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CSM possibly getting LatD/Cultists back? Now that is interesting.

As long as the Chaos Dread isn't only available in the starter kit (like Ork Deff Koptas are now) and they get a full proper plastic Dread when the 'Dex comes out, then it'll be fine.

But I've had my fingers burnt too many times with Chaos, so I'll believe "Cultists/Mutants" when I see it.

I'm really curious what they are going to do for the DA dex, to make it somewhat unique. It seems like almost everything they can do now, other codexes can do better.

Starter set being DA vs CSM sounds interesting.

Wasn't there a rumor somewhere or other that the GW writers couldn't figure out what to do with Dark Angels? Won't to rumored (and likely) change to Preferred Enemy make Black Templars very overpowered? I like Blood of Kittens and TastyTaste, but I don't think I'll put my bets on this leak.

Here's my (uninformed) speculations:

1). Black Templar released, because it's next in line;
2). Sixth edition will follow, based on the leak Tastytaste has disavowed, because it's so professional and so similar to the eighth edition Fantasy Battles;
3). The box set will be Necron vs. Black Templar;
4). Tau will be released, because its next in line.

Odds?

@Experiment 626

I have to disagree. It's not unprecedented for an army to be put on the back burner for 7 years and 2 editions for an update. So, right now I fear that some of my favorite armies, CSM, Tau and Eldar are going to get marginalized.

Oh well at least I still have my Guard...

H.B.M.C. wrote:As long as the Chaos Dread isn't only available in the starter kit (like Ork Deff Koptas are now) and they get a full proper plastic Dread when the 'Dex comes out, then it'll be fine.

But I've had my fingers burnt too many times with Chaos, so I'll believe "Cultists/Mutants" when I see it.

Agreed. A plastic Dread in the starter is great, and I'm actually really excited about that, but we better get a proper Chaos Dreadnought kit as well. Perhaps we'll see a generic Black Legion style starter box Dread and a full kit with legion-specific bits in a separate box.

Sasori wrote:I'm really curious what they are going to do for the DA dex, to make it somewhat unique. It seems like almost everything they can do now, other codexes can do better.

Starter set being DA vs CSM sounds interesting.

There's still room for plenty of extras. Keeping the whole current mix and match of regular and assault terminator weapons is a must (but SW also have that albeit for more points) and so is the Deathwing 1st turn deep strike assault. They could easily spin the fluff of having more gear than most chapters/legions into giving Deathwing termies 2 heavy weapons per 5 man squad ala 3rd edition terminators. Finally, there's some more accurate deepstriking via independent teleport homers (like the SW cyberbirds runepriests get or GK cyberskulls) placed on the table prior to deployment... preferred enemy for Deathwing towards an Independent character and, if attached, to the squad he's currently joined with. Those are just a few off the top of my head for Deathwing.

Wonder if they'll use generic terminators (99% likely) or ones with DA iconography regardless of how sparse (1%). Some DA terminators could push me over the edge and into getting a deathwing army.

I could see the set being Deathwing vs. this sort of mixed Chaos army, just to illustrate the difference between elite units, hordes, and REALLY elite units.

Sasori wrote:I'm really curious what they are going to do for the DA dex, to make it somewhat unique. It seems like almost everything they can do now, other codexes can do better.

Starter set being DA vs CSM sounds interesting.

Wait, if that's the case, then does that mean the DA will become the GW posterboys?
That would be an interesting change.

I mean, the DA are a hell lot more badass than Ultrasmurfs.

Wait, if that's the case, then does that mean the DA will become the GW posterboys?
That would be an interesting change.

I mean, the DA are a hell lot more badass than Ultrasmurfs.

Other chapters have been in the limelight before.

Rouge Trader was Crimson Fists:



2nd Edition was Blood Angels v. Orks I think?



3rd Edition was Black Templars:



4th and 5th were both Space Marines, so a whole 40% of 40K Rulebooks/Boxed sets have featured Ultramarines, but everybody is all "Herp Derp, GW is allways Ultramarines".

Dark Angels have not been featured in a boxed set, so it is something I can see happening.

Kroothawk wrote:
Summary:
Starter Set includes Dark Angels vs. Chaos. Chaos includes CSM, some traitor guard/cultists and a CSM deadnought.

I am wary of how GW-produced traitor guard/cultists will look, but a plastic CSM Dread *IN* the Big Black Box, makes me much, much more likely to buy 6th. Better start some more wheeling and dealing so I can justify to the wife setting aside the cash for it...

Can't wait to see what the Dread looks like.

So long as Jarvis isn't writing Dark angels again. I could potentially see the book turning out good.

Although I don't think Dark Angels are next, I DO really want to see how they make them work. It's a tall order to give them an unique set of attributes as standard the rule mechanics and their fluff.

d-usa wrote:
4th and 5th were both Space Marines, so a whole 40% of 40K Rulebooks/Boxed sets have featured Ultramarines, but everybody is all "Herp Derp, GW is allways Ultramarines".

Dark Angels have not been featured in a boxed set, so it is something I can see happening.

My best guess is, that many users who write that kinda stuff about the Ultramarines are in fact too young for the old editions before 4th. That would at least explain most of that cr..

Okay enough rant, I'm honest, I don't believe the traitor guards thing. Chaos can't use them until the next Codex comes out and I don't hink, that GW would make molds for Miniatures, that can't be used properly in the "open game" far from the maybe story-campaign in the Starter Box.
So, proper Traitor Guards - yes but not until the new Chaos Codex.

Talliostro wrote:Okay enough rant, I'm honest, I don't believe the traitor guards thing. Chaos can't use them until the next Codex comes out and I don't hink, that GW would make molds for Miniatures, that can't be used properly in the "open game" far from the maybe story-campaign in the Starter Box.
So, proper Traitor Guards - yes but not until the new Chaos Codex.

Don't forget that if, as rumoured, the Chaos codex is due out soon after 6th Ed, that should put it for release before the starter box release...

thunderingjove wrote:Although I don't think Dark Angels are next, I DO really want to see how they make them work. It's a tall order to give them an unique set of attributes as standard the rule mechanics and their fluff.

Well when the Space Wolves was coming out did we really expect Wolf Riders? Did we really expect anything like Jaws of the White Wolf (or is it World Wolf?). Same for Blood Angels. Did we expect D/S Landraiders or what ever they got.

I don't think DA will be having Riding Loins or anything like that but they will have something unextpected that nobody will be expecting that will make them unique.

Ugh, Dark Angels.

I don't understand why GW can't release a box set without Imperial Space Marines. CSM vs. IG would have been an excellent combination.

Yes, yes, I know, posterboys and all that.

acekevin8412 wrote:@Experiment 626

I have to disagree. It's not unprecedented for an army to be put on the back burner for 7 years and 2 editions for an update. So, right now I fear that some of my favorite armies, CSM, Tau and Eldar are going to get marginalized.

Oh well at least I still have my Guard...

Going by the latest rumors, Tau & Eldar won't be untill 2013 at the earliest, so that does indeed put them in the 7-8+ year cycle. Chaos meanwhile is being touted as the 'main evil-doers' focus of 6th and are rumored to be coming out latter this year as evidenced in this thread.
I highly doubt we'll get the final 6 armies that need updating without at least one or two of the other books like Codex: Smurfs thrown into the mix first, but we should hopefully see the likes of Tau, Eldar, Orks, Black Templars and the like getting the 6th ed treatment before the likes of say Blood Angels or Space Puppies.

40k codicies aren't in nearly the same poop-fest that Fantasy books currently are. While some armies may be suffering due to recent releases, it's not like any book has as of yet, become completely unplayable! (unlike what happened to undead when 8th came out)

Dark Angels vs. a possible CSM/Traitor Guard mix sounds like a possible answer to the initial complaints of being a PA v. PA box and both armies playing similar.

i think an important portion of the box set is that the two armies play differently so that you can learn the different aspects of the rules and have some variety. 5th Edition had a shooty and elite army facing of against a horde assault focused army.

With the rumored setup you can have a very elite Deathwing or a highly mobile Ravenwing (although my money is on Deathwing hunting down a Fallen) vs. a mix of PA CSM and horde traitor guard. This would pack an interesting mix of play styles and unit types in one box. Maybe the CSM are raptors just to add another unit type in the mix.

catharsix wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
Summary:
Starter Set includes Dark Angels vs. Chaos. Chaos includes CSM, some traitor guard/cultists and a CSM deadnought.

I am wary of how GW-produced traitor guard/cultists will look

Why? FW traitor guard are very good looking fellows. Relatively speaking.

Unless you're afraid of Cadiafication.

So I start a DA army with the prospect of having my DW for a bit... only to now find out that I may have to rework it :( Well, at least the painting has yet to commence. Bring on the DA!

Clarification by Hastings:

75hastings69 wrote:Having re-read this thread I want to point out that I am only confirming the starter as DA vs chaos NOT the DA & CSM codex release dates. The next 40k releases are :- 'nids, SW, necrons (all models only no codex)

My point exactly - I doubt DA will get a Codex before Templars. Harry's seen the models, and other sources have "confirmed" that they're coming soon (even if the specifics they delivered weren't accurate). I'm betting on Black Templars as the next Codex.

Has he????
I'll take that bet
(...)
BTW I'd also like to say the "leaked" 6th is a crock of **** an elaborate and well written crock but a crock non the less.

Also:

Ericthegreen wrote:My source says Tau, Templars, Chaos and Eldar books. Nothing about DA other than DA being in the box with Chaos (because Chaos will have cultist and renegade options as well as their marines).

Then again, my source also calls BS on the rules leak being official. He says from what he's seen, they're not near 6th at all. And as I know he's had sight of the rules for 6th and the above books, I'm inclined to believe him.
(...)
I still see no rumours that say Dark angels book. All my sources say Chaos and Eldar as the first 2 books of 6th ed.

Talliostro wrote:

d-usa wrote:
4th and 5th were both Space Marines, so a whole 40% of 40K Rulebooks/Boxed sets have featured Ultramarines, but everybody is all "Herp Derp, GW is allways Ultramarines".

Dark Angels have not been featured in a boxed set, so it is something I can see happening.

My best guess is, that many users who write that kinda stuff about the Ultramarines are in fact too young for the old editions before 4th. That would at least explain most of that cr..

Yeah, that's true. I joined during 4th ed, and since then it appeared to me that it was always about the Ultras. I had no idea that Black Templars were once the posterboys.
Question is though, did these other chapter receive as much flak as the ultramarines? I mean, I have yet to see an insult for BT, CF and BA.

Oooh, if it's around the 500 pt per army mark, that could be something lovely like...

A DA independent character (probably a Company Master -- equivalent to a C:SM Captain)

A 5-man Deathwing squad

A 3-man Ravenwing squad

vs

Chaos Lord

5-man CSM squad

Chaos Dreadnought

10-man or 15-man Traitor Guard squad

I would buy at least one box.

I have been planing on building a Nurgle Traitor Guard and just play them with the IG codex, but rumors of this new Chaos Codex has me excited.

Sasori wrote:I'm really curious what they are going to do for the DA dex, to make it somewhat unique. It seems like almost everything they can do now, other codexes can do better.

Starter set being DA vs CSM sounds interesting.

To paraphrase a wise man:

Warhammer in the 401st Century is the exciting game of Space Marines versus other Space Marines, who are painted a different color. Will the dress-wearing Space Marines overcome the spike-wearing Space Marines? Will the bike-riding Space Marines defeat the fat and gross Space Marines, or will the feather-wearing Space Marines win it all? Only you can decide!

Kroothawk wrote:Hastings statements on the starter box:

75hastings69 wrote:

which will give some credibility to the rumor of the 6th ED starter being DA vs Chaos

Interesting

Fingers crossed...DA's and CSM.

Not "just" CSM

Demons too?

No

Cultists / Traitor Guardsmen perhaps?

Glad to see you back in rumor-mongery, Hastings.

Not back in, just lending credence to this as I know it's correct.

No, there are rumors that may be complete fabrications about BT, Tau, Eldar, and Chaos. Strangers on the net don't trump White Dwarf.

Agreed (etc. etc.)

I wouldn't think that these are the entirety of this year's possible releases - books perhaps, but I'd be surprised if there weren't one or two waves.

Correct (ish )
(...)
I don't know if the spine images are anything to do with DA, 6th starter or the 25th year of 40k but I do know that most of the stuff posted is correct. 6th starter does indeed feature DA and the forces of chaos, including a nice plastic chaos dread

Kroothawk wrote:Clarification by Hastings:

75hastings69 wrote:Having re-read this thread I want to point out that I am only confirming the starter as DA vs chaos NOT the DA & CSM codex release dates. The next 40k releases are :- 'nids, SW, necrons (all models only no codex)

My point exactly - I doubt DA will get a Codex before Templars. Harry's seen the models, and other sources have "confirmed" that they're coming soon (even if the specifics they delivered weren't accurate). I'm betting on Black Templars as the next Codex.

Has he????
I'll take that bet
(...)
BTW I'd also like to say the "leaked" 6th is a crock of **** an elaborate and well written crock but a crock non the less.

Also:

Ericthegreen wrote:My source says Tau, Templars, Chaos and Eldar books. Nothing about DA other than DA being in the box with Chaos (because Chaos will have cultist and renegade options as well as their marines).

Then again, my source also calls BS on the rules leak being official. He says from what he's seen, they're not near 6th at all. And as I know he's had sight of the rules for 6th and the above books, I'm inclined to believe him.
(...)
I still see no rumours that say Dark angels book. All my sources say Chaos and Eldar as the first 2 books of 6th ed.

So DA vs chaos is pretty solid for the starter set.
But pre-6th ed mostly 2nd wave releases and no codices? Because this here reads like we don't have any codices close to release date yet.

January. VC - whfb
February LoTR
March, april, may, june , july = 4 months on the way to 6th ed.
If we have 4 codices WIP or ready ( BT, Tau , chaos , Eldar ) and some missing models of missing 2nd waves, I'd prefer to get the waves first and the codices properly as 6th ed release.
There would be another fantasy release in this, yes? So 1 month of 2nd waves , 1 for whfb , and the schedule is filled to a point where 2 codices before 6th hits aren't likely. Chaos could replace the vanilla dex as first dex. The other 3 don't have strong rumors to "see" them coming soon IMO. Maybe a 2nd second wave and something dedicated to the 25th anniversary to fill the gaps?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Talliostro wrote:

d-usa wrote:
4th and 5th were both Space Marines, so a whole 40% of 40K Rulebooks/Boxed sets have featured Ultramarines, but everybody is all "Herp Derp, GW is allways Ultramarines".

Dark Angels have not been featured in a boxed set, so it is something I can see happening.

My best guess is, that many users who write that kinda stuff about the Ultramarines are in fact too young for the old editions before 4th. That would at least explain most of that cr..

Yeah, that's true. I joined during 4th ed, and since then it appeared to me that it was always about the Ultras. I had no idea that Black Templars were once the posterboys.
Question is though, did these other chapter receive as much flak as the ultramarines? I mean, I have yet to see an insult for BT, CF and BA.

To insult a BT and live? unlikely....
The BT were just basic marines in the starter set and the templar cross added to the decal sheet like some others ( white scars, Sallies, IF, etc etc ) and you got a new xeno army: Dark Eldar. B T got a nice illustration and a place on the decal sheet. Nothing would hinder you from painting the "newly" bought marines the way you wanted.
Compare this to ultramarine heavy starter sets, spearhead boxes, codices covered in ultramarines...in 3rd ultras weren't Teh marines, just one of them.

Anything that brings my first and favorite army back to playability I'm all for, even more so after the rumors that they where going to be special-charactered into the next vanilla marine dex.

However, I have been hurt before over this army, and my current fears of the army being even worse than before or being so OP that no one would want to play against them still has me on edge.

We shall see.

EDIT: As a side note, I can't help but feel that the only reason that we are seeing the Dark Angel on the WD is that they are just going to have every legion represented for some big event, maybe a Horus Hersey codex or something. And the DA is first because of their legion number.

Just a guess