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Hadn't seen these listed, apologies if they have been.

Warhammer 40k Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus (hardcover) retails for $75
Warhammer 40k Thousand Sons Magnus the Red Daemon Primarch of Tzeentch retails for $130
Warhammer 40k Thousand Sons Ahriman Arch-Sorcerer of Tzeentch retails for $40
Warhammer 40k Thousand Sons Tzaangors retails for $45
Warhammer 40k Thousand Sons Scarab Occult Terminators retails for $60
Warhammer 40k Thousand Sons Rubric Marines retails for $50
Warhammer 40k Thousand Sons Exalted Sorcerers retails for $60
Warhammer 40k Thousand Sons Dice (LIMITED) retails for $20

If you actually think for a second you'll realise theres LOADS of HUMANS in both universes too, ITS INSANE!
Beastmen appear in both is a problem? surely you jest

 mrhappyface wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

One formation even doubles the amount of horrors spawned from their colorful kin

OH THE HORROR! THE HUMANITY OF IT ALL!!!


2000pt list
200 Pink Horrors = 2600 Wounds (200 Pink Horrors, 800 Blue Horrors and 1600 Brimstone Horrors (If Brimstone are 2w each which I don't know if confirmed)).

Well according to the leak pink horrors are 90pts so it is 2650 wounds for 20 pink horrors.

I wonder if the smaller horrors will have brotherhood of psyker too: thats it, kill my pink horrors, you're only giving me more warp charge MWAHAHAHAHA!

Exalted Locus of Creation: Each time a Pink Horror in the bearer of the Loci’s unit dies, it creates 4 Blue Horrors instead of two. Blue Horrors subsequently split into two Brimstone Horrors….oh sweet baby Emperor of mankind, Pooor quuueeee?!?!

Also,Warhammer 40K Chaos Daemons Datacards are apparently a thing, and I hadn't those were going to exist, expecially after the rumors that the Genestealer Cult datacards were the final datacards to be made.

LightKing wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Tzangors are in AOS too

jesus christ how many of the same characters does 40k and AOS have....same chaos, same beastmen etc.

Everything in Codex Chaos Daemons, and all units from Codex Chaos Marines that are not futuristic.

that seems quite lazy to be honest that GW shares characters for both universes

They don't share Characters. Just units with the exception of named Daemons.

It has always been as such. Since like '87.

 adamsouza wrote:
Also,Warhammer 40K Chaos Daemons Datacards are apparently a thing, and I hadn't those were going to exist, expecially after the rumors that the Genestealer Cult datacards were the final datacards to be made.

Those are probably just the Daemons cards that were released alongside Curse of the Wulfen.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

LightKing wrote:
I heard a possibility that Black Library might retcon Sanguinius death....?

How?

The more pertinent question is "where" I feel.

If the answer is any more credible than "while I was asleep" I'll be surprised.

I'm not saying he's likely to be right or anything, but given what they've done with Vulkan, it's hardly impossible they'll also go batgak mental with Sanguinius.

Still, at this rate I suppose there will be one singular thing about the Iron Hands that no other Legion gets - Ferrus will be the only goddamn Primarch who actually is and stays dead.

Thousand Sons dice sold out in 10 minutes. Hooray.

Why do they produce so few?

 Yodhrin wrote:

I'm not saying he's likely to be right or anything, but given what they've done with Vulkan, it's hardly impossible they'll also go batgak mental with Sanguinius.

Sanquinius is already still around and has been for 2 editions. Read the Blood Angel codex.

Would be cool if they did a gun and chain sword sprue like that for porting regular beast men into 40k in all honesty. Other wise really 8nteresting how the tzzangors are 40k/aos. I would love to get the 40k bits from that kit from aos players.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Thousand Sons dice sold out in 10 minutes. Hooray.

9 minutes, couldn't log on the pc to pay - run downstairs, used the iPad and when paying the message "dice no longer available" came...

Why do they produce so few?

Ditto. Still got the limited edition book and Magnus.

Otherwise everything looks great and much of it will be on the x-mas wishlist.

I don't even see the sales up yet in the US store... I would like to get my Limited Edition book!

The Tzaangors thing is interesting indeed. AoS zombies (one day, pleaaase) with a sprue for plague zombies?

Bummer that you can't really see all 7 heads from the sorcerors sprue, I *really* need that vulture head, but I feel that it'll be hard to get as a bit and getting the whole box, I dunno. Too much Tzeentch stuff takung forever to get rid of for Word Bearers psykers.

 Sasori wrote:
I don't even see the sales up yet in the US store... I would like to get my Limited Edition book!

Start refreshing around 12:30pm EST. Preorders go live at 1pm, but stuff usually is showing up by then in the webstore.

So I look at the 'leaked' rules...

And go neat, neat, neat.

Then I look at Magnus. Oof, that's a pricy points cost. Oh hey, 2+ warp charges, no perils....tasty...ok, I can accept this....that sounds pretty damn good for a psyker.

Then I see that his 15 powers are the 2 Tzeentch Disciplines plus his own unique power.

Rip. Nevermind then.

I note that 1KSons squads get 1 heavy weapon per 10 Marines. Good to know that the real reason Magnus is attacking Fenris is to try and make the Wolves finally stick to the Codex Astartes, like all good Legions - traitor and loyalist alike - for some reason still stick to.

I mean really GW: Make it 1-in-9!

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Sanquinius is already still around and has been for 2 editions. Read the Blood Angel codex.

No. That's Space Jesus, and not Sanguinius.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
So I look at the 'leaked' rules...

And go neat, neat, neat.

Then I look at Magnus. Oof, that's a pricy points cost. Oh hey, 2+ warp charges, no perils....tasty...ok, I can accept this....that sounds pretty damn good for a psyker.

Then I see that his 15 powers are the 2 Tzeentch Disciplines plus his own unique power.

Rip. Nevermind then.

Eh, Change isn't horrible, I'd certainly rate it higher than Pyromancy or Telekinesis.
It's just a shame it's almost entirely Witchfires and Beams (except for that one Conjuration).

Hopefully the updated Tzeentch Discipline has more Blessings or Maledictions to balance it out (and have them not be terrible), otherwise we're going to have a model who psychic powers range from several low strength horde killers to Str D shots with basically nothing in between to bridge that gap and practically nothing to give him utility.

Still from Veterannoob.

The updated Tzeentch discipline.

OK, Tzaangors are 3s T4, I3, 1A, Ld 7 (Twistbray 8)

Tzeentch- summary since I can't copy paste - but that armor punching power we need.

primaris witchfire 24 SD6+1 blast inferno - can cause other hits only once.

Boon of muatation (1) blessing - chance for Chaos Boon table

Doombolt (1) S8 AP 1 vehicle killer

Siphon Magic (1) - take enemy's warp charges

Breath of Chaos (2) chance to glance

Baleful Devolution (2) - AP 2 killer, possible surprise for the corpse

Treason of Tzeentch (3) - malediction enemy fights itself.

Also i dunno if it is correct to asume this, but it says that he Knows all of Tzeentch and Change powers, he might still be able to generate powers in other disciplines?

We'll need a confirmation about this, but its a possibility.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I note that 1KSons squads get 1 heavy weapon per 10 Marines. Good to know that the real reason Magnus is attacking Fenris is to try and make the Wolves finally stick to the Codex Astartes, like all good Legions - traitor and loyalist alike - for some reason still stick to.

I mean really GW: Make it 1-in-9!

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Sanquinius is already still around and has been for 2 editions. Read the Blood Angel codex.

No. That's Space Jesus, and not Sanguinius.

Bjørn threatened rebellion if they had to stick to the Codex. So this attack means we get CHAOS WOLVES? Get Khârn on the astropath channel, he will want to get in on that Wulfen special rules stuff ASAP


PS: may I add how stupid the Sanguinor is? Let the mysterious saviour stuff be the LotD shtick, thank you very much, current hack writers.

PPS: Now I want a shoulder-mounted Heavy Bolter like the LotD squad had. Damn. I have Mordheim Amazonians to trade!

Models look nice, was planning on getting a couple of boxes, prices are about 40% or so too high for me, may get a box of marines to use with the current list but thats about it unless we see a "start collecting" box in the near future. (for what Magnus costs I can nearly get another Prospero box for example)

Rules I'm not too fussed one way or the other given how infrequently I play the game, but they do sound good for Apoc scale games where you have the points to run with it, and one assumes an armoured security van to carry the models.

Will see how it pans out, in the mean time will continue with Prosero and some metallic red/gold CSM who have a somewhat Thousand Sons theme to them

I'm looking at this thinking I'm likely just going to use Magnus with Daemons. As cool as the sons are, I much prefer the new Daemon rules.

Just need to know with Magnus' formation and trait do, and then start trying to save up for all the gosh darn horrors I'm apparently gonna need.

 adamsouza wrote:

Not soo much when you realize that AOS exists on a single planet inside the 40K universe

Uhhh. No.

Curious, with the value of the Pound, why don't US buyers just order from the UK store? It's just under $100 USD for Magnus there but predicted to be $130 in the US store?

 nintura wrote:
Curious, with the value of the Pound, why don't US buyers just order from the UK store? It's just under $100 USD for Magnus there but predicted to be $130 in the US store?

I don't think you can.

 Mymearan wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Curious, with the value of the Pound, why don't US buyers just order from the UK store? It's just under $100 USD for Magnus there but predicted to be $130 in the US store?

I don't think you can.

Then that would be some serious BS.

The Loci of Creation is probably one of the worst rules they've put out in a long time. A big problem in 40k is the time it takes to play a game, and now you can create 240 additional models for no damn reason? I gotta wonder if GW even played that in game.

Rest of the stuff looks fun but wow..

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Thousand Sons dice sold out in 10 minutes. Hooray.

Why do they produce so few?

Not too long ago they switched to a different inventory management methodology, where by they keep less product on hand to reduce warehousing costs and simply run the production line more frequently. The consequence is that volume on hand is more arbitrary and based on warehouse space for each product as opposed to producing excess so as to not run out but being left with product that might never sell. This is a contributing factor to why GW is willing to take a chance and release so many more kits and armies. In the past they'd release an army and if it didn't sell well they'd simply have to sit on the inventory until it was all gone, which would make them more reluctant to revisit that army. Dark Eldar for example, as I heard it, GW was still selling models from the first production run up until their first revamp. Similarly things like Catachans and Berzerkers which are so antiquated. That is a lot of money being tied up and inciting warehousing costs. With smaller production volumes a first run dries up in 6 months and if it doesn't it's such a relatively small number compared to what they would have had left before.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Thousand Sons dice sold out in 10 minutes. Hooray.

Why do they produce so few?

Not too long ago they switched to a different inventory management methodology, where by they keep less product on hand to reduce warehousing costs and simply run the production line more frequently. The consequence is that volume on hand is more arbitrary and based on warehouse space for each product as opposed to producing excess so as to not run out but being left with product that might never sell. This is a contributing factor to why GW is willing to take a chance and release so many more kits and armies. In the past they'd release an army and if it didn't sell well they'd simply have to sit on the inventory until it was all gone, which would make them more reluctant to revisit that army. Dark Eldar for example, as I heard it, GW was still selling models from the first production run up until their first revamp. Similarly things like Catachans and Berzerkers which are so antiquated. That is a lot of money being tied up and inciting warehousing costs. With smaller production volumes a first run dries up in 6 months and if it doesn't it's such a relatively small number compared to what they would have had left before.

Big difference is people actually WANT dice where as people didn't want terrible models like those mentioned. GW should be meeting demand better with these new products considering you're referencing events from 1998.

Yeah, GW should be taking a more tailored approach. Certain products do eventually come back. I'm pretty sure even dice sets have been rereleased after having sold out.

 Kirasu wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Thousand Sons dice sold out in 10 minutes. Hooray.

Why do they produce so few?

Not too long ago they switched to a different inventory management methodology, where by they keep less product on hand to reduce warehousing costs and simply run the production line more frequently. The consequence is that volume on hand is more arbitrary and based on warehouse space for each product as opposed to producing excess so as to not run out but being left with product that might never sell. This is a contributing factor to why GW is willing to take a chance and release so many more kits and armies. In the past they'd release an army and if it didn't sell well they'd simply have to sit on the inventory until it was all gone, which would make them more reluctant to revisit that army. Dark Eldar for example, as I heard it, GW was still selling models from the first production run up until their first revamp. Similarly things like Catachans and Berzerkers which are so antiquated. That is a lot of money being tied up and inciting warehousing costs. With smaller production volumes a first run dries up in 6 months and if it doesn't it's such a relatively small number compared to what they would have had left before.

Big difference is people actually WANT dice where as people didn't want terrible models like those mentioned. GW should be meeting demand better with these new products considering you're referencing events from 1998.

Well, with them being able to make money from the dice there's a good chance they'll see it and either re-release them in the future (more made for the Traitor Legions release), the new CSM edition and pump out more dice initially for the other Traitor Legions.

Then again, even if this is 'new' GW they work in weird, often self-hurting ways so who knows.