Frozocrone wrote: So will the Imperium Index 1 factions all be allies and so on?
I hope they remove ally shenanigans in general to be honest.
You're not gonna like 8th ed then. All units within the same FoC only have to share a keyword. I.e. "Imperium". It's prefectly ok for example to have a Space Marine Commander HQ, a Imperial Guard Troops and Sisters of Battle Elites all in the same FoC.
Rules for all the rest of the Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range, including the myriad xenos races of the galaxy and the massed forces of the Astra Militarum and their accompanying Imperial Agents, will all be appearing in additional Index books that set to be released before the end of June.
Frozocrone wrote: So will the Imperium Index 1 factions all be allies and so on?
I hope they remove ally shenanigans in general to be honest.
You're not gonna like 8th ed then. All units within the same FoC only have to share a keyword. I.e. "Imperium". It's prefectly ok for example to have a Space Marine Commander HQ, a Imperial Guard Troops and Sisters of Battle Elites all in the same FoC.
Cool, someone has the book!
How does that effect our choice of command ability or points?
It all looks fantastic except the interceptors (which could look cool with a little conversion work) and the baby faced sorcerer.
With 53 minis a full hardback book and several mini books I am scared how much this will cost.
If they sell this for standard starter set price, they will sell tens of thousands of copies, but £100 or more is a hard sell even for an amazing Box set.
Tactical objective cards in the starer set.
So randomly drawn objectives are a high possibility then...
I actually like the new assaulties and 'hellblasters'. I'll wait to read the rules before splashing on books though.
Like, in before people go 'youre getting rules like everyone else!'
Yes I know, the currently models will 'have rules.'
However, the fact that other factions (Deathwatch/GreyKnights) from Imperial Agents gets their named emblazoned on the cover, clearly shows GW don't consider Sisters to be 'a selling point' so not worth giving cover space too.
Which is an indication of how much love we can expect the line to get down the road. RIP.
Like, in before people go 'youre getting rules like everyone else!'
Yes I know, the currently models will 'have rules.'
However, the fact that other factions (Deathwatch/GreyKnights) from Imperial Agents gets their named emblazoned on the cover, clearly shows GW don't consider Sisters to be 'a selling point' so not worth giving cover space too.
Which is an indication of how much love we can expect the line to get down the road. RIP.
Grey Knights and Deathwatch had what, 2-4 units each in Imperial Agents?
Frozocrone wrote: So will the Imperium Index 1 factions all be allies and so on?
I hope they remove ally shenanigans in general to be honest.
You're not gonna like 8th ed then. All units within the same FoC only have to share a keyword. I.e. "Imperium". It's prefectly ok for example to have a Space Marine Commander HQ, a Imperial Guard Troops and Sisters of Battle Elites all in the same FoC.
Cool, someone has the book!
How does that effect our choice of command ability or points?
No book, it's been in the previews. In the previewed FoC's, all have the restriction of the same faction:
Spoiler:
And we have examples of faction keywords, "Imperium" and "Chaos" are very high level ones:
SoB are a niche faction, and are getting the coverage they should. My only issue is that GW haven't come out and said it, as it would stop the moaning once and for all.
Or, we simply don't have them at launch because they don't have the models. A redesign of the range is needed, and this would fit into GW doing a Codex further down the line.
Erghhh! I hate that the guy in the video is slavering all over GW and like "I've never seen anything like this before! ". When in the 90s the rule book often came with everything you needed including the majority of the codexs! They didn't split it up like this crap...
However with 'talons of the emperor' getting cover space who have what like, two units really, IMO shows that GW doesnt have any near plans for a Sisters model revamp.
If they did, they'd be positioning them a lot more prominently to keep them up front and in people's minds.
That's just my opinion tho, and nothing more. I'll end it there.
I still have all my metal models to play with, and will continue to play with (I won't be buying anything new from GW till I get plastic sisters)
lolman1c wrote: Erghhh! I hate that the guy in the video is slavering all over GW and like "I've never seen anything like this before! ". When in the 90s the rule book often came with everything you needed including the majority of the codexs! They didn't split it up like this crap...
"Here Sam, look suitably amazed and awestruck or you're being sacked."
Oh Gods, all the miniatures, the tactical objectives, everything about this release:
It's amazing how that tiny detail of being able to glue the helmet to their belt AND NOT LOOKING SILLY makes me SO-DAMN-HAPPY. The new Jet-packs are so good looking, I'm really a fan.
Frozocrone wrote: So will the Imperium Index 1 factions all be allies and so on?
I hope they remove ally shenanigans in general to be honest.
You're not gonna like 8th ed then. All units within the same FoC only have to share a keyword. I.e. "Imperium". It's prefectly ok for example to have a Space Marine Commander HQ, a Imperial Guard Troops and Sisters of Battle Elites all in the same FoC.
Cool, someone has the book!
How does that effect our choice of command ability or points?
No book, it's been in the previews. In the previewed FoC's, all have the restriction of the same faction:
Spoiler:
And we have examples of faction keywords, "Imperium" and "Chaos" are very high level ones:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Ahh, so you are making assumptions.
in AoS,The 'ORDER' faction keyword gives you certain tables and abilities to pick from. If you want the cooler, better, more thematic bonuses, artefacts etc, you have to go for a specific faction.
SO MY ASSUMPTION is that this will be the case in 8th.
lolman1c wrote: Erghhh! I hate that the guy in the video is slavering all over GW and like "I've never seen anything like this before! ". When in the 90s the rule book often came with everything you needed including the majority of the codexs! They didn't split it up like this crap...
Kinda sorta, but not really... The Black codex was probably nowhere as detailed as these books are going to be, not to mention the fact that there's a lot more out there now then when 3rd came out. Also, the "often" you're using only applied to 3rd Edition.
Frozocrone wrote: So will the Imperium Index 1 factions all be allies and so on?
I hope they remove ally shenanigans in general to be honest.
You're not gonna like 8th ed then. All units within the same FoC only have to share a keyword. I.e. "Imperium". It's prefectly ok for example to have a Space Marine Commander HQ, a Imperial Guard Troops and Sisters of Battle Elites all in the same FoC.
Cool, someone has the book!
How does that effect our choice of command ability or points?
No book, it's been in the previews. In the previewed FoC's, all have the restriction of the same faction:
Spoiler:
And we have examples of faction keywords, "Imperium" and "Chaos" are very high level ones:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Well...hopefully it won't be as bad as 7th or Taudar then. Because the rest of it sounds pretty dang good.
lolman1c wrote: Erghhh! I hate that the guy in the video is slavering all over GW and like "I've never seen anything like this before! ". When in the 90s the rule book often came with everything you needed including the majority of the codexs! They didn't split it up like this crap...
They also didn't have 4 flavours of Eldar, 7 flavours of Space Marines, Necrons, Tau, Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, Custodes, Inquisition, Assassins, Adeptus Mechanicus, Skitarii, Imperial Knights, Chaos Marines, Chaos Daemons, Traitor Knights, Tyranids and Genestealer cults to all fit into the one book. That's 27 individual factions so far (although as we see, the 4 Eldar and 7 Space Marine factions can be rolled together, so it's really only 16 unique factions).
lolman1c wrote: Erghhh! I hate that the guy in the video is slavering all over GW and like "I've never seen anything like this before! ". When in the 90s the rule book often came with everything you needed including the majority of the codexs! They didn't split it up like this crap...
"Here Sam, look suitably amazed and awestruck or you're being sacked."
Because promotional advertisements often feature people seeming indifferent or merely okay about the product they're advertising....
in AoS,The 'ORDER' faction keyword gives you certain tables and abilities to pick from. If you want the cooler, better, more thematic bonuses, artefacts etc, you have to go for a specific faction.
SO MY ASSUMPTION is that this will be the case in 8th.
Let us see who is right
He didn't make any assumptions about what you get. What we do know is that multi-faction(ie say imperium and eldar) will make it harder for you to get command points. Apart from that we need to get glance on codexes.
Though you can still get dark angel bonuses and also eldar force. You just get less command points and less keyword synergies for abilities
lolman1c wrote: Erghhh! I hate that the guy in the video is slavering all over GW and like "I've never seen anything like this before! ". When in the 90s the rule book often came with everything you needed including the majority of the codexs! They didn't split it up like this crap...
"Here Sam, look suitably amazed and awestruck or you're being sacked."
Because promotional advertisements often feature people seeming indifferent or merely okay about the product they're advertising....
It's literally any excuse for a pop, it's amazing
If I get some burning mini videos today I think this might top AoS release announcement as my favourite hobby day
Like, in before people go 'youre getting rules like everyone else!'
Yes I know, the currently models will 'have rules.'
However, the fact that other factions (Deathwatch/GreyKnights) from Imperial Agents gets their named emblazoned on the cover, clearly shows GW don't consider Sisters to be 'a selling point' so not worth giving cover space too.
Which is an indication of how much love we can expect the line to get down the road. RIP.
I really hope the narrative for the first 8E expansion covers the story of the Adepta Sororitas being eaten by Daemons, who in turn are eaten by Tyranids, who then get exterminatus'd to ****. That way we can draw a line forever under this kind of pathetic martyrdom about whose space dollies are 'mistreated' the worst.
in AoS,The 'ORDER' faction keyword gives you certain tables and abilities to pick from. If you want the cooler, better, more thematic bonuses, artefacts etc, you have to go for a specific faction.
SO MY ASSUMPTION is that this will be the case in 8th.
Let us see who is right
He didn't make any assumptions about what you get. What we do know is that multi-faction(ie say imperium and eldar) will make it harder for you to get command points. Apart from that we need to get glance on codexes.
Though you can still get dark angel bonuses and also eldar force. You just get less command points and less keyword synergies for abilities
It's been confirmed that certain wargear access won't be faction specific then? That's cool, chuck up a link then, it will be genuinely the first think I haven't liked from the new ed.
Thebiggesthat wrote: It's been confirmed that certain wargear access won't be faction specific then? That's cool, chuck up a link then, it will be genuinely the first think I haven't liked from the new ed.
Care to give example what wargear you are talking about? But looks like it works like this:
You take 1-n detachments. All models inside detachment need to share faction keyword. At most shallow that's "imperium" so you could literally have any imperial unit.
Now if you refer to faction specific wargear like dark angel standard pretty obvious option to take that is only on model that has faction keyword "dark angel". But you can still take that on detachment where all share keyword "imperium"
Now will there be some specific bonuses if you take detachment with keyword "dark angel" on all? Not known, quite likely.
Then since you can take more than one detachment second detachment can be all different. Maybe all are IG and you get IG specific bonuses for that detachment? Or even go for combined eldar force or specialized biel-tan force.
How the units between 2 detachment works out we don't know. Presumably there's some sort of ally level like 7th ed.
Huh? They are - the Imperium/Chaos books are preorder for launch, and the other armies have their FW stuff rolled into the normal indexes.
No they aren't. They will be available in separate indexes hopefully by the end of June. And we all know how good FW are with getting stuff out on time, don't we.
Huh? They are - the Imperium/Chaos books are preorder for launch, and the other armies have their FW stuff rolled into the normal indexes.
No. First chaos/imperium, rest on separate books end of june. Guess they were tad too late to get all on release.
They couldn't resist to make money, i hoped they will do the same as for gw products, 5 books for everything but no. And every book will be like 50 euros yeah.
I am hype!!!
Now to figure out whether to get a separate box of nurgle terminators+zombies+rule book, or the starter set + separate box of terminators.
So many options, so little money!
Automatically Appended Next Post: And a book on release featuring DG + UM. What a time to be a Death Guard fan boy!
HURRY UP JUNE 17TH!
Do people not understand how these indexes work? They're just exactly the same as the grand alliance battle tomes. When they release a codex, all the rules will be in there. Its just if you dont want to download 15 pdfs before the codexes release.
Thebiggesthat wrote: It's been confirmed that certain wargear access won't be faction specific then? That's cool, chuck up a link then, it will be genuinely the first think I haven't liked from the new ed.
Care to give example what wargear you are talking about? But looks like it works like this:
You take 1-n detachments. All models inside detachment need to share faction keyword. At most shallow that's "imperium" so you could literally have any imperial unit.
Now if you refer to faction specific wargear like dark angel standard pretty obvious option to take that is only on model that has faction keyword "dark angel". But you can still take that on detachment where all share keyword "imperium"
Now will there be some specific bonuses if you take detachment with keyword "dark angel" on all? Not known, quite likely.
Then since you can take more than one detachment second detachment can be all different. Maybe all are IG and you get IG specific bonuses for that detachment? Or even go for combined eldar force or specialized biel-tan force.
How the units between 2 detachment works out we don't know. Presumably there's some sort of ally level like 7th ed.
So for my assumptions, I'll be using the way AoS sets things up. This, in my opinion, is a fairly safe assumption when you look at the development of AoS and what has made it into 40k.
You have a overarching faction of 'IMPERIUM'. This will contain some wargear, abilities, cool stuffs that are accessible for anyone with that keyword.
In a specific codex, you will have a specific faction keyword. Lets go 'BLOOD ANGEL'. if the entire faction has this keyword, you can select from the 'BLOOD ANGEL' wargear/standards/armour.
This is exactly how AoS works. If you want the cool shield that gives -2 to all shooting, you need to stay in faction 'STORMCAST'. You can go 'ORDER' but then you get the slightly worse list.
You are conveniently saying 'well we don't know allies rules' as making any reasonable assumption based on the other GW product would invalidate your position somewhat.
Huh? They are - the Imperium/Chaos books are preorder for launch, and the other armies have their FW stuff rolled into the normal indexes.
No. First chaos/imperium, rest on separate books end of june. Guess they were tad too late to get all on release.
They couldn't resist to make money, i hoped they will do the same as for gw products, 5 books for everything but no. And every book will be like 50 euros yeah.
Sounds like it to me. I've only got one model that needs forgeworld rules. No way am I going to pay £50 just to use that. It currently has free PDF rules on the FW website, but those will be obsolete come the 17th.
Looks like my Deredeo will be shelved until I can find a pirate copy of the new IA book.
Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....
I like all of the Primaris Marines. Going to see if I can go halfsies with someone from the local group. I am going to need to cut the heads off the helmetless Marines and put the helmets attached to their waists on their heads. Shouldn't be too hard.
I actually like the Inceptor Squads. Their legs look weird because they have platforms that they are standing on. My Blood Angels will like them. I am thinking my Crimson Fists and Blood Angels will each get a Captain and Intercessor Squad, Blood Angels will get the Inceptors, Crimson Fists will get the Hellblaizers, and Crimson Fists will get the Gravis(seriously, though, Gravis looks like gravid, which means pregnant, and his gut sticks out...) dude and Banner Bearer.
They haven't said the unit rules will be free online, so as per their latest info they're not optional. The Rulebook is as the rules are free. They haven't said unit rules are free. In fact they've repeated 'cheap books available on launch with unit rules in'z
MarkNorfolk wrote: Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....
What's reasonable to GW and FW isn't always reasonable for most people.
Still sad that it appears that Terrminators are a thing of the past for Loyalists, Gravis really doesn't have the same feel to it as Terminator :(
Hopefully they call it Gravis Terminator armour.
Don Savik wrote: Do people not understand how these indexes work? They're just exactly the same as the grand alliance battle tomes. When they release a codex, all the rules will be in there. Its just if you dont want to download 15 pdfs before the codexes release.
completely. optional.
Assuming you don't want matched play points. Those are on paid books. Not for free.
Of course you COULD wait for codex for your specific army but...That's a long wait for some armies.
Huh? They are - the Imperium/Chaos books are preorder for launch, and the other armies have their FW stuff rolled into the normal indexes.
No they aren't. They will be available in separate indexes hopefully by the end of June. And we all know how good FW are with getting stuff out on time, don't we.
Yep, a bit disappointed. Hopefully they get them out by the end of June. Need my hierodule rules.
MarkNorfolk wrote: Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....
What's reasonable to GW and FW isn't always reasonable for most people.
Well, if we go by the AoS Grand Alliance books (because they are likely very similiar), we're looking at a 12-24€ price bracket, which isn't too bad.
So for my assumptions, I'll be using the way AoS sets things up. This, in my opinion, is a fairly safe assumption when you look at the development of AoS and what has made it into 40k.
You have a overarching faction of 'IMPERIUM'. This will contain some wargear, abilities, cool stuffs that are accessible for anyone with that keyword.
In a specific codex, you will have a specific faction keyword. Lets go 'BLOOD ANGEL'. if the entire faction has this keyword, you can select from the 'BLOOD ANGEL' wargear/standards/armour.
This is exactly how AoS works. If you want the cool shield that gives -2 to all shooting, you need to stay in faction 'STORMCAST'. You can go 'ORDER' but then you get the slightly worse list.
You are conveniently saying 'well we don't know allies rules' as making any reasonable assumption based on the other GW product would invalidate your position somewhat.
Well we know 40k will be detachment based and you can have multiple detachments. Therefore you can have all-blood angel detachment and all-dark angel detachment.
This differs from AOS where you have just army. 40k you can have multiple armies.
Well, I'm a bit confused of all the releases GW is planning to make.
Free rules, rule book, codices. All released in a short time frame?
All reasonably priced?
MarkNorfolk wrote: Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....
What's reasonable to GW and FW isn't always reasonable for most people.
Well, if we go by the AoS Grand Alliance books (because they are likely very similiar), we're looking at a 12-24€ price bracket, which isn't too bad.
Why would they go the route of grand alliance books like AoS, but not free datasheets? That would literally cause a massive uproar in the community and everyone would be PISSED. Say what you want about the 'new GW'-meme but I don't think they're that stupid.
New 40k 17th June,Pre-orders 3rd June!
· 2x Intercessors Squad with rifles
· 1x Hellblasters Squad with plasma guns
· 1x Inceptors squad with twin assault bolters
· Primaris Lieutenant with power sword
· Primaris Lieutenant with auto-bolt rifle
· Primaris Ancient
· Captain in Gravis armour
· Plague Marine Squad
· Foetid Bloat Drone
· Poxwalkers squad
· Lord of Contagion
· Noxious Blightbringer
· Malignant Plaguecaster
A 24-page Death Guard book
· A 24 page Primaris book
· 8 page Core Rules Booklet (A handy in game reference)
· A colour assembly guide fkr all the miniatures
· Gaming accessories, such as 12 red D6 dice, a 12” range rules, decal sheet for the Primaris Space Marines, including iconography for Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves.
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MarkNorfolk wrote: Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....
What's reasonable to GW and FW isn't always reasonable for most people.
Well, if we go by the AoS Grand Alliance books (because they are likely very similiar), we're looking at a 12-24€ price bracket, which isn't too bad.
Why would they go the route of grand alliance books like AoS, but not free datasheets? That would literally cause a massive uproar in the community and everyone would be PISSED. Say what you want about the 'new GW'-meme but I don't think they're that stupid.
If people do get pissed, they got told ages ago they'd have to buy books, so shouldn't get surprised. I'm working the other way round: happy for free rules, resigned to paying for army books.
DiscoKing wrote: New 40k 17th June,Pre-orders 3rd June!
· 2x Intercessors Squad with rifles
· 1x Hellblasters Squad with plasma guns
· 1x Inceptors squad with twin assault bolters
· Primaris Lieutenant with power sword
· Primaris Lieutenant with auto-bolt rifle
· Primaris Ancient
· Captain in Gravis armour
· Plague Marine Squad
· Foetid Bloat Drone
· Poxwalkers squad
· Lord of Contagion
· Noxious Blightbringer
· Malignant Plaguecaster
A 24-page Death Guard book
· A 24 page Primaris book
· 8 page Core Rules Booklet (A handy in game reference)
· A colour assembly guide fkr all the miniatures
· Gaming accessories, such as 12 red D6 dice, a 12” range rules, decal sheet for the Primaris Space Marines, including iconography for Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves.
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Nice. Is this the starter set they were talking about?
MarkNorfolk wrote: Hmm. As far as I'm aware, the stats for models are NOT available as free pdfs (as the old Warhammer Armies conversions were). Until new codices are printed these books are it. The are going to be reasonably priced though....
What's reasonable to GW and FW isn't always reasonable for most people.
Well, if we go by the AoS Grand Alliance books (because they are likely very similiar), we're looking at a 12-24€ price bracket, which isn't too bad.
Why would they go the route of grand alliance books like AoS, but not free datasheets? That would literally cause a massive uproar in the community and everyone would be PISSED. Say what you want about the 'new GW'-meme but I don't think they're that stupid.
Maybe the Grand Alliance books didn't work out and no one bought them?
Now they're trying the other way.
Thebiggesthat wrote: It's been confirmed that certain wargear access won't be faction specific then? That's cool, chuck up a link then, it will be genuinely the first think I haven't liked from the new ed.
Care to give example what wargear you are talking about? But looks like it works like this:
You take 1-n detachments. All models inside detachment need to share faction keyword. At most shallow that's "imperium" so you could literally have any imperial unit.
Now if you refer to faction specific wargear like dark angel standard pretty obvious option to take that is only on model that has faction keyword "dark angel". But you can still take that on detachment where all share keyword "imperium"
Now will there be some specific bonuses if you take detachment with keyword "dark angel" on all? Not known, quite likely.
Then since you can take more than one detachment second detachment can be all different. Maybe all are IG and you get IG specific bonuses for that detachment? Or even go for combined eldar force or specialized biel-tan force.
How the units between 2 detachment works out we don't know. Presumably there's some sort of ally level like 7th ed.
So for my assumptions, I'll be using the way AoS sets things up. This, in my opinion, is a fairly safe assumption when you look at the development of AoS and what has made it into 40k.
You have a overarching faction of 'IMPERIUM'. This will contain some wargear, abilities, cool stuffs that are accessible for anyone with that keyword.
In a specific codex, you will have a specific faction keyword. Lets go 'BLOOD ANGEL'. if the entire faction has this keyword, you can select from the 'BLOOD ANGEL' wargear/standards/armour.
This is exactly how AoS works. If you want the cool shield that gives -2 to all shooting, you need to stay in faction 'STORMCAST'. You can go 'ORDER' but then you get the slightly worse list.
You are conveniently saying 'well we don't know allies rules' as making any reasonable assumption based on the other GW product would invalidate your position somewhat.
The original question was about allies and whether GW were getting rid of them. They're not, they're going the other way. I never said how effective a high level faction FoC would be or what rules it would have access to, but it will be very much normal. As will 2/3 FoC's in the same army each with lower level faction keywords (and potentially bonuses from those). Still, very much Allies +++
Garion wrote: Starter set retail price is 125€. Confirmed by an online shop
ouch thats gonna be a little costly. guess I'm eating Ramen for June
No I think its reasonably priced.
I have enough grey (unpainted) Marines from the recent starter sets. So I will skip it and concentrate on the armies I have.
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
I just wonder how fast the new fiddly bits like the dice are going to sell out . Everything looks pretty great though, not a fan of the assault marines pose, looks like they are floating, like the kharadron dudes instead of jumping.
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
Assuming the Dark Imperium box is £100, then we can see the rulebook at £36? Not bad, and the individual Index books are £16. I like those prices, it's like 2005 all over again.
Wow. Those Primaris Assailverators are really silly. Chubby jump packs and skates/snow shoes? Really?
I really quite like all the new models except the asstasticators...asscrapators....a..... crappy flying guys. Even the not termie. Even though I agree his midsection armor looks a bit off.
Bah they are inception marines. Even the name isn't funny as whatever that other word is.
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
Assuming the quoted euro prices are true the starter is £95, $150 US, the rulebook is £35, $60 and the index books are £15, $25. (based on equivalently priced products)
Including the full hardback rulebook in the starter set makes it a very attractive package.
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
I've just had a look at the starter set and I'm entirely disappointed. I've always bought the starter set, from Battle for Macragge to Dark Vengence, but the new kits look rediculous. The Death Guard are okay but the Primaris Marine kits are rediculously bad designs. I am entirely okay with them being in the game but I was hoping they'd be a unit or two in the starter kit, with th rest being regular Marines.
Quite frankly the models are hideous. The Captain and Jump troops especially. I also hate their overall design, not in terms of how they look but what they are. Its as if GW sat down to discuss the Primaris design strategy and it went like this
"Ok, so what do the fans want?"
"Well, they loved those Mk4 Marines a lot"
"Good! What else?"
"Mk 8 was popular on the Deathwatch squad"
"Excellent!"
"They keep asking for truscale with Imperial Guard as well, should we shrink the human models?"
"Nah fam I got this"
Anyway rant over. Disappointed with the direction they are taking this.
Deadshot wrote: I've just had a look at the starter set and I'm entirely disappointed. I've always bought the starter set, from Battle for Macragge to Dark Vengence, but the new kits look rediculous. The Death Guard are okay but the Primaris Marine kits are rediculously bad designs. I am entirely okay with them being in the game but I was hoping they'd be a unit or two in the starter kit, with th rest being regular Marines.
Quite frankly the models are hideous. The Captain and Jump troops especially. I also hate their overall design, not in terms of how they look but what they are. Its as if GW sat down to discuss the Primaris design strategy and it went like this
"Ok, so what do the fans want?"
"Well, they loved those Mk4 Marines a lot"
"Good! What else?"
"Mk 8 was popular on the Deathwatch squad"
"Excellent!"
"They keep asking for truscale with Imperial Guard as well, should we shrink the human models?"
"Nah fam I got this"
Anyway rant over. Disappointed with the direction they are taking this.
Deadshot wrote: I've just had a look at the starter set and I'm entirely disappointed. I've always bought the starter set, from Battle for Macragge to Dark Vengence, but the new kits look rediculous. The Death Guard are okay but the Primaris Marine kits are rediculously bad designs. I am entirely okay with them being in the game but I was hoping they'd be a unit or two in the starter kit, with th rest being regular Marines.
Quite frankly the models are hideous. The Captain and Jump troops especially. I also hate their overall design, not in terms of how they look but what they are. Its as if GW sat down to discuss the Primaris design strategy and it went like this
"Ok, so what do the fans want?"
"Well, they loved those Mk4 Marines a lot"
"Good! What else?"
"Mk 8 was popular on the Deathwatch squad"
"Excellent!"
"They keep asking for truscale with Imperial Guard as well, should we shrink the human models?"
"Nah fam I got this"
Anyway rant over. Disappointed with the direction they are taking this.
I have no doubt this is how it went.
All the (maybe) terrible fluff aside, I like them a lot. Jump Pack Marines look strange, but hey, the rest is awesome.
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
The Warhammer 40k bood is the rule book?
And the index books are the books of the factions containing the pt values?
280 page Warhammer 40.000 book include the free core rules, 3 ways to play guidelines (open, narrative and matched), advanced rules to play games of Cities of Death, Planetstrike, Stronghold Assault and Death from the Skies. And over 100 pages of new lore and background.
Index books provide rules for every single Warhammer 40,000 Citadel Miniature we sell.
index Imperium I: Space Marines, Blood angels, Dark angels, Space Wolves, Grey knights, Deadwatch, Legion of the damned.
Index Imperium II: Astra militarum, Adeptus Mechanicus, Imperial Knights, Imperial Agents, Talons of the emperor.
Index Chaos: Heretic astartes, Chaos daemons, Questor traitoris
Index xenos I: Craftworld, Drukhari, Harlequin, Ynnari, Necrons.
Index Xenos II: Orks, Tau empire, Tyranids, genestealer cult.
Loving this set. I have an Alpha Legion/Thousand Sons army and I'll happily drop the Death Guard marines into that, but I'll be keeping the cultist mutants for conversions, and I'll possibly use the drone for something creative too.
The Primaris Marines are excellent, though. This is a slow retcon of the out-of-scale models, and they've managed to handle it with an in-universe story. But for those of us with established armies already (which is a huge number of people) they can also be "dropped in" as specialist units too. Over time, we'll replace our collections, obviously, but giving people the option rather than simply replacing the range is a smart, smart move by GW, regardless of what some predictably negative people might be saying.
So they're going to be dropped into my existing Iron Hands force (as is my slow-moving conversion of Robo-Guilliman), with a few choice bionics here and there.
Biggest draw for me is the fact that it comes with the FULL 280 page rulebook, if I'm understanding the community page? That's really something. If the Blight Drone ends up being the only superfluous item in this box then that makes it one of the better starter boxes in ages to me.
Deadshot wrote: I've just had a look at the starter set and I'm entirely disappointed. I've always bought the starter set, from Battle for Macragge to Dark Vengence, but the new kits look rediculous. The Death Guard are okay but the Primaris Marine kits are rediculously bad designs. I am entirely okay with them being in the game but I was hoping they'd be a unit or two in the starter kit, with th rest being regular Marines.
Quite frankly the models are hideous. The Captain and Jump troops especially. I also hate their overall design, not in terms of how they look but what they are. Its as if GW sat down to discuss the Primaris design strategy and it went like this
"Ok, so what do the fans want?"
"Well, they loved those Mk4 Marines a lot"
"Good! What else?"
"Mk 8 was popular on the Deathwatch squad"
"Excellent!"
"They keep asking for truscale with Imperial Guard as well, should we shrink the human models?"
"Nah fam I got this"
Anyway rant over. Disappointed with the direction they are taking this.
So... they did everything the customers wanted?
Missed my point. People (not me, I like Marine models as is) asked for more Mk 4 (which we got), more Mk8 (which we got in Tactical Squad, Sternguard Squad and Deathwatch Vets) and Truescale. Primaris are all three chucked into a blender and hoping for the best and they, look, hideous.
Rules for the extensive Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range will be made available in a series of Index books.
The first two of these will be available alongside the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, available to pre-order on the 3rd of June. These first two books will cover the forces of the Adeptus Astartes and their traitorous kin.
Head over to the Warhammer Community site for more details on the rest of the Forge World range.'
Much like Citadel Miniatures, rules for the extensive Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range will be made available in a series of Index books. The first two of these will be available alongside the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, available to pre-order on the 3rd of June. These first two books will cover the forces of the Adeptus Astartes and their traitorous kin.
woo hoo my chaos fire raptor and fellblade wont just gather dust for a year
PossumCraft wrote: Problem is to people who don't have or want space maureens, it is an entirely superfluous box.
Well that's always case with starter sets. Don't want marines or chaos? Dark vengeance useless. Marines and orks? 5th ed was useless.
Marines is given so if you don't want those half the box is always useless. If you don't want 2nd half which varies you don't need it either. Then just get separate rulebook. Or if you want rest of stuff buy box and sell both set of models.
I'm debating do I want to pay for the death guard or not. There's lots of sons of horus I would also want like drop pods etc.
PossumCraft wrote: Blargh, Space Maureens and slighty different Space Maureens make for a no buy on the boxed set.
Guess I get to eat real food and buy wine for June
Well don't be too happy. You still have rulebook and faction book to buy. That or stick to older edition.
I was of the impression the rules were going to be free?
The core rules yes, which are about 12 pages long will be downloadable from the website. They've also said those same 12 pages will probably get reprinted in every book as well. At no point have they ever said army rules will be free.
PossumCraft wrote: Blargh, Space Maureens and slighty different Space Maureens make for a no buy on the boxed set.
Guess I get to eat real food and buy wine for June
Well don't be too happy. You still have rulebook and faction book to buy. That or stick to older edition.
I was of the impression the rules were going to be free?
The core rules yes, which are about 12 pages long will be downloadable from the website. They've also said those same 12 pages will probably get reprinted in every book as well. At no point have they ever said army rules will be free.
And I suspect that 12 page will lack also strongholds etc. Maybe even detachments(or those are going to be hefty piece of 12 pages...Like at least third).
since I play mostly cityfight I need at least those rules.
Well, I think we will see a nice bunch of Marines in the starter set. This is worth buying even for non-Marine players. Same went for the AoS Blood Warriors and whatnot.
wuestenfux wrote: Well, I think we will see a nice bunch of Marines in the starter set. This is worth buying even for non-Marine players. Same went for the AoS Blood Warriors and whatnot.
What non-marine players get? At most they can sell them for money. Or you could just get pieces you want from ebay.
I really don't see the issue with the assault marines. It looks like there has been more thought with how a jet pack user would need to augment his gear.
Instead of 'lets just slap a jet pack on him'
We have cowling to protect from sudden movement backwards, and heat potentially, and a wider footprint for landing stability. Plus the hood doubles as a more stable mounting area.
wuestenfux wrote: Well, I think we will see a nice bunch of Marines in the starter set. This is worth buying even for non-Marine players. Same went for the AoS Blood Warriors and whatnot.
What non-marine players get? At most they can sell them for money. Or you could just get pieces you want from ebay.
Depends on how much money you can get for selling both the armies compared to the price of the rule book I guess...
Whoa! I love the Primaris marines! The jump marines are weird, but not in a bad way. I like how they're not just normal dudes with jump packs. The only thing I don't like, is the captain (seems to be common opinion), I hope that the Primaris captains will have a rule option to wear a normal armour, so I can base my captain on the sword lieutenant.
The Nurgle stuff looks great too. If I were not so hyped about the Primaris, I might be tempted to start a Nurgle army.
Weeeell, I wasn't planning on getting the starter set but now I might just have to dive into it! I mean I need two of the faction books anyway so I might as well get the starter as well right?.......Right?
perplexiti wrote: Weeeell, I wasn't planning on getting the starter set but now I might just have to dive into it! I mean I need two of the faction books anyway so I might as well get the starter as well right?.......Right?
I can't figure out if the Death Guard/UM books in the starter set are full codices or just rules for the models in the box? Maybe I am just tired.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I imagine just rules for models in the box
I guess we will get an impression of the rule set for free.
Exactly. It's still all about acquisition. With 5 armies I'm up for 4 indices in addition to the BRB if I want to play proper 8th instead of timmy rules. Based on early pricing indications, that's roughly $13,000 AUD. I thought we were supposed to get "free rules".
I'm so fething pissed about this that even though I'd love the BRB for the lore, and the marines for my Angries, and the chaos marines for scenic bases, I'm on the verge of a protest refusal. Again, just like 7th.
I guess we will get an impression of the rule set for free.
Exactly. It's still all about acquisition. With 5 armies I'm up for 4 indices in addition to the BRB if I want to play proper 8th instead of timmy rules. Based on early pricing indications, that's roughly $13,000 AUD. I thought we was supposed to get "free rules".
We will be getting free rules. If these aren't enough to give you the experience you desire, there are paid options available.
perplexiti wrote: Weeeell, I wasn't planning on getting the starter set but now I might just have to dive into it! I mean I need two of the faction books anyway so I might as well get the starter as well right?.......Right?
I can't figure out if the Death Guard/UM books in the starter set are full codices or just rules for the models in the box? Maybe I am just tired.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I imagine just rules for models in the box
Rules for the models in the box. Then, when Plague Termis and Primaris Devastators etc. get released they'll do full Faction Books for each force.
I guess we will get an impression of the rule set for free.
Exactly. It's still all about acquisition. With 5 armies I'm up for 4 indices in addition to the BRB if I want to play proper 8th instead of timmy rules. Based on early pricing indications, that's roughly $13,000 AUD. I thought we was supposed to get "free rules".
I'm so fething pissed about this that even though I'd love the BRB for the lore, and the marines for my Angries, and the chaos marines for scenic bases, I'm on the verge of a protest refusal. Again, just like 7th.
Where did it say free rules? If that was a rumour, why did you put stock in it? This is GW, you'll get basic rules from free but they're a business. Also, you don't need to buy all the Codexes in one go, you can spread it out over a few months. Month 1, Space Marines, Month 2, Necrons, Month 3, Chaos, Month 4 Tyranids. Pick which you want to play with first and buy that.
Also, I REALLLLYYY don't believe its $13,000. That's like £7000 in the UK. Unless each Codex/Index and the BRB cost £1300 EACH. Maybe you meant to write $1300 (£700?)
So which index book has all the terrain minatures?
Also I foresee lots of saltiness with the FW books as in "why doesn't my old model have rules and that one does" followed by "this models rules is awesome and OOP"
Thebiggesthat wrote: We will be getting free rules. If these aren't enough to give you the experience you desire, there are paid options available.
The pre-release hype was deceptive. I'm entitled to be pissed about that. They were so close.
We already get free rules. In the last 2 weeks I've bought a Tactical Squad, Vanguard Vets and Deathwatch Vets, they had the datasheet in the instruction booklet, but you still need the BRB and codex to play. WHY would you ever think this was going to change? GW didn't suggest this, and rumours said a freebie 12 page, "BRB Lite" with the basic rules of the game. Nothing about the Pay To Play system changing.
I love everything in this box. All the miniatures are fantastic, and even the filthy Death Guard have me interested! I was planning on getting the box just for the Marines, but now I might just have to start a small Warband of Plague Marines as well..
We are looking at three looooooooooong weeks ahead of us folks. Strap in.
I guess we will get an impression of the rule set for free.
Exactly. It's still all about acquisition. With 5 armies I'm up for 4 indices in addition to the BRB if I want to play proper 8th instead of timmy rules. Based on early pricing indications, that's roughly $13,000 AUD. I thought we was supposed to get "free rules".
I'm so fething pissed about this that even though I'd love the BRB for the lore, and the marines for my Angries, and the chaos marines for scenic bases, I'm on the verge of a protest refusal. Again, just like 7th.
Where did it say free rules? If that was a rumour, why did you put stock in it? This is GW, you'll get basic rules from free but they're a business. Also, you don't need to buy all the Codexes in one go, you can spread it out over a few months. Month 1, Space Marines, Month 2, Necrons, Month 3, Chaos, Month 4 Tyranids. Pick which you want to play with first and buy that.
Also, I REALLLLYYY don't believe its $13,000. That's like £7000 in the UK. Unless each Codex/Index and the BRB cost £1300 EACH. Maybe you meant to write $1300 (£700?)
It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.
And as ever people will misinterpret almost wilfully. 100% free rules were never going to be a thing and were never promised.
gungo wrote: So which index book has all the terrain minatures?
Also I foresee lots of saltiness with the FW books as in "why doesn't my old model have rules and that one does" followed by "this models rules is awesome and OOP"
Terrain might be in main rule book.
Also your foresight sounds like it will be spot on, especially if my Plague Hulk doesn't get rules
Where did it say free rules? If that was a rumour, why did you put stock in it? This is GW, you'll get basic rules from free but they're a business. Also, you don't need to buy all the Codexes in one go, you can spread it out over a few months. Month 1, Space Marines, Month 2, Necrons, Month 3, Chaos, Month 4 Tyranids. Pick which you want to play with first and buy that.
I'm well aware they're a business, I'm a shareholder and I've been supporting it financially for 28 years. Fact is I can't play proper 8th on release day with my expensive armies without a massive financial investment in rules. That is not what their marketing led us to believe, as we were led to believe it would work like AoS which has free warscrolls for every mini they make.
Also, I REALLLLYYY don't believe its $13,000. That's like £7000 in the UK. Unless each Codex/Index and the BRB cost £1300 EACH. Maybe you meant to write $1300 (£700?)
PossumCraft wrote: Problem is to people who don't have or want space maureens, it is an entirely superfluous box.
Well that's always case with starter sets. Don't want marines or chaos? Dark vengeance useless. Marines and orks? 5th ed was useless.
Marines is given so if you don't want those half the box is always useless. If you don't want 2nd half which varies you don't need it either. Then just get separate rulebook. Or if you want rest of stuff buy box and sell both set of models.
I'm debating do I want to pay for the death guard or not. There's lots of sons of horus I would also want like drop pods etc.
But if its two complete separate factions you have different appeal. Making the starter box marines or slightly different marines is daft.
Marines or Orks? completely different sides of the battle. Marines in Chaos marines? Might as well say you have the entire spectrum, but we'll give the rules with red and orange,
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
I guess there are 5 index books.
So the June/July will be become expensive.
I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
I believe you are correct.
The core rules are free. Points for matched play are not, as is extra rules for factions etc.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
You mean lowering prices without making them free. Because these books are a heck of a lot cheaper than the codices we have now, and it looks like the rule book will be cheaper too.
I guess we will get an impression of the rule set for free.
Exactly. It's still all about acquisition. With 5 armies I'm up for 4 indices in addition to the BRB if I want to play proper 8th instead of timmy rules. Based on early pricing indications, that's roughly $13,000 AUD. I thought we were supposed to get "free rules".
I'm so fething pissed about this that even though I'd love the BRB for the lore, and the marines for my Angries, and the chaos marines for scenic bases, I'm on the verge of a protest refusal. Again, just like 7th.
They said main rules would be free, core rules (8pages) will be DL PDF. The rule book is expansions like city of death planet strike etc plus lore we didn't ever know/expect this was coming. Unit rules being free like AoS would have been nice but GW are a business. Personnelly I'm disappointed as it's nice to see the rules under units before you buy them like AoS but it's no deal breaker, as they said unit rules at release in a set of books at a price less than codex's. Considering the AoS releases of the generals hand book at £15 and AoS skirmish at £6 we should hope for a good price.
So box set about £100, if you don't want that I'd speculate rule/lore book at -£30 + unit rules -£15 each.
So total speculative price £75 to £200 for rules n models depending how much you want of each.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
What do you expect. After all, its a gaming company that needs to make (a lot of) money. The supplement books in the 7th ed. were a great success. Pricey, but the players bought them. I think the story will be same in the 8th ed. After the initial books already announced, we will see supplement books for the factions filled with art work, background stories, and additional rules for formations and what not.
PossumCraft wrote: So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?
Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.
For matched play. All Warscrolls or whatever will be free day one for narrative play, is my understanding.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Okay, good night everyone. I trimmed the OP of all the release date rumors, and if they release another article in 3 hours, I will update the OP again when I wake up.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
You mean lowering prices without making them free. Because these books are a heck of a lot cheaper than the codices we have now, and it looks like the rule book will be cheaper too.
To explain a typical intro to WH40k:
Go into store.
Oh, that's a cool looking model.
Buy a £20 codex to see if it actually *is cool*
Oh, you need a £60 rulebook to know what those rules mean.
Sorry spud, you need to have the other 8 £20 codexes to know if that model is good against the other models.
Not meaning to be innappropriate, but this is why people google 'x Codex pdf'
Make rules free and more people play the game. It's simple.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
Now that is absolute bs. 8th rulebook is cheaper than 7th. Each index book is waaay cheaper than 1 Codex.
Sure you can be all self entitled that they're not giving you the moon and a pony for free, but saying they're jacking up the prices too is simply wrong.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.
Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.
The arms look a bit wonky to me, which ruins the aesthetic.
But, as ever, could just be a rubbish angle in the pic?
It is mainly that the model is posed really awkwardly, the basic design of the armour is fine. Of course, this being a singlepose miniature, fixing the pose will be rather annoying.
I wish they had posed him like he is depicted int the cover art:
Now that is absolute bs. 8th rulebook is cheaper than 7th. Each index book is waaay cheaper than 1 Codex.
Sure you can be all self entitled that they're not giving you the moon and a pony for free, but saying they're jacking up the prices too is simply wrong.
Death Guard models are awful; pieces of bone sticking out everywhere and far too busy. Bigger marines are pointless. Big pass from me after mild curiosity.
They said main rules would be free, core rules (8pages) will be DL PDF. The rule book is expansions like city of death planet strike etc plus lore we didn't ever know/expect this was coming.
RAW that's not correct.
and rules. Lots of rules. All the rules you need to wage the bloodiest of wars in the far future. Alongside the core rules for the game, there are missions, full guidelines for the 3 ways to play (open, narrative and matched) and advanced rules to represent the myriad war zones of the far future, including all the rules you need to play games of Cities of Death, Planetstrike, Stronghold Assault and Death from the Skies.
Core rules are free. Alongside the core rules the BRB also gets ... full guidelines for the 3 ways to play. Ergo it seems match play rules are non-core and non-free.
PossumCraft wrote: So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?
Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.
They still haven't confirmed or denied free download unit datasheets, but it would be reeaaaally weird to release free rules that no one can use without unit stats.
Surprised they haven't clarified this on Facebook yet.
It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.
65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.
8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.
Please GW, may I have another.
So you are including the price of the indexes in the price of rules for 8th, but not all the codexes in the price for 7th?
To me the direct comparison is the 65 euro book against the 45 euro book, and the price of three to seven (!) codices (so between 78 and 182 euros!) with a 20 euros index...
It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.
65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.
8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.
Please GW, may I have another.
So your complaint is that the core rules are cheaper, but if you add in the "codex" cost for 8th edition and not for any other editions, it's more expensive? Great logic there.
PossumCraft wrote: So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?
Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.
technically rules come in the box as well so it is free. However if you have models already you need the updated rules. Which aren't free.
ERGO here's another set of rules to make our game more playable and welcoming to new players. Pay for it to play.
Not at all it's buy models get datasheets and download rules free and play straight away with just your models purchased. Want advanced rules that few people will likely play and tournament points system buy a faction book
Eyjio wrote: [So your complaint is that the core rules are cheaper, but if you add in the "codex" cost for 8th edition and not for any other editions, it's more expensive? Great logic there.
No, my complaint is that the supposedly "free rules" release of 40k would cost me over $300 on launch day just for rules. Great reading there.
It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.
65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.
8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.
Please GW, may I have another.
Your quote has less to do with gw and more to do with your countries tax. That price is doubled based on your Tax not gw pricing.
It's also a massive difference to the $13000 AUS you inititally quoted. I repeat, Thirteen Thousand. You now change that to $187. Not sure where the other $12, 813 comes from.
PossumCraft wrote: So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?
Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.
technically rules come in the box as well so it is free. However if you have models already you need the updated rules. Which aren't free.
ERGO here's another set of rules to make our game more playable and welcoming to new players. Pay for it to play.
Not at all it's buy models get datasheets and download rules free and play straight away with just your models purchased. Want advanced rules that few people will likely play and tournament points system buy a faction book
So the starter box is a preorder and we get all rules required to play the game, minus cities of death, strongholds and competitive, free? Where's this written?
I like the look of the Primaris but the one thing getting me on the Advance Order sites, just in case they are a limited release, is the Sector Imperialis Objectives set.
I can't decide whether I like the containment tank or what looks like a bomb the best.
Eyjio wrote: [So your complaint is that the core rules are cheaper, but if you add in the "codex" cost for 8th edition and not for any other editions, it's more expensive? Great logic there.
No, my complaint is that the supposedly "free rules" release of 40k would cost me over $300 on launch day just for rules. Great reading there.
You're complaint is invalid, as you neither have to get all the rules on day one or get the paid rules. There are free rules on day one. Those are the core rules of the game. Matched Play and Advanced Rules are extra. Its no different to PS+ or Xbox Live subscriptions to play online games. You can still play the game on your console without, but its not Matched Play.
It's also not $300, its $187 as you calculated, plus your tax, which is neither under GW's control nor their problem. They also have no obligation to give you free anything.
So you are upset that something they never promised or said would happen didnt happen?
They also make the core rules required to play the game at the entry level free but for everything else they offer it combined for way WAY cheaper than in the past? Dont even need it to play, all you need is the core 12 page rule book and one 30ish dollar index to play the core game.
Seems like a much cheaper entry point to me than in the past.
Also, I like the idea of dedicated shooting jump marines instead of just being 100% focused on assault.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.
Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.
except it's NOT a money crab, the indexes are cheaper then the codices. the index books are about 20 euros. well let's look at the price of a codex now, about 40 euros. so the codices are HALF the price they used to be, and you get waaaay more for the price. you can get every codex in the game for 8th for about 100 euros. meanwhile to get that every codex for 40k you're looking at..800 euros.
So, I have a silly question. With online sales being a big thing in the modern day. Wouldn't it be cheaper for the Australian/New Zealand buyer to simply order the box set/rules off ebay/an online US seller? And then have it shipped to them in their country.
Deadshot wrote: It's also a massive difference to the $13000 AUS you inititally quoted. I repeat, Thirteen Thousand. You now change that to $187. Not sure where the other $12, 813 comes from.
If you didn't immediately realise that was deliberately comically overexaggerated I'm not sure I can help you.
Where did it say free rules? If that was a rumour, why did you put stock in it? This is GW, you'll get basic rules from free but they're a business. Also, you don't need to buy all the Codexes in one go, you can spread it out over a few months. Month 1, Space Marines, Month 2, Necrons, Month 3, Chaos, Month 4 Tyranids. Pick which you want to play with first and buy that.
I'm well aware they're a business, I'm a shareholder and I've been supporting it financially for 28 years. Fact is I can't play proper 8th on release day with my expensive armies without a massive financial investment in rules. That is not what their marketing led us to believe, as we were led to believe it would work like AoS which has free warscrolls for every mini they make.
Also, I REALLLLYYY don't believe its $13,000. That's like £7000 in the UK. Unless each Codex/Index and the BRB cost £1300 EACH. Maybe you meant to write $1300 (£700?)
Australia Tax is frightening isn't it?
I'm intrigued where these numbers come from I just put 5 codex space marines(hugely more that the cheapest codexest which are 3rd the price) and the 7th edition triple rule book(again available as a cheaper version too) into a basket and got Aus$590 in the uk basket that's £225. (It's fair to say aus tax is high as yes £225 = aus$389, but not 13000...) Anyways it's meaningless as the new books will be no where near the price of the old rule books.
It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.
65 EUR is $97.40 today 7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.
8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.
Please GW, may I have another.
It's not that bad dude. Price brackets are a thing, and by GW's price brackets it'll cost you $250. It isn't a number I just pulled out of my unlike yours.
For reference it'll be $90AUD for the rulebook and ~$40 for each index.
A hell of a lot better than $140 and $83
And that's with out the inevitable 10-20% discounts you'll be able to get by preordering from independents.
Youn wrote: So, I have a silly question. With online sales being a big thing in the modern day. Wouldn't it be cheaper for the Australian/New Zealand buyer to simply order the box set/rules off ebay/an online US seller? And then have it shipped to them in their country.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
welcome to Games Wankshop.
No. It breaches reseller rules to do so.
US, UK, EU resellers are PROHIBITED from selling outside their territories.
Deadshot wrote: It's also a massive difference to the $13000 AUS you inititally quoted. I repeat, Thirteen Thousand. You now change that to $187. Not sure where the other $12, 813 comes from.
If you didn't immediately realise that was deliberately comically overexaggerated I'm not sure I can help you.
No, I didn't because Aussie prices are always rediculous. But that was unnecessary. If you were serious and the rules total was LITERALLY going to cost 13K, that's a different matter. You might as well have said "OMG it costs a bazillion dollars!"
In which case I'd have given the same response of: Don't need everything Day 1, Don't Need to buy anything, You have 4 armies, Why do you feel entitled to free stuff?
PossumCraft wrote: So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?
Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.
They still haven't confirmed or denied free download unit datasheets, but it would be reeaaaally weird to release free rules that no one can use without unit stats.
Similar to WMH. The rule books for WM and Hordes are free, but to play a unit/model you need the stats given by buying the unit/model or the faction deck (hard copy or digital).
Deadshot wrote: It's also a massive difference to the $13000 AUS you inititally quoted. I repeat, Thirteen Thousand. You now change that to $187. Not sure where the other $12, 813 comes from.
If you didn't immediately realise that was deliberately comically overexaggerated I'm not sure I can help you.
If by that you meant facetious -then yes that's why you got called out.
New minis - New Marines are ok - i have so many marines that this generates no interest.
Death Guard - nice models - and I do like the drone - or soem reason don;t lke the Plaguecaster...the cultists all look jolly fellows though
No mini soft back book in the boxed set????? Major fail
No data cards either - sad.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.
Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.
5 books covering all armies at release has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.
Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?
PossumCraft wrote: So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?
Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.
technically rules come in the box as well so it is free. However if you have models already you need the updated rules. Which aren't free.
ERGO here's another set of rules to make our game more playable and welcoming to new players. Pay for it to play.
Not at all it's buy models get datasheets and download rules free and play straight away with just your models purchased. Want advanced rules that few people will likely play and tournament points system buy a faction book
So the starter box is a preorder and we get all rules required to play the game, minus cities of death, strongholds and competitive, free? Where's this written?
Well if you bought the starter box you get a rule book and the models faction sheets. So yes all rules to play. If you buy als carts later the models all come with datasheets and core rules are free.
And where is that written? Right on gw preorder page!!!!
"and rules. Lots of rules. All the rules you need to wage the bloodiest of wars in the far future. Alongside the core rules for the game, there are missions, full guidelines for the 3 ways to play (open, narrative and matched) and advanced rules to represent the myriad war zones of the far future, including all the rules you need to play games of Cities of Death, Planetstrike, Stronghold Assault and Death from the Skies."
Looking at e-bay right now at Dark Vengeance box sets. It appears they do ship to New Zealand and Australia. Though the $93.00 box set does charge like $36.60 in shipping.
Just saying.
I would guess you will see new box sets go up on sale the moment someone has them in their hands.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.
Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.
5 books covering all armies at release has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.
Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?
Where was this mention of 5 books being known? I've been following the warhammer community page, never seen that?
As for prices increasing to 'reflect interest' what the actual heck? Nobody EVER increases prices to try and improve interest...
Interest falling? New products, better image, lower prices. Thats.... thats just such basic marketing that it hurts to even think otherwise
Youn wrote: Looking at e-bay right now at Dark Vengeance box sets. It appears they do ship to New Zealand and Australia. Though the $93.00 box set does charge like $36.60 in shipping.
Just saying.
Ebay is the distributor so if I'm not mistaken isn't bound by GW's border patrol rules. They don't actually sell anything as a company so selling through Ebay as a "second hand reseller site" would circumvent.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.
Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.
5 books covering all armies at release has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.
Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?
Where was this mention of 5 books being known? I've been following the warhammer community page, never seen that?
As for prices increasing to 'reflect interest' what the actual heck? Nobody EVER increases prices to try and improve interest...
Interest falling? New products, better image, lower prices. Thats.... thats just such basic marketing that it hurts to even think otherwise
Deadshot wrote: It's also a massive difference to the $13000 AUS you inititally quoted. I repeat, Thirteen Thousand. You now change that to $187. Not sure where the other $12, 813 comes from.
If you didn't immediately realise that was deliberately comically overexaggerated I'm not sure I can help you.
I think the one that needs help is you rather than others.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.
Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.
5 books covering all armies at release has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.
Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?
Where was this mention of 5 books being known? I've been following the warhammer community page, never seen that?
Literally in the first FaQGW released when they first announced 8th.
PossumCraft wrote: So if rules for factions arent free, but all games require factions..?
Here's your game of battleship. Ships cost extra.
technically rules come in the box as well so it is free. However if you have models already you need the updated rules. Which aren't free.
ERGO here's another set of rules to make our game more playable and welcoming to new players. Pay for it to play.
Not at all it's buy models get datasheets and download rules free and play straight away with just your models purchased. Want advanced rules that few people will likely play and tournament points system buy a faction book
So the starter box is a preorder and we get all rules required to play the game, minus cities of death, strongholds and competitive, free? Where's this written?
Well if you bought the starter box you get a rule book and the models faction sheets. So yes all rules to play. If you buy als carts later the models all come with datasheets and core rules are free.
And where is that written? Right on gw preorder page!!!!
"and rules. Lots of rules. All the rules you need to wage the bloodiest of wars in the far future. Alongside the core rules for the game, there are missions, full guidelines for the 3 ways to play (open, narrative and matched) and advanced rules to represent the myriad war zones of the far future, including all the rules you need to play games of Cities of Death, Planetstrike, Stronghold Assault and Death from the Skies."
You've quoted a line with the word 'rules' without any context or relevance. Are you arguing they said they're free, said they aren't..?
What a load of tripe.
The 8th Edition BRB is cheaper than 7th.
The 8th Edition "Indices" are substantially cheaper than current codices and cover multiple factions rather than singular entries.
Prices have dropped and value has increased. You can obtain the basic 40K rules for free - isn't that exactly what was promised?
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.
Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every release costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.
5 books covering all armies at release has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.
Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?
Where was this mention of 5 books being known? I've been following the warhammer community page, never seen that?
As for prices increasing to 'reflect interest' what the actual heck? Nobody EVER increases prices to try and improve interest...
Interest falling? New products, better image, lower prices. Thats.... thats just such basic marketing that it hurts to even think otherwise
My bad, I meant inflation, not interest.
As for the 5 books, we knew about it on Dakka for a while. Not sure if they covered it on community or not.
PossumCraft wrote: I was of the impression free rules were coming out as per AoS. If not, guess it makes things very simple. Other games have free rules, GW keeps upping prices.
Index books are half the price of a Codex and cover multiple factions each. Rulebook is cheaper and has rules for Cityfight, Planetary Assault, etc.
Somehow this equates to GW upping prices?
And they only ever said the basic rules would be free. If people interpreted otherwise, that's on them.
This moneygrab of 'index books' is brand new, no mention so far.
Their upping of prices is well documented over the past years. Every costs more. Not just books but models, paints, tools.
5 books covering all armies at has been known for quite a while. They never mentioned free though.
Mantic and Warlord had price increases fairly recently. Battlefront had one a while ago. Are these also members of some evil conspiracy to gouge hobbyists? Or are they having to adjust to stay profitible and reflect interest/declining currency values?
Where was this mention of 5 books being known? I've been following the warhammer community page, never seen that?
As for prices increasing to 'reflect interest' what the actual heck? Nobody EVER increases prices to try and improve interest...
Interest falling? New products, better image, lower prices. Thats.... thats just such basic marketing that it hurts to even think otherwise
My bad, I meant inflation, not interest.
As for the 5 books, we knew about it on Dakka for a while. Not sure if they covered it on community or not.
They covered it in the FIRST FaQ. THere's been a ton of especulation about the factions layouts both on this thread and others on Dakkadakka too.
Wonder if we broke their website or if they are putting up more information on their website? Both games-workshop.com and forgeworld.co.uk are down for maintenance.
nintura wrote: Have to say, not a fan of the assault primaris guns. Those shields look ridiculous and serve no purpose given how thin the armor is.
The plague marines though. Beautiful. Specially the banner bearer.
The shield was the only thing I was struggling with from a design perspective. I thought it might be to stop any residual from the barrel going up an intake for the jump pack maybe?
And there are FaQs under the 40k section, but they're quite old (there was the Primaris one a week and a bit ago, and the other one came out almost a month ago)
It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.
65 EUR is $97.40 today
7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.
8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD
plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.
Please GW, may I have another.
It's not that bad dude.
Price brackets are a thing, and by GW's price brackets it'll cost you $250. It isn't a number I just pulled out of my unlike yours.
For reference it'll be $90AUD for the rulebook and ~$40 for each index.
A hell of a lot better than $140 and $83
And that's with out the inevitable 10-20% discounts you'll be able to get by preordering from independents.
What's the source on the $90 AUD / $40 AUD prices? Because it seems you are indeed pulling them out of your bleep, unlike my calculation which was based on the current geographical markup between products on the GW website right now.
If you're not aware of how GW gouges Australians and New Zealanders that's fine, but literally pulling numbers out of your bleep while dismissing my actually calculated numbers is really quite something to behold.
nintura wrote: Have to say, not a fan of the assault primaris guns. Those shields look ridiculous and serve no purpose given how thin the armor is.
The plague marines though. Beautiful. Specially the banner bearer.
The shield was the only thing I was struggling with from a design perspective. I thought it might be to stop any residual from the barrel going up an intake for the jump pack maybe?
The purpose looks to be so it can deflect incoming fire. I dont think it's to deflect brass since it's in front of the ejection port. And they don't use powder firing charges, but mini rockets.
It's not, with the rumour prices it's more like $250AUD.
65 EUR is $97.40 today 7ed rules: 65 EUR, $140 AUD. 69% Australia Tax.
8ed rules (45 eur) + 4 indices (80 eur) = 125 eur or $187.31 AUD plus 69% Australia Tax: $316.55 just for rules.
Please GW, may I have another.
It's not that bad dude. Price brackets are a thing, and by GW's price brackets it'll cost you $250. It isn't a number I just pulled out of my unlike yours.
For reference it'll be $90AUD for the rulebook and ~$40 for each index.
A hell of a lot better than $140 and $83
And that's with out the inevitable 10-20% discounts you'll be able to get by preordering from independents.
What's the source on the $90 AUD / $40 AUD prices? Because it seems you are indeed pulling them out of your bleep, unlike my calculation which was based on the current geographical markup between products on the GW website right now.
If you're not aware of how GW gouges Australians and New Zealanders that's fine, but literally pulling numbers out of your bleep while dismissing my actually calculated numbers is really quite something to behold.
I based it on GWs actual price brackets as I said. You know, the actual way they do their prices (and also the way everyone else is calculating their region's prices from the EU prices)? And of course I'm aware, I live in Australia. However I do get a bit annoyed when you go all doom an gloom and make it seem even worse than it is, as that causes people to just dismiss us as idiotic whiners.
Some exact info will have come from the live stream Q&A plus facebook comments on articles.
I'm missing where in there it mentions paying for 5 books of rules
2nd question?!
Can I still use all my models?
Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available from the get go in handy, low-cost books.
Alright, it doesn't mention 5 but it does say they will be for sale.
FFS. We have to a member of that soulsucking hellhole just to get basic information nowadays?
Stop the world. I'm done.
In order to engage with your community, you use a platform a great majority have easy access too.
What a shocker
Its odd, but 99.9% of warhammer players have access to games-workshop.com.
A site that's also been nothing more than a store since they spent all that money sidegrading/downgrading it.
And last I checked Warhammer-Community didn't have functionality for immediate community response.
The point of the livestream was that they answered people's questions as they got them from the viewers.
FFS. We have to a member of that soulsucking hellhole just to get basic information nowadays?
Stop the world. I'm done.
In order to engage with your community, you use a platform a great majority have easy access too.
What a shocker
Its odd, but 99.9% of warhammer players have access to games-workshop.com.
That's a shop, not a social media platform that grants you instant communication with your customer base. Unless you expected them to redesign the site from the ground up?
Can I still use all my models?
Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available from the get go in handy, low-cost books.
Alright, it doesn't mention 5 but it does say they will be for sale.
gak. I missed that part. I thought they were making the rules free to draw in new players.
FFS. We have to a member of that soulsucking hellhole just to get basic information nowadays?
Stop the world. I'm done.
In order to engage with your community, you use a platform a great majority have easy access too.
What a shocker
Its odd, but 99.9% of warhammer players have access to games-workshop.com.
That's a shop, not a social media platform that grants you instant communication with your customer base. Unless you expected them to redesign the site from the ground up?
No, just would have hoped they'd repost relevant info to their own website
Matt.Kingsley wrote: I based it on GWs actual price brackets as I said. You know, the actual way they do their prices (and also the way everyone else is calculating their region's prices from the EU prices)?
And of course I'm aware, I live in Australia. However I do get a bit annoyed when you go all doom an gloom and make it seem even worse than it is, as that causes people to just dismiss us as idiotic whiners.
How though? Because the 7ed rulesbook has been $140 AUD since it was released, and is still that on the GW site right now. Which is a 69% markup over the EUR price of the same book, and an even greater markup over the GBP price. You can't compare model brackets to book brackets, because book prices are historically way worse than models.
I like this starter set, some good models in there, a hardcover (complete) rulebook, but also everything you would need to play if you were a beginner. A nice set overall
What I found interesting when looking at the closeups of MkX was how they have upgraded the MkI-VIII formula kind of to a new level (I think they look great) but also went back in time to unused Rogue Trader rulebook art with some of its elements like those bigger ear pieces and pipes on helmets, a bulkier and heavier looking armour and the gunslinger assault marines
@ruprecht: By going to the a version of the GW store that uses the Euro as its currency (I used the Spanish site as that's where miniwars is based), found a recent item with the same price as one of the 40k 8th products, then went to the AUS store and searched for that product.
GW doesn't have a set price increase for items. If they did there'd be some even worse 'deals' on the Australian store.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: @ruprecht: By going to the a version of the GW store that uses the Euro as its currency (I used the Spanish site as that's where miniwars is based), found a recent item with the same price as one of the 40k 8th products, then went to the AUS store and searched for that product.
GW doesn't have a set price increase for items. If they did there'd be some even worse 'deals' on the Australian store.
That's probably where we diverged. If it was a model, the markup is different to books. OK problem solved, sorry if I got a bit worked up over war dollies.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: @ruprecht: By going to the a version of the GW store that uses the Euro as its currency (I used the Spanish site as that's where miniwars is based), found a recent item with the same price as one of the 40k 8th products, then went to the AUS store and searched for that product.
GW doesn't have a set price increase for items. If they did there'd be some even worse 'deals' on the Australian store.
That's probably where we diverged. If it was a model, the markup is different to books. OK problem solved, sorry if I got a bit worked up over war dollies.
Let's test this with 2 recent releases - the recent Gaunt Summoner release ($40AUD) and the softcover Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch (also $40AUD).
On the Spanish store the Gaunt Summoner is 20 Euro, and Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch is also 20 Euros.
While what you are saying might have been true in the past, it isn't true in the present.
I have to admit, I'm liking the model's style (Apart from the weird jump-packs and feet skids on the 'Interceptors), liking the more appropriate true-scale SM size (Although I think Eldar are going to need a slight boost now as they are meant to be taller and more slender than your average human - so they should sit somewhere between Guardsman and Primaris Marine), slightly worried about how Terminators will now fit into my army size-wise, and generally concerned about how GW will fluff-hammer these guys in.
Fluff-wise, it would be nice if they took them in the direction of a 1st Company only 'Promotion' - I.E, on promotion to 1st Company you get Termie Honours and a genetic boost, similar to the transition seen as scouts progressively gain more organ implantations throughout their training, culminating in the black carapace.
I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.
Let's test this with 2 recent releases - the recent Gaunt Summoner release ($40AUD) and the softcover Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch (also $40AUD).
On the Spanish store the Gaunt Summoner is 20 Euro, and Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch is also 20 Euros.
While what you are saying might have been true in the past, it isn't true in the present.
So only a 34% australia tax. Still not convinced it will carry over to premium hardback rules, but I guess we'll see. Maybe some of my bitching at GW over AU prices got through, you're welcome aussies
Weazel wrote: I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.
Good point. And it also shows that Primaris units will be supplementing current marine units. Filling gaps in battlefield roles and such
Let's test this with 2 recent releases - the recent Gaunt Summoner release ($40AUD) and the softcover Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch (also $40AUD).
On the Spanish store the Gaunt Summoner is 20 Euro, and Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch is also 20 Euros.
While what you are saying might have been true in the past, it isn't true in the present.
So only a 34% australia tax. Still not convinced it will carry over to premium hardback rules, but I guess we'll see. Maybe some of my bitching at GW over AU prices got through, you're welcome aussies
It was the same when Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch was released (not the $40AUD price tag, but the way price brackets work and there being 0 discrepancy between new models and books).
But yes, we'll see. Maybe GW will buck the trend for the first time in a while and ignore the price bracket system completely. I doubt it, but you can't ever be 100% certain .
Also don't think of it as a formula, it fluctuates between brackets.
Plague Marines and Characters look very busy and even with Nurgle level skill of painting look like a pain to paint... But I absolutely love those smiling plague cultists!
Warhams-77 wrote: I guess the dice will be like the markers we had in earlier editions, showing wounds and other unit status?
Yeah the bottom ones with the skulls does look like wounds, but why would they sell seperate wound dice then? Just trying to clean out some stock?
The top ones with the droppod, grenade and other icons are what's intriguing.
Weazel wrote: I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.
I bet you they can use thoes in close combat as they refer to them as 'twin assault bolters'
Weazel wrote: I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.
I bet you they can use thoes in close combat as they refer to them as 'twin assault bolters'
Possibly. But I'm inclined to believe they serve more of a fire support role. But we'll soon learn.
Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00
Anybody know what that combat gauge is for? I've gone through the last ten pages of the thread and the only mentions of it are in the price list, but no explanation of what it does.
This would allow them to fire twice at 1" and use their attacks at strength for assault phase. The extra range would be in line with their other weapons.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Anybody know what that combat gauge is for? I've gone through the last ten pages of the thread and the only mentions of it are in the price list, but no explanation of what it does.
It's something they started using with AoS; it's an easier tool than a ruler for measuring coherency and distances for CC.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Anybody know what that combat gauge is for? I've gone through the last ten pages of the thread and the only mentions of it are in the price list, but no explanation of what it does.
It's basically a measuring tool, which each side being a different number of inches long.
They're useful for small distances like Coherency, Pile In, checking to see if you succeeded your Charge, that kind of thing.
Weazel wrote: I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.
I bet you they can use thoes in close combat as they refer to them as 'twin assault bolters'
Possibly. But I'm inclined to believe they serve more of a fire support role. But we'll soon learn.
That's also entirely possible. I think assault bolters are the Primaris version of the storm bolter
Weazel wrote: I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.
I bet you they can use thoes in close combat as they refer to them as 'twin assault bolters'
The "assault" part could refer to the weapon type. Assault weapons like stormbolters often weren't actually good in close combat.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Anybody know what that combat gauge is for? I've gone through the last ten pages of the thread and the only mentions of it are in the price list, but no explanation of what it does.
Weazel wrote: I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.
The guns look to be larger Bolt Pistols with "bullet shields".
I would think of them less as Crisis Suits and more like Seraphim; gunslingers with high mobility.
Weazel wrote: I get that people link jump packs with assault, but to me this Inceptor squad doesn't seem to have anything to do with assault. I mean they seem to have two regular boltguns. I'm thinking flying dakka marines, Crysis Suit style.
I bet you they can use thoes in close combat as they refer to them as 'twin assault bolters'
The "assault" part could refer to the weapon type. Assault weapons like stormbolters often weren't actually good in close combat.
Oh yeah if the assault-type weapons are still in there that's possible. Entirely forgot those
Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00
So a 125 euros or 265 dollars for the starter. Not bad to be honest. The rules are also fairly cheaper respect the older books. THe indexes are the latest pricing bracket for Battletome, 25 euros. Not bad.
The Inceptors really look more like jetpack/flying infantry than jump infantry, they look like something that is supposed to be floting most of the time, not walking (look at the "pseudo boots" that they wear under their feets, they are like stirrups)
This would indeed make they closer to Tau battle suits than to jump pack assault squads, and explain the choice of weapons.
Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00
So a 125 euros or 265 dollars for the starter. Not bad to be honest. The rules are also fairly cheaper respect the older books. THe indexes are the latest pricing bracket for Battletome, 25 euros. Not bad.
$265 AUS - so that our resident Americans don't have a heart attack thinking that's the US price .
@John There were similiar markers before, that running symbol (arrow with food prints) looks familiar. Or are these command dice?
I can't understand everyone hating on the jump dudes. They're absolutely amazing! I really hope that the Primaris characters have a jump pack option, I really want a jump lieutenant or a captain.
As for the captain, that photo really shows what's wrong with the pose; the upper torso leans backwards, making the stomach look fat. The legs and the right arm bending backwards don't help either. I need to completely chop up this dude and rebuild him.
In Tau faction focus I think they mentioned Flying units can fall back from assault and shoot normally. I think that might be the case with Inceptors as well. They'd provide fire support, and if caught in melee they can just bounce back and unload their guns...
So, sorry if I missed it.. not reading every reply.. But, does the big book have the rules, or do the rules come in that little foldy thing in the box set kinda like the AOS rules?
So the box set comes with a mini codex for the new marines and death guard, but I'd assume all that content will be in those 6 index books too? Don't really think I need/want the starter set, models look great but I know I'll never get around to painting them... is there anything else in the starter set I'll actually need? I'm planning to get the big book plus the 6 index books, guess I'll be set with all that?
Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00
So a 125 euros or 265 dollars for the starter. Not bad to be honest. The rules are also fairly cheaper respect the older books. THe indexes are the latest pricing bracket for Battletome, 25 euros. Not bad.
$265 AUS - so that our resident Americans don't have a heart attack thinking that's the US price .
Oh thank God for that. I really did almost have a heart attack.
Weazel wrote: In Tau faction focus I think they mentioned Flying units can fall back from assault and shoot normally. I think that might be the case with Inceptors as well. They'd provide fire support, and if caught in melee they can just bounce back and unload their guns...
They said that Crisis Suits could do it; there's no guarantee that it's directly something that all Flying units can do.
Weazel wrote: In Tau faction focus I think they mentioned Flying units can fall back from assault and shoot normally. I think that might be the case with Inceptors as well. They'd provide fire support, and if caught in melee they can just bounce back and unload their guns...
They said that Crisis Suits could do it; there's no guarantee that it's directly something that all Flying units can do.
Well every unit with the 'Fly' keyword can, as far as I understood it
Weazel wrote: In Tau faction focus I think they mentioned Flying units can fall back from assault and shoot normally. I think that might be the case with Inceptors as well. They'd provide fire support, and if caught in melee they can just bounce back and unload their guns...
They said that Crisis Suits could do it; there's no guarantee that it's directly something that all Flying units can do.
I can't believe you're still banging that drum. The guys from FLG literally said it was all flying units on their podcast on Friday last Monday. It is 100% the fly keyword.
Weazel wrote: In Tau faction focus I think they mentioned Flying units can fall back from assault and shoot normally. I think that might be the case with Inceptors as well. They'd provide fire support, and if caught in melee they can just bounce back and unload their guns...
They said that Crisis Suits could do it; there's no guarantee that it's directly something that all Flying units can do.
I can't believe you're still banging that drum. The guys from FLG literally said it was all flying units on their podcast on Friday. It is 100% the fly keyword.
I'll keep banging that drum until I have the rules in hand specifically saying "Flying units can Fall Back from a combat and act normally", and even then I'll say it's stupid if that is the case.
FFS. We have to a member of that soulsucking hellhole just to get basic information nowadays?
Stop the world. I'm done.
In order to engage with your community, you use a platform a great majority have easy access too.
What a shocker
Its odd, but 99.9% of warhammer players have access to games-workshop.com.
That's a shop, not a social media platform that grants you instant communication with your customer base. Unless you expected them to redesign the site from the ground up?
A truly hi-larious objection, given that that's exactly what they did to turn their website into a mere webstore in the first place - it used to be an actual place for news and articles. But hey, it's GW, so I'm sure it would cost them another 4 million quid to add an additional dedicated rotating banner right under the navigation bar of the site linking to news items on the Community website, given a web design student could do it from their phone to pass the time as they used the bathroom
Not everybody is happy being the product(because that's what you are when you use "free" platforms like FB), and using third-party websites shouldn't be a requirement to find out what's going on when GW have perfectly servicable sites of their own.
As for the new books and box - hmm. A mixed bag. I'm probably going to end up ignoring 99% of the new Big Damn Heroes Edition fluff so the Primaris will only be of use to me as fodder for truescale Marines in proper marks of armour anyway, but a few of them do look pretty cool in their own right, like the helmeted Lieutenant. Those nuAssault Marines are derptacular though. The Plague Marine stuff will probably look much, much better to my eye in a more muted, grimy paint scheme. I like that their gear has lots of Heresy-era aesthetic cues hidden under the layers of mutation and corruption. The plague cultist models are a lot more spine-encrusted than I thought they'd be, those I'll have to see in bare plastic to decide if I can use. Overall a pretty good starter box that will either be fantastic if you're into the nuMarines thing or merely not bad if you're not.
The Indexes are probably the best solution we could expect from GW, the only reason they gave away free rules for existing models with AoS was they were getting rid of the existing factions and many of their models anyway. Still, given how big a shift this edition is going to be it would have been good if they released a small selectiion of datasheets, enough to make up a wee "sample army" list for each, so people could try out the new rules without having to spend any money first.
What is up with these names? On one hand you have the absurdly pretentious Inceptors and Intercessors (but not Interceptors mind you, because that's a word an English-speaker might conceivably use in normal conversation). And on the other you have the Hellblasters, a name the Pan Fo themselves would be proud to revile. I wonder if the captain is parentally inserted in his Gravitas Armour?
Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00
Not bad, that translates to $150 for the starter and $25 for the Indices. I am going to sell the Death Guard off, so about $100 for the Primaris and the BRB, and the $25 Marine Index. I will get the Other Imperium book later on. Crimson Fists and Blood Angels are my priority.
unlike yours.
