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Well tehcnically speaking vehicles are models so that would make you right.

Would it remove terrain?

<--- not an ork player.

Well terrain unlike vehicles is never classified as a model, anywhere.

Few more for Necrons I didn't see up there on the first page...

You are only denied WBB if the shot is 2x your toughness. Therefore, T4 models are only denied by S8 shots, not S9 or S10. Strength D does not deny WBB.

Downed Necrons are only removed if they fail a roll to stand back up. If 10 Warriors are knocked down with no Warriors within 6 inches at the start of the Necron player's turn, they stay on the table until, at the beginning of some future turn, they become eligible to make their roll.

RobPro wrote:Downed Necrons are only removed if they fail a roll to stand back up. If 10 Warriors are knocked down with no Warriors within 6 inches at the start of the Necron player's turn, they stay on the table until, at the beginning of some future turn, they become eligible to make their roll.

That's a perfectly legitimate way of playing Necrons! (Rules interpretation to the contrary backed up only by a retracted FAQ entry, *rant* *rant* *rant*)

Robin Cruddace wanted to let Nid players take units of Carnifexes, but didn't want them to abuse rule allocation like every other rock unit. In order to avoid it, he included the following note:

"All Carnifexes in the brood must have the same options."

Well, of course they all have the same options. It's not like one has the options in the Carnifex entry and another has the options in the Biovore entry.

I'm sure he meant that all Carnifexes must take the same options, but, well...

Silly Cruddace.

Hey, Thanks for this thread. The reading has been amusing

Got one for you. White dragon and a bunch of others will be angry about me letting this one out of the bag. I can't believe the Tau codex has been around since '05 and I was the first to notice after four years.

Here we go,

Tau Battlesuits have their own "Armoury". In the armoury there are the three different sections of:
1)Battlesuit Weapons
2)Battlesuit Support Systems
3)Battlesuit Wargear

States in the rules that, "Any model with access to the Battlesuit Armoury may take up to 100 points from the Battlesuit Wargear List."

This means that the Battlesuit Weapons and Support systems do not count towards the 100 pt total

Again I refer you to the, "Any model with access to the Battlesuit Armoury may take up to 100 points from the Battlesuit Wargear List." line.

This is where it gets fun.

Drones are Wargear

Under the drone rules there is no modification that requires the battlesuit to be equipped with a drone controller in order to purchase drone.

Under the Drones Section it specifies that, "Drones under the command of a drone controller are counted when assessing if the unit should have to take a morale check having taken 25% casualties."

The Drone Controller rule in the wargear section is what actually limits the number of drones to two per model.

By Raw, any battlesuit with access to the armoury and wargear section can purchase a 100 pts of drones and the drones casualties won't effect moral.

There are other problems in thw Battlesuit armoury but I felt that it was time for this to see the light of day.

Have fun


P.S.- The same wording is in effect for the Tau infantry and the 100 pt limit lends to the thought that they were originally designed with this in mind.

Ah focusedfire, I remember your Rants about the Tau Codex from the good old days

*5 Drones

these may be wrong

ANY termagant unit, including enemy termagants, will use a tervigon's leadership, benefits from it's biomorphs, and takes a hit if the tervigon is killed, if they are within 6" of it.

additionally, enemy units will not scatter if placed within 6" of a lictor using deep strike

also (a stretch, this one) an enemy tyranid player will benefit from the +1 to reserve rolls via Pheremone trail; it merely says The Tyranid player, not the controlling player

Ashtaroth by that logic any space marine unit with combat tactics would benefit from Marneas Calgars choose to pass fail rule including possible enemy BLOOD ANGELS units. Not sure it is correct though.

Ashtaroth: Army special rules only affect enemy units if the rule specifically says so. Covered in the Rulebook FAQ.

insaniak wrote:Ashtaroth: Army special rules only affect enemy units if the rule specifically says so. Covered in the Rulebook FAQ.

gah, as i expected. that being said i'm not particularly up to date with the FAQ's or errata. thanks for the correction

focusedfire wrote:By Raw, any battlesuit with access to the armoury and wargear section can purchase a 100 pts of drones and the drones casualties won't effect moral.

As pointed out in the other thread, you're limited to one of each of the three drone types by the armoury restriction on taking the same item more than once.

Mispost.

I don't know if this counts, but all Marines and Chaos Marines that can take upgrades must be modelled as male Marines, as it states that "The (insert rank) may replace his (insert weapon)", rather than "may replace their (insert weapon)".


Valk

Valkyrie wrote:I don't know if this counts, but all Marines and Chaos Marines that can take upgrades must be modelled as male Marines, as it states that "The (insert rank) may replace his (insert weapon)", rather than "may replace their (insert weapon)".

Considering GW only makes male marines and has anyone actually seen female marines on the table, I don't think this counts as a typo/convoluted grammar situation.

Valkyrie wrote:I don't know if this counts, but all Marines and Chaos Marines that can take upgrades must be modelled as male Marines, as it states that "The (insert rank) may replace his (insert weapon)", rather than "may replace their (insert weapon)".

I'm not sure which English-like language you're speaking, but in the English-like language which I was raised to speak, the gender used for pronouns when the referent is either unknown or a member of a mixed group is male. And I'm not even going to get started on that horrid abomination which is the singular 'their'...

You crazy kids and your ideas of how the language works.

Pika_power wrote:The Rage USR breaks the rulebook, because there is no way to check LOS in the movement phase.

Are you saying you're not allowed to check LOS in the movement phase at all?

I ask because this came up the other day in a game...

Apologies for not reading all 13 pages to see if anyone else said this, but:
- Firstly, awesome thread

Secondly: tyranid spore mines will instantly blow up if deployed in units larger than one. This is because the special rule for them says if they DRIFT into each other they do not detonate but one is removed from play. But when they are deployed they havent yet drifted anywhere, and they are in base - to base contact with impassable terrain (a model not in the same unit is always impassable terrain). this is the detonation condition in the spore mine rules (no phase is mentioned, so the rule applies all the time).

mark.

Spore mines can also run and assault. Try using that in a game

bloog wrote:

Pika_power wrote:The Rage USR breaks the rulebook, because there is no way to check LOS in the movement phase.

Are you saying you're not allowed to check LOS in the movement phase at all?

I ask because this came up the other day in a game...

Don't actually listen to anything that's said in this thread.

UPDATED AGAIN!!

Since nobody wants to sticky this, I may make an Article....

insaniak wrote:

focusedfire wrote:By Raw, any battlesuit with access to the armoury and wargear section can purchase a 100 pts of drones and the drones casualties won't effect moral.

As pointed out in the other thread, you're limited to one of each of the three drone types by the armoury restriction on taking the same item more than once.

Thankyou all for this fantastically complex one. I've added the following as clarification...

A Battlesuit may spend 100pts on wargear, including one of each type of Drone but no drone controller, and still take all it's normal weapon and support options. The Drones do not count as casualties for the purposes of morale, and will not be removed when the suit dies, as the suit does not have a drone controller.

Cheeslord wrote:Apologies for not reading all 13 pages to see if anyone else said this, but:
- Firstly, awesome thread

Secondly: tyranid spore mines will instantly blow up if deployed in units larger than one. This is because the special rule for them says if they DRIFT into each other they do not detonate but one is removed from play. But when they are deployed they havent yet drifted anywhere, and they are in base - to base contact with impassable terrain (a model not in the same unit is always impassable terrain). this is the detonation condition in the spore mine rules (no phase is mentioned, so the rule applies all the time).

mark.

Not sure I understand this one. They only count as impassable terrain if they're in different units. How can you deploy them all at once in one DS circle if they're separate units?

ArbitorIan wrote:Not sure I understand this one. They only count as impassable terrain if they're in different units. How can you deploy them all at once in one DS circle if they're separate units?

The thing is they are separate units that deploy together, since spore clusters deploy together but the mines then act independantly, so as soon as the DS is done they are no longer one unit.

What he said ...

at least they don't insta-give killpoints now (that was epically bad).

Mark.

ArbitorIan wrote:A Battlesuit may spend 100pts on wargear, including one of each type of Drone but no drone controller, and still take all it's normal weapon and support options. The Drones do not count as casualties for the purposes of morale, and will not be removed when the suit dies, as the suit does not have a drone controller.

Not entirely accurate. The drones wouldn't count as casualties if you don't model them, but instead consider them a part of the suit. If they are represented as models, they would be treated like any other model in the unit... the Drone Controller rules are redundant in that situation.

The Space Wolf power Tempest Wrath vs jump infantry.

The power causes all jump infantry models that end their move within the area of effect to have to take a dangerous terrain test.

Jump infantry are effected even if they choose to walk and not use their jump packs. The power doesn't say move as jump infantry, it just says jump infantry.

Funny enough, models like Mephiston that can use a power such as Wings of Sanguin move as jump infantry but are in fact still classified as infantry and as such are immune to the Tempests Wrath effects.

So you got guys walking on the ground but because they have a bulky backpack on they take hits from a psychic blizzard. But you got another guy zooming around with psychic induced flight ignoring the blizzard.

insaniak wrote:

ArbitorIan wrote:A Battlesuit may spend 100pts on wargear, including one of each type of Drone but no drone controller, and still take all it's normal weapon and support options. The Drones do not count as casualties for the purposes of morale, and will not be removed when the suit dies, as the suit does not have a drone controller.

Not entirely accurate. The drones wouldn't count as casualties if you don't model them, but instead consider them a part of the suit. If they are represented as models, they would be treated like any other model in the unit... the Drone Controller rules are redundant in that situation.

Oh god, Tervigon Crisis Suits! GIANT FLYING CLUSTERS OF DRONES!!!

Independent Characters do not get along well with vehicles.
An IC can not end it's movement phase within 2" of unit he dose not intend to join, or can not join. This would include vehicles. This makes it very awkward for a IC to try and embark in a transport, as it must be exactly 2 inches away (unless the vehicle moved closer). When an IC disembarks, it must disembark exactly 2" out. IC's with a vehicle repair ability can not themselves move into base to base contact during the movement phase. They would either have to run during the shooting phase (hoping for a 2+), use the assault phase, or move the vehicle(s) into base contact with it. This makes it very awkward for repairing IC's to fix vehicles.

For all its worth ill point out techpriests arent IC's, even if your post belongs in another thread.