you know literally nothing about.
Because.....HOPE!
We all remember a day when the sun shone down on our miniatures and we played happy games with friends and eagerly awaited for the next trip to the game store. We were happy. And while we grumbled some, GW was our favorite.
Now we hunker down in our bunkers while GW lobs shells and mustard gas at us, and anything, anything at all, that gives us a bit of hope causes excitement. Hope that the Evil Kirby is dead and the rest of those locked in the Citadel of Idiot Marketing will be freed. And we'll be able to sneak into a GW store and maybe reclaim....just for an instant....that feeling we had on those sunny days.
Hope leads to dispair, dispair leads to insanity, insanity leads to chaos and demons pouring out of your eyeballs. DON'T HOPE!!
Let Cynicism be your armor, disgruntlement be your shield. Grind hope under your iron boot.
The sad thing is that it was GW that wore the boots in my case; they somehow killed my passion to continue giving them money.
So, now that you're posting here; were you able to eke any information out of your GW rep. I know that you can't tell us anything but I'm curious to know if you actually found anything out.
agnosto wrote: I just find it so odd that you can be excited about something you know literally nothing about.
What, didn't you notice how much more excited people were about the new Star Wars movie before we faw the clip with the Falcon in it, or with Solo and Chewie? As soon as people saw that they lost all interest.
I know that you're joking but there is literally no comparison between Star Wars and GW, it's completely silly to even hold them up next to each other. A tiny minority of people on the planet even know that GW exists compared to the ubiquitous nature of the Star Wars IP.
And how Lucas peed in that pool....
The Auld Grump - mind you, I wasn't excited about the new Star Wars... Haven't been excited for Star Wars since Episode 2.... Episode 1 killed all of the excitement for me.
Yeah but we're old fogies, the kids seem to like it well enough.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: At my FLGS, it seems to me Magic, board games and Warmachine are all at least as important, if not more important than GW stuff. But that is anecdotal AND unreliable experience, because I never asked the owner about precise detail on how he makes money.
Your observation is probably right. In fact, if your store is like most of the ones I've been to, Magic is the main moneymaker. For a lot of them, it's what keeps the lights on.
agnosto wrote: I just find it so odd that you can be excited about something you know literally nothing about.
Same reason I'm hyped when my favorite band announce a new song.
GW make my favorite miniatures and my favorite wargames and the release of something new excites me!
Sorry I just do not understand excitement over something you know nothing about, regardless of your satisfaction with their previous products... I also find hard to understand how you can be Happy with all their previous stuff I mean they are so different in therms of quality and scope... Its like your favorite metal band releases a new rap song and you will get it nevertheless just because its your favorite band??
Only on the internet would people find it hard to imagine someone being excited about a new release for their favourite game. Have a different opinion, sure; but be unable to understand why someone would be excited? What is the end goal of all these incredulous comments? Are you hoping to suck the excitement from this poor chap? For what purpose?
Charles Rampant wrote: Only on the internet would people find it hard to imagine someone being excited about a new release for their favourite game. Have a different opinion, sure; but be unable to understand why someone would be excited? What is the end goal of all these incredulous comments? Are you hoping to suck the excitement from this poor chap? For what purpose?
Actually no, more power to him, and sorry if it came across like that.
Thing is there is literally no information about his favorite game, for all we know this could be a PC game! Hence my comment.
Charles Rampant wrote: Only on the internet would people find it hard to imagine someone being excited about a new release for their favourite game. Have a different opinion, sure; but be unable to understand why someone would be excited? What is the end goal of all these incredulous comments? Are you hoping to suck the excitement from this poor chap? For what purpose?
Because GW are the only business that seems hell-bent on NOT making money.
When Apple are about to release a new iphone, do you think they supress the info for months, and then tell everybody it's for sale after they put it on on the shelves? Of course not. They generate hype for months, because they want people to know, get excited, and shell out loads of cash for it.
Apple loves generating hype, they love pictures of people queing for hours on end. GW seems to hate all that.
I've got money to spend this summer. I know that there's going to be new FOW stuff, because they told me about it a while back, and now I know GW have something new, but they're reluctant to tell me what. Well, GW, it's FOW for me.
I can understand the excitement at a possibly improved future for Fantasy, even if it ends up being hope beyond hope.
I mean, I know we all hope the stockholders of GW decide one day I throw Kirby out the window, even if it's a rather minuscule likelihood.
Fantasy would be the single best chance to see what GW does with one of its core games that isn't selling well. If this Ends up being a disaster of a new release that effectively alienates veterans and creates no sort of draw for new customers, then I would see the fate of all GW products as being in very dire straits.
It'll be called Age of Sigmar; there will be no '9th' or 'Warhammer'.
There will be a loyal vs chaos starter boxset. This is where the skirmish rumours come from. The big rulebook will follow shortly afterwards. Both in July.
There will be FAQ-esque lists for current armies to transfer over until the new versions are released (in whatever form they arrive - whether by army or faction). Not sure if at launch or staggered via digital and/or WD releases.
Your rumor filtering makes sense to me. I've also had the thought that if Age of Sigmar is the starter set for 9E than the reliable rumor that the minirulebook is the most bare bones minimal rulebook possible might be GW responding to starter set mini rulebook resales. I can see GW thinking that if they keep the starter set rulebook as very minimal, essentially just the rules you need to play with what's in the box, then everyone who wants to play 9E has to buy the new BRB from GW. No more starter set rulebooks on ebay.
agnosto wrote: I just find it so odd that you can be excited about something you know literally nothing about.
Same reason I'm hyped when my favorite band announce a new song.
GW make my favorite miniatures and my favorite wargames and the release of something new excites me!
Can we ask how old you are?
You sound as if you're filled with the optimism of youth - good for you!
Accolade wrote:I can understand the excitement at a possibly improved future for Fantasy, even if it ends up being hope beyond hope.
I mean, I know we all hope the stockholders of GW decide one day I throw Kirby out the window, even if it's a rather minuscule likelihood.
Fantasy would be the single best chance to see what GW does with one of its core games that isn't selling well. If this Ends up being a disaster of a new release that effectively alienates veterans and creates no sort of draw for new customers, then I would see the fate of all GW products as being in very dire straits.
Navarro, Don't Like: See, you have both just explained why you are not excited; what you have not done is actually address my question, which is why you are so amazed that he is excited. Does his excitement offend you in some way, to prompt such marvel?
Charles Rampant wrote: Navarro, Don't Like: See, you have both just explained why you are not excited; what you have not done is actually address my question, which is why you are so amazed that he is excited. Does his excitement offend you in some way, to prompt such marvel?
That's not what I'm saying. If the other person wants to get excited about this, then I wish them well. He/she will get no argument from me.
My point is this. Say GW told us that the Age of Sigmar would be brand new rules, and say they posted pictures of awesome looking miniatures.
More than likely, I'd buy that new stuff. Also, I would look at my paint collection and say, hmm, I need new paints, or new brushes etc etc I'll buy them as well = more money for GW
Hype generates expectation. People start talking about it, and people start planning their spending money.
But GW are not doing this.
FOW have news and pictures of their new stuff in the pipeline, GW does not. I have money to spend on one or the other. I'll stick with FOW, because I know what they're offering.
agnosto wrote: I just find it so odd that you can be excited about something you know literally nothing about.
Same reason I'm hyped when my favorite band announce a new song.
GW make my favorite miniatures and my favorite wargames and the release of something new excites me!
Can we ask how old you are?
You sound as if you're filled with the optimism of youth - good for you!
Would that make you filled with the bitterness and anger of old age? I think I would prefer the former (don't think I still qualify as "young" though at 31!)
I'm excited for the next edition, because it's a good chance for me to finally get into fantasy properly. Even if they screw the game and everyone playing sticks with 8th, I know at least 5 other guys at my local store that are all planning on starting in the next edition, or have recently started to prepare for the next edition. Given that I've only seen about 2 people playing fantasy at the store, and then on Sunday, they had two games going on, and at least 5 or so, people stood around chatting about fantasy and watching the games.
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