I hope that they'll have a display with every Contrast colour slathered over some models like the above in every store. I'll limit myself to ten or so to try out, so I want to see the hues in the flesh first.
Flagg07 wrote: Will GW Pre-order ARRIVE on release day, or SHIP on release day?
Depends on where you order to. If you pre-order to Warhammer store or independent retailer, they will arrive on the release day. If you order to home address, they will ship on the release day.
And Contrast makes me ponder the silver Space Marines feom the studio painter that in WD a year or so ago. The armour was just metal basecoat and Nuln Oil+Nuln Oil wash with the focus parts like faces, lenses, fancy weapons painted to a high standard, making the overall model really attractive and sort of tricking the viewer to think that everything is super elaborate.
And Contrast makes me ponder the silver Space Marines feom the studio painter that in WD a year or so ago. The armour was just metal basecoat and Nuln Oil+Nuln Oil wash with the focus parts like faces, lenses, fancy weapons painted to a high standard, making the overall model really attractive and sort of tricking the viewer to think that everything is super elaborate.
Do you recall which WD that might have been?
I don't, but I can flip through my collection tomorrow.
CodeKantorBlue wrote: The seem to have misspelled Kantor Blue as Leviadon Blue Unless, of course, it comes out much lighter.
There is already a Kantor Blue. They had to come up with something different. Crimson Fists Blue would likely have caused confusion. Why they didn't do Cortez Blue is beyond me though.
CodeKantorBlue wrote: The seem to have misspelled Kantor Blue as Leviadon Blue Unless, of course, it comes out much lighter.
There is already a Kantor Blue. They had to come up with something different. Crimson Fists Blue would likely have caused confusion. Why they didn't do Cortez Blue is beyond me though.
Isn't one of the Idoneth creatures called a Leviadon?
CodeKantorBlue wrote: The seem to have misspelled Kantor Blue as Leviadon Blue Unless, of course, it comes out much lighter.
There is already a Kantor Blue. They had to come up with something different. Crimson Fists Blue would likely have caused confusion. Why they didn't do Cortez Blue is beyond me though.
Isn't one of the Idoneth creatures called a Leviadon?
There is. And the official model is painted orange/red. Hence why the color name makes absolutely no sense. They might as well have Blood Angels Green at that point.
Ghaz wrote: There's more than one Leviadon model featured in the battletome (and the online store). Not all of them are orange.
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Yup, that one is much bluer than the orange one...
The point is, not all Leviadons are orange. They can come in different colors, even blue. Should we complain about the Chaos Black spray because World Eaters are red and Thousand Sons are blue?
That's not the point, though. The point is that they've named a colour after a creature that they haven't shown to actually be that colour. They have, by contrast, shown black chaos marines.
If you're going to use one of your fictional creations as a colour descriptor, you need to at least use something that actually has a connection to that colour, otherwise the name is ultimately no better than 'XV-88'... it's a meaningless name.
Well, to be fair, it's not quite as bad as XV-88, since it does at least tell us that it's some sort of blue. But since we've never seen a blue Leviadon, we have no way to know what sort of blue 'Leviadon Blue' might be.
Also to be fair, it's not really any worse than the original Space Wolves Grey, which was blue, or Blood Angels Red, which was orange...
insaniak wrote: That's not the point, though. The point is that they've named a colour after a creature that they haven't shown to actually be that colour.
Should they name it 'Name to be decided at a later date' Blue since it's a new paint and hasn't been used on a model yet?
My issue isn't that they named it something other than the most iconic dark blue things in the entire model line. It is that they named it after something that, as of right now, has not been depicted in an official capacity as dark blue. They could have called it Idoneth Blue, especially since several of the models have Kantor Blue in their recommended paints on the website.
Hmm. Do people remember that the White Dwarf is switching schedules to be in the middle of the month? I bet that the first issue will feature a lot of Contrast stuff since it releases right after Contrast releases.
insaniak wrote: That would certainly have been as useful as naming it after something that isn't blue.
Most paints aimed at fantasy and/or science fiction games have names that aren't really helpful. Astronomicon Grey? Vomit Brown? Not really helpful. Hearthfire? Bloodtracker Brown? Not really helpful. Monster Brown? Hydra Turquoise? Not really helpful. The names are chosen because they sound good and only give you a very vague idea of what color it might be (usually)
Real life colors have names which aren't any better, especially in the modern times. Most people would have a problem describing what Venetian Red or Hunter Green looks like or even being able to tell you that Glacous is.the name of a color.
insaniak wrote: That would certainly have been as useful as naming it after something that isn't blue.
Most paints aimed at fantasy and/or science fiction games have names that aren't really helpful. Astronomicon Grey? Vomit Brown? Not really helpful. Hearthfire? Bloodtracker Brown? Not really helpful. Monster Brown? Hydra Turquoise? Not really helpful. The names are chosen because they sound good and only give you a very vague idea of what color it might be (usually)
Real life colors have names which aren't any better, especially in the modern times. Most people would have a problem describing what Venetian Red or Hunter Green looks like or even being able to tell you that Glacous is.the name of a color.
If you honestly can't see a difference between '[thing that is blue] Blue' and '[thing that isn't blue] Blue', then I really don't know what to tell you.
insaniak wrote: That's not the point, though. The point is that they've named a colour after a creature that they haven't shown to actually be that colour.
Should they name it 'Name to be decided at a later date' Blue since it's a new paint and hasn't been used on a model yet?
Or they could name it you know by unit traditionally blue of that shade. Weird thought that.
Yeah, I get insaniak and casvalremdeikun's points. Leviadons have not been shown as blue in the examples presented in GW's own studio army, so it's odd to name a shade of blue after them. It does make about as much sense as a colour named Blood Angels Green or Ultramarines Brown.
I checked, it's Paul Norton's Iron Ravens from WD July 2018. Good stuff*.
*Even though he never responded when my Ex asked him how he did the Knights Excelsior in the WD battle damage article, so my Sigmarines are still unpainted D:
It's funny that they used that name, since I've been meaning to post how the painting technique I used for my Tyranids years ago gave basically identical results to Contrast paints. I carefully thinned old DA Green (from the screw-top pots) to a specific consistency and used it over a very clean white undercoat. Then I added some layered highlights, and boom. Old pic:
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I'm interested to try the DA Green contrast paint and see how it compares color-wise. From the pic, I suspect it's a little bluer than the old DA Green, like current Caliban Green. Ork Flesh might be nearer the mark. I could try mixing them too. But then it's not like I've painted any bugs in the last few years, or intend to anytime soon.
Still, I can see how these paints could be useful for army painting projects, given the right kinds of surfaces. And adding highlights, etc. should give results better than beginner's work.
CodeKantorBlue wrote: The seem to have misspelled Kantor Blue as Leviadon Blue Unless, of course, it comes out much lighter.
There is already a Kantor Blue. They had to come up with something different. Crimson Fists Blue would likely have caused confusion. Why they didn't do Cortez Blue is beyond me though.
Isn't one of the Idoneth creatures called a Leviadon?
There is. And the official model is painted orange/red. Hence why the color name makes absolutely no sense. They might as well have Blood Angels Green at that point.
The "Leviadon Blue" likely refers to this:
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The preorder art cards and the book both feature this art, which has the fleshy bits as blue.
It's like how there's an "Akhelian Green" which seems to be referring to the tinting that the riders seem to get for their armor.
But that image is not blue... the carapace is orange and the skin is something like reddish brown. The only blue is the water effect in the tail and the chains.
Paint range changes from Faeit 212 via Reclusiarch Krieg on B&C
Contrast Paints are 18ml
Citadel Air all switch to 24 ml, 12ml bottles discontinued - no colours discontinued
Citadel Edge become Layer paints, - no colours discontinued
Ardcoat and Lahmian Medium switch to 24 ml - 12ml discontinued
Texture Paints switch to Technical. The ones that had 24 ml variants remain, those that were 12 ml exclusively (Lustrian Undergrowth, Mourn Mountain Snow, Blackfire Earth) are discontinued.
Caliban Spray, Stormvermin Fur, The Fang & Averland Sunset sprays discontinued
All four glaze paints are discontinued.
Ceramite White discontinued
Added to range
Base Paints - 12ml
Corax White
Phoenecian Purple
Death Korps Drab
Gal Vorbak Red
Night Lords Blue
Nocturne Green
Corvus Black
Lupercal Green
Iron Hands Steel
Grey Knights Steel
Iron Warriors
Barak-Nar Burgundy
Catachan Fleshtone
Morghast Bone
Wraithbone
Grey Seer
Layer Paints - 12ml
KAKOPHONI PURPLE
SONS OF HORUS GREEN
Phalanx Yellow
Castellax Bronze
VULKAN GREEN
WORD BEARERS RED
Bloodreaver Flesh
Knight-questor Flesh
Air Paints - 24 ml ANGRON RED CLEAR
CALTH BLUE CLEAR
DEATHSHROUD CLEAR
EIDOLON PRPLE CLR
MORTARION GREEN
PHOENICIAN PURPLE
PYROCLAST ORANGE
SIGISMUND YELLOW
Night Lords Blue
Death Korps Drab
Vulkan Green
Corvus Black
Chemos Purple
Typhon Ash
Sons of Horus Green
Phalanx Yellow
Kakophoni Purple
Nocturne Green
Lupercal Green
Gal Vorbak Red
Word Bearers Red
Castellax Bronze
Valdor Gold
Iron Hands Steel
Grey Knights Steel
Thallax Gold
Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...
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Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.
Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...
Spoiler:
Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.
He mentions in the comments that this is straight Contrast paint (no thinner).
Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...
Spoiler:
Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.
He mentions in the comments that this is straight Contrast paint (no thinner).
Yeah, like I said, I'm not surprised you can shoot it straight. You can with the Army Painter shades, too, which seem to be pretty close in viscosity from the little I've seen. But again, unless you want to get a "candy" coat from them, there isn't much reason to do so, since you don't get the other benefits the Contrast paints are designed to give you.
Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...
Spoiler:
Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.
He mentions in the comments that this is straight Contrast paint (no thinner).
Not what Valander is saying.
Yes you can airbrush Contract paint, its thin enough.
But doing so removes the entire point of Contrast, since the thin coat of an airbrush won't let it pool in recesses.
Your just applying what is essentially a transparent ink.
Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...
Spoiler:
Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.
He mentions in the comments that this is straight Contrast paint (no thinner).
Yeah, like I said, I'm not surprised you can shoot it straight. You can with the Army Painter shades, too, which seem to be pretty close in viscosity from the little I've seen. But again, unless you want to get a "candy" coat from them, there isn't much reason to do so, since you don't get the other benefits the Contrast paints are designed to give you.
And metallic non-metallics isn't good enough reason? Vallejo transparent colours are also used in various ways. Paints in general are used in various ways. What does it matter is colour used in original use if result is what painter looks for?
And metallic non-metallics isn't good enough reason? Vallejo transparent colours are also used in various ways. Paints in general are used in various ways. What does it matter is colour used in original use if result is what painter looks for?
Nothing wrong with that, really. Just saying that since you'd be losing a lot of the "special" properties, there are other (probably cheaper) ways to get transparent coats through the airbrush, and that the Contrast paints may not be the best target for airbrushing.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Of course, if a non-standard use of something gives you a result you like, go for it. The Painting Police are not going to storm your house.
Edit: And note I even did initially give an "unless you want..." clause, too. So it's not like I'm saying "If you ever use Contrast in an airbrush you're an idiot."
Example of the Contrast paints being airbrushed...
Spoiler:
Well, yeah, not surprised you can airbrush them, I mean they're thin paint. Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.
He mentions in the comments that this is straight Contrast paint (no thinner).
Not what Valander is saying.
Yes you can airbrush Contract paint, its thin enough.
But doing so removes the entire point of Contrast, since the thin coat of an airbrush won't let it pool in recesses.
Your just applying what is essentially a transparent ink.
And some people may find that the Contrast paints can be airbrushed and don't need to be thinned a plus and prefer them to GW's standard airbrush paints. More options is always a good thing and it will be up to them to make that decision.
Should people rush out and buy Contrast paints specifically to do airbrushing? Probably not.
Is it useful to know that Contrast paints can go through an airbrush and will give similar results to an ink or "candy coat" product, so that people who were planning to buy and use Contrast paints who also happen to own an airbrush can find additional uses for them? Pretty unequivocally.
DaveC wrote: Paint range changes from Faeit 212 via Reclusiarch Krieg on B&C
Spoiler:
Contrast Paints are 18ml
Citadel Air all switch to 24 ml, 12ml bottles discontinued - no colours discontinued
Citadel Edge become Layer paints, - no colours discontinued
Ardcoat and Lahmian Medium switch to 24 ml - 12ml discontinued
Texture Paints switch to Technical. The ones that had 24 ml variants remain, those that were 12 ml exclusively (Lustrian Undergrowth, Mourn Mountain Snow, Blackfire Earth) are discontinued.
Caliban Spray, Stormvermin Fur, The Fang & Averland Sunset sprays discontinued
All four glaze paints are discontinued.
Ceramite White discontinued
Added to range
Base Paints - 12ml
Corax White
Phoenecian Purple
Death Korps Drab
Gal Vorbak Red
Night Lords Blue
Nocturne Green
Corvus Black
Lupercal Green
Iron Hands Steel
Grey Knights Steel
Iron Warriors
Barak-Nar Burgundy
Catachan Fleshtone
Morghast Bone
Wraithbone
Grey Seer
Layer Paints - 12ml
KAKOPHONI PURPLE
SONS OF HORUS GREEN
Phalanx Yellow
Castellax Bronze
VULKAN GREEN
WORD BEARERS RED
Bloodreaver Flesh
Knight-questor Flesh
Air Paints - 24 ml ANGRON RED CLEAR
CALTH BLUE CLEAR
DEATHSHROUD CLEAR
EIDOLON PRPLE CLR
MORTARION GREEN
PHOENICIAN PURPLE
PYROCLAST ORANGE
SIGISMUND YELLOW
Night Lords Blue
Death Korps Drab
Vulkan Green
Corvus Black
Chemos Purple
Typhon Ash
Sons of Horus Green
Phalanx Yellow
Kakophoni Purple
Nocturne Green
Lupercal Green
Gal Vorbak Red
Word Bearers Red
Castellax Bronze
Valdor Gold
Iron Hands Steel
Grey Knights Steel
Thallax Gold
I can dig these changes. Lots of new paints, and the only things we're losing are a crappy white and a few texture paints? Not bad at all.
I think you folks care a bit too much about the names of the paint. I mean, they can’t all be light, mid-light, medium, med-dark, dark, super-dark *colour*.
I think you can tell what colour it is when you look at it. The name’s just there to let other people know what you want when you ask for mid-light Grey.
Corax White
Phoenecian Purple
Death Korps Drab
Gal Vorbak Red
Night Lords Blue
Nocturne Green
Corvus Black
Lupercal Green
Iron Hands Steel
Grey Knights Steel
Iron Warriors
Barak-Nar Burgundy
Catachan Fleshtone
Morghast Bone
Wraithbone
Grey Seer
Layer Paints - 12ml
KAKOPHONI PURPLE
SONS OF HORUS GREEN
Phalanx Yellow
Castellax Bronze
VULKAN GREEN
WORD BEARERS RED
Bloodreaver Flesh
Knight-questor Flesh
So am I right in thinking a lot of these are the FW paints resurrected as "regular" GW base and layer paints? Even without Contrast this seems like a massive addition to the range.
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Something interesting to note, is that the largest issue with these paints is the "blotchiness" you get with it on large flat surfaces like on tanks. I imagine you could spray the model with the contrast paint, then then once it's dried go over it ageist with the same colour with a brush just in the areas where you want the effect.
Well, to be fair, it's not quite as bad as XV-88, since it does at least tell us that it's some sort of blue. But since we've never seen a blue Leviadon, we have no way to know what sort of blue 'Leviadon Blue' might be.
But of course we do!
It's the colour achieved with that particular paint! Now I know the specific shade of blue that I'm allowed to paint my Leviadons in!
insaniak wrote: That's not the point, though. The point is that they've named a colour after a creature that they haven't shown to actually be that colour.
Should they name it 'Name to be decided at a later date' Blue since it's a new paint and hasn't been used on a model yet?
Or they could name it you know by unit traditionally blue of that shade. Weird thought that.
Well, we know why they don't do that - trademark protection. Because inside 6 months, Vallejo and (especially) Army Painter will have their own "contrast paint" knock-offs that will probably work just as well (in most cases) with (potentially) more paint included for less moneys.
Of course, the extreme leads to one of my (genuinely) very favourite paints with the absolute worst name - XV-88. I preferred when it was called Snakebite Leather, but still happily use it, alongside Vallejo's "Leather Brown".
Yeah, I get insaniak and casvalremdeikun's points. Leviadons have not been shown as blue in the examples presented in GW's own studio army, so it's odd to name a shade of blue after them. It does make about as much sense as a colour named Blood Angels Green or Ultramarines Brown.
Their belt pouches?
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Binabik15 wrote: I checked, it's Paul Norton's Iron Ravens from WD July 2018. Good stuff*.
*Even though he never responded when my Ex asked him how he did the Knights Excelsior in the WD battle damage article, so my Sigmarines are still unpainted D:
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Thank you - will look them up when I get home.
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Ghaz wrote: Another Contrast video from Pete the Wargamer applying the paints over a metallic base:
Thanks for posting that - I'm even more excited about getting hold of these to play with now.
If that is true, it's daylight robbery . For a pot size between layer paints and shades, it would be reasonable to expect price tag that is also between them.
If that is true, it's daylight robbery . For a pot size between layer paints and shades, it would be reasonable to expect price tag that is also between them.
They're £4.75, same size and price as the shades. So about £4 at most third party stores after discount.
I'm OK with £4 from a 3rd party store. I have a lot of plague marines to paint. I am guessing that if I start out buying say 15 colours for £60, I will save way more than that in painting time within a few days (valuing my time at £20/hour). And my toy soldiers will be prettier too.
Further confirmation on prices can be found at ACD Distribution. The Forge World Base and Layer paints and the pots of Grey Seer and Wraithbone are $4.55 US each. The Contrast paints and large air paints are $7.80 US each. The Grey Seer and Wraithbone sprays are $19.50 US each.
In the article about the history of citadel paints, it says this: "innovative paints like Retributor Armour". Is there something special about that paint? I thought it was just a metallic gold. What makes it "innovative"?
Shadenuat wrote: 20 dorra per rattle can, wowsies. That's more expensive than professional acrylic sprays probably. At least the ones I know of and can buy.
It's in line with the other colored sprays, except for Retributor Gold - it's $28 US. Also note that Caliban Green, Incubi Darkness and Rhinox Hide sprays are 'Sold Out - No Longer Available' on GW's US web store.
Albino Squirrel wrote: In the article about the history of citadel paints, it says this: "innovative paints like Retributor Armour". Is there something special about that paint? I thought it was just a metallic gold. What makes it "innovative"?
Donno what makes it innovative but last time I checked it was (one of) the best gold paint on the market.
Yeah, it's very expensive, but 6 ml more, so I guess it's in line with Citadel prices. Which are expensive, but if you buy Citadel anyway, not overly so. And at least they have strong pigments, similar to inks - and inks can be expensive (although normal people put them into glass bottles with rubber noses and other fancy stuff instead of cheap ass plastic pots).
Slave wrote: Like all paints, I wonder when folks will figure out what kind of third party spray paint will work just as good.
I haven't used a GW spray in eons. Army Painter has bone and Purple, as Krylon makes a wonderful black and white.
Nothing wrong with using other brands, but hard to judge a product you haven't used in eons, no?
I use a lot of Army Painter spray (I have probably a dozen cans on hand currently), but the GW sprays are really good and consistently give me a better finish. The Army Painter has been hit or miss on the colored primers ranging from cans losing pressure and being worthless after one use, to nearly perfect, smooth finish - though that's mostly been with the black primer , not the colored primers.
GW has been consistently excellent quality. I buy various brands for color variety, and I've always found it worth the extra few bucks for the GW paint.
Galas wrote: And if GW spray cans ruin your models they don't only send you a new one but also new miniatures.
That doesn't happen with sprays of other brands.
Worst aspect of GW sprays is that as you're adding units to your army, you find they've discontinued the base spray you used. Not to mention the spray colour isn't quite the same colour as the named pot anyway.
Just listening to Vince Venturella's Warhammer weekly rumour is that not all stores will get the Contrast Paints for the 15th they will be rolled out in waves with those stores that have the full range paint racks (tier 1) getting them first then other stores later. There are 3 tiers of paint rack size currently depending on store size so only 1/3 of stores will have them on the 15th.
kestral wrote: Any word on how this will work with Reaper Bones - my major speed painting area? Will the spray adhere ok to the Bonesium?
Not sure I'm coughing up $20 for spray under any circumstance though.
I can't imagine there'd be a problem, but the only way to find out will be when it goes on general sale and someone tries it out. Bones might need a wash to remove any mould release agents, but otherwise I can't foresee the sprays not working. Even if they don't Contrast works on regular undercoating sprays anyway, it just likes the new smoother ones better.
If you really wanted you could spray a bones twice - once in regular undercoat then once with the new GW ones. Two undercoat sprays wouldn't obscure detailing and if you're using contrast paints as a main chances are you're already saving a layer or two of paint instead of layering anyway.
Wow, that wet blending is pretty bad.
But contrast paints on flat areas like that don't work very well in my opinion (I really dislike the patchy look). I'm more curious to see a wet blend on something like fur. A wolf with a tan to brown to black transition for instance.
fresus wrote: Wow, that wet blending is pretty bad.
But contrast paints on flat areas like that don't work very well in my opinion (I really dislike the patchy look). I'm more curious to see a wet blend on something like fur. A wolf with a tan to brown to black transition for instance.
If he played with pushing the paint around more, he prob could of gotten the transition to look better TBH. Wetblending iisn't normally something you nail in a 2 min long video.
From the description of these I was never expecting a wet blend from them anyway.
So on the price I don’t think it’s terrible, considering what they say you’ll get out of it. Replacing 1-3 paints (one of which being the wash itself), so you’re paying for wash, getting wash, base, later.
I know it’s not as simple as that, but business wise, yeah I can’t complain.
I was always only going to grab a small bundle, and still will, so we shall see how they go, and if I really like them, we will go from there..
(I’d love to see them over other base colours, my main spray is black, and a I have a few others but I never remember what, particularly that would be light enough (don’t think I have a white, so if I have to get one, I’ll get a new one, if not I’ll try over the pure white..)
If you want to wet blend, you need to add paint retardant, period. Yes, you can get a blend with these Contrast paints (ie; not a jarring line) but you have to work fast and the effect is still going to be mottled.
Still, not a bad way for a beginner to get into wet blending, and that mottled effect will be great for a load of things. Anything Chaos or organic (sylvaneth, seraphon, etc)
Is there any information on a price for a set of the full contrast range? I assume there is a "get them all at once" set...hopefully with some savings.
YAmagata wrote: Is there any information on a price for a set of the full contrast range? I assume there is a "get them all at once" set...hopefully with some savings.
Apparently there are no bundles at release and they aren't expected until later in the year (Christmas probably). The closest you'll probably get is a set of 1 of each direct from GWs online store for €220.50 (35 paints/medium @ €6.30 each)
YAmagata wrote: Is there any information on a price for a set of the full contrast range? I assume there is a "get them all at once" set...hopefully with some savings.
£4.75 * 34 pots = £161.50
20% discount would be...£129.20
Throw in a pot of each primer, and not expecting GW to be so generous...put aside £140 and you shouldn't be disappointed. This all depends on whether they do such a set but there you go.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Has anyone found any vids of the two base sprays being used on one model, with the lighter being a zenithal highlight?
I don't think there's actually much of a difference in value between them, they're just different "temperatures" of off-white, one warm and one cool.
What you'd want is probably a medium value neutral tone grey for the Grey Seer(will GW still be doing the Mechanicus Standard? If not, car paint would work, might actually be better at achieving a smoother surface), and a warm medium value grey for the Wraithbone(I plan to give it a go with my leftover Vallejo German Field Grey spray).
What’s more, Contrast – like all Citadel paint – can be applied over other paints or even itself to create even more results. This Great Unclean one, for example, was painted with Contrast, then shaded with another coat of Contrast to build up its skin tones.
Of course, paint is one thing, but protecting it is another – just how do you keep Contrast safe from frequent handling? Well, good news! We’ve also designed two new varnishes – a new version of gloss varnish ’Ardcoat, and Stormshield, a matt varnish that’ll help protect your paintwork if you expect your models to be in heavy use.
You can wet blend.. The guy on the stand at WHF blended the green yellow into red around the wound on a nurgle belly and it blended in about 2 seconds. I was very impressed.
YAmagata wrote: Is there any information on a price for a set of the full contrast range? I assume there is a "get them all at once" set...hopefully with some savings.
Apparently there are no bundles at release and they aren't expected until later in the year (Christmas probably). The closest you'll probably get is a set of 1 of each direct from GWs online store for €220.50 (35 paints/medium @ €6.30 each)
Just for clarity - does this mean that there is a Contast paint bundle likely for Christmas?
YAmagata wrote: Is there any information on a price for a set of the full contrast range? I assume there is a "get them all at once" set...hopefully with some savings.
Apparently there are no bundles at release and they aren't expected until later in the year (Christmas probably). The closest you'll probably get is a set of 1 of each direct from GWs online store for €220.50 (35 paints/medium @ €6.30 each)
Just for clarity - does this mean that there is a Contast paint bundle likely for Christmas?
It's too early to tell, but it would likely be a thing they do yes.
Likely, there would be one for each of the hobby boxes(Project and Paint) with the full range of Contrast paints that are brushed on.
I also wanted to take the mic to tell you about Contrast paints, but I did not really know when or how to interpose that. Then I said to myself, finally, I use them daily since I tested them, so why not talk about it in this article of WIP?
Let's start with this, precisely:
As a Games Workshop Design Studio member, I had the immense privilege of testing these paintings even before we started talking about them on the net, during an afternoon where the team behind their elaboration showed us how they are used and let us test them on different media.
Working for GW, some will say that my point of view is not totally objective, although I will try to give you my hobbyist point of view. But I would join these people, because clearly, I do not feel objective for 3 reasons:
- I love these paintings, but so much that I can not find them fault!
- They rely on a principle that is neither more nor less the way I paint my armies for over 10 years (based on colored filters on white undercoat). I just hear: "Oh yeah ok, it's like Max he's actually painting!" So for me it's a little dream product, out of the pot.
- I use them daily in my hobby. They interbedded in my painting process. I adopted them.
Looking on the net, you will surely have seen how these paintings work. I do not come back on the principle, I painted this Skaven during this afternoon test, according to the dictated process.
This fig is 99.5% painted with Contrast paints. Only lightening on the eyes and teeth were done to the layer.
On each zone, it is a single layer, based on beige Wraithbone underlay.
Only the green of the armor on the back has also received a layer of black Contrast (Black Templar) diluted to the medium provided for this range, to give it a little more depth.
I then made the shades on the skin with Contrast paints diluted to the medium of the same name.
In all, except drying time there is less than 30 minutes. Not disgusting for the time spent.
My general point of view (which only binds me) on these paintings:
- For all those who do not like painting, who paint a lot of figurines, who like to paint but hate basic layers, this range is a revolution.
- For all beginners in the hobby, it is an unavoidable tool that I would have liked to have starting 20 years ago!
- For all those who have a bottle of paint like me, who have their palette of colors, their proven techniques, it is an addition of choice that you will want to use each painting session. You will find a lot of sensations that we had with old inks for example, and their versatility makes that you will be able to use them in mixture with the paintings which you already have. Personally I sometimes use them simply to reinforce a shade or tint a light color.
In short, vazy baby, it's good.
More pics of Maxime's Skaven miniature can be seen at the link above.
YAmagata wrote: Is there any information on a price for a set of the full contrast range? I assume there is a "get them all at once" set...hopefully with some savings.
Apparently there are no bundles at release and they aren't expected until later in the year (Christmas probably). The closest you'll probably get is a set of 1 of each direct from GWs online store for €220.50 (35 paints/medium @ €6.30 each)
Just for clarity - does this mean that there is a Contast paint bundle likely for Christmas?
I been told that there may be some posibility of personal made a la carte bundle paints(not 100% secure but it seems GW toyed or considered the idea).
I demand a full list of paints used by the Pastourel Maxime right now! Looks almost as good as his other white Skaven, but probably takes half as long.
PS: GW should add a few more Maximes, they're both doing brilliant work.
Raring to get stuck in with the new paints? Already been planning out colour schemes for your army? We don’t blame you – which is why we’re very excited to announce the new Battle Ready Paint Sets! Available for a limited time, this offer lets you save money when you order your paints, allowing you to select the paints you need to get your army Battle Ready.
How it works is simple – all you need to do is order 4 Base paints, 2 Shade paints, 3 Contrast paints and 1 Technical paint to finish your miniatures off, and we’ll let you have them all for a special promotional price. Some terms and conditions apply – we’ll have more details for you closer to the time.
I wonder what the "terms and conditions" for the Battle ready sets will be? No multiples of the same colour, only one metallic, compulsory varnish? Whatever they are it sounds like its time to start making a project list
Is anybody else bothered by the fact that the paint chart doesn't have the colors grouped by color?
Anyway, I expect the Battle Ready sets to be limited to a smaller pool of paints to choose from rather than the entire range to prevent people from just selecting the just expense options from each category
Tannhauser42 wrote: Is anybody else bothered by the fact that the paint chart doesn't have the colors grouped by color?
No. But it does seem like they missed the new Layer paints that are up on ACD Distribution:
22-86 Kakophoni Purple
22-87 Sons of Horus Green
22-88 Phalanx Yellow
22-89 Castellax Bronze
22-90 Vulkan Green
22-91 Word Bearers Red
22-92 Bloodreaver Flesh
22-93 Knight-Questor Flesh
Kanluwen wrote: I am so on board with their "Battle Ready Paint Sets" idea.
GW offering discounts is always to be welcomed, but considering how restrictive the selection is the discount would have to be pretty good compared to just ordering exactly what you want at a flat ~20% off from an online retailer.
I don't get what is the point of Corvus Black. Don't they already make multiple other black paints?
Kanluwen wrote: I am so on board with their "Battle Ready Paint Sets" idea.
Really? In case you haven't noticed, you need to order 10 paints, only 3 of which can be contrast. Even if you use up 2 slots to add primer and varnish for contrast, you still order double the amount of paint you don't really need unless you're new to hobby or dog ate your existing paint stash. As already noted, the savings would need to be huge to even compete with independent stores. Why they couldn't just make new contrast Paint+Build sets instead?
Irbis wrote: I don't get what is the point of Corvus Black. Don't they already make multiple other black paints?
The existing black Base paint is a neutral/cool black. This looks to be a "warm" black with a faint tint of brown to it? I dunno I didn't buy any of these colours when FW was making them. Or maybe that's just because it has green either size of the swatch, it might just be a very dark grey.
After the talk about GW replacing models if their primer gunks them up, I have a pot of Celestra Grey - used in paint schemes online for *everything* - and it's crap ever since I opened it. It's part liquid, part chunks of...medium and pigment? Ranking from tiny to large, you can grind them into a homogenous state with a finger or very stiff brush, but it's impossible to get an even finish thanks to tiny particles in there.
Should I actually contact GW for such a thing? I could attach pics of the crap right out of the pot. Feels a bit overkill to have them post a new one from the UK, but I don't feel like paying another 3.30€ to my FLGS when I need a ton to buy new paints, anyway.
Here in Europe If i'd bought a dud paint (or mini) from a store i'd take it back there rather than going to GW direct since it's the store that's responsible
GW will replace the pot of paint if the store does not have a suitable replacement. I.E. if all of the same color are botched. If it’s part of a model, they will ask for the specific part number now that was missing or damaged. A few months back I got a dark elf blood bowl team which one arm was missing off the sprue, I had to send a copy of the receipt from the shop and a picture of the box upc to them, but they did send that individual piece.
Bought either from my FLGS or Wayland, can't remember. Otherwise I would've taken it back to the store.
I got a replacement Warboss 'cause his necklace and the horn from his bloodletter trophy was snapped, no proof of purchase needed or anything. To be fair, though, the Battleforce box looked like someone stepped on it, I felt a complaint was reasonable.
With paint it could be a myriad of reasons why it's bad, including storage, but that must be some manufacturing misshap, it's neither dry nor does it have that "medium and pigment seperated" look, there's simply millions of pieces of gunk inside. I guess it's worth a try, because no amount of "wrong" storage would ever do that (but I literally have AK heavy chipping medium that completely evaporated in the same time that the "worn effects" medium bought with hasn't even a tiny bit of build-up dried to the lid, so paint stuff is always...curious ).
So I'm going to buy a pot later today so I can finally copy the kouzes and contact GW, too.
Is there a good post of imgur Instagram etc of the preview models they had at warhammer fest?
I am trying to determine which paints to get but want to see better quality photos than the ones I've been finding of the all the sample models in one or two photos.
So... I have a ton of Death Guard I bought when 40k rereleased this time. They're built, but sitting unloved and unpainted in a box at the moment.
Are any of those Contrast paints anything like the Death Guard green scheme? The names are no use whatsoever for me to figure it out.
shank911 wrote:Is there a good post of imgur Instagram etc of the preview models they had at warhammer fest?
I am trying to determine which paints to get but want to see better quality photos than the ones I've been finding of the all the sample models in one or two photos.
Thanks!
Gimgamgoo wrote:So... I have a ton of Death Guard I bought when 40k rereleased this time. They're built, but sitting unloved and unpainted in a box at the moment.
Are any of those Contrast paints anything like the Death Guard green scheme? The names are no use whatsoever for me to figure it out.
Theophony wrote: Just an aside, my FLGS just received a new paint rack from GW today. Same as the old one, but it’s in preparation for the new paint on the 15th.
Whats funny is the last few weeks they haven’t been able to get paints to fill the holes on the shelf.
Same as old or as current? We got one as well but it’s only halfish as wide as the current ones.
shank911 wrote:Is there a good post of imgur Instagram etc of the preview models they had at warhammer fest?
I am trying to determine which paints to get but want to see better quality photos than the ones I've been finding of the all the sample models in one or two photos.
Thanks!
Gimgamgoo wrote:So... I have a ton of Death Guard I bought when 40k rereleased this time. They're built, but sitting unloved and unpainted in a box at the moment.
Are any of those Contrast paints anything like the Death Guard green scheme? The names are no use whatsoever for me to figure it out.
Thanks for that. Those pics seem far better than the swatch GW produced. I wonder how much tidy up those SM's had, as there seems to be little patchiness except on the yellow. I expected them to be patchier.
Theophony wrote: Just an aside, my FLGS just received a new paint rack from GW today. Same as the old one, but it’s in preparation for the new paint on the 15th.
Whats funny is the last few weeks they haven’t been able to get paints to fill the holes on the shelf.
Same as old or as current? We got one as well but it’s only halfish as wide as the current ones.
One of my local stores went from the old paint rack (similar to the one seen HERE) to the current paint rack (seen HERE) back in March. With them being primarily a comic shop with no room for in-store gaming I thought it was an odd move. It may have been something GW required of those who carry their paint line.
shank911 wrote:Is there a good post of imgur Instagram etc of the preview models they had at warhammer fest? I am trying to determine which paints to get but want to see better quality photos than the ones I've been finding of the all the sample models in one or two photos.
Thanks!
Gimgamgoo wrote:So... I have a ton of Death Guard I bought when 40k rereleased this time. They're built, but sitting unloved and unpainted in a box at the moment. Are any of those Contrast paints anything like the Death Guard green scheme? The names are no use whatsoever for me to figure it out.
Thanks for that. Those pics seem far better than the swatch GW produced. I wonder how much tidy up those SM's had, as there seems to be little patchiness except on the yellow. I expected them to be patchier.
You'll probably see better pics from GW once the paints go up on pre-order this weekend, if not sooner.
Theophony wrote: Just an aside, my FLGS just received a new paint rack from GW today. Same as the old one, but it’s in preparation for the new paint on the 15th.
Whats funny is the last few weeks they haven’t been able to get paints to fill the holes on the shelf.
Same as old or as current? We got one as well but it’s only halfish as wide as the current ones.
Same as current one. Adjustable shelves, shelves on the sides for accessories and such.
I hey, I just remembered I happened to have a picture of the new rack because it was sitting next to the new releases. So yeah, what we have a set up like this, though we arranged the accessory racks differently;
Spoiler:
And then the new one looks like this, seen to the right of the terrain kits;
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Gonna be a trick to get it to fit into the available space still though.
So... I have a ton of Death Guard I bought when 40k rereleased this time. They're built, but sitting unloved and unpainted in a box at the moment.
Are any of those Contrast paints anything like the Death Guard green scheme? The names are no use whatsoever for me to figure it out.
Theophony wrote: GW will replace the pot of paint if the store does not have a suitable replacement. I.E. if all of the same color are botched. If it’s part of a model, they will ask for the specific part number now that was missing or damaged. A few months back I got a dark elf blood bowl team which one arm was missing off the sprue, I had to send a copy of the receipt from the shop and a picture of the box upc to them, but they did send that individual piece.
That was strict. For me it's been no questions asked. Well last time customer rep asked did I need one or two sprues of rohan warriors to replace my broken one from pelennor's field box Box only has one...Didn't try to sneak in free sprue.
So I had a quick play with these at UK Games Expo. I'm the sort of crap painter they's supposedly aimed at and my initial response is: hmm.
On the one hand, they're magic. Laying down a single coat and getting a wash and highlight effect is pretty neat. But there are drawbacks. You need to work it more carefully than a wash because it will pool, or sit unevenly on flat surfaces. You have to be very careful how much is on your brush and it's not immediately obvious how much that should be. Painting with a lightly loaded brush gives a very different effect to a heavily loaded one (even once you clean up the pooling). Getting consistency isn't that easy*
Second issue is the colour, maybe it's just me but the green shading looks kinda weird on green power armor. I mean, there's a reason most GW paint guides have you do power armour by either pin-washing with Agrax/Nuln oil, or all over wash and neaten up. Rather than using the green or blue washes.
Lastly: cleaning up mistakes really is difficult. You need to wait for it to dry (taking longer than normal paints) then redo the white/grey, then the contrast. And y'know, it's slippy! Harder to control it than normal paints. As a beginner that's a huge drawback. I can see myself using it as a base layer for the main model colour then doing the rest of the model with regular paints but I'm not sure I'd want to try painting everything that way. That said I was demoing with a thrashed GW medium shade brush so it's possible this is less of an issue when using a decent brush.
*I mean, it's easy if you know what you're doing but you can't just slap it on.
What's the over/under on the amount of time before a fully shoddy looking "pro painted" with Contrast Paints army shows up on eBay for a daft price?
I still think these are going to be a useful tool in the box rather than an answer in themselves. As many have said the overall results look so difficult to control and generally inconsistent. And vehicles? As most expected that Rhino just looks poor.
Irbis wrote: I don't get what is the point of Corvus Black. Don't they already make multiple other black paints?
The existing black Base paint is a neutral/cool black. This looks to be a "warm" black with a faint tint of brown to it? I dunno I didn't buy any of these colours when FW was making them. Or maybe that's just because it has green either size of the swatch, it might just be a very dark grey.
It's an extremely dark charcoal grey, so dark it looks black next to most other colors. Because it looks black you can use it as black, and then use a dark wash to add "blacker" areas in shadows and recesses to add a surprising amount of depth to a solid black armour like deathwatch would have.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: What's the over/under on the amount of time before a fully shoddy looking "pro painted" with Contrast Paints army shows up on eBay for a daft price?
I still think these are going to be a useful tool in the box rather than an answer in themselves. As many have said the overall results look so difficult to control and generally inconsistent. And vehicles? As most expected that Rhino just looks poor.
Please. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was one or two up there already. Someone already retried to jock some of the pots they stole from the event for stupid prices…
Not with a brush no, their main use on vehicles seems to be as a less faffy replacement for oil washes for doing weathering effects. For people who own an airbrush, it should be possible to get a flat and even coat of the colour, and then go in with a smaller brush to fill out panel lines and add shading.
We've seen a video of the Contrast paints being airbrushed and they act a lot like an ink. For airbrushing vehicles I'd stick to the Air paints but you're probably correct that the Contrast paints will be good for shading and panel lines.
Cynista wrote: From what I've seen I really do like how they look over a bright silver undercoat.
That's actually something I'm keen to try out. I've a test mini all lined up, one of the Knight Models Superman variants, specifically the BvS version, who had this metallic blue thing going on for his suit.
Well Contrast paint work such a way that it really doesn't like flat surfaces but surfaces that have penty of details or recesses. It isn't that paint has some issue but it was designed like that.
Particularly vehicles are not going to like this.
Actually, looks like AoS range gets the most benefit from these new paints by the looks of it. Outside of Stormcast of course.
Irbis wrote: I don't get what is the point of Corvus Black. Don't they already make multiple other black paints?
The existing black Base paint is a neutral/cool black. This looks to be a "warm" black with a faint tint of brown to it? I dunno I didn't buy any of these colours when FW was making them. Or maybe that's just because it has green either size of the swatch, it might just be a very dark grey.
It's an extremely dark charcoal grey, so dark it looks black next to most other colors. Because it looks black you can use it as black, and then use a dark wash to add "blacker" areas in shadows and recesses to add a surprising amount of depth to a solid black armour like deathwatch would have.
Ah. Thanks for reply. Why call it black then, though? For all the complains about turtle blue a few pages back, it at least was blue paint. Why not call it Corvus Charcoal or Corvus Grey? Especially seeing Raven Guard ironically have midnight black armour, probably closest of all legions to pure black?
If it was say Ferrus Black you could at least excuse it a bit as IH actually are supposed to be dark grey, not deep black...
Like other colors, there are shades of black other than pure black and there are shades of white other than pure white. The pic of Corvus Black posted a few pages back could be considered a shade of black or brown IMHO. I assume that the team who developed the color for Games Workshop felt that this color was more appropriately a shade of black and thus named it Corvus Black.
Tyranid Horde wrote: That video GW released on their new dude painting up a Primaris marine with contrast makes the new paint look like garbage.
Not sure this will be a good fast way to paint armoured models/flat panels.
It'll be terrible for anything bigger and flatter than a primaris Marine from what I've seen. That said, I thought the model shown in the video wasn't bad for literally a few minutes work. That yellow was really the thing that made it look iffy. Simulating gold is definitely not a strong point. Painting a blood angel or dark angel would have been a much better demonstration of contrasts capabilities, but I suppose all of their main demonstration have to be ultramarines :/
Ghaz wrote: We've seen a video of the Contrast paints being airbrushed and they act a lot like an ink. For airbrushing vehicles I'd stick to the Air paints but you're probably correct that the Contrast paints will be good for shading and panel lines.
The big thing for me will be color-matching. If I use Contrast on my troops, I'll put the contrast paint in my airbrush (and then recess-wash) to make sure the whole army looks uniform.
I'm not 100% convinced that painting with an equivalent color (for example, using Shyish Purple Contrast would match, say, Xereus Purple) is going to work, so airbrushing the Contrast will be a better way to make sure you get the color match.
I ”dip” my vehicles, i.e. I apply quickshade on them with a brush and without thinning the dip those same brush lines occur. Thinning the dip to about half to a third makes it good on flat surfaces. Ive done Rhinos and Onagers this way with satisfying results. Of course, the more detail, the better and the more viscosity you want.
These paints certainly have a use in the advanced painters set. Check out rich grays Instagram, he's put some posts up using the new paints.. I don't really need any new paint right now but I'll probably look into them at some point, or if I see a nice paint job using them.
I think the tricky part will be figuring out to shade match exactly with using the Contrast paints for infantry versus using traditional methods on tanks in the same army.
A lot of Death Guard models we've seen painted are fairly pale as a green, and that's going to be a bit of a gak to match without spending a lot of time on weathering, which is sort of the entire point not to do.
PoorGravitasHandling wrote: The brush strokes on that rhino are very visible after drying. These are probably not going to useful on low detail/flat surface vehicles.
They didn't apply it as thick as I expected it would need to be. Could that be a factor?
queen_annes_revenge wrote: These paints certainly have a use in the advanced painters set. Check out rich grays Instagram, he's put some posts up using the new paints.. I don't really need any new paint right now but I'll probably look into them at some point, or if I see a nice paint job using them.
A link would be nice. I am not going to guess between dozens of search results on Instagram.
Shadenuat wrote: It's a wash guys. If you allow Sir Newton to decide where you want shadows it will always end up looking very dirty, like on that primaris..
It's Sir Isaac. And it works fine with models which actually have some surface texture.
Lemondish wrote: They didn't apply it as thick as I expected it would need to be. Could that be a factor?
It certainly looks like overworking the paint doesn't do it much good. I would be more tempted to try it over a coloured undercoat to colour match the infantry. For a smurf rhino I might try a base of caledor sky under a contrast wash of ultramarines blue. There won't be as much of a contrast effect but the colour should match on all but the highlights. I'm also interested in finding out if the black contrast paint over a bright blue base will give me some nice blue highlights for my CSMs.
Question: has there been a guide yet which shows what each paint looks like over new primer A vs new primer B? I’m sure a lot of people are in the same boat of knowing they’ll pick up a primer and some paints but not sure which one will work best under the colours they want to use.
plessiez wrote: Question: has there been a guide yet which shows what each paint looks like over new primer A vs new primer B? I’m sure a lot of people are in the same boat of knowing they’ll pick up a primer and some paints but not sure which one will work best under the colours they want to use.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: These paints certainly have a use in the advanced painters set. Check out rich grays Instagram, he's put some posts up using the new paints.. I don't really need any new paint right now but I'll probably look into them at some point, or if I see a nice paint job using them.
A link would be nice. I am not going to guess between dozens of search results on Instagram.
I don't know how you link Instagram accounts. It's not like they have accessible urls. Daemon rich is the name, although if youre a hobbyist you should really already be following, he's a slayer sword winning painter.
Shadenuat wrote: It's a wash guys. If you allow Sir Newton to decide where you want shadows it will always end up looking very dirty, like on that primaris.
What you probably want to do is actually work carefully and do not slap a thick coat of it on the model like in the video.
They aren't washes. They are a lot thicker, and will stay in the area you apply them. Obviously if you apply them heavily they will gravitate to the low points, but they are more like a highly pigmented glaze than a wash.
Great, great stuff. I think the "Contrast will make beginners bad painters" argument can now be safely put to rest. The difference in results between good painters (great painters!) and just slapping Contrast all over is staggering. Like with all things, brush control is key, and a strong understanding of colours and light theory doesn't hurt, either. And speed like several gobbos with "quick NMM" in 3 hours is making me feel really slow. I totally lack muscle memory right now.
But what I really need to see is people using Contrast for intersting skin tones. Especially dark skin. The Godsworn archer and the Untamed Beasts spear-with-rope guy have such nice looking skin. And white skin, I want an army of Warboys Orks.
PS: Even if Contrast is a total flop, all this talking about paints got me to paint again and I've done 4 models since Sunday (6 if you count each of the eyestinger swarm's individual flies ) with three more almost done. Already more models than 2018's...one grot. So, yay! Done mostly in a way like Contrast will be done, shading and glazing colours over a light grey basecoat, mostly, plus highlights. Not as good as my best work (several colours wet-blended on a Zombie's belly and loaded-brush highlights even on the teeth, went a bit crazy there) but the results/time was amazing.
Binabik15 wrote: Great, great stuff. I think the "Contrast will make beginners bad painters" argument can now be safely put to rest. The difference in results between good painters (great painters!) and just slapping Contrast all over is staggering. Like with all things, brush control is key, and a strong understanding of colours and light theory doesn't hurt, either.
I think the argument still stands, as new painters will not be exposed to said key skills. Contrast is marketed as a colour you just need to slap on generously ("One thick coat") and that is exactly what newcomers will be taught in GW stores.
The fact that professional painters can achieve great results with contrast hast really no bearing on the argument.
Daemon rich is the name, although if youre a hobbyist you should really already be following, he's a slayer sword winning painter.
That's just .../facepalm
I'm sure the guy that many of us have never heard of is a great painter and a great guy, but your statement is just incredibly presumptuous.
How is that presumptuous? It's just an advisive statement.. You should be following this guy.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I can't believe people are complaining about extra paint options. I bet if Michaelangelo had had access to acrylic paints he would have used them.
So like many I am anxious to order some paints to try out. Still trying to figure out what "basic" colors I would need for one of three different armies I have on my shelf that seem to be good fit for contrast, Tyranids, Nurgle, and Nighthaunts. Suggestions would be welcome.
That said, my FLGS just posted something about availability that has me a little confused. They claim that there will be no pre-orders for these paints and that only select independent stockists will have the paints on the 15th and only in very limited quanities until the main release on the 22nd of June. Has anyone heard similar?
The first part about no pre-orders seemingly flat out contradicts what has been posted on GW's site about pre-orders on the 8th. However as no sku lists have been leaked from what I have seen and everything pointing to the paints being heavily allocated with indpendent stockists required to have the full size paint rack and committment to minimum orders of every new paint (not just contrast), there seems to be some bit of truth to this. So my theory that reconciles these seemingly conflicting statements is Pre-orders will indeed open in June 8, but only through the GW website and will not be delivered until June 22 and that June 15th is a limited general release with only very limited quanitites on hand for purchase in GW stores and select indpendent stockists. i.e. If you want to have a chance of taking home contrast paints on the 15th you have to show up in stores and hope to grab them before they are gone, otherwise you will be waiting until June 22 to actually get the paints. Thoughts?
Daemon rich is the name, although if youre a hobbyist you should really already be following, he's a slayer sword winning painter.
That's just .../facepalm
I'm sure the guy that many of us have never heard of is a great painter and a great guy, but your statement is just incredibly presumptuous.
How is that presumptuous? It's just an advisive statement.. You should be following this guy.
The statement "if you're a hobbyist you should really already be following" can be interpreted as "if you're not following him, you're not a real/worthy hobbyist", which would be a presumptuous and dismissive statement to say the least.
I'm excited to see if this means I can paint up my ogres and savage orruks in record time. They are armies I wouldn't mind seeing in just table top fashion. And they'll make good testers for more important armies.
Lord of Deeds wrote: So like many I am anxious to order some paints to try out. Still trying to figure out what "basic" colors I would need for one of three different armies I have on my shelf that seem to be good fit for contrast, Tyranids, Nurgle, and Nighthaunts. Suggestions would be welcome.
That said, my FLGS just posted something about availability that has me a little confused. They claim that there will be no pre-orders for these paints and that only select independent stockists will have the paints on the 15th and only in very limited quanities until the main release on the 22nd of June. Has anyone heard similar?
The first part about no pre-orders seemingly flat out contradicts what has been posted on GW's site about pre-orders on the 8th. However as no sku lists have been leaked from what I have seen and everything pointing to the paints being heavily allocated with indpendent stockists required to have the full size paint rack and committment to minimum orders of every new paint (not just contrast), there seems to be some bit of truth to this. So my theory that reconciles these seemingly conflicting statements is Pre-orders will indeed open in June 8, but only through the GW website and will not be delivered until June 22 and that June 15th is a limited general release with only very limited quanitites on hand for purchase in GW stores and select indpendent stockists. i.e. If you want to have a chance of taking home contrast paints on the 15th you have to show up in stores and hope to grab them before they are gone, otherwise you will be waiting until June 22 to actually get the paints. Thoughts?
That sounds unnecessarily complicated, but funny if true.
Won't affect me as I'm in no rush. I'll buy one or two to give them a try, but I have yet to assemble the designated test models. A week more or less won't make a difference to me.
I'm going to be buying some of these contrast paints to try on my space orks (and later on my flesh tearer marines).
For my Orks I'm wondering what people think the best contrast color for their skin will be. I personally like a lighter more olive drab skin tone for orks as opposed to the Ork Flesh darker green option that they have.
Anyone have any thoughts on which contrast color would best produce a lighter olive-drab? I do like the effect that Plaguebearer flesh had on those gobbos done by daemonrich.
Lord of Deeds wrote: So like many I am anxious to order some paints to try out. Still trying to figure out what "basic" colors I would need for one of three different armies I have on my shelf that seem to be good fit for contrast, Tyranids, Nurgle, and Nighthaunts. Suggestions would be welcome.
That said, my FLGS just posted something about availability that has me a little confused. They claim that there will be no pre-orders for these paints and that only select independent stockists will have the paints on the 15th and only in very limited quanities until the main release on the 22nd of June. Has anyone heard similar?
The first part about no pre-orders seemingly flat out contradicts what has been posted on GW's site about pre-orders on the 8th. However as no sku lists have been leaked from what I have seen and everything pointing to the paints being heavily allocated with indpendent stockists required to have the full size paint rack and committment to minimum orders of every new paint (not just contrast), there seems to be some bit of truth to this. So my theory that reconciles these seemingly conflicting statements is Pre-orders will indeed open in June 8, but only through the GW website and will not be delivered until June 22 and that June 15th is a limited general release with only very limited quanitites on hand for purchase in GW stores and select indpendent stockists. i.e. If you want to have a chance of taking home contrast paints on the 15th you have to show up in stores and hope to grab them before they are gone, otherwise you will be waiting until June 22 to actually get the paints. Thoughts?
That sounds unnecessarily complicated, but funny if true.
Won't affect me as I'm in no rush. I'll buy one or two to give them a try, but I have yet to assemble the designated test models. A week more or less won't make a difference to me.
Other possibility I thought of is my FLGS doesn't think any pre-orders they take will be delivered and this is their way of messaging it, and while like you at the end of the day it really doesn't matter much if I can get the paints on the 15th or a week or two later, I do like to plan so trying to sort my choices of either order from the GW website or wait and take my chances on the 15th at my FLGS.
Daemon rich is the name, although if youre a hobbyist you should really already be following, he's a slayer sword winning painter.
That's just .../facepalm
I'm sure the guy that many of us have never heard of is a great painter and a great guy, but your statement is just incredibly presumptuous.
How is that presumptuous? It's just an advisive statement.. You should be following this guy.
The statement "if you're a hobbyist you should really already be following" can be interpreted as "if you're not following him, you're not a real/worthy hobbyist", which would be a presumptuous and dismissive statement to say the least.
You incorrectly inferring that from my statement isn't really my problem though.
For the Primaris example, which popped up a few pages back:
I started by priming black and then a zenithal highlight of Wraithbone The marine you can see here is just one coat of Blood Angel Red for the base armour, one coat of Iyanden Yellow for the eagle and one coat of Black Templar for the gun. The gun glow was Aethermatic Blue. I think the blue could have done with a white base colour to be more effective. I added some very quick highlights by hand using Evil Sunz Scarlet, Wild Rider Red and Lugganth Orange, and I painted in the eyes with Moot Green and Yriel Yellow. The gun had some very quick upper edge highlights of Daemonette Hide. I then gave the whole model a coat of matte varnish.
I'd be interested to see which part(s) of the troll involved contrast paints and what/how much was done before and after.
Daemon rich is the name, although if youre a hobbyist you should really already be following, he's a slayer sword winning painter.
That's just .../facepalm
I'm sure the guy that many of us have never heard of is a great painter and a great guy, but your statement is just incredibly presumptuous.
How is that presumptuous? It's just an advisive statement.. You should be following this guy.
The statement "if you're a hobbyist you should really already be following" can be interpreted as "if you're not following him, you're not a real/worthy hobbyist", which would be a presumptuous and dismissive statement to say the least.
You incorrectly inferring that from my statement isn't really my problem though.
That's exactly how it read and it is your problem if your words are imprecise enough for multiple people to derive a meaning you hadn't intended.
Lord of Deeds wrote: So like many I am anxious to order some paints to try out. Still trying to figure out what "basic" colors I would need for one of three different armies I have on my shelf that seem to be good fit for contrast, Tyranids, Nurgle, and Nighthaunts. Suggestions would be welcome.
That said, my FLGS just posted something about availability that has me a little confused. They claim that there will be no pre-orders for these paints and that only select independent stockists will have the paints on the 15th and only in very limited quanities until the main release on the 22nd of June. Has anyone heard similar?
The first part about no pre-orders seemingly flat out contradicts what has been posted on GW's site about pre-orders on the 8th. However as no sku lists have been leaked from what I have seen and everything pointing to the paints being heavily allocated with indpendent stockists required to have the full size paint rack and committment to minimum orders of every new paint (not just contrast), there seems to be some bit of truth to this. So my theory that reconciles these seemingly conflicting statements is Pre-orders will indeed open in June 8, but only through the GW website and will not be delivered until June 22 and that June 15th is a limited general release with only very limited quanitites on hand for purchase in GW stores and select indpendent stockists. i.e. If you want to have a chance of taking home contrast paints on the 15th you have to show up in stores and hope to grab them before they are gone, otherwise you will be waiting until June 22 to actually get the paints. Thoughts?
There is no contradiction. GW will be running preorders. Your store a apparently will not, because they're not sure they'll get enough stock.
Binabik15 wrote: Great, great stuff. I think the "Contrast will make beginners bad painters" argument can now be safely put to rest. The difference in results between good painters (great painters!) and just slapping Contrast all over is staggering. Like with all things, brush control is key, and a strong understanding of colours and light theory doesn't hurt, either.
I think the argument still stands, as new painters will not be exposed to said key skills. Contrast is marketed as a colour you just need to slap on generously ("One thick coat") and that is exactly what newcomers will be taught in GW stores.
The fact that professional painters can achieve great results with contrast hast really no bearing on the argument.
That's like saying drybrushing is bad because it doesn't teach "key skills". Or washes. Or dips.
In other words there is no argument, it's the same baseless snobbery we've seen since the beginning of time against any technique that isn't based on traditional "all by hand" painting techniques.
Binabik15 wrote: Great, great stuff. I think the "Contrast will make beginners bad painters" argument can now be safely put to rest. The difference in results between good painters (great painters!) and just slapping Contrast all over is staggering. Like with all things, brush control is key, and a strong understanding of colours and light theory doesn't hurt, either.
I think the argument still stands, as new painters will not be exposed to said key skills. Contrast is marketed as a colour you just need to slap on generously ("One thick coat") and that is exactly what newcomers will be taught in GW stores.
The fact that professional painters can achieve great results with contrast hast really no bearing on the argument.
That's like saying drybrushing is bad because it doesn't teach "key skills". Or washes. Or dips.
In other words there is no argument, it's the same baseless snobbery we've seen since the beginning of time against any technique that isn't based on traditional "all by hand" painting techniques.
I rarely agree with yodhrin but he hit the nail on the head. Additionally anything that gets more painted models on the table is a win for me. And given how many of my fantasy armies are itching for paint and how good this looks for flesh I'm all in. And I paint to a pretty high level generally.
Before you had commercial film you had to work with actual science and skill working the glass plates. You couldn't just fire off 35 shots in one go and then let someone else do all the processing and printing; you had to do it all yourself at home. You got 1 shot and you HAD to make that count!
Darn modern film photographers got it easy with their rolls of film and developing labs and printing firms.....
Except, you could already paint with this technique, people have for a long time. And it doesnt even look that good.
Works on some surfaces, but is complete trash on others.
Here's a weird question, but what do people think of Contrast paints on 15mm models? 10mm? 6mm? Do we think there's a point where details are just too shallow to let this paint do what it does?
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Here's a weird question, but what do people think of Contrast paints on 15mm models? 10mm? 6mm? Do we think there's a point where details are just too shallow to let this paint do what it does?
Interesting question. I'd guess they'd probably be ok on most 15mm (depending on how good the casts there are), but yeah, I suspect you'd start losing the benefits of the paints the more shallow you go. One way to find out...
Smaller than 28mm models have been "all over washed" with a darkening agent for ever. This is, hopefully, a base + darkening agent in one step, by the look of things.
You might need to use less Contrast on a smaller mini, as I suspect part of the process is that the pigment settles towards the recesses in part due to the way it dries. If you just goober on the paint, like some of these videos have been doing, you might not get the "Contrast" difference of lighter raised parts and darker recesses.
My honest suggestion would be to try *less* than you think you'll need at the start. It's easier to add layers than to take them off.
I've certainly got my eye on them for 15mm and am hoping to try them out on some Battle Valor models. To my mind the instant shade and highlight would enhance a lot of 15mm games, esp since the models are tiny and whilst you can, its a lot of hours to get every single trooper looking great with shades and highlights.
Contrast paint, again, being a huge time saver. Plus the surfaces are all quite small so the open area issue won't be a problem.
Yeah same as any other new, more efficient technique. Casuals love it because it makes things easier, small time tryhards hate it because it threatens their status as local store alpahs, and actual pros say "hey cool, another tool".
DanceOfSlaanesh wrote: Except, you could already paint with this technique, people have for a long time. And it doesnt even look that good.
Works on some surfaces, but is complete trash on others.
Oh, i guess im a snob huh.
That depends. Do you look down on people for not doing things "properly?"
Or do you accept that everyone has a different road, different standards and that, at the end of the day, if somebody has produced a result they are happy with using a cut potato and poster paints then that's ok?
I have seen people demoing this stuff, showing full armies they painted and the whole shabang for weeks now. Yet there has not really been any tutorials or anything to give anyone a clue as to what to preorder, which judging from GW's past releases seems to be the only dang way you will get anything from them anymore.
You would think that with as many sets as they gave out... someone would get it.
Azreal13 wrote: ... using a cut potato and poster paints then that's ok?
I totally need to try that. Anyway, these new paints have me excited to paint again, something that hasn't happened in years. So much so that I've already blown a few hundred in a new airbrush and a bunch of Scale 75 paints. I'll definitely be picking up quite a few of these Contrast paints when they come out.
You incorrectly inferring that from my statement isn't really my problem though.
You really should stop telling real hobbyists, or anyone for that matter, what they should be doing.
To real news: The way that they're choosing to release these (2 week pre-order? staggered release? weird bundles that are mostly non-contrast paints? no full paint sets of the range?) seems odd. I know it's a large new range of SKUs all at once, but I don't recall any of their old, large paint revamps being this unnessecarily complex.
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DanceOfSlaanesh wrote: Except, you could already paint with this technique, people have for a long time. And it doesnt even look that good.
Works on some surfaces, but is complete trash on others.
Oh, i guess im a snob huh.
Throughout this thread that I've mostly been lurking in for the past few weeks, you're not exactly acting like someone I'd want to spend time talking to. I'll let you know that much. You've been a braggart, arrogant, unnecessarily dismissive, ill-informed, demeaning... so many of those negative qualities that people refer to when discussing "people on the internet".
lord_blackfang wrote: Yeah same as any other new, more efficient technique. Casuals love it because it makes things easier, small time tryhards hate it because it threatens their status as local store alpahs, and actual pros say "hey cool, another tool".
Well put, I think, but I'm not a pro, and I've been using variations on this technique for many years, but I'm also in the third category here. I don't think it's about "pros" but more mature hobbyists - at least when it comes to tools like paint.
TBH when earlier in the thread you failed to replicate contrast paints well claiming you did, kinda discredited everything you've had to say since then. Sorry DanceOfSlaanesh but you kinda lost a lot of clout in this discussion after that. No one really values you opinion, and it's just getting you worked up to try and "prove us wrong" at this point.
TBH you don't have any skin in this race, and should just Self Care at this point. It feels like your getting yourself worked up, and taking this all very personally. You don't need to let this eat you up inside.
DanceOfSlaanesh wrote: I see nothing have changed, anything remotely cricital of the product and the personal insults starts to rain in.
It only gets "personal" when someone casts the first stone.
Being critical is really to assess what the paint is "good for", it's most useful application.
Once that is properly figured out, it can find it's place in whatever painting toolchest people have.
I look at it as as a more viscous and darker "shade".
It has a behavior much like various weathering pigments where you could do some interesting things when you put too much on and it "runs" down a piece.
"Nothing has changed"... People come and go, things change all the time, maybe your perception has not changed? That is the only commonality unless you have "stalker trolls" and then there is "ignore".
I am interested to see how this supposed change in painting will affect any approach I presently have.
DanceOfSlaanesh wrote: I see nothing have changed, anything remotely cricital of the product and the personal insults starts to rain in.
Ah now, what you've gone and done there is, from where I'm sat, draw a false conclusion. People might be reacting to your posts, true. They might be reacting negatively to your posts, also true. That they're reacting negatively to your posts because you're being critical of the product? Massive great big steaming assumption.
If you are not reacting to my opinion about the product, then its not really related to this thread. You are welcome to send your wonderful insults to me in a PM instead of derailing this thread.
You incorrectly inferring that from my statement isn't really my problem though.
You really should stop telling real hobbyists, or anyone for that matter, what they should be doing.
To real news: The way that they're choosing to release these (2 week pre-order? staggered release? weird bundles that are mostly non-contrast paints? no full paint sets of the range?) seems odd. I know it's a large new range of SKUs all at once, but I don't recall any of their old, large paint revamps being this unnessecarily complex.
I’ve missed where they’ve said staggered release?
And it’s not a 2 week pre order right? It’s the 8th to preorder and they release 15th..
Bundle thing is weird, but also a nice money saving bundle, so I wouldn’t complain as they don’t normally..
the bundle is clearly aimed at people who don't have many paints - a huge corner of the contrast concept is getting non-painters painting. So a few basic paints, shades,layers and some contrast is ideal as a marketing tool for GW to use.
My GW manager got back from a seminar with the contrast paints. He had a few interesting comments.
1. Contrast isn't necessarily for 'new' painters. He thought that new painters might actually be disappointed in the paints if they don't get a proper tutoring in their use.
2. The pigmentation is super strong. He spilled some on his hand and it took two days for it to wash off properly.
Also, not all stores will be getting the full range of paints. The top paint-selling stores will be getting new racks and will sell every paint (including the new forgeworld paints), but most stores will be sacrificing other paints to make room for Contrast and the new base paints (in other words, not getting new racks). If there's a paint you want that you're worried about, get it now.
DanceOfSlaanesh wrote: If you are not reacting to my opinion about the product, then its not really related to this thread. You are welcome to send your wonderful insults to me in a PM instead of derailing this thread.
Ever heard the phrase "it's not what you say, it's how you say it"?
Danny76 wrote: I’ve missed where they’ve said staggered release?
There's been no mention of the new Layer paints (all 8 if them, if you don't count the relabeled Edge paints).
aren't those just the ex-forgeworld paints? a whole bunch of the FW colours that were discontinued are comining back under the GW brand including the airbrush range
Also, not all stores will be getting the full range of paints. The top paint-selling stores will be getting new racks and will sell every paint (including the new forgeworld paints), but most stores will be sacrificing other paints to make room for Contrast and the new base paints (in other words, not getting new racks). If there's a paint you want that you're worried about, get it now.
To make it even more fun, FLGS are required to buy a full stock on the contrast paints if they want to order them. So smaller stores may not stock or be able to order them until GW releases them for individual orders. The new add on rack comes with the order.
Danny76 wrote: I’ve missed where they’ve said staggered release?
There's been no mention of the new Layer paints (all 8 if them, if you don't count the relabeled Edge paints).
aren't those just the ex-forgeworld paints? a whole bunch of the FW colours that were discontinued are comining back under the GW brand including the airbrush range
Yes. Of the old Forge World paints (not including the clear paints), there's 18 Air paints, 13 Base paints and 8 Layer paints. There's been no mention by GW of the Layer paints.
Also note that at this time, paints are not appearing on the GW site at all.
Did anyone see any feedback from pro painters on how they're better than alternatives for specific tasks?
There are now multiple gorgeous minis that were painted by pros using mostly contrast paints. But I didn't see any of them explaining how they can be an improvement over existing ranges.
It's faster to do one coat of contrast than 2 coats of base + a wash (but you don't have as much choice when it comes to colors, and no control over the color of the shadows), but I didn't find any mention of something that is much easier to achieve with contrast than with more traditional ways.
fresus wrote: Did anyone see any feedback from pro painters on how they're better than alternatives for specific tasks?
There are now multiple gorgeous minis that were painted by pros using mostly contrast paints. But I didn't see any of them explaining how they can be an improvement over existing ranges.
It's faster to do one coat of contrast than 2 coats of base + a wash (but you don't have as much choice when it comes to colors, and no control over the color of the shadows), but I didn't find any mention of something that is much easier to achieve with contrast than with more traditional ways.
I’ve heard several people compare them to painting with watercolours as opposed to oils. I can totally see that. They’re being sold as, just slap on one thick coat, but that’s not how the best painters are using them. It’s more a case of painting translucent colours over a pale base and building up the shadows. It’s just a much faster, more fluid technique, just like painting a traditional picture with watercolours is much faster than using oils or acrylics. You’ll still need brush control, a good sense of colour and a degree of skill to get the best results, but I’m seeing good painters finish a mini to a high standard in less than an hour, where previously it might have taken them upwards to 5 hours to get something that looks as good.
In terms of what contrast can do that other paint can’t, there’s a luminescent quality that comes from painting translucent colour over a pale background that’s very difficult to replicate with opaque colour. Not saying that’s necessarily better, just different.
Also, not all stores will be getting the full range of paints. The top paint-selling stores will be getting new racks and will sell every paint (including the new forgeworld paints), but most stores will be sacrificing other paints to make room for Contrast and the new base paints (in other words, not getting new racks). If there's a paint you want that you're worried about, get it now.
To make it even more fun, FLGS are required to buy a full stock on the contrast paints if they want to order them. So smaller stores may not stock or be able to order them until GW releases them for individual orders. The new add on rack comes with the order.
So talked at length with my FLGS owner yesterday and basically confirming what I previously posted. They have been told repeatedly by their account rep only a "select" group of stores are getting the full line on June 15, but only guaranteed 6 pots of each color (which they are one of those stores and have already received their add-on rack). Furthermore their account rep will not give them any details on pre-orders and will not commit to them that any pre-orders taken by independent stockists on June 8 will be delivered along with their inital supply of contrast paints on June 15, but that the paints will be more widely available starting June 22.
So that said and considering the others input and observations I believe the following is accurate;
- GW is taking pre-orders on June 8. (Confirmed by GW)
- Contrast paints will be "available" on June 15 and by "available" I mean in limited locations and quanities. (Street date confirmed by GW, limited availability confirmed by FLGS)
- There is no confirmation that pre-orders placed on June 8 will be delivered by June 15.
- Per my FLGS, paints will be more widely available June 22.
My conclusion is the June 15 street date is restricted to GW stores and select Independent Stockists. If your FLGS does not already have confirmation they are getting paints on June 15, they will not have contrast paints on June 15. Do not plan on placing a pre-order with your independent stockist on June 8 and expect to pick it up or have it delivered by June 15.
If anyone has any contradicitry information, please share.
I’m hoping that they are available from independent retailers and that the preorders don’t sell out too quickly as I have a run tomorrow so won’t be able to preorder until 12ish. Usually I wouldn’t be too bothered about grabbing a preorder but actually have two completely free weekends coming up starting with release weekend, first two of the years so would be nice to actually spend some time with them then.
I’m mostly planning to use on board game plastics starting with either Hellboy or Journeys in Middle-Earth but like the Death Guard results shown so far so tempted to start with some of them.
BertBert wrote: I think the argument still stands, as new painters will not be exposed to said key skills. Contrast is marketed as a colour you just need to slap on generously ("One thick coat") and that is exactly what newcomers will be taught in GW stores.
The fact that professional painters can achieve great results with contrast hast really no bearing on the argument.
The counter argument to the (very gatekeeper-ish) notion that "People won't learn proper techniques!" will always be "So what?".
There is no 'proper' way to paint things. People paint as they paint, some do it well, some don't. These paints offer a different method of painting, and the idea that this is somehow less than, comes from a place of arrogance and fear.
drbored wrote: 1. Contrast isn't necessarily for 'new' painters. He thought that new painters might actually be disappointed in the paints if they don't get a proper tutoring in their use.
I've been wondering about this. While it was heralded as being great for new painters or people who didn't want to go through the effort of painting a whole army, I'm not sure those demographics will benefit most. It appears the required brush control and risk of messing already painted sections up (then, the effort of retouching those) is not ideal for either group. If you want quick, durable results that are "good enough", basic block colours and dip sounds better than careful application of these thin glazes, followed by mandatory varnish.
On a sidenote, I hope GW won't push the use of yellow/grey contrast paints as alternative to metals too much. Unless really well done, it looks terrible. If they can't combine a metallic paint with contrast properties, just use the metallic paint with a wash, rather than use contrast paints just for the sake of them being contrast paints, despite the fact that they give worse results.
My local at this point is a GW (and I’m quite happy). I’m ordering a bottle of the black and the yellow day one (plus whatever colors my wife wants to start with). I already saw how the black works, and that one is a given.
Also, not all stores will be getting the full range of paints. The top paint-selling stores will be getting new racks and will sell every paint (including the new forgeworld paints), but most stores will be sacrificing other paints to make room for Contrast and the new base paints (in other words, not getting new racks). If there's a paint you want that you're worried about, get it now.
To make it even more fun, FLGS are required to buy a full stock on the contrast paints if they want to order them. So smaller stores may not stock or be able to order them until GW releases them for individual orders. The new add on rack comes with the order.
So talked at length with my FLGS owner yesterday and basically confirming what I previously posted. They have been told repeatedly by their account rep only a "select" group of stores are getting the full line on June 15, but only guaranteed 6 pots of each color (which they are one of those stores and have already received their add-on rack). Furthermore their account rep will not give them any details on pre-orders and will not commit to them that any pre-orders taken by independent stockists on June 8 will be delivered along with their inital supply of contrast paints on June 15, but that the paints will be more widely available starting June 22.
So that said and considering the others input and observations I believe the following is accurate;
- GW is taking pre-orders on June 8. (Confirmed by GW)
- Contrast paints will be "available" on June 15 and by "available" I mean in limited locations and quanities. (Street date confirmed by GW, limited availability confirmed by FLGS)
- There is no confirmation that pre-orders placed on June 8 will be delivered by June 15.
- Per my FLGS, paints will be more widely available June 22.
My conclusion is the June 15 street date is restricted to GW stores and select Independent Stockists. If your FLGS does not already have confirmation they are getting paints on June 15, they will not have contrast paints on June 15. Do not plan on placing a pre-order with your independent stockist on June 8 and expect to pick it up or have it delivered by June 15.
If anyone has any contradicitry information, please share.
I don't understand the smoke and mirrors tactics that GW has been doing with ALL the recent or in demand releases. Why not tell the retailers that they are only going to be doing preorders through their website, which that is the only way to guarantee anything anymore. This is intentional by design. I hope eventually by screwing over all those who sell their products the retailers just stop carrying their product. I am getting far too frustrated with figuring out who I am going to have to place an order through and even if that place will be able to get the product. I sure hope karma catches those GW bastards and they are left with nothing.
drbored wrote: 1. Contrast isn't necessarily for 'new' painters. He thought that new painters might actually be disappointed in the paints if they don't get a proper tutoring in their use.
I've been wondering about this. While it was heralded as being great for new painters or people who didn't want to go through the effort of painting a whole army, I'm not sure those demographics will benefit most. It appears the required brush control and risk of messing already painted sections up (then, the effort of retouching those) is not ideal for either group. If you want quick, durable results that are "good enough", basic block colours and dip sounds better than careful application of these thin glazes, followed by mandatory varnish.
On a sidenote, I hope GW won't push the use of yellow/grey contrast paints as alternative to metals too much. Unless really well done, it looks terrible. If they can't combine a metallic paint with contrast properties, just use the metallic paint with a wash, rather than use contrast paints just for the sake of them being contrast paints, despite the fact that they give worse results.
I dunno like, are the people who're just intent on bashing out a quick army be that concerned about retouching? Besides which, I think people place brush control on a pedestal a little bit - it's important, but "be careful until you're used it it, rest your arms & hands in such a way that they're supported, and always remember that the brush will usually deposit the most paint at the end of the stroke" is hardly neurosurgery, and is sufficient for a newbie.
Also, dip still requires brush control, just at the basecoat application stage instead of the "magic goo" application phase.
This seems like a decent representation of how the "just get it done" group will approach things, obviously with the caveat that it won't be this quick for a genuine newbie:
The Contrast hype train is starting to run out juice for me. I honestly believe that Warhammer Community started to build the hype bit too early. When the street date was finally given, my first thought was "do I really have to wait three more weeks?". It feels that I have already waited long enough and if GW fails to provide the product for release date I am going to spend far less than I originally intended.
While I appreciate previews of what to come, too much hype often turns against the product. For me it killed the interest in Forbidden Power and I am afraid it might do the same for Contrast paints and Warcry
regarding whats taught, I was in my local GW the other day and asked and contrast will be demo'd for the next two weeks but after that they won't be using it to teach new painters no. although apparently wraithbone will be the new base colour they use for teaching painting as opposed to black
That was a great video , and really shows what can be done in 40 minutes of actual painting with a modicum of skill.
I’m a little perturbed at the fact I stopped by my FLGS and was told they are getting their initial shipment, but it will be sold out quickly and GW is expecting a few weeks until restocks happen . Good support on a new range.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "People won't learn proper techniques!" will always be "So what?".
There is no 'proper' way to paint things. People paint as they paint, some do it well, some don't. These paints offer a different method of painting, and the idea that this is somehow less than, comes from a place of arrogance and fear.
"Arrogance and fear". Wow. Really?
So...
This:
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is just the same as this?
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Sorry for the slight OT.
About the product itself, i think they are inks with perhaps more pigments, just like these:
Ya, but the top guy's stuff started out like the bottom guys. No one starts their first painting gig doing the Sistine Chapel. According to some of the snobs here I should have stayed using Testers model paints and never aspired to anything but the below guy's stuff. Next I found Polly S paints and acrylic paints and then Heroes for Wargames. By the time GW brought out their first Inks in dropper bottles, it was on. Show someone that painting isn't a horrible chore and maybe they'll learn to enjoy it. Maybe they'll be excellent at it. Maybe they'll just have a Battle Ready army.
Can't wait to see someone paint CMoN minis like the ones in Zombicide with this stuff.
Irbis wrote: Guy who did Rhino video just tried different technique, with much faster and better looking results:
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I wonder, would that work for Space Marines and other models with too many too flat surfaces?
I've been mulling over using the black contrast with a silver basecoat for an Iron Hands force. This sponge application certainly has potential for the bigger models.
Ya really. The only ones down on these paints are local store heroes who are peeved they won't be able to lord it over the unwashed, unpainted masses anymore. Same as people who were upset when the first superheavy was made into plastic and they weren't special snowflakes with their resin Baneblade anymore.
I keep flip flopping on these. I’ve seen some great examples of Contrast in use, which makes me want to give them a try. On the other hand, I know I couldn’t replicate my usual painting style with Contrast, so I’m a bit torn. I’m not sure I can justify spending a lot of money on new paint that I might not like.
Also, not all stores will be getting the full range of paints. The top paint-selling stores will be getting new racks and will sell every paint (including the new forgeworld paints), but most stores will be sacrificing other paints to make room for Contrast and the new base paints (in other words, not getting new racks). If there's a paint you want that you're worried about, get it now.
To make it even more fun, FLGS are required to buy a full stock on the contrast paints if they want to order them. So smaller stores may not stock or be able to order them until GW releases them for individual orders. The new add on rack comes with the order.
So talked at length with my FLGS owner yesterday and basically confirming what I previously posted. They have been told repeatedly by their account rep only a "select" group of stores are getting the full line on June 15, but only guaranteed 6 pots of each color (which they are one of those stores and have already received their add-on rack). Furthermore their account rep will not give them any details on pre-orders and will not commit to them that any pre-orders taken by independent stockists on June 8 will be delivered along with their inital supply of contrast paints on June 15, but that the paints will be more widely available starting June 22.
So that said and considering the others input and observations I believe the following is accurate;
- GW is taking pre-orders on June 8. (Confirmed by GW)
- Contrast paints will be "available" on June 15 and by "available" I mean in limited locations and quanities. (Street date confirmed by GW, limited availability confirmed by FLGS)
- There is no confirmation that pre-orders placed on June 8 will be delivered by June 15.
- Per my FLGS, paints will be more widely available June 22.
My conclusion is the June 15 street date is restricted to GW stores and select Independent Stockists. If your FLGS does not already have confirmation they are getting paints on June 15, they will not have contrast paints on June 15. Do not plan on placing a pre-order with your independent stockist on June 8 and expect to pick it up or have it delivered by June 15.
If anyone has any contradicitry information, please share.
I talked to my FLGS yesterday. His take:
All GW Stores and only FLGS that buy either the $2000 or $4000 paint options (the new paint racks and stuff) will get the Contrast paints on release date. The rest have to wait until all the orders are done and hope there are any left. Maybe a month later.
There might be exceptions for FLGS that already carry a gak ton of stock, but I don’t know.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: I keep flip flopping on these. I’ve seen some great examples of Contrast in use, which makes me want to give them a try. On the other hand, I know I couldn’t replicate my usual painting style with Contrast, so I’m a bit torn. I’m not sure I can justify spending a lot of money on new paint that I might not like.
I've decided to use them only on a new army. With some of my existing armies I don't think I could get the blend right to fit in with the style but I can use these on new armies like my beastmen, orks, or tyranids.
jullevi wrote: The Contrast hype train is starting to run out juice for me. I honestly believe that Warhammer Community started to build the hype bit too early. When the street date was finally given, my first thought was "do I really have to wait three more weeks?". It feels that I have already waited long enough and if GW fails to provide the product for release date I am going to spend far less than I originally intended.
While I appreciate previews of what to come, too much hype often turns against the product. For me it killed the interest in Forbidden Power and I am afraid it might do the same for Contrast paints and Warcry
Agreed, I feel that too long a preview/hype/advertising period ends up really killing the quality of the end product.
By the time the Contrast paints actually come out, they'll basically be useless. Utterly useless. Why can't GW see that?
A Qualifying Order consists of the purchase of 10 paints in the following combination as part of a single order:
(i) 4 Base paints from Product List A; and
(ii) 2 Shade paints from Product List B; and
(iii) 3 Contrast paints from Product List C; and
(iv) 1 Technical paint from Product List D.
No restriction on taking more than 1 of the same paint. Limited to 20 sets per person. Discount applied at checkout.
The other bundles don't seem to be discounted just all of a certain set in a 1 click order for the same price as they would be individually.
jullevi wrote: The Contrast hype train is starting to run out juice for me. I honestly believe that Warhammer Community started to build the hype bit too early. When the street date was finally given, my first thought was "do I really have to wait three more weeks?". It feels that I have already waited long enough and if GW fails to provide the product for release date I am going to spend far less than I originally intended.
While I appreciate previews of what to come, too much hype often turns against the product. For me it killed the interest in Forbidden Power and I am afraid it might do the same for Contrast paints and Warcry
Agreed, I feel that too long a preview/hype/advertising period ends up really killing the quality of the end product.
By the time the Contrast paints actually come out, they'll basically be useless. Utterly useless. Why can't GW see that?
*cough*
Don't twist my words by agreeing to something I did not say.
I said that long wait is killing my excitement for the product. If I am given too much time to think, I may end up making reasonable decisions instead of impulse purchases However, it looks like my FLGS is placing a big order so buy-everything-without-thinking is still an option...
Ghaz wrote: Pre-orders are up on the New Zealand site (all 299 of them), including several bundles.
They are garbage, though. Half no discount, half smaller discount than independent stores while having only 30% of contrast in it. They really dropped ball on this one, if there was a Paint + Built bundle (which usually has not only paint discount, but free models too and can be bought from normal shops) I'd grabbed it in a heartbeat, now, I'll wait the month or two before the new paints finally reach this country
MonkeyBallistic wrote: I keep flip flopping on these. I’ve seen some great examples of Contrast in use, which makes me want to give them a try. On the other hand, I know I couldn’t replicate my usual painting style with Contrast, so I’m a bit torn. I’m not sure I can justify spending a lot of money on new paint that I might not like.
Then don't spend lots of money on them? Just... buy one pot? Or two?
These look pretty good for certain colours that some people tend to struggle with. Whites, yellows, some reds, black, for example. I'll definitely be picking up the Contrast pots aimed at those colours. I don't see any reason to replace paints and techniques I'm already happy with with them at this stage.
Of course, if the Contrast range does indeed speed up my overall painting (something which is probably more down to me rather than the specific paints/techniques I use, to be perfectly honest) and/or gives better results than I already achieve without them, then I'll probably buy more.
There's no need for anyone to throw huge wads of cash at new paints if they already have perfectly good ones and they're not entirely sure.
DaveC wrote: I'm not sure I like these new paint pot colour graphics. They would probably be OK with a real example of the paint colour as well.
Yes, the new graphics are horrible. I was hoping for photos of the paints used on actual minis.
I would like to believe they chose to use the paint swatches as they match the paint colour better than just looking at a pot of paint. That being said, I would like real life examples of the paints as well.
I also see that the missing Layer oaints are also up for pre-order. No idea why they kept them a secret...
Ghaz wrote: Pre-orders are up on the New Zealand site (all 299 of them), including several bundles.
They are garbage, though. Half no discount, half smaller discount than independent stores while having only 30% of contrast in it. They really dropped ball on this one, if there was a Paint + Built bundle (which usually has not only paint discount, but free models too and can be bought from normal shops) I'd grabbed it in a heartbeat, now, I'll wait the month or two before the new paints finally reach this country
One-click bundles rarely, if ever, give a discount. People still seem to ask for them however.
Maybe it's has something to do with looking at the NZ site, but is there a reason that prices and the pre-order button aren't showing up for spray cans?
To real news: The way that they're choosing to release these (2 week pre-order? staggered release? weird bundles that are mostly non-contrast paints? no full paint sets of the range?) seems odd. I know it's a large new range of SKUs all at once, but I don't recall any of their old, large paint revamps being this unnessecarily complex.
I’ve missed where they’ve said staggered release?
And it’s not a 2 week pre order right? It’s the 8th to preorder and they release 15th..
Bundle thing is weird, but also a nice money saving bundle, so I wouldn’t complain as they don’t normally..
They haven't really said anything firmly, but I've seen reports online about it being a staggered release, with not all retailers getting their product for release on the 15th. I'd have thought we'd find out properly today, but the NZ site doesn't really inform us of much. There has been at least one more post discussing dodgy supply and a staggered release in more detail, though.
The bundles are clearly aimed at new players and painters. I'm disappointed that there are no proper paint sets as I don't need a pile of extra base paints nor shades, but I guess they figure that people like us will just buybuybuy as they're released. The GW discount probably won't be much compared to a friendly retailer's discount anyway. I'm not familiar with the NZ standard prices, and it's just easier for me to wait for the AU site update to roll around in under an hour...
By the time the Contrast paints actually come out, they'll basically be useless. Utterly useless. Why can't GW see that?
*cough*
They won't be useless or anything, but the long drawn-out wait and now staggered release and uneven supply to many stores is getting fething annoying.
It doesn't diminish the (potential) value of the product, but it can piss people off and diminish their enthusiasm for it. Especially when GW has trained us to often find about something (or the details of it) a week before pre-order. With something like paint, people can have a "cool, I want to use them on my ______ models" reaction, and a month or more later when it's finally available their enthusiasm can have waned and they may have moved onto other things.
Chris521 wrote: Maybe it's has something to do with looking at the NZ site, but is there a reason that prices and the pre-order button aren't showing up for spray cans?
Yes. All of NZ orders are fulfilled from Australia and rattlecans are not allowed to be sent through the post.
The All The New Paints bundle on the NZ site states that it will ship on June 15th. No staggered release dates for the new Base, Layer, Air or Contrast paints. There may be low stock or shortages, but there is no staggered release.
Ghaz wrote: The All The New Paints bundle on the NZ site states that it will ship on June 15th. No staggered release dates for the new Base, Layer, Air or Contrast paints. There may be low stock or shortages, but there is no staggered release.
That's purchasing them from GW directly and has no references to supply for individual independent retailers.
I don't think people have been talking about the new paints being staggered across their ranges (contrast, air, base, layer, etc) but new paints being staggered in their overall availability to different "tiers" of retailers.
Chris521 wrote: Maybe it's has something to do with looking at the NZ site, but is there a reason that prices and the pre-order button aren't showing up for spray cans?
Yes. All of NZ orders are fulfilled from Australia and rattlecans are not allowed to be sent through the post.
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Also a new video with contrast paint and zenithal highlighting.
While I personally don't like the darker Imperial Fist, I think it's a nice effect without to much effort. I'm planning on testing out some contrast for Deathwatch to see if I can find a good way and I might try that technique. Perhaps mechanicus grey, with a grey seer highlight, then black templar contrast?
Ghaz wrote: And again it's not a staggered release just because stores may be shorted or not able to get some of the paints in.
Let's argue over semantics.
We're also not talking about being shorted or not able to get some of the paints in. We're talking about staggered release availability and some stores not being able to get any of the paints in.
A staggered release is what they did with the Chaos Space Marines earlier in the year. They released some of the models in the first week, some of the models in the second week and so on and so forth.
Not having enough product to cover the release does not make it a staggered release. It simply means that the product is out of stock and some stores may not get some or all of their order in time for the release date.
Staggered availability of the release then. Again, are you just here to argue over semantics?
It's not "out of stock" as it hasn't been released nor allocated yet - nor are they apparently even allowing some stores to order it for the release date.
I don't know how you can try to call a product "out of stock" when retailers haven't all even had a chance to order it yet?
You know what? Nevermind. You're being deliberately obtuse and unnecessarily recalcitrant so I'm just going to stop talking to you.
jullevi wrote: The Contrast hype train is starting to run out juice for me. I honestly believe that Warhammer Community started to build the hype bit too early. When the street date was finally given, my first thought was "do I really have to wait three more weeks?". It feels that I have already waited long enough and if GW fails to provide the product for release date I am going to spend far less than I originally intended.
While I appreciate previews of what to come, too much hype often turns against the product. For me it killed the interest in Forbidden Power and I am afraid it might do the same for Contrast paints and Warcry
Ya rumors pretty much are they won't even start to remotely stock the contrast paints until the end of the month and even then it will probably be sold out. GW can't prepare for anything and I see this being a whole lot of hype for a product that few will get to enjoy. Seems to be the norm for GW nowadays.
Eh, the ‘hype’ seems to be perfectly pitched if people are psyched and this is looking to sell out quickly. But obviously spinning that as incompetence, marketing being boring etc is the forum norm. It’s obviously inconvenient if you don’t get some day one and wanted some but it’s not the apocalypse (different box set, that one!).
JohnnyHell wrote: Eh, the ‘hype’ seems to be perfectly pitched if people are psyched and this is looking to sell out quickly. But obviously spinning that as incompetence, marketing being boring etc is the forum norm. It’s obviously inconvenient if you don’t get some day one and wanted some but it’s not the apocalypse (different box set, that one!).
Have to agree , the sheer selfentitledness of some posters here is staggering, contrast paints are a significant and permanently available product addition to the paint range, they haven't even been available to preorder and people are worrying about stuff being out of stock???
We're very sorry to report, due to stock limitations there will be a staggered dispatch for the Citadel Contrast range.
This will cause delays and the pushing back of dispatch dates. We will fulfil all orders placed chronologically and as soon as the stock comes in it will be processed and sent out.
Please be aware when ordering that the dispatch date you are quoted may very much be subject to change.
please do note we will be dispatching as many Contrast orders as we can for release on Friday
Looks like the reported stock level issues are going to effect the UK as well as the USA
Several retailers are reporting calls from their GW reps this morning warning them that there will be issues such this this from Element Games on facebook
Yeah I had to place 2 orders with Element Games 1 for release on the 15th and 1 for release on the 28th - 2 lots of shipping but still way cheaper than buying direct (€4.47 each versus €6.30)
To be fair this isn't unexpected. Contrast paints are huge for GW and likely well beyond their own market as well (other miniature companies and such). So chances are this is a vast seller for them and even with their stocks they couldn't supply it all. A few weeks/month or two of choppy supply all then settling down once the buying frenzy is over.
Look on the bright side, if you can't get hold of them yourself you can at least watch the videos and articles that pop up as others experiment with them.
Overread wrote: To be fair this isn't unexpected. Contrast paints are huge for GW and likely well beyond their own market as well (other miniature companies and such). So chances are this is a vast seller for them and even with their stocks they couldn't supply it all. A few weeks/month or two of choppy supply all then settling down once the buying frenzy is over.
Definitely a 1st world problem though because people can't get some paints for a couple of weeks
If, as advertised, they are to get rid of mountains of grey plastic that have been sitting idle for years then a few extra weeks won't make any difference
Look on the bright side, if you can't get hold of them yourself you can at least watch the videos and articles that pop up as others experiment with them.
Yes, chances are we'll have a months of lots of badly painted models gracing the web/youtube etc. Like any paint it will time, practice and patience to use well. Those professionals demonstrating them are already highly skilled in control and these paints will need that level of control and to get the most out of them people will still need to practice, brush control etc.
I would not expect it to be long until other companies produce their own version either, likely at lower cost and wider range.
This campaign has been quite funny so far and so are painters reactions
GW pitch is obviously exaggerated but in a positive tone, they were quite clever bringing in the professional painters and is impressive the interaction they had with the painting community.
People typical reactions to new things is err typical.
I just don't think this is new, or old… is just a paint pot with rich pigments in it, useful for some minis, I do like some of those colours but do I really need to buy more paints since I have hundreds of vallejos and GW and PP etc?
Probably yes
THis is not the paint pot that will rule above all for sure, there is no such thing.
I’m fine with this stock situation. Means I have to wait longer before I order which means I can watch more YouTube videos before I do to get what I need/want right !
As long as I can get the core colors for my models and a can of each of the sprays, I will be fine. Leviadon Blue, Blood Angels Red, Black Templar, Skeleton Horde, Wyldwood, and Apothecary White are all I really need for my entire army. I might grab Dark Angels Green for my Kill Team, but that is really it. By the time I am ready to paint another army, the stock issue will likely be resolved.
I took the time to go and demo the paints out today, and I have to say, they were far, far worse for me and my usual working technique than I was expecting. I found the paints very messy, since the shading effect seemed to work best with a very saturated, wet brush, which is tricky to control to create smooth, clear color boundaries.
The finished Contrast is also very thin and fragile, which is another black mark against it for my personal use, since I'm very undermotivated as a painter and my projects often need to wait several years to be finished, and the Contrast-painted test models felt like they wouldn't cope with any longterm storage or careless handling without being protected by a clear coat of some kind.
I will not be buying these paints myself, based on these results. I'd go so far as to say I could not possibly create a tabletop standard miniature with them. As many other people have had extraordinary results, I can only surmise the problem lies with my learned painting method, which I've stuck with for well over 20 years at this point
Agamemnon2 wrote: I took the time to go and demo the paints out today, and I have to say, they were far, far worse for me and my usual working technique than I was expecting. I found the paints very messy, since the shading effect seemed to work best with a very saturated, wet brush, which is tricky to control to create smooth, clear color boundaries.
The finished Contrast is also very thin and fragile, which is another black mark against it for my personal use, since I'm very undermotivated as a painter and my projects often need to wait several years to be finished, and the Contrast-painted test models felt like they wouldn't cope with any longterm storage or careless handling without being protected by a clear coat of some kind.
I will not be buying these paints myself, based on these results. I'd go so far as to say I could not possibly create a tabletop standard miniature with them. As many other people have had extraordinary results, I can only surmise the problem lies with my learned painting method, which I've stuck with for well over 20 years at this point
Curious my experience it's been quite opposite, while they aren't going to make my style easier i can find some uses for some other projects and we tested to brush off some paint from some minis with the nail and the paint didn't fell as easily as we feared at the beginning.
mixing with a bit of water or just doing a very very thin layer can give a Glaze effect with some colours (as example akhelian green over dark angel and warp lighthing darkened the colours just close to abaddon black and caliban green )
I can say for sure that contrast are heavily dependant in brush control and paint placement , making huge difference how much paint you load in the brush before applying.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I took the time to go and demo the paints out today, and I have to say, they were far, far worse for me and my usual working technique than I was expecting...
Curious my experience it's been quite opposite...
I tried them as well and it is clear that not everyone will use them in the same way if they use them at all. I liked them but my usual technique involves a lot of washes and edge highlighting or drybrushing. These look great over a pale coloured undercoat with a quick drybrushed highlight and the strong colours of the contrast paints really smooth out the underpainting for a nice finish. Some used two coats for a more even finish and then a quick edge highlight for a finish pretty much identical to conventional layering. To be honest, they are not the be all and end all of paint but added to the rest of the range they make a comprehensive set of very versatile washes. I preordered a dozen of the most useful colours, well of the ones that are still available to buy.
Just put in my pre-order for the Battle Ready bundle. Just went for the basics that I could use right now, and I'll just buy any additional contrast paints from other retailers at a discount. Since I don't need any of the normal GW paints, I just went for two each of the Contrast base paints to fill out that part.
If I didn’t follow the terms and conditions I wouldn’t have been given any sort of discount at all, would I?
I just tried again, selecting different paints (flesh tearers red out of stock now!), the discount that I received was a slightly less pointless £2.50
I don't know what you're doing then, because selecting:
Grey Seer, Corvus Black, Corax White, Death Korps Drab.
Apothecary White, Leviadon Blue, Shyish Purple.
Biel-Tan Green+Coelia Greenshade.
Contrast Medium
Saves me $15.10 vs individually.
I assume there’s a way to purposely pick the cheapest in each option to get a smaller saving, to show GW aren’t great at deals.
And likewise the maximum option to say, they are offering a huge saving.
Base and Shade are all flat prices though right? Except maybe gold or some such.
As are Contrast?
So it would largely depend on your technical
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Fenrir Kitsune wrote: I’m still of the opinion that the only thing that gets painting done is elbow grease, rather than gimmicky paint lines
Tried it.
The grease reacted very badly with the overall finish.
I'm ordering from element games as they have the ones that are out of stock on gw. It costs 35.88 for the same bundles, plus you can get layer paints like soh green too. I'm curious to try the apothecary white.
Does anyone know what's going to be different about the new armageddon dunes technical to the current armageddon dunes texture?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Apologies, that's 35.88 with an extra contrast paint, so it's an even better deal really.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: I'm ordering from element games as they have the ones that are out of stock on gw. It costs 35.88 for the same bundles, plus you can get layer paints like soh green too. I'm curious to try the apothecary white.
Does anyone know what's going to be different about the new armageddon dunes technical to the current armageddon dunes texture?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Apologies, that's 35.88 with an extra contrast paint, so it's an even better deal really.
I don’t think there’s going to be anything different with the Armageddon dunes, just renaming the textures as technicals and I believe bringing them all up to 24ml.
If I didn’t follow the terms and conditions I wouldn’t have been given any sort of discount at all, would I?
I just tried again, selecting different paints (flesh tearers red out of stock now!), the discount that I received was a slightly less pointless £2.50
I don't know what you're doing then, because selecting:
Grey Seer, Corvus Black, Corax White, Death Korps Drab.
Apothecary White, Leviadon Blue, Shyish Purple.
Biel-Tan Green+Coelia Greenshade.
Contrast Medium
Saves me $15.10 vs individually.
I assume there’s a way to purposely pick the cheapest in each option to get a smaller saving, to show GW aren’t great at deals.
And likewise the maximum option to say, they are offering a huge saving.
Maybe, but I think it’s more to do with overseas buyers getting better deals compared to uk buyers, as overseas prices are higher and so the discounts may appear better
So they're demoing the paints in store (preorders seem to have sold out or are in the process of selling out.
Tried my planned paint scheme and I didn't feel like I was doing any less work to do the marine, but when I was ready to call it 'done' only am hour had passed so...?
It's definitely not a replacement for the old paints when you're going for a complete and detailed result, but it's probably the closest to a good yellow I've ever done and definitely a way to get your army tabletop quality super fast.
GeeDub blundering a major release I see.
Lots of colours out of stock on pre-order.
I understand this on shorter display life plastic box sets, but with a permanent addition like paint, an overstock is only a temporary problem. GW as lousy as usual with pre-orders.
Especially if the 'net fills up with pics of lousy quick paint jobs over the next few weeks and puts people off bothering.
Gimgamgoo wrote: GeeDub blundering a major release I see.
Lots of colours out of stock on pre-order.
I understand this on shorter display life plastic box sets, but with a permanent addition like paint, an overstock is only a temporary problem. GW as lousy as usual with pre-orders.
Especially if the 'net fills up with pics of lousy quick paint jobs over the next few weeks and puts people off bothering.
I'm not really sure that there's anything that GW could have done here. There was going to be a lot of demand for these before they were released. But it'll spike quickly, and then drop down to much more normal levels as time passes. Long-term, GW wouldn't want to dramatically ramp up production because then they'd have a lot of wasted production when the demand dropped back down again. Setting up and shutting down production lines takes time and money, so a company needs to be careful about that if it wants to stay solvent. So they'd have two options -
1.) Store up a lot of paints before release. That costs money for the storage space (particularly since paint pots have issues drying up if stored for too long in many environments), and risks giving competitors enough time to get their own products to market immediately after the GW release (or possibly even before if the delay is long enough).
2.) Set a modest amount of stock aside before release, and then hope that the pre-order shortages don't generate too much bad will.
Oh good grief. It’s hugely popular, it’s becoming a lasting range, and they’re going to keep making people happy. If there were too many left over on opening weekend, people would say they were too arrogant with their new line. So people might have to wait an extra week. Just...plan, watch, and enjoy it all a week later (and save up to get more).
Unless, of course, it comes out much lighter.
Of course, doing so seems to completely bypass the whole point of them in the first place, which is to have thick enough coats so that it can settle in the recesses. Airbrushing them looks to be essentially the same as airbrushing transparent inks, which may still have uses but I don't think I'd waste the Contrast paints on this application method.
. For a pot size between layer paints and shades, it would be reasonable to expect price tag that is also between them.
However, it looks like my 
