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Kroothawk wrote:Necrons, Grey Knights and Sororitas all started as a handfull of fluffy models, who got a small Codex in 3rd edition with only a few options and will be expanded to a full grown Codex in 5th edition. All three have the potential for this. If you read the 2nd edition Sororitas Codex, you will agree that the Ecclesiarchy has too much potential to be squeezed into half a Codex.

You are mistaken sisters had a codex in 2ed I have it within reach as I type

Sisters actually started back in Rogue Trader. The infamous "Sister Sin roasting a rainbow warrior" picture is one of the first mentions of Sororitas.

And guess what? Back in Rogue Trader, Sisters hunted down Astartes chapters that went astray, basically they policed the Astartes. Fun times

sonofruss wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Necrons, Grey Knights and Sororitas all started as a handfull of fluffy models, who got a small Codex in 3rd edition with only a few options and will be expanded to a full grown Codex in 5th edition. All three have the potential for this. If you read the 2nd edition Sororitas Codex, you will agree that the Ecclesiarchy has too much potential to be squeezed into half a Codex.

You are mistaken sisters had a codex in 2ed I have it within reach as I type

Please read my post again, esp. the third sentence
BTW all three fractions were present in 2nd edition. I was just too lazy to verify, which ones also had predecessors in Rogue Trader.

The Sisters of Battle ARE the standing army of the Ecclesiarchy, Kroothawk... the Frateris Militia are basically just mobs of citizens whipped into a frenzy by priests.

You mean, after reading the 2nd edition Codex I wouldn't be aware of that?
Maybe I should be more explicit: Rumours say that the sisters will be included in an extended Ecclesiarchy Codex instead of a Witch Hunter Codex.

That's better

Although frankly there's no point of calling it Codex: Ecclesiarchy, any more than it is trying to call C:IG Codex: Imperium.

Kroothawk wrote:Necrons, Grey Knights and Sororitas all started as a handfull of fluffy models,

For the pedantic:

Grey Knights = late Rogue Trader, originally in Realms of Chaos hardback; 3 Terminator model designs; regular GKs are non-Psykers and look just like regular SMs

Sisters are a full Codex in 2E, with a full line of infantry models, like a 2E Guard faction. Much more than a handful, and none wasted.

Necrons are a very late 2E WD scenario force with limited model support consisting of just Lord, Warriors, Immortals, Destroyers, and Scarabs. I wish I still had my 1st gen Immortals to field as Imperial Robots of some sort.

Actually, while the SoB are the Ecclesiarchy's army, they are very involved with the Inquisition, so it would make sense that they would work together.

Melissia wrote:Although frankly there's no point of calling it Codex: Ecclesiarchy, any more than it is trying to call C:IG Codex: Imperium.

... or Tau Empire. Wait!

JohnHwangDD wrote:Sisters are a full Codex in 2E, with a full line of infantry models, like a 2E Guard faction. Much more than a handful, and none wasted.

If Sisters were really a full line of miniatures and more than a handfull, why is the 3rd edition Codex with double the number of miniatures still considered small? Actually it was just one HQ, one standard, one fast attack and some sisters with heavy weapons. Comparable to the handfull of Necrons (one HQ, one standard, one elite, one support and scarabs), which was also extended to a small Codex in 3rd edition.

Luke_Prowler wrote:Actually, while the SoB are the Ecclesiarchy's army, they are very involved with the Inquisition, so it would make sense that they would work together.

We are talking about adding Ecclesiarchy only units like redemptionists, bishops etc., so changing the emphasis from Inquisition to church (and keep Inquisition units for Grey Knights).

Kroothawk wrote:... or Tau Empire. Wait!

... which is accurate, as 90% of all units (from memory anyway) are Tau, with some supporting units. Codex: Sisters of Battle is a more accurate name for any Ecclesiarchal codex because 90% of all units, and indeed the only STANDING army, is the Sisters of Battle.

Melissia wrote:The Inquisition as done in 3rd edition was a set of crappy rules, with mostly crappy models, and almost no fluff. They're basically worthless as they were put in back then, and GW knows it... Jervis Johnson has admitted that they basically just stuffed the Inquisition into the Sisters codex because they wanted to advertise for the Inquisitor roleplaying game, rather than because of their own merits.

Sisters really deserve their own codex. They have been treated horribly from the start.
If memory serves, they were one of the very last codices released in 2nd edition. Shortly after that, 3rd edition came out, rendering all 2nd ed codices obsolete. Then at the end of 3rd Edition, they were lumped into an ugly, mismash codex wherein they were (and still are) unable to shine as an independent army. They are a very characterful army of which GWs acknowledgment is long overdue. I'm glad they're in the works. I'm hoping they arrive on the scene alone. It can't even be said that they wouldn't be popular, cause they've never been given a fair chance as a standalone army.

Plus, they are really the only Imperial army that I would consider playing...

Kroothawk wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Sisters are a full Codex in 2E, with a full line of infantry models, like a 2E Guard faction. Much more than a handful, and none wasted.

If Sisters were really a full line of miniatures and more than a handfull, why is the 3rd edition Codex with double the number of miniatures still considered small?

Standards change. 3E Sisters were comparable in scope with DE and original Tau.

A couple days ago I bought the 2e Sisters of Battle Codex for $6 due to my huge enthusiasm in the army and I really like what's in it, aside from not understanding all the rules. I like the idea of them getting their own Codex again, or at least another one that focuses a lot on them. I'm pretty satisfied with the Witch Hunters one, but it could use even more detail on Sisters. Either, way I really hope there's a good update soon. I even hope Repentia and Penitent Engines get improved, especially Repentia. I think their concept and models are amazing, I would use them if not for their gak for rules. Whatever the case, I'm just excited for an eventual update.

Repentia would ahve to be improved if they want to sell them. They're the worst unit in the game, or at least in the bottom three.

That's what I've read. It's no wonder that the box set with the mistress is no longer available. It's a shame due to the fluff of the unit and beauty of the models. I would almost consider buying a blister of three Repentia just to paint but even that would feel like paying too much compared to what I could be spending on good units. :/

I actually kinda hate the fluff of the unit after thinking about it a bit. Basically they're Sisters who've had a nervous breakdown and are now bat gak crazy... *facepalm*

Lol, true. But after reading about Iona the Repentia in the book Faith and Fire I just think the whole absolute devotion to the Imperium and crazed desire for redemption goes really well with the flavor of the army as a whole. But anyway, the craziest thing just happened. Used to the box of ten sisters had the availability "expected to dispatched within 1 to 2 weeks". Then after my order it says they were discontinued. And NOW the site says they normally ship within 24 hours. It kinda made me say "what the feth, have they finally lost it with Sisters?" Either way, I'm just excited for my three SoB blisters to come in, unless of course there's another random discontinuation.

I don't. I like the Sisters as a military unit with a somewhat religious bent, not as a bunch of crazed religious nutjobs with hardly a conscious thought, completely lacking in logic and idiotic as soldiers. There's enough of THOSE donkey-caves around where I live, I certainly don't want to play an army of them...

Lol! Nice. Live in the Bible belt? I totally agree with you on the military unit. I love the Sisters of Battle for the sophistication and sense they seem to bring to the battle field. I like the religious thing mainly for the faith powers and devotion of the troops. My main thing with Repentia is the journey for redemption, though I disagree with the reasons of becoming them and the treatment they get, based on my reading of the Codex and Faith and Fire.

Melissia wrote:I don't. I like the Sisters as a military unit with a somewhat religious bent, not as a bunch of crazed religious nutjobs with hardly a conscious thought, completely lacking in logic and idiotic as soldiers. There's enough of THOSE donkey-caves around where I live, I certainly don't want to play an army of them...

That pretty much describes the Imperium in a nutshell.

Terminus wrote:Well, GW hasn't done a decent "huge" book since 2nd edition (now THOSE were some codexes!).

With their current business model, I do NOT want a combined Inquisition book, as it means one of two things:

1. The various Ordos are mutually exclusive, so each one is as limited in choice as they are now.
2. The various Ordos can be mixed, and with the usual GW method of having one or two options per FOC slot that just rock out, we'll get terrible amalgam lists of Deathwatch elites and Malleus troops, with Seraphim filling out the fast attack section.

^This.
I agree with Terminus here, the 2 playable ordos need to have seperate codexs, Deathwatch however I'm not sure about where they should go...
Seeing as I haven't ever seen an xenos inquisiotor ruleset i have no idea where they should go.

I do not want one big codex.

I don't care about the "ordos", I care about the Sisters. But then, I never bought into the witch hunters crap, it's a Sisters codex with some irrelevant crap tossed in cause they wanted to advertise for something else.

Shabutie wrote:That pretty much describes the Imperium in a nutshell.

Not really. Religion plays a large part in the culture, yes, but at the same time, their soldiers are still soldiers, not what basically amounts to zealots with guns pointed at the enemy hoping they'll at least cause more trouble to the enemy than they do to eachother.

The Imperium's continued existence proves it.

Melissia wrote:I don't care about the "ordos", I care about the Sisters. But then, I never bought into the witch hunters crap, it's a Sisters codex with some irrelevant crap tossed in cause they wanted to advertise for something else.

That's nice, but like it or not, the current fluff is that Sisters are a Chamber Militant. Until that changes (and it may well do so come the next Witch Hunter/Sisters Codex, as all GW fluff is arbitrary), they're part of the Inquisition and as much as you don't care about the Ordo Hereticus, I don't care about the Sisters, and we both have to live with one another, so deal with it.

Kroothawk wrote:You mean, after reading the 2nd edition Codex I wouldn't be aware of that?
Maybe I should be more explicit: Rumours say that the sisters will be included in an extended Ecclesiarchy Codex instead of a Witch Hunter Codex.

This alone will get me to keep my sisters, especially if such a codex also contains lots of fanatical rabble-type units like zealots/fraternis miltia, etc., etc.

If they get crammed into another =I= codex they are hitting ebay...

H.B.M.C. wrote:they're part of the Inquisition

No, actually, they aren't. They have an agreement to assist the Ordo Hereticus, and the Ordo Hereticus assists them in return, but the Sisters of Battle are employed primarily (indeed, almost entirely) by the Imperial Cult-- not the Inquisition. Even in C:WH this is true. Not only were the craptacular inquisition units hoisted in a codex where they blatantly don't belong, but the Inquisition's fluff is barely even present in C:WH. GW cares LESS about the Inquisition than it does the Sisters, if that's possible.

My point was, Melissia, that the fluff changes at the whims of whatever units they need to write into the Codex. Doom of Malan'tai is a good example - never mentioned before or since, but invented out of no where to create a new unit.

Actually... Vanguard, Sternguard, Thunderfire Cannons, Redeemers, Sanguinary Guard, Venomthropes, Hive Guard - all of these things have been pulled out of no where and retconned into the background as though they were always there - completely arbitrary.

So don't get attached to your fluff. What it is now, or what it was in 2nd Ed is irrelevant. It can and will change to fit with whatever they need it to come the next release.

But they didn't undo the 'Chamber Militant of the Ecclesiarchy' in the Witchhunters codex, only emphasized their working together with the Inquisition. What you're referring to - new units - didn't change the entire fluff aspect of the army. The presence of a Thunderfire Cannon didn't place the Space Marines who use it directly under the command of the Mechanicus, etc.

None of the examples you list make any radical changes unlike what you are referring to beyond your usual spiel.

H.B.M.C. wrote:My point was, Melissia, that the fluff changes at the whims of whatever units they need to write into the Codex.

... which could very well mean that they completely remove the Inquisition from the codex entirely, with only a casual reference to them at most. Retcon can work both ways.

81 posts in the first 19 hours on the forum. Must be a record.
Anyway, let's get back on topic: No news & rumours on Sororitas ATM, no release in the near future.

Kroothawk wrote:81 posts in the first 19 hours on the forum. Must be a record.
Anyway, let's get back on topic: No news & rumours on Sororitas ATM, no release in the near future.

My prediction based off of what we've heard is middle to late next year... hopefully, it'll be Sisters and Ecclesiarchy-- IE, we get to see Frateris Militia again.