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Ok, then stop getting your panties in a bunch when one poster says something incorrect that's already been explained earlier in the thread.

Or just stop posting. I'm cool either way.

here allow me to calify
company commander can issue up to 2 orders each turn.
a platoon command squad can issue 1 order each turn.

orders are given to units.

It says that officers issue orders for units to follow.

it doesnt say-and I looked over the codex, and had another person look it over also to see if I got it wrong,

question- if you can onlu issue 2 orders a turn-does it mean that other units dont do anything? ( i am hopeing this isnt true-but again it doesnt say anywhere) and we all know how rules lawyers are-( I hate them)

as I said-I hope the "orders are bonus orders" meaning you can still do other things, and that the "orders" enhance the play. again nothing in the codex explains this.

Scottywan82 wrote:No lie here it comes, seriously? If the squad doesn't pass a Ld test every turn it does nothing? Does that make any fething sense? Really, does it?

For feth's sake, Grots are more military than IG if that's true.

Hmm, don't remember seeing anything like that. (Curses self for leaving book at the store.) From what I remember, double 1's gives you a free order, missing a leadership test that you are called upon to 'recieve and order' does nothing. You don't get the advantage or disadvange. Double 6's is the bad one. People screaming on the Vox's, no more orders given that turn at all. Cats living with Dogs. Ugly.

lord senobio wrote:here allow me to calify
company commander can issue up to 2 orders each turn.
a platoon command squad can issue 1 order each turn.

orders are given to units.

It says that officers issue orders for units to follow.

it doesnt say-and I looked over the codex, and had another person look it over also to see if I got it wrong,

question- if you can onlu issue 2 orders a turn-does it mean that other units dont do anything? ( i am hopeing this isnt true-but again it doesnt say anywhere) and we all know how rules lawyers are-( I hate them)

as I said-I hope the "orders are bonus orders" meaning you can still do other things, and that the "orders" enhance the play. again nothing in the codex explains this.

Orders just give bonuses like "Bring it Down!" and "First Rank Fire, Second Rank Fire!". So if you don't have enough orders, the other squads can't do these special actions. You don't need to give orders for the guys to shoot or move.

I am voting for it being bonus orders.
still sad that sharpshooters doctrine is gone.

Hmmm, I'm wondering now, about Amoeba squads. An order given to 10 men isn't nearly as effective as the same order given to 30. Especially if one of the squads involved in the merge has a commisar in it.

lord senobio wrote:I am voting for it being bonus orders.

Bonus orders? There is no grey area here, orders are special bonuses that you can give your squad with command HQs and platoon HQs. If you don't give a squad an order, they act like normal. You can move, shoot, assault, etc. If you DO give them an order, then they get a small bonus, as long as they pass the test.

i had a random thought. did they get rid of Armored Fist squads?

alarmingrick wrote:i had a random thought. did they get rid of Armored Fist squads?

Yes. In return, ordinary infantry squads now have a transport option, which is basically what the armored fist was in fluff. There are also now two other single squad troops choices, the hardened veterans squad and the penal legion.

alarmingrick wrote:i had a random thought. did they get rid of Armored Fist squads?

The term still exists. Robin Cruddace refers to it in the May White Dwarf. It's no great loss from the list since you can get a Veteran Squad in a Chimera (base 70+55=125) for less points than you could get the Armored Fist squad (base 60+85=145) before. The big gain comes due to the much cheaper Chimera.

So, my espanol is kinda rusty, but I just saw a possibility ...

Commissar w/ Power Weapon
Sgt w/ Power Weapon
9 dudes (maybe a flamer)
110 points. Not horrible counter-assault.

Merge them with another 50 point squad and that is 21 wounds with 8 power weapons attacks on the charge.

Add Creed's order and you get some decent killiness.

Recklessfable wrote:So, my espanol is kinda rusty, but I just saw a possibility ...

Commissar w/ Power Weapon
Sgt w/ Power Weapon
9 dudes (maybe a flamer)
110 points. Not horrible counter-assault.

Merge them with another 50 point squad and that is 21 wounds with 8 power weapons attacks on the charge.

Add Creed's order and you get some decent killiness.

Good luck. I have little faith in IG counter-assault due to WS3, I3, S3. My first ten or so games with IG tested a Cadian Assault army with several different weapon and advisor combinations. Ultimately, I decided that it was far more productive to 'assault by fire'.

One question though: Why do you think the sergeant and commissar get power weapons as an option? In squads, I thought the sergeant and commissar were not allowed power weapons. The sergeant gets CCW and laspistol. He can upgrade to a bolt pistol. The commissar gets CCW and bolt pistol. Both the sergeant and the commissar may upgrade to plasma pistols. The only commissar, I know of, that can upgrade to a power weapon is the one that accompanies the Platoon Command Squad (PCS). The Commissar Lord is an entirely different ball of wax.

El Sargento y/o el Comisario puede sustituir su rifle laser y/o su arma de cuero a cuerpo por:
Arma de Energia o pistola de plasma

Still 21 dudes with a Commissar make a nice tarpit with teeth.

edit: and both the Commissar and Sgt have A2 so 3 attacks with the extra CC weapon.

Recklessfable wrote:Not horrible counter-assault.

Most of the unit will be dead before they get to swing. So remove the 'Not' from your sentence above and it's more accurate.

"Most" really depends on what has gotten to you. I'm not saying this is something to go chase Orks with, but it is better than Ogryns (which cost around twice as much) and Rough Riders (which have to charge)

I still think it is a decent unit to have screening the tank squadrons. The power weapons cost an extra 20 points and will instill some fear in the MEQs (killing 1.1 more than you would otherwise).

So instead of calling it counter-assault, call it a screen. The alternative is a cheap squad that gets wiped/broken at a sacrifice of 50+ points.

besides, I have to figure out how the feth I'm going to field a legal Tallarn army when I only own 2 CCW/Las Pistol Sgts! :p

Recklessfable wrote:El Sargento y/o el Comisario puede sustituir su rifle laser y/o su arma de cuero a cuerpo por:
Arma de Energia o pistola de plasma

Still 21 dudes with a Commissar make a nice tarpit with teeth.

Ah, you read more carefully than I. Still, I agree with HBMC. I'm not going to fight them in HtH. I'm just going to shoot them to death. 5e just makes that even more likely than 4e.

Recklessfable wrote:El Sargento y/o el Comisario puede sustituir su rifle laser y/o su arma de cuero a cuerpo por:
Arma de Energia o pistola de plasma

So, am I reading this correctly that a Sergeant or Comissar can have a lasgun ("rifle laser")? It seems as if they would have to be equiped with one before they can start substituting it for plasma pistols or "Arma de Energia" which I assume is a laspitol.

tomguycot wrote:

Recklessfable wrote:El Sargento y/o el Comisario puede sustituir su rifle laser y/o su arma de cuero a cuerpo por:
Arma de Energia o pistola de plasma

So, am I reading this correctly that a Sergeant or Comissar can have a lasgun ("rifle laser")? It seems as if they would have to be equiped with one before they can start substituting it for plasma pistols or "Arma de Energia" which I assume is a laspitol.

I don't speak spanish, but that looks an awful lot like "The sergeant and/or commissar can replace his lasgun and/or close combat weapon with: power weapon or plasma pistol."

Just jumping in. I read the new Codex myself not too long ago, and frankly, I'm wondering why they didn't call it "Codex: Cadians". You really can't do anything other than Cadians.

Recklessfable wrote:"Most" really depends on what has gotten to you. I'm not saying this is something to go chase Orks with, but it is better than Ogryns (which cost around twice as much) and Rough Riders (which have to charge)

And far worse than a 60 point (or 65 point... can't remember the cost of a Heavy Bolter) unit that swarms the enemy. Power Weapons and Commissars? No. For basically the cost of your one single squad with the Commissar, bring two squads and swarm the enemy. Guard don't win with fancy weapons or over-priced lumps of meat and muscle. They win through Guardsmen. You send 40 Guardsmen into something it won't matter if 10 of them die before they swing - the other 30 still get to swing!!!

I will probably be taking one commissar per platoon, but they'll be bare bones and only there for when I want to merge squads. The last thing I want is to loose 30 guardmen to one assault.

tomguycot wrote:

Recklessfable wrote:El Sargento y/o el Comisario puede sustituir su rifle laser y/o su arma de cuero a cuerpo por:
Arma de Energia o pistola de plasma

So, am I reading this correctly that a Sergeant or Comissar can have a lasgun ("rifle laser")? It seems as if they would have to be equiped with one before they can start substituting it for plasma pistols or "Arma de Energia" which I assume is a laspitol.

You're reading it correctly, however Recklessfable didn't read the Codex correctly and has transcribed it wrong. The correct entry reads:

El Sargento y/o el Comisario pueden sustituir su pistola y/o su arma de cuerpo a cuerpo por:
Arma de Energia o pistola de plasma

It says "pistola", not "rifle laser". Same for the Platoon Command squad.

Thank you much. I can't believe people can actually make out the writing on that thing.

I found it funny that Recklessfable dropped a 'p' out of "cuerpo a cuerpo" making it mean something like "leather to body weapon"... a touch S&M there.

Ogiwan wrote:Just jumping in. I read the new Codex myself not too long ago, and frankly, I'm wondering why they didn't call it "Codex: Cadians". You really can't do anything other than Cadians.

Elaboratedorio, por favor?

JB wrote:We can talk about Robin's Cruddace's comments in the May White Dwarf or the announced price increases effective June 1st for some metal, plastic, and hobby product items.

I suppose I'll get around to taking a look, but I'm not at all hopeful.

Ahh, well, at least Apoc allows the older 3E and 4E IG Codices...

If your group's ok with it.

Otherwise, "official" apocalypse rules still require the most up-to-date codex.

Though a friend of mine and I did like making "special character" HQs from the old chaos codex in a megagame using the new one. They really do feel super special compared to the utter crap we get now.

i didnt bother to read the spanish translation-I have an english codex
p.96 The platoon commander and/or commissar may exchange his pistol and/or close combat weapon for:
boltgun
power weapon
plasma pistol
power fist
and thats for the command platoon hq
(sorry I will not give out points)

lord senobio wrote:i didnt bother to read the spanish translation-I have an english codex
p.96 The platoon commander and/or commissar may exchange his pistol and/or close-combat weapon for:
boltgun
power weapon
plasma pistol
power fist
and thats for the command platoon hq
(sorry I will not give out points)

Seeing as we're getting all anal about specifics we were actually referring to the Infantry Squad pg 97, which doesn't include the options for bolter or power fist:

The Sergeant and/or Commissar may exchange his pistol and/or close-combat weapon for:
Power weapon or plasma pistol

The Company Command Squad (which I'm assuming you're referring to in "command platoon hq") has slightly different options, primarily the fact that there is no Commissar upgrade in the Company Command Squad.

Is there no way we could hold games workshop hostage so that I.... um.... I mean we could get the codex sooner?? Anyone know if they have kids or a dog or something lads? LOL