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Yeah, that's a pretty cool idea. Don't think I've seen that done before.

IIRC the Deathwatch core rulebook goes something into the power armour itself and it does seem like the lenses retracting so the helmet could seal off stopping vacuum from killing the marine to prevent the marine from going into that self stasis.

I got one of them jewelery saws - they are great. Best thing since sliced bread. Like the helmet.

Thanks for the compliments on the mugs - Once I start getting the glazing done I will start a thread on it and peeps can make requests.

Great work, love the helmet idea!!

@ weety, I would love to see a thread on those mugs, they look amazing!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=14700020a

If you blow up the page from the Mantis Warriors, it is JUST big enough to read. Turns out your boys are White Scars successors...

Fifty wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=14700020a

If you blow up the page from the Mantis Warriors, it is JUST big enough to read. Turns out your boys are White Scars successors...

Lame. I liked the 'unknown gene-seed'

why white scars, didnt see that coming!

Fifty wrote:Turns out your boys are White Scars successors...

Why do GW feel the need to fill plot holes that don't need filling. The revelation of a parent chapter just limits peoples interpretation of events and constricts, to a certain degree, the element of personal inventiveness.

Agreed. Though, had they an army full of awesome conversions and attention to narrative detail, I think I would allow it. More like using "our" armies to fill in the fluff: so a particular waaagh is taking all the tournaments or a couple chapters have it out at a well publicized event, then filling in fluff with that would be cool, imo.

... eghem... excuse me. I'll be on my way now

Well I guess GW likes the idea on elminating those "unknown primarchs" that were the idea for the players to come up with their own ideas, but I guess we threw those pages out of those abundant space marine codexes we keep on getting.

Sounds promising!

So, Gits, it seems you'll have to turn to White Scars tactics now...

Buy lots of bikes & speeders, and scrap off those Dreads & footsloggers... LOL...

hu what white scars? you mean the mongolian warriors? so gw states that japanese have some mongolian organs in them oe thats nasty.

why its nasty becuase mongolian warlords have conquert the entire continent of asia except Japan.

sorry for the off topic rambling

Yggdrasil wrote:So, Gits, it seems you'll have to turn to White Scars tactics now...
Buy lots of bikes & speeders, and scrap off those Dreads & footsloggers... LOL...

It looks like the White Scars link is via an intermediate Chapter called the Marauders. Also, the record of this lineage is only recorded in a series of books that have been repressed and that many doubt is accurate.

Still. You can ignore anything you don't like, or just say that the White Scar link is false. The first Badab War book scrapped most of the RT era Red Scorpion information, including the red/black Angstrom pattern camo. Not that I'm going to stop painting up units with the scheme

When I first started contemplating my Mantis Warriors a good chuck of Forge World's staff were still in diapers... if that. I'll keep them as they are thank you.

Happy new year Gits, and all the best for 2011 to Mrs Gits and the things

You can keep the white scar background and still have your army be the way it is. Just because they are linked to the White scars doesn't mean they have to be exactly the same. The mantis warriors could enjoy the lightening attacks which the white scars pride themselves with, as well as the idea of the hunt, just the mantis warriors go about it differently, using drop pod assaults instead of outflanking bikes. It can still fit into the same concept.

or they had once been very white scar like, but now due to time and their crusade they have changed their tactics in order to save their meager resources. It can't be hard to turn their added fluff around to fit your needs!

+1 with Sageheart.

Plus although the mongol style of warfare was famed for the lightning raids. Genghis was far more versatile than that, he learned siegecraft, use of infantyry etc and often used troops from conquered nation states. This could work for the asian/ non-asian aspect i suppose

I think Gits will not need to change his fluff or style of gameplay at all and nor should he.

Don't get me wrong guys... I'll gladly welcome any fluff, models or interest that Forge World creates... I'm sure it'll generate more interest in the chapter and as a result other Mantis Warrior players will pop up... and if their fluff in neat and I can incorporate it into my own story... that's wonderful! But I don't feel the least bit bound by it. If I can use it I will, if I cant (or don't want to) I won't, and will not apologize for the choice.

As I've said before... the IA books are simply fan dexes... no more official than anything you or I would create (if they weren't you wouldn't have to ask permission of your opponent to use their rules... which is exactly the same as would happen if I made up my own rules). Besides, 40k has always had this nebulous idea of things barely under control or barely understood. In part, I think that's there to give we hobbyists the lee-way to interpret things as suits us best. Smart on the part of GW... I'll honor that by keeping my own vision clear regarding my chapter. But I do look forward to reading the IA and see what neat little things they come up with.

What I do know however... is that my figures will be cooler than anything they come up with. I've got both Blackhand & Pyriel sculps augmenting my marines... that's hard to beat.



And BTW... I finally finished the last of the gene stealers... so it's back to my MW's full-time!!

dantay_xv wrote: Plus although the mongol style of warfare was famed for the lightning raids. Genghis was far more versatile than that, he learned siegecraft, use of infantyry etc and often used troops from conquered nation states. This could work for the asian/ non-asian aspect i suppose

well yes thats right but Genghis made the same mistake twice as he used boats too coonquer japan that wernt build for the sea so his armada drowned he him self wass saved but some years later he tried again failing at the same point and drowned thats why he never conquered Japan. making it one of the few countries never to be conquered.

and Git your absolutly right power to the player

Its was Kublai Khan not Genghis Khan that invaded Japan twice. And although the majority of boats weren't suitable for the crossing large numbers still made it safely. At the first attempt the Mongols even encountered success as the Samurai of the Japanese attempted single combat. The second invasion fleet made the crossing as well but was all but destroyed by a typhoon (no not landspeeder ) off the Takashima coast, thus giving rise to the legend of the Divine Wind or Kamikaze.
Also Kublai didn't drown, some sources suggest that he was even contemplating a third invasion, only to be hindered by his advisers, and Genghis Khan died from either wounds received in battle or from a fall from his horse, historians are not sure which.

The sucessor chapter doesn't really apply in this instance. There is no wite scar official codex that I'm aware of. But for arguement sake.. it more logical that the MW come from a flexable " hit and run" chapter than some of the others.

as it is all fluff, there is nothing to that say the MW wasn't one unknowns of the first 20. just like them, I can make this stuff up as well. ; )

kEEP UP THE GOOD WORK BROTHER!

Well, I plan on reading the IA with great interest, and will also read whatever White Scar rules I can find (they're in the vanilla dex I think). Might well be able to roll that into my existing ideas with minimal disruption. I'm all for co-opting good ideas when I find them... heck, the blog is essentially a giant brain-picking operation. Be foolish to discount the IA ideas without giving them a good read through and some careful thought.

I will finally be back to working on my Mantis Warriors tonight. Thank heavens. Have already begun to pick out the pieces for making Brother Inushi and plan on finally finishing up the sergeant. Keep your fingers crossed... first day back to school for the kids might mean for a rough night of homework.

Um. You don't need to ask permission to use the IA books any more; you havn't for about 7 volumes. They have the 40K Expansion symbol on them now, so they are classed as canon... the last few have even put new items into normal codex lists

Really? That's news to me. In my experience that's certainly not the standard in this part of the U.S. Over here in the tournaments I've played in or had others tell me about... IA are not considered the same as GW rules & require your opponent's or the TO's permission to use... as a result, while you may see Forge World figures, you rarely see IA rules. Case-in-point: Adepticon in Chicago, one of the biggest midwestern events allows one team member out of 4 to use ONE (and only one) IA object (HQ, vehicle, etc) due to the perception that their rules are often poorly thought out and unbalanced. That could change in the future of course... but up 'till now this has been the attitude towards FW rules.

So while in the UK, IA might be considered cannon, it's not thought of that way here in our part of the States.

Lennysmash wrote:Its was Kublai Khan not Genghis Khan that invaded Japan twice. And although the majority of boats weren't suitable for the crossing large numbers still made it safely. At the first attempt the Mongols even encountered success as the Samurai of the Japanese attempted single combat. The second invasion fleet made the crossing as well but was all but destroyed by a typhoon (no not landspeeder ) off the Takashima coast, thus giving rise to the legend of the Divine Wind or Kamikaze.
Also Kublai didn't drown, some sources suggest that he was even contemplating a third invasion, only to be hindered by his advisers, and Genghis Khan died from either wounds received in battle or from a fall from his horse, historians are not sure which.

sorry about the name switching. but i saw this documantry where they found the main boat and all in the Japanese sea thats why they concluded that he drowned.

sotty Git for the hijack back on topic.

i think its very smart of you not too exclude anything it keeps the mind fresh if you first read and think about something than to just say anything

No apologies necessary fatty, I enjoy it when the thread gets it's own legs. As long as the topics discussed are at least obliquely relevant, I'm good!

Well that page on the gw site said they were ambush fighters majority of the time it never mentioned anything about them using bikes as a main force. From what little i know about the mauraders they dont use bikes anymore then other chapters

White Scars dont have a "Codex", but fluff wise are a fast moving bike and Land Speeder heavy chapter. A lot of players actually use the DA codex with the HQ allowing Bikes to be troop choices.

Ive been to some Tournys where IA was allowed, but for the most part its only by permission (at least in my area). Its largely because most players are not familiar with the IA rules, and thus are perceived as being unfair. And to be fair, some of it is (Lusicous Drop Pods) but some sucks (Land Raider Helios).

Just stick with how you want your MW's to be, while they may be of white scar stock, it doesnt mean they must follow the white scars tactics, like a wussy ultramarine.
They can develop their own traits while sticking to Jaghtai's overall (shamanistic) beliefs. THAT is what I am enjoying with this.

Gits started the MW's with a vision of how he perceived them and even with this WS stuff he can stay true to his vision of how he wants them. Not that he should change it anyways.

In Mongol trerms the great leader were given unoits of 10,000 to lead which many did from their horse. However they always relied on scouts who were quite often veterans.... which would quite easily be the tranquility vets.
Also early on when Genghis came to meet the Chin he found newer and better armour than their own, and this got adopted by the cavalry and elite units (TD armour or revered relic armour from great heroes could be used here)
The Chin and some newer conquered city states provided infantry aswell as some cavalry which got trained up by the mongols. (these would be your new recruits bulking out your tacticals and some assault units)
So in some ways the Mongols would be a good fit and the name scheme would also fit.... maybe falchions instead of katana for the more rank and file to show the status of unit leaders and vets who have the katanas??

I have never played a tourney so no comment on the IA stuff.

As a side note CONN IGGULDEN wrote a great trilogy of books based on Temujin (Genghis' true name) Khan from early childhood till his death detailing his major battles, it ialso involves others such as his sister and brothers who were influential throughout his life. It has kinda inspired me to begin a white scars army (the wolves of the plains) if and when
Sorry for the hijack I get my sw's done