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I think maybe more Uriah Jacobus with the infamous one-handed shotgun.

Ogiwan wrote:A Priest can also get a shotgun.

5 more points gets you a whole squad of Guardsmen. I'd rather have a squad than a 45-point T3 W1 model with a BS3 S3 AP- Assault 2 Shotgun.

Scottywan82 wrote:I think maybe more Uriah Jacobus with the infamous one-handed shotgun.

When talking about one-handed shotguns, there can be only one:

Hmm...this codex is looking more and more like 'Codex: Grey Knights, Iron Hand Straken and Friends.'


The Primaris Psyker and the Grey Knights also sound like lots of fun!

Vladsimpaler wrote:Hmm...this codex is looking more and more like 'Codex: Grey Knights, Iron Hand Straken and Friends.'


The Primaris Psyker and the Grey Knights also sound like lots of fun!

I wouldn't say that, I think there are a few nice builds that I will by trying.

Another fun combo: Weaken Resolve - Divine Pronouncement. Even with all the Fearless troops out there, I think this combo is the Codex's Lash of Submission.

An inquisitor can be killed a lot more easily than a daemon prince, just toss a few spare bolter shots his way and he dies.
edit:typo

ph34r wrote:An inquisitor can be killed a lot more easily than a daemon prince, just toss a few spare bolter shots his way and he dies.
edit:typo

Well the Inquisitor is an Independent Character that you attach to the Psyker Battle Squad thats riding around in a Chimera.

Yeah, but then you are driving around with a bunch of t3 units within 18 (more like 14 given measuring from the hatch) of the enemy. You are quite at risk of being assaulted and wiped out.

*grin* I can imagine two psyker battle squads, each with a WH inq casting weaken resolve and hammer of the witches on eachother.

- "Burn, you demonspawn!"
- "No, you shall burn for fraternizing with the infernal powers!"
- "No, you burn!"
- "No, you!"
- "No, you!"
etc...
And the Overseer will kill 1d3 psykers for each Perils attack.

This combo could actually work against eldar Seercounsils on jetbikes. Maybe not so good if they are pimped with all the runes etc.


The psyker squad can also be put 6-12" from a culexus assassin to give him an Assault 11 gun, it will hurt the psyker squads Ld though.

Weaken resolve + Neural shredder could be fun as well. A bit situational, but it's an ap1 template, great fun for hunting deepstriking termies.

ph34r wrote:Yeah, but then you are driving around with a bunch of t3 units within 18 (more like 14 given measuring from the hatch) of the enemy. You are quite at risk of being assaulted and wiped out.

That's where player skill in movement and positioning comes in. The aim being to get the only enemy unit within range of your Chimera and can hurt it, to be the one that will be running away. I certainly hope players won't be driving lone Chimeras into the teeth of an opposing army just to pull off this trick, its not as point and click as Abbaddon + Berzerkers + Land Raider.

I will agree that it cuts the effective range of Weaken Resolve in half, but it does do a similar job as Lash of Submission, i.e. keeping dangerous assault units away.

So thinking of my 30 stormies I have sitting around, would it be better just to use them as vets with carapice and 3 assault weapons, or as actual Stormtroopers? I wouldn't mix and match so there'd be no confusion, but I'm leaning toward the vets option, as even with the carapice upgrade, they'd still be cheaper points wise and three assault weapons is always better than 2. And they're scoring units too.

Considering the price differences from just the naked squads, I'd go the Carapace Veterans route. You would even be able to afford at least one Valkyrie to offset the loss of Deep Strike, and still be cheaper than three ten-strong ST squads.

kadun wrote:

ph34r wrote:Yeah, but then you are driving around with a bunch of t3 units within 18 (more like 14 given measuring from the hatch) of the enemy. You are quite at risk of being assaulted and wiped out.

That's where player skill in movement and positioning comes in. The aim being to get the only enemy unit within range of your Chimera and can hurt it, to be the one that will be running away. I certainly hope players won't be driving lone Chimeras into the teeth of an opposing army just to pull off this trick, its not as point and click as Abbaddon + Berzerkers + Land Raider.

I will agree that it cuts the effective range of Weaken Resolve in half, but it does do a similar job as Lash of Submission, i.e. keeping dangerous assault units away.

I agree that it will be useful, but it's a fragile 3 KP unit with low range, which makes it not as good as a daemonprince. It also costs more.

I played a friendly 1500 point game against a deathwing army today, annihilation. It was brutal. I nearly tabled the guy, he conceded in turn 5.
short list:

CCS w/ 4 meltas in chimera
vets, 3 meltas, chimera
vets 3 meltas, chimera
Executioner, w plaz cannons and hb

punisher w/ tank dude & HB's (killed 3 marines)
squadroned w/ executioner all plaz

demolisher w/ MM's and LC

6 stormies w/ 2 meltas (deepstriking with a re-roll perfect scatter for a turn 2 Landraider kill! the 1st roll would have been ugly)

The game was table quarters, he set up 1st, I decided to hold everything in reserve. nearly everything hit in turn 2

I'd be more inclined to use the Choir to make enemies fail Pinning tests from barrages, that way I can keep them further back to live longer. Even with a few casualties, a 10-strong Choir can greatly increase the odds of non-Fearless troops being pinned. And if thus inclined, you can always Soulstorm them on the following turn.

Can someone remind me of the stats of the culexis' weapons? I'm intrigued by the choir-culexis combo suggested above, but as I don't use a culexis right now I can't remember his stats.

Kujo wrote:Can someone remind me of the stats of the culexis' weapons? I'm intrigued by the choir-culexis combo suggested above, but as I don't use a culexis right now I can't remember his stats.

Animus Speculum: Range 12", S5, AP1, Assault 2
+1 shot for each psyker within 12"
And the assassin is of course BS5, so most it's shots will hit.

Let me know if you play a game with it. It is purely theorycrafting from my side.

holy crap that's evil

So if I empty a chimera and put a culexis in it, then drive that chimera next to the psyker chimera, the choir will use its -Ld power while the culexis can use his 11-shot pistol of sickness out of his chimera's firepoint, right? He's like an anti-MEQ gatling gun.

Kujo wrote:So if I empty a chimera and put a culexis in it, then drive that chimera next to the psyker chimera, the choir will use its -Ld power while the culexis can use his 11-shot pistol of sickness out of his chimera's firepoint, right? He's like an anti-MEQ gatling gun.

I see a tiny problem with this scenario. Namely the Culexus special rule "Soulless". If you put him next to the Psykers, the Choir has an effective Leadership of 7. So you can´t count on them pulling any Psychic support ( like "Weaken resolve" ). But the huge number of shots you get for the assassin is still good.

EDIT: Holy crap. Post #1999 on this thread.

So, while old guard toys that never worked (ratlings? melee? stormtroopers?) still don't work, a whole bunch of new inquisition toys are now possible through side-effects of the dex?....

fate has dealt a strange hand indeed.

I forsee much wailing and gnashing of teeth when GW take away the ability to ally the two forces. My Grey Knight + Gaurd playing friend will be happy though.

The Culexis is eeeeeevil.

Grimaldi wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:I think maybe more Uriah Jacobus with the infamous one-handed shotgun.

When talking about one-handed shotguns, there can be only one:

But as there is no 40K undead army usefulness is somewhat diminished.

I know my old favorite tank has been relabeled "nerfhound" by this crowd, but I want to express dissent in its new title. My friend and I played a test game yesterday with the new IG codex, and my two hounds were in top form. 12" plus the template still gives an awful lot of options at range, and being fast lets me get a pretty wide array of shots in, with the option of only moving 6" and firing the heavy bolter also. The nicest change, in my opinion, was having the flame template always hit. Granted, it was pretty accurate before, but autohitting stuff out to 20" after moving the tank was very nice. I did have to be more careful with it when dealing with melta armed troops, but I didn't find it crippling.

The real problem with the Hound in the new Codex, however, is that the Griffon is back, it's effin' awesome, and it's cheap as dirt.

Ooooh! Anecdotal evidence. So tasty, yet so unfilling.

besides, it's not a shotgun. that's a "Boomstick"!!!

Biophysic wrote:
The real problem with the Hound in the new Codex, however, is that the Griffon is back, it's effin' awesome, and it's cheap as dirt.

This, I think, is going to be the hellhound's biggest problem since you can get two griffons for a little over the price of one hellhound. So far, I've managed to get one test game in with the new IG book and the griffons performed as expected and killed several squads of marines over the span of six turns and even caused several squads to be pinned (the -1 LD is pretty huge).

The one saving grace of the hellhound though is that it is a fast attack choice so if you max out your heavy support on other stuff you can still take some hellhounds. Personally though, I like the ability to fire from a safe distance and cause pinning (thus setting up any unit that you don't wipe out for more of the same on the next turn).

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ooooh! Anecdotal evidence. So tasty, yet so unfilling.

To be fair, to date nobody has presented any statistical evidence either.

Another Weaken Resolve - Divine Pronouncement trick:

pg. 46 BGB: Troops who are falling back automatically fail all Morale checks, except those to regroup.

pg. 45 BGB: Units make a fall back move immediately upon failing a Morale test.

So, Psyker Battle Squad + Inquisitor Lord + Inquisitor + Guns.

Weaken Resolve to drop Leadership of target unit to effecively 2.

Inquisitor Lord Divine Pronouncement to make target unit take a Leadership Test at 2, assume they fail test and fall back 2D6".

Inquisitor Divine Pronouncement to make target unit take a Leadership Test which they automatically fail and fall back another 2D6".

Shoot target squad just enough to do 25% casualties, at the end of the Shooting Phase target unit automatically fails leadership test and falls back another 2D6".

Fear of the Darkness, eat your heart out.

I'm also looking forward to Weaken Resolve -> 25% casualties -> charge with 10 Guardsmen to wipe out Nob Biker Squads

tomguycot wrote:

Biophysic wrote:
The real problem with the Hound in the new Codex, however, is that the Griffon is back, it's effin' awesome, and it's cheap as dirt.

This, I think, is going to be the hellhound's biggest problem since you can get two griffons for a little over the price of one hellhound. So far, I've managed to get one test game in with the new IG book and the griffons performed as expected and killed several squads of marines over the span of six turns and even caused several squads to be pinned (the -1 LD is pretty huge).

The one saving grace of the hellhound though is that it is a fast attack choice so if you max out your heavy support on other stuff you can still take some hellhounds. Personally though, I like the ability to fire from a safe distance and cause pinning (thus setting up any unit that you don't wipe out for more of the same on the next turn).

I'm still liking the idea of adding a multimelta to the Hellhound. With it being a fast vehicle, it's versitile as either anti infantry or anti tank.

And adding the heavy flamer to the chimera. Lots and lots of fire to make orks do the 'burney dance'.