Rumour about changes of GW paint range (now with paint names and colour diagram)

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**Lorizael**

The reason the names have all changed is because they are different paints...
Different formula, different shades- the names can't stay the same if the paints are different.
I'm sure being able to copyright the new paint names is a good bonus, but really- 3 years of development and investment just to make sure copyright is theirs..?

**Mr Proudhoof**

I like the look of the paints. I like the shades and glazes. I like the fact that the have grouped the paints together (maybe there will be less grey armies now?...), BUT that looks like the same paint pot. I hope beyond hope it has a lip of plastic like the newly extinct washes

**filbert**

If anyone cares, I have updated the Dakka Paint Compatability Article:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Paint_Range_Compatibility_Chart#Paint_Comparison_Chart

Added the new Citadel Colours in based on the PDF that GW produced here:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2320032a_Citadel_Conversion_Chart

Obviously, the article will need to be revisited at some point to add in the new colours that have been added.

**Mr Proudhoof**

filbert wrote:If anyone cares, I have updated the Dakka Paint Compatability Article:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Paint_Range_Compatibility_Chart#Paint_Comparison_Chart

I care! That's a neat chart. Dakka Dakka is single handedly preserving my faith in civilization. Thank the lord for Agrax Earthshade.

**filbert**

Mr Proudhoof wrote:Thank the lord for Agrax Earthshade.

Yes and no. It all needs to be taken with a bit of salt unfortunately:

GW Compatibility Chart wrote:Be aware that as the new paint range comprises brand-new formulations we can suggest close, but not exact comparisons.

**brainscan**

£333 for the whole box of all paints colours doesn't seem like a good discount price? Let's do the math £2.30 per pot X 145 = £330.50 and a free large army case? Does anyone else find this price a little hard to swallow?

**Mr Proudhoof**

Mr Proudhoof wrote:BUT that looks like the same paint pot. I hope beyond hope it has a lip of plastic like the newly extinct washes

Yes, I'm quoting myself. Just talked to the manager of my local store, all the paints have a new lip to keep the lids open. Nice one!

**SagesStone**

brainscan wrote:£333 for the whole box of all paints colours doesn't seem like a good discount price? Let's do the math £2.30 per pot X 145 = £330.50 and a free large army case? Does anyone else find this price a little hard to swallow?

I'll just leave this here.

$870 or £574.

In other words the same price buying the paints alone, with a completely free case.

**zombie**

Samus_aran115 wrote:
bubber wrote:£333 for the whole lot - ouch..

560 for us Oh man, I could buy a glock for that much!

$870 for us in Oz!

At that price will any be sold in Oz?

Love the conversion chart where even GW says that the old colours and the new colours are not a perfect match but are close enough "...we can suggest close, but not exact comparisons." that rather shoots down all the claims that there will be no difference between the old and new paint colours as suggested by some

**NAVARRO**

infinite_array wrote:
Orktavius wrote:I heard 2nd hand (friend who knows someone working in GW's customer service center) that it had gotten to the point that they were fielding more calls about chapterhouse junk than their own.
*seriously...why? *

Oh yeah? Well my mother's brother's kid's room mate's ex-girlfriend is Tom Kirby's third cousin, twice removed, and I was told that Kirby uses Chapterhouse on all of his Space Marines! Ha!

Now that was funny!

filbert wrote:This was my worst fear confirmed:

GW Compatibility Chart wrote:Be aware that as the new paint range comprises brand-new formulations we can suggest close, but not exact comparisons.

Yes I have read that, the "we suggest close" its like "we have no clue so good luck"... Oh well I know this is not the point but maybe the new formulas are even better now, but thats not cool if you want army consistency all over your projects, personally I will just check the washes to see if they are decent and thats about it I'm NEVER again going to buy GW sets because that is just trowing away money on paints that dry way, waaay to fast.
I will also try out secret weapons washes they do seem quite nice and are not in ridiculous pots.

**Lorizael**

brainscan wrote:£333 for the whole box of all paints colours doesn't seem like a good discount price? Let's do the math £2.30 per pot X 145 = £330.50 and a free large army case? Does anyone else find this price a little hard to swallow?

£2.30 x 145 = £333.50

So that's not hard to swallow as it's the actual cost of the paints. The same price they've always been.
And then you get a free army case with a value of £61.50

Seems a good deal...

**Snrub**

Kanluwen wrote:Fenris Grey was pretty much the same thing as Shadow Grey anyways; just a Foundation Paint.

Ah ok. Cheers mate.

zombie wrote: $870 for us in Oz!

At that price will any be sold in Oz?

You can bet they will. Its the young kids with parents who are either unfortunately clueless or have more money then they know what to do with who will be the primary buyers of this. Dont get me wrong if i had the cash or inclanation then i might just buy this myself out of sheer want for a large collection of paints. But seeing as i have neither and am also quite happy using Vallejo paints, I think i'll do without. Alternatively one could just wait for the price to come down.....

**NAVARRO**

Lorizael wrote:
brainscan wrote:£333 for the whole box of all paints colours doesn't seem like a good discount price? Let's do the math £2.30 per pot X 145 = £330.50 and a free large army case? Does anyone else find this price a little hard to swallow?

£2.30 x 145 = £333.50

So that's not hard to swallow as it's the actual cost of the paints. The same price they've always been.
And then you get a free army case with a value of £61.50

Seems a good deal...

Yes it does, if only 75% of those pots didn't dry up on the first years

or if there weren't other ranges with bigger pots and more paint for less money. Yes that would be a good deal... As it stands its hard for me personally to justify investing in a total new range of formulas when you are happy with other ranges already... If I was going to paint a huge army spreaded for 2 or 3 years I would not risk it getting into such inconsistent range.

**Cerebrium**

Bloody hell.

Start painting my Tau with Shadow Grey. Shadow Grey is on the conversion chart now as "The Fang". Go onto the GW website, no sign of "The Fang" anywhere.

EDIT: Wait, no, found it. Hurrr.

**Kroothawk**

Some tidbits:
1.) In the long run all pots will have an (improved) stopper to keep them open at an angle. I think, this is an improvement. In the first production run though, not all pots already have that feature.
2.) Base colours shall serve the same function as formerly the foundation paints: Providing a good high pigment base cover. In contrast to foundation paints, these are thinner and more adapt to be used as is from the pot. I think, this is an improvement.
3.) Shades also have a different formula over the current washes. The washes had the tendency to form into unregular puddles on larger straight surfaces, shades dry much more evenly and don't change their colour that much while drying. I think, this is an improvement, as my current paint scheme didn't work on vehicles.
4.) A bit hidden: The technical paint "Lahmian Medium" also doubles as a matte varnish, e.g. to stabilize decals and render their rims invisible. Welcome back.
5.) As far as I understand it, Glazes are similar thinned as shades, but don't flow into the deeper parts of the surface but keep an even layer. Only 4 bright colours to brighten up surfaces, esp. when drybrushing made them too pale. The green seems to be close to a thinned scorpion green. Guess they can provide some glowing look e.g. for Gauss weapons. Interesting to see how these (and shades) interact with a silver base colour to make new metallics.

Oh, and here another review taken from Warseer:

zoggin-eck wrote:Mini review time:

Meeting up with the good lady for lunch seemed a decent excuse to check out the paints at a (nearly) local store after work. They had a basic range covering each "type" of paint set up. Space marines were of course the test models. I would have preferred something "finer" featured like, say, the IoB high elves but that's OK. Despite being busy, I got a decent go at each colour on offer without having to give up my seat (shoo kid, this is serious stuff!). Was interesting to see how much the whole "this is a new range, not the same colours!" was drummed into the staff. Good move, as far as I see it. I sell hous/building paint (among other things) and am amazed at the general public expecting a printed piece of paper to perfectly match actual paint when applied to their wall (under mood lighting even!).

Dry range:
Didn't expect anything from these, but now vow to buy each one. The grey and brown, when drybrushed over black came up fantastic. This would look great alone on marines for beginners (or statues, ghosts and the like) but with a wash over the top (in my tests) looked fantastic. When I first opened one, I almost put it back thinking "this is stupid" when I saw how clumpy and actually dry it is. However, when drybrushed very (very!) dryly, with a few layers building up, it looked great (my first attempt used too much paint, looking awful). As said by the guy at the store, used on marine armour it actually looks good, whereas usually it come out too chalky, or just looking lazy. This had a very "fine particle" sort of look to it. Using a wash, or just touching up detail would be plenty when painting a "tabletop" army.

Shades:
Seem to flow just as well, if not better than the existing washes. The red, blue and black I used looked good (perhaps not as primary red and blue as the older ones?). My initial fear of stocking up on washes has passed.

Textures:
One of those easy to make your own ones (paint, water and plaster/powedered wood filler) but something I'm lazy about. I recently got into using paint mixed with filler rather than sand, as I hate the whole "feet half buried in sand" look that I used for so many years. The two colours I used were nice with a lighter colour drybrushed over the top. For terrain projects, I'll make my own. For models, I'll probably get a pot or two.

Bases:
Mostly just tried the white. Very happy, it covered quite well and perhaps wasn't as "heavy" as the current foundations? Anyway, my other fear of losing foundations isn't such a big deal (I hope the darksun equivelant is a good match, though).

Glazes:
Only got to try the green. Quite nice, pretty much what I expected compared to the earlier citadel glazes (I only have the red at home. Bought it when I was starting, thinking it was ordinay red and wondered why it was so thin compared to other paints. 2nd ed. 40k painting guide to the rescue!).

Layers:
Didn't get to try them properly, as the GW store brushes were so mangled, highlighting in any way was next to impossible! People actually go into stores to paint in these conditions?

For anyone assuming "fanboi alert" for such a positive review, believe me when I say I went in expecting the new stuff to be pretty ordinary. I really just wanted to test the washes. In no way do I use citadel stuff exclusively. On the way out I went to the art store opposite and bought some acrylics for a terrain project (and a test for painting figures) and some Winsor and Newton inks, and recently found a fave way of painting yellow thanks to p3 paints, but I was still mighty impressed with what I saw. Not what I heard, mind you (why do GW stores play loud, awful music in what is already a crowded store in a busy area, ensuring everyone has to yell?). I'm lucky in that I can generally afford whatever hobby products I like (not that lucky, I work an extra day or so each week to justify my lifestyle!) so price means little to me. If I like something, I'll buy it/save up for it. If I had kids or couldn't justify it, I'd stick to purely coat d'arms or p3, or just anything with more in the pot.

In summary, I think there's plenty for someone like me (two decades or so of playing around with paint) but I'm sure it will really help beginners. The little cards for each unit type with a "how to/which paints" on the back don't interest me, but might have years ago. Hopefully we'll see some halfway passable marine armies that follow a simple "undercoat black - drybrush - wash" treatment rather than being left unpainted, at the very least.

Zog's predictions for the future:

People will think they are being very clever claiming GW are now "charging for pre-dried up paint" (dry range) without actually trying it themselves, or just doing a bad job of using them.

People will still claim that GW are charging for "watered down paint/inks" (shade/washes range) when they haven't got a clue.

**Elmir**

Lorizael wrote:
*snip*

Seems a good deal...

It does, doesn't it... Untill you have to toss out half of those paints 3 years down the road because they can be used to cut diamonds...

GW has some of the best paint formula's imo (their metallics and washes are my personal favorite), but THE WORST pots in history. What didn't change in this range: the pots.

Nothing to do here!

**Arm.chair.general**

So excited about the new paint range, Games-Workshop have really stepped up their game with more paints than before, but at the same volume and price. Also the Dark Angels in the 40k paint set looks like a hint for things to come

**Lorizael**

I'm sorry, but does no-one close their paints properly?
Been using the latest pots since they came out and I've had no problems with drying out.
The pots have a pretty damn good seal if you click them down all the way.

But then I also use my paints rather than letting them sit for 3 years....

**Jadenim**

Move along, nothing to see here, eyesight failure using the conversion chart...

Although, annoyingly, the conversion chart is an image, rather than text, which means you can't search for the damn paint using ctrl-F!

Seriously GW, thow me a friggin bone.

**Arm.chair.general**

Lorizael wrote:I'm sorry, but does no-one close their paints properly?
Been using the latest pots since they came out and I've had no problems with drying out.
The pots have a pretty damn good seal if you click them down all the way.

But then I also use my paints rather than letting them sit for 3 years....

Agreed, I have some pots from 3-4 years ago, from when I first started and none have dried out, and if they did start thickening then I added one or two drop of water, shook it and it's as good as new.

**insaniak**

GW Compatibility Chart wrote:Be aware that as the new paint range comprises brand-new formulations we can suggest close, but not exact comparisons.

I am overcome with the surprise of it all.

Lorizael wrote:I'm sorry, but does no-one close their paints properly?

I can't speak for the current pots, as I haven't bought enough of them to say for sure how good they seal (although my Iyanden Darksun is starting to thicken up after half a dozen uses), but the previous pots were notoriously bad for drying out while closed, as was mentioned earlier in the thread.

But then I also use my paints rather than letting them sit for 3 years....

That's fine when you paint regularly and only need a small range of paints. I have several hundred paints from numerous different manufacturers, because the stuff I paint tends to include a fair variety of different miniatures. Some of those paint pots are more than 15 years old.

**H.B.M.C.**

Now I'm worried that future Golden Demons™ will include little cards with 145 little boxes (each with a ™ next to the name) where you'll have to tick (using a Citadel™ Marker™) to indicate which Citadel™ Paints™ you used.

There will be a 146th box that asks "Did you use any non-Citadel™ Paints™ when painting your Citadel™ Miniature™?" and if you answer yes, you get disqualified...

**d-usa**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Now I'm worried that future Golden Demons™ will include little cards with 145 little boxes (each with a ™ next to the name) where you'll have to tick (using a Citadel™ Marker™) to indicate which Citadel™ Paints™ you used.

There will be a 146th box that asks "Did you use any non-Citadel™ Paints™ when painting your Citadel™ Miniature™?" and if you answer yes, you get disqualified...

Do you have to check off the box using a Citatel(TM) FinePen(TM)?

**H.B.M.C.**

No, no. Just a Citadel™ Marker™. They come in 4 easy to remember Citadel™ Colours™:

Grinding Blue™
Eardrum Black™
Boltgun™ Red™
Ultima™ Segmentum™ Green™

**Chad Warden**

Lorizael wrote:The reason the names have all changed is because they are different paints...
Different formula, different shades- the names can't stay the same if the paints are different.

not true, the paint names remained the same last time they changed over
coat d'arms I think used to do GW paints

**gilljoy**

Some of the new colours and shades I really like that are coming out.

Will probably pick up the glazes to try as well as the new shades of washes.

I can see what gw is trying to do with the whole these are the 5 paints you need to paint X mini thing which isnt necissarily a bad thing

**Lorizael**

Chad Warden wrote:
Lorizael wrote:The reason the names have all changed is because they are different paints...
Different formula, different shades- the names can't stay the same if the paints are different.

not true, the paint names remained the same last time they changed over
coat d'arms I think used to do GW paints

Then I would suggest they did it wrong back then.

You can't keep a paint name if the new paint is a different shade. That would be stupid.

**Squidmanlolz**

Lorizael wrote:
Chad Warden wrote:
Lorizael wrote:The reason the names have all changed is because they are different paints...
Different formula, different shades- the names can't stay the same if the paints are different.

not true, the paint names remained the same last time they changed over
coat d'arms I think used to do GW paints

Then I would suggest they did it wrong back then.

You can't keep a paint name if the new paint is a different shade. That would be stupid.

They kept a lot of the old colors the same, they changed the name, but they are the same color... IMO, they should have kept the old names, but IIRC White Dwarf is supposed to release a chart to clarify the name changes for the old colors.

**darefsky (Flight Medic Paints)**

Everyone complains about the paints drying out in the pots and that is true. I took all my GW paints and put them in dropper bottles, ends the issue of drying out.

I like the GW paints I have a bunch, however I am slowly moving over to Valejo as my paints run out because of them already coming in droppers.

**insaniak**

H.B.M.C. wrote:No, no. Just a Citadel™ Marker™. They come in 4 easy to remember Citadel™ Colours™:

Grinding Blue™
Eardrum Black™
Boltgun™ Red™
Ultima™ Segmentum™ Green™

I would have expected easier to remember names like:
Coruscating Warpfire™
Railroad Spike™
Jervis™'s Dinner™
and
Boarding Torpedo Surprise™

You can't go using names that give people some sort of idea of what the colour actually is. That would be crazy. Next thing you'll be asking for previews of upcoming releases.