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Joey wrote:

CrashCanuck wrote:It works extremely well for GKs if you have a Librarian in them for the Shrouding power. One of my SRs has yet to be shot down due to the 3+ cover gained from flat out movement and Shrouding. I prefer taking them over LRs.

As long as you don't get within 12" of plasma vets. Or anywhere near a hydra (even with cover you're looking at 1 damage result from two hydras firing). I don't trust anything that can fall to S7 when there's so much of it on the board, especially Guard.

They laughed at me for choosing Hydras against Grey Knights, I laughed are there burning corpses fell out of the sky.

martin74 wrote:I am surprised some sort of errata hasn't been put out yet for that. Sales have to be slumping off the storm raven, seeing as how only two armies currently field them. That would be the only reason GW would add that to the normal marine Codex.

Slumping?

The two primary armies played are GK's and BA's.

I believe there is a guy out there selling Stormraven expander kits. Basically allowing you to stretch your Stormraven, they look alot better when they are made a little longer.


Either way, they are going to become Flyers when 6th edition hits. Only get hit on 6s except from AA, must move a certain distance each turn or crash...

Of course you can also just field your Thunderhawk instead if you want since Super Heavies look set to be legal in regular games.

God I hope to the Allfather it happens

Sorta'. In that they need a flyer, but I don't know as to whether the Stormraven is the right route, as in the fluff it says that only the Blood Angels and Grey Knights use 'em.

I voted NO, primarily because I think the storm ravens should remain unique to the Blood Angels and Grey Knights. I think SM should have a flyer, but not the storm raven.

From expierience, wolves with Ravens are sick.

I'd like a land speeder and drop pods personally for GK once everyone gets a storm raven

No! But they're going to get it anyways.

Yes, because it is one of the coolest models GW released in the last 10 years or so and I'd love to see mine "legalized" for my boys in blue.

The carriongod's finest should be spared from that ugly abomination, after all, they still have to suffer the Thunderfire Cannon.

I would be happy with a White Dwarf article that makes it legal for all marines of all sorts, so I can use one or two for my Space Wolves. It makes sense they would have it, what with the association of vikings with longboats.

No. Blood Angels and Grey Knights should only have them.

No. Salamanders and Blood Ravens should only have them.

No. What's the point in having a load of different SM books if they all include exactly the same units?!

That said, I expect that they will be in the 6th ed C:SM book. I just don't think they should be.

Gorechild wrote:No. What's the point in having a load of different SM books if they all include exactly the same units?!
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What is the point of having a load of different SM books if you don't capitalize on the ability to multi-use kits across different books and expand the overall number of available armies (and thereby overall variety of the game) with comparatively little investment in design, production or shelf-space?

Zweischneid wrote:

Gorechild wrote:No. What's the point in having a load of different SM books if they all include exactly the same units?!

What is the point of having a load of different SM books if you don't capitalize on the ability to multi-use kits across different books and expand the overall number of available armies (and thereby overall variety of the game) with comparatively little investment in design, production or shelf-space?

To make every army visually individual and play differently? How is there more 'overall variety of the game' if half of the codecies all contain the same models? At the moment, the Stormraven is one of the few things that really makes BA's (and to a lesser extent GK) stand out.

Note that I said I expect them to be in the SM dex, and that is because of the reasons you mentioned, because GW will be able to make easy money on an already designed and produced kit. That would probably be the right answer in a "Do you think the next Space Marine Codex will include the Stormraven?" thread, but alas, that isn't what this thread is about.

There is quite abit of difference between a GK stormraven and a BA one.

the BA one has Bloodstrike missiles which are > Mindstrike missiles

the GK one can get Psybolts and has Fortitude


I am sure they could find some way to differentiate a Smurf one too.

Should or should not is irrelevant.

It will be in the next codex because GW is in business to sell miniatures and this one is fairly popular.

No, should or should not is what I'm asking with this poll and topic...

And it's still irrelevant. It will be in the next Space Marine codex. Nothing you can do to stop it, so why worry about it?

Just because something may or may not be inevitable doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed.
I don't ask this in regards to whether it WILL be in the next Codex, but whether players WANT it to be.
This is why:

I don't understand what you're trying to show me with that picture.

Are you making your own codex or something?

Yes. Simple as that really.
I've made some before and I'm now going to do the Space Marines and I created this poll in order to help me gauge whether I should include the Stormraven or not...*

*As for me, it's not a simple business decision, which (I completely agree) it is (and should be) for GW.

Gorechild wrote:
To make every army visually individual and play differently? How is there more 'overall variety of the game' if half of the codecies all contain the same models? At the moment, the Stormraven is one of the few things that really makes BA's (and to a lesser extent GK) stand out.

Note that I said I expect them to be in the SM dex, and that is because of the reasons you mentioned, because GW will be able to make easy money on an already designed and produced kit. That would probably be the right answer in a "Do you think the next Space Marine Codex will include the Stormraven?" thread, but alas, that isn't what this thread is about.

Death Company, Death Company Dreads, Fast Rhino-based tanks, Jump Infantry as troops, Sanguinary Priests, Jump Infantry Command Squads. Sanguinary Guard, Librarian Dreads, Blood-Angel unique psychic powers, Red Rage special rules, DoA special rules, loads of unique special characters, etc.. .

There's buckets of stuff that make Blood Angels unique and that clearly belong with "Blood Angels only!". Same can definitly be said for Grey Knights. However, flyers being rolled out to most armies in the game isn't something that seems to be unique to these armies. Just because there are some things that are currently in a few codexes that would be great if available more widely, doesn't mean all differences get hammered out. You're clearly overreacting.

So, assuming that a) Blood Angels and Grey Knights remain distinct armies (Death Company, Dreadknights, etc..), b) all 40K armies are gonna get some Flyer sooner or later, c) it would be good to see Stormraven being rolled out to all Marines.

I would actually prefer it to be the Stormraven, because a) it's a brilliant model and the fugly DarkWingDuck-flyer DE got shows that GW cannot always be relied on to produce a hit, and b) I'd rather they pour their energies into Ork, Nid, Necron, Tau, whathaveyouflyer than design 20 different flyers for Space Marines who now already have an absolutely brilliant kit.

Just Dave wrote:Yes. Simple as that really.
I've made some before and I'm now going to do the Space Marines and I created this poll in order to help me gauge whether I should include the Stormraven or not...*

I got you, now.

Zweischneid wrote:

Gorechild wrote:
To make every army visually individual and play differently? How is there more 'overall variety of the game' if half of the codecies all contain the same models? At the moment, the Stormraven is one of the few things that really makes BA's (and to a lesser extent GK) stand out.

Note that I said I expect them to be in the SM dex, and that is because of the reasons you mentioned, because GW will be able to make easy money on an already designed and produced kit. That would probably be the right answer in a "Do you think the next Space Marine Codex will include the Stormraven?" thread, but alas, that isn't what this thread is about.

Death Company, Death Company Dreads, Fast Rhino-based tanks, Jump Infantry as troops, Sanguinary Priests, Jump Infantry Command Squads. Sanguinary Guard, Librarian Dreads, Blood-Angel unique psychic powers, Red Rage special rules, DoA special rules, loads of unique special characters, etc.. .

There's buckets of stuff that make Blood Angels unique and that clearly belong with "Blood Angels only!". Same can definitly be said for Grey Knights. However, flyers being rolled out to most armies in the game isn't something that seems to be unique to these armies. Just because there are some things that are currently in a few codexes that would be great if available more widely, doesn't mean all differences get hammered out. You're clearly overreacting.

So, assuming that a) Blood Angels and Grey Knights remain distinct armies (Death Company, Dreadknights, etc..), b) all 40K armies are gonna get some Flyer sooner or later, c) it would be good to see Stormraven being rolled out to all Marines.

I would actually prefer it to be the Stormraven, because a) it's a brilliant model and the fugly DarkWingDuck-flyer DE got shows that GW cannot always be relied on to produce a hit, and b) I'd rather they pour their energies into Ork, Nid, Necron, Tau, whathaveyouflyer than design 20 different flyers for Space Marines who now already have an absolutely brilliant kit.

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Far Seer wrote:I voted NO, primarily because I think the storm ravens should remain unique to the Blood Angels and Grey Knights. I think SM should have a flyer, but not the storm raven.

QTF

I love the Stormraven, but one of the reasons why I like it is because not everyone has one.

Zweischneid wrote:


I would actually prefer it to be the Stormraven, because a) it's a brilliant model

1: We are talking about the stormraven, right?

2: Yes, I'd like to see xenos flyers too. I agree wholehearteld with your other points, but truly feel the SR is the ugliest kit G have put out in a long time.

Alright, OT, no Stormraven for vanilla Space Marines, IMHO. Land speeder tempest, I;d rather see the Stormraven as unique to GK and BA.
In other news, I'm working on slimming my Stormraven down (removing the top turret and vent helps a lot).

I don't mind if they put it in the codex because i don't collect them!